Aside from Ollie being a wet blanket of a character:
>show production was so far in advance that Disney had already decided to cancel it by the time it finally premiered >relatively expensive to produce (in a pandemic) >people would rather argue over the latest live-action remake than try a new original cartoon >Sharon went under the radar and failed to save the show via r34
They really were. And not just the overarching ones but the one offs as well. Season two had too many messes compared to how little episodes they had per season.
I genuinely dont know why they didnt just make Maxwell a villain. Who at the board of directors at Disney is gonna look at Maxwell and not immediately just go "LE WHITE BUSINESS MAN BAD!"
You want Andrea to be a girlboss so damn bad you give her parents more shit to do. You read the S3 scripts and you realize that Maxwell never found out that his company tanked itself because of Andrea. You'd think he'd disown her or just hate the McGee's out of spite because Andrea went from his money making machine to what literally financially ruined him
Activist EPISODE directors pushing their garbage, and passive SERIES directors not overseeing that the project remains cohesive.
I blame both, but the reason we got that garbage was ultimately Bill and Bob's for not saying "lol wtf is this, write it again"
Honestly it's baffling that writers are not held accountable when producers spend 10-20M on a season for stuff like this, and writers do some unwatchable garbage that kills it.
Then again, most of the money sent to the TVA department is money that needs to be burned to pay less taxes later anyway, so I guess they don't strictly care what garbage is output as long as the money is gone before the fiscal year ends.
>all the main characters look half their age >THE main character is a twofer minority >main supporting female character looks like she's trans >no merchandise to support the show >no coombait for anyone besides pedos
Yes, she was a one shot character who never ever ever appeared again, and the israeli sweater shy girl is actually much more notable and given all of the attention forever.
According to Motz, the show got canned due to low income. Disney does a view/algoythm thing which determines it's profit share from streaming subscriptions. Because the show was so deeply pirated, the income alotment for the shows production went down the shitter. The show needed more merch.
As for show quality... could have had more Libby and more SharonxHusbandwithname romance.
Daryl didn't need to exist and his plots were fruitless.
Sure, that's what Billbob said but no one really believes piracy is what did it, right? That's ridiculous. Hell, he even said it himself. Not enough people watched it. The piracy thing was some nonsense he tried blaming after admitting viewership was too low.
Again, who dumps 10 Ep's of your debuting season on the app and then you reupload all those same Ep's you just dumped on the app on the Cable.
You either want ratings or you want your algorithm to favor in increased subscription numbers Disney its either one or the other you can rag on the one that is struggling if theyre bothing failing at the same time
It just shows you want your show to fail.
3 months ago
Anonymous
That initial season one episode dump actually did pretty well TV ratings wise for the time. That wasn't a great release schedule, but it wasn't the worse deal either. Going back to weekly releases picked things up pretty well anyway for the first season. Season two numbers were just worse and worse as the series went on. It's wild seeing just how bad they started to get and seeing BillBob clearly trying to hype up episodes they seemed to think would be big ones like the Libby's dad episode only for them to be some of the lowest rated of the series' history was a ride.
3 months ago
Anonymous
Dude
When Cinemaphile finally completed the Mega that had every single S2 Ep all neatly sandwiched together and I breezed thru the whole season I was shaking my head wondering how in the frick Cinemaphile sat thru this stupid bullshit week to week and during the long hiatuses where the next Ep's that would drop would just be more stupid bullshit
You know how much of S2 you could lump in with S1 and you could straight up gaslight people and tell them this was all just one massive season all interconnected with one another
thats kind of the point bro, who in their right mind wouldn't want to be a white privileged rich girl with a right to be narcissistic because she really is that much better than everyone else? i mean duhhh
I wanted them to play around with the idea of Andrea being an entitled shithead some more. I wanted them to do this more with Pacifica as well but at least we have some evidence of Pacifica relishing in the idea of acting like a bad person even if it was for appearences sake
The worst things Andrea ever did was letting her father consider the idea of destroying the Brighton Forest to expand Davenports (which never happens) and ruining Molly's Horror Movie to make as an advertisement for Davenports.
She should have been more antagonistic especially at the Slumber Party. Have her make comments like "Ew. You have LAST YEARS TOYS mine are all mint conditioned never removed from box."
3 months ago
andrea davenport
that would've been so totally amazeballs, and i feel the same way about pacifica. mean girls are my favorite archetype but i never feel like they get ~enough~ time to be mean now before suddenly being redeemed and either mega blandified like amity or made barely relevant like brittany, pacifica, andrea. bonnie stays pretty much herself throughout KP tho which is pretty coolness.
luckily i rediscovered rugrats recently which has plenty of episodes of angelica being openly antagonistic i just wish there was like, more of this sort of thing. your example was perfect, if i ever was able to make my own cartoon the mean girl would for defs be a main character and i'd totes bring you on the writing team!!
3 months ago
Anonymous
I'd argue that Angelica mellows out a bit. She's kind of herself in All Grown Up but not nearly as bad as she was in the original series
But going back to Andrea does she actually care about her family or did her father made her change her goals in life?
3 months ago
andrea davenport
tbf i haven't watched much of the later angelica episodes past season 4 or so either, like i tried watching that movie where tommy's little brother is born and god is it insufferable. but she still has like, a lot of episodes focused on her before that.
andrea defs wants her family's love and approval which is why i like the idea of her growing closer w/ them and becoming otherwise worse in her narcissistic attitude
>main supporting female character looks like she's trans
Does Libby really give you those vibes? I mean, I sort of get it but I don't know if that would be my first thought.
Honestly this is a big one. Hated the art style. Never want to see ugly character designs. The worst is idiots who watch ugly art style shows like Phineas and Ferb, Amphibia, Owl House, etc. Do they vary yes but are the art styles legit good? Hell no. These art styles make Hazbin Hotel and Helluva Boss look good and those are not good either.
It's a huge visual turn off to see all these ugly art style cartoons and worse when they try to do drama with these stupid looking characters Adventure Time in particular is seriously guilty of this one. homie I can't take stick figure noodle arm trash seriously I don't care about your soap opera drama with such stupid looking characters.
Dude have you seen Cinemaphile? So long as a cartoon stars a female character like Hilda or Ladybug the subhumans here are happy because they are grooming statutory child rapists. These buttholes here are content so long as an ugly art style vegana is thrown their way which they will jerk off to with Off Model Art.
Really want a damn good cartoon. Give me the days of Dan Vs or something.
>These buttholes here are content so long as an ugly art style vegana is thrown their way which they will jerk off to with Off Model Art.
Explains ENA.
>Guise. I have a great idea for a character that everyone will naturally love because this trope is loved by virtually everyone
>She's rich >She's a spoiled brat >But wait a second, she's actually not a spoiled brat >She just has self esteem issues >Which actually isnt true at all because baring one minor scene of her father ignoring her for a whole 10 seconds Andrea bonds really well with her family >Only she doesnt because she realizes her father is a selfish butthole and her original beliefs were based on lies >BUT WAIT SHE STILL LOVES HER DAD AND WANTS HIM TO CHANGE >OOPS SERIES CANCELLED
No direction. Zero fricking focus on what Andrea's character was suppose to be. How many times does Cinemaphile and /trash/ need to have this discussion on what they think Andrea's character is if everyone has a radically different and most of the time wrong and off target guess which results in the one character that everyone cares about having no motivations whatsoever
I take it back. Andrea was never Diet Pacifica. She's Diet Brittany from Star Vs. She is a character everyone loves and wants to see more of but once she's on screen the writers go "Welp. Its Andrea. She's here. We're done here."
>When the rejected S3 scripts were leaked there were documents about how virtually none of the writers liked Tammy because its a bad image of having a light brown villainous tomboy be a gigantic hate sink character even tho none of the actually people watching the show thought this was the case >There were people who were open to the idea of wanting Andrea and Tammy
Im convinced all the women in charge of HR were once bullied by actual stacies and then when they were put in charge of HR they became bitter hags who think theyre Stacy's which is why they bring this trope up only to subvert it later
Andrea being the president of the Geode club and this NEVER being brought up again is arguably worse then whatever stupid problem the writers had with Tammy getting popular very quick
>We want Andrea to have her own side subplots that literally STOP the plot whenever possible >Wouldnt this mean that Andrea is technically apart of the main cast >frick no >not only is she not a member of the main cast >All those Ep's dedicated to Molly wanting to give Andrea a chance >Was literally just foundation work for Andrea to move on from Molly and Libby as her fake temporary friends to focus all her time and energy into her one true friend / lover >WHO IS MORBIDLY OBESE ON TOP OF THAT
I still remember that /trash/ thread. I dont even support shipping Andrea with Molly but virtually ANYTHING would have been better.
>also she's really pissy about her name being pronounced wrong. Like it's her defining character trait. The entire second episode is about how pissy she is about it and how she destroys peoples' lives over it >actually, let's just have everybody say her name the correct way for the entire rest of the series.
Andrea needed to be humbled more. If the only plan they had for her was to reveal how underneath her crippling addiction to social media is just a very empty meaningless existence there should have been a character whose sole purpose was to bully Andrea and make her life miserable not even caring about the optics of it because this character will tell not only her but everyone in the school that she hates her and she doesnt derserve to be happy
Think about it. Molly gets humbled countless times. Libby had the worst one which involved Andrea OFF SCREEN which is literally never acknowledged or mentioned again because Molly is the mitigator now so its totally different.
>Which actually isnt true at all because baring one minor scene of her father ignoring her for a whole 10 seconds Andrea bonds really well with her family
I don't think they wanted them to be particularly bad parents, just cartoonishly shallow and borderline autistic when it comes to actually understanding and bonding with Andrea. Like the Saving Christmas episode, where Maxwell struggled to grasp that Andrea cared about actually being the Snowflake Queen like her mom, and not just having the glitz and glam that went along with it. Which fits with how Andrea herself can behave when dealing with others, often coming across as b***hier than she really is due to her low emotional intelligence and lack of tact.
Why does every post in this thread segue into talking about Andrea
Between the Christmas Parade Ep and Davenports on Demand your initial thought is that Maxwell is the stand in for a human villain to counter act the villains that are threats to mostly Scratch then Molly if they really start getting tired of Scratch's bullshit
But after the App Ep, Maxwell disappears. Its already comedy how Andrea's mom has an expensive VA who speaks a grand total of one sentence worth of dialogue between 2 seasons but Maxwell really feels like they were trying to make a Preston Northwest character to counteract how Andrea was suppose to be the Pacifica character of this show
They had the script but you'd think Maxwell would be way more devastated how his sole ambition was destroyed in an instant because Andrea "didnt feel like" being cute for her audiance anymore.
>your initial thought is that Maxwell is the stand in for a human villain to counter act the villains that are threats to mostly Scratch then Molly if they really start getting tired of Scratch's bullshit
No, that’s more what I thought about the Bizmart guy, and we all know how that turned out
When it was revealed that Andrea was getting a fat GF I thought she existed entirely to give Andrea a villain like she wanted her daddy to buy out Andrea's dad's company so that way she could make Andrea miserable.
Maxwell should have been more like Preston. Like after awhile he should have become more aware how a lot of his bad business decisions were a combination of Andrea and Molly sabotaging his plans.
The two leads really had no direction or care with the vast majority of the show and it really shows. Seems like they let everyone else walk all over them and bend to anything the other writers wanted. Ollie, Andrea, and pretty much everything else feels like it was directed by the whims of everyone else and they just wanted to do the beginning and end of the series.
Imagine introducing a poochy character into your show when the only side character who remains consistent in personality is the one who has every possible mean to hate the spoiled rich girl
But she has to tell Libby to get over it and suddenly were all friends.
I still remember when the Ep synopsis's leaked for S2 before S2 even aired and there was hundreds of more users discussing why they chose certain creative decisions then being hyped for the season itself
Before Cinemaphile even began S2 they instinctly hated Olly
The fact that the S3 scripts leaked only cemented that the character NO ONE CARES ABOUT was gonna get huge plot progression Ep's dedicated to him while the actual character people cared about (Andrea) was just gonna wander around and occasionally stop the plot just to "do shit that no one cares about" shows that not only was there zero oversight for Season 2, hell i'd argue late in S1 as well but it also shows that Cinemaphile was right to hate Olly
There is nothing to like about Olly. Olly is to Molly what Amity is to Luz. Theyre not characters. Theyre objects of affection.
Which is funny because S2 dropped like 10 Ep's on the App and then re-released those same Ep's that were already free to view on the App individual week to week and fricking no one watched them because they were already on the App
Molly used to flip flop and do this constantly. First they'd dump a 1/10th of the season on the app then they'd randomly dump 4 episodes just randomly in the middle of the month then to upload one new Ep a week until hiatus began again
Its so weird watching S2 all at once never having to go thru the hell Cinemaphile and /trash/ went thru having to sit thru essentially filler week to week getting to Andrea ep's where Andrea just...exists. Not even doing anything
They make a big fricking deal about Libby discovering Scratch. Andrea wanders into Molly's house never ONCE does Molly consider "I think its time we do this Scratch."
They liked the "idea" of Andrea being Molly's new friend but this doesnt go anywhere. Its odd how Andrea is the person who single handedly gets Molly her house back but this is not presented as a way bigger deal
What this Ep should have been about is Molly does the Sleepover to bury the hatchet between Libby and Andrea and it allows Andrea to build a bigger perspective that she didnt get Molly's house back for optical reasons she did it because it was the first thoughtless act of charity she's ever done
You can then do a dynamic where Andrea learns that her father doesnt actually care AT ALL about charity so long as the optics of Davenports make them look like they care about the public. You can even have Maxwell take this a step further by having Andrea "do both kinds of charity" where as long as it doesnt ruin Davenports bottom line he doesnt care about what "side projects" Andrea wants to experiment with.
>Which is funny because S2 dropped like 10 Ep's on the App and then re-released those same Ep's that were already free to view on the App individual week to week and fricking no one watched them because they were already on the App
They're doing that again with Moon Girl but even worse
Moongirl had HALF its season dump on the App. That proves that Marvel Fatigue is real and they waited too long for this show to air.
3 months ago
Anonymous
And it would've been the full season if it didn't get a ten episode extension.
3 months ago
Anonymous
Didnt Proud Family S2 also have its entire season dump onto the App and despite the universal negative reception it got its somehow getting a wrap up season?
I can't say we particularly missed much by losing out on "fat lesbian battle bots" or "if ghost is forever then heaven must be a lie"
The worst part about that script is that the moral was about Molly coping with loss. Andrea isnt interested in being her bestie anymore because she has a new bestie now and this was also about how Scratch needs to move on from the McGee's and spiritually ascend.
>The fact that the S3 scripts leaked only cemented that the character NO ONE CARES ABOUT was gonna get huge plot progression Ep's dedicated to him
Yeah, they admitted in a QnA recently that the Ollie Chairman arc was never going to go anywhere interesting anyway.
EVEN ANDREA THE ONE MARKETABLE THING ABOUT THIS SHOW DOESNT GET TO DO ANYTHING
Dude I fricking dont understand. I go into every Hailey's On It thread and they talk about how Hailey as a show feels like it existed to be a cheaper substitution to Molly McGee even tho by the smallest margin possible, Molly has more marketable characters and some semblance of a plot that oftentimes goes ignored
I've said from S1 they needed to do the Billy and Mandy approach to this show. Andrea should have been to this show what Mindy is to Billy and Mandy. Just a fun character everyone loves who gets mogged everytime she deliberately does something selfish and stupid.
>What is our show about >Global Warming >Oh so we're an Environmental Cartoon? >No >Oh well is Global Warming gonna be a significant plot point in any Ep's >Also No >Also you will notice the irony how Hailey the Tree Hugger has a mom who has a profession that revolves around the mass destruction of land >Hailey is too stupid to make this connection as well >No the show will not bring this comparison up either
Amity at least started as a character before she got rebooted into running gay panic gag. Ollie was always a cardboard genderebend love interest for Molly, and then he gained the rudiments of a character a little too late.
