Now that the finale is over the plot of 2nd season can basically be summed up as loki just does a bunch of random crap that doesn't matter until he can "level up" and then literally ties up all the loose ends with his powers.
wow what a shit ending
Now that the finale is over the plot of 2nd season can basically be summed up as loki just does a bunch of random crap that doesn't matter until ...
I didn’t watch season two but I saw webms of him grabbing some rope things. What was that all about?
I watched it and have no idea
he's basically reviving/saving all of the timelines with his epic new powers so that they can end the show. the time branches are literally shown as rope like threads that he can physically hold in his hands
>the time branches are literally shown as rope like threads that he can physically hold in his hands
This is interesting to me, because how does that even remotely make sense.
ask the writers who wrote the slop
because it was time loom
Ah, makes sense
if you want to go deeper then can think of the norns and their threads of fate
And if you want to go deeper than that learn to dive
It doesn't. Marvel writers are morons
it does
>how does that even remotely make sense.
Kek it doesn't. Some anons did the mental gymnastics that he is outside of space and this is why they look like threads in his hands, lol. Another anon retconned it into "the threads of fate" and even illustrated it with a Wikipedia picture. Kek it is peak moronation
>how does that even remotely make sense.
Did you miss the part where Loki is an actual god and spent centuries or millennia mastering time manipulation?
>All the marveloid morons don't understand what a physical representation of supernatural phenomena is
Explains a lot.
A 3d being physically grabbing a bunch of 4d strands, then blasting his green magic through them to open up a giant space pussy, then physically walks through space on invisible steps because apparently theres gravity, then goes into the space pussy where he somehow magically becomes a time loom which was already a moronic concept to begin with. Just admit it was fricking stupid
But you said this is not supernatural phenomenon
the show constantly tells you its not a science problem though
He's a god, he can do godlike stuff.
What are his epec new powers? Does he have to hold the ropes forever?
>starts time slipping for no reason
>I CAN'T CONTROL IT
>does some random stuff to pass time
>I CAN CONTROL IT NOW
>can now control time at will rewrite it however he wants to except for the fact that multiple versions of KANG will exist that will start a multiversal war
>show ends
He has the ability to control time but he has to sit at the end of time acting as his version of the time loom. Aka his story is basically finished.
Best summary I read so far.
Also, how the frick does he even GAIN the power to jump through time and space (like a walking instant-TARDIS)? And how/why can he stop time, at the end? He says "this will make sense" a few times, but none of it is ever explained.
It reminded me of Doctor Who a few times, where some characters can have weird foreboding knowledge or skills that are inexplainable at the moment, but then suddenly there's a reveal an episode or two later (or whatever) that makes sense, and you suddenly see things from a new, different perspective.
None of that ever happens here.
Loki just has the ability. And then he uses it. Then he uses it some more, and gains a new ability. And then somehow he just decides to do something different. End. Yikes
they implied, rather poorly, that it was all still part of HWR plan, and that he was responsible for at least pushing Loki in that direction. The only thing that wasnt part of HWR plans was Loki breaking the loom AND taking over for it.
>they implied, rather poorly, that it was all still part of HWR plan
True. But the how, the why, all of it, remains completely in the dark. We're just supposed to swallow the explanation that an insanely mighty being (who is actually just a human, as mentioned a few times) simply "has" these powers and could simply pass them on, whenever and however he wishes.
Man... this leaves more to be desired.
see
HWR is just a human but he has access to tech so advanced it is the next best thing to magic. With that tech, he planned a scenario to get Loki to fully realize his potential power. Theoretically, to do as HWR wished...kill Sylvie and then help HWR manage the timeline/kangs.
>starts time slipping for no reason
There is a reason. It happened because Sylvie used HWR's tempad and kicked Loki through a time door to TVA's past. Regular TVA employees have restrictions on their tempads that prevent them from using time travel inside the TVA. Presumably, because it leads to horrible side effects like what Loki is experiencing. HWR's tempad did not have this restriction.
It would've been nice to have even the slightest hint of explanation of this, to stop it from being guesswork by die-hard defenders.
Also it was an event from S1, that was never mentioned in one of the plot summaries at the beginning of episodes. I understand you're trying to make sense of this mess, but ... there's a limit. At a certain point you have to doubt whether the writers even thought this through.
You need to start paying more attention.
Key words here being:
>somehow
>All I know is
>maybe
I don't know, man.
Somehow, Palpatine returned.
They fly now
Somehow, Loki got sent back in time.
He stops time now.
Actually the writing is willing to have loopholes to be imaginative and make people think. It's the best thing I've seen on tv in a while
za warudo
I'm with you. But didn't they say, literally 10 minutes earlier, that the problem with the loom was that there was INFINITE timelines? And that the loom KILLS OFF everything that becomes "too much"? How does Loki solve this on his chair?
Also, does this even prevent infinite He Who Remains from spawning? I think not, they even talk about his variants in the last scene. So what does this even achieve!?
The tree can infinitely grow the accommodate new timelines, instead of needing to destroy them like the loom.
Okay that's honestly the best explanation so far.
But give it a few decades of exponentially, infinitely growing numbers of new timelines and the "tree" will be ... a black hole because it's become so dense. How is the current state of things a solution to that? It's a midway point, if anything. A temporary solution to a problem that will very soon become very apparent again.
And there will be x to the power of infinity number of He Who Remains.
Meh, it still doesn't make too much sense.
There is no time where the tree is, nor does it exist in regular space
Yeah but Loki can walk through the things and literally touch the branches, so whatever this dimension is, the stupid loom stuff stops being visual representations or metaphors and start becoming physical objects with properties the moment Loki started to touch and fold them.
its not a dimension smooth brain...its outside of time and space, dimensions etc. Loki essentially is using his magic to maintain the existence of the universe
the loom destroys all the variant timelines, loki saved them from being pruned, and yes that means all the kangs exist again
TVA still exists to take care of variant problems like Kangs.
exactly so pretty much best solution, and loki can see everything so its not like he's just sitting on his throne holding time together, he can see what is happening everywhere
The tree symbolize loki. Because he wears the color green and tree is also green most of the time
frick off, shill
>we’re at the point where even if you put “i haven’t seen it” you’re called a shill
please look that word up in a dictionary, ESL
At the very last second the show gives him time powers which he uses to syudy science for centuries so now he is the strongest and smartest all over the course of a single fricking episode. We all hate mary sues but this was moronic
New timelines are being endlessly created because the villain was right and without someone trimming these things all of existence will eventually unravel and collapse. Loki has always desired "glorious purpose" because he was fueled by ego. His experiences and friendships within the TVA have given him a renewed sense of purpose, one where he accepts he should use his powers and talents to shoulder the burdens others cannot.
