>not letting anarchy reign is...le bad
>creating an educational system rather than relying on hermits is....le bad
>being a Christian is...le bad
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>not letting anarchy reign is...le bad. >creating an educational system rather than relying on hermits is....le bad
if that's what you got from the show anon idk what to say
It's the message
you're delusional if you think that's the message. did we even watch the same show? because the message i got from owl house was
>being lesbo.... le GOOD
Eda repeatedly made it clear that any kind of organized magic was bad and that everyone should just embrace chaotic neutral or whatever.
Not that she ever taught Luz magic oc
>is opposed to a foreigner ruling their land
so when /misc/ says it its okay, but when EDA is a PROUD FRICKING LIBERTARIAN AGAINST UNRIGHTFUL GOVERNMENT TAXES there's a problem?
1. /misc/ isn't libertarian.
2. Anarchism is cringe and we don't even know if Belos does taxes.
3. Belos oversaw a golden age for decades. He's as legitimate as a monarch can get.
>anarchism is cringe
kys glowBlack person
>we don't even know if Belos does taxes.
he has to pay his employees somehow
>Belos oversaw a golden age for decades. He's as legitimate as a monarch can get.
if by golden age you mean a fascist 1984 quasistate with conformatoriums that destroys native witch culture by forcing them into a coven system and feeding on their palismans just so he can massacre them all in the end... yeah there's your golden age bro
>glowBlack person
I also believe we should like dissolve the borders of the world and like smoke weed brooooo 420
Weed kind of makes me paranoid but pretty much yeah.
What a moronic schizo
>you're a glowie if you think being disorganized is bad
sorry but even if there's a revolution, your way is fricking stupid if it means capitalists form a state again and history starts a new cycle of stupid. stick to activism and b***hing on the internet. it's what you're good at.
>capitalists form a state
why the frick would i form a state
what's next for the boiling isles economy
>Why form a state
So that you and your unwashed hippie friends don't get jumped by Mexicans once you erase the border you pothead moron.
who's getting jumped? not me, anon. i might be a hippie, but i keep an iron on my hip. im friendly with anyone but a homie think he can jump me is gonna see god sooner than he thought
>Uh-uh, I nave a gun, I am literally INVINCIBLE!
Default homie thinking
capitalists were the ones who created the state, anon. you fricking idiot.
the first states in history are what we today would describe as right wing bloodline cults. before that, indigenous tribes engaged in slavery and property based social hierarchies.
moron.
>capitalists were the ones who created the state
what? states have already existed far before capitalism. the first time the term "state" to describe a political entity was used in a modern sense was in the 16th century during the age of mercantilism. the state has always existed. even though it's apocryphal the quote "i am the state" is funnily enough not attributed to palpatine but louis xiv, le sun king
one man's trash is another man's treasure
the first governments in history were not democracies, dumbass. they were run by people who owned property and had economic privilege. keep being intellectually dishonest
Eda isn't a small bussiness owner kek
She's a conman spinster who sells literal trash at a flea market.
Matthew Hopkins was a schizo loser, so naturally his fanboys like Phillip/Belos are as well. Makes sense.
Surprise that Belos didn’t spread Christianity across the isles
Because he's a shitty half assed strawman from a poorly written story that makes no sense, he's a very religious christian trying to save everybody souls so he would inevitably try to preach christianity to the witches who never heard of it.
But no, he will just genocide them instead for no reason.
>”witch hunters in real life weren’t just schizos rounding up spinsters and girls that they molested to kill and fuel their delusions, they actually totally spread the missionary cause as they got more than half of their towns killed.”
I’m very glad we live in a time where you types have little power.
"nobody has ever been a fanatic, everyone was just in it for personal power"
Dumb mindset but ok
Witch hunters had a very dumb mindset, yes, glad we agree.
You don't think witch hunters actually believed they were hunting witches?
>I’m not power tripping I’m just deranged
You act like that’s an improvement
The point of the character was clearly to be a reminder of christian zealots and how they were bad, what is totally fine, however his own actions contradict his own views, he clearly honestly believe that he wants to save everybody souls and he's clearly a very religious christian, so he would try to convert them first before going full genocide, he's poorly written.