Wasn't there some episode about an Adolf Hitler-analogue trying to cancel Purin forever or something too? The more I found out about Season 3's plans, the less interested I got in it. At least it's easy to ignore Andrea's planned girlfriend since she ended up being nothing more than a simple S2 cameo.
Not on her own. People wanted a leading lady to counterbalance Dipper in GF and Mabel wasn't written to be one. It was a vacant position and Pacifica suited it.
Because she was written to be the show's mascot, but have very little agency in the story. The mansion episode gave Pacifica a more compelling character than her in a single leap simply by striving for something.
Courtney Gripling was a spoiled rich girl, but never mean. She was the first (and one of the few) characters to break the archetype by being friendly with the protag from the start, albeit naive and sometimes offensively ignorant.
While that arguably might be true her show is fricking hideous and its non debatably one of the uglier shows that Klasy Csupo ever made
I dont understand how they made this and All Grown Up but the designs in All Grown Up look objectively better. Kimmy looks normal. Angelica looks normal
All of the women in Ginger look like they have DSL's they were using to suck on Goldfish Bowls
3 months ago
Anonymous
>All of the women in Ginger look like they have DSL's they were using to suck on Goldfish Bowls
You state that like it's a negative.
3 months ago
Anonymous
Bro all of their heads look like goldfish bowls it makes it very difficult for porn artists to care about a show like this
At least with Molly and Gravity Falls the Flat Color designs make their job easier. Why do you think the one character that has the most porn out of everyone is always the trope that everyone loves
Its funny. I remember when Cinemaphile shat ALL OVER THE IDEA of Amity getting "redeemed" late into S1. Do I feel like Boscha should have been the main antagonist of that season which led to Boscha and Luz having a wizards duel to demonstrate everything Luz has learned to impress Amity? That would have been nice.
At the end of the day Amity gets the BOTD because her dynamic is about how much she hates her mom and how Odalia will not stop doubling down because she will never let Amity make her own choices. Im ok with Luz wanting to champion that.
Andrea there was no excuse. What benefit is there to Andrea drawing the hardline on how the poorest family in Brighton is homeless. As her fathers child she should not only not care she should laugh at the idea Molly is at the breadline
They jumped WAY INTO THE DEEP END getting the ball rolling with Andrea with no long term gameplan. This should have done an arc where Andrea puts her name on the deed to Molly's house and tells her family they never have to worry about paying rent, morgage or utilities ever again BUT the McGee's are now indebted to the Davenports because they own the property and their options are homelessness or occasionally doing favors for the Davenports.
>season 1 had both schizo writing in the beginning (Andrea getting redeemed too quickly and insincerely, Tammy being a nothingburger, all those black granny episodes, etc) and some of it was aired out of order >killed off the cool main villain far too quickly and without proper build up >season 2 opens up with glaring retcons and a squad of poochies being introduced (neither are never a good sign) >their ability to write sentimental episodes began to severely diminish, Libby's dad episode and 100% mcmutt episode come to mind >hire several landwhales from the same Loud house staff that backstabbed Chris Savino and not expect them to usurp your show >ex-TLH writers self-insert shit like Alina that further damages the brand >black granny episodes were meant to lead into her dying, but this never panned out and so they're pointless >string of really cheap bottle episodes that relied too much on characters screaming at each other >unforgivable Halloween episode that was just a disguised clip show of everyone's previous alt-outfits >episode about tiktok that was just completely pointless and involved Pete running around in a recycled outfit that made no sense >Tammy given a token cameo at the tail end of season 2, but it was meaningless and she gets cheated again by the """""protagonists"""" >the big reveal at the end was noticed by most fans as early as Todd's VA appearing in the credits, not really properly paced out, and the bittersweet ending did not really fit with this show
>the big reveal at the end was noticed by most fans as early as Todd's VA appearing in the credits, not really properly paced out, and the bittersweet ending did not really fit with this show
It would’ve somehow been paced even worse if they got a third season given that was supposedly going to be “all about” teasing a twist everybody already guessed.
>season 1 had both schizo writing in the beginning (Andrea getting redeemed too quickly and insincerely, Tammy being a nothingburger, all those black granny episodes, etc) and some of it was aired out of order >killed off the cool main villain far too quickly and without proper build up >season 2 opens up with glaring retcons and a squad of poochies being introduced (neither are never a good sign) >their ability to write sentimental episodes began to severely diminish, Libby's dad episode and 100% mcmutt episode come to mind >hire several landwhales from the same Loud house staff that backstabbed Chris Savino and not expect them to usurp your show >ex-TLH writers self-insert shit like Alina that further damages the brand >black granny episodes were meant to lead into her dying, but this never panned out and so they're pointless >string of really cheap bottle episodes that relied too much on characters screaming at each other >unforgivable Halloween episode that was just a disguised clip show of everyone's previous alt-outfits >episode about tiktok that was just completely pointless and involved Pete running around in a recycled outfit that made no sense >Tammy given a token cameo at the tail end of season 2, but it was meaningless and she gets cheated again by the """""protagonists"""" >the big reveal at the end was noticed by most fans as early as Todd's VA appearing in the credits, not really properly paced out, and the bittersweet ending did not really fit with this show
The biggest and most obvious was that Scratch was given credit for defeating the Chairman.
The flow of failed phantoms was also turned into a place where actually bad ghosts were imprisoned, and Scratch is scolded for destroying it
The council also never answer for their own crimes and instead Billybob try to make them into a cheap quartet imitation of Statler and Waldorf by some old fart VAs eating up half the budget that falls on its face
>The flow of failed phantoms was also turned into a place where actually bad ghosts were imprisoned, and Scratch is scolded for destroying it
It goes back to being bad in the finale.
But at the end of the day none of that matters because the whole point of Scratch becoming the Chairman is that he hates his job and he hates the council and later the council begins to hate him because if he's not taking his job seriously it makes them look bad
Its ridiculous how they didnt just GIVE the job immediately to Jinx given how she liked how the system worked before. Entirely unintentionally I once theorized how because of Davenports draining all the economic wealth out of Brighton everyone is miserable but they all shop at Davenports because Davenports gives them materialism to feed into their empty lives to pretend to not feel sad
So when Molly comes to Brighton and teaches everyone you can be happy without consumerism you create an angle where the Davenports hate the McGee's because it makes their company look bad, you have the angle where Andrea goes from being a brat who hates how Molly can be so happy despite being so poor until it dawns on her that the vapidness of her personality is no different then everyone else in Brighton and how the ghosts hate the McGee's for improving Brighton and getting rid of all the misery that sustains them
Looking further into this the Ghosts should have sided with the Davenports the way Preston wanted to side with Bill
>entire season-long arc dedicated to showing that Scratch isn't a good fit for the job he repeatedly stated he didn't want or ask for or do anything to earn and that he had to be forced to do but also this is somehow all his fault
I don't know why people were disappointed we didn't get chairman Ollie, it would've just been more of this tedious bullshit
>Its ridiculous how they didnt just GIVE the job immediately to Jinx given how she liked how the system worked before.
Well, there is a reason, as it turns out
She's a woman
But the absolute worst thing is that only Molly and Olly and people associated with Olly's family get Danny Phantom powers
Libby deserves ghost powers. She can turn into a Sob Goblin and Andrea can turn into something like Jinx.
But no. Zero oversight is ever put into this stupid show even on a strictly stand alone episodic level this doesnt work because the filler Ep's are boring especially the ones that arent even andrea focused
At the very least it seemed like Ollie would have excitedly handled his role as chairman and tried to change things. Not sure if it really would have mattered much but that is a different direction than Scratch who hated his job and wanted to be done with it. I don't trust them to have stuck the landing regardless.
3 months ago
Anonymous
Supposedly they weren't going to actually go anywhere with it and the moral was just work life balances.
3 months ago
Anonymous
>I can't remember how that was resolved
Yeah, this is funny. Not even the writers who took over the show from BillBob cared enough about it to remember the conclusion to what was supposed to be the big drama of the third season. Just awesome.
3 months ago
Anonymous
Its because these fricks didnt watch S1 or they refused to expand upon concepts from S1.
BUT IT WAS ABSOLUTELY NECCESSARY TO HAVE AN EP ABOUT MOLLY AND HER FAMILY BEING ADDICTED TO FARMING SIMS
>Its ridiculous how they didnt just GIVE the job immediately to Jinx given how she liked how the system worked before.
Well, there is a reason, as it turns out
I think the idea was supposed to be that they got redeemed by considering Scratch a friend even though they had no positive interactions with him whatsoever besides that one song at the very start of the season that was just him telling them to frick off.
Remind me, didnt S2 get like an entire new team who not only didnt watch any of S1 but what little of S1 they watched they skimmed thru it and decided "frick it. soft reboot everything."
The glaring contrast reminds me of DC Super Hero Girls where S1 was all about setting up antagonists and plots for each individual member of the group then S2 happens and suddenly not only is the Antagonist Gallery suddenly cut into 2/3 it feels like there is this insane focus on Supergirl focused plots
Hell there was a back to back series of Ep where Supergirl meets Wonder Woman's mom. Then her aunt. Molly feels the same way
Andrea was not the same character anymore after that Candy Charity Ep. The degree she suddenly changed so noticable it only made the show worse. A simple "Wow. Thanks McGee. Dunno what that was about but I like you."
How you leap from that to "I dont want you to be homeless" and you fail to sell that as in character was way too big of a leap.
>this insane focus on Supergirl focused plots
SG is kind of moronic so it's pretty easy to write for her. Next to babs she's my favorite so I didn't really mind that much, though I do wish babs got more episodes. Dammit Lauren, can you just stay on a show for more than one season?
>Cheetah completely disappears despite being booked as a foil for Wonder Woman >Star Sapphire gets 2 Ep's. One involving on how to look after children and the finale which was the crossover with TTG >Lena Luthor completely disappears >Zee's whole ass plot with her mom wanting to manifest within her magic is dropped even tho its referenced in the Ep where Zee wants her birthday to be every day
>the big reveal at the end was noticed by most fans as early as Todd's VA appearing in the credits, not really properly paced out, and the bittersweet ending did not really fit with this show
It would’ve somehow been paced even worse if they got a third season given that was supposedly going to be “all about” teasing a twist everybody already guessed.
The worst was Andrea's plot. If Davenports in Demise got a continuation that was uninterrupted it would have been revealed that the Davenports arent even actually proper citizens of Brighton. Their mansion is their summer home and its there smallest one. There is a line in the script how Andrea doesnt even feel all that bad that her family has to leave Brighton because her father is in full cut the finger to save the hand mode because he'll just build a Davenports elsewhere and start over
Its like the complete opposite how Molly is living in her car. Meanwhile Davenports go bankrupt and Andrea goes "Eh. We'll face time."
>Halloween episode that was just a disguised clip show of everyone's previous alt-outfits
I'll give you everything else but the Halloween episode was mostly ok. Story wise at least. Of course the Ollie change of heart was way too fast but that's not surprising considering what this show has done before. Not having new outfits was a big mess though and for a Halloween episode that is the one thing you are supposed to get right. That they couldn't even do that right is really telling.
>episode takes place 90% inside a tent where Bill and Bob's ghost avatars touch a bunch of kids, and 10% inside a reskin of "Brighton Generic Festival #589924"
thats when I knew it was over
They really should have leaned into the idea of that being the Ep where everyone in Brighton realizes how absolutely fricked their community has been for centuries that Brighton is a haunted area that is plagued by the Paranormal
They could have leaned further a few Ep's later where Molly has to pretend this is technically not her fault while telling everyone in town "Me? Talk with ghosts? What a ridiculous idea I would know nothing about it."
Why was there no Ep of Maxwell making stupid ghost charms that dont work but since everyone is paranoid about ghosts they panic purchase all of Maxwell's stupid shit and he makes a fantastic quarter at the expense of the town's stupidity
See there is another way you could have redeemed Andrea and had it feel better then how they did it.
Apart from this cartoon being a:
Failed comedy
Failed lore cartoon
Failed Simpsons in Michigan
It came right after TOH peaked in popularity. EVERYONE wanted to see another plot lore cartoon with LESBIANS, but the creator hurry to say Molly was straight, and a bunch of people stop caring about the show, then season 2 came and it was very bad.
The creator wanted it to be like the simpsons but all the secondary characters were fricking boring
I think the production failed to see people would only care about molly-andrea-libby, the ghosts stuff was garbage, the ghost hunters plot was garbage, ollie is garbage, just straight up failed at everything
Also the people who wanted Molly shipped with Andrea are all lapsed Lumity fans who jumped into the show for Andrea's development then left immediately when Olly was introduced
This board will never understand they hate Olly how they used to hate Hunter.
Funny thing is that Season 3 would've been about Ollie becoming ruler of an alternate dimension full of beings he hates and plotting to destroy them all from the inside.
Olly and Libby had like an 80/20 crapshoot on the final season and had very little to do with either Molly or Andrea especially Andrea who looked like she was getting even less focus going forward
It felt like Olly was only created just to distance Molly away from all Ghosts plots which seems needless because Ghosts are kinda around in S2 but the comparison between plots with ghosts and plots without ghosts are huge
Its like a ravine. Imagine a Stonetoss edit of "Isnt this show suppose to be about ghosts?"
I think some anons mentioned this, but here its some context: >The creator, for some reason, never wanted Andrea to be an important character >The production ended very early, I think before season 2 premiered, and Disney didn't like the result, any hope for season 3 ended >the creator wanted to write more slice of life adventures with ghosts, but never really committed to it >Ollie was 100% a Disney thing, they really wanted to make Molly straight to not repeat the luz and amity situation, but the writers didn't really know how to write Ollie since he wasn't a planned character
>Ollie was 100% a Disney thing, they really wanted to make Molly straight to not repeat the luz and amity situation, but the writers didn't really know how to write Ollie since he wasn't a planned character
That's not true, it was their own decision
Incidentally, ghost hunters were originally supposed to come in during the first season rather than after, which might be part of why they felt so unfocused.
the ghost hunters were planned very early, but Ollie's being Molly's boyfriend was more on Disney's part
I can't really prove it because it is something that a very good friend who works at Disney studios told me, just consider this, Disney HAS A LOT of influence in their shows, if you think a creator has all the power you are wrong, and Disney likes to push things in their cartoons that they think will help to make the cartoon more "appealing to the audience"
That's why all modern Disney and also, you will see channels like Nick and CN copy is this pattern:
>Female brown protagonist of 13-14 years old >Secondary female character who is bi/gay >Male best friend of the protagonist who is a love interest >The most diverse case possibly
What my friend said basically was this: At first Molly Mcgee was supposed to be a comedy slice of like like the simpsons with ghosts, that's what the creator wanted, then it became more lore and serious in the production, that's were the ghosts hunters came, one of the ghost hunters was going to be a boy of the same age as Molly, thought it was unclear if this was a romance, THEN Disney executives made it clear they wanted a romantic love interest for Molly and a lot of episodes dedicated to him, it was more like a last minute inclusion.
That's why in a lot of episodes where Ollie is not relevant, he doesn't appear at all
3 months ago
Anonymous
>all modern Disney >literally two shows, one already canned and the other getting canned after two seasons
3 months ago
Anonymous
I believe this. Do you remember all of the negative reaction that Turning Red got about how the entire plot was a euphuism about an underage girl going into womanhood
There is no way they didnt pitch the Period Ep with that same intention in mind hoping all the negative feedback would result in hate watching AND with it being an Andrea Ep they'd wanna watch it even more.