Before existence can become overwhelmed by these new timelines, he effectively takes them to a new dimension, giving ours a clean slate. The problem still exists. New timelines will keep forming. Eventually they will need a solution or risk the same eventual collapse. But now they can progress forward in time past the bottleneck that the multiplying timelines created and try to find a solution.
When Thor returned from the human world in the first Thor movie, Loki mistook his brother's newfound maturity, his sense of responsibility as protector of humans, as a weakness, because Loki has always been a selfish opportunist. Now Loki has had his own moment of maturity.
Loki takes a throne, not grandiose and splendid as he's always wanted, but small and humble.
He has become a God (uppercase G, as Starlord's Dad would put it) of this space and these timelines. The branches, past and future, form together into the shape of Yggdrasil, the World Tree. Loki has created, in effect, his own realm.
Loki has found his purpose. It's not glorious. No one is bowing to him. No one worships him. It's little more than sitting and watching over his "children" (not dissimilar to Owen Wilson's character.) But it's purpose.
This ending filtered half of Cinemaphile who were too obsessed posting about wokeness and Brie Larson to see this is one of Marvel's best endings they've ever had.
It filtered Cinemaphile because they are trying to see it for its plotholes and making sense of timelines vs seeing all that happens as character development for Loki.
It was good, but episodes 1-5 made no sense on purpose for the sake of filling 5 episodes over the course of 5 weeks. Maybe it'll be good on a binge watch, but it's still an insane amount of filler. I don't know how people watch stream shows regularly.
1-4 is to add stakes to the series and add some character development.
5-6 is where the actual meat of the series occurs.
It is basically a 4.5 hours movie if you think about it.
And the meat of episode 6 was cut out several times.
No, the loom was a BOMB that is always going to explode and destroy reality once the multi-verse starts to be born. It was HWR failsafe against that happening which forces Loki to take another path
The loom transformed raw time into timelines and energy. There's nothing wrong with an infinite amount of timelines, it's only that the loom was designed to fail if timelines branched infinitely (destroying the TVA and all the timelines except the sacred). He Who Remains would then build another TVA after. Loki destroying the loom prevented it from exploding and killing all the other timelines, but it also meant timelines were dying as the loom created the timelines. Loki used his god powers to act like a new loom and allow all the timelines to exist. However, all these new timelines existing means Kang variants will go to war again and destroy everything, eventually creating another He Who Remains situation. Loki realised there was a small chance of Kang being stopped so he chose to burden himself to allow that hope to exist.
Good explanation anon
What a fantastic synopsis for an inconsistently and lazily written show. Such a flowery, homosexualy, le epic run down anon, thank you for explaining the oh so complicated plot but if I may make it even simpler for the layman: “overtly evil guy becomes good through the magic of acquaintanceship and develops the power to do anything to move the rail thin plot forward”
You’re such a fricking gay holy shit
>The branches, past and future, form together into the shape of Yggdrasil, the World Tree. Loki has created, in effect, his own realm.
It's recursive, he was always the tree part of the tree.
I truly, honestly hope they are paying you. This is fricking pathetic dude
>Before existence can become overwhelmed by these new timelines, he effectively takes them to a new dimension, giving ours a clean slate. The problem still exists. New timelines will keep forming. Eventually they will need a solution or risk the same eventual collapse. But now they can progress forward in time past the bottleneck that the multiplying timelines created and try to find a solution.
You're just pulling this out of your ass. None of it was mentioned or explained in the show.
Thought they gave the character a fitting sendoff but it only prime timeline Loki overseeing time? Or could there be another Loki in another universe doing the exact same thing keeping the branches in place in isolation?
Ah, so it's like a reference to the Norns?
Basically
He created Yddrasil out of universes.
> out of universes
Kek. So far we have dimensional threads, timelines as seen from outside space and time (lol), threads of fate and now universes.
Literal dues ex machina. OP summed it up.
Season 2 is nothing like season 1. Nothing matters, they could delete 4 episodes and everything would be the same.
Loki learns to control time and become real god of the multiuniverses.You already watched 80% of season 2.
>grabbing some ropes
Just him preparing for all the new members to the MCU, like Hunter Schafer.
He mastered the power to time travel trying to stop the TVA from blowing up. Eventually he travels back to when He Who Remains got stabbed in his chair. He Who Remains laughs and said even this was part of his plan. Loki then basically destroys the entire multiverse and then grabs the remaining dead strands and rebuilds it from a sacred timeline into a tree like Yggdrasil and now he's like that old guy in the tree from Game of Thrones, but in space-time.
So now the TVA has broken away from the control of He Who Remains and any other variant of Kang. The Kang variants are unaware that the TVA even exists and it seems like they're not even a threat anymore, like they're just little nuisances. The Kang from Ant-Man is just written off as "already dealt with". It kind of gives off the feeling that Kang isn't going to be the main villain anymore moving forward.
>now he's like that old guy in the tree from Game of Thrones, but in space-time
kek
It was obvious from the beginning they were going to turn in circles. Did you actually think Loki was going to resolve the big problem from the main movies? If the multiverse wars doesn't kick off next year you can expect S3 to be a waste of time too.
there wont be a season 3. story's over
magic
that's the implication, yes
same. it was a good ending for loki and owen wilson's last scene was touching.
>there wont be a season 3. story's over
Oh ok lol. I dropped the show at like episode 2 once I figured it was going nowhere.
the finale was 90% a copy of TNG:All Good Things
BUT DID YOU TRY THE LOKI SAUCE HOLY SHIT AMAZ BALLS ALSO I DIDNT KNOW MCDONALDS WAS SO DIVERSE IN 1970 HOLY CRAP THATS SO HECKIN VALID
Was the sauce even in the show?
In Oklahoma of all places. How was that black guy allowed to own a record shop on small town main street?
I liked it. Sucks to be you
same. ended perfectly instead of dying a slow, boring death which eventually gets netflix'd and ends on a cliffhanger
Wait, there is a season 2?
I saw ZERO discussion about it. No hype at all.
Are these threads bait?The finale was great
>mfw "let time pass"
;_;
>the loom is overheating
>oh no it's going to destroy everything!
>loki becomes the loom
apparently writers don't get paid enough for this slop. they want more!
The writers and showrunner of season 1 got all fired and replaced by whatever. S1 was shit too, but this is another level. The show was doomed when rhey choose to have a female loki. A post wall roastie who can't act. Too many women and Black folks. Endless babbling. Kang sucks and he gets punked by everyone.
it was kind of moronic tbh. ending felt like it came out of nowhere
The ending was great, not surprised Cinemaphile got filtered by it. He sacrifices himself by using all of his powers to bring the timelines together and give freedom a choice a fighting chance. It's a choice he would have never made had he not gone through the journey in the show, so literally none of that was random but character development.
