>NOOO! ROBOTS ARE GOING TO TAKE ALL OF OUR WORK!!!!
I don't know why everyone is complaining. I always thought George had a sick job. Push 1 button and take a 7 hour nap with a 1 hour paid lunch? I thought that was the dream?
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Because they're going to make a robot that can push that one button then what is there to do
Pushing the button that activates that robot. Now lunch is two hours.
they can just make two robots that each push each other's button
Someone has to push it the first time.
Why not just make the robot turn on when the office lights turn on?
why are you bringing up magic shit?
But who turns on the office lights?
You guys are dumb. Right now most assembly lines are 99% robots and they work 24/7, if you for some reason really need a robot that turns on and off at specific times you can just have it on a timer.
yeah but you'd need someone to start the timer, this revolved back to pressing a button but now it's multiple buttons
Someone has to repair the robots when they inevitably break.
So two robots flipping each other off?
the egg or the chicken
ngl sounds sexy
Live your life the way you were meant to
you can push the botton Cinemaphile?
Because spending 15 hours a day sleeping and doing nothing with your life is actually horribly depressing to most people.
Also the robot maids are ugly
I'd smash Rosie. Robbie's wife from the Jetson's movie could get it too.
Isn't Rosie shaped like a dumpster
She's got an ass like one, if you know what I mean.
Cause it's full of trash and live rats
I liked Rosie until I actually watched an episode of Hazel. The illusion snapped.
>Because spending 15 hours a day sleeping and doing nothing with your life is actually horribly depressing to most people.
I can't comprehend how there's people who actually think like this as if a job they have to do for survival the only thing that gives them meaning in life.
Do they not have hobbies? There's limitless opportunities.
Its not that uncommon a trait. Look at political leaders. Many around the globe are wealthy many times over where they could nope the frick out and live a pampered life. Instead some just hold on to power and don't let go till they die shitting in the seat they sit in.
Its similar for the more common man who can't comprehend 40+ hours a week back to themselves. You get the COVID crazies who lost it locked away from work.
As a NEET myself, I tell you, free time becomes its own curse to creativity. You'd think that me having all day free would push - keyword here: push - me to get swole from working out all day and developing software for hours on end, or do reacttion videos and shit like that; but no. Its called demotivation: NOT working becomes a habit of its own; you get so used to being lazy, that even leisure feels like too much work.
This. When you're already a shy or lazy person, it's hard to find "structures" that get you out into the world and nurture mental health.
It's great that some people can build their own structures, but that doesn't mean the rest are somehow subhuman or "not trying hard enough".
>Do they not have hobbies?
try doing your glass blowing while on the job
Get a better job
>Do they not have hobbies?
The robot is gonna do that too
Are you baiting? People already have 8 hours a day plus two weekend days to themselves and most of them just spend it in front of a screen mindlessly browsing social media or watching Netflix/Youtube. Just like you are doing on Cinemaphile right now. Do you feel fulfilled by that?
>? People already have 8 hours a day
no people have like 1-1.5 hours for themselves after you remove commuting house chores and kids. And yes they spend that time trying to escape reality. They need more hours. Actual 8 hours of their own time and 1-1.5 hours of working maybe.
>commuting
an hour at best unless you live in a megacity
>house chores
An hour a week at best unless you live in the 1930s
>kids
Fewer people have them than ever
>an hour at best unless you live in a megacity
>Getting to work fast
>Ever
>What is traffic, or trains not running, or delays, or bus's breaking down, or-
Also I don't know if you missed it but there was a minor baby boom from couples stuck in lockdown during covid.
>who cares if you spend 3/4 of your life doing things you dislike hurrr
You're brainwashed along with most people. I do have hobbies, that I even work on while I check Cinemaphile sometimes.
Most people don't put effort into hobbies due to lack of time to be consistent with them and funds. Work-culture is demotivating.
>too much of an npc to think of what to do with your life if you were free instead of a slave
When push comes to shove it turns out most people are dumb cattle who don't want to live like people
>robot maids are ugly
Oh, sure. Cherry pick from the bottom of the barrel.
