>NOOOOOOOO THE MONSTER CANT BE MISUNDERSTOOD IT HAS TO BE EVIL
Why is Cinemaphile incapable of understanding anything beyond “humans good monsters bad”? I mean, King Kong and Godzilla are the most famous giant monsters and they have themes of the humans causing all the issues in the first place.
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I have not seen this and do not plan to.
Thank you for informing us. Can we get an update? Are you still not planning on seeing this? I need to fricking know right now.
I also am not planning on seeing this
but you just did
Suck my dick, moron.
It's not terrible animation wise. Also it references/plagiarises basically every ocean Kino in existence which was kinda interesting
It's literally just a rehash of HTTYD.
Is there any vore? Asking for a friend.
yes
Yes
Is this the one that says monarchy bad despite it not being a driving force of the plot?
No-one dies.
Sorry anon, everything has to be a subversion and the girl is a brown child.
No, anime isn't simple, it's convoluted.
>no animal in real life has the instincts to "just kill and stuff" humans.
Cats love to murder.
Hippos are evil.
Killer whales are also evil.
>Creatures on the scale of the sea monsters of this movie wouldn't even see us as food, we're so small in comparison.
Yeah you're right, there's no animal that eats something much smaller than itself. Whales don't eat anything and cats don't try to eat every insignificant spider they see.
>humans have treated wolves and sharks in much the same way
Ah, yes, and little red riding hood definitely has no basis in real life and why nature is dangerous. Maybe you'd like to coexist with a sabre toothed cat who din du nuffin?
Anon, it's problematic to recognise patterns, red flags and warning signs. That inbred crack dealer might be a nice guy.
>Anon upset it's not socially acceptable to just murder animals because "they're scawwy buttholes"
>Why is Cinemaphile incapable of understanding anything beyond “humans good monsters bad”?
We can understand it just fine.
It's just really fricking lame when they do yet another 'It was man who was the real evil!' and your movie is lame for it, when even HTTYD gave just an eency bit more layers by actually having the damn super monster.
>chink produced movie
ah yes, Chris Williams. my favorite asian director
You know there's a difference between a producer and a director, right?
he is the producer too
Is the nonster horny like the dragon from shrek?
No but it looks basically like dragon from shrek
That's why I'm asking, because that dragon did things to me... With it's frick me eyes, and those big luscious lips...
I just want simple media
Good is good
Bad is bad
Monsters are mean
Girls are pretty
Simple as'
This is LITERALLY for children dude
soory to burst your bubble but
good is bad
bad is good
monster are cute
girls are ugly
is not deep and mature, is just generic toddler shit
What? I didn't say it was mature, I said it was for children. You were complaining about it not being simple enough for you and then called it toddler shit.
He wants a genetal audience action animated fantasy movie that entertains audience but instead got what's basically a movie for children that focuses more on life lessons.
and dense male mc with his harem
Yeah and children need to learn good lessons like monsters bad and big strong man good.
>Complaining about media aimed at children being "too complex"
I wish Jasper had killed them all.
He didn't imply any complaint there.
No but they constantly undercut the message by making everyone morally grey
It can't just be good it has to be cumplex and then they fail at both
>bro we need every movie villain horrible racist caricatures
>that'll show em
>Bro I want to make a good story, classic hero's journey but special
>But I can't just make evil guys so I need to allocate half my writing time to figure out how to justify the horrible atrocities and warcrimes that they commit
>Explaining this will of course also take up half the movie length, sure hope it doesn't detract from the actual good story
Literally no one cares about the feelings of disgusting sea monsters. Kill it and mount it on the wall
>NO, EVERYTHING I DISLIKE MUST BE EVIL AND BAD SO I CAN JUSTIFY MY RACISM
Work on your bait
You have been the bane of western animation since its inception.
Reviewers hate it anon
Monsters bad? too much violence
If you want a fun and straightforward monster adventure movie that doesn't try to subvert or deconstruct, watch Love and Monsters. It's got the pacing, story ethos and aesthetics of an animated movie except it's got live actors. The main actor even looks like an animated movie protagonist.
