shin is for weeb virgins. if, the greatest godzilla movie came out in anytime of history, post-shin, you contrarian weebs would still praise that crap. it is possible that you virgins simp more for this than '54, which woud be a nice take
go out and talk to people, creep.
All I know is my weeb, extremely nerdy 43 year old roomate who works in IT saw Godzilla Minus One with me, and he has seen literally every second of Godzilla media ever created, and he said he thought Minus One was the best Godzilla of this century. I haven't seen Shin Godzilla but I'm going to trust my extremely nerdy Godzilla loving roommates opinion on the matter.
I think the majority consesus I have seen on Godzilla forums and online is that most people would rank Minus One really high up there, some even saying it may be the best overall Godzilla movie. I heard people watching it 4 or 5 times in theaters.
Shin is a good movie too, but it is one of those movies that felt like you will wath it two or three times fully and be good. I think Minus One has the appeal of movies like Jaws where you can enjoy it multiple times and feel like you are enjoying it as much as you did the first time.
I have seen every second of every Japanese and American Godzilla movie except for the anime trilogy, and I can confirm that Minus One is easily a top 5 contender. Personally it is my second favorite behind the original, but I also like Shin Godzilla quite a bit as well, even if not as much as M1 or 54.
>Minus One is for normie non-fans.
Felt like the opposite to me. Shin was the one appealing to non-fans with its "social commentary", Minus One felt like a good old fashioned monster movie for fans of the other Godzilla movies.
I also like how the military attacks look in the film. The tanks on the ground are shot in this pseudo-documentary look and the fighter jet attacks don't use a lot of fancy camerawork. Wish the explosions looked better but I guess the budget could only take them so far.
Shin imo is a very creative. Both Shin and Minus one suffered equally from budgetary constraints but if you were to ask me which one I would want to see with a bigger budget I would say it's Shin.
>minus 1 was a movie about people and godzilla - the american disaster movie formular.
homie 3/4 of Shin is about people sitting in an office trying to figure out what the frick they do about Godzilla. Not saying it wasn't enjoyable also- but don't act like the standard structure for every scifi monster movie isn't just long periods of people scenes punctuated by scenes of the big monster.
>homie 3/4 of Shin is about people sitting in an office trying to figure out what the frick they do about Godzilla.
thats what i mean!
they were talking WHAT TO DO ABOUT GODZILLA.
meanwhile minus1: >omg i failed at kanikaze >omg i live with a woman >omg its not my child >omg we need money >omg we family rite? >omg bad dreams >omg i betrayed my comrades
see? its a VAST difference in movie structure. i absolutely LOATHE the american disastermovie recipe.
>they were talking WHAT TO DO ABOUT GODZILLA.
Yeah, and a bunch of scientist in a room discussing the giant monster is boring ass shit we've seen a dozen times in a dozen godzilla movies before. What I HAVEN'T seen is a story about a failed kamikaze pilot who gets his life mixed up with a giant lizard. That shit's way more interesting than 'moronic scientist #587 who is either trying to defeat Godzilla or use his DNA for a moronic science plan.'
The procedural aspect of how to deal with a monster is a hundred time better than that soapy story that makes absolutely no sense except for the thinly veiled negationism
Brother, half of Godzilla is the Japanese people convening to decide what to do about Godzilla and then going about the execution of that plan. The family and romance angle is only in the first half of the movie.
You're just an autistic Shin fanboy and blindly hating on Minus One because it upsets you that another great Godzilla came out. Enjoy both for their merits, you'll find greater contentment.
I never really cared about godzilla. I watched that american cartoon about godzilla saving the world on tv when I was a child.
Went to minus one a few month ago and it was really fun. The ending was obvious but everything in the movie was fun and they really made me care about the characters and their family life. It's a rare thing for the movies I watch to make me care.
This and wonka are my fav movies of 2023.
I haven't seen it, I just wanted to make an ignorant comment to ruffle your feathers. It's on my backlog though, I'll watch it soon.
The only fricking way Shin would be considered a 'Kaiju wrestling match' is if you consider the humans the kaiju. Which, in this case, they were. How the frick would you feel if you got irradiated and started going through hyper accelerated evolution, and as your brain turns from instinct to sentience, all you feel is excruciating pain as your body pulls a caterpillar > butterfly using your skin as the cocoon. So you're running around, vomiting out blood as your body reconstructs itself, slowly realizing that the things running from you are actually intelligent, too. But you don't know how to communicate with them and only want the pain and suffering to stop. So after you cool down in the ocean from your transformation process and have regathered your thoughts, you try and follow the humans to where they're most grouped up, still confused and scared and not knowing what's going on, just wanting help. But when you get there, they start attacking you. Why? What did you do? You haven't done anything, so why are they hurting you? You just want the pain to stop, so you cry out. And your voice destroys them. It makes them stop. But you're angry. You're confused. You're hurt. You're scared. You want to protect yourself. And suddenly your body starts to change again. But this time, you understand what's happening. You feel yourself splitting off, becoming more than one. But then the tiny creatures come back. They attack you again. You stumble. They force something in your mouth. It makes your body grow cold and weak. You're scared. You want the pain to stop. You try your best to fight back, but you're trapped. You can't move, or see. All you can do is struggle, hoping to break free, no matter how long it takes.
That's Shin in a nutshell. Scared, confused, freshly sentient creature gets attacked and imprisoned by smaller, angrier creatures that fear you for simply existing.
Minus one goji was based. >Black person humans invade his island >Black person humans invade his ocean turf >Black person humans nuke the frick out of him >oopsy, give him godlike regen and final solution abilities >PAYBACK TIME
he was so fricking angry and it was glorious.
Shin was much more demonic, but he also was kinda lost and confused. Just an immediate reaction to humans hurting him.
Minus One felt a lot more personal. He was actively going out of his way to kill people, whereas Shin barely even seemed to notice the humans until they actually managed to hurt him with the bunker busters.
Shin felt like it blew its load on the Tokyo scene and the movie was just over after that. Ran out of gas and just ended in the 3rd act. Thought the way they beat Godzilla was neat but there wasn't any real tension or anything.
Minus One just knocked it out of the park with the third act. They wrote the characters well enough that you actually give a shit about them at that point, so there's a shitton of tension with them in harm's way and that awesome score blasting in the background. Even though noone dies and it's sort of a cheesey happy ending it's still IMMENSELY satisfying to see them beat Godzilla.
Kind of matters what kind of movie you like more, but Minus One just did the human element really well in a traditional story sort of way, so I kind of lean towards that being the better movie since the story is able to stand on it's own without Godzilla. If you take the human parts of Shin it'd be a boring ass movie with flat characters noone gives a shit about.
>They wrote the characters well enough that you actually give a shit about them at that point
Lol no they're all terrible and the MC is by far the worst
Shin by a mile. If the Japs didn't spend the duration of the movie being dindunuffins in -1, it would have been great. As it is, it's pure unadulterated cope.
I love both, but Minus One is much more accessible for non-fans and gaijin, which is funny because the plot is very Japanesey on its surface. Shin is a satirical movie with much deeper subtext that most non-weebs who aren't aware of both Godzilla's history and the 3/11 disaster wouldn't understand. Minus One is much more on the nose, and doesn't really leave anything up to audience interpretation.
