nobody wants to admit that shows like the sopranos or mad men did this exact same concept but far better
nobody wants to admit that shows like the sopranos or mad men did this exact same concept but far better
nobody wants to admit that shows like the sopranos or mad men did this exact same concept but far better
i think BoJack captures the 10s zeitgeist extremely well, and that's my favorite part about it
it's like one or two seasons too long tho
>it's like one or two seasons too long tho
Just get rid of Season 2 and it'd be fine.
What do you mean? It ended on a high note:
I seriously dropped the series after S2. Nothing else that came after seemed worth it anymore.
There were some great episodes after that. Among the best was 6x10 or maybe 11. I'm p. sure this is the only show so far that so damningly tells the audience that sometimes our past traumas don't mean anything and you're wrong to fetishize it.
There's nothing holier than thou about this show.
>There's nothing holier than thou about this show.
It’s a mediocre comedy. If you feel talked down to by an animated comedy about a talking horse idk what to tell you. Seems like an insecurity thing.
>ridicule something
>it's cause you're insecure!
You’re not ridiculing, you’re saying it’s pretentious which is the most brainlet criticism possible when it concerns a cartoon about a horse
Yes, it's pretentious and imagine some show about an alcoholic failing actor horse has some deep meaning and social analysis. It's the same as seeing fricking Rick & Morty "smart".
>it's pretentious
In what regard? When does the show pretend it's more important than it is, or whatever definition you have for pretentious today?
There's no other definition for pretentious, it's not like it's changed meaning.
Great we're on the same page then. When does the show pretend it's more important than it is?
You think pretentiousness means importance? Damn my guy, no wonder you like this show so much.
1. attempting to impress by affecting greater importance or merit than is actually possessed
Example: pretentious art films
I really don't care, you still like Bojack Horseman and have been talking down to everyone in this thread that's ripping on you for liking it and putting it on a bullshit pedestal.
First you try to get me in a gotcha and now you say you don't really care? Embarrassing. If you're posting in bad faith, you don't need to reply anymore. All I've been doing is asking questions and nobody's responded with anything worth discussing. It's a shame because now, more than ever, is the time to convince somebody that Bojack is bad, or pretentious, or whatever negative adjective, and you're all failing miserably at it.
Pretentious is the most brainlet criticism for anything. When I see somebody use it unironically to attempt serious criticism, I just discard the opinion and move on.
>Pretentious is the most brainlet criticism for anything.
No it's not, you just can't take people shitting on the show.
I said serious criticism, not "shitting on the show". Pretentious is the most gratuitious, lazy and ultimately subjectively abstract word you can come up to attempt serious criticism.
There are thousands of better word you can use to articulate your opinions, but you decided to use pretentious. Embarrassing.
Aw, look at you trying to be smart.
Not an argument.
Frick your argument. Your show sucks.
bojack horseman is a case where "pretentious" is completely valid criticism. every single aspect of the show is over-explained by the writers, because they're convinced the viewer won't understand what's happening unless everything is over-explained.
an example is young-bojack trying to hear the secretariat (seabiscuit?) interview while his parents are fighting. then instead of just ending that scene, the mother comes in and further explains how bad a parent she is.
Over-explained ≠ Pretentious
Still, this is a good example of better criticizing. Not only is this Anon is using a more precise adjective but he's coming up with examples of the show being that adjective. Well done, other Anons should take notes.
I didn't make the show.
pretentious == attempting to impress by affecting greater importance, talent, culture, etc., than is actually possessed.
the writers over-explain everything because they think their writing is better than it is, that they're more clever than their viewers.
>entious == attempting to impress by affecting greater importance, talent, culture, etc., than is actually possessed
Well, I hate to be the one to give you the news, Anon, but every piece of fiction affects greater importance in reality that what it "is". Even the Angry Birds movie exceeds what is on the screen. By your definition, literally everything is "pretentious".
I do agree that the writers are condescending, but again, that doesn't mean they're "pretentious".
>that doesn't mean they're "pretentious".
they are
Elaborate.
Your problem is that you are discussing under the assumption that I am a Bojack Horseman fan instead of understanding what I'm saying. My problem is with "pretentious" used as serious criticism, not the Anons openly shitting on a show they don't like.
As I said, the show is indeed over-explained and the writing is condescending and both are characteristics of modern audiences' issues with attention span, etc. but it's not pretentious as I already explained in my previous posts.
