The Killer Moth/Babs connection really isn’t as well known outside of here as people think. Yeah they have history that gets brought up but it’s not as ubiquitous as Joker with Batman or Lex and Superman. Moth mainly gets used as a dork villain anyone can fight these days.
The shipping and the fanfiction yeah, but Killer Moth has kinda become Barbara's unofficial archenemy.
It's not quite Batman and Joker or Superman and Lex, but it's there.
But lot of his newer stuff looks rushed compared to the old.
I don't think Kelley Jones has drawn an skinny woman his whole career and no one notices they always got thickness to them, I guess the heavy shadows and drawing mostly monsters and male characters helps. Him and Sam Keith draw the most natural looking women bodies I seen in comics though that aren't realistic.
Damian is for Maps! But Steph can join on the sex to coach them. Gotta make sure both their first time is right, and that no unwanted pregnancy occurs!
She shows up once in a while, like the other anon said a future version of her is in Birds of Prey, and she's getting a story in the Brave and the Bold book next year.
6 months ago
Anonymous
>and she's getting a story in the Brave and the Bold book next year.
No joke?
>How could Bruce and Alfred be so dumb as to think Steph’s voluptuous proportions could fit in Tim’s suit?
because normally you don't think about your adoptive daughter's breasts and ass size?
>adoptive daughter
Cinemaphile will label any girl who happens to go into the batcave as an adopted daughter to Batman I swear.
She's more a pesky neighbor that's friends with the kids type than a daughter figure.
6 months ago
Anonymous
>She's more a pesky neighbor that's friends with the kids type than a daughter figure.
which is why she used to date one of the major figures in his dyslexic family and is a member of said family and hangs around with them more then her actual fricking family, he also treats her like one.
she is practically his daughter, isn't her father dead or out of her life also?
6 months ago
T-o-C-A
She's his daugther in-almost-law.
6 months ago
Anonymous
she would have been, if not for fricking bernard
l swear to god if you put a cardboard cutout of the most generic white guy image you can find on google images and replaced bernard with it, it would have made no fricking difference with the braindead relationship we have now
6 months ago
T-o-C-A
As if tim and steph wont be back together before the end of the decade tbh.
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Now? Yes. but from that point in time where the comic is supposed to take place? She's Tim and Cass' friend he's kind of awkward with.
Keep in mind the original reason he finally decided to reach out to Steph was because he couldn't get in contact with Tim and didn't want to go through Alfred because he was trying to avoid him.
Being fair the gotham knights story was while she and tim were dating and that writer did potray bruce as trusting her more.
But tim and steph were a couple cosnitntley barring that brief breakup tho tim wasn't really his son figure yet.
6 months ago
Anonymous
l honestly have some doubt it will happen, unless it's after the quintillionth reboot dc will be pushing next decade
6 months ago
T-o-C-A
Its a big longstanding couple those are always revised, and bernard on his own isn't that popular. Only way I can see it not happening is if steph is paired up with cass, which I don't really think is likely.
6 months ago
Anonymous
eh with the news of that moronic troony Black person who wants to turn connor and some other character into trannies, cass will probably be paired with steph (then immediately forgotten about because no one cares besides those DCComicsCirclejerk redittors)
6 months ago
Anonymous
>who wants to turn connor and some other character into trannies
but they rejected that, which is why they keep posting about it.
DC does have a "secretly LGBT" list internally but they're not all in on it. It's not likely they'd make two characters in an editorial house gay at once, or at least they'd wait years before confirming anything.
6 months ago
Anonymous
there is another one they want to make trans that DC approved of, not connor, apperantly we'll see
6 months ago
T-o-C-A
Not really, they didnt go trough it.
And hey for whatever reason people there like me lol.
TimSteph is finished.
Steph herself is now more popular than Tim.
Huh? In what world? Look I like steph a lot, but she really isn't more popular than tim.
6 months ago
Anonymous
>And hey for whatever reason people there like me lol.
l mean yeah, l used to have a plebbit account and l commented there a lot and people there liked me before l got banned, it's not hard to blend in
6 months ago
T-o-C-A
Ah more so the cass/kon stuff, eh.