The drawback is by the time the Ep aired on the App everyone stopped caring because of Olly
3 months ago
Anonymous
What its clear to me is that the creator got his show hijacked by feminists and disney, while Molly Mcgee's was probably never that great, the original vision of Bob never came, I believe he did give up and let other people do whatever with his story
3 months ago
Anonymous
It was more Bill’s story than Bob’s
3 months ago
Anonymous
Very common. I remember when they put Sabrina Cortugo under the bus because Dana felt like her show was losing focus with Sabrina leaning too deep into the Lumity Ep's
Like by making the ship too noticable too early Disney deliberately wouldnt air the show in most international markets. That is why Disney + is going thru a complete overhaul without the DTVA division in mind because Disney needs Marvel to be the focus for international markets like China because they value their money more then the American dollar.
3 months ago
Anonymous
Oh yeah, also both the school of magic and I THINK, Gus, was a disney thing. You know, Dana, add the non-threatening black male comedy relief.
What is a huge rumor, is that Dana, unlike Matt, was a huge b***h to deal with. I think Disney pretty much blacklisted her
3 months ago
Anonymous
I hate Gus for being the embodiment of how messy the magic system was and for being a good idea/character thrown away.
3 months ago
Anonymous
>Bard magic is literally "frick you I win" the power >Unless you cover your ears >Which is stupid because why does Bard Magic not force you to uncover your ears
3 months ago
Anonymous
Gus is hilarious because if you watch all of S2 all in one go without having to wait for Ep's to air week to week you'll notice how Gus has the least amount of focus out of everyone in the squad despite getting an upgrade to his magic that literally makes him Madara
Like he somehow gets the Disney equivalent of the Mangekyō but Luz's titan form is apparently treated as a way bigger deal. The cast system was bullshit. Some magic is just dogshit.
3 months ago
Anonymous
at least I'm glad dana and matt got do their shows despite being fricked by disney, both of them in different ways
what is sad, its that a cartoon creator probably won't have that freedom again in a long time, the market disney now is trying to pull is not complex stories or lore, its more "turn off your brain" time of shows
3 months ago
Anonymous
>Molly Mcgee was supposed to be a comedy slice of like like the simpsons with ghosts, that's what the creator wanted
Bullshit, everything revealed so far just points to the creators, particularly Bill, only wanting the wraith ending to happen to share with everyone his trauma of watching "For the Love of Fred" as a youngster.
For more info, basically Disne'y policy for LGBT character is: NEVER EVER make the MC queer in some way, but we need diversity in our shows, so make a secondary character lesbian, that's why we have things like Becker from the Hailey show, and also other safe representation like gay parents are welcomed
Becker and Andrea, and others to come as well are the maximun disney will allow to show gay characters
If Andrea has to be gay to maximize their ESG score and it absolutely under no circumstances cant be with Molly even tho that is what this fandom wants then why would they make Andrea's OC GF so fricking disgusting and visually unpleasing
The worst thing about Molly McGee is that when you begin to notice the patten of the average Ep especially in S2 you notice how the musical segment takes up a whole 1/3 of the Ep and exists entirely just to waste time and animation budget
You know how Hazbin threads like to gaslight people how their musicals are important to the overall story despite Cinemaphile suggesting otherwise?
Molly has the opposite problem. It would flow better as a show WITHOUT musical segments of saving musical segments if you have a very good song in mind.
At least in Hazbin (and also other disney pseudo-musical shows like Kiff) the musical numbers are generally sung by the actual characters instead of random disembodied singers like they are in Molly, which really makes it feel like the musical numbers are an obligation instead of what they actually want to do.
>Ollie was 100% a Disney thing
Was it? I remembered BillBob mentioning it was something the other writers wanted to add and they just bent over and let them take over.
Incidentally, ghost hunters were originally supposed to come in during the first season rather than after, which might be part of why they felt so unfocused.
Libby always felt like the original representation ship they had in mind because Libby feels very special around Molly throughout all of S1 she made a huge fricking deal how the Ba Matizvah was a private affair where only her family and Molly were invited and Molly decided to invite Andrea who as of that part in the story hates Libby and Libby hates her.
Don't forget her need to plaster turtles everywhere. I think there was a leaked script that would have actually addressed Libby's neurosis in terms of OCD and how she manages it.
Molly should have been there for when Libby met her loser dad. The fact that Molly is the B plot where she has to look after Libby's turtle when emotionally Molly would have contributed more to Libby being disappointed how her father isnt capable like Molly's is.
That is something Libby and Andrea could have had in common with "I guess im not the only one who is disappointed in my dad."
Scratch should have been Molly's imaginary friend. The entire concept of ghosts doesnt work in a show like this. This would have functioned better as sort of a "Inside Out" situation where Molly is feeling a certain emotion and that emotion manifests itself into a physical form and Scratch teaches Molly to feed deep into that emotion to take advantage of how miserable Molly is feeling in a given situation
>Molly hates Andrea >Here is your Anger. Your Anger wants you to GET ANGRY at Andrea. Dont think rationally just get angry
This is my idea: >Molly, Andrea and Libby are the main characters >As the series progresses, both Andrea and Libby get their own ghost too >Andrea's Ghost is a beautiful petty elegant female ghost >Libby's ghost is a fat, huge nerd one
>The girls eventually learn how to "fuse" with their ghosts to become powerful and have abilities in the real world >The show premise is about the girls hunting evil ghosts that hurt the town people (so now you have an excuse to meet the townies and care about them) >Season 1 villain is the equivalent of the Chairman, but not quite, imagine a giant evil ghost that wants to consume the entire's town on Christmas >Season 2 begins at the summer >The ghost hunters are actually a treat >Ollie is still Molly's love interest but of course, he is better >Darren gets his own ghost as well >And so does Ollie, after his "redemption" arc, he befriends a female ghost of a little girl >Libby's dad episode is a 24 minutes, and at the end she doesn't forgive him >Andrea's family loses all their money and lives for some episodes with Molly until her family moves (thanks to molly) to a new house, making it similar to when Andrea did that for molly's family. >Season 2 villain is still Jinx >She wants to open a permanent gap between worlds to let all ghost in >Molly, Ollie and Andrea beat her >Everyone is happy
Andrea's Ghost Powers should be channeled thru rage. Like Andrea excels the easiest out of being able to scare people because she's natually a very angry and demanding person
Meanwhile Libby struggles the most on this so she goes to people like Geoff to teach her how to be a proper scarer.
>every suggestion for how the show could've been better is "have the show be about Andrea going on adventures about big businesses and small town economies"
Cinemaphile can criticize but it sure as frick can't write.
I wanted a show where an overly optimistic but very stupid girl gives advice that is objectively awful which results in situation of the week Ep's that Molly has to fix
>Andrea isnt bonding with her family >Molly gives some advice on how to fix the problem >Andrea begins bonding with her family again which only makes Andrea and her family MORE EVIL because of Molly's bad advice
It would have been great. You could have had a horrified Molly look in abject terror as a thrilled Andrea go "Molly your advice was incredible. Daddy was right. Poor people are the worst and we WILL make your lives SO MUCH WORSE. Like its bad now but we're gonna deliberately make it so much worse. >BUT WERE BONDING NOW ISNT THAT GREAT
Every thread >Andrea should've been made more important >they should've made Molly gay for Libby >Ollie killed the show >Scratch should've been non-existent/imaginary
It's a yurigay mad that the show wasn't just a CGDCT plus yuri
I dont care about Andrea's relationship drama. I would have preferred even the most predictable and boring option possible if it meant Andrea mattered more in the grand scheme of things
What I wanted was for Andrea to be a throwback kind of Spoiled Brat. I wanted a Brittany or a Bad End Pacifica who relished in the idea that she can manipulate the masses by doing cute dances and she bonds with her father who see's her as a souless CEO someday
I wanted a show where an overly optimistic but very stupid girl gives advice that is objectively awful which results in situation of the week Ep's that Molly has to fix
>Andrea isnt bonding with her family >Molly gives some advice on how to fix the problem >Andrea begins bonding with her family again which only makes Andrea and her family MORE EVIL because of Molly's bad advice
It would have been great. You could have had a horrified Molly look in abject terror as a thrilled Andrea go "Molly your advice was incredible. Daddy was right. Poor people are the worst and we WILL make your lives SO MUCH WORSE. Like its bad now but we're gonna deliberately make it so much worse. >BUT WERE BONDING NOW ISNT THAT GREAT
And thats the overall problem. I dont like how they need a character that stops the plot whenever she is sad or inconvenienced but it somehow doesnt have a larger impact of the plot going forward
She's like this weird sacred cow character the way Marcy was in Amphibia where its just not allowed to call Marcy out on her stupid bullshit.
>Marcy was in Amphibia where its just not allowed to call Marcy out on her stupid bullshit.
Did you miss the entire last third of the show where all of Marcy's screentime was devoted to calling her out on her stupid bullshit?
Marcy should have been the villain. The stupidest part of Amphibia's plot is even pretending that Marcy wants anything to do with the human world when intellectually speaking she feels the most free living among a semi technologically advanced isekai society of talking reptiles that fused magic with machinery
They should have made Marcy like a Ted K kind of villain where she has found a perfect society where she doesnt wanna rule it merely just exist within it but the drama comes from how her parents want her to come home
So this in turn makes Marcy a more Anti Hero kind of villain where she begins to hate Sasha and Anne because they "think too small" all Sasha wants to do is conquest and all Anne wants to do is go back to how boring her life was before.
>Marcy was in Amphibia where its just not allowed to call Marcy out on her stupid bullshit.
Did you miss the entire last third of the show where all of Marcy's screentime was devoted to calling her out on her stupid bullshit?
Andrea isnt allowed to be evil
She's not allowed to have Ghost Powers
Shes not allowed to have actual real adventures with Molly and Libby
She merely exists to be attracted to fat people and promote ESG
This is my idea: >Molly, Andrea and Libby are the main characters >As the series progresses, both Andrea and Libby get their own ghost too >Andrea's Ghost is a beautiful petty elegant female ghost >Libby's ghost is a fat, huge nerd one
>The girls eventually learn how to "fuse" with their ghosts to become powerful and have abilities in the real world >The show premise is about the girls hunting evil ghosts that hurt the town people (so now you have an excuse to meet the townies and care about them) >Season 1 villain is the equivalent of the Chairman, but not quite, imagine a giant evil ghost that wants to consume the entire's town on Christmas >Season 2 begins at the summer >The ghost hunters are actually a treat >Ollie is still Molly's love interest but of course, he is better >Darren gets his own ghost as well >And so does Ollie, after his "redemption" arc, he befriends a female ghost of a little girl >Libby's dad episode is a 24 minutes, and at the end she doesn't forgive him >Andrea's family loses all their money and lives for some episodes with Molly until her family moves (thanks to molly) to a new house, making it similar to when Andrea did that for molly's family. >Season 2 villain is still Jinx >She wants to open a permanent gap between worlds to let all ghost in >Molly, Ollie and Andrea beat her >Everyone is happy
I was thinking a more dark Ollie could use to have a little girl as a ghost friend so tender his heart
Dont forget the Davenports bouncing back out of Bankruptcy and rebuilding Davenports from scratch so not only do they actually feel the ramifications of their actions the writers actively create moronic fail safes that prevent them from being poor.
>Ollie needs to be louder, angrier, and have access to the Chairman robe >Whenever Ollie’s not onscreen, all the other characters should be asking “Where’s Ollie?”
They were brought in when Bill and Bob forgot to maximize the ESG talking points per Ep
>Lets have a Global Warming Ep >Andrea is in it >Is it about how her father is one of the biggest polluters in all of Brighton >Nope >Is this plot point ever gonna be brought up >Nope >And even if it did Andrea's not gonna be the one to stop him
>LOTS OF THINGS ARENT FUNNY ANDREA! YOU LAUGHING AT ME PEEING MYSELF AT THE SLUMBER PARTY WASNT FUNNY! GASLIGHTING ME IN FRONT OF THE WHOLE SCHOOL WASNT FUNNY
I think the show comes off as too childish at first and less like a show for all ages. It took a few episodes before it got going. I think nowadays you can't really have a rough start to find your footing. You have to be perfect from the start. People nowadays will watch things in order. It's not like before streaming when the episodes would appear randomly. The first few episodes are too childish. The airing order should have changed to spread out the first few lamer episodes.
If we had a time machine, they could show this show next time Kim Possible. I think that would have really given it the shot in the arm it needed. Or maybe if they held onto the show and released it alongside Phineas and Ferb when that show gets rebooted. Also, crossovers could really help.
They should have had merchandise for sale from day one and paid influencers to review the show. It would advertise the show and get more people to sign up for Disney Plus. They also would have made money off of merchandise sales.
Say what you will about digital circus but they know how the game is played. You make something you advertise the merch and make it available immediately.
Didnt Bill and Bob say how they had several different pitch pilots for this series they havent revealed to the public from all the differently available concept art back when Andrea was suppose to be Blonde and way more directly antagonistic then she is in the final product
I straight up remember someone saying this show was being pitched as early as 2005
>All this shit they originally had planned for Andrea >They stripped most of this shit down and just skipped straight to the whole "I am le misunderstood I just wanna le be my own person."
ANDREA'S MOM ISNT EVEN A CHARACTER IN THIS SHOW
THE FRICK IS THE BRIGHTON WOMEN'S CLUB
THATS NOT IN THE SHOW THATS NOT EVEN IN THE SCRIPTS
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I honestly don't really like bully characters and wished she was nice to them from the start although I guess there really is only like one episode where she is mean.
>Andrea's mom went from being the central antagonistic focus of the show to not even being a character at all >Maxwell is not the mayor
What in the absolute frick
Was this what Bill and Bob meant by the "focus group" where they were told to tone down Andrea like were they showed a bunch of slide show panels or did they make test animation of this.
They gave her an expensive VA and she speaks literally one line of dialogue. Most of the parental authority in Andrea's life is thru Maxwell which is funny because in the Pitch Bible, despite Maxwell owning the entire town, Andrea's mom was clearly the one in charge
So literally another paralel to Pacifica where its revealed that Preston holds the money but the authority comes from her mom.
The formatting made me think it was one of pic related. Also, we dodged a bullet. The generic blonde rival who is rich is way overdone (not saying what we got in the final product was great but still)
It was probably already brought up, but it would have been interesting if another reason why Andrea (either concept or final) hated Molly so much was because of the fact Molly had a loving and supporting family, something Andrea desperately lacked (despite having more money than sense), and it made her insanely jealous.
Andrea's relationship with her family is strange. When you watch the Candy Ep, and Maxwell turns his back to Andrea for a moment to finish up a business text message he's working on, Andrea starts acting like a stubborn child who acts like she is never been hugged in her entire life. After reading the pitch bible I now understand why that scene was in the Ep because that was a small comeback of the original plan they had for this "arc" where Andrea's mom scold's Andrea for not "doing more for the family"
This also explains why Andrea was doing all that fake charity work because I figured we were gonna see more of the Davenports not really caring at all about doing nice things to benefit the poor but its all neccessary for Tax Write Offs and positive PR
Literally none of this happens and come Davenports on Demand all of Andrea's parents disappear and we never see them again. Theyre in the S3 scripts but theyre LATE into S3
>All this shit they originally had planned for Andrea >They stripped most of this shit down and just skipped straight to the whole "I am le misunderstood I just wanna le be my own person."
ANDREA'S MOM ISNT EVEN A CHARACTER IN THIS SHOW
THE FRICK IS THE BRIGHTON WOMEN'S CLUB
THATS NOT IN THE SHOW THATS NOT EVEN IN THE SCRIPTS
I honestly don't really like bully characters and wished she was nice to them from the start although I guess there really is only like one episode where she is mean.
