Picard literally pulled Kirk out of Heaven to help him punch an old man (Malcolm "Way Too Good For This Garbage" McDowell) and got him killed. Picard had the ability to go to any point in Space/Time in order to stop said old man in any number of ways, but settled for Operation Pointless Kirk Death instead.
Thanks for the reminder! So after Kirk punches le old man and unceremoniously dies, what does Picard do? Have his remains beamed aboard the Enterprise for a proper funeral? Alert Star Fleet that one of its long-dead (or so it was thought) heroes just died saving an entire star system from Alex DeLarge? Nope. Sorry Admiral, but Picard's taking all the credit and leaving you under a half-assed stone cairn. Toodles!
>This. Movie. Sucks.
Every TNG movie sucked. Every one. >but muh first contact
Ruined the Borg with this stupid humid queen assimilates people not tech bullshit >but muh insurrection is a tng two parter at scale
Yes with senseless concessions to the actors' egos, like Action Barbie Doctor, Horny Picard, and Gilbert and Sullivan Data >but muh nemesis
It ends on a fat moronic robot trying and failing to whistle and that is the perfect metaphor for the kind of creature that liked Nemesis
The Lower Decks crisis point movies were unironically better than the movies and that's saying something
Thanks for the reminder! So after Kirk punches le old man and unceremoniously dies, what does Picard do? Have his remains beamed aboard the Enterprise for a proper funeral? Alert Star Fleet that one of its long-dead (or so it was thought) heroes just died saving an entire star system from Alex DeLarge? Nope. Sorry Admiral, but Picard's taking all the credit and leaving you under a half-assed stone cairn. Toodles!
This. Movie. Sucks.
Generations was still the best TNG era movie, but yeah, the ending blows fricking chunks.
I get teary eyed when Picard finds Kirk in the Nexus, it hits home too hard about "opportunities you wish you could do over again". The dog, the home, the ex, the perfect day outside you had when you were younger... at least for me, it hit harder than anything else the latter TNG movies gave.
>Ruined the Borg with this stupid humid queen assimilates people not tech bullshit
This is so tiresome.
The Borg have assimilated people since The Best of Both Worlds. They don't say "we will add your BIOLOGICAL and technological distinctiveness to our own" for no reason.
The Queen is ONLY a problem if you have a small mind (ironically the movie says this) and see her as an individual commanding the Collective, rather than what she actually is, which is the Collective embodied into an individual. How people don't get this when it is literally spelled out for them in the movie is baffling. Here, I emphasized the important words. >Who are you? >I am the Borg. >That is a contradiction. The Borg have a collective consciousness, there are no individuals. >I am the beginning, the end, *the one who is many. I am the Borg.* >Greetings. I am curious, do you control the Borg Collective? >*You imply a disparity where none exists.* **I am the Collective.**
The Borg Queen isn't a leader, she's an avatar that the Borg use to interface with and manipulate other species, exactly as she does with Data. She refers to herself as an individual because the Borg Collective is in effect one massive individual made up of the minds of trillions of drones. She is literally the Collective, puppeting and speaking through one body.
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>They don't say "we will add your BIOLOGICAL and technological distinctiveness to our own"
They didn't say biological in Q Who.
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>see her as an individual commanding the Collective, rather than what she actually is, which is the Collective embodied into an individual.
It still blows my mind people see her as the opposite. Your explanation was clearly explained in the film IIRC. That was the whole point of Locutus, as an avatar and mouthpiece.
Because before this scene, Picard had the option to travel back in time to any point. He could have simply returned to when the bad guy was on his ship, kept him in the brig, and saved the Enterprise as well.
What are the rules for time travel in Star Trek anyway?
Why can't they just solve every problem by going back in time like they did on The Voyage Home?
Kirk DID agree however. It’s also heavily implied that the nexus might just be like space heroin and that after a while it’ll actually lose its luster. Kirk seems to have been figuring this out when he jumped with his horse and didn’t feel like it was real.
They really should’ve touched on the Nexus later on.
He wasn't in heaven. He was in a place that was fake, that would placate you. And technically he had already died helping save the people of that other ship. He came back for one last attempt at helping others
Because before this scene, Picard had the option to travel back in time to any point. He could have simply returned to when the bad guy was on his ship, kept him in the brig, and saved the Enterprise as well.
At least with the moronic time travel plot in Picard S2, John Luck *chose* to close the causality loop. Which means that from a plot hole perspective, it's actually better than Generations
Immediately rushed after the end of the TNG series, writers massively exhausted and burnt out, too much corporate mandate shit forced in, and the ending they did write was Kirk got shot in the back, which test audiences HATED, then they had to do another QUICK rewrite that had to work with the bulk of the footage already shot, hence this.
