Now that the DCEU is officially dead, what should it have done differently? Could it ever have been as big as Marvel was?
Now that the DCEU is officially dead, what should it have done differently? Could it ever have been as big as Marvel was?
Now that the DCEU is officially dead, what should it have done differently? Could it ever have been as big as Marvel was?
>Could it ever have been as big as Marvel was?
No.
There wasn't room for people to care about both.
It could have been if they beat the MCU to the punch and had the foresight to use the momentum from the Nolan Batman movies to develop them into a cinematic universe. By the time the MCU was already established it was too late.
>It could have been if they beat the MCU to the punch and had the foresight to use the momentum from the Nolan Batman movies to develop them into a cinematic universe
They tried. WB originally wanted to back a dump truck full of money into Christian bales driveway for bvs but Nolan convinced them that the snyderverse and his Gotham didn't really make sense together.
BVS was already way too late, that was when the MCU was at its absolute peak.
I'm saying their only window of opportunity was when the Nolan films were actually new and used those as a foundation for a DCEU in that world. At this point the MCU would have already been in the works but that Batman trilogy was king of the capeshit world in the 2000s. By the time MCU phase 1 was over they had no hope of competing.
>Could it ever have been as big as Marvel was?
No. The MCU is genuinely an aberration to just about every rule there is in how to make successful blockbusters. They use characters people aren't familiar with, they make shitloads of sequels that often make more money than the previous installment, they have convoluted long running plotlines, they start filming without scripts, and so on. Audiences simply latched onto the series early and remained fairly invested in the series for more than ten years.
i recently rewatches most of the MCU up to endgame, and it boggles my mind how great some of them are despite eberything working against them.
and WOW ant man 2 and captain marvel suck worse than i remembered. iron man 3 at least had some visually impressive scenes
I think guardians of the galaxy was the best which is why they wanted him at DC
GotG is damn good that's for sure.
Honestly civil war and the winter soldier were the best
They only got the animated stuff right, the vision for the live-action films has always been all over the place. I don't know if because of the "simpler" stories in the animated films, that the animation studios better understand how to give the client what they're looking for or what, but there's a gulf in quality between the two and it's not even close.
Their animated stuff has been shit since the 2011 reboot, like the comics
>dipshits posting about capeshit in a Dobson thread
real newbie hours
who tf is Dobson?
A homosexual
The most handsome bear I have ever seen
Andrew Dobso, professional artist. Traces pictures of Big Ben.
A literal cuckold.
Lmao, the left everyone.
Reminds me of that giant fat moron with the cross eyes that hates White people that got BTFO online by being a creep.
A Disney fan
Lurk for 4 years before posting
a man with an inflated ego
This. Cinemaphile is dead, it's just Twitter tourists scrounging For le epic comments to get likes and retweets from.
Every time I hear about the name Dobson I think of that Ku Klux Klan rally where they had the black baby puppet
Batman vs Superman was a really exciting idea at the time, they wanted to do something different rather than copy marvel. It was really Justice league where it went wrong, yes the theatrical cut was worse but it was never really what it should’ve been
>Dobson
Dobson being a 40 year old man still drawing strawmen caricatures of his middle school bullies will never not be funny.
>Dobson being a 40 year old man still drawing strawmen caricatures of his middle school bullies will never not be funny.
He learned from the best, but is just a pale imitation. Rumiko Takahashi never got over high school, and all her comics are a reflection of that. Her self-insert has adventures and romances, and her bullies suffer.
Dobs is a poor loser in his parent's bsaement, and Takahashi is a rich woman. It's all about tlaent and implication.
I never got that from Ranma 1/2 so it's probably more about not letting your personal baggage get in the way of telling entertaining stories.
Rumiko is also talented and funny, but everything she does is wish fufillment for her. She's bi or gay, and Ryunosuke and Ranma is her exploring that. The rest is her femcel seething at men, and romance fantasies.
So Dobson learned from a femcel huh, and Rumiko’s probably a main source of women being pissy and hitting men and yelling hentai at them and such
In manga, I mean
Takahashi is good, she studied storytelling under Kazuo Koike
Yeah she’s great I wasn’t complaining, but she did probably popularize women screaming and smacking men as a fun way to be, at least to western anime fans. I knew at least two girls in 2002 who replaced their personality with Kagome and girl Ranma, they liked to pop off, and they liked to hit people when they got embarrassed
Godai was a gay for not fricking Akemi, but especially a gay for not fricking Yagami.
Yes, most hack web-comic artists from the late 90's to early 00's were just ripping off Rumiko. Dobson is just a hold-over from that era. Pretty much everyone wanted to make some slapstick adventure story back then after they read Ranma.
This was such a fun era, back before anime was completely ubiquitous. It was interesting BECAUSE it wasn't the standard, now it's all you see anywhere and it's boring af
I always laugh with this picture. There's something so sad but so sincere about drawing your own characters beating up worldwide popular characters. It's like a schoolyard argument between kids.