"Don't judge a book by its cover" has literally been a childhood moral that has been taught for thousands of years. Just because something might look or seem friendly to you doesn't mean it is, and sometimes things that look bad or scary to you really aren't. It's what allows narrative twists and reveals to happen at all. Knowing things are more than just how they appear on the surface is a fundamental cornerstone in one's education because it allows for critical thinking, to examine the actions and intentions of others and protect themselves.
If you want mindless surface-level junk food where everything is exactly what it looks like it is, please just loop Minions forever.
Sometimes things that look bad are just bad. Those stereotypes usually exist for a reason.
I would indeed cross the street if you approached me, by your unwashed scent alone
>Sometimes things that look bad are just bad. Those stereotypes usually exist for a reason
Exactly, like nazi and incel
have a nice day fricking b***h bigot
Okay, Tiffany.
>Those stereotypes usually exist for a reason.
Racist c**t
Thankfully, they thought of that and made sure the Red Bluster looked like it had an entirely different designer from the Brickleback and crab so you could tell it was good compared to those other monsters!
>all these seething replies
ya done good kid
Interestingly it used to be common to use the literal devil to teach this lesson, as the devil is known for tempting people through seduction.
This is what the culture war does to your brain.
It makes you more stupid than a child.
Then minions is for you... Maybe without monsters and pretty girls
I have no problem with media like that but it doesn't mean everything has to be that, especially considering that's most stories throughout history.
Doesn't this describe a frickton of anime, esp isekai?
It describes most stories in most media since the dawn of history.
Geniuses admire simplicity. Dumbasses admire complexity.
Dumbass cope.
Terry A Davis was far from a dumbass. Simplicity is what everything should strive for. Your complex crap is a israelite invention.
I'm not saying simplicity isn't a quality, but some things are just complex and trying to reduce them down to simplicity is generally the attempt of idiots trying to make them easier for their small brain to manage. For example "the israelites are responsible for everything I disapprove of" allows you to use your precious brain power to focus on fapping to your waifu instead of trying to understand the many driving forces behind things that happen. And "complexity is for dumbasses [and that's why I don't like it]" reeks of insecurity as does appealing to authority. The real world and fiction also don't work like programming, otherwise "Jim eats an apple" would be the greatest piece of fiction ever.
Jim sounds cool
I wanna be like Jim
A better way to express what he said would be "you should strive to make something as simple as possible without it losing its function", which ironically isn't a simple equation to figure out on a case to case basis, and of course lacks the smug autism.
Cringe.
>ugn, people who look different from you aren't always bad
It's pattern recognition. If a war breaks out & you can't tell who the enemy is at a glance you die. Face blindness is a sign of autism.
Sure if you're a raptor.
Rigid morality and pattern obsession is literal autism.
>I mean, King Kong and Godzilla are the most famous giant monsters and they have themes of the humans causing all the issues in the first place.
Yes, you could even say it's old hat by this point. Almost like that's the complaint being made and you're being deliberately obtuse.
They squandered all their potential by the end, it's almost sad
because the idea of "wow, humans are the REAL monsters" is so done to death and boring. Sometimes I want to see characters go against a monster that's just going by it's instincts to kill and stuff
>Sometimes I want to see characters go against a monster that's just going by it's instincts to kill and stuff
Outside of man-made things like shitbulls literally no animal in real life has the instincts to "just kill and stuff" humans.
Creatures on the scale of the sea monsters of this movie wouldn't even see us as food, we're so small in comparison.
Monsters are not animals.
yeh no real animal but I'm talking about a destructive monster in a movie
Monsters that can't be reasoned with are so damn good, can't they understand that fans of the media just want to see monsters duking it out?
Please don't remind me of this shit, it was so bad
Is the monster male or female
That’s all I wanna know
This was basically a shitty woke version of How to Train Your Dragon and it ends with a woke 8 year old giving an ebin speech that makes the whole bus stand up and clap.
clapping bus?
A figure of speech mocking Twitter and Tumblr stories where the person writing claims to have called someone else out, and then all the people surrounding them applauded in agreement. These stories usually take place on a bus or some other crowded area that people cannot easily leave for an allotted amount of time.