>use robot to generate an entire personalized TV show/webcomic for you
>endless content that you can enjoy all day
I don't see the problem. I already binge cartoons everyday so having a robot make something just for me that caters to my interest sounds even better
They are, because machines can do anything you can do much faster.
because the robots are not collectively owned, and the people that own them will still expect you to pay for their shit.
This is Family Guy-tier.
Yeah, that's college humor.
family guy tier would be when george grabs jane right before she leaves the car and starts lecturing her over how she took his wallet instead of the limited cash he gave her
That IS Family Guy gag.
family guy insist over itself, this is more in line with AS stoner humor in which they are pretty much seeing how far they can go with a shitty joke.
They're going after the wrong jobs to replace with robots
It's expensive to make robots that replace menial labor, since they need to design them to perform specialized tasks, often with finesse. It's much more likely that easy jobs that can be automated will be white collar jobs, and what remains will be fricking grunt work that companies are too cheap to design and produce robots to handle, like working as line cooks, going around and scrubbing shit off of toilet bowls, and the like. So the elites will make more money than ever, destroy the middle class, and force everyone to work shitty labor jobs for less than ever, due to those being the only jobs remaining that aren't done by machines or AI. Meanwhile, billions of foreigners from third world countries will flock en masse to Europe and North America, fleeing rising tides and temperatures, further straining resources, services, and strangling the job market. It will be an absolute shit show.
>fleeing rising tides and temperatures
You had me until then.
Even if you don't believe in man-made climate change, it's evident that temperatures are rising and having an impact on earth, likely due to increased solar activity.
this was the plot of Metropolis until they backpedaled hard into blamming the evil robots.
Indeed.
>*Latest Fad
It's funny because it's true
I'm sorry but that's an actual sick job. Like I mean sick in a bad way. There's nothing fulfilling about work like that. Even a janitor can take pride in the fact that he cleaned his area of work. Just pushing a button all day leaves no amount of satisfaction.
This. Spending all day not doing *anything* productive will eventually wear on you mentally.
t. has been a NEET since 2020 due to a combination of the coof and then other aspects of my life crashed hard
For fricks sake, just bring something to read.
>since 2020
rookie numbers
Hey, I work as a janitor at a university and get 2 free classes a semester, health, dental, vision and union! They even pay for Winter and Summer sessions, meaning I'll be a university graduate in spring 2025.
That's great, but by and large education is getting more expensive with diminishing returns, which is pretty stupid considering the internet means all information is available all the time. Everyone could have a Harvard education, but rich people don't want to share.
Realistically things would be more like Judge Dredd. The 10% of people who can get a job get to sit around all day counting beans like George Jetson for the fabulously wealthy 1% while everyone else lives on welfare in the slums.
Because you won't get paid to push any buttons. The robots are gonna work, the company owners are gonna get the money and you'll be left to starve under a bridge.
You're missing the point.
If pushing one button is a whole day's worth of work, it takes less than 1% of the world's population to do ALL WORK.
What do you think we're going to do with the other 99%?
>we're going to do with the other 99%?
Onions green.
>ywf the Jetsons is set in the 40k TL just before the uprising of the Men of Iron
dunc ripoff
literally b00mer
>HELP JANE, STOP THIS CRAZY THING!
>THAT CAT OWES ME MONEY!
>The gig economy
dude lazy z00mers amrite
George's job has all the markings of a job that was mandated by government regulations. Mr. Spacely wants to get rid of him, but the law won't let him.
Are you done being gays yet?
Post robot waifus
Yes. Robots taking over all the work is bad.
That's a cartoon and it's not going to be like that in real life
Yeah, it's going to be much worse.
>>NOOO! ROBOTS ARE GOING TO TAKE ALL OF OUR WORK!!!!
>I don't know why everyone is complaining. I always thought George had a sick job. Push 1 button and take a 7 hour nap with a 1 hour paid lunch? I thought that was the dream?
Automation would be a good thing if robots were owned in common. However they are private property under the economic status quo. As such, instead of using automation to reduce the amount of working time to produce goods, the amount of working time remains the SAME while more goods are produced for more profit (which is the whole fricking point). The expense of automation also is a pretext for layoffs and mass technological employment is a pretext for austerity and welfare-chauvinist rhetoric. Automation never benefits proles.