I like both, but Minus One is a much smoother rewatch. I’m fine saving Shin for every 3-5 years, but Minus One could easily be an annual watch, just like Lord of the Rings.
Watching Minus One again, I think it has a lot of international mainstream appeal because it almost feels like what would have happened if pre-Schindler’s List Spielberg had made a Godzilla movie. A lot of spectacle, a lot of “people looking up” shots, and a cast of likable characters connecting it all, and a decent human story with universal themes that transcend culture, and it does dip a little into the schmaltz occasionally. Tonally, it felt like a mashup of Jaws, Jurassic Park, and Close Encounters.
I liked Minus One more because I immediately wanted to rewatch it again and again. It got close to beating 1954 from top Godzilla movie.
I think it wouls be a draw. Shin can regenerate and adapt, but Minus has more overall strength.
He probably told it to her in private which he then repeates to the team.
Oh, and Shin wasn’t? The third act was basically Operation Yashima from Evangelion again, just with some freeze chemical instead of a giant sniper rifle.
Shin is th answer to both. Shin is likely the strongest form of Godzilla yet. With Space Godzilla as the only version anyone could make a case for being comparable in strength.
And personally I liked Shin more than Minus One. Shin leans back into the original’s horror film atmosphere.
Minus One is great but it's definitely catered towards main stream audiences
I saw the contrarianism surrounding Minus One coming from a mile away. As soon as it became apparent that wide audiences loved it, weebs and normies alike, I knew Cinemaphile was going to go hard the other way and pretend it was shit, while at the same time pretending the legitimately terrible and amateurish Shin Godzilla is somehow better.
This is the most predictably moronic board on Cinemaphile.
>Normies and I have shit tastes >I can't stand wise and cultured men of Cinemaphile who point out to me the big flaws of my beloved movie >I come to seethe on this board
What is your fricking problem ?
Shin is only acclaimed by weebs, because they have no taste.
Shin got a lot of attention in Japan since the subject matter was very topical, and it was the first Japanese Godzilla movie since 2004. Anno is also a bigger name than Yamazaki.
>Normies and I have shit tastes >I can't stand wise and cultured men of Cinemaphile who point out to me the big flaws of my beloved movie >I come to seethe on this board
What is your fricking problem ?
While Shin Godzilla is a damn good rendition of the iconic monster, the movie is some pretentious, 2deep4u political jab that only Anno can pull out of his ass. >baww red taaape fuk da gubment
frick outta here
Minus One actually made me care and root for the humans while still appreciating the destruction Godzilla causes. It's not perfect, though. Inconsistencies with radiation, pacing, predictable plot... They're predictions that I wanted to happen, though. It's a feel-good Godzilla movie that I can just consume without having to be reminded of how shitty real people are.
Pic related, I'm going to buy this kit thanks to Minus One. It's not just some old plane anymore, it's now considered a Godzilla slayer.
>While Shin Godzilla is a damn good rendition of the iconic monster, the movie is some pretentious, 2deep4u political jab that only Anno can pull out of his ass.
You sound underaged.
Shin is an absolute pleb filter. Cinematically and thematically it is five times the movie minus1 wants you to think it is.
While Minus1 pretends to be about the people it is just as much military propaganda as the US Godzilla films were.
Anno not only managed to revive what made the original spirit of Godzilla movies shine, he also innovated it and made it a critique -and loveletter- to what makes Japan Japan. Shin is the actual honest one of the two films; while Minus1 is not telling you what it glorifies. Shin is the work of an artist, Minus1 is made by mere traditionalists. It figures why most people on here and in normie world will like the latter one more. Pleb taste.
>While Minus1 pretends to be about the people
How does it 'pretend' to be about the people? The entire plot orbits the relationship between Shikishima and Oishi. Their reuinion in the hospital bed is the final major scene of the movie. Her sacrifice for him during the Automic blast was a major turning point for Shikishima's character. It inspires him and fuels his courage the rest of the movie, courage which he lacked before. Not to mention the common people all come together to devise a plan to thwart Godzilla without the militaries direct involvement, so I can't even begin to understand how you would think it is military propoganda
You sound bitter and upset another great Godzilla movie came out. I'm not an adolescent so fortunately I can enjoy both Shin and Minus One for their unique merits. Only pleb here is you, I'm afraid.
>Her sacrifice for him during the Automic blast was a major turning point for Shikishima's character. It inspires him and fuels his courage the rest of the movie
You can actually argue what you just described is war propaganda
Great take over the normies' absence of taste, but you forgot to mention the exquisite sense of shot composition and editing Anno brought to the franchise. It was a true delight to enjoy a visual feast of this level on a Godzilla blockbuster made for normies.
On the directing level, Minus One is so weak, impersonal and boring compared to Shin. Normies can't see that because they have no taste and no sense of cinematography, but God what a fall of quality between the two movies.
Tbh Shin Godzilla is an anomaly in his recent career. It's his only great movie in the last 20 years, and as an Annogay this indisputable fact saddens me.
Very weak, plus he didn't direct it. He only wrote the script which is efficient at best.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
Shin Ultraman is great, but it's a little clunky in terms of structure. Shin Kamen Rider has a similar issue. I like all of them, but Shin Kamen Rider is probably the worst of the three.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
I am an Annogay and Shin Ultraman is weak. Don't lie to patricians, they have taste and won't forgive you when they find out that you praised something as forgettable as Shin Ultraman.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
Shin Ultraman and Kamen Rider were both more like fanboy movies whereas Shin Godzilla felt like Anno tried to make his magnum opus.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
Agreed, even though I didn't have the courage to watch Shin Kamen Rider because of the bad reviews.
But I saw his first tokusatsu too, Shin Cutey Honey, which is big fanboy garbage. Let's say that he is an " artist ", for the worst and the best.
2 weeks ago
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I meant the live-action Cutey Honey from 2004
2 weeks ago
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>Cinemaphile >taste
This board is filled with unironic defenders of Attack of the Clones.
Shin Ultraman and Kamen Rider were both more like fanboy movies whereas Shin Godzilla felt like Anno tried to make his magnum opus.
Shin Ultraman and Kamen Rider have clear ideas driving them, but there is a strong fanwank element that detracts from them.
>Which film is better?
Shin is one of the best movies ever made, hands down. It's also the only good Godzilla movie ever made, probably because it's the only one made by the master, Anno.
Godzilla vs Mechagodzilla 2 and Godzilla vs King Ghidora beat both in both regards. Neither have scenes as good as any of these sequences. Plus, nu-Godzilla ALWAYS miss the tragic backstory of Godzilla. I'm not convinced that-s present in Shin considering he's basically zombified and barely present - which imo was a statement on the health of the series at that point.
Crazy how someone could even consider that given that the majority of Reiwa works were bad (the anime trilogy, singularity point), the blandness and schizophrenic nature of the millenium era, or how the Showa era was so hit and miss.
Heisei was sloppy but it was honest, and best captures the spirit of Godzilla.
