>https://www.forbes.com/sites/conormurray/2023/11/27/wish-is-one-of-disneys-worst-openings-ever-for-an-animated-movie-heres-why/?sh=5e95d29f39ff
What the hell is this article? It just lists off a bunch of facts about this movie and a few critic opinions. It's not even an opinion piece, it's literally just a dry recitation of some quotes with the box-office numbers squezzed in
I wonder if ChatGPT understands what is a successfull or goid article. I mean it doesnt understand it. If an article features a leaked nude pic of Taylor Swift but horrible text the AI thinks that text is good.
>https://www.forbes.com/sites/conormurray/2023/11/27/wish-is-one-of-disneys-worst-openings-ever-for-an-animated-movie-heres-why/?sh=5e95d29f39ff
What the hell is this article? It just lists off a bunch of facts about this movie and a few critic opinions. It's not even an opinion piece, it's literally just a dry recitation of some quotes with the box-office numbers squezzed in
Just look at his descriptor, “Explainers and trends reporter”. That’s either ESL or AI
People do not want humans of any color, they want funny animals such as this.
And if certain people really don't want white people to be the leading character you can always use funny animals which is what use to be the case years ago.
99% of the internet is clickbait with a.i. generated bullshit. I'm surprised it took you so long to notice. Hell, most of the posts on this side are probably bots too. They can't say Black person tongue my anus at least. That's how you know I'm real.
They are using ai to make walkthroughs and guides
I googled something when I was stuck playing baldurs gate and the article read like a chat hot answer and made no sense
>They can't say Black person tongue my anus at least.
Half the bots on this site are right wing organizations and foreign governments trying to foster political division, I promise you, they are fully capable of saying Black folk tongue my anus.
Right wing companies aren't the ones that do the botting, all tech companies and most companies in general are left wing, and the right wing aren't big enough fans of foreigners to hire Chinese spam squads to do the work either.
The art style is bad. I feel like I've already seen this movie and know everything that will happen in it so there's no point watching it. If it had a more unique visual style I might not have that feeling.
Imagine being Disney >spend 93405782382957438 dollars on new tech to make your low-effort 3D look like "Classic Disney" >the effect is so subtle that it only shows up if you're watching the movie in 4K on a well-calibrated screen >the effect is simply GONE if you watch the movie on anything less, leaving behind a 3D movie that looks unfinished >most normalgays are going to watch the movie on their phones and uncalibrated smart TVs with all the wrong settings, probably upscaled 1080P
Also: >intend for the movie to be set in Spain >actual Spaniards themselves are pissed because half the characters don't even look Spanish at all, mostly just look like they're half-black >Disney backs out and makes it a generic who-knows-where fantasy land so they can keep the diverse races as-is >loses any appeal towards Spain like they were planning >now the movie doesn't even have the free advertising from people wanting to see their homeland/culture like what happened with Encanto or whatever it's called >loses some of the journalist "wow, thanks for representing my 1/32 Spanish heritage Disney, I literally cried" appeal too
Also: >had the star as some Tumblr twinkbait that would've gotten literal millions of horny 20-somethings to watch the movie so they'd come up with weird fanart and whatever >Disney then changes the star into a generic Luma for some reason, probably to make marketable plushies or something, I don't even know >the star's new design also means there's no fun animation quirks either
>>the effect is so subtle that it only shows up if you're watching the movie in 4K on a well-calibrated screen >>the effect is simply GONE if you watch the movie on anything less, leaving behind a 3D movie that looks unfinished
Does this even exist? Sincere question.
I don't understand this question or why you're asking if it exists.
"A subtle screen shader loses its effect when watched on a subpar screen" isn't a questionable statement, it's common sense.
5 months ago
Anonymous
Normally it is the other way around, no screen cap of this movie looks good or like classic Disney
>"Classic Disney" >the effect is so subtle that it only shows up if you're watching the movie in 4K on a well-calibrated screen
If this was indeed their goal, then they've failed miserably at it. I can watch Cinderella on a 50 year old standard definition tv and still see the linework, so this doesn't make sense. There are video games that pull off the 2D look in real time. This very studio released a short called Paperman 11 years ago.
Is this one of those situations in tech where the the guy getting laid off takes all of his code fixes with him so that all the software breaks, and refuses his severance to avoid training the person replacing him? It sure feels like the animators at Disney, at least the ones in decision-making positions, don't know what they're doing. The brain drain is real.
Do Disney fans even still exist?
I feel like them dragging their IPs through the mud with all the shitty remakes, reboots, and sequels has kind of eroded a lot of their fanbase.
Unfortunately, yes. Their voices are drowned out right now, but they're there. They're always there, just waiting to tell you all about how [insert movie here] is actually a secret masterpiece and you just don't get it.
Absolutely, it's just that somehow none of the ones I've met seem to care about 90% of the new stuff Disney releases, yet they still consider themselves and behave like cultish fanboys/girls
yeah but now they keep talking about hte "Idea" of disney instead of their actual individual prodution. How global brands like Star Wars or Marvel are important, and how you should support the People to thank them from the dream they sell.
