Oh boy... Are you guys ready for the next slew of DC movies to be just full of Batman?
Why the frick is it nigh-impossible for non-Batman related DC characters to be successful when it comes to movies?
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Oh boy... Are you guys ready for the next slew of DC movies to be just full of Batman?
>Why the frick is it nigh-impossible for non-Batman related DC characters to be successful when it comes to movies?
No shared universe hype, also this movie made the same mistake from Shazam 2, the villain is a boring aunt, the villain is just as important as the hero.
Saw the trailer and it looked like they just redid Shazam but worse even after the sequel flopped and tried to tack on discount Tom Holland Iron-Spider Boy vibes. Nothing about it looked original at all.
>DC movies to be just full of Batman?
didn't help the flash
>make movie for literal who superhero
>don't market it at all
>it flops
>b-but it worked with GOTG
Shouldn't have gone with a 2000s diversity legacy.
A sincere Blue Bettle and Booster Gold movie could have been a riot.
Yeah, two literally who's would have helped save the movie for sure.
Unironically, yes.
everyone's a literally who until they get their big break
It's capeshit, top tier action scenes, decent vfx, and a coherent plot is all it takes to be a blockbuster.
Ted is way better then Jaimie
But Ted never worked as a solo character. Jaime's original run is better than any solo book Ted has ever had.
Mah nig
Dan Garrett mogs both. Victor Fox was a fricking genius
Not my point, capeshit audiences don't care or know about any Blue Beetle, so people unironically suggesting an older/retired version of the character as a real money maker is delusional at best.
Ideally, I'd be down for some kind of thing that would use all three Beetles just cause I like that it's one of the few capeshit characters that's legacies actually feel like a passing of a mantle better than any others that have tried. Could do an adventure serial style thing with Dan Garret, a more traditional but fun action romp with Ted Kord (and throw in Booster Gold there) and a more sci-fi alien focused thing with Jaime. But I'm not most audiences, unfortonately, and I doubt most people posting here is. So naturally, the movie with no real marketing push, no real connection to any character capeshit audiences care for to onboard them and no real incentive to go out and watch since it'll most likely get retconned anyways leads to a dead on arrival film.
a lot of the popular capeshit movie characters have been literalwhos to the casual audience at some point but are now recognizable characters to them. Who the hell heard of the "guardians of the galaxy" before the movies? no one.
True, I couldn't get even pals who really like comics to give the book a shot back then. And it was one of the few Marvel books worth even opening at the time.
And then you have the Inhumans and the Eternals and Kamala who all had their time to shine and flopped because their adaptations were not helmed by James fricking Gunn
I will concede that a good director with a vision obviously can help give a big boost of popularity to obscure characters, but considering how by the numbers this current Blue Beetle movie is, I don’t think the fricking problem was them picking the actually relevant and used iteration vs anon’s personal favorite. Christ.
A Blue Beetle and Booster Gold movie would had bombed as well. Any movie release during the impending Gunn reboot isn't going to generate much interest when none of those movies matter.
>Black Panther was a resounding success from cashing in on American blacks
>Shang Chi tried to repreat this with Asian-Americans and barely broke even
>Blue Beetle tried to do this with Latinos and is on route to tanking
What did Black Panther do that the others didn't?
Shang Chi and Blue Beetle were representation but Black Panther was a whole social message, people felt like they had to support the movie to fight racism, meanwhile those 2 other movies are just generic superhero movies whose protagonist happens to be a minority.
What exactly was BP's message? A CIA backed coup is better than trial by combat?
Don't be a shitty isolationist nation and help out your neighbours
Black Solidarity, Pan Africanism, Anti Colonialism. You could also say anti-terrorism as well.
And anti nationalism, maybe anti monarchy too.
But Killmonger absolutely lost the trial by combat, T'Challa spared him.
