>nooo i am only getting paid $500k year to write for a few weeks these are starvation wages!
what a joke
Not only they are overpaid as frick, most of the cinema they make ends up losing a ton of money.
honestly they should just fire all of them and hire new actually starving fresh film college graduates who would be willing to work for pennies, but more importantly they would actually care about delivering cinema that people enjoy watching, instead of insulting the fans of various IPs and hating the original material (such as witcher etc) and pushing woke garbage.
This is the perfect moment for the studious to clean house. Not only they have more and more AI to replace them, but also they will soon have to fire them anyway since like 7 our of 10 disney and other big studio movies end up losing tons of money, i mean the average blockbuster nowadays costs like 300m to produce plus one times as much to market and then they pull in maybe 200m profits, those are massive loses.
These writers are the dumbest Black folk ever.
Audiences hate the garbage these entitled wokies produce, and studios hate how much money the trash they keep producing.
So why in the frick keep them on the payroll? This is a nobrainer.
Look at Snow white, any idiot can tell you that movie will lose a TON of money and the people making it are out there striking right now to get paid even more?
Fire them for fricks sake you idiots.
Nobody knows a single line from that movie. You're blaming casting on writing.
>Nobody knows a single line from that movie.
show me a single person who doesn't know
>mirror mirror on the wall whos the biggest Black person of them all
>hire new actually starving fresh film college graduates who would be willing to work for pennies, but more importantly they would actually care about delivering cinema that people enjoy watching
This but not film school grads. USC, UCLA, NYU have all been cucked beyond belief, academia has fallen to the commies and no talent will be coming from these institutions anymore. The new wave will be total randoms, writers and directors who love cinema and have managed to stick it out in LA through all the chaos. The revolution is coming, but it won't be through the usual corrupted channels.
They could honestly just hop on youtube and find a bunch of talented film makers there, of course they make short videos now, but you can clearly tell who is talented and would be a good bet to hire.
Whoever they end up hiring they need to make sure they are actual fan of the source material which usually means they will do a good job.
It still baffles me who the frick put together the team behind witcher for example, those are people who not only aren't fans of it, they actively hate it and most of them didn't even read the books or play the game. What fricking bizzaro joke is that? Those are the people you get to make the show? Fricking seriously? And pay them millions to do so? I could literally find 10 times better person who would do it for minimum wage, with google in an hour.
Talented filmmakers don’t resort to YouTube
The latest A24 darling film was made by YouTubers
>this isnt 1984
Christ they're so stupid.
>1984
i don't get it, that book is about government surveilling and controlling its citizens, this has literally nothing to do with being a shitty write on strike.
By the witcher example though, i am not surprised those gays are referencing 1984 without even reading it.
the levels of irony are unreal
Just a couple of years ago they were mocking people for referencing 1984 when the government was trying to force everyone to stay locked inside their homes and take an experimental vaccine, now they're talking saying it's 1984 because they aren't getting enough residuals for the awful shows that bombed.
I hope these gays lose their homes and get stabbed by an LA hobo.
The average writers salary is $500k?
What the frick?
it's all over the place it depends on your position of course, some get paid more some less, but even if you are near the bottom as a writer you will get paid 100k+
Lmao fricking idiots
Here they are whining about not getting residuals
LEARN TO FRICKING SPEND WITHIN YOUR MEANS YOU GREEDY FRICKS
Crazy how disconnected from reality they are.
I would literally take any of their jobs and do it for minimum wage and be happy as frick.
OP is using a strawman. The writers that are striking are majority making about 25K a year. That might sound like enough, but these morons live in California, where rent costs about their entire paycheck each month.
>The writers that are striking are majority making about 25K a year
yeah nah, those who work full time make 100k minimum at netflix for example.
Those who make 25k actually only work part time, few weeks out of a year, one week a month for example because there isn't enough work for them as the industry overhired during covid and despite working part time they demand full time wages.
>those who work full time make 100k
WHICH IS NOT MOST PEOPLE BECAUSE TONS OF WRITING JOBS ARE GIG-A-FIDED NOW WHERE THEY BRING YOU IN FOR HANDFUL OF WEEKS ONLY, PAY LITTLE AND THEN YOU ARE OUT OF A JOB AGAIN AND MAYBE YOU DON’T FIND NEW FOR 6-9 MONTHS.