>My problem is with "pretentious" used as serious criticism
just because a word is used unseriously doesn't mean it can't be seriously used or actually apply to something.
bojack horseman is the definition of pretense. it is both convinced it is funnier and deeper than it actually is.
>funnier and deeper than it actually is
Again. Most shows and movies are deeper than what most people would give them credit based on what they see on screen. It only takes one person to create infinite connections to reality after watching a piece of media.
so now you've disappeared up your own butthole to try to defend bojack horseman.
I don't even like Bojack Horseman. Now you're working under the assumption that deep = good. But it's true, all shows are deeper than what they appear to be. That's all I'm saying.
I can't understand what you're saying, you're too far up your own ass.
You can't understand what I'm saying because you're an illiterate millenial. And that's okay.
Well yes, aesthetization of animals has been a post-modern trend to lure the masses into many cultural and consume products. That's true. That is a great argument against the show. Do you understand how better it actually is than just reducing it to "pretentious"?
Or i'm making fun of you. You're clearly upset by usage of pretentious, in any context, because you yourself are quite pretentious.
Maybe. According to your definition of the word I might be pretentious, and according to my definition of the word, you are willfully dumb. It all depends on the language, you see?
>its all relative if I make up my own definitions of words
wow insightful stuff there. how far up your own ass did you have to crawl to figure that out?
According to your definition of "far up your ass", probably quite some.
See?
Yes, I see that you are completely up your own ass, objectively.
Subjectively*
My friend, you are quite clearly completely full of yourself, up your own ass, narcissistic, etc.
you are not nearly as clever or intelligent as you believe yourself to be. hence why "pretentious" is such a trigger for you.
I'm not your friend.
Well, if you're going to choose to be the first one to attack me personally instead of addressing what I said, I think we both know this conversation is over.
>attack me personally
I'm describing you. I am correct.
Tell me how that is not "being far up your own ass"
The irony.
>stating facts is pretentious
lol
>not knowing what "facts" mean
Please.
you really think nothing about you is perceptible?
Perceptible ≠ "Objective"
Jesus Christ. How many more?
so when were you diagnosed autistic?
>more attacks
Boring.
>questioning me is attacking!
lol
In that spirit of course it is.
or you're just insecure.
>I'll insult him and if he feels insulted, he insecure!
Ok.
yea, that's why insults work. If I insulted your bra it wouldn't mean anything unless you actually wear cheap/ugly ones.
Let's say I am insecure about my suppossed autism. Then what?
you are. that's why you felt insulted.
insults only work if they apply to the target.
And how does that change the fact that you're attacking me?
it doesn't, its why the "attacks" are effective, perceived as attacks by you, etc.
I'll then retort to my past comment since you're having so much trouble following the thread of the conversation:
>more attacks
Boring.
you interpreted observations about your behavior as insults. I have explained why. this is has been your socialization lesson for the day.
Ok... and why would you be interested in observing my behavior instead of addressing the topic of discussion?
>this is has been
The topic of discussion was bojack horseman, then your personal pet peeve over using the word pretentious to describe anything, then why that is your peeve.
Wrong. The topic of discussion was the quality of the usage of "pretentious" for serious critique. That was my very first comment.
and that was ended by
>just because a word is used frivolously doesn't mean it is always used frivolously.
ever since, its been all about you.
>something happening in a certain way is enough justification for it continuing to happen that way
I see why you decided to start observing me instead of the topic when you arrived here. As I said, it's willfully dumb.
Again, the argument is, no matter how often pretentious is used "frivolously," that doesn't mean it doesn't apply, 100%, to bojack horseman. As bojack horsemen is, objectively, not as smart/deep/clever/funny as it presents itself as.
>objectively not as smart/deep/clever/funny as it presents itself as.
>objectively
1. Subjectively*. That is your opinion.
2. It only takes 1 person to make (subjective) cognoscitive, historic and material connections between what they see in the show and reality to make a show deep. That's why all shows are deeper than what they appear to be and why "pretentious" is borderline empty as a descriptor for a piece of fiction, especially with original intentions of convincing others that it is "bad".
>one person might like it therefore it can't be objectively bad
this would mean people can't be stupid/wrong.