6 months ago
Anonymous
it was just random shit on posts that made me interested, l made sure to not comment on political shit so l wouldn't get banned
6 months ago
T-o-C-A
Dunno man, have a steph for consolation.
6 months ago
Anonymous
okay question, did any redditors actually call you out for being from Cinemaphile or not
6 months ago
T-o-C-A
Idk, that was in a thing describing me, same with the r34, neither particularly negatively so...
6 months ago
Anonymous
TimSteph is finished.
Steph herself is now more popular than Tim.
6 months ago
Anonymous
If Black Mask taking some power drills to Steph couldn’t kill timsteph I doubt Fitzmartins poor writing will.
6 months ago
Anonymous
She's his daugther in-almost-law.
Now? Yes. but from that point in time where the comic is supposed to take place? She's Tim and Cass' friend he's kind of awkward with.
Keep in mind the original reason he finally decided to reach out to Steph was because he couldn't get in contact with Tim and didn't want to go through Alfred because he was trying to avoid him.
6 months ago
Anonymous
it doesn't really fricking matter, the original post l was first replying to (
>How could Bruce and Alfred be so dumb as to think Steph’s voluptuous proportions could fit in Tim’s suit?
because normally you don't think about your adoptive daughter's breasts and ass size?
) was making a general statement.
6 months ago
Anonymous
>hangs around with them more then her actual fricking family
That's because DC creative is full of hacks.
Steph's mom hasn't appeared since Batman Eternal. Not even in that dogshit Batgirls book. Because they're pandering to the twitter posters who heckin love the batfamerino.
>adoptive daughter
She was only made Robin to make Tim jealous. Too bad Tim didn't come back so the both of them could be Robins instead of that disastrous War Games bullshit.
6 months ago
Anonymous
Tim could have his own stunt as red robin honestly, she could be robin.
But Tim doesn't have any fricking personality or something people will remember him by, so he's the metaphorical (probably literal) middle child of the bat-family
6 months ago
T-o-C-A
Red Robin's a dumb id, and eh that's not really true. A ton fo stuff got established with/for tim. The backpedaling don't he robin thing fundamentally just comes from red robin...still being robin.
6 months ago
Anonymous
I kinda wanna see Elseworld where Steph became Robin after Jason and Tim doesn't exist, like Bruce deals with Cluemaster and all that but finds out Steph trying to stop her dad and ends up realizing she would make an good Robin and takes her in.
6 months ago
Anonymous
It's not quite that exactly but World Without Young Justice was an AU where the YJ had their histories changed so that they didn't become heroes, and Steph became Batman's Robin instead.
6 months ago
Anonymous
Arthur's costume here is...kinda kinky. >he just steals bitcoins in this universe
The only one who understood Anarky was Alan Grant, everyone else writing of him is off, I mean Grant made whole philosophy for the character.
biggest problem is that other writers forget that Lonnie is a kid who's a bit in over his head and not "cool".
6 months ago
Anonymous
>Lonnie is a kid who's a bit in over his head and not "cool".
Honestly The Batman is unironically just Anarky in a Riddler skin.
Not really, she was drawn pretty typical of teen characters, so kinda thin. Part of her whole spoiler identity was being almost androgynous at a glance, which is why Tim got taken by surprise that she was a girl.
By the 2000's she started getting drawn bustier but not consistently. But she did say she was still losing the pregnancy weight do you can imagine she didn't manage to shed all of it.
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I doubt it. It;s not entirely impossible it gets brought up again, butit;s been 25 years and she was pregnant for all of like 6 issues. Mostly in the background. Dixon only brings it up once after and then it's mostly forgotten except for the end of War Games and a moment in convergence.
It was a bigger deal for her when she was a Robin side character with like 20 appearances up til then, now it's just a 90's thing like Peeg's pregnancy or Catwoman's 2000's pregnancy.
Well post-rebirth technically a different universe from post-crisis.
Yep.
Even stuff like Killer Moth being Charaxas is acknowledged these days.
l am curious if the pregnancy arc ever actually made it into the Nu-52/Rebirth or did it get dropped
I doubt it. It;s not entirely impossible it gets brought up again, butit;s been 25 years and she was pregnant for all of like 6 issues. Mostly in the background. Dixon only brings it up once after and then it's mostly forgotten except for the end of War Games and a moment in convergence.
