What exactly makes something noir?
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Hardluck dames and toughluck fellas
>pepenoir1
pepenoir2 (and beyond)?
>rainy city at night
>cop whines about how much he hates his life, his job, and the city
>"I was miserable but I knew I would get my man because my existence was meaningless if I didn't."
It has to be L.A noire
I really liked the game but frick, investigations in the morning in a city as sunny as LA definitely didn't help set up the noir mood/atmosphere, although there were some great parts like the Black Dahlia case. As cliché as it sounds, I'd have liked it even more if it was set in NY at night and under the rain.
>investigations in the morning in a city as sunny as LA
Raymond Chandler managed to make LA work as a setting, you just focus on the sleaze
i hate that tho. LA dirty feel. like The Shield. New York has this old historical feeling that LA never has. Its more of a gothic city
LA was different back then. Climate wise though I do still agree.
you just feel it
It’s a tough definition but the one that I like is that every character in the movie is a selfish piece of shit, even if they’re just a random gas station attendant or nightclub singer or pedestrian or doctor. If there are any innocent characters, they either suffer for it or lose their innocence by the end.
I love noir movies btw. Particularly neonoir but pretty much everything.
Chinatown 1974
Cry Danger 1951
Dead Reckoning 1947
Farewell, My Lovely 1975
His Kind of Woman 1951
I Wake Up Screaming 1941
Kiss Me Deadly 1955
Kiss Tomorrow Goodbye 1950
Laura 1944
Le Deuxième Souffle 1966
Le Doulos 1963
Le Samouraï 1967
Murder My Sweet 1944
Out of the Past 1947
Panique 1946
Pickup on South Street 1953
Ride the Pink Horse 1947
The Asphalt Jungle 1950
The Big Heat 1953
The Big Sleep (pre release)
The Killers 1946
The Killing 1956
The Maltese Falcon 1941
This Gun for Hire 1942
To Have and Have Not 1944
Where the Sidewalk Ends 1950
Don't forget Blade Runner
>No Night and the City
>No Detour
>No Phantom Lady
>No Sunset Boulevard
>No The Big Combo
>No Nightmare Alley
>No Kansas City Confidential
>NO THE THIRD MAN
>NO DOUBLE INDEMNITY
Jesus Christ anon
it's my list not your list. feel free to make your own.
for me, its out of the past
bawds at night.
It's old
It has a dark unhappy story
Very simple.
why not just look it up? it's been answered so many times already?
why make a new thread? why ask a basic question of the entire internet just to have them dance for you?
If you actually know the answer you would know that it is contested what constitutes noir - there even being those that maintain noir isn't even a proper genre. Besides, OP may just wanted to have had a noir thread - the fact you didn't recognize that makes me suspect you are a newbie trying too hard to fit in.
why not just never post again you insufferable tryhard homosexual?
Named the antagonist:
Falcone
Marcone
Salieri
Aesthetics (light/shadow, nighttime, city landscapes)
Characters (wary detective, ambiguous client, usually a long-haired attractive but dubious woman)
Tropes (double crossing, disappearances w/ ulterior motives etc)
That said, all of that can be upended and changed and you still have a noir/noirish movie.
That started w/ Orson Welles, who made the country noir Touch of Evil w/a happily married Mexican cop as the main character or Lady from Shanghai with a short-haired femme fatale and a plot that takes place mostly during daytime.
Both are, needless to say, among the greatest masterpieces in the history of movies in any genre.
>Both are, needless to say, among the greatest masterpieces in the history of movies in any genre.
I didn't care for them. I also can't stand Double Indemnity because Barbara Stanwyck is a hag and the idea that anyone would throw their life away for her breaks the suspension of disbelief.
In this case you have truly abysmal taste my friend. I feel sorry for your limits, perhaps in the future you'll revisit these movies and you'll grok them along with Double Indemnity which is also kino
I read something once that argued noir is basically an extension / update of Gothic fiction for the mid-20th century. Themes of secrets, sexual tension and corruption being commonly being found within both; both trying to capture a brooding and foreboding atmosphere.
hard light, crime and an increasing sense of dread
I'm gonna use that glass trick someday.
movie of a certain style made in a particular window of time
darker shades of grey in visuals and themes
The main villain usually says MERRY CHRISTMAS YA FILTHY ANIMAL, regardless of the season.
For me it is sunshine noir.
Low intelligence, lack of impulse control, prone to violence
>watching a period piece
>no spanking
Explain this
is there any samurai noir?
no, samurai are nobility they can't be sleazy and dirty
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0073918
>Yakuza
>samurai
no
i only know of a movie le samourai (1967), not sure if it's actually about samurais
There's a noirish, brilliant Kurosawa movie called The Bad Sleep Well but it's more of a Patricia Highsmith type of thriller.
Wikipedia says that Drunken Angel (1948), Stray Dog (1949) and High and Low (1963) have noirish undertones as well.
Noir just means "black," so if a film is black and white, it's "noir."
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noir is french for black. as in Black person. there are decent attempts at capturing he vibe of the noir/pulp genre of the mid 20th century americana literature. but the books are better. raymond chandler fr noobs, dashiel hammet for afficionados, and if you dont have the attentionspan to read a book, watch ANGEL HEART
>raymond chandler fr noobs, dashiel hammet for afficionados
I take offense at this because Chandler is the greatest wordsmith of the 20th century and Hammet is just a competent genre fiction writer.
what should i read if i loved hammett and ellroy, but absolutely did not cared for chandler?
Tom Clancy
Gritty stories with no heroes
> Lulu...Sweet thing, I miss her. I hate the rain. It makes me all sentimental. You're probably wondering what an old detective like myself is doing having all these feelings. Well, I'll tell you. But we got to go back. Way back, to the beginning.
>The game was up and no amount of whiskey was gonna wash this off.
>They say no man is an island. But stick around this line of work long enough, and a fella just might become a peninsula.
A game of cat and mouse, but you dont know which one you are
gib moves that could be noir but a little off.
taxi driver is extremely noir its just a weird subject
We should all collaborate and write a screenplay for a noir film. Would anyone be interested in something silly like that?
Forget it anon, it's Cinemaphile
>Dear mister Noir Film...
>Black person
>for you
>The joke is that it rhymes with suck and
>A Sith. Lord?
>i need a gf bros
What would a western noir look like?
man who shot liberty valance comes close but it doesn't do shit with the visuals, idk what non-neo western really could handle noir visuals.
Bad Day at Black Rock has a somewhat of a noir feel.
literally breaking bad
is batman the animated series noir?
no but tim burton's that it is based off of is
I have seen it called Dark Deco.