Now this is how you gatekeep why aren't nerds like this anymore?

People didnt bully you because of your hobbies, they bullied you because of your personality.

>This too, is a line you guys spout out a lot
Man this is telling. You really are bitter for this to be a regular conversation you engage with.

Insecurity looks like this:

See? There you go, this is a part of it
>"You're finally snapping now that we've gone through the whole process of othering you from your community? Well uh... You doing this now is why we did what we did years ago.. Yeah... That makes sense, this is why we kicked you out and took over... Because you got angry just now..."

Unless you're 35+ I'm older than you. People like this were always losers, nobody wanted your unwashed ass in their hobbies.

Social shaming is great though, nobody wants you shitting up their community.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paradox_of_tolerance
Wrong

>These people are never going to change if there isn't a path for redemption.
They dont want to change. We're not talking about little kids watching Andrew Tate, we're talking about middle aged dudes seething that women got into nerd shit 20 years ago.

They're socially isolating, there's no need.

You know, in a lot of cases I do agree with gatekeeping but anybody who ever took 40k "lore" seriously when it was originally written as tongue in cheek parody OF that kind of super cereal sci-fi with a heavy dollop of britbong social commentary can honestly get fricked and I will enjoy their salty tears. 40k was supposed to be fun, not serious business.

>but now after he got demonized
he's a literal criminal, anon. listen to the Behind the Bastards episodes about him while you clean your room

>Unless you're 35+ I'm older than you. People like this were always losers, nobody wanted your unwashed ass in their hobbies.

Anon I'm 41. I'm not agreeing with op.

I don't think it has anything to do with girls. Nerd spaces have always had girls. They are often the most cringe of nerds. Mary Sue was specifically invented as a term because to the volume of cringe fanfics women were writing for star trek, for example. Fanfic spaces in English were mostly started in the 90s and 00s to collect all the underaged gay fanfics nerdy women were writing about Harry Potter, Gundam wing, etc.

Nerdy women have always been here.

The shift of nerds being cast out of their own hobbies started with LOTR making truck loads of money. Not some secret agenda by womenz

This. Women weren't the problem. It was normalgays. Normalgay women were just the ones who whined hardest about being gatekept.

Its a bad habit, I'll admit. This site used to be more fun. I see fewer twitter screencaps on twitter.

you say that like it takes any effort to post here.

40yo here with a 1yo son. I have no time to actually indulge in my hobbies anymore. I just have time to shitpost here during work. There's something comforting about this place (in some ways) barely changing since I started posting in 2004.

>He doesn't know
Don't worry buddy, you'll be joining us soon enough

This, when I was a kid you did not talk about comics or anime or any of that shit where the entire class could hear you. You kept that on the down low unless you were willing to be permanently exiled to Fricking Loser Island with the other fricking losers. Which I did, and I was happy there, but I'm glad today's kids can just openly be into cartoons or comic books or anime, even if their taste is shit

They absolutely did you moronic homosexual.

>Kids were kids and clowned each other for anything and everything, anything out of the norm was socially punished. So if I was a bit prickly towards people who would ridicule me if they knew me and the idiots who'd go along with it just so they weren't also singled out, I don't believe that it's my fault. I am a product of my environment, not the other way around.

Yep, kids would dunk on you for the brands of clothes you had, let alone what movies you liked

There is a reason that cartoons STILL have the pretty popular people bully nerds for liking different stuff. It was the truth for a long time

>blame Doug for the bully stereotype

Bullies existed before Doug, anon

If we are talking about being bullied for liking cartoons and comics, it would have been after 1945 and before the LOTR movies. Animated movies were still new technology and adults watched them. Cartoons were played before movies for adults. Solders read comics.

I'm betting that specific type of bullying happened when comics became super hero focused and dumped most of the darker content, cartoons left movies and animated movies were no longer saw as cutting edge. Photos also became easier to reproduce in Magazines too, making comics and art less necessary

lol this is so true, they always do that bit
also don't forget the 'you don't count' ritual

>eeeew that guy does things we don't approve of! just like [group]!
>actually, being a part of that [group] seems kinda socially advantageous, i guess i'll try and get it
>no no you don't understand, people from [group] don't act like that guy, he's totally something else that never ever belonged, people from [group] actually behave exactly like us! those other people don't count!

you see this in everything
you also see this in those normie girls who now pretend to be autistic
>ew that guy is clearly autistic, he has [autistic symptoms] how gross!
>wait, being autistic is cute and trendy?
>im autistic! im autistic! being autistic was never about [autistic symptoms] it was actually about being cutesy and quirky! [autistic symptoms] were never part of it! those guys are just uhh.... weirdos! random non autistic weirdos! they don't count!