It was a bigger deal for her when she was a Robin side character with like 20 appearances up til then, now it's just a 90's thing like Peeg's pregnancy or Catwoman's 2000's pregnancy.
>Mia Deardon
Like they ever even bring her back lol.
6 months ago
Anonymous
>he doesn't know
6 months ago
Anonymous
This anon hasn’t read the new Green Arrow ongoing
Oh...what's the point? we got like 4 different chicks with arrows in DC, only need 1.
6 months ago
Anonymous
>
6 months ago
Anonymous
Does Ralph have any fans?
6 months ago
Anonymous
Yes? Maybe I'm just old but plenty of people were upset by how he and Sue were treated in Identity Crisis.
6 months ago
Anonymous
Sure, any sane person would have that reaction to Identity Crisis but is anyone ever excited when he shows up?
6 months ago
Anonymous
I don't need to be super hyped up for a characterz to enjoy them. I enjoy Ralph and Sue and how they interact with other characters. Ralph showing up won't be a big moment like, say, Shiva showing up to dismantle a bunch of fighters, but that's fine. They just have different appeals.
6 months ago
Anonymous
>Ralph showing up won't be a big moment like, say, Shiva showing up to dismantle a bunch of fighters
He's a stretchy guy. He could easily get the drop on Lady Shiva, and under a proper writer, it would be epic.
6 months ago
Anonymous
>Ralph draw boring and lame >Plastic Man is fun
nice touch.
It is settling when Tim has been associated with far hotter women, many with actual powers. It's amazing he even saw anything in someone dumb enough to get knocked up as a teenager.
>At least Anri tried to put out
she was also fricking crazy and was trying to frick Tim so they could be together forever. She was probably hoping to get knocked up.
Steph would absolutely put out if Tim let her.
Seriously if Tim just fingerbanger her when she was talking about getting worked up after crime fighting she never would have got knocked up by that loser.
6 months ago
Anonymous
I can't entirely fault Tim for being faithful to his girlfirend because he's a good guy...
but holy shit just leaving her ass in the street while she was just about ovulating and leaking all over his car was just not gonna end with good ideas.
6 months ago
Anonymous
Just saying you know Tim sniffed the frick out of that car seat when he got home.
6 months ago
Anonymous
He parked in an alley, flopped over, and inhaled deeply while cranking one out.
6 months ago
Anonymous
You ever think Tim calls out Stephanie’s name when he’s hitting Bernard from the back?
Except he wasn't socially awkward at all. Tim being a weird introvert is a fanon invention that doesn't gel with him being a skater with a bunch of friends who's also into wacky disguises.
I don't remember that but it does seem likely- thing is Tam and Zoe didn't know the "real"Tim, they knew a borderline suicidal Tim who lost all his loved ones who used his civilian life as an act.
When Tim skated, had regular friends that weren't superheroes, listened to then-modern bands, he was still going off the momentum of his life before Robin. He probably had dated before, had girlfriends, was a normal teenager even if he was arguably obsessive over the Batman and robin thing. It was just one part of him. He still had attraction to women.
The reason Dixon's Tim didn't frick Steph or Arianna is because he was only 15 years old and DC wasn't going to be doing that.
True, it feels like a lot of the “queer coded” moments are just people looking at it with googles on. Like Tim trying to clone Conner after his death but not his dad or Steph. Like he would be able to go dig up graves in Gotham, or then ignoring him saying “he’s lost to many people”.
6 months ago
Anonymous
But he also tried to bring steph and his dad back.
6 months ago
Anonymous
> Like Tim trying to clone Conner after his death
now that literally was queercoded lmao.
6 months ago
Anonymous
Brain and Mallah are DC’s best queer couple and I’ll die on that hill
6 months ago
Anonymous
>Master
So it's like that, huh?
6 months ago
Anonymous
Sure, he still tried bringing all 3 back in the other book, but people ignore that in favor of just this.