>needed saving from the old dude
>still ends up thrown off a waterfall
>needs further saving
>only wakes up after getting his powers back
>his side is literally comprised of insurgents backed by the fricking CIA
Get the frick outta here thinking BP was playing fair. He lost trial by combat and fell back on the US's favorite foreign policy
That black Americans are failures compare to their African counterparts.
Black Panther appeared in the popular movie civil war first to establish his character to movie watchers.
Black Panther had already appeared in Civil War, and the MCU somehow still appealed to the masses.
And for all the problems it had for older fans, it was still for faithful to the comics than most everything about the Shang Chi movie, for the small niche of fans they had.
T'challa is a well liked and long established mainstay. His MCU counterpart was introduced pretty damn well in Cap: Civil War so there was palpable excitement to see a standalone for him.
Shang Chi was the product of Simu Liu whining on twitter and his stans went out to watch it, and Blue Beetle got unceremoniously dropped with no build up, no introduction and no real push for it. Jaime has existed for a good bit in other media at the very least, but the audiences that watch capeshit don't watch Brave and the Bold and don't overlap as much to the playerbase of Injustice 2.
TL;DR: Black Panther had buildup, Blue Beetle is being sent to die.
Black Panther also had cameos in several marvel cartoons and even his own mini series, Blue Beetle got nothing.
Jaime got *some* stuff, he was in Brave and the Bold and the second season of Young Justice as a main-ish character for its arc. Injustice 2 also helped push him a little, but again, capeshit movie audiences don't actually venture beyond capeshit movies so that's where it matters, sadly.
>blacks say they wuz kangs
>show them a black kangz
no chink ever said dey wuz criminals n shiet, nor Hispanic that dey wuz aliens n sheit
Black Panther told a story well, did representation well, mostly kept the MCU connective tissue in the background (LIKE IT SHOULD ALWAYS FRICKING BE), and had a bunch of good actors (and Letitia Wright) turning in good performances. Its only arguable downside was the CGI, especially in the Perfunctory Act Three Fight between Killmonger and T'Challa.
Shang Chi had good actors, but everything else was that post-Endgame level of mid that the MCU has been struggling to overcome, and superhero movie fatigue sure as hell didn't help.
Blue Beetle has the unfortunate luck of dropping not only after the announcement of James Gunn's DCU Reboot Extravaganza (feat. John Cena), but also after The Flash *as well as* the Barbenheimer phenomenon that basically said "superhero movies don't rule the summer any more so get fricked capecucks lmao".
But really, Black Panther lucked out by being a good movie released at the exact right time for it to blow up like it did. Notice that the sequel didn't do nearly the same numbers or have the same impact.
>Its only arguable downside was the CGI, especially in the Perfunctory Act Three Fight between Killmonger and T'Challa.
Killmonger was a shit villainand a shit adaptation, also wasted Klaw
Asians and latinos aren't obsessed with their race the way black (and white) people are obsessed with the black race, no white people are going out to watch asian/latino/indigenous/etc movies to soothe their white guilt, no asians/latinos/etc are being brainwashed into thinking that their race is their most important quality.
I'm sure you could get white people to watch films about Indians to soothe white guilt at least.
You could, but first you'd have to spend a century and several trillion on a campaign to raise awareness of it in whites
white americans and non-brits dont give a frick about dots, UK doesn't give a frick about feathers
>Asians and latinos aren't obsessed with their race
just fricking lol
Japanese and Latinx think they're white.
>What did Black Panther do that the others didn't?
They didn't race-swap the original character for one.
Ted Kord isn't the original character, either.
He's my Blue Beetle because I'm not a 70 year old man. But Dan Garret was white too, so I'm not sure why you're going off on this tangent.
>"MY blue beetle"
>not the original
Nice goalpost move, numbnuts
...why did you cross the border?
To actually use the Scarab and not be Batman-But-Blue, that's why I crossed.
Jamie isn't a race swap. Also god that's horrible uncanny art
this man needs help
How are those box office numbers looking, muchacho?