>he clearly honestly believe that he wants to save everybody souls and he's clearly a very religious christian
No he didn’t and no he’s not. He was a sad little LARPer who used the same evil magic and would have continued doing so once he reached the human realm. Who has ever heard of a Christian using devil magic?
His brother was fine and he murdered him because he was clingy and desperate and didn’t want him to leave him for Evelyn, hence why he kept making grimwalkers of his. The show even spells it out that he’s a slimey weasel who says anything he thinks people want to hear to save his skin, hence the fakeout with Luz at the end. He doesn’t give a shit about souls or whatever, he wanted to be a hero and to be worshipped. He’s perfectly written to encapsulate the types who think Muh crusaders and Muh witch hunters were “le based, actually.”
>crusaders werent based
Ok atheist
See? Perfectly written representation.
Curious how you only fixate on Christian extremists. What do you have to say about Muslims or israelites?
>anons specifically citing Christian extremists
>”WH-Wh-WHAT ABOUT DA JOOS AND MUDSLI-“
If you lash out at people in the name of any higher power, especially when most of not all texts and general doctrines explicitly decry it, you’re a cuck. The examples are the ones that are brought up and alluded to, someone brought up suicide bombers and I said the same thing. Buddhists, Hindis, all of them. I simply think you should not kill people to resolve your insecurities, anon, and Phillip literally does this in the text. I don’t know what to tell you.
>No he didn’t and no he’s not.
Yes he did, the show never imply otherwise
>He was a sad little LARPer who used the same evil magic and would have continued doing so once he reached the human realm
>The show even spells it out that he’s a slimey weasel who says anything he thinks people want to hear to save his skin, hence the fakeout with Luz at the end
Those only show his strategy on defeating his enemies through deception not that he's corrupt.
>He’s perfectly written to encapsulate the types who think Muh crusaders and Muh witch hunters were “le based, actually.”
No he ins't, even 40k a series written by a bunch of british hippies show crusaders and witch hunters are villains but with actual realistic arguments with them either being extremists giving the people the chance of joining their religion or dying or corrupt nobles who simply want power at any cost and using the religion as propaganda with those 2 groups usually working together but constantly fighting each other as well.
>Yes he did, the show never imply otherwise
He started a cult of personality over being able to speak to The Titan, he very blatantly Does Not Care about saving souls via Jesus
>only show his strategy on defeating his enemies through deception not that he's corrupt.
You’re supposed to be LARPing a Christcuck, anon, no Christcuck thinks it’s okay to use pagan magic to “save souls” They still try and obfuscate the absorption of pagan holidays and customs in their current day customs to this day.
> o he ins't, even 40k a series written by a bunch of british hippies show crusaders and witch hunters are villains but with actual realistic arguments with them either being extremists giving the people the chance of joining their religion or dying or corrupt nobles who simply want power at any cost and using the religion as propaganda with those 2 groups usually working together but constantly fighting each other as well.
It just sounds like you want the character to be morally ambiguous to fit your personal tastes rather than the text making it clear where his true intentions were. You want to argue how his blatantly evil bullshit could actually be good like an epic contrarian, and the show not making it easier for you to do that to emphasize it’s own themes is not a sign of it being “badly written”, you’re just a gay.
>You’re supposed to be LARPing a Christcuck, anon, no Christcuck thinks it’s okay to use pagan magic to “save souls” >They still try and obfuscate the absorption of pagan holidays and customs in their current day customs to this day.
Very cool anon say hi to Wotan or whatever
>Le ebin soijak
So is casting pagan magic okay do as a Christian or not?
It's a cartoon you moron.
Obviously practicing magic irl would be bad for a Christian, but idt any Belos fan would defend every last one of his actions in the show. His use of magic to achieve his goals could be considered a lesser evil for the greater good.
Are you seriously demanding people apply strict theological standards to animated morality?
>e started a cult of personality over being able to speak to The Titan, he very blatantly Does Not Care about saving souls via Jesus
Those are his tactics to kill the witches because they are witches(they aren't literal witches but whatever)
>You’re supposed to be LARPing a Christcuck, anon
No I'm not? I'm not a christian.