BUT the worst of it, the corporate mandate, to leave a way to bring Kirk back IF they chose to (the Nexus bullshit). They could have scrapped all that shit and made a better film. Too late.
Is it really true that when George Takei saw this scene he spent a whole day leaving messages on Shatner’s answering machine where he was just shouting profanity and insults nonstop until a housekeeper answered the phone and said she would call the cops if he didn’t stop? I heard he told the whole story when he was on Stern.
I'm fairly convinced that Shatner and Takei had a one night stand and Takei caught feelings and Shatner caught a cab home and never spoke of it again. All the resultant drama is because of this experiment gone awry.
Some of my first pure autistic joy came from the Plinkett review of Generations. Specifically, when he made fun of the rocket touching the sun via "Wile E. Coyote logic," and Worf's calculation of the rocket's time to impact with the sun. In that moment I felt all the times I had turned to my friends and family during a movie or TV show and said "But that don't make no sense," only to have them reply "Uh bro seems to make sense to me lmao? Just enjoy the movie dude dude why are you making such a big deal of this dude? Makes perfect sense dude? Rocket go up?"
But it's when I watched the Plinkett equation and had every autistic conniption fit I had ever had in my life about time travel plotlines vindicated that I truly fell in love with Mike Stoklasa.
>someone once told me that >time is the fire in which we burn >that time was like a predator >stalking us all our lives >but i prefer to think of time as a companion >who teaches us to cherish each moment >because it may never come again
troubled she may be, generations has some gold in there
i also like when movies seem to end at the 2/3rds mark, then keep going - it's like you're in overtime or something, it works really well
>i'll just bury him under some rocks
based jean luc
>brokenPotterySound.wav
Can some trekgay explain to me why this death was bad?
It's just some subtle bridgeposting
Picard literally pulled Kirk out of Heaven to help him punch an old man (Malcolm "Way Too Good For This Garbage" McDowell) and got him killed. Picard had the ability to go to any point in Space/Time in order to stop said old man in any number of ways, but settled for Operation Pointless Kirk Death instead.
don't forget about the burial
Thanks for the reminder! So after Kirk punches le old man and unceremoniously dies, what does Picard do? Have his remains beamed aboard the Enterprise for a proper funeral? Alert Star Fleet that one of its long-dead (or so it was thought) heroes just died saving an entire star system from Alex DeLarge? Nope. Sorry Admiral, but Picard's taking all the credit and leaving you under a half-assed stone cairn. Toodles!
This. Movie. Sucks.
>This. Movie. Sucks.
Every TNG movie sucked. Every one.
>but muh first contact
Ruined the Borg with this stupid humid queen assimilates people not tech bullshit
>but muh insurrection is a tng two parter at scale
Yes with senseless concessions to the actors' egos, like Action Barbie Doctor, Horny Picard, and Gilbert and Sullivan Data
>but muh nemesis
It ends on a fat moronic robot trying and failing to whistle and that is the perfect metaphor for the kind of creature that liked Nemesis
The Lower Decks crisis point movies were unironically better than the movies and that's saying something
>The Lower Decks
Generations was still the best TNG era movie, but yeah, the ending blows fricking chunks.
I get teary eyed when Picard finds Kirk in the Nexus, it hits home too hard about "opportunities you wish you could do over again". The dog, the home, the ex, the perfect day outside you had when you were younger... at least for me, it hit harder than anything else the latter TNG movies gave.
>Ruined the Borg with this stupid humid queen assimilates people not tech bullshit
This is so tiresome.
The Borg have assimilated people since The Best of Both Worlds. They don't say "we will add your BIOLOGICAL and technological distinctiveness to our own" for no reason.
The Queen is ONLY a problem if you have a small mind (ironically the movie says this) and see her as an individual commanding the Collective, rather than what she actually is, which is the Collective embodied into an individual. How people don't get this when it is literally spelled out for them in the movie is baffling. Here, I emphasized the important words.
>Who are you?
>I am the Borg.
>That is a contradiction. The Borg have a collective consciousness, there are no individuals.
>I am the beginning, the end, *the one who is many. I am the Borg.*
>Greetings. I am curious, do you control the Borg Collective?
>*You imply a disparity where none exists.* **I am the Collective.**
The Borg Queen isn't a leader, she's an avatar that the Borg use to interface with and manipulate other species, exactly as she does with Data. She refers to herself as an individual because the Borg Collective is in effect one massive individual made up of the minds of trillions of drones. She is literally the Collective, puppeting and speaking through one body.