>you see this in everything
>you also see this in those normie girls who now pretend to be autistic
>>ew that guy is clearly autistic, he has [autistic symptoms] how gross!
>>wait, being autistic is cute and trendy?
>>im autistic! im autistic! being autistic was never about [autistic symptoms] it was actually about being cutesy and quirky! [autistic symptoms] were never part of it! those guys are just uhh.... weirdos! random non autistic weirdos! they don't count

Uh, actually, autistic women just hate autistic men because autistic men tend to be buttholes because their parents won't beat them for being buttholes because of the past 20 years of helicopter parents who won't spank or raise their autistic sons.

That's why autistic women tend to marry ADHD men. ADHD men are still expected to behave and still get punished and do get raised better than autistic men.

Sorry if this is a surprise to you. But gen X has raised a generation of butthole autistic boys because they refuse to punish boys with autism when they misbehave

You know, I didn't used to, but yeah when you start seeing the people who hated your guts suddenly wanna be you, while simultaneously trying to paint you as an outsider who doesn't belong in the community you were in since before they even began to consider it socially acceptable... You kinda start hating those people.

Thissss. Behavior only possible from Sub5 cat moms and broken, effeminate men. Basically dysgenics. Dark triad energy how they play both sides.

Also reminds me of commie Mao's classification of good/bad citizens and how it was just a moral cover for Fascist Utilitarianism because he would dispose of cultural revolutionaries after they undermined the hegemonic order for him and become that order.

Cultural invaders will use psychological torture, shaming tactics, and demoralization to control you. Even payment processers participate in demoralization through selectively enforcing arbitrary policies. When we don't need them is when our hobbies will be ours again.

>Why are male nerds morally obligated to cater to women who are outside their hobby?

They aren't. But women are wired to get people to cater to them by using communication. It starts at early as 2 and they will ask for shit they don't even need. Getting people to cater to them satisfies some kind emotional need.

By this logic gendered hobbies are moronic period.

The key word is extend. They wanted both boys and girls to buy the toys. This is made very clear when you look up who owns the copyright to hordak. It's made more clear now when you look at what shelf all heman toys are on. Here is a hint, the she ra figs are not with the Barbies.

She ra was not an attempt to make a show just for girls. It was an attempt to make up for the boys aging out of heman with girls and keep sales up

I know you aren't an apathetic burnout. You are an enthusiastic authoritarian stooge. If you were apathetic burnouts, you'd do significantly less damage, because you'd just say "oh wow, how awful" and move on. Instead, whenever your leaders say "I smell blood in the water" you dutifully enter into the frenzy, because to be less than enthusiastic about engaging in the witch hunts is evidence of being a secret witch. Again, I already know you will never stop being authoritarian stooges, and like in the 2010s when the banks convinced you that microagressions were the real problem and not, you know, the entire economic system we're all living under, you will immediately pivot with not a single instant of self-awareness. But at least your witchhunts will no longer be about my funnyman punch cartoons and toys.

If you want this kind of gaslighting to work, you really need to stop producing people like Lindsay Ellis who go through the process until they can't take it anymore. But you can't do that, because your social dynamics are knowingly and intentionally brutal as a feature rather than as a bug, because the point is naked bids for power. So the next thing you could do is have a single better line than "if someone is problematic, then anything we do to the heretic is justified, oh and by the way we didn't do anything to the heretic." But, again, you can't do that, because if you are not constantly punishing heretics and apostates then those currently in the congregation might Start Getting Funny Ideas.

The gaslighting just does not work on someone who is currently not a part of your social circle and therefore has no social motivation to ignore the elephant in the room. So the "if you see the elephant, you're crazy, because nobody else in the room is reacting" doesn't work on outsiders.

Good post.

Not weird at all. We just inhabit different social circles, so our definitions of what a good faith social interaction is differ. My definition does not involve "throw someone under the bus as soon as the eye of the panopticon happens to spot us" because I have no desire to live under that eyem Whereas you believe that eye is the arbiter of either morality (if you're a True Believer) or at least of social power (if you're a garden variety sociopath), so you'd consider me either immoral or naively foolish, or both.

Not wishing for the collapse, but rather predicting one. For example, let's look at Hollywood right now. Hollywood has for a very long time used various interesting accounting tricks to present themselves as less profitable than they were, so the money could get shovelled directly to the suits. But now, we are starting to get into the territory of legitimate, actual chronic flops, where there is less and less to skim off the top, especially with the booming costs. We can predict that Hollywood will, at minimum, contract significantly in the coming years.