The funniest part of this is how all of the anime characters getting beat up are recognized all over the world and then you have dobson’s characters who are just
>blonde guy in a red shirt
>black haired girl in jeans
>the most generic pirate captain imaginable
>and some thing that was probably traced from marsupialami
And the only people familiar with those are the people who make fun of him.
>Dobs had huge e-fame yet couldn't figure out how to monetize it
He's dumb and also not much of a grifter. Just good at having dumb opinions, and being loud about it.
>brags about playing Skyrim at 15 frames a second
Bless that moron
I liked Man of Steel, they were never able to capture the energy of the fight scenes from MoS in any of the other DC movies.
>DAWN OF JUSTICE!
I am genuinely confused as to the point of that comic.
He's done an unbelievably bad job expressing it, but I think it's supposed to be that older audiences...
You know what, I don't know either dude
Batman v Superman. v., like a court case, right before "Justice" League!
DCEU was a hangable offense
>ywn see an autistic duel between Dobson and Moviebob
Dobson would cave in immediately out of pressure and start shyly agreeing with Moviebob, who is presumably louder and more obnoxious
They would agree on everything though.
Rare Dobson W
DC characters are boring, simple as.
>Superman: basically invincible and can't be challenged without lame plot setups
>Wonderwoman: same as Superman but with breasts
>Aquaman: same as Superman but restricted to the ocean
>Flash: he can run fast, big woop
Only Batman is interesting becaus he is entirely human with no special powers and had interesting flaws that can be exploited. DCEU was dead from the start no matter what they did.
>durr superheroes are only interesting if they’re powerless even tho Batman is basically invincible and could easily kill the whole JL he has flaws guise
>no it’s not because I project on Batman
Just shut up
The whole fricking point of superheroes is you know they're going to win, dumbass
Otherwise why come up with superman and give him basically limitless power? Just write cop movies if you want normal people going up against criminals.
Glad the pajeets have got this shit figured out for now, every weekend they've got a new action flick where the hero can like throw trucks at people and there's just no fricking chance the bad guys are winning, and they're all shitting their pants about it too
Frickin kino
You got two replies bucko
homie spittin TRUTH
What make Superman interesting is Lex Luthor.
Then why are DC's cartoons consistently kino?
This is fricking stupid
Marvel's entire success as a comic book publisher was founded on their characters being more "real" and relatable than those from DC, this isn't just the opinion of some guy on the internet but historical fact
>Marvel's entire success as a comic book publisher was founded on their characters being more "real" and relatable than those from DC
Yes. This is true. It's not my opinion, it's the reason Marvel overtook DC. It's not a statement about Marvel comics being good, it's a historical statement of what happened and why. You don't have to like capeshit to acknowledge facts. Ignorance and incredulity are not counterarguments.
FACT: Marvel characters were more relatable to the audiences. This cannot be changed by smug pepes. Smug pepes who mock me with their effortless superiority. God I hate you. I HATE YOU
You're fricking dumb, dude
Why are you so desperate in trying to deny something that was accepted as fact since the 1960s?
You don't know what you're talking about, you stupid female
>since the 1960s
>Marvel's entire success as a comic book publisher was founded on their characters being more "real" and relatable than those from DC
>1960s
When do you think the comics started?
Marvel Comics didn't sure as shit start in the 1960s
No, mate. Marvel characters weren't more relatable to audiences. SPIDER-MAN was more relatable to audiences.
Marvel's strategy when making movies was simply to make all of their superheroes act like Spider-man.
Not him but dc has out performed marvel comic sales before, and they definitely didn't start strong. That being said, that IS how they were marketed (they are more vulnerable therefore relatable), you're right in that regard.
Lobo.
Marvel has zero (0) characters as complex and good as Superman.
The only good ones: Spiderman, Wolverine, Punisher, That's all
>Ironman - poor version of Batman
>Thor -poor (shit) version of Superman
>Black widow - literally just a woman
>Captain America - shit version of Superman morals, no interesting powers.
etc
The only reason why Avengers were a success because Disney was first at formula. Literally all Avengers movies are trash. Just rewatch the first one. It looks like tv-show
There is nothing human about Batman.
I'll believe alien magic before believing all the bullshit Batman does
>don't hire Snyder
>hire James Wan to head it up
There that would have fixed most of the problems.
DC would have beat MCU at its own game since audiences were already hyped for capeshit and DC had more well known characters
>bbbbbut aqua man is a joke
people know who he is which is more than you can say for most of the marvel characters
Should the old man fan know that half of super hero comics are hero’s fighting each other over some stupid misconception only to make up and team up at the end
The idea behind them fighting was meant to be shocking because it was assumed the reader knew of their long history as friends in the golden age of comics
>what should it have done differently?
First of all no Snyder and no Batman vs Superman.
Superman, WW, Batman and JL movies every 3 years, if you have the need of the JL as the 4th movie introduce Flash, Arrow and Aquaman in the first movies as small roles / glorified cameos.
As tv shows you can make Outsiders, Suicide Squad and Arkham.