>They don't say "we will add your BIOLOGICAL and technological distinctiveness to our own"
They didn't say biological in Q Who.
>see her as an individual commanding the Collective, rather than what she actually is, which is the Collective embodied into an individual.
It still blows my mind people see her as the opposite. Your explanation was clearly explained in the film IIRC. That was the whole point of Locutus, as an avatar and mouthpiece.
Well, I guess after watching Star Wars sequels anything seems better than that shit
What are the rules for time travel in Star Trek anyway?
Why can't they just solve every problem by going back in time like they did on The Voyage Home?
They didn't change history in The Voyage Home except for the transparent aluminum, they brought something back from the past.
Kirk DID agree however. It’s also heavily implied that the nexus might just be like space heroin and that after a while it’ll actually lose its luster. Kirk seems to have been figuring this out when he jumped with his horse and didn’t feel like it was real.
They really should’ve touched on the Nexus later on.
He wasn't in heaven. He was in a place that was fake, that would placate you. And technically he had already died helping save the people of that other ship. He came back for one last attempt at helping others
Because before this scene, Picard had the option to travel back in time to any point. He could have simply returned to when the bad guy was on his ship, kept him in the brig, and saved the Enterprise as well.
At least with the moronic time travel plot in Picard S2, John Luck *chose* to close the causality loop. Which means that from a plot hole perspective, it's actually better than Generations
Stop pushing nu trek.
Causality loops are lame anyway. Fractured time streams with different deltas are so much cooler, such as Prodigy's Time Amok.
keep pushing nu trek
the homosexual who forces the general and this garbage thread doesn't like it
Imagine a beloved character with 30 years of irl history and even more in universe being taken out by a fricking bridge.
Immediately rushed after the end of the TNG series, writers massively exhausted and burnt out, too much corporate mandate shit forced in, and the ending they did write was Kirk got shot in the back, which test audiences HATED, then they had to do another QUICK rewrite that had to work with the bulk of the footage already shot, hence this.
BUT the worst of it, the corporate mandate, to leave a way to bring Kirk back IF they chose to (the Nexus bullshit). They could have scrapped all that shit and made a better film. Too late.
Why did anyone involved think the plot was a good idea
Call me Jim
Butler!
Lower Decks fans are somehow more embarrassing than the pedos in the fanbase.
More embarrassing than the kind of homosexual who wants to see Patrick Stewart and bloated Bill Shatner have a ham-off?
Your fishmalk cartoon isn't Trek.
>fishmalk
elab
Is it really true that when George Takei saw this scene he spent a whole day leaving messages on Shatner’s answering machine where he was just shouting profanity and insults nonstop until a housekeeper answered the phone and said she would call the cops if he didn’t stop? I heard he told the whole story when he was on Stern.
george takei is a bitter homosexual who makes up shit in his head
I'm fairly convinced that Shatner and Takei had a one night stand and Takei caught feelings and Shatner caught a cab home and never spoke of it again. All the resultant drama is because of this experiment gone awry.
Janeway had several time travel/alt dimension death scenes in Voyager and they were all more badass than Kirk. Imagine being mogged by Janeway.
everyone cried about this ending for Kirk, but I thought it was prefect.
also they had him redo this scene on Jimmy Kimmel lol
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Some of my first pure autistic joy came from the Plinkett review of Generations. Specifically, when he made fun of the rocket touching the sun via "Wile E. Coyote logic," and Worf's calculation of the rocket's time to impact with the sun. In that moment I felt all the times I had turned to my friends and family during a movie or TV show and said "But that don't make no sense," only to have them reply "Uh bro seems to make sense to me lmao? Just enjoy the movie dude dude why are you making such a big deal of this dude? Makes perfect sense dude? Rocket go up?"
But it's when I watched the Plinkett equation and had every autistic conniption fit I had ever had in my life about time travel plotlines vindicated that I truly fell in love with Mike Stoklasa.
sup rich how's your a1c
Star Trek has never had good scriptwriting, it's carried by novelty and the occasional good acting.
Beam me up, God
>someone once told me that
>time is the fire in which we burn
>that time was like a predator
>stalking us all our lives
>but i prefer to think of time as a companion
>who teaches us to cherish each moment
>because it may never come again
troubled she may be, generations has some gold in there
i also like when movies seem to end at the 2/3rds mark, then keep going - it's like you're in overtime or something, it works really well