Just watching Godzilla Minus One now, never really been interested in the Godzilla series growing up but I have to ask, why is Godzilla such a massive prick? He just walked into the city for no reason and pushed their shit in like a drunken uncle and then nuked the place.
I never got why people liked this guy and so far this movie only solidifies my confusion.
He got hit by an atomic bomb, I think his anger is pretty reasonable
Godzilla is kind of like a natural disaster like a massive earthquake, volcano eruption or typhoon. It's indiscriminate but at least somewhat predictable with the targets it pick, and sometimes it does fight other worse monsters.
Its just nature pointing out the folly of men.
Didn't the Japs have enough shit on their plate without having to deal with this giant arsehole, though? >Haha, you got nuked, frick you b***hes, imma kick the shit out of you!
Talk about rubbing salt in the wound.
Godzilla is kind of like a natural disaster like a massive earthquake, volcano eruption or typhoon. It's indiscriminate but at least somewhat predictable with the targets it pick, and sometimes it does fight other worse monsters.
but boring is the perfectly apt way to describe minus one. i genuinely rolled my eyes when they went back to "omg kawaii baby crying she misses mom" or cut to another "MC thinks he needs to redeem himself for the nth time". on the other hand i was on the edge of my seat for every moment of shin godzilla.
>Minus One is generic disaster movie even doe Shin is just beat-for-beat Contagion >Minus One script melodramatic and bad even doe Shin has iconic lines like "Your dream of becoming US president in your 40s will end!" or "I can't stand to see Japan nuked again!" >Shin is ABOUT Godzilla even doe it has objectively less Godzilla scenes than Minus One and a longer shittier human story >Minus One is propaganda even doe Shin pushes feminism and multiculturalism >Minus One plan stupid even doe Shin involves firing fricking trains and giving him a brain freeze
Annogays seriously need to be gassed.
There is literally nothing patrician about Shin Godzilla. Its themes and motifs are plainly obvious and superficial. There is not a single human being that down and watched that did not know it was actually about natural disasters and bureaucracy. >Is that classical music played over...A horrifying scene? >HELP ME ANNO IM BOUTTA BUST!
Peak, PEAK midwit movie. Now let's get something straight, all Toho films are slop. But at least Minus One is honest slop with heart.
>Rants and cries because he got filtered by an above average blockbuster thanks to Anno
You shouldn't feel ashamed because you have a below average IQ. Lots of brown men and moronic humans are in the same boat than you. You can find help and friendship, don't panic.
And go buy your Minus One bluray, if this slop makes you happy it's a good thing, buddy
Shingays are completely delusional. I used to think they were just doing it to be contrarian but now I think they really do believe that hack Anno is some kind of auteur and Shin Godzilla is actually good.
They're the ultimate plebs and unironically the worst thing that has ever happened to the Godzilla franchise, besides Shin Godzilla itself.
Stop these rivers of salt please. We are already fricked up with the climate change.
In 2 years, Minus One will be completely forgotten because it's fundamentally a weak movie. Deal with it.
Shingays are completely delusional. I used to think they were just doing it to be contrarian but now I think they really do believe that hack Anno is some kind of auteur and Shin Godzilla is actually good.
They're the ultimate plebs and unironically the worst thing that has ever happened to the Godzilla franchise, besides Shin Godzilla itself.
What about that scene in the hospital with the black shit creeping up the spine of the girl? Were they just copying the ominous ending of Shin with the humanoid zillas
>Yamazaki didn't copy Shin, he ripped Tokyo SOS
Are you serious ? What is the connection between Tokyo SOS, a cheesy monster battle involving Godzilla, and Minus One ?
Minus One rips obviously way more from Shin because both are about Godzilla, why the frick are you mentioning Tokyo SOS ?
>Are you serious ?
I didn't say that. Godzilla didn't invent stingers at all. >why the frick are you mentioning Tokyo SOS ?
Because it's another movie like Shin that ended with a sequel tease that never got expanded on, and this is a thread about Godzilla movies. >Minus One rips obviously way more from Shin because both are about Godzilla
Tokyo SOS is about two Godzillas.
I've never really felt Shin's ending was much of a sequel tease. It's not that interesting as a sequel hook, really, but it works well to underscore the dangers that drive the story.
So does GMK. All these movies have little stingers at the end, because Toho has a "rule" that Godzilla is not allowed to actually die except in the 1954 movie. In every other movie ending in his defeat, there's always a way for him to come back somehow in the future.
Shin, probably. Minus One is much better than I think most people expected (myself included) but it doesn't interest me in the way that Shin does. I don't think it addresses the setting as well as it could have, though that's to be expected I guess. Still a good movie that deserves the praise.
Anno was an auteur in his EoE days - which is still the best thing he ever made, and is legitimately a top tier film. The problem is the he got old and became happy, thus he has none of his edge. Shin Godzilla is a very conventional, but well made film. I can't fathom how you can say liking it is contrarianism. The issue is that it's just another standard Godzilla arrives in Japan film, but with a gimmicky design and commentary. But what about the film is bad?
Shin is an above average blockbuster, and from this point of view an excellent movie. That's all. As an Annogay, as I wrote above I know that his prime is passed since a long time ago, I simply can't stand homosexuals ranting on a movie like Shin to praise a weak movie like Minus One. They are stupid slop-eaters who need to be smack down.
How is Minus One weak if Shin is somehow above average? As someone who no opinion of Anno and no real interest in his previous works, Minus One felt like the stronger movie.
Directing is weak, script and characters are garbage, CGI is sloppy.
Plus
Shin is an absolute pleb filter. Cinematically and thematically it is five times the movie minus1 wants you to think it is.
While Minus1 pretends to be about the people it is just as much military propaganda as the US Godzilla films were.
Anno not only managed to revive what made the original spirit of Godzilla movies shine, he also innovated it and made it a critique -and loveletter- to what makes Japan Japan. Shin is the actual honest one of the two films; while Minus1 is not telling you what it glorifies. Shin is the work of an artist, Minus1 is made by mere traditionalists. It figures why most people on here and in normie world will like the latter one more. Pleb taste.
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Great take over the normies' absence of taste, but you forgot to mention the exquisite sense of shot composition and editing Anno brought to the franchise. It was a true delight to enjoy a visual feast of this level on a Godzilla blockbuster made for normies.
On the directing level, Minus One is so weak, impersonal and boring compared to Shin. Normies can't see that because they have no taste and no sense of cinematography, but God what a fall of quality between the two movies.
and
Don't cry because you belong to the pleb and are unable to understand what I am talking about.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
Maybe you can argue the direction but I preferred the characters in Minus One (was hard to even keep track of the characters in Shin, they didn't really stand out) and the CGI in Minus One was definitely better, the CG was a big weak point in Shin.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>CGI
Shin doesn't have a shot like that for instance >Characters
If you can't see how weak are the characters of Minus One, I can do nothing for you. Shin has some extreme choices concerning characterization, but at least we don't have a stupid and clichéd homosexual as main character.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>Shin doesn't have a shot like that for instance
There were many shots in Shin where it looked like a PS3 game. The low budget showed. >stupid and clichéd
I'd rather have a "cliched" main character over one I can't even remember anymore like in Shin.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
I know you're a moronic ESL but arguing that Shin's CGI is better than Minus One's requires you to be blind as well
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First, Shin didn't win Academy Award for best special effects. Plus some shots are sloppy but the cinematography is much much better and compensate for the low budget.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>Shin didn't win Academy Award for best special effects. >Academy Award
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
Stop nitpicking on my take with CGI for God's sake. I love Rodan 56 and Godzilla 54 and I don't give a frick about the special effects which are ridiculous by today's standards.