>no Christcuck thinks it’s okay to use pagan magic to “save souls” They still try and obfuscate the absorption of pagan holidays and customs in their current day customs to this day.
You just gave an example of christians using pagans own religions to "save their souls" but in this case the christians used this deception so the pagans would turn into christians peacefully.
>It just sounds like you want the character to be morally ambiguous to fit your personal tastes rather than the text making it clear where his true intentions were.
No? I want the villain to make sense. If Belos was just a corrupt bastard it would be ok, if he was just an insane religious extremist it would be ok, if he was just a genocidal racist who wants to kill the elves it would be ok but in the end he's nothing.
>Belos was just a corrupt bastard it would be ok, if he was just an insane religious extremist it would be ok, if he was just a genocidal racist who wants to kill the elves it would be ok but in the end he's nothing.
I honestly think the religion thing is a forced meme that this board has adopted as part of the spreading cancer of Burger Civil War, but that's just me.
He's not a "brilliant deconstruction of crusader larpers" as plebbit atheists on here claim, nor is he a "based trad witch hunter", he's just poorly written and a let down.
"Haha exdee I'm actually just power mad and a hypocrite, wow!
Even Voldemort had more depth
Alright, so what would have been your ideal characterization of him be given you can’t radically change much about the show?
There are a couple different options off the top of my head.
1. Make his fanaticism genuine. Rather than it just being a cope he hides behind have him actually be the hellfire and brimstone corrupted templar meme. Don't pussyfoot around with random half assed proclamations about "souls" that he doesn't even mean. Not much has to change elsewise.
2nd Option: Make him less cartoonishly evil. Instead of murdering his own brother, have an actually evil witch(which we know exist), kill his brother instead. He's now trapped and hateful and wants to destroy the world that destroyed his life. That's another way. He's still evil and delusional but he has a reason beside cope to be that way.
Option 3: have him actually believe that the Day of Unity is somehow real, somehow. He genuinely believes that he's the good guy and that the rebels are evil. He's still a villain but he has genuine intentions. Maybe have Luz talk no jitsu him at the end into a sacrifice or something. The Collector was actually behind it all in this.
>Make him less cartoonishly evil. Instead of murdering his own brother,
Him choosing God over his brother isn't evil.
Not caring about your family is evil.
Matthew 10:34-37
34 Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.
35 For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law.
36 And a man's foes shall be they of his own household.
37 He that loveth father or mother more than me is not worthy of me: and he that loveth son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me.
When does God want us to commit fratricide or kill our family just because they lost their way?
Have you looked at Humanity?
>The Collector was actually behind it all in this.
So the Collector is the manipulator who fools the entire Boling isles and just a child version of Bill Cipher? OK then how do you going to defeat the collector because he’s capable of moving the entire planet with his fingertips and then with the version being a lot manipulative, you can’t trick him so easily.
Also, if you want to make him behind everything, I’m about to make the Collector shapeshift to be the Evil Witch and at least make his cult do it
>Also, if you want to make him behind everything, I’m about to make the Collector shapeshift to be the Evil Witch and at least make his cult do it
Yeh the Collector could be the guy who killed the brother, and then tricks Belos into thinking he can bring him back permanently via the Day of Unity or whatever
(Not sure how you'd fit Hunter into this version but I'm sure you could)
As for BEATING the Collector, well, a Titan put him in jail before, and King exists...? I'm sure they could come up with something.
I know is moron but what if Collector reveal themselves to grieving belos after his older brother death as Heaven Angel sent by God to helped him to go back home and "cleansed" the Demon realm
Maybe the Collector will read the Holy Book when the Brothers are a sleep and used it for his plan
These all sound like shit or retreads of other shows, sorry. I think the show's execution is better.
NTA, but I'd have him be a better executed Crocker; He always had interest in magic, but due to his upbringing, was forced to hide it. Wants to eventually reveal magic exists to Earth, but he wants to find a way for humans to naturally use magic, (not just glyphs) and spread/teach it to the rest of humanity. He eventually does, far long before Luz arrives and is nearly about to master it when she does.
Based on what OP posted, this Belos brought a societal advancement in the Boiling Isles, but in reality, he doesn't actually care for them. He's just using them as stepping stones for his true goal, and most of the improvememts he made was for his own leisure. He's not genocidal like in canon, just a master manipulater who when reaches his goal, will gladly abandond the Isles.