But that isn't the end of the story. Because while we may predict the event, and not hope for it, if we already predict it's happening we may still hope for it to occur in some specific way. For example, I hope that out the other end of the contraction, VFX artists have a reasonable union that can improve horrific working conditions. I may believe this to be a likely or unlikely event (are they going to be in a better negotiation position as the power of balance shifts, or are they going to be scapegoated as easy targets?) but you hope for a positive outcome. This is even true if you disapprove of the behavior leading to said outcome (executive greed).

tldr, your social dynamic is going to crash nerd fandom. That's just going to happen, because you will not change. I therefore hope it crashes in a way that produces a positive outcome. As opposed to what, hoping you'll change or that it only produces negative outcomes?

I have, in fact. Note that I very intentionally did not specify which of the two possibilities was more likely, only which of the two I hoped for. What you hope for is not always aligned with what you predict, but there is always a margin of unknowns that provides space for hope.

In the alternate case that you are saying being "pro-AI is inherently contradictory to wanting better conditions for VFX artists," that is not necessarily the case. Were we doing business as usual, then yes, AI would cause an increased workload on a smaller team as the suits demand magic to be done in absurd timeframes. But I can also hope that, as we are going to be seeing fewer CG blockbusters that will also need to be further spaced apart anyway, this forces the suits' hands to accept longer VFX timeframes. Those, combined with legitimate AI time-saving, will hopefully lighten the load. AI alsp cannot work without training material, so I also hope that many losses in traditional VFX studios are ofset by companies such as google seeking unique training data to give models special sauce.

Is that likely? Maybe not, perhaps too rosy a view. But the two are not incompatible. And when something bad is going to happen because of something I don't want to happen, well duh I hope good things happen to people acting in good faith.

Ah yes the good old passive consumer.
That's fair, I won't fault you for it, the other guy seemed rather invested in making a political point though.

My dude, just let the bandaid get ripped off. The whole "there's SOME girls, I guess, over there" thing was never going to last, and the sooner this is done and everyone can move on, the better. Frankly it should've happened in the 90s.
It's not like WarHammer Lore was constructed with Tolkein-level care for detail anyway. Couldn't be more cobbled-together if you'd had a bunch of Orks make it.

Also true, but again, it stops being a satire of fascism if you change the military structure of humanity to just be the same as the USSRs.
The one key component is that women weren't allowed in it, you can argue multiracialism was part of fascism, but both Germany, Austria, and Italy, and everyone else who was fascistic agreed women weren't allowed in the military, Stalin on the other hand straight up gave women anti material rifles, and they ended up killing 300 men each, at that point it isn't fascism. It's anti fascism. Is it even Warhammer 40k anymore, or Warhmmer 40-CYk +9?

>Adepta Sororitas
Sisters of Silence, Sisters Of Battle, yeah yeah yeah, but by blurring the lines in the military divisions for the sake of inclusivity it just hammers it in even more that Warhammer stopped being about fascism and critique of Eurocentric traditionalism more so into being.
>Hey this looks cool and Blackrock will give us money, let's make trans Tech Priests canon lol.
Which is fine, but the more gay pride, women, and minorities in Warhammer, the less claim it has to being called fascist anymore, just say it's about humanity not knowing how to cope with speaking to aliens but are otherwise well adjusted liberal people who happen to worship a half dead giant corpse.

>If you let in women
My dude, there have been women in the Warhammer military for a long time. It was just a "they're over there, in their own SPECIAL group" thing.
>it stops being a satire of fascism
I don't think this is going to be the nail in the coffin for the fascism satire. There MIGHT be a nail (and I say this while laughing at the thought that any sizable percentage of the fandom even cares about the fascism satire - hey, I do, but I'm realistic about this shitty fandom), but this ain't it.

SJW's don't troll, they hardly even know how to bait. They just whine for attention, and when they get it they whine some more.
40K autists are right to sperg out about shit like this, it's an autism hobby for autismos to autist proudly, not for women and other virtue signalers to use as a vehicle for their self-interest.
If we didn't sperg out, the inevitable corruption of the hobby would happen exponentially faster.

Same argument made when Anita Sarkeesian was making videos about the harmful stereotype of the damsel in distress.

Everyone laughed it off and now you don't save the princess in Mario games anymore. Give an inch, take a mile. This is why men can't be masculine heroes in media anymore.

I'm not this

SJW's don't troll, they hardly even know how to bait. They just whine for attention, and when they get it they whine some more.
40K autists are right to sperg out about shit like this, it's an autism hobby for autismos to autist proudly, not for women and other virtue signalers to use as a vehicle for their self-interest.
If we didn't sperg out, the inevitable corruption of the hobby would happen exponentially faster.

guy,
but just look at D&D the people. The people you invite into your medium matters, because people who have little patience will want the game simplified, ideologues need to make the game about them so they will petition to have problematic terms and designs removed from new editions.

prime example, DnD removing the term "race" being problematic, vocal minorities telling others on social media how to play "inclusively, and this translates to when you have to find groups to play the game and they "other" you for being "outdated and problematic."