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I get the character development angle of it. Him having the ability to grapple all the timelines together ( and they all look like a bunch of strands he can physically hold I guess? ) is what felt random. Felt like a solution pulled out of their ass
I guess this was kinda just briefly touched on but this Loki had centuries to learn the mechanics of how time works from OB. So him grappling all timelines is probably a combination of his learnt knowledge and magic abilities. It is kinda of an asspull.
yeah and I also don't even get how he learned to control the time-slipping. One moment he can and then he just can.. because, like it doesn't seem like he learned anything about himself to do it. He just can now because it's plot convenient.
I didn't like how they handwaved it as well. I wish it was more of a progression of how he could slowly control it.
It would've been great if Yondu's ghost appeared and told him to control it with his heart and not his head and then vanished. N then Loki would be like "who the frick was that?"
That was in episode 5, he learned time slipping by focusing on the "who" - the character and moment he felt he needed to be with at the moment.
He's a God anon. This goes back to the previous episode where OB was taking about the difference between science and fiction. He's spent centuries trying the scientific approach only to waste his time, he instead solved it with magic (his God powers).
Why didn't he get turned into spaghettis? How come he can use his superpowers now?
He always could anon but he didn't know how he would use them. He did after the conversation with He Who Remains when he explains the loom and the equation he realized he had an option of sacrificing himself by becoming the loom and had to talk to Morbios before they met to convince himself that was the right thing. The idea that what stopped him from doing this before is because he didn't have that power is wrong. He only did it because the alternative was killing Silvie.
>character has new powers when the plot needs to move forward
Top notch writing
Anon the character is a comic book adaptation of a mythical God. Him being able to create the world tree of their religion from dimensional strands isn't that out of left field.
>dimensional strands
Kek what? Dimensional threads? Lol
It fits with the Theme.
Loki kills his Narcissim by loving Sylvie and being able to engage with her Erotically.
By being able now to be "an other" to "others" he starts to actually "live" with them and form friendships and relationships that are not Self Referential and narcisistic IE: through Power
>I want to have a Kingdom ; Be a King ; rule over others ; bow to me!
Now he is a proper God, an actual King that has taken the Role not because he is "above" in terms of psychopathic "dominance" but actual Meaningful Relation to "the World".
>I can Oversee the Timelines.
The last episode should have been more than one episode long, and they should have cut out so much filler shit or at least made them shorter in sensible ways, so there was less nonsense to them.
Him talking to He Who Remains as the arbiter of time, despite him being a Black person, was a very intense feeling to watch. All the other characters were confused when Loki time traveled, but Kang was excited and happy to see it happening because it's what he wanted. Seeing Kang come to life to further the plot in a very hidden way was the only real kino to come out of the whole show.
>The last episode should have been more than one episode long, and they should have cut out so much filler shit or at least made them shorter in sensible ways, so there was less nonsense to them.
Maybe , I also felt everything like filler,
but I also Think this is intended as part of the Plot.
As the thread of time collapses , we can say, the "shiposts" , the irrelevancy becomes enthropic and kills Meaning-Making ; the whole journey to S2 ending is this "tension in reverse" , not of conflict, but of disengagement.
> Seeing Kang come to life to further the plot in a very hidden way was the only real kino to come out of the whole show.
Yes!
>Him talking to He Who Remains as the arbiter of time, despite him being a Black person, was a very intense feeling to watch
Why?
Its implied he is "the devil" ; The problem of the "Timeline Wars" is not the Multiplicity of Time-branching, but the fact "its Kang that wants to obtain "power through dominating Time".
to continue:
...Kang's decision to stop "dominating time" and letting Loki take his place is also the moment he overcomes his narcissism ; All of time is paralyzed because of His decision across the multi-verse to "dominate time" in the first place ; "My Versions of me engage in a War to rule over time" , it's "him" that is the problem, we are all in a Loop!
By choosing Loki to "inherit" his place,
he is breaking the "Time itself dies because I want to rule over it" Loop.
Kang quite literally "eats itself"
Kang isn't a narcissist. He's a necessary evil. He sees Loki as a necessary good that can do better than he can. Kang knows the limits of his science, and he can't risk a multi-versal war with his variants, so he prunes their timelines, essentially imprisoning reality for the sake of at least one timeline remaining.
That scene is intense because you're thinking Kang is dead, but he's actually still there to continue the plot despite being bound to dying, more or less.
>Kang isn't a narcissist.
Yes he is.
He decides across the multiverse to "posses and dominate time" ; his relationship is one of Dominance to the Dimension of Time vis a vis the other Beings of the Universe: Kang exists as a Power (what exists is my domination and control over you, not "you" nor "I") and not as a "other to others" .
By Dominating time, he destroyed the Beings living with it; his mastery of the 4th dimension led to the extinction of the "Animas" that lived and created their lives as they lived them ; ie : the "content" of time, that which is "recorded in time" = Living.
Since then "the mutliverse" is but a "recording" ; "Time as Time" , being played endlessly, like a record, and whenever the "record" arrives at the point to "reproduce its infinity" , Kang prunes it. Time is not creating new "events" , its "playing itself over and over" ; the Timelines "were not growing into new possibilities" , but "replaying" the events that lead to the start of the Loop, which was "the Multiversial War", ergo, this is the reason "kang wants to stop the war" ; he avoids a "full loop" by "glitching" it through it's prunning, but this doesnt solve anything because he has to endlessly go in circles within the reproduction of the loop itself ; "the life of the universe" is being hijacked by Kang's domination of the power of time to endlessly "stop the multiversial war" which just puts a loop over a loop, for ever.
"He who Remains" is "the self referential power of Time in relation to Time".
>I cannot stop the loop else I will destroy everything again
Kang was the End and Beginning of the Loop.
By deciding to let himself Die and become Mortal ( risk his life, become an other, destroy his self referentiality and surrender "power for powers sake") transcended the Loop and allowed "Time" to "live within Animated Life" again instead of it being a "hyperreal reproduction of life".
>He decides across the multiverse
It was a necessary evil because the multiverse war between himselves would destroy reality.
He's not a narcissist.
I watched 2 episodes and quit because it was moronic. And that was the first disney plus shit I’ve tried since boba fett lol why are they so moronic?
What the frick was his plan?
What was the point of Victor Timely?
Why did he want Loki to kill Sylvie?
What did he want Renslayer to accomplish?
What the FRICK was the point of Miss Minutes?
Why didn't he just pause Sylvie forever?
stop asking questions. just consoom
His plan was basically the same plan he had at the end of S2. It never changed.
Victor Timely was to advance the plot.
He wanted Loki to kill Sylvie and then take his place. Like he said at the end of S1.
To help him manage time.
Everything in S2 is just flulff. The only important episodes are 5 and 6. 1-4 is just to show you what happens when you kill him (as he had planned).
He was just "grooming" a successor because he is tired as shit. Knowing that Sylvie will inevitably kill him, no matter what, he tries to influence Loki with the whole "fixing the Loom" charade.
For him, it makes zero actual difference what happens but I guess Loki being his successor would be the most "preferable" solution.