It's kinda like being a Sony fanboy right now
yeah they're on social media STILL trying to throw shade at white dudes for not like the new star wars trilogy when we all know said white dudes would have been fine with finn being the next han solo, but disney threw him out like a scrap and dropped him
It’s my worst fear to join the animation industry as an artist and work on something for upwards of 3-4 years only for it to end up like this. Gotta feel for those guys
Childless millennials are not watching this either. It just feels stale, mid, and like not a single new or interesting idea was in this movie from the looks of it and its trailers. Sometimes the reason a movie does badly it's because it's not a very good movie.
Women gave it significantly worse audience scores than men, so clearly not. Wish is targeted exclusively at Disney execs who see marketable plushies and multiverse cross-marketing """opportunities""" and get an orgasm.
All they needed was to introduce that fricking twink Star character and/or young Prince Magnifico and they'd have all the women lined up. Fujos would've had a ball with Prince Magnifico x TwinkStar too
It would also have given the movie the emotional core and focus it so direly lacks. You have to be an extremely good writer to sell the audience a story without a cental relationship (romantic or otherwise), and the Wish creators are not that.
As if a wireless scrote on Cinemaphile would know what women are consuming, period. It’s made to subvert everything that came before it. It’s not really for black women, millennials, white women, zoomers, gen alpha, or anyone else. It’s just trying to make a diversity hire MCU.
That must hurt. So this means Disney won't make CGI movies anymore? maybe they'll start making Stopmotion, but I read somewhere we are running out of stopmotion clay.
The elephant in the room is audiences are sick as frick of diversity because it is always associated with really lame and boring products.
This is on top of millions of conservative americans refusing to spend money or let their kids see anything Disney because they basically view it as a arm of the Democratic party.
Remember, most people aren't seeing Wish because of the movies that PROCEEDED it. You can sell a turd, once, but good luck getting them to buy a ticket to your next movie.
Diverse movies still have been able to be received well. If you actually look at the consistent traits of these poorly received movies it pretty much all has to do with the movie looking boring/like shit. You can also tell this is the case because even lefties are shitting on the film.
They didn't even use diversity correctly. It's set in Moorish Spain or some shit, but it isn't based on anything from that culture or their stories, even loosely. It just feels like Los Angeles or San Francisco at the end of the day.
>The elephant in the room is audiences are sick as frick of diversity
The elephant in the room is Bob Iger using The Walt Disney Company as platform to run for the Democrats in 2028, the guy will be fricking 76yo then.
Diversity isn't the problem. Forced diversity is. Every friend group now needs a token black kid, a token indian kid, a token asian kid, a token fat kid, and a token girl. Soon there'll be a token troony too.
The ironic thing is even to this day friend groups in schools, whether they be elementary, high, or college, rarely ever look like the forced diversity groups these suits try to force into fiction.
>The ironic thing is even to this day friend groups in schools, whether they be elementary, high, or college, rarely ever look like the forced diversity groups these suits try to force into fiction.
This is fairly true, but the friend group consisting of diverse tokens has been a thing for ages, long before Disney movies started sucking. I can't see how its the problem when it wasn't a problem in the past when they did the same thing. I think the actual problem is the diversity is just a crutch to prop up something that's lacking in substance on its own. There is very little in wish to draw potential audience in, all the characters seem bland, the story isn't interesting or original, none of the music is that good, and since the only remarkable aspect of the movie is that it has diversity that's what certain people hyperfocus on.
I don't think it's a problem to portray "diverse" friend groups especially in children's media so they have good references that people from all backgrounds and lifepaths are ultimately all human etc
The problem is when you create a character who's only trait is being a minority. That does suck ass and feels infuriating.
Well but that's part if the problem, really. It's the same reason you can't get truly evil or dumb female characters. Even though it's actually pretty sexist/xenophobic to hold women/poc to high expectations of performance, because in a way you dehumanise them, you dont allow them to be seen a fully human rounded characters with flaws. All because they are afraid of being called bigots if they do it badly lmao. These producers and directors are spineless and they are not good enough writers to pull off well written dumb or evil characters so that they don't seem like a charicature of sexist or racist stereotypes.
Feminists and other "woke" people have been complaining about this since forever. I personally have been saying I want to see a dumbass fricking woman on TV, not adorkable, not quirky, not clumsy. I want female characters to be allowed to be stupid. I want Mabel Pines!!!
The second video was from Famous Studios (Paramount).
And Warner Bros was a good thing.
5 months ago
Anonymous
No, I fricking hate Looney Tunes. It's the Family Guy of that era. Only bad, blackhearted people liked that shit. Except Road Runner, that was good fun.
Its not so much "diversity and politics" when its more about being toothless and stagnant with their content. I also find tough to believe that diversity begets blandness as a whole. Doesn't matter if you're black or blue, a movie will do shit and be shit if its just an advertisement or has nothing to say
Just because you're racist and dislike diversity does not mean that general audiences agree with you. "Woke" movies this year like Barbie made billions, perhaps the movies Disney is putting out are just written poorly with boring concepts.