>Wizards of The Coast Incident

>https://www.gamingbible.com/news/dungeons-dragons-no-longer-using-the-word-race-573359-20221202

What about the fake college papers made by people with fake degrees (sociology) that's claim there are 100 billion women desperate to get into traditional gaming and the lies peddlers who keeps writing articles about it and how the fans who purchase the product using money are the ones killing the hobby? And how about the personal data smugglers who keep pushing this shit to the top like crazy or the people who build careers in the corporate world out of it?

I have what Kotaku reports these papers state because they get paywalled and even if I pay for them I can't read it without the author granting me access, this is how academia works and I'm supposed to take it as fact because three random people with degrees vouched for it in a scratch my back and I'll scratch yours systemi can't even be sure who worked on it because they rush to credit as many people as possible, half of them as a favor and the other half because getting a big name attached grants you credibility
That's the system that we have and the system we live under and you bet it's responsible for how bad things are right now

Good thing now that the state is going to pay college debt all colleges will immediately become property of the state since they are declaring bankruptcy for not being able to cover the expenses of operation and now that orangeguy gets the seat again we can get rid of all those people

It's how it should work. Bank goes under, bank becomes property of the state

>lemme guess anon, Kinsey was a fraud? or does it only become fake once it involves opinion surveys/anecdotal research you dislike?

Probably

The same people who shit on sociology also tend to post stas like all women want to be raped or the okcupid study as fact

>Everyone laughed it off and now you don't save the princess in Mario games anymore. Give an inch, take a mile. This is why men can't be masculine heroes in media anymore.

Anon, no one cares about saving princess peach. It's all about impregnating bowesette these days

Weeeeeew I'm getting flashbacks

I've been going to local gaming shops off and on for 23 years now. Explain to me how you expect to gate keep.
>Hello sir owner I do not like this person who is willing to spend money at your store please prevent them from spending money on the card games, nearly unmovable comics, and miniatures

Every girl I've ever dated was always interested in the painting part. The game part when it was small games they could get into. I had better luck with Warmachine and that went over like a led balloon. Now I have a small box of gator men I used to use for D&D

Also smell like a mixture of blood sweat and feces... So enhance the weaponize smell

men of taste want waif-fu sisters of battle to do gymnastics on their dicks AND want dommy mommy female space marines to Amazon Position them into a cum crater

The term
>mommy
is so fricking cringe inducing. And it's a great symbol as the downfall of men. We used to make fun of women for the whole "daddy" kink, and how they were sexualizing a term that little girls use for their fathers and such. Only for 30 years later for men to start doing the same shit.
It's okay, Hell I'd say great, for men to like fit women, strong women, who can provide solace for their families and specially their kids, but calling it "mommy" is just sick.

Yeah, no. There is a list on who /comblr/ blames today which goes /misc/ Cinemaphile Cinemaphile Cinemaphile /b/ Cinemaphile again and /LULZ/ is all the way at the bottom so congratulations on being so pathetic you had to reach that far

True.
In 2024 Bill would be trans and be calling you a transphobe then would assault you for being one (because you reading this totally are you chud POS) and would beat women with no one stopping him for being TERF bastards (which they are) and he would (rightfully) ironically win.

>projecting.
>another /misc/yp larping as a normal person.

I actually experienced Cinemaphile is love and it's the only reason I still come here from time to time
You have to be a serious moron to have discoveredCinemaphile from 2012 onwards and chose to stay

I couldn't tell homosexual, I fricked off in 2014 after moderation got so bad I got banned for not liking Steven universe, I didn't come back until democracy season was over
You know what I remember? I remember a Persepolis storytime devolving into this massive argument over politics were everyone was civil and respectful because that was a thing that happened back in the day, because the average Cinemaphilermade was too dumb and lazy to give a shit about politics or to read anything that didn't come with pictures, thats the Cinemaphile I remember, just reading a storytime with anons and then chilling and talking about stuff because half of the board were bored college students and the other half oldgays obsessed with toys and magazines and nobody gave a shit if a thread was off topic

Mods overcorrected after the tatsu spam, funny enough it wasn't ponyshit or the elections. It was general discontent that came from Cinemaphile that was going through similar stuff
I heard about this mod who would brag about being a little shit on social media but I only heard about it later since I actually fricked off for years so I never got the full story