I'd still have him frick over the demons in some way due to him leaving, though. Maybe it's when the need him for something huge and he's the only one who can help them with it due to his extensive knowledge.
I would rather make a different character but the closest we got to a character like him that makes sense is Comstock from Bioshock Infinite.
Comstock is Belos done right
>is actually a 1/4 native american but looks fully white
>not really a religious person
>was forced to be a mercenary for the goverment due to lack of money
>his white friends think he was going to betray them after finding up he had a native american grandparent
>panic and volunteer to help with the executions of natives to prove he is loyal to the US
>is accepted by the white guys as a "based honorary aryan" or whatever and feels respected for the first time in his life
>war ends and he's now just seen as a war criminal by everybody, no one cares about any patriotic, white or christian crap because it's not convenient anymore for the rich businessmen and right wing politicians
>feels so guilty that he brainwash himself into thinking that white supremacy, nationalism and christianity are good and that he didn't kill all those people for nothing
>try to create an utopia based on racism, christianity and nationalism to prove his new delusion right and to be accepted again
I know it isn’t the right answer but I kinda missed the potential for the Collector being Psychopath childish kid who has the power of a God
Also sorry for the R*ddit tier picrel
Demons have been destroying religious characters like Papa (DITF) and Belos out of pure rage of Jesus's return. The former is in the wrong because he is mistaking a race of genetically corrupted humans as demons while the demons and fallen angels are manipulating him to provoke the wars in the first place. The latter outright was erasing magic entirely to prevent from corrupting humanity, even though he could theoretically and easily renounce magic entirely so these people can embrace their true creator, Jesus Christ, over their dead imposter.
The moon people are obviously agents of God, angels, sent to kill off the Nephilims.
What boggles my mind is how I haven't found any record of witch hunters being assassinated or otherwise dying under suspicious circumstances. You'd think the surviving relatives and/or friends would be pissed.
>I’m very glad we live in a time where you types have little power.
Revelations 19
11 I saw heaven standing open and there before me was a white horse, whose rider is called Faithful and True. With justice he judges and wages war. 12 His eyes are like blazing fire, and on his head are many crowns. He has a name written on him that no one knows but he himself. 13 He is dressed in a robe dipped in blood, and his name is the Word of God. 14 The armies of heaven were following him, riding on white horses and dressed in fine linen, white and clean. 15 Coming out of his mouth is a sharp sword with which to strike down the nations. “He will rule them with an iron scepter.”[a] He treads the winepress of the fury of the wrath of God Almighty. 16 On his robe and on his thigh he has this name written:
king of kings and lord of lords.
17 And I saw an angel standing in the sun, who cried in a loud voice to all the birds flying in midair, “Come, gather together for the great supper of God, 18 so that you may eat the flesh of kings, generals, and the mighty, of horses and their riders, and the flesh of all people, free and slave, great and small.”
19 Then I saw the beast and the kings of the earth and their armies gathered together to wage war against the rider on the horse and his army. 20 But the beast was captured, and with it the false prophet who had performed the signs on its behalf. With these signs he had deluded those who had received the mark of the beast and worshiped its image. The two of them were thrown alive into the fiery lake of burning sulfur. 21 The rest were killed with the sword coming out of the mouth of the rider on the horse, and all the birds gorged themselves on their flesh.
The Gospel is meant to be spread to every creature of the flesh. Those on their first life. The Fact the witches will renounce magic for order makes Belos's character so much more confusingly written.
have a nice day.
Luke 6:45 “A good man out of the good treasure of his heart brings forth good; and an evil man out of the evil treasure of his heart brings forth evil. For out of the abundance of the heart his mouth speaks.” Out of the heart your mouth speaks. In other words, what you speak and your actions reveal what’s really in your heart.
jeasus will win and he will forgive you.
Jesus can't forgive someone that doesn't repent to him. It's one-sided love and no piece of the Bride should be one-sided.
Why would you try to spread Christianity to what you perceive to be literal demons? They were beyond saving in his eyes, their evil was an inherent part of their being
>Why would you try to spread Christianity to what you perceive to be literal demons?