In Minus One case, average to low CGI are the cherry on the cake because this movie is fundamentally weak by every standard, that's all.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
I know you're a moronic ESL but arguing that Shin's CGI is better than Minus One's requires you to be blind as well
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>Yeah, well...Shin Godzilla's CG doesnt...
I like Shin, but let's not begin to imply that Shin doesn't have some real stinky cg scenes.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
I find that less ugly than the scene of the reporters in Minus One but I won't rant.
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Anonymous
That's bad on purpose. Just another example of the master, Anno excelling in his craft.
>ending tease? Must be ripping off the master Anno
It's literally the exact same as GMK's ending which Yamazaki himself has said is his favorite Godzilla movie
I love Shin but its fans have always been so fricking annoying
If you can't see how much stylistically the last shot of the hospital scene of Minus One is a rip off of the ending of Shin (and not GMK or Tokyo SOS or whatever), I can't do anything for you.
Btw, we are not talking about the very last shot of Minus One, if you didn't follow the argument.
I'm saying that Minus One's ending is exactly the same as GMK's and yet no GMKgay has a problem with it. Probably because GMKgays actually like Godzilla and understand that the imagery it presented with Godzilla's eternally beating heart can and should recur
On the other hand Shingays have this bizarre elitism where "a human gets infected by Godzilla-AIDS? What a ripoff of Shin's ending where Godzilla decides to evolve into something human-like" is a legitimate train of thought to them
Absolutely insufferable
>Shingays have this bizarre elitism where "a human gets infected by Godzilla-AIDS? What a ripoff of Shin's ending where Godzilla decides to evolve into something human-like" is a legitimate train of thought to them
Well, tell me where does come from this idea in the Godzilla franchise then, if not from Shin ?
Btw, as a Shingay I can tell you that Anno ripped a lot of shots from Godzilla 84 and I have no problem to admit it. It's simply the truth in both case.
It's true, I did a Black person move.
But you don't answer the fundamental question either. If Minus One takes here and there, like Anno, what does it bring in terms of originality to the franchise ? Absolutely nothing, and that's the point of Shingays like me.
Both movies had attractive women in them. The best thing about Toho is that they still cast babes in all their movies like Hollywood did back in the day.
Shin gays are delusional.
Minus One is an absolute love letter to the original. >Odo Island >gojira's design >gojira's origin >gojira's powers >the attack on shinagawa and the train >plot of the movie centered around japanese culture and their attempts at recovery >not mixing in americans like shin did
Tanaka would have shit his pants watching it if he wes still alive.
Shin is Anno's attempt at making a pretentious Godzilla movie and failing, because Godzilla was never meant to be that.
Unironically, Minus One is better than '54, but only because modern technology allowed it, and here I don't mean CGI.
And that is because you do not know the aspects of the american occupation of japan.
In the early years of the occupation, it made perfect sense for the americans to not use any military influence in the gojira incidents and just order them to handle the matter themselves. Because they didn't care how many japs died as long as they kept their hands clean, they were the defeated enemy.
>Unironically, Minus One is better than '54
I don't discuss with Black folk
Godzilla himself was straight out of the '54 original, but the human element in the story was original to Minus One, and I would say handled better and much more personal than the almost female led melodrama of the original.
>Shin = tragedy
The tragedy is how poor the pacing is in the second half. >dude, what if godzilla falls asleep halfway through the movie and all the action stops
Shin is the answer to both by a wide margin. Minus One is for normie non-fans.
shin is for weeb virgins. if, the greatest godzilla movie came out in anytime of history, post-shin, you contrarian weebs would still praise that crap. it is possible that you virgins simp more for this than '54, which woud be a nice take
go out and talk to people, creep.
Funny, Minus one is the most anime-esque between the two.
totally disagree.
but you say this because of the acting?
The melodrama mostly and the directing.
All I know is my weeb, extremely nerdy 43 year old roomate who works in IT saw Godzilla Minus One with me, and he has seen literally every second of Godzilla media ever created, and he said he thought Minus One was the best Godzilla of this century. I haven't seen Shin Godzilla but I'm going to trust my extremely nerdy Godzilla loving roommates opinion on the matter.
I think the majority consesus I have seen on Godzilla forums and online is that most people would rank Minus One really high up there, some even saying it may be the best overall Godzilla movie. I heard people watching it 4 or 5 times in theaters.
Shin is a good movie too, but it is one of those movies that felt like you will wath it two or three times fully and be good. I think Minus One has the appeal of movies like Jaws where you can enjoy it multiple times and feel like you are enjoying it as much as you did the first time.
I have seen every second of every Japanese and American Godzilla movie except for the anime trilogy, and I can confirm that Minus One is easily a top 5 contender. Personally it is my second favorite behind the original, but I also like Shin Godzilla quite a bit as well, even if not as much as M1 or 54.
> shit opinion
> posts shit art
Opinion invalidate
>Which film is better?
Minus One imo.
>Minus One is for normie non-fans.
Felt like the opposite to me. Shin was the one appealing to non-fans with its "social commentary", Minus One felt like a good old fashioned monster movie for fans of the other Godzilla movies.
Shin is for Evangelion fans. Shove that image up your ass too avatarhomosexual
Giving Shin creepy soulless eyes was a good creative choice.
I also like how the military attacks look in the film. The tanks on the ground are shot in this pseudo-documentary look and the fighter jet attacks don't use a lot of fancy camerawork. Wish the explosions looked better but I guess the budget could only take them so far.
Shin imo is a very creative. Both Shin and Minus one suffered equally from budgetary constraints but if you were to ask me which one I would want to see with a bigger budget I would say it's Shin.
shin was better because it was a movie about godzilla
minus 1 was a movie about people and godzilla - the american disaster movie formular.
it would be a draw because their atmoic breaths would empoer each other killing earth in the process. both zillas drifting through space for eternity.
Minus one is a glass canon. Has a stronger atomic breath but not as durable. Shin is also able to constantly evolve
but he regenerates infinitely too so what.
>minus 1 was a movie about people and godzilla - the american disaster movie formular.
homie 3/4 of Shin is about people sitting in an office trying to figure out what the frick they do about Godzilla. Not saying it wasn't enjoyable also- but don't act like the standard structure for every scifi monster movie isn't just long periods of people scenes punctuated by scenes of the big monster.
>homie 3/4 of Shin is about people sitting in an office trying to figure out what the frick they do about Godzilla.
thats what i mean!
they were talking WHAT TO DO ABOUT GODZILLA.
meanwhile minus1:
>omg i failed at kanikaze
>omg i live with a woman
>omg its not my child
>omg we need money
>omg we family rite?