6 months ago
Anonymous
People would rather ignore that because two guys being friends is impossible they have to be secretly gay for each other.
6 months ago
Anonymous
People would rather ignore that because two guys being friends is impossible they have to be secretly gay for each other.
Mainly because that issue visually compares Mallah and Tim. It's pretty heavy handed.
I think the accusations that Dixon made Tim seem gay is stupid. But I completely believe writers in the 2000's were hinting at something like it. they basically changed Tim's character anyway
6 months ago
Anonymous
One writer did in his TT run, while other writers had him just as obsessive about his dead gf and dead dad (and remember all 3 of those basically happened in under amonth)
6 months ago
Anonymous
I was there, anon. Tim was way more obsessive about Kon than steph or his dad. I'm more of a Steph fan than a Tim fan, and the Cass book was acknowledging her more frequently than Tim's was. As far as cloning her along Kon, it wasn't even mentioned as a thing until months to a year of it being an ongoing thing with Kon. There's a reason the jokes were cracked.
6 months ago
Anonymous
Because steph's death happened right near his dad's too, and then kon was the last one, the titans book focused on the titans one, leaving stephanie a bit out but she still got the same ressurection thing and her being there whenever tim was sulking about all the people near him dying (never bart, despite him ALSO dying during that time).
6 months ago
Anonymous
Tim’s face after Bruce reveals he “knew” Steph was alive the entire time will be the best.
6 months ago
Anonymous
That tim didnt go insane during this time is just impressive.
6 months ago
Anonymous
It's sort of interesting that Bruce seemed to use Steph as a bargaining chip with Tim. When he was worried he was going to break away from him, he tells Steph her identity and frames it under the idea that now Tim would be able to balance his civilian and hero life better- not thinking Tim would be upset at him making the decision for him.
Then there's using her as robin to make Tim want to come back.
Then having her keep an eye on Tim and try to make him better while he was gone.
With keeping her being alive away from him- it makes me think he was planning on telling him only when he felt he had sunk too deep into depression. Like he'd tell him he suspected something and they could investigate it together to make him feel hope again. But Bludhaven, Nanda Parbat trip, the matter with Damian, all that stuff took priority over it and he didn't realize how desperate Tim was getting.
I don't think any of this was planned(Steph's at the mercy of editors for most of this era) but from what we get it does make it seem like he was using her as collateral.
6 months ago
Anonymous
Wasn’t Damian’s introduction after Steph was revealed to be alive though?
6 months ago
Anonymous
Before. He just went away for a while.
6 months ago
Anonymous
I remember when War Games was for the longest time the most hated Batman crossover...man simpler times.
6 months ago
Anonymous
But you act as if the jokes are an actual thing and not just jokes. People have been making jokes about aquaman fricking fish or batman and robin being gay. Doesnt really mean shit.
6 months ago
Anonymous
>I was there, anon. Tim was way more obsessive about Kon than steph or his dad. I'm more of a Steph fan than a Tim fan,
In TT in his actual Robin run Kon isn't singled out as being a special death.
Meanwhile, 15 year old Superboy was banging Tana Moon and Knockout.
Tim was giving off those queer vibes.
6 months ago
Anonymous
He was trying to bang them, not actually doing so. But those are basically the two ways to write a teenage character, either more thoughtful or just horndog.
6 months ago
Anonymous
Yet people say that he's gay too.
The thing is that anyone can be gay, whether they're ultra horny or reject everyone, both can be used as an excuse for "secretly being gay", it's a broad umbrella, and it can apply to literally anyone.
6 months ago
Anonymous
That's what im saying.
6 months ago
Anonymous
Yet people say that he's gay too.
6 months ago
Anonymous
And a troony wants to make him a troony.
6 months ago
Anonymous
Conner has only banged Cassie
6 months ago
Anonymous
Correction: Cassie has only banged Conner.
Conner has banged Knockout, Tana Moon and that chick from the Ravers.
6 months ago
Anonymous
see
>15 year old Superboy was banging Tana Moon and Knockout.
It's almost like they're two different characters with two different personalities and circumstances.
Besides he was just macking on them . Kon never officially had sex until Cassie and only because he was going to die. For years people have been acting like Kon was having full hardcore penetrative sex in the pages of Superboy...that wasn't happening.