They needed more interactions between Molly and Andrea, Andrea and Libby solo to deal with their previous disconnect, Andrea with her family and just the Davenports wanting to know more about the McGee's in general
If Andrea's mom was originally going to be the main antagonist with Maxwell sort of just being the "listen to your mother" kind of antagonist akin to like Drew Pickles from Rugrats then why was there no Ep of the Davenports passive aggressively inviting the McGee's to dinner to "gauge" them and they could mock them subtly and with them not being all the wiser to it but feeling uncomfortable and unwelcome despite being invited to the party
Judging from the scripts she was even less of a character come S3. She went from "Amity S1A" to Pacifica S2B and then ending it off with just being Amity for the remainder of the series
She is not a character with feelings and inspirations she is a prize.
Andrea didn't even feel like the same character midway thru S1 but after seeing her pitch bible he character is so far beyond her original intention that final product Andrea feels like someone's drastically inferior OC
I want the original pitch for Molly McGee. Frick the show we were given I want the show that was planned
No the frick they arent. Andrea had depth and layers that are not even the final product. They had an actual honest to God plan for Andrea; they had a bigger plan for Andrea's family
why was none of this used in show. All of the shit from S2 you could have put thru the damn paper shredder but they got rid of all this character development that exists entirely in a hypothetical sense
The pitch bible description is the most basic b***h mean girl redemption arc there is
3 months ago
Anonymous
Still better then "President of the Geode Club + I'm gay and attracted to fat girls" Andrea
3 months ago
Anonymous
the thing is they still more or less went with the same plot, they just entirely removed Andrea's parents having any wrongdoing
Andrea's dad is basically just a greedy goofball. If he were Stan Pines or Eda Clawthorne he would be "le good guy" career criminal. Her mom doesn't really have much character, she is a business woman that drives an SUV, hell Patricia Banks is similar but she actually comes across as a mean mom sometimes. Andrea's does not.
and really, andrea's redemption mostly happens off screen. the episode "talent show" was actually produced after "don't good" and andrea is still acting like a brat, she only starts to turn the corner in lucky penny and home is where the haunt is where she suddenly becomes incredibly altruistic and nice without much explanation why.
3 months ago
Anonymous
>none of this mattered, she's crying for no reason, it was a tax write off just like this show
3 months ago
Anonymous
I always thought the Lucky Penny Ep was gonna reveal that it took a literal powerful paranormal force beyond Maxwell's tiny comprehension to get him to finally start paying attention to Andrea and then when Libby takes the magic penny away it becomes noticeable immediately how Andrea's life goes back to the way it was
You can even take it a step further by having Maxwell go "When did we buy a horse?"
>Daddy you bought me that as a gift...10 MINS AGO >Phhh. Yeah right like i'd spend money on something like a pony. I wont even give you a parade more then once a year
3 months ago
Anonymous
Yes and somehow that was better than the inconsistent mediocrity we got.
I don't see why not. I always thought at some point Jinx was going to possess Andrea or at least brainwash her into hating Scratch and Molly so she could use her wealth to destroy them
3 months ago
Anonymous
Andrea doesnt really interact with ghosts all that much. I remember when they introduced the Sobgoblin my initial fear is that they would accidentally find there way over to Andrea's mansion and all of Andrea's family would get possessed by them and since Sobgoblins force emotions out of people everyone in the family would just admit that they were unhappy with themselves
Andrea would complain how her daddy doesnt pay enough attention to her.
Dont redeem Andrea at all. Take out the stupid proposal of humanizing Andrea from the original pitch bible and just have Andrea's core motivation in life to make her parents happy. Have the story be her parents while still evil are actually way more lenient and understanding over how hard she's trying to impress them but Andrea is her own biggest enemy who gaslights herself into thinking she's not doing enough.
A good example of this would be the character Gem Stone from Sabrina the Teenage Witch who knows at her core she is a genuinely awful person who is never gonna stop being a genuinely awful person and is also aware her parents sometimes feel abject terror when being near her but theyre obligated to love her despite her purposeful bad choices
1 gay wedding episode
2 climate change episode
3 Andrea's in love with a troony
4 Featuring both Thai Budhism and Judiasm while going out of their way to never touch Christianity
Season 2 pretty much sucked the dick of wokeness and was rewarded with the cum of market failure.
Also, whats with every cartoon teenager being drawn to look like their 9 years old? Its weird.
The Global Warming Ep was strange because Andrea is in that Ep as a gag because she's confused and a little upset that Molly took the scenic route to her mansion and missed her entire birthday party
I thought the Global Warming Ep was going to be about Molly trying to convince Andrea to lower her and her families Carbon Footprint but refusing to do so because poor people need to make up the blunt of the impact of Global Warming so the Davenports can continue to be comfortable
There were multiple Ep's that feel like it was leading up to this. Hell they even did a gag where Andrea gaslight everyone in school to recycle and then she drives away in a huge SUV and everyone is too stupid to call out the irony.
Hell Andrea already takes me as the kind of person who would bond with her father their hatred for nature. There is countless examples of this like when Andrea gave her dad the thumbs up to tear down the Brighton forest to expand a bigger davenports parking lot since that wasnt the reason why she came to see him
Its strange how that never goes acknowledged again, Molly never knows about it or S2 pretends it never happened.
Molly McGee is the only show where Cinemaphile was open to the idea of having 3 different stacies just being themselves whenever possible. They all should have formed a trio.
We could've had a Quinby vs Tammy vs Andrea three way Stacy catfight, but Bill and Bob were too busy making a gorillion episodes about ugly bastard townies and gay ghomance.
In my opinion. The art style of the show was so unique, that to make a fan art you must first change your art style to make a likeable drawing. If not you wouldn't have that aura of fanarts you see on the internet, so you just say frick no, and upload nothing.
Yup. It was an intimidating style. But if you trace it, you can get some good shit like this thing I made.
YES
I’ve noticed that about the style of Molly McGee, it may not seem like it, but it can be b***h to master and imitate.
And THATS how you know you have a good artstyle! If others find it so difficult to replicate. I’ve seen good fan artists on Twitter and Instagram complain about how hard the style is to imitate.
It’s not like the Beanmouth were any dog can do it, nah, you need a good understanding of the basics of art and how to exaggerate them like Justin Rodriguez did
I watched for Andrea which at the end of the day turned out to be a mistake
This board can lie to you all it wants but it and /trash/ watched only for Andrea you misunderstand how huge of an audience there is for hate sink characters because it awakens the crying emoji men deep within their souls.
I will never forget the day that Matt malded uncontrollably how Marcy got dead last in the popularity contest compared to Anne and Sasha meanwhile Sasha dominated the entire final result with an overwhelming majority
Amphibia was when it really started getting stupid how Disney was going thru this phase where THERE MUST BE A GROUP OF 3 CHARACTERS AT ALL TIMES
They get to Molly and midway thru S1 they realized "this is stupid."
When it was revealed that Marcy forced her friends to go on an isekai adventure because they were not interested in her boring sleepover and then add to that Marcy not wanting to better herself as a person by going to a prestigious private school if she cant take Anne and Sasha with her even tho they have radically different set goals in life shows to me they should have just killed Andrias and made Marcy the villain
Even if you dont want her to be a full villain make her an Anti Hero. Like she prefers the day to day consistency of living in Amphibia because she is apart of a world where she absolutely doesnt have a single clue on how the day is gonna turn out but it gives her mind the ability to research that fact
Sasha could start off as a villain just finding Amphibia overall disgusting but finding violence and conquest to be something she's into. Like you can have the dynamic be "Either you go home or I destroy Amphibia into nothingness then i'll really give you something to cry about."
Because half of S3 was about Anne goofing off in LA and spending god knows how many weeks doing stupid bullshit meanwhile Sasha is hiding underground with Grime and the rest of Wartwood wondering if Marcy is going to kill them or worse make Sasha more like her
I unironically like ghosts irl and fiction but the ghost stuff felt tacked on. Especially after knowing that billy bob originally had vampires in mind.
>the problem is that molly and scratch are boring
I was more likely to tune in for Libby but I disagree on this. They had a good dynamic like an old married couple
Molly and Scratch weren't boring. Hell, I'd argue that episodes that focused on just them (All Systems No, or even FONAA late in season 2) tended to be some of the best in the series in terms of humor and entertainment.
However, it's their direct supporting characters that are the problem... the McGee family was mostly boring. Pete's ice skating shenanigans and Boston relatives didn't really add much to the show. They had an interesting angle where he was the town planner and helping redesign parts of the city, but, they hardly touched upon it and Molly is given all the credit for fixing Brighton in the end. Sharon had numerous things to her history that were alluded to and never explored except in a boring manner (ie Faint of Art), and Darryl is a contender for one of the worst characters on the show, a boring deux ex machina sibling whose vast differences to Molly had little conflict.
Scratch's whole ordeal with the ghost world started out fun when he was up against the misery meter, but promptly shit the bed when they got rid of the chairman, and his friend Geoff was sacrificed to the ESG altar to be paired off with a creepy bull queer ghost that threatens kids. Jinx was a waste of time as were the frightmares and other evil ghosts.
It's not so much as Libby and Andrea were greatly written characters (they kind of weren't... hell Libby and Andrea's own personal conflict between each other is pretty much resolved off-screen), its just that they stood out as diamonds, or at least cubic zirconias in a sea of shit.
For me, the most egregious one was Sharon. Given how Sharon is "between jobs" because Gig Pig in her universe is like responding to a Craigslist Ad that she gets paid for but Molly's Dad is 100% the breadwinner of the family even tho Sharon wants to be the one who is Career oriented
Andrea got Molly back her house but there never seems to be any continued issue of not being in abject poverty whenever possible. I dont understand how they didnt synergize the idea of the Davenports buying up Gig Pig living Sharon with no other option outside of being a service worker at Davenports
If Molly and Andrea were going to be friends I could see Sharon excelling and becoming a district manager where she starts off doing grunt labor then moves onto being in Davenports HR where she gets the power to fire people.
Oh boy I love the Ghost Council dragging Scratch back to the Ghost Dimension for him to scream "No I refuse to do my job even tho I have the power to literally bend this dimension to my whim."
Fricking get an intern or just have the Council look after things. Hell give your job to Jinx.
Honestly, they should have leaned into Scratch being the best kind of Chairman because he kept his hands off people's afterlives. He worked best as an almighty janitor/superpowered civil servant.
I watched this show because I was told there was shipping.
There wasn't really. Oliver doesn't show up until Season 2 and is generally boring and underused with his whole family wasted, Andrea is a terrible character and I'm glad she pissed people off by wanting some fat cow for a wife instead of Molly, and Libby just never gets anyone.
Andrea is purposely written to be a terrible character but after seeing her chapter in the pitch bible I am convinced there really was a long drawn out arc that was carefully scripted out for her but it was sanded down to nothiness leaving behind someone who calls herself Andrea but is by all means not the same character
In short, we were robbed and im angry about it. Even if the Redemption Arc happened as planned it would have happened in the very final Ep of the series which means up until then Andrea would have been a tyrannical butthole and thats all I wanted from this show
Isn't most shipping just schizophrenic fan delusions over one second interactions? I don't really care about Oliver, I still think Molibby is extremely cute
When's the next time we'll get an unapologetic CARTOON this visually fun again? Seems like all the artists who specialize in slapstick humor can only ever find work on Looney Tunes reboots or yet another SpongeBob spin-off with shit humor.
Not in a long time I fear. Most stuff now is either diet anime or stiff shit. Hazbin hotel is honestly the closest thing to a modern cartoony cartoon I can think of
This was one of the best looking cartoon in years. I think the fact that people are attached to one off and background characters speaks to that.
The art looks like it's from 2008 and I don't mean that in a bad way
A deceptive amount of money was spent on this show. There is a reason that when Hailey finally aired Cinemaphile was skeptical about its longevity because the animation looked a lot worse and less interesting to look at since Molly has a high frame count despite being animated in watercolor and flash
But the biggest waste of money was the VA's they pulled in for the show, More specifically Andrea's parents VA's. Didnt Andrea's mom get like a 7 figure contract and she gets paid per sentence...the whole 1 sentence she speaks throughout the whole show?
Nothing
Something
Everything
BQG
A few things
Aside from Ollie being a wet blanket of a character:
>show production was so far in advance that Disney had already decided to cancel it by the time it finally premiered
>relatively expensive to produce (in a pandemic)
>people would rather argue over the latest live-action remake than try a new original cartoon
>Sharon went under the radar and failed to save the show via r34
She works as a gig-pig, her daughter helps her as a sow-sisstant, and the combination brought about no art whatsoever. Always a bad sign.
Nobody but the mentally ill wants to frick a fattie.
Well call me crazy then cuz I'm dying to give Molly Mcgee 6 more siblings. Sharon would be the absolute GREATEST lay
It failed because the artstyle is not sexo. Hilda, Steven U, and Owl House can all be converted into r34 easy but this shit isn't fappable
Is Hailey the same?
I haven't seen a single good doujin for Steven or Owl House.
I need that ass planted on my face
please show me her feet
The S2 and S3 overarching plots were just ass, especially compared to the stakes of S1.
There is no S3.
They really were. And not just the overarching ones but the one offs as well. Season two had too many messes compared to how little episodes they had per season.
I genuinely dont know why they didnt just make Maxwell a villain. Who at the board of directors at Disney is gonna look at Maxwell and not immediately just go "LE WHITE BUSINESS MAN BAD!"
You want Andrea to be a girlboss so damn bad you give her parents more shit to do. You read the S3 scripts and you realize that Maxwell never found out that his company tanked itself because of Andrea. You'd think he'd disown her or just hate the McGee's out of spite because Andrea went from his money making machine to what literally financially ruined him
Activist EPISODE directors pushing their garbage, and passive SERIES directors not overseeing that the project remains cohesive.
I blame both, but the reason we got that garbage was ultimately Bill and Bob's for not saying "lol wtf is this, write it again"
Honestly it's baffling that writers are not held accountable when producers spend 10-20M on a season for stuff like this, and writers do some unwatchable garbage that kills it.
Then again, most of the money sent to the TVA department is money that needs to be burned to pay less taxes later anyway, so I guess they don't strictly care what garbage is output as long as the money is gone before the fiscal year ends.
Qrd on activist directors?
No.
>all the main characters look half their age
>THE main character is a twofer minority
>main supporting female character looks like she's trans
>no merchandise to support the show
>no coombait for anyone besides pedos
>main supporting female character looks like she's trans
She literally has a canon vegana
If your gut reaction to Andrea wasn't "danger hair hyper-idealized trans self-insert", I dunno what to tell you.
>Andrea
>main supporting female character
Come on, now.
Yes, she was a one shot character who never ever ever appeared again, and the israeli sweater shy girl is actually much more notable and given all of the attention forever.
More or less, yeah.
Andrea isn't a "main" anything
You have trans on the brain, my anon.
According to Motz, the show got canned due to low income. Disney does a view/algoythm thing which determines it's profit share from streaming subscriptions. Because the show was so deeply pirated, the income alotment for the shows production went down the shitter. The show needed more merch.
As for show quality... could have had more Libby and more SharonxHusbandwithname romance.
Daryl didn't need to exist and his plots were fruitless.
>SharonxHusbandwithname
His name is Pete and his accomplishment of landing on the pad Thai should be recognized.
Sure, that's what Billbob said but no one really believes piracy is what did it, right? That's ridiculous. Hell, he even said it himself. Not enough people watched it. The piracy thing was some nonsense he tried blaming after admitting viewership was too low.
Again, who dumps 10 Ep's of your debuting season on the app and then you reupload all those same Ep's you just dumped on the app on the Cable.
You either want ratings or you want your algorithm to favor in increased subscription numbers Disney its either one or the other you can rag on the one that is struggling if theyre bothing failing at the same time
It just shows you want your show to fail.
That initial season one episode dump actually did pretty well TV ratings wise for the time. That wasn't a great release schedule, but it wasn't the worse deal either. Going back to weekly releases picked things up pretty well anyway for the first season. Season two numbers were just worse and worse as the series went on. It's wild seeing just how bad they started to get and seeing BillBob clearly trying to hype up episodes they seemed to think would be big ones like the Libby's dad episode only for them to be some of the lowest rated of the series' history was a ride.