>instead of using automation to reduce the amount of working time to produce goods, the amount of working time remains the SAME while more goods are produced for more profit
This is a good point, but wouldn't this still be an issue if they were collectively owned? People would still see them as a way to increase profit, not a way to reduce required labor.
>owned in common
Someone this always means controlled by an authortarian bereaucracy.
Because in this fictitious boomer world, George still gets paid well enough to support his entire family on his single salary from that button pushing job. In reality, he could actually be building those sprockets by hand and be paid next to nothing in the modern day economy. The button pusher won’t get paid shit.
He was always stressed as frick and had a jerk boss anyways. Automation didn't make him any happier.
>robots are gonna take all the jobs!!
If robots will become capable of autonomously carrying out even manual labor than what’s to stop someone from creating a robot to farm and produce food for him?
Counter Argument: Man craves work and Work is the ultimate catharsis and distraction.
Depressed? Learn to whittle.
Mad? 25 Pushups.
Stupid? Get a job, stick with it, learn some things.
Bored? Vidya is not work in the classic sense, but problem solving and simple task completion can be mental work.
Henry Ford was a great engineer (and a douchbag in many other ways) but he recognized that unless he paid his workers decently, they wouldn't be able to buy his cars.
That still applies.
If everyone but the 1% is starving, where are their customers?
What do you do when 98% are unemployed? Bread and circuses? That works, for a while. In the past through, the Mob eventually becomes dissatisfied and revolts. Will the army/police fire on their own citizens? (When they wouldn't, the Soviet Union collapsed.) Not a problem though if the army/police are robots. Kill the masses.
Herman Kahn's thinktank devoted a lot of thought to the problem. Read his book "The Year 2000". Mack Reynolds fictionalized a lot of his ideas. An automated future where most everyone is on Welfare, I mean, Guaranteed Basic Income. Everyone gets an apartment, a stipend which can't be stolen or gambled away, "happy pills", and Reality TV.
>Everyone gets an apartment, a stipend which can't be stolen or gambled away, "happy pills", and Reality TV.
I mean we're basically already there. If you don't have to worry about food, shelter, and other basic necessities, Its not like people do nothing. They just spend all their time entertaining each other. Basically, its some form of super youtube/social media. At the bare minimum, you're a view that people are fighting over, at your very best, you get millions of views and cash gets funneled to you to keep being entertaining.
The only thing stopping us from getting there is that the production of basic necessities are wrapped up in corporate legacy, who are all playing a high-powered version of Monopoly chasing short term profits and the only penalty for losing is you get to retire to your mansion and watch your kids turn in to drugged up partying degenerates with their trust fund money.
>I mean we're basically already there.
No we are not. The cities are clogged with homeless.
Yes. The new robber barons have bought back the gilded age and in case you haven't noticed they've got Social Security and Medicaid next on the chopping block. No retirement for you.
40k took pretty much every major sci-fi franchise up until the 80s and threw it into a blender with a bucket of grimdark.
>Henry Ford
>Douchebag
That's putting it very lightly.
Sounds like communism.
>When called out, they shout "COMMUNISM!" to silence the critique.
Where's our share Scrooge?
Work for it like i do.
AND THERE IT IS EVERYBODY.
>"Just pull yourself up by yer bootstraps sonny just like I did!"
Fricking waiting for you to finally say it and there it is. You forgot to also add "once you make it, kick the ladder down so the other chumps can't ever climb it."
My only consolation is that you'll die soon, and I hope Hell exists so you can boil in a pot of molten gold.
Wow really dude? You sound like my old bum ass friend that wanted everything handed to him and cried and whined when he didnt get it. Pathetic.
Yeah I know you worked really hard on the pole
Your mom was working really hard on my pole last night
because hes living in a utopia
that is not something we are ever going to get
Your life will be very unfulfilling and boring without responsibilities. Especially if you don’t have a hobby that you could spend your whole day with if you had the chance.
is a modern retake on the Jetsons.
George and Jane BOTH work at responsible jobs.
It's an ad for a company so, of course, it's an optimistic view of how you can work for them and build a better future.
is a behind-the-scenes look the the creation of the other video.
So, Cogswell Cogs or Spacely Sprockets?
Spacely Sprockets.