The end of Sea Beast plays out exactly like some Twitter or Tumblr person's fantasies of having a captive audience where everyone is so moved / impressed by their words that they have no choice but to stand up and applaud. It's even more insufferable because it's a precocious little girl giving the speech, and the "woke toddler" is another favored Twitter / Tumblr cliche when they are making up tall tales for social media clout. Usually something like "my 3 year old niece was watching Elon Musk on TV and said 'if that bad man likes space so much, he should go to the moon and stay there!'"
Sometimes the two narratives are combined, where a woke and precocious young child says something the writer considers politically agreeable and then the captive audience applauds them.
Oh right, thanks for the explanation anon. I fricking hate that shit
>httyd
>not the exact same thing
go take your pills
HTTYD is literally about how your dad and the traditions he upholds are wrong and how going the complete opposite way and embracing your ancestral enemy is what you should do. It's not even subtle about it so I'm surprised it flies over so many people's heads. Moana did much of the same except your dad was lying about the real traditions because of his insecurities.
Just be thankful people who create this type of media aren't leading the charge to destroy other media while doing so.. YET.
In other words, be thankful the makers of this movie aren't actively telling people to destroy their copies of Monster Hunter.
>Anon's persecution complex is triggered by a kids' movie, now he thinks Big Kaiju is going to take his videogames away
No, just thankful we aren't living in that kind of world, although given how people can feel strongly about certain things and how people like to gravitate towards a "strong person" to get things done, who knows what will happen.
Given how you react, you're the kind of person who would clap of it DOES happen like that.
>implying that Big Kaiju isn't trying to destroy galactic society
Doesn't Mon Hun actually have a super pro environmental message though? The monsters are just animals and not malicious or evil, you just have to fight the giant fire dragon because due to circumstance its migration path will wreck the ecosystem.
Yes and no, some monsters a very few are genuinely evil. Majority of cases in their stories is stopping the bad monsters from causing huge issues with people/the environment/other monsters.
A Disney Filmmaker is doing a Netflix project?
Cause it was way better before they befriend the monster
>I mean, King Kong and Godzilla are the most famous giant monsters and they have themes of the humans causing all the issues in the first place.
Agreed. Kong lived peacefully on Skull Island until humans came, took him away from home and then caused him to get killed in a crushing majority of KK media.
Big G...this depends. In the original 1954 movie his rampage was caused by nuclear testings that mutated him and caused him severe pain.
In other movies onwards this varies to a massive degree (with Shin G being basically a modern retelling of the 1954 movie where this Big Gs existence is sheer suffering). But there was always something somewhere where humans were involved to various degrees and it all ended pissing off the atomic aquatic dinosaur.
Name four people who said that.
"Humans bad, monsters good" has become such a mainstream subversion in children's media that it has actually become more subversive to have "humans good, monsters bad".
what?
The big reveal at the end is that the sea creatures aren't evil, The Crown creates propaganda portraying them as monsters to ensure they maintain their rule. The creatures were only ever attacking in self defense when humans started hunting them and leave them alone otherwise.
Some weirdos on Cinemaphile got really mad about this, but there's historical precedence for it; humans have treated wolves and sharks in much the same way, villainizing and hunting them to near extinction to reap the resources of the land and sea.
There is historical precedence for it, but that doesn't make "muh monstar that killed a bunch of people is actually just misundarstud" any less of a tired and boring trope.
If that's really the argument "monster was just bad" is even more tired.
At least the main character is a man
I find interesting how nobody seems to realize that the word "monster" was originally (and pretty much exclusively until the 20th century) used to denote human freaks of various sorts, rather than freaky mythical beasts.
Okay I just started watching this
How tf did the captain survive drowning in the beginning?
at least it's got cute and funny
Lol wut? Basically in any modern shit big,scary and dangerous beast suddenly turns out to be good, misunderstood and peaceful creature or smthg like that, that trope is so overused, that I genuinly can't understand why people still intrested in watching that shit.
The dragon stood on the shore of the sea. And I saw a beast coming out of the sea. It had ten horns and seven heads, with ten crowns on its horns, and on each head a blasphemous name.