6 months ago
T-o-C-A
Not if i have anything to say about it lol. Come on it was too easy for me not to interject, promise I wont again, its the stepfrens thread.
6 months ago
Anonymous
DAMN!
6 months ago
Anonymous
>15 year old Superboy was banging Tana Moon and Knockout.
It's almost like they're two different characters with two different personalities and circumstances.
Besides he was just macking on them . Kon never officially had sex until Cassie and only because he was going to die. For years people have been acting like Kon was having full hardcore penetrative sex in the pages of Superboy...that wasn't happening.
6 months ago
Anonymous
6 months ago
Anonymous
Again that's just the robin joke they've been making since the 40s
6 months ago
Anonymous
He got offended which funniest part honestly.
6 months ago
Anonymous
She basically called him a homosexual, so...and it IS Harley. Maybe he's also annoyed by her voice.
6 months ago
Anonymous
>jokes started with Dick >they only became true with Tim
6 months ago
Anonymous
>gets called a homosexual >is offended
that's a completely normal reaction
6 months ago
Anonymous
they were really desperate to bring back Babs to the point of just drawing Harley as her, huh?
6 months ago
Anonymous
Considering it's Harley, I think they were mocking the very concept of Babs.
Dixon's Tim was driven by an attraction to steph he had to hold back on to not compromise his identity or cheat on his then-current girlfriend.
I still think if Jon Lewis kept writing the book he'd have possibly had it so that Tim and Steph were more intimate. There's a lot of really close moments with them around that time. I think DC was less skittish with having their teen heroes losing it by then. Where as when Dixon was writing DC the YJ books were still aimed at kids too.
>You know I never liked how Steph is joined at the hip to the Batman franchise
Why wouldn't she be? She was solely created to be a supporting cast member to Tim who himself is a supporting cast member to Batman. Not even DC's golden boy Dick can escape the shadow of the Bat franchise; why would one of the far less popular character be able to so?
She was created as the daughter of a D-list Batman rogue. Batman himself is the one who had the most important moments with her in her debut arc, not Tim. She was created for Tec, not the Robin book, so she didn't have to be a Robin character.
You know I never liked how Steph is joined at the hip to the Batman franchise. I feel like she could work as a solo heroine.
Disagree. Helena Bertinelli can be and has been successfully separated from Batman and Gotham. But Steph's personality is supposed to contrast, clash with, and respond to the broodiness and the larger-than-life grandiosity of Batman.
And she's supposed to be an underdog but a lovable one—if you tried to stick Steph on the Titans or JL, then she'd make friends and allies pretty quickly. It's because she's isolated to Gotham and the Batpeople that she has to claw her way up to be accepted among a bunch of stuck-up emo freaks. She's also pretty attached to the urban setting, she needs to fall in dumpsters and ride her little scooter around.
Helena otoh is really abraisive with a massive chip on her shoulder, so it's interesting when she struggles to be a team player with the JL or JSA or Spyral. She also spent most of her childhood in Sicily and then in university, not so much to Gotham. Then later on globetrotting with the BoP. You can easily transplant her mafia backstory to another city other than Gotham.
>I never liked how Steph is joined at the hip to the Batman franchise. I feel like she could work as a solo heroine.
No offense but literally how the frick? She's a generic blonde chick with no powers and no real gimmick. Only thing Steph has got working for her is that she's a Bat character. If she was detached from the Bat franchise she'd disappear off of everyone's radar instantly.
She's the spunky hot blonde daughter of a villain. Becoming Batgirl was her apotheosis, but there's literally nowhere for her to go after that. And while it can work, the major hinderance for Steph-Bats are the major Batgirl enemies: bad writers and lackluster editorial.
She's the spunky hot blonde daughter of a villain. Becoming Batgirl was her apotheosis, but there's literally nowhere for her to go after that. And while it can work, the major hinderance for Steph-Bats are the major Batgirl enemies: bad writers and lackluster editorial.
I would actually agree; I also think Steph would've made a good YA graphic novel protagonist since the angle of a girl who rebels against a supervillain dad seems like an obvious thing to target to teen girls.