NTA, but the point of Christianity is to spread it until defeated. And then you leave the other side alone unless they frick with you with direct physical attacks .
A LOT of groups seem to miss the second part
>And then you leave the other side alone unless they frick with you with direct physical attacks .
>A LOT of groups seem to miss the second part
No. God makes it clear that Christians are supposed to slaughter sins and never ignore their rise.
Owl House makes no sense because Belos's society is willing to become magicless.
>God makes it clear that Christians are supposed to slaughter sins and never ignore their rise.
That's not what Jesus said or did, especially since he hung with non-Hebrews.
He was basically in "hell" surrounded by "demons" why would he even?
I doubt Disney would allow them to reference Christianity without someone getting an email.
Disney's logo literally has 666s all over it.
>forgot the curly top of the T in "walt"
they're stylized curlie Qs, dumbass
Correct, bozo. FRICK the government, FRICK the school system, and FRICK the church.
>not letting anarchy reign is...le bad
BI was doing pretty fine before Belos instituated his rule
>creating an educational system rather than relying on hermits is....le bad
Except his 'educational system' was just a limiter to people's magic and secretly a death trap
>being a Christian is...le bad
at no point in the show at all Belos says he kills witches for God, he does it because his hometown was full of them and if anything, he kills witches just to get respect and fullfill his own self-righteousness
tl;dr you're a Black personhomosexual OP
Having specialized witches is objectively a good thing actually.
why? that's like saying having multiple skills in real life is a bad thing
>a bad thing
Not inherently. But have you never heard of the phrase, "jack of all trades, master of none?"
Let's say I spend 40 years studying Illusion(or Abomination etc take your pick) magic and nothing but illusion magic ok? I'm really fricking good at Illusions. Really solid.
If a situation calls for Illusions, then I'm the guy and I'm gonna excel at it.
Person B spends 40 years learning a bit of everything. Yeh they may have more versatility overall, but they'd be outperformed by a specialist witch in any one area. Their only advantage would be if they needed to use multiple types of magic in a short period.
You don't need a crest that physically limits your ability to do other magic and that eventually kills you to just study and do better in one school if that's what you'd want to do, anon.
>Yeh they may have more versatility overall, but they'd be outperformed by a specialist witch in any one area.
and where's the problem in that? demons in BI dont have a secret competition for who's the best witch, they practiced whatever magic they feel more interested or proficient for and go from there
No, it literally made them weaker and shitter at magic in general, and Belos knew this since the Emperor's Coven (his personal guard) could do all magic. Specialization wasn't an actual thing in the Boiling Isles, it was just a limiter that would eventually kill them on the Day of Unity. That's it.
>>not letting anarchy reign is...le bad
They had a working system of self-governance that didn't cause any major troubles
an educational system rather than relying on hermits is....le bad
Apprenticeship worked for them and a school system that only allows individual tracks is basically the same thing but more complicated
a Christian is...le bad
Christianity never did any difference there and it wasn't instilled or even known of
>>not letting anarchy reign is...le bad
is it really anarchy if women and children aren't being raped in the streets? I'm sure everyone was doing just fine.
We didn't get an in-depth look at what the BI was like before Belos but we know it wasn't nearly as fricked up as he said it was.
>being a Christian is...le bad
The show never said that
He kept ranting about saving their souls later on so yeh he hated witches because he was a christian.
You don't necessarily need to be a Christian to believe in souls
>witch hunter in colonial New England
>Belos is actually right because he helped the people he ruled over prosper and brought order to the isles which benefits people and that's what you should do as a good leader
>Belos is in the right actually for wanting to kill all the people he rules over by deceiving them for years in a mass extermination event because they are monsters.
Which is it, Belosgays? You can't have your cake and eat it to. Was Belos a good and noble white christian leader with the Isle's best interest at heart, or was he le based gay demon killer with the witch genocide keikaku to murder all the people he ruled over? These two concepts directly contradict each other.
>Belos is actually right because he helped the people he ruled over prosper and brought order to the isles which benefits people and that's what you should do as a good leader
Objectively right for this.