Then get another job.
They do. So if you want to b***h about everything being shit now and it’s the writers’ fault, that is the problem. A lot of them can’t make a living with peanut wages and have to do other jobs and that means their work output is not going to be great when they have to split their time driving Uber or whatever to just ensure they can have healthy insurance that year.
No sweetheart. The ones getting hired for a week's worth of work, aren't making blockbusters.
>A lot of them can’t make a living with peanut wages and have to do other jobs
They should be grateful to have work at all. holywood overhired way too much during the pandemic. there is not nearly enough work and one of those homosexual write demands is to actually INCREASE the number of writers hired, when instead the smart move would be to fire half of them if not more.
Also how come there are writers crying about having to work 18 hour days and next to them are writers crying about only working 1 week out of a month? so which is it gays?
>holywood overhired way too much during the pandemic.
Citation needed.
>when instead the smart move would be to fire half of them if not more.
Once again you prove you know or understand nothing about writers rooms.
>Also how come there are writers crying about having to work 18 hour days and next to them are writers crying about only working 1 week out of a month? so which is it gays?
Because they’re talking about how they only get short writing gigs and in order to put bread on the table they’re forced to do shitty gig jobs that consumes most of their time that also means they have less time developing pitches and have meetings or work on their writing, you fricking mouth breathing moron.
You do realize that licking their buttholes as anonymous on Cinemaphile won't result in you being hired by disney right?
everybody has to start somewhere, a lot of the stuff in holywood is not about talent but nepotism.
How the frick did the she hulk writers get hired? nepotism and woke agenda pushing. 0 to do with talent.
A lot of people make a lot less while providing a lot more for society. Which I’m not totally against because money can’t come from nowhere. But most scientists that make constant breakthroughs for our benefit make frick all money and usually have to brownnose and suck dick to get grants for their research, and even the most decorated will live in mediocrity or below you’re not owed more money just because you took a poorly paid job. It’s not even poorly paid either they just live in the worst state in the US and work 1 month a year expecting to live like the actors and directors
>Boohoo different jobs get paid differently so you don’t get to paid a liveable wage while the companies make record profits from your work by regularly reselling them
>I'm what's wrong with society because entertainment trumps technological innovation
this
every time i see a 300 million budget for a movie which now is nearly every capeshit movie, and another like 200m in marketing and the movies turns out of be trash anyway like the secret invasion which cost like 250m to make and lost a ton of money.
I wonder what would happen if they took that money and invested it into science like that supeconductor shit going on now. Imagine where we would be now.
I don't mind movies being expensive if they are good. Look at snow white, i saw a single photo and can tell you already it will lose hundreds of millions.
>money can’t come from nowhere.
It can come from some keystroke from anywhere.
and?? if i need someone to do 2 weeks worth of work why the frick would i hire them for the whole year when there is nothing for them to do after 2 weeks?
studios aren't charities they are for profit ventures
Because the current cut to the bone, maximise profits model results in shitty tv and movies. Writers traditionally don’t stop writing on a tv show until the entire season is in the can and done with post-production. That model ensures you are able to fix/rewrite stuff that doesn’t work, handle any not foreseeable issues that may rise and train people to become show runners and get better at their job as they’re actively involved in the entire making process. The current streaming model means they throw people out after the limited writing period and then make the show runner basically become overworked when they’re expected to do multiple jobs without compensation and as a result the product quality suffers and you don’t train people to take over from old people when they retire/die, meaning the quality will keep dropping due to inexperience and lack of on the job training you would get in the normal old model that also ensures people were able to make a living on the one job they had and also survive when work dries up, so they don’t have to spend time do part-time gigs and can for example work on original material for pitches, etc.
People posting here are so blind to the actual aspects of making shit and just think people write something in couple of days and then they shoot it and bam everything is done and finished.
The current state of cinema has nothing to do with writers being overworked or tired.
Your writing doesn't get progressively more woke more tired you get.