How's that movie, ese?
Neat, a post from 2006.
Ted is alive in the movie
I hate reactionaries trying to pretend to be fans.
Black people are more susceptible to pandering and have been conditioned to accept pandering.
Latinos are 16% of the US population while blacks are only 12%. So this movie’s an even bigger fail for that reason alone.
I wonder how a White Tiger movie would do.
I don't want to say this because people interpret it as thinking that I'm saying they're a monolith but black americans do have slightly more solidarity. Shang Chi isn't all Asian Americans, but specifically Chinese-American. Blue Beetle was Mexican-American but it sounds like they've changed that to make him Puerto Rican now?
Good point. Very few black people in the United States will say their parents came from DRC/Ghana/Kenya whatever instead of general black for obvious reasons.
They go the cheap way and go "mexican americans =all latinos".
I'm Mexican, living in Mexico my entire life and I felt zero conection after watching the trailers. The actors are a bunch of pochos
>I'm Mexican, living in Mexico my entire life and I felt zero conection after watching the trailers.
That's because the film version of Jaime is Puerto Rican.
That's even worse, Puerto Ricans aren't real latinos, they are americans larping as latinos.
Isn't that racist? It's like "all asian is the same" but with hispanic
The only heroes I've noticed that Latinos really adore are the ones who are the biggest and the strongest. The one who doesn't lose. Doesn't matter what race or ethnicity they are so long as he's invincible.
>Hulk
>Superman
>Goku
>Saitama
>Jesus Christ
It's not the whole reason and I'm not saying latin pride isn't a thing, but that's a major component of it.
We also aren't obsessed with skin color so we don't go "brown = good = consoom" the way ~~*they*~~ have convinced white and black people.
Latinos think pochos are homosexuals. They don't identify with them.
It's the same reason Shang Chi failed in China despite the actor being American-Chinese.
So Hijo de La Chingada is less son of a motherfricker and more you're a son of THAT particular motherfricker? Also "birthed the first Mestizo" sounds like some Vampire: The Masquerade shit. I get the meaning it's just a fun way of phrasing it.
La Malinche wasn't an Aztec, siding against them isn't a betrayal, mexicans are moronic
National identity was build a century ago by the winners of the Mexican Revolution, they were the guys in charge of define what's a Mexican, and among other things (like decide Dia de Muertos was a thing) they make La Malinche the villain of a badly told story.
everything went wrong, right here
>actor being American-Chinese.
Technically the actor was born in China but he was raised in Canada
They also love Spider-Man.
Are you sure? I know many latinos that hate spiderman, is more a thing of little kids liking him, but after some years they change opinion into "yeah, Spiderman is a homosexual".
No Way Home was Mexico's highest grossing movie until Mario came out.
Oh, you mean No Way Home, you should know that 90% of latinos are weirdly romantic about things from their past, that movie had Tobey, Andrew and Tom, also some of the people that watched it were there for the Tobey dance and because they wanted ElBananero to do a new short parody.
>Black Panther sounds cool and makes you think of militant black nationalists wrecking shit
>Shang Chi sounds like some generic chink name, I don't know or care who this is
>Blue Beetle literally named after a fricking bug. Are you a superhero or an insect? 110% gay.
Black Americans living their "we wuz kangz" fantasy through Black Panther.
At least it had its target audience. DC movies have no audience.
Because black Americans bought into the lie that there had never ever been a black action film. A black woman I worked with at the time hated super heroes and she went to see it because it was "culturally relevant" and there had "never been a movie like it." Asians have always supplemented American media with their own so even if they care about the concept of representation they also don't actual need to latch onto a Marvel hero. They care more about whitewashing than representation honestly. Also they're diverse and a Chinese Shang-Chi does nothing for a Japanese or Filipino kid. Mexicans also have their own media for this shit but also are by large anti-Woke and don't buy into representation as a concept. The ones that do are ridiculed and mocked.
At least that's my take on things.