You have to abandon the 2 axioms that impede you to understand what I'm saying:
1. Art is objective.
2. Deep equals "good"
Both are wrong. Once you abandon these you'll understand what I'm saying and you will understand the uselessness of the word "pretentious".
Meant for:
you have to crawl down from inside your own butthole to understand nuance
What does "nuance" have to do with it? Is "nuance" objective? If so, how?
the concept of pretense is particularly nuanced, hence why you have so much trouble understanding how it applies to bojack horseman.
How is it "nuanced"? It seems very simple to me. Perhaps too much.
because its specifically about an interaction between two sets of perceptions. the perceptions of the creator about his own work and the perceptions of the audience about the work. if the creator isn't as funny/clever/deep/smart as he thinks he is, his work won't be either, and people will perceive that.
its a rough concept for people with weak theories of mind.
And this funny/clever/deep/smart standard that seems to only have sense in a measurable way, is it "objective"? How do you measure that "objectively"? Is the audience a single entity?
I see how "pretentious" would apply to everything. Not only Bojack Horseman. That doesn't take its subjective category from it as well as the gap between the two sets of perceptions you described.
>its a rough concept for people with weak theories of mind.
*tips fedora*
>fedora
>in response to weak theory of mind
where does she look for the ball?
Her basket.
Your point? Will you address my questions?
there's nothing left to address, your response to the concept of theory of mind is the clearest indication you have autism you've given so far. the concept of "pretentious" bothers you because it requires reconciling the perceptions of multiple perspectives, which is difficult/impossible for the autistic.
>For a participant to pass this test, they must answer the Belief Question correctly by indicating that Sally believes that the marble is in her own basket. This answer is continuous with Sally's perspective, but not with the participant's own. If the participant cannot take an alternative perspective, they will indicate that Sally has cause to believe, as the participant does, that the marble has moved. Passing the test is thus seen as the manifestation of a participant understanding that Sally has her own beliefs that may not correlate with reality; this is the core requirement of theory of mind.
You're willfully dumb. Embarrassing.
You memorizing the correct answer to a test for the quality of a toddler's theory of mind doesn't mean you don't have autism.
saying anyone who doesn't immediately agree with you on all points is "willfully dumb" is further proof of your weak theory of mind.
Sorry to let you down, but I don't have autism, no matter how hard you try to prove it.
Now back to topic:
And this funny/clever/deep/smart standard that seems to only have sense in a measurable way, is it "objective"? How do you measure that "objectively"? Is the audience a single entity?
You measure by what the creator thinks of the work, what the work actually is, and how people perceive the work. you look at the people who believe its great, determine if there is something wrong with them. you look at the people who think its shit, determine if they're sound in their reasoning.
then you look at people like yourself, triggered over the usage of a specific word, and determine they have autism because they can't articulate a concept that requires reconciliation of multiple perspectives.
How do you measure it? How many "wit points" does Bojack Horseman get according to your perception and how many "wit points" does Raphael Bob-Waksberg gives his own creation? Is the difference between those numbers "pretense points"? What is the average "pretense points for Bojack Horseman"? What about Dr. House? The Big Bang Theory?
>triggered
My attitude towards it has only been analytic.
>y-you have autism, please recognize that you have autism AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
>autistic person demands for quality to have objective quantification metrics
You said it was objective and measurable. I'm just following your own directives. I don't think you're autistic, just dumb.
Please link a post where I used the word measurable. Objectivity and measurable are not as tightly linked as you think. A pile of shit is objectively that, despite the lack of an “is this shit” scale.
See:
>you measure by what the creator thinks of the work
You're implying that you believe it's measurable.
Now tell me how art is "objective" so I can admit that Bojack Horseman is "objetively bad" and "pretentious" a quality descriptor of fiction.
>measuring can only be done with a scale!
Autism. Or hyper-literal ESL “thought.” As it really is only ESLs who come to this American website and try to tell Americans they’re using a word wrong.
Why didn't you bring up this point since the last post? Do I have to keep calling you out on your own mistakes? Simply embarrassing.
>DURRR I will continue ignoring your questions because you're not 'murican FRICK YEAAAAAAAHHH *dies of diabetes and lack of universal healthcare*
You should've started from there.
>Do I have to keep calling you out on your own mistakes
yeah, probably. as that's the only leg you have to stand on here.
>you have been proving all day that I'm dumb and exposing me as an ignorant, that's the only thing you have going on in this interaction
Ok.