I won't lie, this entire discourse about awakening cinema has made me... Intrigued regarding the notion that we have been denied good female characters all this time. But if Barbie is their idea of a fully realized female character than I am thoroughly unimpressed. Hopefully it is as you say, that the writing just hasn't been up to par yet, and we're in a weird transitory period or something.
Imo Barbie is a good character for what the movie is: a comedy. She is a good lead because she does what the genre requires. The shit writing comes in when people think that a well written woman = "strong and independent" or whatever the frick. Arcane is typically praised as having a really well written female cast, and it's not because they are all super strong and never wrong and always independent or anything. They make bad decisions, they have to deal with the consequences of their actions, some are weak and some are strong, etc. They are well written because they have complexity and flaws, which makes them realistic and human for what the genre demands (which is not comedy at all). Also they are not sidelined.
So those are examples of well written women, even though they are all very different. it's not about writing a cool, independent blah blah woman like marvel does, its about writing characters with humanity.
Barbie is a movie about two blonde, aryan looking white characters that are straight. I wouldn't use that as a good example of a "woke" movie nor is that a win. The side cast just exists to pump those two up and is the baggage that weighs the movie down. The plastic feminism message is just capitalistic. It's neither a win for the left or right, when you think of it.
I have a hard time even thinking of Barbie as a feminist movie, because one of the main themes is in contrasting the reality of the world with the fantasy world of Barbie. People seem to forget that Ken is a doll in a toyline made for girls, so he doesn't and shouldn't matter.
Barbieland has doctors, but no one gets injured. Barbieland has a president, but no elections. To become a real woman, Barbie had to leave all of that behind. Did this fly over everyone's heads?
>Barbie is a movie about two blonde, aryan looking white characters that are straight. I wouldn't use that as a good example of a "woke" movie nor is that a win.
The thing about woke content is that what qualifies as woke or not is pretty arbitrary. I've seen people argue that Beauty & the Beast is a metaphor for interracial couples. They use it as a way to mentally disown media while shaming others for consuming it.
Bruh when I watched Boy and the Heron I had such a nostalgic feeling at firstthat I couldn't point out until I turned to my friend and was like "dude, I think it's been actually maybe almost 20 years since I watched a 2D movie in a movie theater". She also said she was shocked when she remembered that outside some random anime movie it was the case for her too. Reject modernity for real.
Also.
Make actual good movies smfh
I can't tell you what a breath of fresh air the fricking Miraculous Ladybug movie turned out to be. Good music, actual romance, decent villain... the story could have used more time in the oven, but other than that, it was a good time. Certainly better than Wish ended up as.
The music stank though, the only good song was just adapting the theme song from the tv show and they made terrible choices about changing the English language vocal performers for the songs. It's also extremely ~~diverse~~ with a Chinese main character, darkie best friend, darkie best friend for the romantic lead and powers granted by wise Chinese man
That breath of fresh air was you huffing your own farts
It’s a combination of several factors. >Disney has forgotten how to write a great movie >People aren’t impressed with CG animation anymore, oversaturated/old hat >The normie association of 3D with higher quality has declined because Pixar has declined >DEI has pushed more people away than it brought in
Disney needs to try something bold and good, without feeling DEI to win back the audience and start a new era for themselves. I think a 2D movie could do that, or if they can pull a classic Pixar movie out of their ass (Brad Bird?) they need to stop with the live action remake slop it is destroying their brand. I have no loyalty to the company but I do want to see good movies, that would be my advice
It's simple, start doing Mickey Mouse content again and drop the Marvel and Star Wars shit.
Thats it, no LGBTQ+ garbage, no POC, NO HUMANS!, just straight cis-gendered funny animals doing funny things.
Because it feels like the kids movie that's taking place in a real movie. Like I can imagine this in advertisements and movie screens for a chase movie between a disgruntled cop and an ex mafia hitman.
Too lazy to check, but I assume the "here's why" consists of at least half of: >meaningless shit that's probably barely related >whining about the right wing again >something about how pushing boundaries is something that takes time to build and flourish >at least one link to somewhere you can buy tickets >blaming various -isms and -ists >blaming Twitter, or Musk specifically, for not being as hospitable to ESG/DEI companies and their advertising >an off-handed comment about COVID lockdowns and how people are "super afraid to go out these days" >coping by stating the numbers will be WAY higher on Disney+ (which they then drop an affiliate link for)
Or...: >it's one of those really annoying SEO-bait pieces you see all over the internet >like fifty random questions people might ask, listed in a row >most of the questions are awful, or there is no answer yet so the "answer" is just a drawn-out, wordy "no" >every question is answered vaguely and is worded weirdly, often literal reposts / quotes from other sites, or just outright wrong (they might also be AI nowadays)
Not true. Jasmine and Mulan were extremely popular and common princess favourites for girls when I was a child. Girls want girl characters who look good, are interesting, and perform in a good movie.