>"culturally relevant" and there had "never been a movie like it."
She was right though, Hanwiener, Blade and Spawn weren't a social campaigns mixed with a movie.
This movie was literally about racism, black pride and pan africanism, it was far more than just a movie with a black main protagonist.
The point is it wasn't the first black action film, or black centered film period, but a lot of people treated it as such and it was all marketing BS black Americans fell for. Asian and Hispanic markets don't seem to fall for the lie.
China said the actor for Shang Chi was ugly.
Shang-chi had a good performance all things considered, it just came out during covid restrictions. As a matter of fact, it saved cinemas at that time along with that Ryan Reynolds movie.
No one likes DC but pedophiles, CrabBlack person. Stop making these threads, you braindead cabbage.
Maybe don't market your movie about an obscure character, by calling the most popular DC character a fascist.
Producers work off proven formulas as they're proven to make money, citing popular films as a reference. So in turn they don't care about the material/new idea being brought to the table, only how they can twist it to suit their checklist of market data
villian was lame as frick.
even the robo beetle to fight was dumb. the big villian being a useless female ceo was dumb.
family all fighting was alright for being a bit different. romance was lame as frick. making jenny brazilian so only white people were evil was dumb. Bug ship was great. Overall, greatest crime was just being an okay movie. it'll be forgotten 2 weeks after release
>brazilian
>race
It came out?
premiered. out on the 18th
I have no idea why they rushed to announce Gunn and the reset before the movies were out, that probably lost them half a billion in ticket money
Because he's an idiot. Superman Legacy isn't even coming out for 2 more years.
Within their logic:
Inversor needs that Gunn has a plan for DC>> Planning that would help with Customer trust
Legacy could flop in the box office, killing his DCEU in the process. Why make all these plans for something that could just as easily fail?
Fellow DCgays I hope you all know how absolutely FRICKED we are of Legacy bombs. Are you ready for the impending nightmare of the DC brand becoming worthless? If you think the comics are desperate for attention now it's just a downhill slide from here.
Superman and Wonder Woman are already worthless in comparison to Batman.
I hope this movie makes Warner lose the money they got from Barbie's success.
What if Latinx Peter Parker was Infinity War/Endgame Iron-man is sure to be popular because it combines Peter Parker and Iron-man into a single character. Lets also include popular Latinx actor George Lopez and help boost sales! What could honestly go wrong?
Aquaman is the highest grossing DC movie of all time
And Aquaman and the Lost Kingdom is going to be a financial failure.
I'm amazed that this is the third time this year they released "the biggest DCU bomb of all time"
And it's not over.
It wasn't even supposed to be a theatrical release. Zaslav chose this path when he could have just wrote it off or kept it as a Max exclusive.
Just another incompetent CEO attempting create an illusion of success by massive firing workers, cutting department budgets, and releasing terrible movies into the theaters in an attempt to generate some money for the board.
Zaslav said he didn't want any more direct to streaming releases for superheroes. They're too big budget to be profitable that way.
That would have been a better plan moving forward. The reason characters like Batgirl and Blue Beetle were chosen for streaming is because they wouldn't bring asses to the theater. Plus he could have wrote this off. It was still filming when he wrote off Batgirl. It's such a moronic move. The DC brand is already damaged and they're trying to relaunch none of these movies should have been released.
>Why the frick is it nigh-impossible for non-Batman related DC characters to be successful when it comes to movies?
Batman makes money so when other stuff fails they just think it needs more Batman. It's been like this since Green Lantern. Of course, now Bat Fatigue is beginning to set in so now they're extra screwed.
People forget that DC was never its own thing, it presented itself as the hipster alternative to Marvel. It depended on Marvel's success for its own success. So now when Marvel is dying DC is hit the hardest.
TLDR: Warner were damn near broke when other companies weren't, now it's worse.
Marvel almost bought them in the 80s. They were planning on relaunching the DCU with Superman, Batman and the Legion.