The word for what you've been doing all day is quibbling. You're still objectively wrong about usage of "pretentious" always being incorrect. it was interesting to figure out why though.
Are you pretending to argue like a pretentious reddit bojack fan to farm (you)s or are you actually like this?
You tell me.
It's a boring show about boring shit. They cast animals to grab your attention, same reason why when you watch commercials they need a fricking pinguin to sell you insurance or a raccoon to talk to you about prostate cancer. It's proven fact it works.
>my show isn't pretentious because every show is pretentious!
... yeah you really nailed that one there chief
but hey, maybe you like bojack because you really do need that level of over-explanation before you'll understand literally anything. I mean shit, I needed to sit you down and talk you through how pretentious applies to over-explaination.
Consequence of an overtherapized nation
>the mother comes in and further explains how bad a parent she is.
Accurate.
Nah the writing is condescending as frick, that’s a common feature of millennial writing
You have failed to mock a line from the show, and you have failed to tell me or anyone what is holier than thou about the show. Is your next post going to be
>Normal words, but a horse guy
? Or do you have something of substance to say.
Philip Seymour Hoffman was an oscar nominee and one of the finest actors in films for the past 30 years. He had a family, people who loved him, and he chose to overdose on heroin. Shit happens.
to be fair, heroin is amazing
it's just normal words but a horse guy, relax
>Nothing else that came after seemed worth it anymore.
fourth-highest rated episode of all time
The View from Halfway Down is insanely overrated. It doesn't really do anything that hasn't been done in previous Bojack episodes.
The dementia episode from season 4 is one of the best episodes of tv ever made
More like get rid of season 5 and most of season 6
>captures the 10s zeitgeist extremely well
What a gay ass sentence to say. I be you think you’re some genius philosopher.
how insecure are you?
what a gay ass retort
0/10
Why the frick would anyone want the 10s zeitgeist captured?
Unless it gives you some way to burn it and bury the remains 100 feet underground and make a pact that no one talks about it ever again.
Sopranos and mad men are talking animal comedies?
more the depression and familial trauma part. it barely mattered in bojack that the characters were animals anyway, outside of some stupid jokes.
Tons of shows have that, it’s hardly a unique theme. Bojack is a comedy about a depressed person, it’s nothing like mad men or sopranos.
it was almost purely a vehicle for stupid wordplay and goofy background gags.
family of donkeys eating dinner:
>"let us bray"
it was actually a way to bake in excuses for the show not actually being able to serve any dramatic concepts all that well.
the best beat from the show is the intro and the steadily diminishing number of people at the party. the show itself never comes close to that.
>People leaving a party
Holy frick, that's so deep and real. Bro, wow, like, I like, like like like like
didn't say it was good, just that it was the best the show had.
and the beat isn't "people leave party," its the idea the main character is circulating through the same behaviors over and over with a progressively dwindling number of people in his life. again, not all that deep or even good, but still the best thing in the show by a wide margin.
its also funny to note that the original intro music was the outro music
>and the beat isn't "people leave party," its the idea the main character is circulating through the same behaviors over and over with a progressively dwindling number of people in his life. again, not all that deep or even good, but still the best thing in the show by a wide margin.
>its also funny to note that the original intro music was the outro music
Proves my point this show is straight bootyhole.
You seem to be operating under the impression I'm praising the show. I'm not.
What dramatic concepts did it fail to serve? When? The intro party diminishing in cast members is not the best the show has to offer and that you think that is strange.
its the best beat in the show because its the only beat the show doesn't beat you over the head with.
and only because they swapped the "back in the 90s" music for the music.
Quote a better piece of writing from the last ten years
I'll do you one from the same show.
>I'm just a crazy drug hallucination, I'll say whatever you want me to
>Then tell me it's not too late
>Well it's never too late!
>Yeah that's right!
>It's never too late to be the person you want to be
Normal words but a horse guy!
>midwit post, but on Cinemaphile!
Keep seething, Horsegays never got over based Family Guy shitting on them
This is some gay ass writing on par with a highschool guidance counselor lmao, no wonder why redditors love this shit.
easy peasy
BRO, LIKE LIFE CAN BE GOOD, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE..UM, LIKE IT CAN BRING YOU HAPPINESS RIGHT, SO, UM, LIKE YOU HAVE TO LOVE THE PAIN..UM, LIKE, IT'S A BEAUTIFUL THING RIGHT,LIKE SO, UM..LIKE, I'M DEPRESSED BUT THERE'S LIKE BEAUTY IN IT?