Jasmine was only popular because she was Disney Renaissance, not because white girls accept brown girls. She’s also not the lead of her movie. Mulan was not popular anymore than Pocahontas was popular among white women.
Jasmine and Mulan were both popular and loved by little girls. I'm sorry that reality doesn't reflect what you personally want reality to be, but the fact is that little white girls like princesses who arent white as long as they look nice and have a place in a good movie. End of.
I am white and know what I grew up around, so frick off. I am not saying a white girl never bought a Mulan or Jasmine toy, but they are secondary to characters like Aurora, Belle, and Cinderella and always have been. I have statistics to prove it too and it's not hard to find. Jasmine is exotic, Mulan had pretty music and is exotic too. They were not popular among white women like you're pretending they are but more like passing fancies. They still don't stack up in sales compared to white princesses. Don't even get me started on Tiana.
I am white too and that doesn't match my experiences at all lmao. Jasmine was one of the most popular princesses because she was pretty and had cool clothing (her clothes were close to what was fashionable in the early 2000s). Girls at my school fought over who got to be her when playing pretend, they dressed up as her for playing/dress up parties, they played with her toys, etc.
The art style is bad. I feel like I've already seen this movie and know everything that will happen in it so there's no point watching it. If it had a more unique visual style I might not have that feeling.
Barbie has a god-tier marketing campaign, geared itself towards female audiences perfectly, an adaption of a large IP that never got one and stared two straight whites
The movie addressed topics of feminism explicitly and directly and also the supporting cast was filled to the brim with non-white actors, LGBT actors, and it portrayed a very non-conventional masculinity. By Cinemaphile standards it was mega woke, and yet it did really well and people loved it. Because it was a genuinely fun movie.
Pretending movies do well because they have white and heterosexual characters is the same as when annoying people cry that their shit movie does badly because "people are racist and don't want to see it because it has a lead of color wah wah"
No b***h. People are not watching your movie because it sucks.
It's the same the other way around. People watch movies when they are good. End of.
I hate to tell you this, but people just wanted to see the stupid Barbie movie because it was bubblegum and nostalgic. That's it. It marketed itself as a comedy. People put up with the contents to see Barbie and Ken on the big screen.
You really are overthinking things if you thought of that as win. At the end of the day, it's true two straight blonde whites on the screen is what people were there for, not the diversity hire casting, shitty Nicki Minaj and Iced Spice rap song, and that god awful troon character. If all that were removed, it would've done way better. End of.
Nostalgia can't make a full movie. We see that every time with these sequels and love action remakes: they do bad because they are bad and soulless. Barbie did well because beyond the nostalgia appeal it also was a fun movie. People had fun with it. It's very simple: good movies do well, and bad movies do badly.
Oh I definitely have my complaints about the movie, I don't think it's that great for a variety of reasons. But yeah, my point is only that it is for the most part a simple fun movie that looks great and has fun music, and that's it. And that's why it was successful, not because of some weird conspiracy theory about how white or woke a movie has to be to do well, yknow.
>here’s why
no homie here’s why, it looks like shit and sounded boring from what I listened to from the sound recording leak on this board
>https://www.forbes.com/sites/conormurray/2023/11/27/wish-is-one-of-disneys-worst-openings-ever-for-an-animated-movie-heres-why/?sh=5e95d29f39ff
What the hell is this article? It just lists off a bunch of facts about this movie and a few critic opinions. It's not even an opinion piece, it's literally just a dry recitation of some quotes with the box-office numbers squezzed in
It's probably AI generated.
ChatGPT was a mistake
I wonder if ChatGPT understands what is a successfull or goid article. I mean it doesnt understand it. If an article features a leaked nude pic of Taylor Swift but horrible text the AI thinks that text is good.
Much like Wish lmao
Aish
Starring Aisha
Just look at his descriptor, “Explainers and trends reporter”. That’s either ESL or AI
People do not want humans of any color, they want funny animals such as this.
And if certain people really don't want white people to be the leading character you can always use funny animals which is what use to be the case years ago.
They saif the movie will not use A.I.
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99% of the internet is clickbait with a.i. generated bullshit. I'm surprised it took you so long to notice. Hell, most of the posts on this side are probably bots too. They can't say Black person tongue my anus at least. That's how you know I'm real.
They are using ai to make walkthroughs and guides
I googled something when I was stuck playing baldurs gate and the article read like a chat hot answer and made no sense
>Nugget tongue in my anus
Whats so hard about it?
>They can't say Black person tongue my anus at least.
Half the bots on this site are right wing organizations and foreign governments trying to foster political division, I promise you, they are fully capable of saying Black folk tongue my anus.
Right wing companies aren't the ones that do the botting, all tech companies and most companies in general are left wing, and the right wing aren't big enough fans of foreigners to hire Chinese spam squads to do the work either.
