>NOOOO THE BALANCE OF THE FORCE IS SUPPOSED TO BE ONLY THE LIGHT SIDE WHILE THE DARK SIDE IS A CANCER!!! THERE CAN'T JUST BE A CENTER!!!
Doing away with this lame fairy tale bullshit was a good idea.
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>take buddhism sci and turn it into semetism scifi
The seed of eden rots as the son of man willingly worships the golden calf.
Buddhism literally has a concept called the middle way
you're moronic
Just admit that you hate Star Wars and frick off already.
You first, troony
Trannies are the ones who came up with muh gray jedi niggetry.
No wonder they fear being replaced by AI being this unoriginal.
>gray jedi
Has existed longer than your homosexual zoomer as has been alive
the grey jedi were from the EU that came out around the original trilogy you moronic ape
I still like the idea that the prophecy wasn’t misread, and that Anakin actually did bring balance to the Force by culling the Jedi of its bloat, and reducing the equation down to two Jedi, and two Sith.
well yes. dude the whole thing is masonic in origin... Going through the kabbalah in the script
Except then the EU comes along and writes hundreds of more jedi and sith in after the purge.
Except there's literally 50-something survivors of the great purge
The prophecy idea itself was a mistake. No one mentioned it in the old movies. It's clear that George re-read Dune and decided to steal even more ideas from it by turning Anakin into a shitty version of Kwisatz Haderach.
I find it weird that the jedi were supposedly a huge ass organization that can be all over the galaxy but:
The council is laughably small.
The temple is shown as nearly deserted in several movies.
Some clone troopers act like they are seeing a winged elephant when realistically a master and his apprentice should be deployed on every venator.
The prophecy wasnt misread, Anakin DOES bring balance to the force by fathering Luke and later killing the Emperor. The great irony is that the prophecy is only fulfilled by directly violating the "no loved ones" rule of the old jedi order, it is literally love and attachment that brings about Luke and that brings Vader back from the dark side and ultimately balances the force.
I think this was very intentional to show why the old jedi order wasnt working, why they were not the embodiment of balance in the force, since their ways directly lead to the Anakin becoming evil. Luke had to be the start of a new way, one that incorporates love and attachment.
Gray Jedi were a thing since before you were born, zoomBlack person.
I watched the originals and the prequels and somehow never picked up on that. Which movie are grey Jedi in?
Qui-Gon is considered a Grey Jedi.
Yes, in NeoGAF fanfiction.
>Doing away with this lame fairy tale bullshit was a good idea.
The idea that there is an enlightened "third way" superior to all other options is power fantasy bullshit.
It's a good idea and they should explore it in the sequels. It's George's fault really as he portrayed the Jedi as some weird cult meddling in politics.
How is it a good idea? Being a gray jedi is applying a min/max video game mentality to storytelling. Oh I'm still a good guy but I dumped a few points into force lightning so I can jump my car's battery.
People that talk up gray jedi just think of the force as superpowers that you can opt into and out of and not, you know, a philosophy.
>video game mentality
It's literally Eastern spirituality, something the originals were based on. Yin and yang, light and darkness, harmony and balance.
Harmony and balance do not mean "do both evil things and good things depending on what benefits me more" which is what a grey jedi is. It's using the dark side but saying that you will magically not get corrupted by it for reasons.
That's why it's a dumb video game mentality. If you say "I will do what is necessary no matter what", that's not gray, it's just evil.
I dunno what are grey jedi, but people who just use force and aren't crazy emotionless monks or moronic backstabbers should be a thing in this universe.
they are, they are called: Qui Gon, Obi Won, Luke Skywalker, Ahsoka, Rey and basically every single jedi we've ever seen has had some level of emotional attachment, you're fricking moronic
The OT was about a fricking grey Jedi, moron. Luke was grey.
No, the force is about space samurai killing each other.
This isn't Star Wars. It's better than Star Wars.
the Bendu was a flagrantly evil hypocrite who fricking died because he overdosed on dark side then an AT-AT shot him
>bring balance to the force
>balance is a total domination of crazy monks who kidnap and brainwash children and form a shadow government
???
I like how they dig through george's discarded ideas then make even shittier versions of them
>Bogan
midwits really love pushing this new line disney is going with kek
george says a balanced force is no sith. i’m not going in for your stupid fanfic from video games being pushed by israelites
>midwits really love pushing this new line disney is going with kek
the "grey jedi" enlightened centrist shit is an EU invention though
I know that, but disney is leaning into it which is why you’re seeing threads shilling it
There are two opposing grey jedi definitions that are getting confused. The actual "grey jedi" is a Jedi who is 100% a light side user who just isn't dogmatic and even comes into being a jedi after having formed attachments already. Qui Gon is the former and Luke + a host of EU jedi like Kyle Katarn are the latter.