I'm gonna make a robot that steals other people's robots
what will billionaires need consumers and workers for if they have robots
What if they hired cavemen instead, would that be better?
Now robots are making art and writing essays while humans are dying of heat strokes at construction sites
The problem is that there won't be enough jobs for everyone. This could easily be fixed by taxing the billionaires 1% of their income.
But of course that won't happen because Billionaires would sooner outsource everything to china, turn the pollution up to 12 and sabotage anything that touched their Scrooge McDuck vault.
>problem?
>just steal!
>taxing the rich is stealing
>getting rich through exploiting labor, overcharging customers, and exploiting loopholes is not stealing somehow
Don't simp for billionaires.
>taxing...is stealing
We all get taxed anon. Death and Taxes.
But maybe the rich and their BOUNTY of wealth (where $5k is like $5 for them) can be bothered to give to the public instead of hoarding it.
its gonna be SOOOO much easier for the IRS to use AI to get even the smallest of offenders that normally went under the rug. even if you made some accidents the ai will be able to filter you
hell ai is very volatile and is prone to spilling bullshit
but for the brainlets who think the ai is magic will trust it
so if you get filtered out because the ai is moronic you are still put in a situation where the idiots will say "well the bot said you were an offender"
>gibs me dat
Don't simp for billionaires.
tbh I genuinely don't understand how you constantly see people complaining about how expensive everything is today but when you suggest that businesses should maybe wage salaries more which have been lagging profit and productivity growth for decades they fly into a fit.
Literally unironically propaganda at this point, people think suggesting that workers should maybe get paid more is tantamount to gommunism or that it'll somehow send the economy into out of control inflation because their corporate bosses told them it would.
The only victim of propaganda is you, if you are truly think that unions have their best interest in your welfare and not theirs. That was literally Lenin's mentality: a bureaucratic elite of party members telling the People what to do and think; so much for the workers.
The system is beyond fricked and no one who can fix it wants to. No one.
So what's the choice between someone who'll at least give us the time of day vs someone who'll pay us wooden nickels to build our immortal replacements?
Stupid doomer, just giving up.
I literally said nothing about unions. The fact that you immediately think that me mentioning raising wages equates to unions says everything about how addled your mind is.
Contrarians anon. Anything opposite of common sense to "own the libs" or whatever.
How much did they pay you for your soul?
NTA but I got a plate of nuggies and ketchup.
It was deliciously worth it.
Unironically yes. Musk give us a chunk of your fortune to fix the fricking roads instead of hawking futurism while the world is on fire.
I shouldn't be dropping applications and cold calls for WAGE jobs that don't call back and only getting in because a relative got in and pulled some strings.
For a fricking RETAIL cashier job.
If you wanna simp then by all means your head can go right next to the 1% on the pikes.
If we sent money to help the poor and hungry during the Cold War instead of the Space Program, we would still have them today but without any men visiting NASA
So what, you don't help? You just keep the status quo going because you think money just runs out?
Anon I know it's a catch-22 but you can't just fricking immediately ACCEPT it like a dog. You can at least WANT for better.
Don't simp for billionaires.
Billionaires can only become billionaires through profiteering, wage theft, and utilizing publicly funded services (big pharma patenting NIH-researched drugs). Taxing them at 60% would still leave them with more money they could spend in a dozen lifetimes, and recoup the funds diverted to them.
>all things are mine to disburse as I see fit
Frick off commie.
$5 You didn't even read anything in this thread and assumed if it didn't vibe to right wing then we're commies.
Do you unironically think Trump or Musk or anyone of those fat cats are going to actually thank you and give you a pat on the ass for defending them on Cinemaphile?
Mother fricking Cinemaphile? (Of course you do, or at least most likely just to have the opposite opinion or to just get (yous))
Stop simping for billionaires.
And what will happen the next time we want more money? And the time after that?
If every non-billionaire gets stuff from a law impoverishing a minority, that law will be pushed and pushed until it becomes blatantly oppressive. I don't trust you to stop at "1%".
>inb4 'don't simp for billionaires'
You need new material.
Bro, the rich constantly get richer. You think they're going to stop at 1%? Spoiler, no.
What about if you actually stop being a b***h and quit with the what abouts?
Methinks you're one of those misers that goes pale at giving a dime. Robber Baron.