Dude
When Cinemaphile finally completed the Mega that had every single S2 Ep all neatly sandwiched together and I breezed thru the whole season I was shaking my head wondering how in the frick Cinemaphile sat thru this stupid bullshit week to week and during the long hiatuses where the next Ep's that would drop would just be more stupid bullshit
You know how much of S2 you could lump in with S1 and you could straight up gaslight people and tell them this was all just one massive season all interconnected with one another
No one would care or tell the difference.
You are bald.
>white privileged rich girl
>you want her to be trans
Wow trans representation really is in the gutter.
Its her hair. People kept saying "Why does it look like the trans flag"
Hell her introduction Ep was about "deadnaming"
How could Cinemaphile not joke.
thats kind of the point bro, who in their right mind wouldn't want to be a white privileged rich girl with a right to be narcissistic because she really is that much better than everyone else? i mean duhhh
I wanted them to play around with the idea of Andrea being an entitled shithead some more. I wanted them to do this more with Pacifica as well but at least we have some evidence of Pacifica relishing in the idea of acting like a bad person even if it was for appearences sake
The worst things Andrea ever did was letting her father consider the idea of destroying the Brighton Forest to expand Davenports (which never happens) and ruining Molly's Horror Movie to make as an advertisement for Davenports.
She should have been more antagonistic especially at the Slumber Party. Have her make comments like "Ew. You have LAST YEARS TOYS mine are all mint conditioned never removed from box."
that would've been so totally amazeballs, and i feel the same way about pacifica. mean girls are my favorite archetype but i never feel like they get ~enough~ time to be mean now before suddenly being redeemed and either mega blandified like amity or made barely relevant like brittany, pacifica, andrea. bonnie stays pretty much herself throughout KP tho which is pretty coolness.
luckily i rediscovered rugrats recently which has plenty of episodes of angelica being openly antagonistic i just wish there was like, more of this sort of thing. your example was perfect, if i ever was able to make my own cartoon the mean girl would for defs be a main character and i'd totes bring you on the writing team!!
I'd argue that Angelica mellows out a bit. She's kind of herself in All Grown Up but not nearly as bad as she was in the original series
But going back to Andrea does she actually care about her family or did her father made her change her goals in life?
tbf i haven't watched much of the later angelica episodes past season 4 or so either, like i tried watching that movie where tommy's little brother is born and god is it insufferable. but she still has like, a lot of episodes focused on her before that.
andrea defs wants her family's love and approval which is why i like the idea of her growing closer w/ them and becoming otherwise worse in her narcissistic attitude
>main supporting female character looks like she's trans
How?
>main supporting female character looks like she's trans
Does Libby really give you those vibes? I mean, I sort of get it but I don't know if that would be my first thought.
>Does Libby really give you those vibes?
She doesn't at all. She's a dorky girl who's still a girl, I don't get anyone calling her trans at all
>no coombait for anyone besides pedos
8 year olds don't care about that.
Ugly, ugly character design.
Honestly this is a big one. Hated the art style. Never want to see ugly character designs. The worst is idiots who watch ugly art style shows like Phineas and Ferb, Amphibia, Owl House, etc. Do they vary yes but are the art styles legit good? Hell no. These art styles make Hazbin Hotel and Helluva Boss look good and those are not good either.
It's a huge visual turn off to see all these ugly art style cartoons and worse when they try to do drama with these stupid looking characters Adventure Time in particular is seriously guilty of this one. homie I can't take stick figure noodle arm trash seriously I don't care about your soap opera drama with such stupid looking characters.
When are we going to get an actually good cartoon again? There hasn't been a cartoon Cinemaphile's allowed to like since Over The Garden Wall.
A Fox In Space is pretty well-liked here, there's just not much to talk about because of how slow production is.
I've never heard of this show.
You're missing out on genuine kino, then.
That's not a cartoon, that's a webseries.
Though I might as well look at it later. Seems like the kind of thing I would've watched on Newgrounds, plus I'm also a Star Fox fan
Most cartoons are posted to the internet these days, Anon. It is literally the largest platform in the world.
Cartoons go on television. Webshows go on Youtube.
>Over the Pretentious Bore
didn't like that either
Dude have you seen Cinemaphile? So long as a cartoon stars a female character like Hilda or Ladybug the subhumans here are happy because they are grooming statutory child rapists. These buttholes here are content so long as an ugly art style vegana is thrown their way which they will jerk off to with Off Model Art.
Really want a damn good cartoon. Give me the days of Dan Vs or something.
>These buttholes here are content so long as an ugly art style vegana is thrown their way which they will jerk off to with Off Model Art.
Explains ENA.
Ollie
Couldn't keep up with the two action cartoons that preceded it, fanbase is nothing but pedos from the Loud House threads.
How come Loud House is the biggest target for pearl clutching here?
It's unabashedly juvenile and it has an extremely high percentage of total degens in its fanbase.
What action cartoons?
Way to not cite your shows, butthole.
Boring writing
>Guise. I have a great idea for a character that everyone will naturally love because this trope is loved by virtually everyone
>She's rich
>She's a spoiled brat
>But wait a second, she's actually not a spoiled brat
>She just has self esteem issues
>Which actually isnt true at all because baring one minor scene of her father ignoring her for a whole 10 seconds Andrea bonds really well with her family
>Only she doesnt because she realizes her father is a selfish butthole and her original beliefs were based on lies
>BUT WAIT SHE STILL LOVES HER DAD AND WANTS HIM TO CHANGE
>OOPS SERIES CANCELLED
No direction. Zero fricking focus on what Andrea's character was suppose to be. How many times does Cinemaphile and /trash/ need to have this discussion on what they think Andrea's character is if everyone has a radically different and most of the time wrong and off target guess which results in the one character that everyone cares about having no motivations whatsoever
I take it back. Andrea was never Diet Pacifica. She's Diet Brittany from Star Vs. She is a character everyone loves and wants to see more of but once she's on screen the writers go "Welp. Its Andrea. She's here. We're done here."
Trixie Tang and more specifically Camp Sherwood ruined snobby rich girls forever.
They should have ditched the "spoiled brat isn't so bad" cliche and stuck with Tammy as an antagonist.
>When the rejected S3 scripts were leaked there were documents about how virtually none of the writers liked Tammy because its a bad image of having a light brown villainous tomboy be a gigantic hate sink character even tho none of the actually people watching the show thought this was the case
>There were people who were open to the idea of wanting Andrea and Tammy
Im convinced all the women in charge of HR were once bullied by actual stacies and then when they were put in charge of HR they became bitter hags who think theyre Stacy's which is why they bring this trope up only to subvert it later
Andrea being the president of the Geode club and this NEVER being brought up again is arguably worse then whatever stupid problem the writers had with Tammy getting popular very quick
Also, the writers wanted her to meet Scratch but Bill and Bob shut it down every time
>We want Andrea to have her own side subplots that literally STOP the plot whenever possible
>Wouldnt this mean that Andrea is technically apart of the main cast
>frick no
>not only is she not a member of the main cast
>All those Ep's dedicated to Molly wanting to give Andrea a chance
>Was literally just foundation work for Andrea to move on from Molly and Libby as her fake temporary friends to focus all her time and energy into her one true friend / lover
>WHO IS MORBIDLY OBESE ON TOP OF THAT
I still remember that /trash/ thread. I dont even support shipping Andrea with Molly but virtually ANYTHING would have been better.
You know a character is dead in the water when the writers can't think of any further plotlines beyond her love life.
Can you post the thread? I want to see this.
No.
>also she's really pissy about her name being pronounced wrong. Like it's her defining character trait. The entire second episode is about how pissy she is about it and how she destroys peoples' lives over it
>actually, let's just have everybody say her name the correct way for the entire rest of the series.
I mean this with all do respect
Andrea needed to be humbled more. If the only plan they had for her was to reveal how underneath her crippling addiction to social media is just a very empty meaningless existence there should have been a character whose sole purpose was to bully Andrea and make her life miserable not even caring about the optics of it because this character will tell not only her but everyone in the school that she hates her and she doesnt derserve to be happy
Think about it. Molly gets humbled countless times. Libby had the worst one which involved Andrea OFF SCREEN which is literally never acknowledged or mentioned again because Molly is the mitigator now so its totally different.
>Which actually isnt true at all because baring one minor scene of her father ignoring her for a whole 10 seconds Andrea bonds really well with her family
I don't think they wanted them to be particularly bad parents, just cartoonishly shallow and borderline autistic when it comes to actually understanding and bonding with Andrea. Like the Saving Christmas episode, where Maxwell struggled to grasp that Andrea cared about actually being the Snowflake Queen like her mom, and not just having the glitz and glam that went along with it. Which fits with how Andrea herself can behave when dealing with others, often coming across as b***hier than she really is due to her low emotional intelligence and lack of tact.
It's mostly one person.
Between the Christmas Parade Ep and Davenports on Demand your initial thought is that Maxwell is the stand in for a human villain to counter act the villains that are threats to mostly Scratch then Molly if they really start getting tired of Scratch's bullshit
But after the App Ep, Maxwell disappears. Its already comedy how Andrea's mom has an expensive VA who speaks a grand total of one sentence worth of dialogue between 2 seasons but Maxwell really feels like they were trying to make a Preston Northwest character to counteract how Andrea was suppose to be the Pacifica character of this show
They had the script but you'd think Maxwell would be way more devastated how his sole ambition was destroyed in an instant because Andrea "didnt feel like" being cute for her audiance anymore.
>your initial thought is that Maxwell is the stand in for a human villain to counter act the villains that are threats to mostly Scratch then Molly if they really start getting tired of Scratch's bullshit
No, that’s more what I thought about the Bizmart guy, and we all know how that turned out
Im gonna be real with you
When it was revealed that Andrea was getting a fat GF I thought she existed entirely to give Andrea a villain like she wanted her daddy to buy out Andrea's dad's company so that way she could make Andrea miserable.
Maxwell should have been more like Preston. Like after awhile he should have become more aware how a lot of his bad business decisions were a combination of Andrea and Molly sabotaging his plans.
Nobody cared about Brittany.
You've never been in a Star Thread.
The two leads really had no direction or care with the vast majority of the show and it really shows. Seems like they let everyone else walk all over them and bend to anything the other writers wanted. Ollie, Andrea, and pretty much everything else feels like it was directed by the whims of everyone else and they just wanted to do the beginning and end of the series.
Imagine introducing a poochy character into your show when the only side character who remains consistent in personality is the one who has every possible mean to hate the spoiled rich girl
But she has to tell Libby to get over it and suddenly were all friends.
Old disgusting man living next to a child with her parent's approval.
>what went wrong
season 2 being a wet fart, and before that, interest tapering off the longer its unneeded hiatuses went
I still remember when the Ep synopsis's leaked for S2 before S2 even aired and there was hundreds of more users discussing why they chose certain creative decisions then being hyped for the season itself
Before Cinemaphile even began S2 they instinctly hated Olly
The fact that the S3 scripts leaked only cemented that the character NO ONE CARES ABOUT was gonna get huge plot progression Ep's dedicated to him while the actual character people cared about (Andrea) was just gonna wander around and occasionally stop the plot just to "do shit that no one cares about" shows that not only was there zero oversight for Season 2, hell i'd argue late in S1 as well but it also shows that Cinemaphile was right to hate Olly
There is nothing to like about Olly. Olly is to Molly what Amity is to Luz. Theyre not characters. Theyre objects of affection.
>there was hundreds of more users discussing why they chose certain creative decisions
Which creative decisions?
The Period Ep
Which is funny because S2 dropped like 10 Ep's on the App and then re-released those same Ep's that were already free to view on the App individual week to week and fricking no one watched them because they were already on the App
Molly used to flip flop and do this constantly. First they'd dump a 1/10th of the season on the app then they'd randomly dump 4 episodes just randomly in the middle of the month then to upload one new Ep a week until hiatus began again
Its so weird watching S2 all at once never having to go thru the hell Cinemaphile and /trash/ went thru having to sit thru essentially filler week to week getting to Andrea ep's where Andrea just...exists. Not even doing anything
They make a big fricking deal about Libby discovering Scratch. Andrea wanders into Molly's house never ONCE does Molly consider "I think its time we do this Scratch."
People liked the period episode, though.
They liked the "idea" of Andrea being Molly's new friend but this doesnt go anywhere. Its odd how Andrea is the person who single handedly gets Molly her house back but this is not presented as a way bigger deal
What this Ep should have been about is Molly does the Sleepover to bury the hatchet between Libby and Andrea and it allows Andrea to build a bigger perspective that she didnt get Molly's house back for optical reasons she did it because it was the first thoughtless act of charity she's ever done
You can then do a dynamic where Andrea learns that her father doesnt actually care AT ALL about charity so long as the optics of Davenports make them look like they care about the public. You can even have Maxwell take this a step further by having Andrea "do both kinds of charity" where as long as it doesnt ruin Davenports bottom line he doesnt care about what "side projects" Andrea wants to experiment with.
>Which is funny because S2 dropped like 10 Ep's on the App and then re-released those same Ep's that were already free to view on the App individual week to week and fricking no one watched them because they were already on the App
They're doing that again with Moon Girl but even worse
Moongirl had HALF its season dump on the App. That proves that Marvel Fatigue is real and they waited too long for this show to air.
And it would've been the full season if it didn't get a ten episode extension.
Didnt Proud Family S2 also have its entire season dump onto the App and despite the universal negative reception it got its somehow getting a wrap up season?
The worst part about that script is that the moral was about Molly coping with loss. Andrea isnt interested in being her bestie anymore because she has a new bestie now and this was also about how Scratch needs to move on from the McGee's and spiritually ascend.
>The fact that the S3 scripts leaked only cemented that the character NO ONE CARES ABOUT was gonna get huge plot progression Ep's dedicated to him
Yeah, they admitted in a QnA recently that the Ollie Chairman arc was never going to go anywhere interesting anyway.
THEN THE SCRIPTS ARE EVEN MORE WORTHLESS
EVEN ANDREA THE ONE MARKETABLE THING ABOUT THIS SHOW DOESNT GET TO DO ANYTHING
Dude I fricking dont understand. I go into every Hailey's On It thread and they talk about how Hailey as a show feels like it existed to be a cheaper substitution to Molly McGee even tho by the smallest margin possible, Molly has more marketable characters and some semblance of a plot that oftentimes goes ignored
I've said from S1 they needed to do the Billy and Mandy approach to this show. Andrea should have been to this show what Mindy is to Billy and Mandy. Just a fun character everyone loves who gets mogged everytime she deliberately does something selfish and stupid.
Hailey's getting shitcanned after 1 season and less than a year.
>What is our show about
>Global Warming
>Oh so we're an Environmental Cartoon?
>No
>Oh well is Global Warming gonna be a significant plot point in any Ep's
>Also No
>Also you will notice the irony how Hailey the Tree Hugger has a mom who has a profession that revolves around the mass destruction of land
>Hailey is too stupid to make this connection as well
>No the show will not bring this comparison up either
>the actual character people cared about (Andrea)
Lets not exaggerate here anon.
>Olly is to Molly what Amity is to Luz. Theyre not characters. Theyre objects of affection.
Amity used to be a character before she dyed her hair.
Amity at least started as a character before she got rebooted into running gay panic gag. Ollie was always a cardboard genderebend love interest for Molly, and then he gained the rudiments of a character a little too late.
>Andreagay's back again
This is why the spoiled rich brat as an archetype needs to stop. It attracts the wrong crowd.
You mean the core audience?
ALL of Cinemaphile?