Imagine being Disney
>spend 93405782382957438 dollars on new tech to make your low-effort 3D look like "Classic Disney"
>the effect is so subtle that it only shows up if you're watching the movie in 4K on a well-calibrated screen
>the effect is simply GONE if you watch the movie on anything less, leaving behind a 3D movie that looks unfinished
>most normalgays are going to watch the movie on their phones and uncalibrated smart TVs with all the wrong settings, probably upscaled 1080P
Also:
>intend for the movie to be set in Spain
>actual Spaniards themselves are pissed because half the characters don't even look Spanish at all, mostly just look like they're half-black
>Disney backs out and makes it a generic who-knows-where fantasy land so they can keep the diverse races as-is
>loses any appeal towards Spain like they were planning
>now the movie doesn't even have the free advertising from people wanting to see their homeland/culture like what happened with Encanto or whatever it's called
>loses some of the journalist "wow, thanks for representing my 1/32 Spanish heritage Disney, I literally cried" appeal too
Also:
>had the star as some Tumblr twinkbait that would've gotten literal millions of horny 20-somethings to watch the movie so they'd come up with weird fanart and whatever
>Disney then changes the star into a generic Luma for some reason, probably to make marketable plushies or something, I don't even know
>the star's new design also means there's no fun animation quirks either
>>the effect is so subtle that it only shows up if you're watching the movie in 4K on a well-calibrated screen
>>the effect is simply GONE if you watch the movie on anything less, leaving behind a 3D movie that looks unfinished
Does this even exist? Sincere question.
I don't understand this question or why you're asking if it exists.
"A subtle screen shader loses its effect when watched on a subpar screen" isn't a questionable statement, it's common sense.
Normally it is the other way around, no screen cap of this movie looks good or like classic Disney
>"Classic Disney"
>the effect is so subtle that it only shows up if you're watching the movie in 4K on a well-calibrated screen
If this was indeed their goal, then they've failed miserably at it. I can watch Cinderella on a 50 year old standard definition tv and still see the linework, so this doesn't make sense. There are video games that pull off the 2D look in real time. This very studio released a short called Paperman 11 years ago.
Is this one of those situations in tech where the the guy getting laid off takes all of his code fixes with him so that all the software breaks, and refuses his severance to avoid training the person replacing him? It sure feels like the animators at Disney, at least the ones in decision-making positions, don't know what they're doing. The brain drain is real.
Yes, the shading is really uneven
>www.forbes.com/sites/
It's a blog. Forbes has had them for over a decade now. Probably AI content.
I CLICKED AND I RAGED AND I SCROLLED TO COMPLAIN BUT THERE WAS NO COMMENT SECTION
Guess they weren't careful enough?
Do Disney fans even still exist?
I feel like them dragging their IPs through the mud with all the shitty remakes, reboots, and sequels has kind of eroded a lot of their fanbase.
Unfortunately, yes. Their voices are drowned out right now, but they're there. They're always there, just waiting to tell you all about how [insert movie here] is actually a secret masterpiece and you just don't get it.
Absolutely, it's just that somehow none of the ones I've met seem to care about 90% of the new stuff Disney releases, yet they still consider themselves and behave like cultish fanboys/girls
yeah but now they keep talking about hte "Idea" of disney instead of their actual individual prodution. How global brands like Star Wars or Marvel are important, and how you should support the People to thank them from the dream they sell.
It's kinda like being a Sony fanboy right now
It's cultish behavior
Depends what you mean by “Disney fans”
I like the first approx 80 years of their content and not much after
yeah they're on social media STILL trying to throw shade at white dudes for not like the new star wars trilogy when we all know said white dudes would have been fine with finn being the next han solo, but disney threw him out like a scrap and dropped him
I doubt it.
>doubt it
doesn't even matter which part you doubt, both are true
It’s my worst fear to join the animation industry as an artist and work on something for upwards of 3-4 years only for it to end up like this. Gotta feel for those guys
homie they’re still working for the biggest animation company in the world. the movie stinks but they’ll be fine.
They got paid you massive homosexual.
>Asha-san when she sees my HWD.
Why did they think a picture of Asha grimacing in cringe would sell their 100th anniversary movie?
the kids these days love their cringe humor
They evidently don't, or the poster would have worked. This looks targeted at childless millennial women to me.
Childless millennials are not watching this either. It just feels stale, mid, and like not a single new or interesting idea was in this movie from the looks of it and its trailers. Sometimes the reason a movie does badly it's because it's not a very good movie.
Women gave it significantly worse audience scores than men, so clearly not. Wish is targeted exclusively at Disney execs who see marketable plushies and multiverse cross-marketing """opportunities""" and get an orgasm.
All they needed was to introduce that fricking twink Star character and/or young Prince Magnifico and they'd have all the women lined up. Fujos would've had a ball with Prince Magnifico x TwinkStar too
It would also have given the movie the emotional core and focus it so direly lacks. You have to be an extremely good writer to sell the audience a story without a cental relationship (romantic or otherwise), and the Wish creators are not that.