>People forget that DC was never its own thing, it presented itself as the hipster alternative to Marvel.
That's another thing that fricked them, Snyder narrative of it being "supposed to be different than Marvel" ended up making it totally dependent on Marvel, it would be better to simply focus on making it accurate to the comics and frick if it looks similar to the MCU, not their fault that Marvel copied their comics for 70 years so now they look like the same shit.
It wouldn't have mattered if it was edgy or not. The DCEU could've never been seen as anything more than a quick throw-together project trying to capture a fraction of the MCU's success. Because it would've meant that they had to be the first.
Bullshit DC thrives when Marvel struggles. In the 90s when Marvel was killing itself DC was winning with the Vertigo imprint and high performing events like Knightfall and Death of Superman. DC performs worse because they don't rely on gimmicks like Marvel. They rarely relaunch their stronger selling books to create new number 1s, they don't do full events as often and tend to do events like the current event where one shots carry the story instead of the main books, and their variant covers aren't as bullshit. They also beat Marvel outside of the direct market. Marvel is also littered with speculators who don't actually care about book quality. The reality is DC and Marvel are fairly equal at direct market when you have them compete fairly, its everywhere else DC is a poison brand.
People often forget that the Cinematic Universe was invented by Marvel. DC making their own DCEU or DCU (or whatever they want to call it) can only ever be a rip off.
I don't have anything against Blue Beetle, i'm just really sick and tired of big hollywood super hero movies.
The part that pissed me and other Latinos the most was when some amerimutts were all going like "This is such an important character for our Latinx friends, go watch the movie when it is out".
Bitch, I'm latino, I have a modest collection of comics, I have friends that have twice or thrice the amount of comics I have. None of them ever talked about Blue Beetle as some "important" representative of our culture or some shit like that, if anything I remember people talking a lot more about that one green lantern girl that was south american than about Blue Beetle!
But Jaime had one really good run 15 years ago and you should read it and tell your friends. Jaime is the best I hate that this movie has turned people against him.
i just fricking hate he knows the scarabs name right fricking away. takes less than a day. ruins the whole reveal and connection.
Wait, when did I ever say that we hate him, I just said that Blue Beetle, Jaime, is not "our main representative" or that we consider him important for our culture, yeah, I did like a couple of his comics and I do remember even asking one of those friends to share with me a couple of his comics for reading.
What I was mentioning and pointing out is that for the last months I've seen some americans spreading some lies about Jaime being "super important" for Latinos.
Sorry I misunderstood. I do think that sucks. I just really like Jaime, he's one of my favorite DC characters and with my other favorite being Flash these movies have been hard.
pity, I was hoping B movies would find their niche again
DC is moronic. What they should do is make a live-action Detective Chimp movie. And for fricks sake, use a real chimp like Bedtime for Bonzo instead of some fricking CGI crap, not even to try to get a believable lip-sync. Just a completely unironic movie about a chimp being a detective and the only shared universe crap allowed is saying that Bobo is a better detective than Batman.
White people and black people would cry racism and attempt to cancel DC in their attempt to virtual signal.
>White people and black people would cry racism and attempt to cancel DC in their attempt to virtual signal.
Why can't they do more elseworld stuff that's completely seperated from the DCEU? Worked for the Joker and the Batman. Having a literal who in your universe planning nowadays is asking for a flop.
Should've did his original run starting with Infinite Crisis. Or better yet START WITH DAN OR FRICKING TED YOU LAZY MONGS!
The lack of Brenda and Paco really hurts. I think they do a lot to make that original run interesting. Also Milargo being an adult is moronic, and they don't need more than his mom and dad family-wise. It's all just missing what made those first 36 issues work so well.
>The lack of Brenda and Paco really hurts
This homie gets it. Also not making Jaime Texan really ruins his character
>Are you guys ready for the next slew of DC movies
There's your mistake, caring about adaptations
Wait the movie's out already?