That's probably why you don't see him going "They are coming..." with an ominous voice at the end because it's all relative anyway and the sacred timeline was just one of many solutions he already tried and at this point, he probably understood already that it will NEVER be the perfect solution.
Kang is a chess master. He picked the 2 loki's for our Loki to have a dilemma. Combine that with the fail safe loom explosion, and Loki has no choice but to learn the Asgardian way about time since "magic and science are one in the same" like Thor says in his first movie. Kang was the one living a lonely life in a loop.
TVA Kang still lost tho. He probably didn't foresee Loki being the loom himself.
Yes, he did.
If he didn't, it's fricking dumb. The problem with MCU for a while has been breaking the fourth wall. The writers are basically giving Kang their powers by dwarfing everything up to Endgame as Kang's plan essentially, Kang's timeline that he protected. Everything happened because it was supposed to happen. Every time Thor talked about fate, it was dwarfed by Kang guiding the entire MCU like the writers. So if Kang didn't intend for Loki to have the break through, the writers did, and it's all overlapping. I don't think Kang wanted to keep going which is why he had the lokis come to him in the first place. If he didn't want to lose, why did he even let them in the front door?
No he didn't. He didn't even foresee Loki being able to stop time. He wanted Loki to take his place and protect the loom. Loki instead took his place and created a new loom. The difference is that Kang wanted the sacred timeline while Loki wanted multiple timelines.
Then why did Kang talk to him like he was expecting Loki to be further along with time control?
He basically asked him if he'd learned to stop time yet and said he expected him to be further along. He was also pleased when Loki asked him why he never fights back because he was seeing progress from Loki.
think that scene had the biggest Easter egg of them all, I rewatched it serveral times when the tribe speak noise starts to kick in and Kang looked back through the window, you can see loki also avert his gaze from Kang for just a second. I think I also heard an unknown third party whispered "loki" to him.
It's not really loom, it's more like tree with branches. Loom had different function to well do what looms generally do with threads
I took it as it obviously being or representing yggdrasil
If he didn't want to lose, why did he even let them in the front door?
Because it will always happen. The sacred timeline isn't perfect, that's the whole point S2 is trying to hammer home. "Free choice" is just the buzzword being used here for the audience. It will and always will be a lie with beings like him and now Loki exisiting, naturally. Loki could get tired of this shit and essentially end time itself at any momen, just as TVA Kang could do.
Even with the Loom "failsafe", what then? The loop will just start up again, ending at the same exact outcome.
Don't you hate yourself for taking the fun away by talking about the "writers"?
The loom exploding and Sylvie's 100% killrate of Kang is defined in chess as a pincer move against Loki. Loki had only one option, to fulfill his glorious purpose which is why he was selected from the timeline.
He could have also killed Sylvie and taken Kang's place.
Kang knew Loki would never do it because he is such a narcissist and in love with himself.
Kang himself is also a narcissit and probably didn't foresee an outcome with his current version dying.
No, he's not. At first he is cordial with himself, but then he literally hates himself and goes to war with himself.
why couldn't he have just frozen sylvie and sent her to some other place to stop her from killing kang exactly
shit writing that's why
Because time is not linear. It will always happen, that's the point of the whole show. It's the ONE SINGLE FLAW of the timeline Kang declares as the sacred timeline. It will ALWAYS end with him dying to Sylvie, so he chooses Loki to change that fact, because only someone else, from ANOTHER timeline could change something in HIS timeline.
Also
No I mean why didn't Loki freeze Sylvie and just send her somewhere else because Loki also had the same power.
The goal is to give reality freedom to exist without chains, and permanently freezing sylvie not only binds her to a prison but doesn't solve the multiverse allowed to exist problem.
well he didn't have to permanently freeze her. he could've just frozen her, teleported her somewhere else and then unfroze her, or at least had time to talk with her more.
instead he just tries to fight her a trillion times and stop her right there
That wouldn't be her choice. The whole theme is about granting free will as a God.
He grants sylvie and the randoms from the tva free will. No one in the other timelines, pruned or not, involved in the multiverses war or not, are granted any free will. Free will cannot be granted without the knowledge to weigh one’s decisions. If they all decided either to sacrifice their own lives and realities so others could survive OR live on to fight/observe with the overwhelming possibility of themselves and their realities dying a violent, painful death anyways then that would be free will. Loki took that free will away from everybody, even Sylvie by not enchanting her and showing her what would happen when she killed kang.
He exercised free will to save them all from deaths of their (Sylvie's) actions.
Nice circular reasoning word salad, but no, again, the random accountant in universe 8374 or school teacher on universe 986 certainly has zero amount of free will unless you consider merely existing “free will”. His newest best and close pals he never connects with besides loosely mobius don’t have the free will to have a say in Sylvie killing kang and likely dooming their precious variants nor does Sylvie have the free will to decide to kill kang or not with the knowledge that Loki has.
Because she will ALWAYS end up there again, even if it takes millenias. Also, he is not freezing Sylvie, he is freezing time itself, something that accomplishes absolutely nothing. He probably did this already, maybe even for, as I said, millenias, to come up with a solution but freezing time itself is not a solution. Not for him and not for anyone else.
So he was a good guy? I mean, he either wanted loki to save more timelines or take over for him?
Both. This was the outcome HWR wanted.
The endless variants and lack of clear disctinctions between them really made that vague, for me at least. And I was into the whole series. I think him being an hero is kinda messed up. Like he is but he didn't do it for the right reasons, only because he was tired, right?
Here's the problem...
The writers know based on the comics what Loki's arc is supposed to be. They have their own tweaks made as the adapt the comics to movies, so they have to get from point A to point B with his arc.
They use Kang and some plans Kang has made to make this happen. This blurs the line between Kang and the writers of the show. It's very difficult to discern what is actually Kang and what is actually the writers guiding Loki to have his breakthrough.
So we have Loki's puzzle or maze.
>Loves Sylvie
>Sylvie hates Kang
>Wants glorious purpose
>Wants to protect his friends
>Wants to respect his friends and do what is morally right
>The loom explodes if Kang's laws are not obeyed
I might be leaving some out, but that's basically what's up.
Kang put just about every one of those into place.
>He picked Sylvie
>He picked Loki
>He knows Loki's life and Sylvie's life
>He knows how the TVA works
>He designed the Loom
>He laid plans for Loki's whole adventure through season 2
>He helped him by challenging him to learn how to control time
>He spelled out Loki's options, omitting the one Loki had to choose to solve the puzzle of all of the above which Kang knew about.
>What was his plan?
To laugh.
>What was the point of Victor Timely?
To be a macguffin
>What did he want Renslayer to accomplish?
Maintain the Sacred Timeline.
>What the FRICK was the point of Miss Minutes?
AI BAD! israeli trope.
>Why didn't he pause Sylvie forever?
For laughs.