I can't say we particularly missed much by losing out on "fat lesbian battle bots" or "if ghost is forever then heaven must be a lie"
Wasn't there some episode about an Adolf Hitler-analogue trying to cancel Purin forever or something too? The more I found out about Season 3's plans, the less interested I got in it. At least it's easy to ignore Andrea's planned girlfriend since she ended up being nothing more than a simple S2 cameo.
Actually, he was an evil Persian guy, the script calling attention to his "dumb turban". He was based on Haman and his name was literally Herman
Oh geez, having a perfidious Iranian as the villain sounds like it would be even more awkward.
Sigh, somehow the Andrea schizo has returned
>muh instantly redeemed rich girl #520971
>Lets take Pacifica's storyline, put it in our show and then do it worse
>Lets do this over and over again
>people still trying to capture Pacifica’s magic ten years later
How does she do it?
Not on her own. People wanted a leading lady to counterbalance Dipper in GF and Mabel wasn't written to be one. It was a vacant position and Pacifica suited it.
Mabel was literally the deuterotagonist, how could she not be a leading lady?
Because she was written to be the show's mascot, but have very little agency in the story. The mansion episode gave Pacifica a more compelling character than her in a single leap simply by striving for something.
Pacifica is not even the original one, Courtney from Ginger is the original mean rich girl who loves the MC
Courtney Gripling was a spoiled rich girl, but never mean. She was the first (and one of the few) characters to break the archetype by being friendly with the protag from the start, albeit naive and sometimes offensively ignorant.
While that arguably might be true her show is fricking hideous and its non debatably one of the uglier shows that Klasy Csupo ever made
I dont understand how they made this and All Grown Up but the designs in All Grown Up look objectively better. Kimmy looks normal. Angelica looks normal
All of the women in Ginger look like they have DSL's they were using to suck on Goldfish Bowls
>All of the women in Ginger look like they have DSL's they were using to suck on Goldfish Bowls
You state that like it's a negative.
Bro all of their heads look like goldfish bowls it makes it very difficult for porn artists to care about a show like this
At least with Molly and Gravity Falls the Flat Color designs make their job easier. Why do you think the one character that has the most porn out of everyone is always the trope that everyone loves
Its instinctual.
They got redeemed faster and faster until they hit the event horizon and just started being friends with the protagonist from the start
Its funny. I remember when Cinemaphile shat ALL OVER THE IDEA of Amity getting "redeemed" late into S1. Do I feel like Boscha should have been the main antagonist of that season which led to Boscha and Luz having a wizards duel to demonstrate everything Luz has learned to impress Amity? That would have been nice.
At the end of the day Amity gets the BOTD because her dynamic is about how much she hates her mom and how Odalia will not stop doubling down because she will never let Amity make her own choices. Im ok with Luz wanting to champion that.
Andrea there was no excuse. What benefit is there to Andrea drawing the hardline on how the poorest family in Brighton is homeless. As her fathers child she should not only not care she should laugh at the idea Molly is at the breadline
They jumped WAY INTO THE DEEP END getting the ball rolling with Andrea with no long term gameplan. This should have done an arc where Andrea puts her name on the deed to Molly's house and tells her family they never have to worry about paying rent, morgage or utilities ever again BUT the McGee's are now indebted to the Davenports because they own the property and their options are homelessness or occasionally doing favors for the Davenports.
Your ideas are fricking terrible
Not enough references to Iowa.
>season 1 had both schizo writing in the beginning (Andrea getting redeemed too quickly and insincerely, Tammy being a nothingburger, all those black granny episodes, etc) and some of it was aired out of order
>killed off the cool main villain far too quickly and without proper build up
>season 2 opens up with glaring retcons and a squad of poochies being introduced (neither are never a good sign)
>their ability to write sentimental episodes began to severely diminish, Libby's dad episode and 100% mcmutt episode come to mind
>hire several landwhales from the same Loud house staff that backstabbed Chris Savino and not expect them to usurp your show
>ex-TLH writers self-insert shit like Alina that further damages the brand
>black granny episodes were meant to lead into her dying, but this never panned out and so they're pointless
>string of really cheap bottle episodes that relied too much on characters screaming at each other
>unforgivable Halloween episode that was just a disguised clip show of everyone's previous alt-outfits
>episode about tiktok that was just completely pointless and involved Pete running around in a recycled outfit that made no sense
>Tammy given a token cameo at the tail end of season 2, but it was meaningless and she gets cheated again by the """""protagonists""""
>the big reveal at the end was noticed by most fans as early as Todd's VA appearing in the credits, not really properly paced out, and the bittersweet ending did not really fit with this show
>the big reveal at the end was noticed by most fans as early as Todd's VA appearing in the credits, not really properly paced out, and the bittersweet ending did not really fit with this show
It would’ve somehow been paced even worse if they got a third season given that was supposedly going to be “all about” teasing a twist everybody already guessed.
>glaring retcons
I know the main one, but did they retcon something else?
What retcons?
The biggest and most obvious was that Scratch was given credit for defeating the Chairman.
The flow of failed phantoms was also turned into a place where actually bad ghosts were imprisoned, and Scratch is scolded for destroying it
The council also never answer for their own crimes and instead Billybob try to make them into a cheap quartet imitation of Statler and Waldorf by some old fart VAs eating up half the budget that falls on its face
>The flow of failed phantoms was also turned into a place where actually bad ghosts were imprisoned, and Scratch is scolded for destroying it
It goes back to being bad in the finale.
But at the end of the day none of that matters because the whole point of Scratch becoming the Chairman is that he hates his job and he hates the council and later the council begins to hate him because if he's not taking his job seriously it makes them look bad
Its ridiculous how they didnt just GIVE the job immediately to Jinx given how she liked how the system worked before. Entirely unintentionally I once theorized how because of Davenports draining all the economic wealth out of Brighton everyone is miserable but they all shop at Davenports because Davenports gives them materialism to feed into their empty lives to pretend to not feel sad
So when Molly comes to Brighton and teaches everyone you can be happy without consumerism you create an angle where the Davenports hate the McGee's because it makes their company look bad, you have the angle where Andrea goes from being a brat who hates how Molly can be so happy despite being so poor until it dawns on her that the vapidness of her personality is no different then everyone else in Brighton and how the ghosts hate the McGee's for improving Brighton and getting rid of all the misery that sustains them
Looking further into this the Ghosts should have sided with the Davenports the way Preston wanted to side with Bill
>entire season-long arc dedicated to showing that Scratch isn't a good fit for the job he repeatedly stated he didn't want or ask for or do anything to earn and that he had to be forced to do but also this is somehow all his fault
I don't know why people were disappointed we didn't get chairman Ollie, it would've just been more of this tedious bullshit
But the absolute worst thing is that only Molly and Olly and people associated with Olly's family get Danny Phantom powers
Libby deserves ghost powers. She can turn into a Sob Goblin and Andrea can turn into something like Jinx.
But no. Zero oversight is ever put into this stupid show even on a strictly stand alone episodic level this doesnt work because the filler Ep's are boring especially the ones that arent even andrea focused
And the ones at are have her act OoC
At the very least it seemed like Ollie would have excitedly handled his role as chairman and tried to change things. Not sure if it really would have mattered much but that is a different direction than Scratch who hated his job and wanted to be done with it. I don't trust them to have stuck the landing regardless.
Supposedly they weren't going to actually go anywhere with it and the moral was just work life balances.
>I can't remember how that was resolved
Yeah, this is funny. Not even the writers who took over the show from BillBob cared enough about it to remember the conclusion to what was supposed to be the big drama of the third season. Just awesome.
Its because these fricks didnt watch S1 or they refused to expand upon concepts from S1.
BUT IT WAS ABSOLUTELY NECCESSARY TO HAVE AN EP ABOUT MOLLY AND HER FAMILY BEING ADDICTED TO FARMING SIMS
SO IMPORTANT
AN ANDREA EP DIED FOR THIS
>AN ANDREA EP DIED FOR THIS
Thank. Fricking. God.
>Its ridiculous how they didnt just GIVE the job immediately to Jinx given how she liked how the system worked before.
Well, there is a reason, as it turns out
She's a woman
I think the idea was supposed to be that they got redeemed by considering Scratch a friend even though they had no positive interactions with him whatsoever besides that one song at the very start of the season that was just him telling them to frick off.
If it's bright and yella, it never happened fella
Remind me, didnt S2 get like an entire new team who not only didnt watch any of S1 but what little of S1 they watched they skimmed thru it and decided "frick it. soft reboot everything."
The glaring contrast reminds me of DC Super Hero Girls where S1 was all about setting up antagonists and plots for each individual member of the group then S2 happens and suddenly not only is the Antagonist Gallery suddenly cut into 2/3 it feels like there is this insane focus on Supergirl focused plots
Hell there was a back to back series of Ep where Supergirl meets Wonder Woman's mom. Then her aunt. Molly feels the same way
Andrea was not the same character anymore after that Candy Charity Ep. The degree she suddenly changed so noticable it only made the show worse. A simple "Wow. Thanks McGee. Dunno what that was about but I like you."
How you leap from that to "I dont want you to be homeless" and you fail to sell that as in character was way too big of a leap.
>this insane focus on Supergirl focused plots
SG is kind of moronic so it's pretty easy to write for her. Next to babs she's my favorite so I didn't really mind that much, though I do wish babs got more episodes. Dammit Lauren, can you just stay on a show for more than one season?
>Cheetah completely disappears despite being booked as a foil for Wonder Woman
>Star Sapphire gets 2 Ep's. One involving on how to look after children and the finale which was the crossover with TTG
>Lena Luthor completely disappears
>Zee's whole ass plot with her mom wanting to manifest within her magic is dropped even tho its referenced in the Ep where Zee wants her birthday to be every day
Yeh, S2 was honestly a lot worse, even if I still enjoy it
The worst was Andrea's plot. If Davenports in Demise got a continuation that was uninterrupted it would have been revealed that the Davenports arent even actually proper citizens of Brighton. Their mansion is their summer home and its there smallest one. There is a line in the script how Andrea doesnt even feel all that bad that her family has to leave Brighton because her father is in full cut the finger to save the hand mode because he'll just build a Davenports elsewhere and start over
Its like the complete opposite how Molly is living in her car. Meanwhile Davenports go bankrupt and Andrea goes "Eh. We'll face time."
>Halloween episode that was just a disguised clip show of everyone's previous alt-outfits
I'll give you everything else but the Halloween episode was mostly ok. Story wise at least. Of course the Ollie change of heart was way too fast but that's not surprising considering what this show has done before. Not having new outfits was a big mess though and for a Halloween episode that is the one thing you are supposed to get right. That they couldn't even do that right is really telling.
>episode takes place 90% inside a tent where Bill and Bob's ghost avatars touch a bunch of kids, and 10% inside a reskin of "Brighton Generic Festival #589924"
thats when I knew it was over
They really should have leaned into the idea of that being the Ep where everyone in Brighton realizes how absolutely fricked their community has been for centuries that Brighton is a haunted area that is plagued by the Paranormal
They could have leaned further a few Ep's later where Molly has to pretend this is technically not her fault while telling everyone in town "Me? Talk with ghosts? What a ridiculous idea I would know nothing about it."
Why was there no Ep of Maxwell making stupid ghost charms that dont work but since everyone is paranoid about ghosts they panic purchase all of Maxwell's stupid shit and he makes a fantastic quarter at the expense of the town's stupidity
See there is another way you could have redeemed Andrea and had it feel better then how they did it.
But it had one of the best songs in the show.
Yeah, I said I mostly liked the episode. But not having new costumes for most of the cast is the biggest mess up a Halloween episode can do.
This is not "There is No Way Im Missing a Snow Day"
Why does every post in this thread segue into talking about Andrea
Apart from this cartoon being a:
Failed comedy
Failed lore cartoon
Failed Simpsons in Michigan
It came right after TOH peaked in popularity. EVERYONE wanted to see another plot lore cartoon with LESBIANS, but the creator hurry to say Molly was straight, and a bunch of people stop caring about the show, then season 2 came and it was very bad.
The creator wanted it to be like the simpsons but all the secondary characters were fricking boring
I think the production failed to see people would only care about molly-andrea-libby, the ghosts stuff was garbage, the ghost hunters plot was garbage, ollie is garbage, just straight up failed at everything
Also the people who wanted Molly shipped with Andrea are all lapsed Lumity fans who jumped into the show for Andrea's development then left immediately when Olly was introduced
This board will never understand they hate Olly how they used to hate Hunter.
Funny thing is that Season 3 would've been about Ollie becoming ruler of an alternate dimension full of beings he hates and plotting to destroy them all from the inside.
Olly and Libby had like an 80/20 crapshoot on the final season and had very little to do with either Molly or Andrea especially Andrea who looked like she was getting even less focus going forward
It felt like Olly was only created just to distance Molly away from all Ghosts plots which seems needless because Ghosts are kinda around in S2 but the comparison between plots with ghosts and plots without ghosts are huge
Its like a ravine. Imagine a Stonetoss edit of "Isnt this show suppose to be about ghosts?"
I think some anons mentioned this, but here its some context:
>The creator, for some reason, never wanted Andrea to be an important character
>The production ended very early, I think before season 2 premiered, and Disney didn't like the result, any hope for season 3 ended
>the creator wanted to write more slice of life adventures with ghosts, but never really committed to it
>Ollie was 100% a Disney thing, they really wanted to make Molly straight to not repeat the luz and amity situation, but the writers didn't really know how to write Ollie since he wasn't a planned character
>Ollie was 100% a Disney thing, they really wanted to make Molly straight to not repeat the luz and amity situation, but the writers didn't really know how to write Ollie since he wasn't a planned character
That's not true, it was their own decision
the ghost hunters were planned very early, but Ollie's being Molly's boyfriend was more on Disney's part
>Ollie's being Molly's boyfriend was more on Disney's part
Prove it.
I can't really prove it because it is something that a very good friend who works at Disney studios told me, just consider this, Disney HAS A LOT of influence in their shows, if you think a creator has all the power you are wrong, and Disney likes to push things in their cartoons that they think will help to make the cartoon more "appealing to the audience"
That's why all modern Disney and also, you will see channels like Nick and CN copy is this pattern:
>Female brown protagonist of 13-14 years old
>Secondary female character who is bi/gay
>Male best friend of the protagonist who is a love interest
>The most diverse case possibly
What my friend said basically was this: At first Molly Mcgee was supposed to be a comedy slice of like like the simpsons with ghosts, that's what the creator wanted, then it became more lore and serious in the production, that's were the ghosts hunters came, one of the ghost hunters was going to be a boy of the same age as Molly, thought it was unclear if this was a romance, THEN Disney executives made it clear they wanted a romantic love interest for Molly and a lot of episodes dedicated to him, it was more like a last minute inclusion.
That's why in a lot of episodes where Ollie is not relevant, he doesn't appear at all
>all modern Disney
>literally two shows, one already canned and the other getting canned after two seasons
I believe this. Do you remember all of the negative reaction that Turning Red got about how the entire plot was a euphuism about an underage girl going into womanhood
There is no way they didnt pitch the Period Ep with that same intention in mind hoping all the negative feedback would result in hate watching AND with it being an Andrea Ep they'd wanna watch it even more.
The drawback is by the time the Ep aired on the App everyone stopped caring because of Olly
What its clear to me is that the creator got his show hijacked by feminists and disney, while Molly Mcgee's was probably never that great, the original vision of Bob never came, I believe he did give up and let other people do whatever with his story
It was more Bill’s story than Bob’s
Very common. I remember when they put Sabrina Cortugo under the bus because Dana felt like her show was losing focus with Sabrina leaning too deep into the Lumity Ep's
Like by making the ship too noticable too early Disney deliberately wouldnt air the show in most international markets. That is why Disney + is going thru a complete overhaul without the DTVA division in mind because Disney needs Marvel to be the focus for international markets like China because they value their money more then the American dollar.