I hate this show.
I don't remember that line from the show.
I'm mocking it smooth brain
It would carry a touch more weight if you chose to mock a line you actually held grievance with but maybe that's expecting too much from you.
That holier than thou pretentious bullshit is exactly like what's on the show.
>holier than thou pretentious bullshit
What?
Bro he can't quote it because he's never seen it. Just knows vague generalizations and that people like it
no need to sign your posts like that
Lowest IQ
I do
> i hate thinking!!!!!! stop trying to make me think!!!!!
if insipid platitudes make you think, there's something wrong with you.
There is beauty and value in experiencing the full range of human emotions during your lifetime, yes. That is one of the more surface-level messages of the show.
the show goes out of its way to make everything surface level
I said this in a previous thread, but I think it's worth reposting.
Bojack, as fricking insane as this sound, actually helped me become a better person. I'm pretty young, still in my early twenties, and my life has been a bit tough. Seeing some of my bad traits in Bojack made me realize I needed to change, and specifically the message that "regretting bad decisions doesn't absolve you for them, you need to change" really helped me.
I know it's fricking cringe, I know I should have realized this on my own, but the show did help me attain some needed clarity, and for that I do appreciate it.
Power to you, dude. I'm conservative leaning but I'm not going to blame the increase in mental illness soley due to snowflake coddling. We're not living in the 1940s anymore, although we have the technological advances it's still a tough, or even tougher, world in many aspects. Whatever helps people get through the day, I'm all for it.
but it's not the same because Tony was an actual evil psycho, Bojack was an ass, and mad men has interest in getting characters to change/introspect. Also as soon as Don's war back story was told, there was no real story (no one cares but his hookers, or the fate of whatever the company was at the end).
Both obviously contributed to Bojack's development and execution, but in the words of Mr. Peanut Butter, their shows may have invented it, but his perfected it
*no interest
bojack didn't perfect shit though, everything it tried to do was done far better in other shows, down to the shitty mother dementia plot, the dream sequences, the depiction of depression. worse of all it never lets the audience think for itself and always needs to have some writer self insert tell you how you should feel. imagine if in the sopranos every 5 episodes one of tony's friends would rant at him about all the ways he's a bad person.
>down to the shitty mother dementia plot
What show did the mother dementia plot as good or better than Bojack, let alone in that way with the depiction of dementia in those trippy sequences? You just made a bold claim anon hot damn.
>worse of all it never lets the audience think for itself and always needs to have some writer self insert tell you how you should feel
Incorrect anon. In season 1, during Bojack's drug trip,
>I'm just a crazy drug hallucination, I'll say whatever you want me to
>Then tell me it's not too late
>Well it's never too late!
>Yeah that's right!
>It's never too late to be the person you want to be
The show invites you to wonder, IS there actually a cutoff point for being the person you want to be? Is there a point where it's too late and it's over? If yes, when? Genuinely one of the best bits of the show.
You are sucking this show's dick so hard lmao. Frickin' nerd
I wasn't aware talking about something you like was fellating it. You must not talk about anything you like for fear of fellating anything huh. Maybe
>>>/b/
is more your speed.
>imagine if in the sopranos every 5 episodes one of tony's friends would rant at him about all the ways he's a bad person.
dr melfi already does that. the only show that perfectly executes this is the wire. You can't really fault mcnulty for fricking over everyone in his pursuit for justice in a really shitty city. And the ones trying to do this to him come off as inauthentic.
dr melfi calls out tony, like once? over the course of like 80 episodes. it's definitely not as egregious as bojack.
>one of tony's friends would rant at him about all the ways he's a bad person.
Never had the makings of a varsity athlete.
what
>protagonist is flawed but is attempting to improve his life
>protagonist rides the line between their temptations and healthy life choices
>protagonist succumbs to his despair and experiences his lowest low
>eventually recovers and begins anew, but with a newfound appreciation for life and positive character growth
>show isn't allowed to end so they just undo everything and have him start over
Why are shows about losers always like this?
i mean it's a theme how being a piece of shit is sort of an addiction
in BoJack specifically, it's about relapsing but also coming back a little bit better than before, and therefore a hope that one day you'll come back good enough to never relapse
Honestly, Bojack's biggest flaw is thinking that beating himself up over his failures and poor choices makes up for them. He's the kind of person who thinks saying sorry and expressing regret heals everything. Apologies are just words, you need to change and make amends.