>Belos is in the right actually for wanting to kill all the people he rules over by deceiving them for years in a mass extermination event because they are monsters
Less objectively right but by the time this plan was revealed the show was so gay it deserved genocide.
THIS. specifically the second point
Up top anon pp
Why was Belos all icky and eldritch anyways? I somehow missed that part. Was it because he was eating Palismans and it warped him Voldemort style?
yes
Yes, his soul literally rotted and with it his actual body.
You support Belos because hurpty durr hurr durr mental gymnastics.
I support Belos because witches are cringe and gay and killing them all improves the state of our shared universe.
We are not the same.
>"witches are cringe and gay"
>nazzy reaction pic
who's gonna tell him
I've never seen an internet nazi half as insufferable as a typical tumblr witch, tbh.
I'm always surprised to see Christian larpers on Cinemaphile of all places
It’s the new it thing to “ironically” be
A good chunk of the prolific ones like Matthew Hopkins were arguably capitalizing on histeria, I’m sure there were moronic true believers, but the big names probably got comfortable with the fame it brought them. Not like them believing their bullshit excuses it, anyways.
So by your logic, suicide bombers also are not fanatics, just in it to capitalize on hysteria?
I don’t know what you’re trying to prove here. If they believed their bullshit or not, it’s stupid to idealize them even ironically. Suicide bombers, witch hunters, etc, all unwell people who lashed out on their communities for one reason or another. This isn’t the gotcha you think it is.
>totally spread the missionary cause as they got more than half of their towns killed
What?
>This isn’t the gotcha you think it is.
>Witch hunters had a very dumb mindset, yes, glad we agree.
moronic redditor is also incoherent, much suprise very wow
Matthew Hopkins wasn't capitalizing on Hysteria
I'm not. This was the inevitable end result once culture war became the website's defining feature.
Or maybe Owl House is just a bad show? Do you defend Steven Universe to "own the conservatives" as well?
owl house is a bad show but the amount of christlarpers recently has been crazy
the only based crusaders were the third, both the crusaders and the saracens. and im an atheist
The First Crusade was extremely based, you clearly just have no taste.
fedora atheists have been shat on for being losers for the past ten years newbie, lurk moar
No. Becoming a Christian is literally the endgame of success.
Your posting on Cinemaphile so by default you lost
Reminder that this show only exist to promote racism
This show really hated straight men and promoted grooming
They hate white people because they aren't heavily and genetically destroyed by Demons yet. It's the original and pure state of mankind before everyone's ancestors thought that the fallen angels and the Nephilim were the greatest beings on earth.
are people forgetting Caleb was also most likely Christian and not only was a good guy but did a better job at promoting the values of peace, love and understanding by falling in love with a witch?
Caleb is completely irrelevant to the wider show and Hunter is emasculated completely so yeh people forget.
>Caleb is completely irrelevant to the wider show
>literally the reason why Belos went insane and thought making clones of him would ease the guilt of killing him
>and Hunter is emasculated
>saves Willow and Gus and plays a part in the finale by saving the puppets of BI residents
so you never watched the show
I think Philip skipped over reading about Cain and Abel as a kid
>Caleb was also most likely Christian
He almost certainly was, which is why it was such a betrayal when he fricked a witch
>but did a better job at promoting the values of peace, love and understanding by falling in love with a witch?
Peace is not a Christian virtue and has not been considered one for two thousand years. Love is a virtue when expressed for your fellow man, not actual witches you fricking moron.
>Love is a virtue when expressed for your fellow man, not actual witches you fricking moron
ah, so Belos was gay for his brother and kill the witch b***h out of jealously. got it
>can't think of love as anything except eros
Board tourists aren't sending their best, folks.
homie you worship a israelite on a stick, but i'm the tourist
homie at least he don't pray to a tree because he larps as a viking
What does that have to do with you being a sub80iq newbie, anon?
The n-word is a literal curse that allows demons to go in and dive into black people as vessels.
STOP USING IT! IT'S LITERAL WITCHCRAFT
Black person Black person
SWEATY Black person breasts
WHITE wiener IN Black person PUSSY
STROM THURMOND
MULLATO BABIES AHHHH NIGGGGER
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/EQGT9agG0gc
You should realize that this World has a God that trolls even on his death bed.