>omg bad dreams
>omg i betrayed my comrades
see? its a VAST difference in movie structure. i absolutely LOATHE the american disastermovie recipe.
>t. Didn’t watch ‘54 because it was “too old”, has only seen the MV, Shin, and M1
>missing the point of the discussion
Trips
No trips
Case closed.
>they were talking WHAT TO DO ABOUT GODZILLA.
Yeah, and a bunch of scientist in a room discussing the giant monster is boring ass shit we've seen a dozen times in a dozen godzilla movies before. What I HAVEN'T seen is a story about a failed kamikaze pilot who gets his life mixed up with a giant lizard. That shit's way more interesting than 'moronic scientist #587 who is either trying to defeat Godzilla or use his DNA for a moronic science plan.'
The procedural aspect of how to deal with a monster is a hundred time better than that soapy story that makes absolutely no sense except for the thinly veiled negationism
Brother, half of Godzilla is the Japanese people convening to decide what to do about Godzilla and then going about the execution of that plan. The family and romance angle is only in the first half of the movie.
You're just an autistic Shin fanboy and blindly hating on Minus One because it upsets you that another great Godzilla came out. Enjoy both for their merits, you'll find greater contentment.
>minus 1 was a movie about people and godzilla - the american disaster movie formular.
That's the formula for most Godzilla movies.
I never really cared about godzilla. I watched that american cartoon about godzilla saving the world on tv when I was a child.
Went to minus one a few month ago and it was really fun. The ending was obvious but everything in the movie was fun and they really made me care about the characters and their family life. It's a rare thing for the movies I watch to make me care.
This and wonka are my fav movies of 2023.
>This and wonka are my fav movies of 2023.
The post that declared Shin the winner
Are you 12?
Cmon my homie I would have given you a pass for Dunc 2 but Wonka???
>I watched that american cartoon about godzilla saving the world on tv when I was a child.
Funny that this could be two different cartoons.
Shin and it's not even close. That fricking thing was a true monster. An actual affront to God's creation let loose.
Minus One has more heart
Shin Godzilla has more soul
>shin Godzilla is a kaiju wrestling match with an inflated budget
>"more soul"
It was soulless.
>kaiju wrestling match
You couldn't even have bothered to read a synopsis and pretend to have seen it? Jesus Christ this is pathetic.
I haven't seen it, I just wanted to make an ignorant comment to ruffle your feathers. It's on my backlog though, I'll watch it soon.
The only fricking way Shin would be considered a 'Kaiju wrestling match' is if you consider the humans the kaiju. Which, in this case, they were. How the frick would you feel if you got irradiated and started going through hyper accelerated evolution, and as your brain turns from instinct to sentience, all you feel is excruciating pain as your body pulls a caterpillar > butterfly using your skin as the cocoon. So you're running around, vomiting out blood as your body reconstructs itself, slowly realizing that the things running from you are actually intelligent, too. But you don't know how to communicate with them and only want the pain and suffering to stop. So after you cool down in the ocean from your transformation process and have regathered your thoughts, you try and follow the humans to where they're most grouped up, still confused and scared and not knowing what's going on, just wanting help. But when you get there, they start attacking you. Why? What did you do? You haven't done anything, so why are they hurting you? You just want the pain to stop, so you cry out. And your voice destroys them. It makes them stop. But you're angry. You're confused. You're hurt. You're scared. You want to protect yourself. And suddenly your body starts to change again. But this time, you understand what's happening. You feel yourself splitting off, becoming more than one. But then the tiny creatures come back. They attack you again. You stumble. They force something in your mouth. It makes your body grow cold and weak. You're scared. You want the pain to stop. You try your best to fight back, but you're trapped. You can't move, or see. All you can do is struggle, hoping to break free, no matter how long it takes.
That's Shin in a nutshell. Scared, confused, freshly sentient creature gets attacked and imprisoned by smaller, angrier creatures that fear you for simply existing.
>tfw never get the sequel where Shin turns itself into thousands of hot humanoid godzilla to frick human males and secure its safe future
plus two has bigger more feminine penis
Is -1's a poor lil depressed boy looking for help like Shin was?
I could not hate Anno even though I know it was just a derivative of Eva.
I liked both
now Shin Ultraman was shitty
watching Shin Kamen Rider today
I liked Shin Ultraman more than Shin Godzilla but if you haven't seen the original Ultraman show then I imagine it feels schizo and hard to follow.
Minus one goji was based.
>Black person humans invade his island
>Black person humans invade his ocean turf
>Black person humans nuke the frick out of him
>oopsy, give him godlike regen and final solution abilities
>PAYBACK TIME
he was so fricking angry and it was glorious.
Shin was much more demonic, but he also was kinda lost and confused. Just an immediate reaction to humans hurting him.
Minus One felt a lot more personal. He was actively going out of his way to kill people, whereas Shin barely even seemed to notice the humans until they actually managed to hurt him with the bunker busters.
I like them both. Haven't seen Shin tho
shins atomic breath was amazingly well done
I watched the movie just for that
Shin is an actual good movie. Minus 1 is like a really bad anime
Torrent for lyfe
Why didn't Shin get a sequel? Its the only good godzilla movie of the last 20 years
Because it doesn’t need one. A sequel would be the equivalent to one of those direct-to-video Tremors sequels.
I watched shin the other day and it was excruciatingly boring. The awful subtitles didn't help. Please tell me minus one is nothing like it
What's the best torrent out there that's under 25GB? There's too many flavors out there!
The protagonist in Minus One is legitimately the worst actor I've ever seen.
how many jap movies have you seen in your life? it's like judging samba for its lack of violins
Minus One tells the national epic of Japan's rebirth after defeat in WW2. Shin is a Greta-esque "please recycle" enviro-wankery.
Shin felt like it blew its load on the Tokyo scene and the movie was just over after that. Ran out of gas and just ended in the 3rd act. Thought the way they beat Godzilla was neat but there wasn't any real tension or anything.
Minus One just knocked it out of the park with the third act. They wrote the characters well enough that you actually give a shit about them at that point, so there's a shitton of tension with them in harm's way and that awesome score blasting in the background. Even though noone dies and it's sort of a cheesey happy ending it's still IMMENSELY satisfying to see them beat Godzilla.
Kind of matters what kind of movie you like more, but Minus One just did the human element really well in a traditional story sort of way, so I kind of lean towards that being the better movie since the story is able to stand on it's own without Godzilla. If you take the human parts of Shin it'd be a boring ass movie with flat characters noone gives a shit about.
>They wrote the characters well enough that you actually give a shit about them at that point
Lol no they're all terrible and the MC is by far the worst
Shin by a mile. If the Japs didn't spend the duration of the movie being dindunuffins in -1, it would have been great. As it is, it's pure unadulterated cope.
>Being so moronic the film's blatantly obvious denouncement of Japan's monarchy/culture from WWII flies this hard over your head
I love both, but Minus One is much more accessible for non-fans and gaijin, which is funny because the plot is very Japanesey on its surface. Shin is a satirical movie with much deeper subtext that most non-weebs who aren't aware of both Godzilla's history and the 3/11 disaster wouldn't understand. Minus One is much more on the nose, and doesn't really leave anything up to audience interpretation.