Revelation 13:1
Why on EARTH would you make this a kid’s film where the monster is “misunderstood”?! The sea beast is the ANTICHRIST FROM THE BIBLE!!!! People are mad because this is classic satanic deception from Hollywood
>gives description
>nothing like the monster of the movie
Also people aren't mad lmao.
>christian schizos are still wandering around
lmao I thought you guys disappeared like 15 years ago
That's a fun design
If that is really the case, they could have done a lot better with it. This movie sets up the sea beast hunting a lot more like a war than actual whaling. The plot is that the sea beasts are purposefully hunted to eradication because they are perceived as a threat. The problem can be solved as soon as the two sides realize that they aren’t threats to one another and just decide to stop killing each other.
In real life whaling and over fishing, the whales are hunted for the purpose of obtaining some kind of resource, which makes it a very different sort of problem. If people still want the resource it can be very difficult to tell them to just stop harvesting it.
Movie was charming and visually stunning, but lost its momentum by the halfway mark and ended in a very predictable way. The only actual characters were Jacob, Maisie, Capt. Crowe, and Sarah Sharpe, whereas everyone else was nothing more than a plot device. That small cast is gonna make The Sea Beast very forgettable within a month. Kinda weird that we were cheated out of Crowe's death twice: first with the Brickleback almost dragging him into the sea, second with the "price" Batterbie claimed he'd have to pay for using her shady monster weapon. Glad I watched it, but this film needed better fapbait.
I agree with this. Little to no fap material and I predicted the whole plot during the first 15 minutes.
Not a movie I'll support in any way, but it wasn't a torture to watch
>Red beasts attacks the ship and tries to kill everyone
>suddenly turns into a good guy
I mean, I'm not against the idea, but at least do it coherently
I feel as though a significant portion of the movie alone should have been trying to convince it and Jacob to put aside issues, and the whole reveal and finding proof/confronting the royalty should have been saved for another movie or something.
piss off and burn in hell, anti-imperialist scum
oh no le shitty pet
omg he's so cute and marketable
the little girl character isn't UOOOOOOH material but still cute
yeah clearly not uoooh enough
FRICKIN COLONISER!
WHOOP YO ASS!!!!!
this movie is literally a conservative movie pushing conspiracy views of the world, making kids believe that their world is a big lie and nothing is true.
You have no idea how big the next QAnon will be
NO MORE MONSTER HUNTER!
I had to pause the movie after they got dropped off on the island. Seeing the giant shell I expected to come back to them fighting and surviving an island of giant monsters. But then the girl made the blue monster her pet, and I thought, oh, it's gonna be that kind of movie, but then he chucked it into the jungle and I was relieved. Giant crab fight, nice, teaming up with the good monster against the bad monster, nice, keep the fight scenes coming, but then nothing. They rode the booger sub straight until the little girl gets hurt scene, and she recovers just in time for her Nancy Drew level mystery solve, humans are the real monsters speech, Clifford the big red fish, bullshit
>Clifford the big red fish
I keked
it was a metaphor for him giving up is humanity hhhhh
according to the 8 yo girl that definitely has the knowledge to differenciate male and female traits of sea monsters
Captain Crow owes the sea witch for the magic harpoon, did they follow up on that at all? Sequel bait?
They didn’t address it. But I don’t think they intend on a sequel either. There was a lot of material they rushed through right at the end that they could have saved fir a whole second movie if they’d really wanted to.
Is the monster female?
YESSIR
Nice.
>A Netflix Film
pass
first half of the movie was pretty sick tbh, well animated and i love me some monster battles and naval combat. ending was extremely dull and predictable, and tbh i thought the red monster's design was the least interesting of the few that actually got screen time.
made me go and instantly rewatch bad travelling as soon as i was done so i could get that energy back. any other recommendations for best naval and/or monster hunting Cinemaphilentent?
>any other recommendations for best naval and/or monster hunting Cinemaphilentent?
Jake and the Never Land Pirates.
It doesn't really take place on the open sea, nor is it about a "sea" monster (there is a monster, just not an aquatic one), but you should watch The Terror (season 1) if you haven't already. It has very much the same "feel" as Bad Traveling in terms of tone and moral dilemmas/tension.