Jesus Christ is beyond us and his blood is still ALIVE!
God it feels good to be a homie
>Peace is not a Christian virtue and has not been considered one for two thousand years
Jesus literally tells his followers if they don't find converts or people to listen in the places they to go to leave them alone.
Source?
>but did a better job at promoting the values of peace, love and understanding by falling in love with a witch?
Jesus is coming to take his Bride and kill off what's left.
Peace is not an option in God's eyes. Peace only happens when you get rid of the problem for good.
Caleb is the one that God will toss to the pits of Hell simply because he sought his lust above the lord. Belos rejected the demons and only cared about protecting God's creations.
As a ruler Belos was very based, but that doesn't make his final plan less evil in context even if out of context its funny due to the BI being Tumblr Magical Realm.
What people on both sides of this thread don't seem to get is that Belos didn't actually care about religion.
For instance, there is a paradox in regards to his stated views on salvation. He says he wants to save souls, which is an admission that their souls can be saved.
But if he believed this, why wouldn't he have tried spreading actual Christianity? Instead he made a cult of personality around himself as the prophet of the titan. A pagan religion.
He also explicitly makes use of very VERY dark magic himself despite constantly decrying it as evil.(you could use the greater good defense here although combined with everything else it looks bad.)
He also you know, murdered his brother and clones of said brother.
Remember when Luz asks the Titan if there isn't some kind of link between her worldview and Belos's? She gives him the benefit of the doubt. The Titan points out that Belos doesn't ACTUALLY want to help people. He doesn't actually believe in the saving souls thing.
He's basically just used it as a cope to hide behind so that he doesn't have to admit he's a worse monster at this point than any demon is. The Titan says as much. His views aren't genuine. He just wants power. He's not an actual man of faith. He's not even a larper. He's just a Deceiver.
>But if he believed this, why wouldn't he have tried spreading actual Christianity?
Because he's a bad character, his entire plan was
>stay in some island that never heard of christianity
>turn into their leader with countless riches and power
>spend hundreds of years trying to convince everybody to accidentaly destroy themselves
>kill everybody in the island because they are "witches" even though they are not the literal witches he's supposed to hunt
>go back to his country where he will be a hobo again
Then Luz gave him the choice to either live or die with everybody and he still didn't give up his plan, he was willing to die for his plan but apparently he just greedy as well.
This. The writers never really thought about it beyond "ebil because white and crischun!"
Empress Luz!
sex
Doesn't even Luz pray at one point early on? Embarrassing for Belos tbh. Getting outdone by a tumblr troony Mexican.
Him and his stupid ass Hollow Knight helmet. You think he wouldn't be able to get back up if he fell down some stairs.
Reminder Dana went to Catholic school and Belos and his coven are basically the pope and the cardinals
Tldr people just want Belos to have motivations beyond vaguely wanting power and hating magic
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an educational system rather than relying on hermits is....le bad
i think like they originally wanted this message but Eda doesn't teach Luz anything and Luz ends up learning from the school
maybe someone higher up wanted more Harry Potter
Its also notable that they rebuild Hexside in the final episode. They just open a seperate school for wild magic.
Honestly not entirely clear what the difference between wild magic and non path-locked normal magic is but yk
Everybody seems confused on if Belos is a literal witch hunter or if witch hunter means elf killer in the Owl House universe and is a more racial thing than religious.
To be fair it's quite confusing since Luz want to be a witch so it looks like the word is used to describe both a species and a job? When Belos said "this is for the good of your souls" was he talking to everybody including the witches or just Luz and Hunter?
The thing with it being racial is that Belos is from the HUMAN world. Why would he identify as a witch hunter if he just meant it as a racial thing? Witches aren't a race in the human world.
>Witches aren't a race in the human world.
And there is a fact that humans can become witches and practicing magic.
The elves will reject magic if Belos says its bad.
>The elves will reject magic if Belos says its bad.
Yeah that really bothers me, the guy went as far as controlling all magic and forcing everybody to follow a new religion and it worked, so why not christianity?
I think they said he was fooling himself.
>I think they said he was fooling himself.
You mean the writers are scared of referencing Jesus Christ.
>so why not christianity?
Cause Dana wants a magical society in a "holier than thou" society that hates magic.