AI was also bad in Captain Marvel 2
>What the frick was his plan?
>What was the point of Victor Timely?
>Why did he want Loki to kill Sylvie?
>What did he want Renslayer to accomplish?
>What the FRICK was the point of Miss Minutes?
>Why didn't he just pause Sylvie forever?
Its a loop, he has to do those things for the episode 6 conversation with Timeskipping Loki to happen. What progress the story is Loki's decision to become master of time, every action of Kang is part of a Loop to put Loki in that "place" .
>What the FRICK was the point of Miss Minutes?
SEX WITH CLOCK
Think he's just crazy at that point and want someone to take his place to manage multiuniverse but nothing about his plan makes sense.
>What the frick was his plan?
To have Loki take over his throne as the guardian of the sacred timeline so that he could finally have some rest.
>What was the point of Victor Timely?
Just a pawn HWR set up to make the scenario play out as he wanted.
>Why did he want Loki to kill Sylvie?
To prove that he has what it takes to succeed him. HWR had to sacrifice everything to get where he was. He didn't think Loki would be ready until he was willing to sacrifice something as trivial as a life of a loved one.
>What did he want Renslayer to accomplish?
Unclear. But he let her know the truth through Ms. Minutes and he gave her her freedom. It's possible that in the event of his death, he transferred the control of Alioth to her.
>What the FRICK was the point of Miss Minutes?
She was just a virtual AI helper for HWR.
>Why didn't he just pause Sylvie forever?
Because it was a test for Loki. Sylvie is no threat to him. If Sylvie kills him, the Loom activates and the TVA gets destroyed. Because there is no longer a TVA, HWR in the Sacred Timeline creates a new TVA and eventually bring Loki and Sylvie back in front of him. HWR and the TVA are immortal as long as the Sacred Timeline is maintained. Because time branches are not allowed, everything is predestined to happen.
So loki is just gonna sit there forever in a chair holding a bunch of tentacles?
Yes
so how is loki different than the big headed bald guy in What If?
Big headed bald guy doesn't have to sit in one place holding timelines all the time, I guess.
yeah the watcher just watches.
To explain the time skipping…
Loki becomes the God of Stories aka the God of Time. Time is not linear, so if you master control of time you’ll always have had to have the ability to control time. There cant be a period of time where you can’t control time because you control time, you will retroactively always have had the capability and ability just not the knowledge to control it. The reason he is time slipping is he has the power to control time, because he goes on to control time, so he now has always had the power to control time but doesn’t know it. His innate ability kicks in and it takes him centuries to looping in time to learn how to control time and master it, making him retroactively always a controller of time but not a master because time is not linear.
Hope that clears it up.
Just take Loki S2 as standalone and don't think too hard.
We currently have multiple versions of how the multiverse works.
>Spiderverse which is MCU canon
>Loki
>Dr Strange
you forgot What If
I don't understand why Victor Timely is the Kang variant in the MCU...where is HWR from? Are they all from the 1800s?
Victor Timely eventually becomes Kang.
You have no reason to believe this over any other fan theory.
>Miss Minutes literally tells Renslayer she needs to deliver the book at this precise time to Victor Timely
What do you think happens?
Filler
I said filler but I figured it had to do with giving Loki a false solution that would teach him the science of time. A homework assignment if you will.
He's not
i've never said this for ANYTHING else... but i'm dead serious, if you actually watch fricking "loki", leave this website and never come back. you will never belong here
God forbid people on a board named television discuss a television show.
>belong here
who the frick wants to "belong" on this shithole
why would you want to post on a place where you don't fit in and everyone on the board hates what you're talking about. What is the appeal? Is it just a psychopathic love for chaos? Or is it your job?
>why would you want to post on a place where you don't fit in and everyone on the board hates what you're talking about. What is the appeal? Is it just a psychopathic love for chaos? Or is it your job?
Then why are you here?
>img_3227
get off the street and pull up your pants benchod, you'll get hamstring cramps squatting for too long
as in the sense of general milieu, not some homosexual internet community. even the proto-roastie legbeards from early tumblr days would cringe at this god awful fricking marvel slop.
shit defense used often by shills in bad faith. ignored
Please share what shows are allowed to be discussed on Cinemaphile
anything that isn't based on a fricking washed up nu-marvel character. what are you not getting here? literally direct-to-stream trash about an already (somewhat) satisfactorily handled character in the MOVIES
>literally direct-to-stream trash
how are the good shows released nowadays?
>good shows
the what?
this
marvel movies are one thing, but the tv shows are two steps too far
That's why I instead watched Marvels Loki
the show sucked. Weirdo shills pretending it was good are scum.
Thought it was good it was more redemption for the character himself and tying in some multiverse stuff for the main picture. Good fitting for Loki but I think we're truly done with interesting concepts and ideas and full steam ahead of AI generated scripts
Thor is the last one left for amazing arcs as far as I understand, and they're saving that one for way later down the road it seems.
Hemsworth has said he wants to take time off being Thor due to some Alzheimer gene he has. We are not seeing Thor for awhile.
This is fake news. Just like the hawkeye story.
He's just scheduled to not be in movies for a while because they're not making a Thor 5 until after the next avengers movies.
The next avengers movie is young avengers.
No, the young avengers are going to be a squad that teams up and fights their own battles in the Kang dynasty move and/or secret wars.
Who is even in the avengers now?
Antman
Black Capt
Thor
Who else?
Bruce
Shang chink
Dr strange
Husk
Spooderman
Capt marvel maybe idfk
Starlord might give it a go since hes on earth now
Next avengers movie is 2027. Hemsworth already bogged out
Avengers Kang dynasty
Why would hemsworth have to appear in any movie between now and then?
Is Kangz even going to be Kang anymore?
of course. It's just marketing.
No way they keep Jonathan Majors.
His court case is pending and if he is found guilty, they will have a flash 2.0 on their hand and Marvel cannot afford anymore flops
An anon said that they can only terminate his deal if he is found guilty at court. No wonder prosecution is digging up every b***h he ever slapped.
Nah. You can always break a contract. There is no contract that cannot be broken, the only caveat is the cost.