Oh yeah, also both the school of magic and I THINK, Gus, was a disney thing. You know, Dana, add the non-threatening black male comedy relief.
What is a huge rumor, is that Dana, unlike Matt, was a huge b***h to deal with. I think Disney pretty much blacklisted her
I hate Gus for being the embodiment of how messy the magic system was and for being a good idea/character thrown away.
>Bard magic is literally "frick you I win" the power
>Unless you cover your ears
>Which is stupid because why does Bard Magic not force you to uncover your ears
Gus is hilarious because if you watch all of S2 all in one go without having to wait for Ep's to air week to week you'll notice how Gus has the least amount of focus out of everyone in the squad despite getting an upgrade to his magic that literally makes him Madara
Like he somehow gets the Disney equivalent of the Mangekyō but Luz's titan form is apparently treated as a way bigger deal. The cast system was bullshit. Some magic is just dogshit.
at least I'm glad dana and matt got do their shows despite being fricked by disney, both of them in different ways
what is sad, its that a cartoon creator probably won't have that freedom again in a long time, the market disney now is trying to pull is not complex stories or lore, its more "turn off your brain" time of shows
>Molly Mcgee was supposed to be a comedy slice of like like the simpsons with ghosts, that's what the creator wanted
Bullshit, everything revealed so far just points to the creators, particularly Bill, only wanting the wraith ending to happen to share with everyone his trauma of watching "For the Love of Fred" as a youngster.
For more info, basically Disne'y policy for LGBT character is: NEVER EVER make the MC queer in some way, but we need diversity in our shows, so make a secondary character lesbian, that's why we have things like Becker from the Hailey show, and also other safe representation like gay parents are welcomed
Becker and Andrea, and others to come as well are the maximun disney will allow to show gay characters
Luz is a carpet muncher
Yeah, and now Dana is paying the price for tricking the mouse as one of their blacklisted artists
If Andrea has to be gay to maximize their ESG score and it absolutely under no circumstances cant be with Molly even tho that is what this fandom wants then why would they make Andrea's OC GF so fricking disgusting and visually unpleasing
She's fricking obese.
The worst thing about Molly McGee is that when you begin to notice the patten of the average Ep especially in S2 you notice how the musical segment takes up a whole 1/3 of the Ep and exists entirely just to waste time and animation budget
You know how Hazbin threads like to gaslight people how their musicals are important to the overall story despite Cinemaphile suggesting otherwise?
Molly has the opposite problem. It would flow better as a show WITHOUT musical segments of saving musical segments if you have a very good song in mind.
At least in Hazbin (and also other disney pseudo-musical shows like Kiff) the musical numbers are generally sung by the actual characters instead of random disembodied singers like they are in Molly, which really makes it feel like the musical numbers are an obligation instead of what they actually want to do.
>Ollie was 100% a Disney thing
Was it? I remembered BillBob mentioning it was something the other writers wanted to add and they just bent over and let them take over.
>everybody wants LEZSHIT
When will we get representation for those of us who like little girl-adult male relationships?
Incidentally, ghost hunters were originally supposed to come in during the first season rather than after, which might be part of why they felt so unfocused.
Libby should have been the autism representation. June should have been simply a kid genius.
Libby always felt like the original representation ship they had in mind because Libby feels very special around Molly throughout all of S1 she made a huge fricking deal how the Ba Matizvah was a private affair where only her family and Molly were invited and Molly decided to invite Andrea who as of that part in the story hates Libby and Libby hates her.
Don't forget her need to plaster turtles everywhere. I think there was a leaked script that would have actually addressed Libby's neurosis in terms of OCD and how she manages it.
Molly should have been there for when Libby met her loser dad. The fact that Molly is the B plot where she has to look after Libby's turtle when emotionally Molly would have contributed more to Libby being disappointed how her father isnt capable like Molly's is.
That is something Libby and Andrea could have had in common with "I guess im not the only one who is disappointed in my dad."
not enough libby becoming my wife!
Molly McGee was a show that wanted to do everything, but accomplished nothing.
Scratch should have been Molly's imaginary friend. The entire concept of ghosts doesnt work in a show like this. This would have functioned better as sort of a "Inside Out" situation where Molly is feeling a certain emotion and that emotion manifests itself into a physical form and Scratch teaches Molly to feed deep into that emotion to take advantage of how miserable Molly is feeling in a given situation
>Molly hates Andrea
>Here is your Anger. Your Anger wants you to GET ANGRY at Andrea. Dont think rationally just get angry
That wouldn't have worked because the show was ultimately Scratch's story, Molly was just his manic pixie dream girl.
The humor was genuinely good, especially when Molly and Scratch's VAs were allowed to improv.
how do you guys would fix the show?
This is my idea:
>Molly, Andrea and Libby are the main characters
>As the series progresses, both Andrea and Libby get their own ghost too
>Andrea's Ghost is a beautiful petty elegant female ghost
>Libby's ghost is a fat, huge nerd one
>The girls eventually learn how to "fuse" with their ghosts to become powerful and have abilities in the real world
>The show premise is about the girls hunting evil ghosts that hurt the town people (so now you have an excuse to meet the townies and care about them)
>Season 1 villain is the equivalent of the Chairman, but not quite, imagine a giant evil ghost that wants to consume the entire's town on Christmas
>Season 2 begins at the summer
>The ghost hunters are actually a treat
>Ollie is still Molly's love interest but of course, he is better
>Darren gets his own ghost as well
>And so does Ollie, after his "redemption" arc, he befriends a female ghost of a little girl
>Libby's dad episode is a 24 minutes, and at the end she doesn't forgive him
>Andrea's family loses all their money and lives for some episodes with Molly until her family moves (thanks to molly) to a new house, making it similar to when Andrea did that for molly's family.
>Season 2 villain is still Jinx
>She wants to open a permanent gap between worlds to let all ghost in
>Molly, Ollie and Andrea beat her
>Everyone is happy
Andrea's Ghost Powers should be channeled thru rage. Like Andrea excels the easiest out of being able to scare people because she's natually a very angry and demanding person
Meanwhile Libby struggles the most on this so she goes to people like Geoff to teach her how to be a proper scarer.
>every suggestion for how the show could've been better is "have the show be about Andrea going on adventures about big businesses and small town economies"
Cinemaphile can criticize but it sure as frick can't write.
That is not what I wanted
I wanted a show where an overly optimistic but very stupid girl gives advice that is objectively awful which results in situation of the week Ep's that Molly has to fix
>Andrea isnt bonding with her family
>Molly gives some advice on how to fix the problem
>Andrea begins bonding with her family again which only makes Andrea and her family MORE EVIL because of Molly's bad advice
It would have been great. You could have had a horrified Molly look in abject terror as a thrilled Andrea go "Molly your advice was incredible. Daddy was right. Poor people are the worst and we WILL make your lives SO MUCH WORSE. Like its bad now but we're gonna deliberately make it so much worse.
>BUT WERE BONDING NOW ISNT THAT GREAT
My idea is "Make the show about Molly, Libby, and Andrea, and write it sort of like a ripoff of Ed, Edd n Eddy".
MAKE ANDREA THE EDDY OF THIS DYNAMIC
Every Ep should be about Andrea wanting to milk poor people dry of all their money and Molly telling her "can you do this in an ethical way?"
>Molly you cant be making up words
>ETHICAL IS A REAL WORD ANDREA
>Not in my dictionary
It should have been a show about helping good ghosts pass on and eliminating evil ghosts.
It should have been a show that was similar in tone to Billy and Mandy + Making Fiends
Molly already acts like Charlotte so Andrea should be an amalgamation character of various Spoiled Brats.
>Andrea
>Andrea
>Andrea
>Andrea
>Andrea
Imagine being this jealous that your waifu's not a main character
Every thread
>Andrea should've been made more important
>they should've made Molly gay for Libby
>Ollie killed the show
>Scratch should've been non-existent/imaginary
It's a yurigay mad that the show wasn't just a CGDCT plus yuri
>they should've made Molly gay for Libby
I thought it was the other way around?
I dont care about Andrea's relationship drama. I would have preferred even the most predictable and boring option possible if it meant Andrea mattered more in the grand scheme of things
What I wanted was for Andrea to be a throwback kind of Spoiled Brat. I wanted a Brittany or a Bad End Pacifica who relished in the idea that she can manipulate the masses by doing cute dances and she bonds with her father who see's her as a souless CEO someday
you get me.
Is Bread guy literally writing all this shit about Andrea?
Honestly, if you delete Andrea from the show, nothing really changes.
Youre correct.
And thats the overall problem. I dont like how they need a character that stops the plot whenever she is sad or inconvenienced but it somehow doesnt have a larger impact of the plot going forward
She's like this weird sacred cow character the way Marcy was in Amphibia where its just not allowed to call Marcy out on her stupid bullshit.
But Marcy totally did get called out. Sasha was outright disgusted by her, and Anne told her what she did was wrong.
Marcy should have been the villain. The stupidest part of Amphibia's plot is even pretending that Marcy wants anything to do with the human world when intellectually speaking she feels the most free living among a semi technologically advanced isekai society of talking reptiles that fused magic with machinery
They should have made Marcy like a Ted K kind of villain where she has found a perfect society where she doesnt wanna rule it merely just exist within it but the drama comes from how her parents want her to come home
So this in turn makes Marcy a more Anti Hero kind of villain where she begins to hate Sasha and Anne because they "think too small" all Sasha wants to do is conquest and all Anne wants to do is go back to how boring her life was before.
>Marcy was in Amphibia where its just not allowed to call Marcy out on her stupid bullshit.
Did you miss the entire last third of the show where all of Marcy's screentime was devoted to calling her out on her stupid bullshit?
Andrea will NEVER be a ghost friend
Andrea isnt allowed to be evil
She's not allowed to have Ghost Powers
Shes not allowed to have actual real adventures with Molly and Libby
She merely exists to be attracted to fat people and promote ESG
Ollie needed his own ghost companion living in his house that he has to hide from his family.
Yeah that's what I said
I was thinking a more dark Ollie could use to have a little girl as a ghost friend so tender his heart
Playing up his protective older sibling side would have been one more way to distinguish him from Molly.
Finale was good.
Yes it was. It left the right amount of sentimental weight after it was over.
He did nothing wrong
>Season 3's main plot was to literally make Ollie the center of the universe.
Dont forget the Davenports bouncing back out of Bankruptcy and rebuilding Davenports from scratch so not only do they actually feel the ramifications of their actions the writers actively create moronic fail safes that prevent them from being poor.
I don't fricking care about the davenports, man.
Olliegods stay winning
>Ollie needs to be louder, angrier, and have access to the Chairman robe
>Whenever Ollie’s not onscreen, all the other characters should be asking “Where’s Ollie?”
People used to make this same joke for Andrea
Writers stopped trying.
Or they started trying. I'm not too sure.
They were brought in when Bill and Bob forgot to maximize the ESG talking points per Ep
>Lets have a Global Warming Ep
>Andrea is in it
>Is it about how her father is one of the biggest polluters in all of Brighton
>Nope
>Is this plot point ever gonna be brought up
>Nope
>And even if it did Andrea's not gonna be the one to stop him
Libby should've shot up her school but specifically just Andrea
Make a Molly edit with this
>LOTS OF THINGS ARENT FUNNY ANDREA! YOU LAUGHING AT ME PEEING MYSELF AT THE SLUMBER PARTY WASNT FUNNY! GASLIGHTING ME IN FRONT OF THE WHOLE SCHOOL WASNT FUNNY
https://files.catbox.moe/x11o9j.mp3
I think the show comes off as too childish at first and less like a show for all ages. It took a few episodes before it got going. I think nowadays you can't really have a rough start to find your footing. You have to be perfect from the start. People nowadays will watch things in order. It's not like before streaming when the episodes would appear randomly. The first few episodes are too childish. The airing order should have changed to spread out the first few lamer episodes.
If we had a time machine, they could show this show next time Kim Possible. I think that would have really given it the shot in the arm it needed. Or maybe if they held onto the show and released it alongside Phineas and Ferb when that show gets rebooted. Also, crossovers could really help.
They should have had merchandise for sale from day one and paid influencers to review the show. It would advertise the show and get more people to sign up for Disney Plus. They also would have made money off of merchandise sales.
Say what you will about digital circus but they know how the game is played. You make something you advertise the merch and make it available immediately.
Didnt Bill and Bob say how they had several different pitch pilots for this series they havent revealed to the public from all the differently available concept art back when Andrea was suppose to be Blonde and way more directly antagonistic then she is in the final product
I straight up remember someone saying this show was being pitched as early as 2005
yes
>All this shit they originally had planned for Andrea
>They stripped most of this shit down and just skipped straight to the whole "I am le misunderstood I just wanna le be my own person."
ANDREA'S MOM ISNT EVEN A CHARACTER IN THIS SHOW
THE FRICK IS THE BRIGHTON WOMEN'S CLUB
THATS NOT IN THE SHOW THATS NOT EVEN IN THE SCRIPTS
>Andrea's mom went from being the central antagonistic focus of the show to not even being a character at all
>Maxwell is not the mayor
What in the absolute frick
Was this what Bill and Bob meant by the "focus group" where they were told to tone down Andrea like were they showed a bunch of slide show panels or did they make test animation of this.
Andrea is so great. She should have been the main character
Big Pupils
are these real? looks like someone's delusions made to look like actual pitch material by dressing them up in existing concept art
They're real
>Brighton Women's Club
If only her mother was less of a sex doll, and more of Helen Lovejoy
They gave her an expensive VA and she speaks literally one line of dialogue. Most of the parental authority in Andrea's life is thru Maxwell which is funny because in the Pitch Bible, despite Maxwell owning the entire town, Andrea's mom was clearly the one in charge
So literally another paralel to Pacifica where its revealed that Preston holds the money but the authority comes from her mom.
The formatting made me think it was one of pic related. Also, we dodged a bullet. The generic blonde rival who is rich is way overdone (not saying what we got in the final product was great but still)
It was probably already brought up, but it would have been interesting if another reason why Andrea (either concept or final) hated Molly so much was because of the fact Molly had a loving and supporting family, something Andrea desperately lacked (despite having more money than sense), and it made her insanely jealous.
Andrea's relationship with her family is strange. When you watch the Candy Ep, and Maxwell turns his back to Andrea for a moment to finish up a business text message he's working on, Andrea starts acting like a stubborn child who acts like she is never been hugged in her entire life. After reading the pitch bible I now understand why that scene was in the Ep because that was a small comeback of the original plan they had for this "arc" where Andrea's mom scold's Andrea for not "doing more for the family"
This also explains why Andrea was doing all that fake charity work because I figured we were gonna see more of the Davenports not really caring at all about doing nice things to benefit the poor but its all neccessary for Tax Write Offs and positive PR
Literally none of this happens and come Davenports on Demand all of Andrea's parents disappear and we never see them again. Theyre in the S3 scripts but theyre LATE into S3
I honestly don't really like bully characters and wished she was nice to them from the start although I guess there really is only like one episode where she is mean.
Nothing. Quite looking forward to s2 if it ever comes out.
Why did Scratch do it?
I still love Andrea even though season 2 ruined her.
They needed more interactions between Molly and Andrea, Andrea and Libby solo to deal with their previous disconnect, Andrea with her family and just the Davenports wanting to know more about the McGee's in general
If Andrea's mom was originally going to be the main antagonist with Maxwell sort of just being the "listen to your mother" kind of antagonist akin to like Drew Pickles from Rugrats then why was there no Ep of the Davenports passive aggressively inviting the McGee's to dinner to "gauge" them and they could mock them subtly and with them not being all the wiser to it but feeling uncomfortable and unwelcome despite being invited to the party
To be honest, she wasn't a character enough in season 2 to be ruined like you said, she was just kinda there.
Judging from the scripts she was even less of a character come S3. She went from "Amity S1A" to Pacifica S2B and then ending it off with just being Amity for the remainder of the series
She is not a character with feelings and inspirations she is a prize.