Those are objectively bad writers doing bad job trying to push woke messing and pandering to diversity never even trying to actually target their writing efforts towards the actual target audience of that movie which is what makes money. The bud light fiasco is a great example of this.
>IT’S BAD JUST BECAUSE WOKENESS
Aaaaaaaaand post ignored
Doesn't make it any less true gay.
This.
I'm tired of movies being used as vehicles to push agendas instead of their main purpose being entertainment and escapism.
It is why i am so super excited for the 40k cinematic universe. Cavil is someone with a lot of pull and also a big fan of the franchise, so i know he will do right by the fans and aim all his effort at pleasing the audience instead of insulting them and pushing diversity to them.
>all caps
Lefty melty
The people making 25k a year writing, are only doing it as a side hustle. Like a few months, at best of work.
it's 63k
Give writers 0.2% of profit and be done with it. If the budget is 5mil and the show/movie makes 5mil in pure profit they get a check for 10k bucks as a bonus, plus their original salary. It would make them actually work for it and produce something good instead of “uh let’s take this popular game or nostalgia and make the characters black or bisexual and make the plot revolve around how the characters try to overcome how hard it is to be their sexual orientation/gender/not so vague skin color bait disguised as non-human race
ceo of disney iger recently boasted that snow white will be their most diverse movie yet which clearly shows he is in full on
>let them eat cake
delusion, he is a CEO of that company and has NO idea whatsoever what his customers actually want. No wander the company is taking a nos dive.
Why don't people on this board realise it's not the well-paid writers who are b***hing and moaning but the ones not being able to pay rent because of their low pay?
Residuals are a stupid concept most of the time though because the risk not getting paid well is too high. On the other hand, paying a high one-time fee is too much of a risk for the studio so they resort to residuals. Ergo, it should end in fair residuals
It's not as black and white as many here make it out to be. Nevertheless, Hollywood is a shithole. If you always keep your writers at an arm's length, yet fail to hire them full-time, how the frick do you not expect them to go ballistic sooner or later?
When are you going to realize, that they should get another job?
And then you’re happy when nobody makes anything new anymore?
I still haven't watched every movie in AFI Top 100, or the Sopranos, Mad Men, or a dozen other shows that are topnotch. Plus, I only watch a movie a week, at most. If you're worried, it's because you constantly need to be watching something to soothe your toddler mind.
So that’s a no then.
No. It should be obvious what the answer is: I'll be happy no matter what, because I don't need to be distracted all day.
>I don't need to be distracted all day.
Sure, its just a coincidence you are on Cinemaphile all day instead of watching tv.
That is such a bullshit answer and you know it. Just because you have a quitter mentality in life doesn't mean that everyone else has to be the same way. Some people fight for their rights and their jobs
Not implying that Hollywood isn't shit but if you give up your job without a fight, you're a loser. If you try to improve things and fail multiple times, there is an argument to be made in favour of quitting
>Also stop hiring big name actors
I can definitely agree with that one. The inflated budgets for movies are fricking insane. Secret Invasion looked like dogshit and had no right at all to be anywhere near the 100 million dollar mark
>Why pay 80 million to brie larson that everyone fricking hates
The argument is usually that specific actors generate huge income. I just don't see it happening in most cases though. Sure, RDJ may be a pull for people but no other MCU actor did the same thing. It's rather about viral marketing and about the fact whether the story is actually good
I'd love to see that as well. Hollywood is too elitist in its own way of doing business and everyone, especially independent filmmakers always want to get in that business which is a shame
>The argument is usually that specific actors generate huge income
This used to be true back in the 90s before the rise of the internet and streaming services, where all you got were couple big budget movies per year and only in theaters. So people like bruce willis used to be god like social status.
Today the market is too saturated, you have dozens of movies and tv shows coming out every year, not to mention youtube and streamers ocuppy a lot of peoples watching time now. The era how these god like big name celebrities is gone, a name will no longer be able to sell tickets.
There are some exceptions still, like tom cruise etc, but you can count those on one hand, for the most part it's wasted money to hire these big name celebs, instead those money should be put into hiring competent writers and production value.