No. He signed for 6 appearances. The only breach of contract is if he defames the franchise with inorderly conduct. Otherwise shitsney needs to pay his full contract even if they break it before he completed his 6 appearances. Apparently 20mil per appearance
>6 appearances
So it's
>Loki
>Quantumania
>Kang Dynasty
>Secret Wars
What are the missing two? Unless both Loki seasons count independently from each other
Fantastic 4 and maybe deadpool who knows
Loki s1, s2 count separately
is this for real? the top cast, RDJ, evans, ruffalo, etc, all were only making 15 million a pop - which is already an absurd amount. you're telling me this dumb frick gorilla Black person is making FIVE MILLION MORE for being in garbage disney plus only television and some shit antman movie? i seriously, seriously hope you have that figure wrong. beyond legitimate shilling who the frick even wants to see this hideous groid's face on a toilet paper ad let alone in movies? what in the actual frick is going on... no wonder disney and marvel are fricking crashing and burning... sorry dumb israelites lmao i tried to warn them
one of you yidsney shills need to get me into connects with whoever runs this shit show. i can fix their problems right up. if there's any DC shills in here then them too. i will turn black adam and the rock into a household brand. gun to my head, honest to god truth
Apparently 20 mil altogether:
>Fans have wondered why Marvel Studios hasn’t axed the actor yet, but Majors did sign a contract worth $20 million to star in the MCU, and if Marvel breaks the contract early, they may lose some of that money. Marvel might be able to change course and recast after the trial if Majors is found guilty, but it’s hard to tell what will happen. It seems like the court trial will decide whether or not Marvel keeps Major, so the studio is forced to have the actor stick around and still appear in other projects like Loki Season 2.
okay, phew, that maintains some faith i had in the state of things. i wonder what it's like for them to have to player mister yes sir no sir with some jumped up Black that slaps women around. i imagine the mincing pussywhipped west coaster type must feel the same kind of ever present fear around him that i'd feel around an uncaged pitbull. always funny watching them scratch their empty heads trying to figure out which side to take when two "oppressed" classes intersect
THEY KEPT JAMES GUNN AN OPEN PEDOPHILE
Anon said Thor 5 to be after that, so in about six years
You're moronic btw
It was cool!
Some of you just hate everything
Earlier I read the rumor that the TVA will be responsible for reuniting Dead Pool with Wolverine. Would be a first for a Marvel Disney+ show to actually have impact on the MCU.
The Marvels literally has 2 characters from D+
MoM
Yes.
Cool to see Warwick Davis getting new roles
The fact that there are an infinite other Lokis around making all kinds of moronic and shit decisions completely invalidates the Loki character arc. Multiverse is moronic, there is no choice when there are all consequences from every possible choice. Your life just gets divided by infinity and imbeciles can pretend in some universe everything went fine so their pathetic lives are not failures and doing nothing to change anything is fine.
God, I hate the multiverse even more than time travel.
Yeah, multiverse is a shit concept. Just a scheme to sell more comic books.
Why bother creating new and interesting heroes when you can use the same one over and over with slight differences and just slap "multiverse / alternate reality" on it.
Anyway, I liked this show. And I also liked the ending. Seems some people have trouble dealing with it but it basically boils down to "Loki is a God, its magic". Him becoming God of Stories fitting. Great development and closure.
Now I don't know about the future for MCU but I hope they don't go much farther in the multiverse/branches thing. A movie or two about the Kang Wars should be good enough for closure. But we all know they'll keep milking this Avengers shit until its nothing but shadows and dust.
Loki was a diamond in a sea of shit that is modern MCU.
multiverse is a gimmick so they can bring the x men
therell be a big fight and theyll reset everything and blame on world collision and itll be a single world with xmen and some of the cast that survives
>until he can "level up" and then literally ties up all the loose ends with his powers.
To be fair, that was pretty much his plan on the very first episode when he realised controlling time would make him stronger than Thanos with the infinity stones
>a show that ties up all the loose ends, in the current year? Outrage!
homosexual.
There's something very sinister about this season, very israelitey.
The way they make torture a reasonable option used by the heroes. The way they tell you it's ok to kill a billion people just to keep one timeline goibg. The way they tell you it's ok to kill a kid because he created variants.
It lookef like there was a lot of israeli programming.
Esl found
Got anything to say on the topic?
I would love to see more of your misspelled paragraphs honestly. Top kek!
>People now hate everything Marvel because some guy on youtube they like told them to
What a bunch of sheep. This was a genuinely good show in a sea of Marvel mediocrity including the Marvels.
I hope a Mexican writes the word based to you, bro
So now the timelines are still branching to infinity but it's fine without the loom, but the timelines that were already there when he destroyed the loom were dying?
I don't get it, why couldn't just destroy the loom work?
Also the main work of the TVA now is killing all the Kang variants that's it?
>but the timelines that were already there when he destroyed the loom were dying?
>I don't get it, why couldn't just destroy the loom work?
I think its because there is no "original timeline anymore" , there is no "sacred timeline" but the version of Kang itself (which is one multiplicity) decided to become it.
I presume that , in fact , Kang "killed Time" ( that why he knows the War destroys everything in the first place) which is why this Story takes place "outside" of it ; Kangs own ability to "animate time" is what "making the illusion the timelines are alive" in the first place. All threads are literally "timeskipping" just as loki was and Kang just put them in "repeat" , in "loop" , which is how he knows what's supposed to happen at every turn.
Loki is now "Animating" Time Itself by "Storytelling".
So, Time is no longer self-referential to itself, but in Relation to the Anima that "lives its own Fiction".
If the loom overloads it explodes destroying all timelines except the sacred timeline. If the loom is destroyed and Loki does nothing the Kang variants destroy everything including the Sacred Timeline, He Who Remains time loops back into existence and corrects the situation to the status quo before his prior death.
Marvel in the comics: Multiple universes, but they're numbered, there's a limit to it
Marvel in the movies: There's one, or there is an infinite amount of it
Loki basically makes the multiverse in the MCU works as the one in the comics, holding things together. He is doing what Khan did on the beggining but with more universes
Loki also made the Khan threat meaningless, as the girl at the end basically announced his defeat on "earth 616", which is the mainline one
I'm a DC guy, and I still understood that. You homies are why cinema threats the viewers like idiots, you can't even understand capeshit
Kang
I don't think those facts are being refuted.
I think it's fricking stupid that they call the sacred timeline 616. Why would it be 616 if it's the sacred timeline? It'd be 1.
DURRRR WHAT DO THE STRANDS MEAN, IM CONFUZZLED?
WTF, are you all ESL? It's fricking Yggdrasil. The world tree. Loki is a Norse god. He has magic. He walks out on the bridge, reshapes the loom, the strands turn into roots, and The Roots come together to form his version of time flavored Yggdrasil.
It's been a couple hours since I looked at this thread, but if I recall correctly, I didn't see a single person bring this up at that point.
You don't comprehend shit Black person.
Just post another Wikipedia picture of the threads of fate, kek
It's been stated in many threads already.
> He walks out on the bridge
The bridge that automatically noodles people if they are exposed to it
> reshapes the loom
He blows it up by pointing at it, he has that power now because stuff needs to happen finally in the last episode
> the strands turn into roots
Because the writers need Loki to hold them for the heckin epic redemption arc
It was, dare I say, kino. Loki siding with free will is essentially saying "WAR? BRING IT ON, MOTHERFRICKERS!"
K I N O
>Loki siding with free will
Its Mortality, not "free will".
We will "risk death" to "live".
What war, homie? There can't be a Kang war now, he basically is doing what Kang did, but now with more timelines.