Then, there is a fan idea of a "grey jedi" which is typically an edgelord larp of "i'm a good guy, but I can use dark side powers without being corrupted... because I can, ok???" This is a total LARP and defeats the purpose of avoiding the dark side in the first place. Dark side is inherently corrupting to your SOUL even if it's used for a good intention, so being able to use it without corruption renders the struggle pointless.
Nice dubs but this is just flat out wrong. It was never the case that balance meant equal numbers of jedi and sith. The "light side" of the force is already a misnomer, jedi virtually never call it the "light side." There is "the force" and "the dark side of the force." Within the Star Wars universe, the "light side" is the only objectively moral way to use the force.
it’s like if one of these morons rewrote LOTR so that their atheist self insert could wield the ring without being influenced by it, thus destroying the entire point of the books in the first place. it purports to add texture and depth but really strips the substance away
>imagine caring so much about this stupid franchise
lol, I don't give a shit, the yin and yang idea is better than the stupid crap George came up with. It makes the force return to its roots - to eastern spirituality that George obviously did not understood which is why he turned Jedi into Jesuits in the prequels.
you have no fricking understanding of eastern spirituality if you think buddhism is about being selfish half the time. it’s about dissolving your sense of self entirely. that the “self” is an illusion and really you are part of a whole corrupted with desires which are the source of all pain in life, and realising there is no real individual “you” to desire anything liberates you. almost exactly like what the jedi believe!
Yin and Yang isn't from Buddhism.
> to eastern spirituality that George obviously did not understood which is why he turned Jedi into Jesuits in the prequels.
you are genuinely moronic. Jedi philosophy is already heavily based in Buddhism, which IS a fricking eastern spirituality. People who try and make George out as a total moron always expose themselves for being the true moron
he understands Buddhism purely as "uhh just be chill, dude."
>Qui Gon is the former
Bullshit. He was just mad the Council preferred to take its orders from the Senate and sit on their asses instead of being proactive in pushing the dogma onto the galactic whole. Obi-Wan, being far more parochial in believing the Council Knew Best, was constantly at odds with him about it.
If you can seriously watch TPM and think that Qui Gon wants to "push dogma" I can't help you. He's a "grey" jedi because he listens to the will of the force and is decidedly NOT dogmatic. Pushing to train Anakin alone shows he's not dogmatic.
>hey I found that prophesied guy for us so we can restore balance to the Force
EVERYTHING about him wanting Anakin trained was DOGMA.
It's irrelevant what he said. Prequels are bad and he ruined Jedi there. A new take on his mythos would be a good thing.
>will to power moral relativism
not exactly new or fresh but has been a staple of all modern slop for decades now. the
>i’ll follow my OWN path
shit is tiring. it’s just self masturbation and changes mysticism into ideology
Enjoy slurping Lucas' equally zionist wiener then, moron
balance: follow the will of the force and not your own
not balanced: use the force as a tool of your limited ego
the force is balance. that doesn’t mean the sith and jedi are two necessary halves, it means that anything bending the will of the force for its own ends is imbalanced. you can’t have balance with an ideology like the sith who are inherently against it
And you can balance with Jedi who don't procreate and are against having strong emotions?
>For my ally is the Force, and a powerful ally it is. Life creates it, makes it grow. Its energy surrounds us and binds us. Luminous beings are we, not this crude matter.
Jedi are anti-life. How can they understand the force?
this is so fricking moronic
>who don’t procreate
neither do IRL monks but they continue existing because they pass down teaching. you don’t have two monks fricking to create a monk child. the jedi are flawed sure, but their approach to the force is objectively the correct one, which is surrendering your will to it. the sith are inherently about imbalance and perverting the force for their own ends.
>anti life
forcing adolescent nietzsche shit into star wars
>but their approach to the force is objectively the correct one
Why?
>forcing adolescent nietzsche shit into star wars
Lol, Star Wars isn't exactly mature. It's a story for children about space wizards. It's just that George portrayed Jedi not as wise monks, but as Jesuit like cultists meddling in politics and being pretty fricking moronic - allowing slavery, banning feeling emotions, training child soldiers and so on.
>why
I don’t understand how you don’t get this given what you just quoted. The force is some fundamental substrate of reality actively organising all life. It is balance because it is an absolute whole, it pervades everything. You’re arguing following the whims of some chemical brained little monkey is more pro balance than following the will of the thing that is literally everywhere and part of everything. The jedi overcome themselves to make themselves vessels of what reality itself wants, the sith just see the force as a power to magnify their own ego. If you can’t see how this creates imbalance you are genuinely filtered by something you just called immature.