As if a wireless scrote on Cinemaphile would know what women are consuming, period. It’s made to subvert everything that came before it. It’s not really for black women, millennials, white women, zoomers, gen alpha, or anyone else. It’s just trying to make a diversity hire MCU.
Even Home on the Range made more money than Wish.
Adjusting for inflation Home on the Range made about $236 million in today's money
That must hurt. So this means Disney won't make CGI movies anymore? maybe they'll start making Stopmotion, but I read somewhere we are running out of stopmotion clay.
The elephant in the room is audiences are sick as frick of diversity because it is always associated with really lame and boring products.
This is on top of millions of conservative americans refusing to spend money or let their kids see anything Disney because they basically view it as a arm of the Democratic party.
Remember, most people aren't seeing Wish because of the movies that PROCEEDED it. You can sell a turd, once, but good luck getting them to buy a ticket to your next movie.
Diverse movies still have been able to be received well. If you actually look at the consistent traits of these poorly received movies it pretty much all has to do with the movie looking boring/like shit. You can also tell this is the case because even lefties are shitting on the film.
>Diverse movies still have been able to be received well.
Can you name a not diverse film that came out this year?
NTA, but Oppenheimer. Pretty much all straight white dudes.
>inb4 half of the characters are israeli, so it doesn't count
Jews aren’t white, so it doesn’t count. It was well received because it did drama good,
They didn't even use diversity correctly. It's set in Moorish Spain or some shit, but it isn't based on anything from that culture or their stories, even loosely. It just feels like Los Angeles or San Francisco at the end of the day.
>It's set in Moorish Spain or some shit,
No, it's set on a Mediterranean island very loosely inspired by Moorish Spain.
>The elephant in the room is audiences are sick as frick of diversity
The elephant in the room is Bob Iger using The Walt Disney Company as platform to run for the Democrats in 2028, the guy will be fricking 76yo then.
Diversity isn't the problem. Forced diversity is. Every friend group now needs a token black kid, a token indian kid, a token asian kid, a token fat kid, and a token girl. Soon there'll be a token troony too.
The ironic thing is even to this day friend groups in schools, whether they be elementary, high, or college, rarely ever look like the forced diversity groups these suits try to force into fiction.
>The ironic thing is even to this day friend groups in schools, whether they be elementary, high, or college, rarely ever look like the forced diversity groups these suits try to force into fiction.
This is fairly true, but the friend group consisting of diverse tokens has been a thing for ages, long before Disney movies started sucking. I can't see how its the problem when it wasn't a problem in the past when they did the same thing. I think the actual problem is the diversity is just a crutch to prop up something that's lacking in substance on its own. There is very little in wish to draw potential audience in, all the characters seem bland, the story isn't interesting or original, none of the music is that good, and since the only remarkable aspect of the movie is that it has diversity that's what certain people hyperfocus on.
I don't think it's a problem to portray "diverse" friend groups especially in children's media so they have good references that people from all backgrounds and lifepaths are ultimately all human etc
The problem is when you create a character who's only trait is being a minority. That does suck ass and feels infuriating.
You can't have a black character that is either poor, dumb, or violent. You can't take Homer Simpson and make him black without being called racist.
Well but that's part if the problem, really. It's the same reason you can't get truly evil or dumb female characters. Even though it's actually pretty sexist/xenophobic to hold women/poc to high expectations of performance, because in a way you dehumanise them, you dont allow them to be seen a fully human rounded characters with flaws. All because they are afraid of being called bigots if they do it badly lmao. These producers and directors are spineless and they are not good enough writers to pull off well written dumb or evil characters so that they don't seem like a charicature of sexist or racist stereotypes.
Feminists and other "woke" people have been complaining about this since forever. I personally have been saying I want to see a dumbass fricking woman on TV, not adorkable, not quirky, not clumsy. I want female characters to be allowed to be stupid. I want Mabel Pines!!!
They been doing this since the 1990s.
They've been doing it for almost a century.
Dude, before the 1990s funny animals were used if they wanted non-white humans as this was what people of color were used as in cartoons before then.
Not everyone was Warner Bros. Thank god.
The second video was from Famous Studios (Paramount).
And Warner Bros was a good thing.
No, I fricking hate Looney Tunes. It's the Family Guy of that era. Only bad, blackhearted people liked that shit. Except Road Runner, that was good fun.
Its not so much "diversity and politics" when its more about being toothless and stagnant with their content. I also find tough to believe that diversity begets blandness as a whole. Doesn't matter if you're black or blue, a movie will do shit and be shit if its just an advertisement or has nothing to say
Just because you're racist and dislike diversity does not mean that general audiences agree with you. "Woke" movies this year like Barbie made billions, perhaps the movies Disney is putting out are just written poorly with boring concepts.
I won't lie, this entire discourse about awakening cinema has made me... Intrigued regarding the notion that we have been denied good female characters all this time. But if Barbie is their idea of a fully realized female character than I am thoroughly unimpressed. Hopefully it is as you say, that the writing just hasn't been up to par yet, and we're in a weird transitory period or something.