The devil is seething about the fact that men like Belos go to Heaven for killing human witches in Jesus's name and it's a part of the covenant the Forefathers and Pilgrams have made with God.
AKA, don't be a Jontron or mess with George Washington's stuff because God will slowly be building up tons of anger against you.
The only thing he did wrong was losing.
>not letting anarchy reign is...le bad
this is unironically used more often as a defense used to support tyranny than it is a sincerely held belief
at best, it implies a belief that all men are inherently violent and selfish and must be controlled
which then begs the question: why is the man leading them better?
>pretending to be upset a heretical Pilgrim frick was sent to the lake of eternal fire
What did the Pilgrims do that was so bad?
Be Protestant, I'm assuming (NTA)
So, uh, lore question.
Whose even in charge now? Are they all just an autonomous hippie wizard society? Hunter should have been the new Emperor tbh.
Frick having an emperor
Us witches should have a people's coven in which all the magic is distributed evenly. Let's call it covenism
How did Belos convince everyone to stop using any type of magic they wanted? And only he can do it? How did he convince them to make him Emperor?
That shit would take a lot of work and time and convincing especially from the ground up.
By showing off the natural consequences of using it, possession and curses.
There was literally an episode about this. He had a charismatic way of speaking and convinced the coven system would make them stronger. By the time he started doing that as Belos, he was in cahoots with the Collector who gave him the glyphs to perform feats of magic to back up his claims. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8wA7_TLvGaA
>That shit would take a lot of work and time and convincing especially from the ground up.
It did. He's been around for a long time and used up a shitton of grimwalkers, man. If you watched the show, it literally spells it out for you.
>How did Belos convince everyone to stop using any type of magic they wanted? And only he can do it? How did he convince them to make him Emperor
No offense but did you watch the show? He did false flag terrorist attacks by wild witches in order to convince people that magic needed to be controlled.
He also claimed that the Titan spoke only to him and that the Titan said magic needed to be put into singular paths. It worked because Belos is charismatic and people were scared.
Also he was overall very good at ruling so unless you were fixated on wild magic no real cause for complaint.
He also jailed fanfiction writers which was kino
>No offense but did you watch the show?
Anon, it's very evident more than half of the people on this, no, on this site, who do not watch/read/play/listen to whatever the frick the discussion is about. We are trapped in an Infinite Tsukuyomi of shitposting.
>who do not watch/read/play/listen to whatever the discussion is about.
I had a situation where someone tried to tell me the overly mediocre Franxx manga was better than the anime, and he couldn't name a single highlight for the manga acted like I was cringe for being a "Franxx Fanboy".
I also destroyed him with the words of God and it made him super mad.
This world is filled with crazy people.
Imagine if they were hearing the voice of God and mistaken him as a Titan.
I personally found the fact he engineered the entire thing a bit...petty, honestly. Like he already had a following willing to bomb a city as part of a gay-op even prior to being Emperor. I'd have preferred he actually stepped in during genuine chaos, so his act would be even more convincing due to being grounded, but oh well. Wild Magic dindu nuffin
>No offense but did you watch the show?
No I don't watch gay shit this is why I have gays like you to explain shit to me. I am the same Anon.
I mean ngl I only watched this show so I could talk about it on Cinemaphile.
And yes it was just as insanely homosexual as you are thinking. Probably even more so.
First this
. But I don't think it was easy. It took 250 years to take power. Some stuff that is missing is the shitstorm that happened 50 years ago, which allowed a cult leader to take power.
But it would be mostly filler.
So at some point we will discuss the show and not trade jabs over Jesus good or Jesus bad right
Does anyone have that fanart of Philip vs Caleb in the fire, but it's Philip staring down at him in a fiery blaze?
It looks similar to this artwork
This anon?
That is REALLY GOOD, but sadly, it is not it. It was positioned, at an angle. So you saw Philip physically standing over Caleb, his full body, not just the face. Thank you. Will save this too.
Maybe this one anon
Neither of these. I meant to say that the drawing was in a realistic and graphic art style, it was honestly very frightening. Like this
Or this
Enjoy my funny lil edit
Yes I'm aware of the irony
belos should marry collie!