Well when you're starting I'm sure the master can toss you the boot you were licking to eat.
The government is the biggest corporation of all.
Does that excuse you of simping for Musk or Besos? Whataboutism can't pay for vidya and porn, let alone crackers and milk.
Corporations are the biggest corporations of all you fricknugget
The government is just where they send their lobbyists and bought politicians to get together and enact or repeal laws that let them hoard even more of your money.
If the corporations are bribing the government, who has the real power?
That's not how the economy works
So what it's supposed to be this exploitative to random joes like you and me? We're supposed to hold four different jobs, pay for a shitty apartment and disgusting food, on top of internet, entertainment (that's asking us to pay more for it), and our families?
Is THAT how the economy works?
Lemme guess, you're going to next educate with with the "wonders" of bootstrap mentality? Right? C'mon fricker give me that sales pitch again I KNOW it's on the tip of your fat bloated tongue.
Not him, but wouldn't ubi cause INFLATION?
Yes, ubi is a meme
You can't give it to people that already hold jobs
You can't make it worth more than minimum wage
The amount of people that would get it would still be limited
You all caps it like it's dramatic. We're already fricking dealing with inflation from printing money during pandemic.
UBI is a security net for, I dunno, automation of the workforce/outsourcing.
Lobbyists.
I dunno I'm playing Hearthstone and enjoying myself. I just look at the little things in my life and only check on the big things in case nukes go off or something like that. Also weed. Weed takes the edge off ALOT. God bless Legalization.
If anything I just wish these contrarian bootlickers weren't a thing. I get shit sucks and the average anon loathes normies and shit; but I mean is praising Musk and acting like Automation makes our lives better when evidence clearly show it hasn't?
Like hell if these rich people really want us to leave them alone to their money piles, just fricking treat us like fellow humans and not some disgusting bum on the street corner, or some lazy peon that doesn't understand shit.
UBI or not, just treat us like fricking PEOPLE god damn it. Then maybe we wouldn't be saying eat the rich alot.
If taxing the billionaires was the solution to all issues wouldn't someone in power already force that?
Because as it turns out, companies would rather just automate entire fields to where there's not a single human left that doesn't need to get paid.
Jetsons ironically wasn't that far off in terms of predicting how it'd play out, people just immensely underestimated the greed of companies in hindsight (surprisingly, given who George works for.)
the whole place was automatized and he was one of the only humans working there, the others were robots. it's like in japan right now, the playstations 5 factory only has 4 human people working most of the time.
It's a cartoon dream you idiot. In practice no competent businessman would play his employees a fricking salary for pressing ONE button and then do nothing for half the day.
and one hour paid LUNCH. In 2023?!
Anon it's wage slavery for the majority of us, at least until they replace frycooks with machines and then you better hope the "socialist" UBI happens or else you won't be able to even rent a crack shack.
Welcome to the actual future, the only ones that made it are the Baby Boomers and the 1%.
because you as an individual will have no stake in the associations revolving the value chain of the product, since you are obsolete and replaced by a robot, you will see no return or benefit to you, you will just be perpetually out of a livelyhood, humanity is never going to support anybody for just living though that would be nice
indulging in your true passion is always going to be better than work but meanwhile you need fuel for your body and a certain standard of living, you won't get that, you will just be a corpse
conclusion: its better if we all form singularity and become goo instead
>conclusion: its better if we all form singularity and become goo instead
Or maybe it's time for French Revolution 2.0.
I ain't down for no 3rd impact my homie.
I enjoy my sense of self.
The problem is that robots are being used to take the jobs people want, like father, or artists, while people still work in sweatshops.
Wasn't there something about trying to hire like pre-teens to work at McDonalds?
I don't know when this map was made, but child labor laws have gotten crazy lately. Kids working in factories and shit.
It's like we're in the Gilded Age all over again. God I hope Roosevelt get's reborn.
Like this plutocracy would allow him to win even if they didn't assassinate his character in the media
Roosevelt was shit.
Franklin was shit, the anon you're responding to was talking about Teddy. If you think Teddy was shit you're objectively wrong and probably just a contrarian, his track record was honestly fricking insane and he did more in 4 years than most presidents could have done in 8.