Agreed. Hollywood's biggest problem is that it's hard as frick to get into the inner circle. Nepotism is the worst thing keeping Hollywood from producing legit good material. Second worst thing is politics. Unlike people on this board, I couldn't give two fricks about a writer's political affiliation or whether they lick pussy or suck dick. As long as you deliver a decent story and good characters, people will like your material. The moment you try to project your opinions onto others and try to market the movie in that way, a majority of people won't be interested. And every single time, a bad movie tanks, the blame falls upon the fans instead of the shitty writers
Same shit with actors. If people really gave a damn about gay actors for example, How I Met Your Mother's Barney wouldn't have been as beloved as he was. Same with Jodie Foster. If you're talented, you're talented. If you're shit, you're shit
the good news is it has to change since they are losing money and will run out one day
Fire all of them.
I consoom a ton of holywood movies and out of every 10 i see about only 1 is decent, not even good, just decent.
Also stop hiring big name actors, nobody gives a shit and they demolish the budget. Why pay 80 million to brie larson that everyone fricking hates when you can go to a random acting class and pull some 10/10 blonde college girl who will work for pennies and do much better job than this overpaid thot
Some exceptions apply like keanu, or cavil or tom cruise of course
But with say keanu you can barely count it since be basically gives a big part of his paycheck away to the people working on the movie.
Damn right. Celebrities are cancer, entertainers who think they're economists, scientists, politicians, etc. Tools of the elite via their own self serving narcissism. There's absolutely zero reason to give someone like that millions of dollars per film when their role could be filled by a high school drama student.
frick everyone involved with a rake
hope hollywood burns and the homosexuals protesting either starve to death or get a real job.
maybe if hollywood dies and stops inundating the world with disgusting slop people from elsewhere in the world will be able to get their foot in the door of tv and film.
>people from elsewhere in the world will be able to get their foot in the door of tv and film.
envy is a terrible thing
bro I'm a steelworker with zero interest in any kind of writing. I do know that I am beyond sick of every piece of media coming from the diseased mind of californians regardless of the subject matter, and I am most definitely not alone in that belief.
So don’t watch anything. Problem solved.
I haven't in quite a while, thankfully there is plenty of classic material I can watch. In the meantime I can get some entertainment watching these gays throw a tantrum and if I'm lucky it will all end in one big murder-suicide.
>You have more in common with the striking actor
No. I don't.
lol
You don’t own any capital chudgay
I've got 300k invested in addition to my retirement account which has more. Does that not count?
Maybe learn some financial responsibility instead of insisting on living in LA and pissing every dime you make away on massively inflated rent lmao.
Nice larp bro
lol typical. literally can't even imagine anything other than being a broke dumbass complaining about da man keepin him down.
How does boot polish taste this time or year?
you have anything other than corny canned responses? you can at least try to spice them up a little can't you?
Canned responses like "I have 300k invested, just learn to save money, lol"?
The important part of my post was that if you want to save money, you shouldn't burn all your income on frivolous shit like for example, living in LA or whatever other trendy shithole city.
If you want to larp as some kind of coastal elite be my guest, it must take a lot of effort for you to maintain the dissonance of shitting on flyover country while you as a broke wannabe are actually living worse than flyovers lmao.
Cool corny canned responses, anon.
pathetic lmao
see
Were you just accusing people of doing what you do again?
I always laugh when terminally online chudgays make a desperate attempt to convince others anons they own capital
You have more in common with the striking actors than the greedy studios
Trumpgays vote against their own economic interests
i would very much like to see an era where disney falls apart and we see a rise of small movie studios who make smaller budget movies and actually have to make good ones to survive, not like disney that can afford to make one flop after another.
Also would be great to see less cgi and more practical effects coming back.
They couldn't even write their own signs
>billions of profit
lol, where? the movies have been losing money for years
when a movie makes 500 millions in the cinema means fricking NOTHING when you subtract cost of the movie, marketing cost, and cuts theaters take that adds up to something like 700 millions so you just lost like 200 million
Don't worry, there's plenty of work in the bauxite mines for everyone
>THIS ISN'T 1984
Damn straight! They could never write something that's as good as 1984
They should try burning down the city. It worked for the blacks
Least sympathetic protest ever, hope they get less than nothing
Why don't they just get real jobs?