>ctrl+f "andrea"
>127 results
Andreagays thought the show was about her for some reason
Meanwhile libby has 36 despite being a more important character
Guess people like the recycled Pacifica trope
Andrea didn't even feel like the same character midway thru S1 but after seeing her pitch bible he character is so far beyond her original intention that final product Andrea feels like someone's drastically inferior OC
I want the original pitch for Molly McGee. Frick the show we were given I want the show that was planned
>Frick the show we were given I want the show that was planned
they’re basically the same fricking thing
No the frick they arent. Andrea had depth and layers that are not even the final product. They had an actual honest to God plan for Andrea; they had a bigger plan for Andrea's family
why was none of this used in show. All of the shit from S2 you could have put thru the damn paper shredder but they got rid of all this character development that exists entirely in a hypothetical sense
The pitch bible description is the most basic b***h mean girl redemption arc there is
Still better then "President of the Geode Club + I'm gay and attracted to fat girls" Andrea
the thing is they still more or less went with the same plot, they just entirely removed Andrea's parents having any wrongdoing
Andrea's dad is basically just a greedy goofball. If he were Stan Pines or Eda Clawthorne he would be "le good guy" career criminal. Her mom doesn't really have much character, she is a business woman that drives an SUV, hell Patricia Banks is similar but she actually comes across as a mean mom sometimes. Andrea's does not.
and really, andrea's redemption mostly happens off screen. the episode "talent show" was actually produced after "don't good" and andrea is still acting like a brat, she only starts to turn the corner in lucky penny and home is where the haunt is where she suddenly becomes incredibly altruistic and nice without much explanation why.
>none of this mattered, she's crying for no reason, it was a tax write off just like this show
I always thought the Lucky Penny Ep was gonna reveal that it took a literal powerful paranormal force beyond Maxwell's tiny comprehension to get him to finally start paying attention to Andrea and then when Libby takes the magic penny away it becomes noticeable immediately how Andrea's life goes back to the way it was
You can even take it a step further by having Maxwell go "When did we buy a horse?"
>Daddy you bought me that as a gift...10 MINS AGO
>Phhh. Yeah right like i'd spend money on something like a pony. I wont even give you a parade more then once a year
Yes and somehow that was better than the inconsistent mediocrity we got.
Telling everyone named oondrea to stand up, hearing andrea correct me and then shooting her
Andrea’s entire presence in the two part finale is a two second background cameo
>They had zero plans for Andrea in all 3 of the finales
>mogged by a bedwetter
And they say bullies don't get bad karma
Becky > Stacey
I can't live with the fact that we're not gonna see this little israelite again. It's not fair. What am I supposed to do now?
Probably the best thing is recreate the scripts with AI and get it popular enough that we have people work together to storyboard the whole thing
Can I make Andrea an irredeemable piece of shit if AI gets advanced enough
I don't see why not. I always thought at some point Jinx was going to possess Andrea or at least brainwash her into hating Scratch and Molly so she could use her wealth to destroy them
Andrea doesnt really interact with ghosts all that much. I remember when they introduced the Sobgoblin my initial fear is that they would accidentally find there way over to Andrea's mansion and all of Andrea's family would get possessed by them and since Sobgoblins force emotions out of people everyone in the family would just admit that they were unhappy with themselves
Andrea would complain how her daddy doesnt pay enough attention to her.
It played things too safe.
It didnt play anything at all. Most of S2 was like the worst of S1 filler
I cant even begin to conceptualize how Cinemaphile waited for these Ep's week to week. There is barely anything to discuss
Even the worse of Amphibia filler was better then the dogshit of Molly McGee
How do you fix this show?
Dont redeem Andrea at all. Take out the stupid proposal of humanizing Andrea from the original pitch bible and just have Andrea's core motivation in life to make her parents happy. Have the story be her parents while still evil are actually way more lenient and understanding over how hard she's trying to impress them but Andrea is her own biggest enemy who gaslights herself into thinking she's not doing enough.
A good example of this would be the character Gem Stone from Sabrina the Teenage Witch who knows at her core she is a genuinely awful person who is never gonna stop being a genuinely awful person and is also aware her parents sometimes feel abject terror when being near her but theyre obligated to love her despite her purposeful bad choices
1 gay wedding episode
2 climate change episode
3 Andrea's in love with a troony
4 Featuring both Thai Budhism and Judiasm while going out of their way to never touch Christianity
Season 2 pretty much sucked the dick of wokeness and was rewarded with the cum of market failure.
Also, whats with every cartoon teenager being drawn to look like their 9 years old? Its weird.
The Global Warming Ep was strange because Andrea is in that Ep as a gag because she's confused and a little upset that Molly took the scenic route to her mansion and missed her entire birthday party
I thought the Global Warming Ep was going to be about Molly trying to convince Andrea to lower her and her families Carbon Footprint but refusing to do so because poor people need to make up the blunt of the impact of Global Warming so the Davenports can continue to be comfortable
There were multiple Ep's that feel like it was leading up to this. Hell they even did a gag where Andrea gaslight everyone in school to recycle and then she drives away in a huge SUV and everyone is too stupid to call out the irony.
Nah, it's just that not even they believe this garbage. It's indeed for the little minds, such as yours.
Someone has to tell molly that climate change is a democrat psyop
It should have been the Davenports
Hell Andrea already takes me as the kind of person who would bond with her father their hatred for nature. There is countless examples of this like when Andrea gave her dad the thumbs up to tear down the Brighton forest to expand a bigger davenports parking lot since that wasnt the reason why she came to see him
Its strange how that never goes acknowledged again, Molly never knows about it or S2 pretends it never happened.
man I need more tammy bullying molly art
I need more of Tammy and that other girl from Turnipball who was essentially Tammy
Quinby. She was cute too. I liked both her kind and sweet personality and her intense, rage-fueled personality.
Molly McGee is the only show where Cinemaphile was open to the idea of having 3 different stacies just being themselves whenever possible. They all should have formed a trio.
I like the way you think.
We could've had a Quinby vs Tammy vs Andrea three way Stacy catfight, but Bill and Bob were too busy making a gorillion episodes about ugly bastard townies and gay ghomance.
Is there something "below" that image?
And I bet all of them are saying the name wrong.
You could merge 2/3 of S2 with S1 and just call it S1 and no one would question it or care
Simple, anon. It's Hollywood. They cant coom if the girls look older than 10. They design them with future fan art in mind.
Andrea is literally 13. She turned 13 in S2 which means Molly met her when she was 12
>They cant coom if the girls look older than 10.
Funny to say that on Cinemaphile
Literally the only problem here was 3
if disney wanted a good animated series about ghosts they shouldn't have shelved the haunted mansion show that was pitched twice
In my opinion. The art style of the show was so unique, that to make a fan art you must first change your art style to make a likeable drawing. If not you wouldn't have that aura of fanarts you see on the internet, so you just say frick no, and upload nothing.
Yup. It was an intimidating style. But if you trace it, you can get some good shit like this thing I made.
Forgot pic
I'm going to miss how expressive this show was. If Hailey's on It is any indication, we're looking at a stiff future.
YES
I’ve noticed that about the style of Molly McGee, it may not seem like it, but it can be b***h to master and imitate.
And THATS how you know you have a good artstyle! If others find it so difficult to replicate. I’ve seen good fan artists on Twitter and Instagram complain about how hard the style is to imitate.
It’s not like the Beanmouth were any dog can do it, nah, you need a good understanding of the basics of art and how to exaggerate them like Justin Rodriguez did
I watched for Andrea which at the end of the day turned out to be a mistake
This board can lie to you all it wants but it and /trash/ watched only for Andrea you misunderstand how huge of an audience there is for hate sink characters because it awakens the crying emoji men deep within their souls.
It’s The Ghost And Molly McGee, not The Boring-Ass Rich Girl And Molly McGee
Believe me, with how Andrea sort of leans into being like Amity she might as well not even be rich. She doesnt deserve it
Andrea with money is like me asking why Amity isnt a single parent house hold because she is clearly Alador's child
the problem is that molly and scratch are boring, libby and most important, andrea, are way more interesting characters
same case as amphibia where anne is boring compared to sasha and marcy
I will never forget the day that Matt malded uncontrollably how Marcy got dead last in the popularity contest compared to Anne and Sasha meanwhile Sasha dominated the entire final result with an overwhelming majority
Amphibia was when it really started getting stupid how Disney was going thru this phase where THERE MUST BE A GROUP OF 3 CHARACTERS AT ALL TIMES
They get to Molly and midway thru S1 they realized "this is stupid."
Sasha dominates Amphibia’s narrative, Anne is paired with SashaX, and Marcy is irrelevant. You could sacrifice her without losing too much
When it was revealed that Marcy forced her friends to go on an isekai adventure because they were not interested in her boring sleepover and then add to that Marcy not wanting to better herself as a person by going to a prestigious private school if she cant take Anne and Sasha with her even tho they have radically different set goals in life shows to me they should have just killed Andrias and made Marcy the villain
Even if you dont want her to be a full villain make her an Anti Hero. Like she prefers the day to day consistency of living in Amphibia because she is apart of a world where she absolutely doesnt have a single clue on how the day is gonna turn out but it gives her mind the ability to research that fact
Sasha could start off as a villain just finding Amphibia overall disgusting but finding violence and conquest to be something she's into. Like you can have the dynamic be "Either you go home or I destroy Amphibia into nothingness then i'll really give you something to cry about."
>Sasha dominates Amphibia’s narrative
A lot of what Sasha did was done off-screen and she really didn't do much in S3:B.
Because half of S3 was about Anne goofing off in LA and spending god knows how many weeks doing stupid bullshit meanwhile Sasha is hiding underground with Grime and the rest of Wartwood wondering if Marcy is going to kill them or worse make Sasha more like her
There was a contest?
>Andrea
>interesting
HAHAHAHAHAHA
Andrea in her current state is better for fan manipulation that enforcing the canon of her own show.
Now im way more interested in Blonde Andrea then I am with "LGBTQ" Andrea
>Molly and Scratch are boring
I disagree. They're enjoyable characters who work well together.
I unironically like ghosts irl and fiction but the ghost stuff felt tacked on. Especially after knowing that billy bob originally had vampires in mind.
>the problem is that molly and scratch are boring
I was more likely to tune in for Libby but I disagree on this. They had a good dynamic like an old married couple
Molly and Scratch weren't boring. Hell, I'd argue that episodes that focused on just them (All Systems No, or even FONAA late in season 2) tended to be some of the best in the series in terms of humor and entertainment.
However, it's their direct supporting characters that are the problem... the McGee family was mostly boring. Pete's ice skating shenanigans and Boston relatives didn't really add much to the show. They had an interesting angle where he was the town planner and helping redesign parts of the city, but, they hardly touched upon it and Molly is given all the credit for fixing Brighton in the end. Sharon had numerous things to her history that were alluded to and never explored except in a boring manner (ie Faint of Art), and Darryl is a contender for one of the worst characters on the show, a boring deux ex machina sibling whose vast differences to Molly had little conflict.
Scratch's whole ordeal with the ghost world started out fun when he was up against the misery meter, but promptly shit the bed when they got rid of the chairman, and his friend Geoff was sacrificed to the ESG altar to be paired off with a creepy bull queer ghost that threatens kids. Jinx was a waste of time as were the frightmares and other evil ghosts.
It's not so much as Libby and Andrea were greatly written characters (they kind of weren't... hell Libby and Andrea's own personal conflict between each other is pretty much resolved off-screen), its just that they stood out as diamonds, or at least cubic zirconias in a sea of shit.
For me, the most egregious one was Sharon. Given how Sharon is "between jobs" because Gig Pig in her universe is like responding to a Craigslist Ad that she gets paid for but Molly's Dad is 100% the breadwinner of the family even tho Sharon wants to be the one who is Career oriented
Andrea got Molly back her house but there never seems to be any continued issue of not being in abject poverty whenever possible. I dont understand how they didnt synergize the idea of the Davenports buying up Gig Pig living Sharon with no other option outside of being a service worker at Davenports
If Molly and Andrea were going to be friends I could see Sharon excelling and becoming a district manager where she starts off doing grunt labor then moves onto being in Davenports HR where she gets the power to fire people.
Obvious, you can really tell which posts were written by him in this thread.
At least both leads were still alive at the end.
She's dead inside.
Did YOU see it coming?
I was the first person to point that out the day the S1 finale aired.
What does have to do with the ghost or molly mcgee?
Don't give a shit about owl house but luz is cute, cope
You watched the show for weird schizo reasons, I watched it for Master Shake.
We are not the same.
Oh boy I love the Ghost Council dragging Scratch back to the Ghost Dimension for him to scream "No I refuse to do my job even tho I have the power to literally bend this dimension to my whim."
Fricking get an intern or just have the Council look after things. Hell give your job to Jinx.
Honestly, they should have leaned into Scratch being the best kind of Chairman because he kept his hands off people's afterlives. He worked best as an almighty janitor/superpowered civil servant.
I watched this show because I was told there was shipping.
There wasn't really. Oliver doesn't show up until Season 2 and is generally boring and underused with his whole family wasted, Andrea is a terrible character and I'm glad she pissed people off by wanting some fat cow for a wife instead of Molly, and Libby just never gets anyone.
>Andrea is a terrible character
Andrea is purposely written to be a terrible character but after seeing her chapter in the pitch bible I am convinced there really was a long drawn out arc that was carefully scripted out for her but it was sanded down to nothiness leaving behind someone who calls herself Andrea but is by all means not the same character
In short, we were robbed and im angry about it. Even if the Redemption Arc happened as planned it would have happened in the very final Ep of the series which means up until then Andrea would have been a tyrannical butthole and thats all I wanted from this show
>I watched this show because I was told there was shipping.
homosexual.
Story of every Western Cartoon ever.
What am I supposed to watch shows for if quality hasn't been a factor for almost a decade?
Isn't most shipping just schizophrenic fan delusions over one second interactions? I don't really care about Oliver, I still think Molibby is extremely cute
>Isn't most shipping just schizophrenic fan delusions over one second interactions?
Yes, but sometimes the shipping actually exists. Like in Star Vs.
I wish characters could have deep, meaningful same sex friendships without people immediately shrieking "ThEy ShOuLd frick".
yurigays got an inch with TOH and now they want a mile
Can you blame them since TOH is garbage?
They got more then a mile from owl house and now they want it in every show
When's the next time we'll get an unapologetic CARTOON this visually fun again? Seems like all the artists who specialize in slapstick humor can only ever find work on Looney Tunes reboots or yet another SpongeBob spin-off with shit humor.
Not in a long time I fear. Most stuff now is either diet anime or stiff shit. Hazbin hotel is honestly the closest thing to a modern cartoony cartoon I can think of
This was one of the best looking cartoon in years. I think the fact that people are attached to one off and background characters speaks to that.
The art looks like it's from 2008 and I don't mean that in a bad way
A deceptive amount of money was spent on this show. There is a reason that when Hailey finally aired Cinemaphile was skeptical about its longevity because the animation looked a lot worse and less interesting to look at since Molly has a high frame count despite being animated in watercolor and flash
But the biggest waste of money was the VA's they pulled in for the show, More specifically Andrea's parents VA's. Didnt Andrea's mom get like a 7 figure contract and she gets paid per sentence...the whole 1 sentence she speaks throughout the whole show?
Not enough israelite MILF
Libby’s mom might be the character most carried by Cinemaphile art. She is NOT that pretty, and her nose is NOT that small
That describes every single Cinemaphile “””milf”””
I disagree with your first point. She's very cute. The other point is spot on though. She's got a massive schnoz and it adds to her appeal.
I find the character designs to be pretty neat, even if the show had its flaws.
Gaslit us about what the ACTUAL premise was.
How so?