Other movies that could work > Justice League Dark, Teen Titans, Green Lantern, FLash, Aquaman, Hawkgirl, Gotham Academy, Dial H for Hero, House of Mystery, Terrifics, WildC.A.T.s, Mystery in Space, Justice Society of America, Nightwing, Mister Miracle, Red Hood, Animal Man, Lobo, Forever People, Detective Chimp, Gen13.....
We've already had Detective Chimp.
Just bring back Christian Bale and Christopher Nolan to oversee it. It's not about creative control or integrity, they just didn't get paid enough to return.
Unite Henry Cavill's Superman with Christian Bale's Batman and that's it. DC could have ended Marvel if they brought in TDK in their universe to help with it's legacy. MOS and TDKR are basically in the same universe anyway.
>Crapman vs Pooperman
do Americans really?
They should've let it grow organically like the early marvel movies. They didn't set out to make that huge story arc, it grew into it due to successes.
They absolutely had a road map to the avengers. It changed a bit as time went on (Favreau was out after iron man 2 instead of directing avengers etc) but they weren't just shitting out movies for giggles. There was a real, focused plan to build up to the first avengers movie.
After the successes. The post credit scenes with fury were a lark initially. Once Thor was a success, everything else started to fall into place.
DC started with we want a DCU, make it happen. it failed, end of story.
>what should it have done differently?
Not hired Snyder
Not rushed to the team up and realised Avengers did so well because they developed all the characters first
Not hired Snyder
Too much capeshit discussion not enough dabbin' on Dobson
There's nothing more to say about the Son of Dob
>butterfry
It should have started with a PERIOD PIECE where Superman is a nearly 1:1 with the George Reeves b&w show. SET IT IN THE 50's, After WWII is long gone so we don't have to worry about that.
He's just a beefy dude who can fly and life cars and he's a local celebrity in Metropolis. THEN BRAINIAC ATTACKS and it gets serious for a second, but, we do sci-fi doohickery, and they're both lost in the Shadow Realm or whatever.
Next movie is basically any random Wonder Woman thing you want in the 1970's. MAYBE, try to emulate that old show but I'm not as 100% on that as I am with George Reeves's Superman. You get the opportunity regardless.
Then we just put The Joker and The Batman back to back, they already exist, both are already period pieces, though The Batman is ostensibly "Modern Day," then we move on to SUPERMAN AND BRAINIAC COME BACK FROM THE SHADOW REALM! Now we've got most of our Justice Leeg.
>what should it have done differently?
First 5 years absolutely no crossovers or even mentioning one hero inside another's film. Do a full Superman trilogy, a Wonder woman pair of movies, a Batfleck movie or two, and maybe an Aquaman. Completely blue-ball everyone, and avoid even answering if they will ever team up. Then, after that, watch everyone flip when they finally put of the teaser for the justice league film.
That's still snydershit nobody liked
They had 2 movies before the Justice League movie, meanwhile Marvel had 5. It was really stupid and you could they were trying to rush towards Justice League especially in the later half of Batman Vs Superman. They didn't even have a solo Batman movie, how stupid is that.
>dobson had to move in with his parents due to his failed "artist" "career"
>he got banned from twitter despite being a leftist
>his parents banned him from using the internet after he cost his brother a job
No proof of the first and third claim. Just made up
I like his artstyle here. Shame he is such a fricking homosexual.
All these years later I still don’t understand this comic.
Holy frick, that's the closest Dobson has ever come to making a coherent argument about something
I would make it fun to watch.
>Now that the DCEU is officially dead,
it was never alive.
dobson was right!
i hope wherever he is in heaven, he's healing
the JigCU can't come fast enough
not hire that moron snyder in the first place
I miss Dobson, bros.
Son of Dobs always latches onto the most random ass shit. Aria is an okay film, but not some classic. Why not show them something like Beautiful Dreamer?
>Could it ever have been as big as Marvel was?
Never. I never liked the MCU but it was lightning in a bottle. It’s like trying to compete with Star Wars back in the 70s. For DC it was damn if you do and damn if you don’t. If they stuck with Snyder and his structure people would and did hate it because it wasn’t Marvel. If they copied the Marvel from the get go and never hired Snyder, people wouldn’t care because the original MCU was right there and would just see DC as a bootleg version. Their best bet would’ve been and still is to do what Todd Philips said and just make creative stand alone films, especially now that cinematic universes and the MCU tone and aesthetic is quickly falling out of fashion.
OH BOY! DAWN OF JUSTICE!
I'M GOING TO RAPE THAT FEMALE COSPLAYER AT THAT TABLE OVER THERE!
LITRERALLY every single lefty comic ever made is just some imaginary scenario that has never happened the “artist” made up to prove some non-existent point that ultimately never even gets put across. Every one.
I think it was much better than marvel in that it died quickly and got out of the way
>what should it have done differently?
made fewer batman reboots
made harley and joker less rainbow-colored
make henry cavil play superman with his mustache
make batman solve mysteries, he's supposed to be a detective