>for non-fans and gaijin
Cringe weeb.
Yes, and?
I like both, but Minus One is a much smoother rewatch. I’m fine saving Shin for every 3-5 years, but Minus One could easily be an annual watch, just like Lord of the Rings.
Watching Minus One again, I think it has a lot of international mainstream appeal because it almost feels like what would have happened if pre-Schindler’s List Spielberg had made a Godzilla movie. A lot of spectacle, a lot of “people looking up” shots, and a cast of likable characters connecting it all, and a decent human story with universal themes that transcend culture, and it does dip a little into the schmaltz occasionally. Tonally, it felt like a mashup of Jaws, Jurassic Park, and Close Encounters.
Yamazaki cited both Star Wars and Close Encounters as his inspirations to become a VFX artist in his Oscar acceptance speech.
>"is your war finally over?"
>"Yes"
She wasn’t around to hear him say that.
I liked Minus One more because I immediately wanted to rewatch it again and again. It got close to beating 1954 from top Godzilla movie.
I think it wouls be a draw. Shin can regenerate and adapt, but Minus has more overall strength.
He probably told it to her in private which he then repeates to the team.
All I can say is that I'd rather watch a Showa era Godzilla flick any day
minus one was way too anime
Oh, and Shin wasn’t? The third act was basically Operation Yashima from Evangelion again, just with some freeze chemical instead of a giant sniper rifle.
Shin is th answer to both. Shin is likely the strongest form of Godzilla yet. With Space Godzilla as the only version anyone could make a case for being comparable in strength.
And personally I liked Shin more than Minus One. Shin leans back into the original’s horror film atmosphere.
Minus One is great but it's definitely catered towards main stream audiences
I saw the contrarianism surrounding Minus One coming from a mile away. As soon as it became apparent that wide audiences loved it, weebs and normies alike, I knew Cinemaphile was going to go hard the other way and pretend it was shit, while at the same time pretending the legitimately terrible and amateurish Shin Godzilla is somehow better.
This is the most predictably moronic board on Cinemaphile.
>You hate acclaimed Gojira film- You contrarian
>I hate acclaimed Gojira film - I smart
kek, that fricking idiot really shot himself in the foot with that whole post
Shin is only acclaimed by weebs, because they have no taste.
Shin had 84% at RT and a boxoffice of 78 million from the Japan release alone. Minus one made slightly over half that in Japan.
Shin got a lot of attention in Japan since the subject matter was very topical, and it was the first Japanese Godzilla movie since 2004. Anno is also a bigger name than Yamazaki.
>Normies and I have shit tastes
>I can't stand wise and cultured men of Cinemaphile who point out to me the big flaws of my beloved movie
>I come to seethe on this board
What is your fricking problem ?
While Shin Godzilla is a damn good rendition of the iconic monster, the movie is some pretentious, 2deep4u political jab that only Anno can pull out of his ass.
>baww red taaape fuk da gubment
frick outta here
Minus One actually made me care and root for the humans while still appreciating the destruction Godzilla causes. It's not perfect, though. Inconsistencies with radiation, pacing, predictable plot... They're predictions that I wanted to happen, though. It's a feel-good Godzilla movie that I can just consume without having to be reminded of how shitty real people are.
Pic related, I'm going to buy this kit thanks to Minus One. It's not just some old plane anymore, it's now considered a Godzilla slayer.
>While Shin Godzilla is a damn good rendition of the iconic monster, the movie is some pretentious, 2deep4u political jab that only Anno can pull out of his ass.
You sound underaged.
Godzilla should never be a "feel good" movie.
That's why so many of the sequels are garbage.
Godzilla should always be about the dangers of war, nuclear weapons, the incompetence of government,and the cruelty of mankind.
That's why the best Godzilla films are the darker ones. If all want is big monsters fighting watch trash like Pacific Rim
Nah you're a moron
Shin
Shin is an absolute pleb filter. Cinematically and thematically it is five times the movie minus1 wants you to think it is.
While Minus1 pretends to be about the people it is just as much military propaganda as the US Godzilla films were.
Anno not only managed to revive what made the original spirit of Godzilla movies shine, he also innovated it and made it a critique -and loveletter- to what makes Japan Japan. Shin is the actual honest one of the two films; while Minus1 is not telling you what it glorifies. Shin is the work of an artist, Minus1 is made by mere traditionalists. It figures why most people on here and in normie world will like the latter one more. Pleb taste.
Good god Shin autists are the most delusional fanbase I think I have ever seen.
>While Minus1 pretends to be about the people
How does it 'pretend' to be about the people? The entire plot orbits the relationship between Shikishima and Oishi. Their reuinion in the hospital bed is the final major scene of the movie. Her sacrifice for him during the Automic blast was a major turning point for Shikishima's character. It inspires him and fuels his courage the rest of the movie, courage which he lacked before. Not to mention the common people all come together to devise a plan to thwart Godzilla without the militaries direct involvement, so I can't even begin to understand how you would think it is military propoganda
You sound bitter and upset another great Godzilla movie came out. I'm not an adolescent so fortunately I can enjoy both Shin and Minus One for their unique merits. Only pleb here is you, I'm afraid.
>Her sacrifice for him during the Automic blast was a major turning point for Shikishima's character. It inspires him and fuels his courage the rest of the movie
You can actually argue what you just described is war propaganda
Great take over the normies' absence of taste, but you forgot to mention the exquisite sense of shot composition and editing Anno brought to the franchise. It was a true delight to enjoy a visual feast of this level on a Godzilla blockbuster made for normies.
On the directing level, Minus One is so weak, impersonal and boring compared to Shin. Normies can't see that because they have no taste and no sense of cinematography, but God what a fall of quality between the two movies.
I'm like 90% certain this is ironic but with Annogays it's hard to tell. They really do sound like this.
Don't cry because you belong to the pleb and are unable to understand what I am talking about.
Anno actually does have great framing sensibilities
The Rebuild movies were fricking garbage, but Anno is still a good director.
Tbh Shin Godzilla is an anomaly in his recent career. It's his only great movie in the last 20 years, and as an Annogay this indisputable fact saddens me.
Is Shin Ultraman not good?
Very weak, plus he didn't direct it. He only wrote the script which is efficient at best.
Shin Ultraman is great, but it's a little clunky in terms of structure. Shin Kamen Rider has a similar issue. I like all of them, but Shin Kamen Rider is probably the worst of the three.
I am an Annogay and Shin Ultraman is weak. Don't lie to patricians, they have taste and won't forgive you when they find out that you praised something as forgettable as Shin Ultraman.
Shin Ultraman and Kamen Rider were both more like fanboy movies whereas Shin Godzilla felt like Anno tried to make his magnum opus.
Agreed, even though I didn't have the courage to watch Shin Kamen Rider because of the bad reviews.
But I saw his first tokusatsu too, Shin Cutey Honey, which is big fanboy garbage. Let's say that he is an " artist ", for the worst and the best.