Peter Benchley Creature is one I would reccomend, it's schlocky and often ignored, sadly it's just about a sea monster not so much on naval stuff so I don't even know if it could be enjoyed for what vibes you seem to want
Alright, now this thread is getting interesting…
Treasure Planet
If non-Cinemaphile recs are acceptable, then I highly recommend the book In the Heart of the Sea. Not the movie, though. The movie is terrible.
The book is some top notch non fiction about whaling, and in particular the whale ship that inspired Moby Dick.
"I hunt monsters, not study them," or whatever the guy said, ok so by the end of this he'll set out with the girl and the crew to study the monsters. A nice counter to the opening scene except now they're placing trackers with modified spears and brushing their teeth or some shit. Nope. Buys the farm, literally, "and we never explored or even left our shores ever again." What a fricking bummer of an ending.
Do you want me to forget all the humans who died eaten by monsters before the existence of the hunters?
>Godzilla are the most famous giant monsters and they have themes of the humans causing all the issues in the first place.
Gojira '54 does not have that messaging. It is about Japan's POV on the nuclear weapons (even though it was inspined by the Lucky Dragon and Fire bombings, but whatever) and the creation of something worse. It can be interpreted as "man is monster", sure, but Honda himself doesn't bring much attention to humans, the US in particular, for creating the monster. Godzilla's origin is mostly vague. Honda's Kaiju films actually have a theme of the "Brotherhood of Man". In that, there may be buttholes causing problems, but mankind will band together to help take down the greater threat.
Take your basic take to save a medicore kids flick elsewhere.
I fricking love the sappy trope of humanity joins together to fight a bigger butthole trope yet it feels no one does it well anymore
If only modern movie made it feel genuine instead of on the nose or subversive I could be having more fun, I don't know but the need to have a twist in most media just kills my enjoyment as it feels inorganic when it happens
It also feels that they oftenn go overboard with it too, if it was a once in a lifetime agreement between rivals that have now respect for each other but still go their separate ways after killing big bad I wouldn't have an issue but instead of that we suddenly go the we are friends because we killed the bigger butthole and all our bullshit is now under the carpet now don't ask questions kind of deal, I would have a bigger sense of respect for modern writers but they just don't know how to compromise, maybe it's just a me problem with media
>HUMANS are the real monsters!!!
Sounds like the most hackneyed theme you can have for this kind of movie.
Animals never had a war
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gombe_Chimpanzee_War
Big mean monsters arent scary anymore now that humanity has pounded nature into the ground
I was a little bothered how similar Red's design looked and felt to Toothless, especially in a story about humans learning that the fantasy beasts aren't so bad and that our protagonist learns to befriend it.
It was unique at the time to design a dragon using a jaguar as inspiration, but repeating it this way just kind of feels rehash-y. I would've preferred something closer to that green monster in the beginning, something that actually feels surprising if you were to learn that type of creature is not bloodthirsty. Red's cute curious face during the beach scene made it too obvious what the "plot twist" was going to be.
Exactly how I felt, these days you can ALWAYS tell the "good" monsters apart from the bad by how much less monstrous they look. It's like the animal equivalent of how you can usually instantly tell good from bad aliens/non-humans by how human they still look.
Yeah I have to agree. Don't get me wrong, it's a very cool monster design, but you're spot on in that it's way too similar to the cutesy look of Toothless that indicated "THIS CREATURE ISN'T EVIL AND IT'S JUST AN ANIMAL!!!" with big red letters.
If they had made Red out to be one of the bricklebacks or the giant enemy crab it probably would've stood out more.
I'd really love a movie where a guy just wants to kill a dragon for it's treasure.
No using the wealth to built 6 orphanage and save the starving village, no misunderstood dragon who's ready to change side after a little conversation. just a straight up monster being defeated and the hero taking the reward to better his own life.
Maybe The Hobbit would count?
Bro that was literally written in 1977
I didn’t see the word “new” in that post.
>animal, mildly intelligent, acts on instinct and responds to stimuli
>evil
it's not a dolphin or an otter, so it's probably not evil