So death, chaos, passion, emotions and so on are not natural? It's not part of nature?
The point is that Jedi do not follow the will of the force. They are simply wrong about what the force is all about. Thousands of years corrupted the original believes.
you’re at the point of just putting words into my mouth instead of responding to what I actually say. when did I imply death wasn’t natural? there’s a distinction between fundamental laws and processes and humans actively and wilfully deciding to alter the course of natural events in favour of themselves is there not? death is an immutable law- murdering someone for self gain isn’t. a jedi would say that the force ultimately decides when it time for someone to die and not a person. the jedi being imperfect followers of their creed i don’t dispute, but their creed in theory is 100% pro balance and the sith one is utterly incongruent with balance
>when did I imply death wasn’t natural?
>There is no ignorance, there is knowledge. There is no passion, there is serenity. There is no chaos, there is harmony. There is no death, there is the Force.
That's Jedi's motto.
also yoda to anakin
>death is a natural part of life
in fact it’s anakins refusal to accept death that leads him down the path to darkness, to try and control reality and deny its laws. by there is no death they mean that nothing truly dies because it was always part of the force, it just returns to it and becomes part of everything else.
>death is an immutable law- murdering someone for self gain isn’t.
That's pretty much the most natural thing out there. Every animal does this.
>but their approach to the force is objectively the correct one
then why didn't they see palpatine coming? did the force betray them?
do you think morally correct people are invincible and always win IRL? if might makes right is true you have an argument, if not then this doesn’t make sense as a point
>it's morally correct to train kids into being soldiers in an intergalactic war
whatever you say yoda
again, the jedi code existing doesn’t mean every jedi is a perfect embodiment of said code. that doesn’t refute the point that the jedi code itself is pro balance and the sith one isn’t. this is part of the OT too. yoda goes against the will of the force by telling luke to kill vader, when luke has been given feelings and prophetic visions instructing him to do otherwise. there is nothing logical or pragmatic about his decision to confront the emperor and throw his weapon down. it’s pure submission to the will of the force and the pacifistic ethos of the jedi which even yoda and obi wan won’t sanction, but it ends up being the correct thing to do. he follows what the force tells him to do and not what his reason says. it’s an example of the jedi figures being incorrect but their code being correct, they just fail to follow it fully and luke doesn’t
I think the prequels made it kinda clear that the Jedi order as it existed during the clone wars isn't exactly the perfect example of what jedi are supposed to be.
I'm a bit of a centrist, I think only half of Alderaan should have been destroyed.
This "grey jedi" stuff is peak midwit. "Both sides are wrong, why not just use the smart middle ground with no downsides and strengths of both" is a gary stu power fantasy for pseuds. What's the point of the entire central conflict of Star Wars when there's an easy third option that somehow nobody thought of for thousands of years of conflict between Jedi and Sith?
There's no "grey jedi." You're a jedi if you adhere to the code of the jedi order, which usually keeps you on the light side. If you don't adhere to the jedi code then you're not a jedi, then you're just a force user doing his own thing (or you're a sith if you lean into the darkside)
this legit looks like something from world of warcraft
>tfw jim henson absolutely mogged the frick outta george lucas with the two sides in balance shit
its time to grow up and watch real kino boys
who the frick is bendu
But Jedi are already boring, pacifist neutralgays. The light side isn't the good side, that's just how midwits like you interpret it. The light side is balance, tranquillity, serenity. It's inherently a reactive a force that responds to unbalance brought on by the dark side. That's why Yoda says that a Jedi only defends, never attacks. Nor is the dark side muh evil guys, most Sith started out as good people with good intentions trying to make a difference using their power.
You can't milk those.
Quigon kinda was a grey jedi but that never meant he balanced the use of light and dark side equally. He was firmly light side, it just meant his beliefs weren't as rigid as those of the Council. An example of the "grey" thing is believing attachments don't always have to be a bad thing and they're practically unavoidable in a realistic life scenario, so it's better to use attachments correctly and not let them be a way to the dark side.
In the new canon Cal is the most similar where his attachments are actually a major motivation for him to remain on the light, although his one or two dark-side-as-a-last-resort moments definitely seemed to have swayed him.
Jedi are trained to be detached and not to express emotion because extremes of emotion can impair judgement. That’s not to say every Jedi is emotionless all the time, and every Sith is a murderhobo, they just represent the dualistic aspect of force use.
>tl;dr the force is kind of like Ki with an added caveat of good/evil
is it me or is his name the same as the gray jedi from kotor just slightly tweaked?
>bindo
>bendu
i smell a hack
>bindo
>bendu
>windu
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