In fact, on the finale they already sang Kang's defeat. They said that Kang from earth 616 was causing trouble and got dealt with. Guess what? That's mainline earth
That sad thing is that two seasons were spent on this and then in some post-credit scene in some throwaway bock office bomb some powdered Kang will just show up and slap Loki sideways and undo all this.
They really just threw a bone to Hiddleston together with employing his wife in the marvels. Absolutely meaningless
Loki doesn't need to be found by Kang. Loki is just holding the multiverse together so the avengers have a fighting chance against the Kangs. Kang thinks his variants will win, but their war took place before the loom was created, when time and reality was shaped differently prior to He Who Remains discovering the space outside time.
The TVA asks each other if any Kangs have found their way to the TVA.
>not yet
They might not find their way there and instead focus on the avengers in a multi-verse war with them.
>They said that Kang from earth 616 was causing trouble and got dealt with.
>mainline earth 616
>616
>P. 115, Papyrus 115, is the definitive Ancient Greek fragment of 616 in Greek Letters/Numerals of the letters for Nero described as The Beast because of the mere story he fiddled while Rome burned, and, Hebrews add n, nun, number value 50, to names of the last letter "o" (616 becomes 666).
No, actually. They said that a kang variant in a 616 adjacent realm was causing trouble, and was dealt with.
Same significant meaning. Why use 616 for the sacred timeline if it's the main timeline that everything branched from
Problem is that all this "loop over and over until you find a way to get one over HWR" could've been done in one episode.
Instead they filled a whole season with it.
time branches = tree branches
Yes
In a homosexual's hand
Zoomers and newbies really have low standards when a cop-out "sacrificial but somehow solved due to magic, I ain't gotta explain shit" ending is praised, due to it somehow ending on a high note when everything that came before was meandering filler (s1 and some of s2).
Reminds me of BCS and HotD cope. They never had a plan with this show. If the movies for the last and current phase have no architect or plan, how can you claim this season did? You're grasping at straws that aren't there.
You're in Plato's cave.
They simply embrace the shadows on the wall, a power used by Loki himself lol
If the TVA is outside time, and we can perceive time as the color pasgehti , and the time lines are the color loom, then what the frick is Loki traveling through? You don't get to double dimensions for time travel you fricking hack writers.
Also Kang is now even less of a threat since it turns out he didn't invent shit, and couldn't win shit without better generals.
I don't know what you mean. I liked it.
I liked that part near the end where Loki started looping across the same few moments for thousands of years. It reminded me of a specific Capaldi episode of Doctor Who that I also liked.
What the frick was even the point of all this? How hard would it have been to half the budget and have wacky SG1 style episodic content? This week mobius and loki fight evil universe thor, this week it's wacky racebent/genderbent universe, and have the same ending. I feel like everything that was not finales was a literal waste of my time. I should not feel like i've been taken advantage of watching a show that's i'm already stealing online.
>getting filtered this hard
You seem emotionally invested in this, anon. Maybe it's time for a break.
>complains
>its you who is emotionally invested
>defends without an ounce of critical thinking
>still denies being emotionally invested
Just admit you’re an mcu mark and move on
>Projections, the posts.
It’s a poorly written show anon, you can still enjoy it for its cool shiny visuals and hiddelstons and Wilson’s performance but anyone defending the writing is just moronic and lacks basic critical thought basically one rung on the ladder above a fish chasing shiner bait
Come on, man, he is holding universes in his hand. As threads!
>he made Loki a Janny, for free!
nta but greentexting nor shitposting is a retort
you sound like you're from Cinemaphile when you post "filtered"
>Cinemaphile said MCU was shit
>get free 2 weeks of Disney+ with shitty phone plane
>watch this
It's actually awesome, it's kinda like an American version of Dr. Who. The ending was also really good. No idea why you idiots say the MCU is woke garbage, I'm gonna go watch The Marvels, if a show is this good the MCU movies are probably 10 times better.
>it's kinda like an American version of Dr. Who
bong detected, opinion discarded
you people are the only other nation besides australia that meets or exceed's the USA's leftist propaganda
sad
sorry, i take that back, i forgot canada
oh wait, they're all white commonwealth nations, so that checks out on where we got the self flagellation cuckoldry from
frick off
He Who Remains says he was originally a scientist from the 31st Century. Victor Timely was just a failsafe in his plan. His objectives for him are still unknown. But that plan failed since Loki formed the Multiversal Yggdrasil.
I love the fact that this was basically the plot of the Flash movie, where Flash was stuck in a loop trying to save the universe and the solution was to "give up". Way to give up Flash, you nailed it.
But Marvel had a freaking villain NOT give up and instead will-powered the solution. glorious purpose. epic solution. so much better even if it comes across as "use the force" fiction.
Sylvie refusing to let HWR live was the very essence of free will. If she gave up trying to kill him (the only way to stop her) it would mean HWR wins and nobody really has free will but instead does the plan to stop the death of the everything which loops back to the same moment he doomed everyone to once he spun up the loom.
The plan was to have Loki kill Sylvie and take charge of the Sacred Timeline so that Kang could go off and do other things.
I didn't quite follow what the neytiri the black woman with a clock wanted to actually do with a timely guy in 1869, especially since he's "not him" and can be threatened and held at gunpoint
other than that, I liked this as much as the first season, pretty good and soapy stuff works too
and if she really wanted to fix the loom too, as the loki gang, then this reminds of picrelated
The ending was too deep for you.
Which part?
Deep? It wasn't deep. It was a nice conclusion to Loki's arc from S1. You can tell they planned this out.
How the frick is a tree shape supposed to be a sustainable timeline model? The roots and branches just cut off so what, time doesn't have a beginning or an end now??
>How the frick is a tree shape supposed to be a sustainable timeline model?
>be tree
>timelines are branches
>tree grows
>win
A loom is multiple threads spun into a single one. A tree is supposed to have branches growing. It is a metaphor.
Logarithmic vs exponential complexity.
>how magic does magic thing
>it is a metaphor. No, it is magic. No, it is time threads seen from outside of space and time. No, they are threads of fate. No, they are dimensions. No, they are dimensional fractals.
Actually they are green polyvinyl ropes with the texture of seaweed where the prop and costume department had 30 minutes to string something together from rubbish and recyclables
agreed. "muh powers" = lazy writing
is MCU Loki physically Odin's son? If I remember right, he is not. Comic Odin is absurdly powerful, so if Loki is physically his son there at least would be some level of explanation for cosmic level power
No he is Jotun
no hes a dark elf or frost giant or something blue
He's the son of laufey a frost giant, the guy has zero asgardian blood in him
Interesting thing is he already wore horns before he knew he was jotun. Why would he do that
Maybe he thinks horns = king authority, Odin does wear some horns
That should be a triple-horn for Odin
It was a very long episode 1 and 2 of season 1
Basically Loki learns to be le good guy, except he already did so what was the point?
technically this Loki is different from the one killed by Thanos
>Shilling gets outsourced to India
>This thread
Why didn't Sylvia kill black villain and clock AI when she had the chance?? Instead she sends them to the end of time ("be careful what you wish for"). Why? Wasn't the idea to trap them there?