Imo Barbie is a good character for what the movie is: a comedy. She is a good lead because she does what the genre requires. The shit writing comes in when people think that a well written woman = "strong and independent" or whatever the frick. Arcane is typically praised as having a really well written female cast, and it's not because they are all super strong and never wrong and always independent or anything. They make bad decisions, they have to deal with the consequences of their actions, some are weak and some are strong, etc. They are well written because they have complexity and flaws, which makes them realistic and human for what the genre demands (which is not comedy at all). Also they are not sidelined.
So those are examples of well written women, even though they are all very different. it's not about writing a cool, independent blah blah woman like marvel does, its about writing characters with humanity.
Barbie is a movie about two blonde, aryan looking white characters that are straight. I wouldn't use that as a good example of a "woke" movie nor is that a win. The side cast just exists to pump those two up and is the baggage that weighs the movie down. The plastic feminism message is just capitalistic. It's neither a win for the left or right, when you think of it.
It was a terrible fricking movie so it is a win in that sense. Maybe if it had awoken something it wouldn't have been so bad.
I have a hard time even thinking of Barbie as a feminist movie, because one of the main themes is in contrasting the reality of the world with the fantasy world of Barbie. People seem to forget that Ken is a doll in a toyline made for girls, so he doesn't and shouldn't matter.
Barbieland has doctors, but no one gets injured. Barbieland has a president, but no elections. To become a real woman, Barbie had to leave all of that behind. Did this fly over everyone's heads?
It really feels like a movie from ten years ago.
I had thought the western reverse isekai thing was played out with the Smurfs movies.
>Barbie is a movie about two blonde, aryan looking white characters that are straight. I wouldn't use that as a good example of a "woke" movie nor is that a win.
The thing about woke content is that what qualifies as woke or not is pretty arbitrary. I've seen people argue that Beauty & the Beast is a metaphor for interracial couples. They use it as a way to mentally disown media while shaming others for consuming it.
The definition of "woke" has really turned into "Something that someone on the right side of the political spectrum personally disagrees with"
Time to bring back 2D :*~~))
Bruh when I watched Boy and the Heron I had such a nostalgic feeling at firstthat I couldn't point out until I turned to my friend and was like "dude, I think it's been actually maybe almost 20 years since I watched a 2D movie in a movie theater". She also said she was shocked when she remembered that outside some random anime movie it was the case for her too. Reject modernity for real.
Also.
Make actual good movies smfh
BAD LUCK FIST FRICK
Needed romance
I can't tell you what a breath of fresh air the fricking Miraculous Ladybug movie turned out to be. Good music, actual romance, decent villain... the story could have used more time in the oven, but other than that, it was a good time. Certainly better than Wish ended up as.
careless whisper caught me so fricking off guard but like in a good way i think
>Carelss Whisper in Miraculous Ladybug
What
The music stank though, the only good song was just adapting the theme song from the tv show and they made terrible choices about changing the English language vocal performers for the songs. It's also extremely ~~diverse~~ with a Chinese main character, darkie best friend, darkie best friend for the romantic lead and powers granted by wise Chinese man
That breath of fresh air was you huffing your own farts
It's actually pretty accurate to Paris irl aside from the lack of african extras in the background.
What lol? I think they had that covered
First shot with extras I could find was this
Still not enough
>the fricking Miraculous Ladybug movie
The lesser known adult movie?
It’s a combination of several factors.
>Disney has forgotten how to write a great movie
>People aren’t impressed with CG animation anymore, oversaturated/old hat
>The normie association of 3D with higher quality has declined because Pixar has declined
>DEI has pushed more people away than it brought in
Disney needs to try something bold and good, without feeling DEI to win back the audience and start a new era for themselves. I think a 2D movie could do that, or if they can pull a classic Pixar movie out of their ass (Brad Bird?) they need to stop with the live action remake slop it is destroying their brand. I have no loyalty to the company but I do want to see good movies, that would be my advice
>Brad Bird?
He left Dinsey to work at Skydance and is currently working on a film there
It's simple, start doing Mickey Mouse content again and drop the Marvel and Star Wars shit.
Thats it, no LGBTQ+ garbage, no POC, NO HUMANS!, just straight cis-gendered funny animals doing funny things.
Seriously, what the frick is that expression supposed to convey? I get that I'm supposed to think she's quirky, but aside from that?
>IS THAT A HECKING MINION I NEED TO SEE THE HECKING MINION TAKE MY MONEY
Is what they were hoping for.
>here's why
I don't really need some mouthbreather explanation for this, the promo is enough
Is it me or they didn't even care to promote this movie to begin with? I swear they pushed the aniversary short more than this.
Test audiences probably told them it was fricked. Even their sycophants are twitter don’t like it.
They spent $100 million+ marketing it
He might be the founder of Zootopia but Valentino was not sexy enough to attract furries.
Release Zootopia 2 already. Boom, 2 billion gross worldwide.
Warms my heart.