Stop thinking of life as a line, its a fricking circle
Shut up nihilist. That's just a cope for never doing any better
i hope you have big dreams kid
My dreams are all here on earth, in the present and I'm living in it. I couldn't be happier.
I'm Buddhist
damn I wish I were a midwit like you it'd make things much more bearable
I'm not the nihilist here. We can't all have your big brain and inflated intelligence
>My dreams are all here on earth, in the present and I'm living in it. I couldn't be happier.
>I’m Buddhist
Western pigskin pinko libtard not understand very basic lesson of Buddhism and like cringe horse show hahahahahaha
Bloody b***h bastard
gottem
>not nihilist
lmao what you believe in god? and youre talking about cope?
it's an arrow
's just the fall and rise of reginald perrin, innit
Demoralization to make you a miserable golem.
>Can you please stop hurting people?
>THIS IS WHO I AM *cries*
NORMAL
NORMAL
Puns and visual gags are top tier in this show
i liked the one about neal mcbeal the navy seal
This and Wilfred (US) are really good shows about mental instability. If you dont connect with them that probably bully for you.
2011 or 2007?
This show is just too long for me. I know there's a payoff but holy frick. Moral oral is probably 1/10th as long as this. Just feels milked
>I know there's a payoff but holy frick.
There isn't, Bojack stays virtually the same in the end.
>I know there's a payoff but holy frick
Not particularly. I say this as someone who likes the show. Don't force yourself to enjoy something. If you think it's a slog, then go do something you actually enjoy with your time.
>shitty animation
>d-list or worse "comedian" va's
>why am i le alcohol depresso:(:(:(
I legit think these shows are money laundering for richer comedians, also to keep their best buds off the road and in a studio so they don't compete for crowds.
>nobody wants to admit
Everyone knows it except reddiors
It's very clear for anyone who has seen it and has 2 functional neurons. It's still worth re-watching.
It's literally normal words but a horse guy
>emotionally damages you so bad you cancel your show
Lmao, what a pussy. I would have been honored to be ripped on by Seth/Family Guy and laughed it off.
Seth just show the "depth" and pretentiousness of that show.
Remember Bojackgays still haven't recove
Who got it
>oppieposting
Eh, could be worse. Could've been animeshit
I'm on Season 3 of Mad Men and it still feels like a slow, boring drag but I love the themes of depression and isolation. I'll admit I also have a soft spot for funny cartoon animals.
>Family Guy: Normal words but a horse guy
>Bojack fans: REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
3 years later
>Bojack fans: YOU DONT WANNA AMMIT BOJAK'S JUST NORMAL WORDS BUT HORSE GUY!!!!1!
depression is a choice
alright, im finna say it..
an anthropomorphic horse actor wanting to play Secretariat was funny tho
secretariat was also an anthropomorphic horse.
Baby's first psychological drama.
>nobody wants to admit that shows like the sopranos or mad men did this exact same concept but far better
Imagine comparing this to sopranos and mad men, and unironically thinking that's a dig against it
>Americans STILL assblasted about the gun episode
Dumb fridge philosophy shit written by women for women
You will never be a man
reminded me of a sadder mission hill
Why is this fake and gay shit for suburban spoiled women on my board
yeah, but it's a cartoon horse!
It was a good show for what it was at the time. But towards the end it started taking itself too seriously. Just a natural consequence of the writers room being staffed by the same west coast shitheads that it loved to make fun of.
I’ve felt no desire to revisit it. I would guess that’s most people’s reaction.
I cant watch it because it makes me too sad. Just lost a good friend so stuff like this hurts too much
Different, sure, but better? I found BoJack more touching than anything on Mad Men, and more intensely emotional than any other show. Wouldn't say that makes BoJack better, but I certainly wouldn't say it's worse.
is this show actually good? i've seen it enjoyed by "lol we're all so miserable amirite?" reddit types which puts me off.
It's not even the best 2010s cartoon about a talking horse.
smiling friends single handedly owned bojack horseman
>Verification not required.
i love how you can just feel the writers patting themselves on the back thinking they're so smart for coming up with this shit. frick this show.