>Nobody's posted this yet
To think we're actually facing that as a future if this wealth inequality keeps balloning.
Frick's sake.
ai is gonna make it easier for the government to spy on you
you know how the UK has cameras everywhere? well they're mostly useless because they are literally taping everyone and don't have the manpower to filter through all that shit
Well now they can just use an "ai" to filter out people
peple already got their kids taken away because ai
People only hate automation because instead of using increased productivity + reduced labor costs to increase wages it goes right into the CEO's pocket. We should have a fricking renaissance of worker's rights - work less, get paid more, having nice jobs with robot assistance for everybody. Nobody should have to be a slave.
Don't you think it's weird how productivity has been skyrocketing, but not wages? Don't you think it's weird how in the 20th century, a single man working an average job could provide for his ENTIRE family, including buying a house, a car, and vacations; but TWO married people working full time jobs can barely scrape by?
>inb4 hurdur frick off commie
I don't give a shit about commies or capitalism or socialism or politics what the frick ever, I don't care what you want to call it, I don't give a shit about labels. We should all be George Jetson right now, working easy jobs and providing for our family and having a nice home and be able to afford nice things and having a lovely family.
>but TWO married people working full time jobs can barely scrape by?
Frick me if this isn't true, tho they're working on it.
My sister works as basically a at home pharmacy secretary while my brother in law is out all day repairing Trucks before going to school for Aviation Engineering. Also while raising a 2 1/2 year old daughter.
We all live with our parents so that's a godsend, but yeah, I've heard my old co-workers gripe about working 3-4 jobs just to make ends meet for their family.
Seriously; French Revolution 2.0, it's going to happen eventually if this keeps up.
>French Revolution 2.0
You know "quiet quitting" at your jobs? Zoomers are doing that for life.
Zoomers know the world's fricked and they don't give a shit. They're staying at home with their parents working odd jobs to buy whatever they want without worrying about the future, because they know there isn't one. Suffer now, suffer later or have fun now, suffer later.
You homosexual you didn't even read the post.
>Pharmacy Receptionist
>Working towards Aviation Engineering
They're acutally trying for better work/pay to give their child, MY NIECE, a better life.
So what you can just say "it's da zoomies fault"?
Fricking boomer, you'll be one of the first for the guillotine.
>"quiet quitting"
That in and of itself is a toxic term coined by corporations to describe people "just doing their jobs", because you're supposed to do your job and the guy who got fired's job and overtime and volunteer work to prove you're a go-getter or whatever.
This. You will either be an ACTUAL, UNIRONIC, SLAVE in all but name, or you'll have no job at all.
All for a paycheck that will never pay fully for rent, food, etc.
The last two times the American people rose up to fix their country: the first time they burnt down their own neighbors' houses and businesses while the politicians laughed, while the second one turned out to be an FBI psy-ops.
A few months ago, the federal government literally bombarded a whole state with perpetual contaminants for a full week. They called it "America's Chernobyl". Whatever came from that? Nothing.
I always felt the shadowrealm was worse than actually getting killed. When Mai got sent there, the part where she got stuck in an hourglass unable to escape while her friends had fun genuinely made me uneasy. Like, death would have been a better option there honestly.
???
Wrong thread? We're talking economics in this thread about a cartoon.
What is late stage capitalism but a real world shadow realm
I want to live in a magic sky castle, this future blows
This thread is yet another grim reminder that the poison of apathy runs extremely deep in the American subconscious. If we ever do bite it in this century, there won't be a grand collapse or instantaneous assured destruction. There will be no apocalypse, and no terrible bomb. It will be a long, boring, and pitifully drawn out death ending with a whimper.
>robots take all the work
>robots dominate even the creative fields meaning less incentive to learn them when you can just press the button for the AI to do it
>only jobs left that aren't answered by "why not just let the robot do it" are all physical menial labor that likely involves having to do upkeep on the robots
>mass stagnation
I would much rather not have the entire species turn into NEETs with rampant depression over lack of purpose
Employers are not going to hire many people to push one or two buttons, most people will be out of work, the population growth is just going to make the problem worse
Something something, Market forces, invisible hand etc.
If everyone is broke corpos can't hawk useless trinkets at people. Prices will HAVE to go down or something.