Because it feels like the kids movie that's taking place in a real movie. Like I can imagine this in advertisements and movie screens for a chase movie between a disgruntled cop and an ex mafia hitman.
Chudbros do you feel the power?
Yes... the wokeness finally broke them, as planned.
Do you feel it in the air too?
Too lazy to check, but I assume the "here's why" consists of at least half of:
>meaningless shit that's probably barely related
>whining about the right wing again
>something about how pushing boundaries is something that takes time to build and flourish
>at least one link to somewhere you can buy tickets
>blaming various -isms and -ists
>blaming Twitter, or Musk specifically, for not being as hospitable to ESG/DEI companies and their advertising
>an off-handed comment about COVID lockdowns and how people are "super afraid to go out these days"
>coping by stating the numbers will be WAY higher on Disney+ (which they then drop an affiliate link for)
Or...:
>it's one of those really annoying SEO-bait pieces you see all over the internet
>like fifty random questions people might ask, listed in a row
>most of the questions are awful, or there is no answer yet so the "answer" is just a drawn-out, wordy "no"
>every question is answered vaguely and is worded weirdly, often literal reposts / quotes from other sites, or just outright wrong (they might also be AI nowadays)
all these dumb fricking movies are destined to fail because they are ALL THE EXACT SAME MOVIE
Little girls and their sub urb moms like white princesses.
Not true. Jasmine and Mulan were extremely popular and common princess favourites for girls when I was a child. Girls want girl characters who look good, are interesting, and perform in a good movie.
Jasmine was only popular because she was Disney Renaissance, not because white girls accept brown girls. She’s also not the lead of her movie. Mulan was not popular anymore than Pocahontas was popular among white women.
Jasmine and Mulan were both popular and loved by little girls. I'm sorry that reality doesn't reflect what you personally want reality to be, but the fact is that little white girls like princesses who arent white as long as they look nice and have a place in a good movie. End of.
I am white and know what I grew up around, so frick off. I am not saying a white girl never bought a Mulan or Jasmine toy, but they are secondary to characters like Aurora, Belle, and Cinderella and always have been. I have statistics to prove it too and it's not hard to find. Jasmine is exotic, Mulan had pretty music and is exotic too. They were not popular among white women like you're pretending they are but more like passing fancies. They still don't stack up in sales compared to white princesses. Don't even get me started on Tiana.
I am white too and that doesn't match my experiences at all lmao. Jasmine was one of the most popular princesses because she was pretty and had cool clothing (her clothes were close to what was fashionable in the early 2000s). Girls at my school fought over who got to be her when playing pretend, they dressed up as her for playing/dress up parties, they played with her toys, etc.
Jasmine is exotic
The art style is bad. I feel like I've already seen this movie and know everything that will happen in it so there's no point watching it. If it had a more unique visual style I might not have that feeling.
>it failed because of wokeness
>please ignore the feminist film that made a billion dollars
Barbie has a god-tier marketing campaign, geared itself towards female audiences perfectly, an adaption of a large IP that never got one and stared two straight whites
The movie addressed topics of feminism explicitly and directly and also the supporting cast was filled to the brim with non-white actors, LGBT actors, and it portrayed a very non-conventional masculinity. By Cinemaphile standards it was mega woke, and yet it did really well and people loved it. Because it was a genuinely fun movie.
Pretending movies do well because they have white and heterosexual characters is the same as when annoying people cry that their shit movie does badly because "people are racist and don't want to see it because it has a lead of color wah wah"
No b***h. People are not watching your movie because it sucks.
It's the same the other way around. People watch movies when they are good. End of.
I hate to tell you this, but people just wanted to see the stupid Barbie movie because it was bubblegum and nostalgic. That's it. It marketed itself as a comedy. People put up with the contents to see Barbie and Ken on the big screen.
You really are overthinking things if you thought of that as win. At the end of the day, it's true two straight blonde whites on the screen is what people were there for, not the diversity hire casting, shitty Nicki Minaj and Iced Spice rap song, and that god awful troon character. If all that were removed, it would've done way better. End of.
Nostalgia can't make a full movie. We see that every time with these sequels and love action remakes: they do bad because they are bad and soulless. Barbie did well because beyond the nostalgia appeal it also was a fun movie. People had fun with it. It's very simple: good movies do well, and bad movies do badly.
>Nostalgia can't make a full movie.
What are Infinity War and Endgame.
>shitty Nicki Minaj and Iced Spice rap song
Bimbos love that shit
The one thing that made me cringe in the movie was when a 12 year old called Barbie a fascist, like what the hell.
Well she eventually became Barbie's friend.
Oh I definitely have my complaints about the movie, I don't think it's that great for a variety of reasons. But yeah, my point is only that it is for the most part a simple fun movie that looks great and has fun music, and that's it. And that's why it was successful, not because of some weird conspiracy theory about how white or woke a movie has to be to do well, yknow.
Chuds need every scrap of victory they can take after losing the culture war
There sure are a lot of people desperate to share their opinions on this movie which apparently nobody saw. Curious.