I meant the live-action Cutey Honey from 2004
>Cinemaphile
>taste
This board is filled with unironic defenders of Attack of the Clones.
Shin Ultraman and Kamen Rider have clear ideas driving them, but there is a strong fanwank element that detracts from them.
Shin almost felt like Sidney Lumets directed it
>Which film is better?
Shin is one of the best movies ever made, hands down. It's also the only good Godzilla movie ever made, probably because it's the only one made by the master, Anno.
Try harder, homosexual
I like Shin a little more but I think both are good. Shin is more original and I can see how it helped inspire Minus One.
>Shin is more original
It’s just Anno plagiarizing himself.
Minus One is better
Shin would win
Shin all the way.
Minus one is 10 minutes of gojira amidst 1h50 min of absolute crap
At least Shin adresses the situation, minus one is all bawwing and awful jap acting
Also in Minus one, nuka zilla comes out of fricking nowhere, 10 sec of newsreel and a glowing eye lol
For me, its the Heisei era
Shin based purely on the design of the monster. It's simply better.
Doesn't matter, both are good movies that utterly shit on amerimutt garbage.
Anybody that got invested in that shitty minus one melodrama is ngmi and has permanent damage from shitty anime writing
>which film is better
Minus One > Godzilla x Kong > Shin Godzilla
I liked them both, idk why you all have your panties in a twist
Godzilla vs Mechagodzilla 2 and Godzilla vs King Ghidora beat both in both regards. Neither have scenes as good as any of these sequences. Plus, nu-Godzilla ALWAYS miss the tragic backstory of Godzilla. I'm not convinced that-s present in Shin considering he's basically zombified and barely present - which imo was a statement on the health of the series at that point.
Yeah, I'm thinking Heisei is the least good Godzilla era and it's not even close, thank sfor the laugh.
So you're a brainlet who doesn't understand Godzilla. How sad.
Crazy how someone could even consider that given that the majority of Reiwa works were bad (the anime trilogy, singularity point), the blandness and schizophrenic nature of the millenium era, or how the Showa era was so hit and miss.
Heisei was sloppy but it was honest, and best captures the spirit of Godzilla.
Showa>Millenium>Reiwa>Heisei. Simple as. Reiwa is on the path to beating out Millenium IMO.
Just watching Godzilla Minus One now, never really been interested in the Godzilla series growing up but I have to ask, why is Godzilla such a massive prick? He just walked into the city for no reason and pushed their shit in like a drunken uncle and then nuked the place.
I never got why people liked this guy and so far this movie only solidifies my confusion.
There are bigger c**ts and he fights them sometimes
Didn't the Japs have enough shit on their plate without having to deal with this giant arsehole, though?
>Haha, you got nuked, frick you b***hes, imma kick the shit out of you!
Talk about rubbing salt in the wound.
He got hit by an atomic bomb, I think his anger is pretty reasonable
He stomped that jap base before he got nuked. The bomb just powered him up so he could stomp japs even better
Godzilla is kind of like a natural disaster like a massive earthquake, volcano eruption or typhoon. It's indiscriminate but at least somewhat predictable with the targets it pick, and sometimes it does fight other worse monsters.
Its just nature pointing out the folly of men.
Both good, but having just finished watching Minus One I can say Shin Godzilla is the better, more compelling film.
>more compelling
no way. it might have the intention of being more compelling, but minus does it better, without being boring or pretentious
but boring is the perfectly apt way to describe minus one. i genuinely rolled my eyes when they went back to "omg kawaii baby crying she misses mom" or cut to another "MC thinks he needs to redeem himself for the nth time". on the other hand i was on the edge of my seat for every moment of shin godzilla.
>Minus One is generic disaster movie even doe Shin is just beat-for-beat Contagion
>Minus One script melodramatic and bad even doe Shin has iconic lines like "Your dream of becoming US president in your 40s will end!" or "I can't stand to see Japan nuked again!"
>Shin is ABOUT Godzilla even doe it has objectively less Godzilla scenes than Minus One and a longer shittier human story
>Minus One is propaganda even doe Shin pushes feminism and multiculturalism
>Minus One plan stupid even doe Shin involves firing fricking trains and giving him a brain freeze
Annogays seriously need to be gassed.
>even doe
Zoomers should be gassed
Half of the things you describe literally do not happen.
Shin has a corny anime script but Minus One goes full on sniveling ass throughout the movie.
All of the things you describe literally do happen
>moron homosexual tries to be accurately sarcastic but utterly fails because of his Black person IQ
Frick off and go rewatch Minus One, plebeian
There is literally nothing patrician about Shin Godzilla. Its themes and motifs are plainly obvious and superficial. There is not a single human being that down and watched that did not know it was actually about natural disasters and bureaucracy.
>Is that classical music played over...A horrifying scene?
>HELP ME ANNO IM BOUTTA BUST!
Peak, PEAK midwit movie. Now let's get something straight, all Toho films are slop. But at least Minus One is honest slop with heart.
>Rants and cries because he got filtered by an above average blockbuster thanks to Anno
You shouldn't feel ashamed because you have a below average IQ. Lots of brown men and moronic humans are in the same boat than you. You can find help and friendship, don't panic.
And go buy your Minus One bluray, if this slop makes you happy it's a good thing, buddy
>Intellectually sodomized
>No argument or genuine rebuttal
>faceberg-tier reaction gif
Yeah, it's over. Annogays are midwits.
Stop these rivers of salt please. We are already fricked up with the climate change.
In 2 years, Minus One will be completely forgotten because it's fundamentally a weak movie. Deal with it.
Shingays are completely delusional. I used to think they were just doing it to be contrarian but now I think they really do believe that hack Anno is some kind of auteur and Shin Godzilla is actually good.
They're the ultimate plebs and unironically the worst thing that has ever happened to the Godzilla franchise, besides Shin Godzilla itself.
Goku and it's not even close
What about that scene in the hospital with the black shit creeping up the spine of the girl? Were they just copying the ominous ending of Shin with the humanoid zillas
Sherlock Holmes, is that you ?
It's a stinger/potential sequel-tease and they weren't invented by Shin.
Tokyo SOS also ends on a cool stinger that never got a follow up.
>Yamazaki didn't copy Shin, he ripped Tokyo SOS
Are you serious ? What is the connection between Tokyo SOS, a cheesy monster battle involving Godzilla, and Minus One ?
Minus One rips obviously way more from Shin because both are about Godzilla, why the frick are you mentioning Tokyo SOS ?
>Are you serious ?
I didn't say that. Godzilla didn't invent stingers at all.
>why the frick are you mentioning Tokyo SOS ?
Because it's another movie like Shin that ended with a sequel tease that never got expanded on, and this is a thread about Godzilla movies.
>Minus One rips obviously way more from Shin because both are about Godzilla
Tokyo SOS is about two Godzillas.
I've never really felt Shin's ending was much of a sequel tease. It's not that interesting as a sequel hook, really, but it works well to underscore the dangers that drive the story.
So does GMK. All these movies have little stingers at the end, because Toho has a "rule" that Godzilla is not allowed to actually die except in the 1954 movie. In every other movie ending in his defeat, there's always a way for him to come back somehow in the future.