Then how can they LITERALLY just decide, 5 minutes later, that they don't need He Who Remains and simply "port back" to a convenient place and time in the TVA to sabotage everything they try there?
And if they could so easily and conveniently teleport everywhere, why does Sylvia just allow it?
ren slayer ended up in the dumpster yard where the big monster dog eats whats left
Worst character in all of the MCU? He does literally nothing but talk
Frick you, he's the most likable dude in the thing. I wish I could be calm and controlled like him instead of rage 24x7.
Basically Loki now looming over and over
I'm gonna looooooom! uuugggGGGGGHHHHHH!
I don't know if I'm the only one but the ending shows that Loki is saving the timelines right? Isn't this basically the personification of his God Of Stories powers?
Yeah he's taken control of the narrative of the entire MCU. Its an amalgamation of multiple things though, not just god of stories
Sooo the loom and the TVA with it were created to control the multiverse, right? It was created by HWR to somehow ... I don't even know.
But there was a multiverse and different time lines before the loom, wasn't there...? Or did Kang literally created the multiverse?
Also, follow-up question, if there was a multiverse before the loom, why would shutting off the loom destroy it?
What did the loom change about the multiverse that made it impossible to just return to its original state, before the loom existed?
kang literally its kang, ffs this is explained, once the kangs started talking to each other and breaching different realities, eventually a war happened HWR won, the "sacred timeline" is the one where no other Kangs existed, and he set into place a system to destroy any timeline that would create another Kang
If I had to guess I'm guessing the last multiversal war destroyed the timelines and HWR had to scrap things to get the sacred timeline working and maintain it, the loom was the last failsafe but HWR didn't want to maintain anything anymore and wanted to die so he led Loki to the throne hoping he'd maintain the sacred timeline. Loki chose to maintain everything because he's a god not a mere human like HWR
The multiverse existed before.
HWR made the loom and TVA to make sure he was the only KANG variant because all the other ones are dicks that frick shit up.
The TVA was created after the multiversal war that almost ended the whole universe to maintain the Sacred Timeline. As long as this is the only timeline that exists, no new Kang variants will emerge.
The Loom has one and only purpose. If TVA ever stops pruning branches, the Loom explodes and clears out the branches and destroys the TVA, leaving only the sacred timeline intact. With the TVA destroyed, HWR of the sacred timeline rebuilds TVA and the Loom and everything goes back to how it used to be. There is reason to believe that TVA has been destroyed multiple times in the past. That's why Alioth's playground has several structures from previous iterations of the TVA in it.
The multiversal war is on its own loop.
>The Multiverse exists
>Kangs are born across the Mutliverse
>Kangs start doing frickery
>Multiversal War happens
>A Kang wins, and rules the omniverse as he sees fit
>He could rule for a billion trillion years, but as soon as he gets bored and stops pruning the Multiverse starts branching again
>It would be like nothing he did over those billion trillion years even happened, because the branches would start branching from the beginning of time to the end of time
>So immediately it would be like the Multiverse always was, thus causing another multiversal war where another Kang wins it and prunes timelines until he gets bored
What I don't understand is, who fricking cares then? Why are the Avengers going to be fighting Kang? Can they even fight Kang? How do you fight someone who can slip from universe to universe anywhere along the timeline? Is it going to be the TVA teaming up with the Avengers? Are they just going to scrap the whole Kang idea? What they frick is the MCU even doing?
>Why are the Avengers going to be fighting Kang?
Because Kang(s) want to conquer and subjugate them. In the war between Kangs, Avengers and all their loved ones could very easily become collateral damage.
>Can they even fight Kang? How do you fight someone who can slip from universe to universe anywhere along the timeline?
They have tried. That's why HWR keeps the helmet of Iron-Man as a trophy in his study. Ant-Man was able to beat one Kang because Quantum Realm exists outside of time and Kang wasn't able to use his time powers.
>Because Kang(s) want to conquer and subjugate them
Apparently he's been "subjugating" them for a very long time and they had no idea he even existed. Okay Kang, you rule the entire Multiverse now. Do I have to pay unreasonable space taxes to you? Are you going to establish draconian laws in my specific time period on my specific planet?
>Ant-Man was able to beat one Kang
Okay, so we saw the most powerful Variant of Kang get stabbed, then a nerfed Kang get beaten by fricking Ant-Man, and then return to the most powerful Kang variant YET AGAIN where he reveals it was all a part of his even more grand master plan, and then is thwarted by Loki. So what's left? Nerfed Kangs get fricked up, anyone else gets hunted down by the TVA.
>Apparently he's been "subjugating" them for a very long time and they had no idea he even existed.
HWR is one of the more benevolent Kang variants. He didn't conquer Earth or other worlds. He only ever waged war against other Kangs. The Kang variant in the Ant-Man movie was way more evil and would have subjugated Earth with no hesitation if given the chance. People like Sylvie consider enforcing the Sacred Timeline to be an evil act, but HWR thinks it's a necessarily evil to prevent something even worse.
>The Kang variant in the Ant-Man movie was way more evil and would have subjugated Earth with no hesitation if given the chance.
He says that the other Kangs are out of control and need to be stopped. Also, how would someone that exists outside of time and space subjugate Earth? Is he going to come to a specific time period just to rule and frick with them? Is he going to wait from the beginning of Earth's formation and just be the big alpha male of the planet until the end of time? None of that makes any sense.
>HWR is one of the more benevolent Kang variants.
He literally says he's been called many names, including a conqueror. They're the same person, there is no "evil Kang". It's just propaganda they tell whoever is listening. Of course whatever variant you happen to be talking to is going to say that the other ones were totally bad.
>He says that the other Kangs are out of control and need to be stopped
The council of Kangs exiled him to the Quantum Realm because even they thought he was too dangerous. By stopping the council, he meant getting revenge on them.
>the dangerous people who are endangering the multiverse by doing dangerous things think a person that wants to stop them is dangerous
Whoa.
The multiverse always exsited, what fricks it up is variant activity, jumping verses etc. Everything was fine, until the various Kangs fricked stuff up by crossing timelines etc
absolutely no one said ever that the timeline branches need some special care and power to be operational.
but loki is needed, so they make up some shit that branches are dying.. like wtf, why would they be dying? Loki needs a job.
ok, shit tier
It's not an ending. It's just the season ending. I really hope they release more sooner than 2025 because that's ridiculously far away. Trump will be President by then.
>White Man does Black Man's job better
How was this written in twenty twenty three?
Loki is blue
Was blue before he was literally whitewashed