Been saving this movie for the weekend lads. Not sure if I’ll watch it tonight or tomorrow night but either way I’m excited 🙂
Shin, probably. Minus One is much better than I think most people expected (myself included) but it doesn't interest me in the way that Shin does. I don't think it addresses the setting as well as it could have, though that's to be expected I guess. Still a good movie that deserves the praise.
Minus One wins in both categories, imo. Shin's strength is heavily overblown by the "He'll just adapt!" community.
shin godzilla is arthouse
minus one is normie slop
>shin godzilla is arthouse
By what measure? It was more mainstream than Minus One in Japan
japanese appreciate art, west loves avengers and shit
Japan literally fricking loves disney shit you moronic weeb.
Shin is McDonald's Arthouse.
Anno was an auteur in his EoE days - which is still the best thing he ever made, and is legitimately a top tier film. The problem is the he got old and became happy, thus he has none of his edge. Shin Godzilla is a very conventional, but well made film. I can't fathom how you can say liking it is contrarianism. The issue is that it's just another standard Godzilla arrives in Japan film, but with a gimmicky design and commentary. But what about the film is bad?
Shin is an above average blockbuster, and from this point of view an excellent movie. That's all. As an Annogay, as I wrote above I know that his prime is passed since a long time ago, I simply can't stand homosexuals ranting on a movie like Shin to praise a weak movie like Minus One. They are stupid slop-eaters who need to be smack down.
How is Minus One weak if Shin is somehow above average? As someone who no opinion of Anno and no real interest in his previous works, Minus One felt like the stronger movie.
>who no
*who has no
Missed a word.
Directing is weak, script and characters are garbage, CGI is sloppy.
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and
Maybe you can argue the direction but I preferred the characters in Minus One (was hard to even keep track of the characters in Shin, they didn't really stand out) and the CGI in Minus One was definitely better, the CG was a big weak point in Shin.
>CGI
Shin doesn't have a shot like that for instance
>Characters
If you can't see how weak are the characters of Minus One, I can do nothing for you. Shin has some extreme choices concerning characterization, but at least we don't have a stupid and clichéd homosexual as main character.
>Shin doesn't have a shot like that for instance
There were many shots in Shin where it looked like a PS3 game. The low budget showed.
>stupid and clichéd
I'd rather have a "cliched" main character over one I can't even remember anymore like in Shin.
First, Shin didn't win Academy Award for best special effects. Plus some shots are sloppy but the cinematography is much much better and compensate for the low budget.
>Shin didn't win Academy Award for best special effects.
>Academy Award
Stop nitpicking on my take with CGI for God's sake. I love Rodan 56 and Godzilla 54 and I don't give a frick about the special effects which are ridiculous by today's standards.
In Minus One case, average to low CGI are the cherry on the cake because this movie is fundamentally weak by every standard, that's all.
I know you're a moronic ESL but arguing that Shin's CGI is better than Minus One's requires you to be blind as well
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>Yeah, well...Shin Godzilla's CG doesnt...
I like Shin, but let's not begin to imply that Shin doesn't have some real stinky cg scenes.
I find that less ugly than the scene of the reporters in Minus One but I won't rant.
That's bad on purpose. Just another example of the master, Anno excelling in his craft.
MO just made me rewatch shin and appreciate it more, Anno, I kneel
>ending tease? Must be ripping off the master Anno
It's literally the exact same as GMK's ending which Yamazaki himself has said is his favorite Godzilla movie
I love Shin but its fans have always been so fricking annoying
If you can't see how much stylistically the last shot of the hospital scene of Minus One is a rip off of the ending of Shin (and not GMK or Tokyo SOS or whatever), I can't do anything for you.
Btw, we are not talking about the very last shot of Minus One, if you didn't follow the argument.
I'm saying that Minus One's ending is exactly the same as GMK's and yet no GMKgay has a problem with it. Probably because GMKgays actually like Godzilla and understand that the imagery it presented with Godzilla's eternally beating heart can and should recur
On the other hand Shingays have this bizarre elitism where "a human gets infected by Godzilla-AIDS? What a ripoff of Shin's ending where Godzilla decides to evolve into something human-like" is a legitimate train of thought to them
Absolutely insufferable
>Shingays have this bizarre elitism where "a human gets infected by Godzilla-AIDS? What a ripoff of Shin's ending where Godzilla decides to evolve into something human-like" is a legitimate train of thought to them
Well, tell me where does come from this idea in the Godzilla franchise then, if not from Shin ?
Btw, as a Shingay I can tell you that Anno ripped a lot of shots from Godzilla 84 and I have no problem to admit it. It's simply the truth in both case.
You literally missed the entire point of what I was saying and then proved it in real time
Congratulations you complete and utter moron
It's true, I did a Black person move.
But you don't answer the fundamental question either. If Minus One takes here and there, like Anno, what does it bring in terms of originality to the franchise ? Absolutely nothing, and that's the point of Shingays like me.
shin has better waifus, as expected from the master
Both movies had attractive women in them. The best thing about Toho is that they still cast babes in all their movies like Hollywood did back in the day.
>it's a giant monster that pewpews from its mouth, you know what I mean?
aren't you guys taking it a bit seriously?
I honestly don't understand how people can't just enjoy both because they're different enough that a side by side comparison just doesn't work.
Minus One fans are forcing it because they need their zeitgeist moment.
Shin Godzilla will be forever kino because it's a fair approximation of what an Akio Jissoji Godzilla film might have been.
Shin gays are delusional.
Minus One is an absolute love letter to the original.
>Odo Island
>gojira's design
>gojira's origin
>gojira's powers
>the attack on shinagawa and the train
>plot of the movie centered around japanese culture and their attempts at recovery
>not mixing in americans like shin did
Tanaka would have shit his pants watching it if he wes still alive.
Shin is Anno's attempt at making a pretentious Godzilla movie and failing, because Godzilla was never meant to be that.
Unironically, Minus One is better than '54, but only because modern technology allowed it, and here I don't mean CGI.
>>not mixing in americans like shin did
I wouldn't call this a strength of Minus One, given the setting.
And that is because you do not know the aspects of the american occupation of japan.
In the early years of the occupation, it made perfect sense for the americans to not use any military influence in the gojira incidents and just order them to handle the matter themselves. Because they didn't care how many japs died as long as they kept their hands clean, they were the defeated enemy.
I bet you didn't even watch '54 you Black person.
>And that is because you do not know the aspects of the american occupation of japan.
kek
>Unironically, Minus One is better than '54
I don't discuss with Black folk
"love letter" is just a way of saying the film doesn't stand on its own merits.
Godzilla himself was straight out of the '54 original, but the human element in the story was original to Minus One, and I would say handled better and much more personal than the almost female led melodrama of the original.
Minus One = soul (and that's a good thing)
Shin = soulless (and that's a good thing)
Shin = tragedy
-1 = comedy (you laugh at the bad acting)
>Shin = tragedy
The tragedy is how poor the pacing is in the second half.
>dude, what if godzilla falls asleep halfway through the movie and all the action stops
Minus One is pure kino.
Shin Godzilla is japslop.
End of discussion.