That said I do like her as is within Gotham.
That would not be the worst idea with Steph. Do a YA book, or a series, with her, and if it introduces any good characters or material, adapt them for the comics.
It helps that the old Spoiler costume is workable outside of bat-stuff. She's basically a purple ghost.
Play with the contrast of her superhero identity being a creepy little spooky thing and her being a teen girl who uses humor to hide her issues like being from a broken home.
>and her being a teen girl who uses humor to hide her issues like being from a broken home.
Definitely good YA fodder, especially if you throw in two bisexual male models to lust after her.
>especially if you throw in babs amd cass to lust after her.
Ftfy.
If you want to try to avoid the obvious Tim and Jason answers, Anarky as the edgy badboy and Kyle as the sweet wholesome boy from a well-off family.
6 months ago
Anonymous
I was think of using Anarky for Steph in my Robin: Brotherhood tv show concept. How would Tim fare against him?
6 months ago
Anonymous
Anarky is one of Tim's oldest rivals because they're both frickin' dorks.
6 months ago
Anonymous
Really though it almost writes itself. Lonnie is all about revolution and dismantling old structures.
Tim is the son of a well off archaeologist who dresses like a great white hunter stereotype. He used to wear a fricking pith hat.
6 months ago
Anonymous
Did you catch a certain reference on this page? Has to do with the inspiration for Anarky- and also something heavily associated with Cinemaphile back in the day.
6 months ago
Anonymous
And thus begins a rivalry that...really not enough is done with.
Also funny to note- Alan Grant was trying to lead into Anarky becoming robin- only for Tim Drake's creation to catch him by surprise. The idea being that Bruce would try to focus Lonnie's ideals into something productive in a less antagonistic way. In a meta way Tim kept Lonnie from that "redemption"
6 months ago
Anonymous
Maybe they should've brought him back for that ill-fated Tim Drake Robin book.
He wouldn't have saved it from the art or the writing, but it would've been cool to see him again.
6 months ago
Anonymous
Did you catch a certain reference on this page? Has to do with the inspiration for Anarky- and also something heavily associated with Cinemaphile back in the day.
Really though it almost writes itself. Lonnie is all about revolution and dismantling old structures.
Tim is the son of a well off archaeologist who dresses like a great white hunter stereotype. He used to wear a fricking pith hat.
Anarky is one of Tim's oldest rivals because they're both frickin' dorks.
Okay, this is absolute gold.
6 months ago
Anonymous
Grant wrote a better Tim than Dixon imo and I like Dixon's take.
6 months ago
Anonymous
Pith helmets are cool. If you're a steampunk.
6 months ago
Anonymous
You just made me remember that they killed Anarky in the black Batman book.
6 months ago
Anonymous
Who’s Kyle?
Also I only know anarchy from the 3D show. Is the character the same in the comics? He looks younger there
6 months ago
Anonymous
Kyle is Maps Mizoguchi's brother who's kind of a normie compared to her.
Anarky in the comics is less mastermind-like than the CGI show version. Basically the show made him like Ledger Joker when his comic self was a teenager with delusions of grandeur.
6 months ago
Anonymous
The only one who understood Anarky was Alan Grant, everyone else writing of him is off, I mean Grant made whole philosophy for the character.
6 months ago
Anonymous
Wait. Isn’t Maps a normie too? Or is she officially robin now? I remember seeing on Cinemaphile Wonder Woman had a daughter, looked 6 years old, who dressed as robin, so that can’t be it… or do you mean normie as in bland? Like barely a character?
The show left me a good impression of anarky, will I like the comics counterpart?
She's objectively the best Batgirl, by virtue of being the most human and thus the best contrast to the insane superhuman shenanigans of Bruce's inner circle, so however bad she is, Cass and Babs are worse.
>go on thread about the character just to shit on a character
Brilliant move. Let's see if it pays off.
She's objectively the best Batgirl, by virtue of being the most human and thus the best contrast to the insane superhuman shenanigans of Bruce's inner circle, so however bad she is, Cass and Babs are worse.
Batgirl being that point of contrast isn't really a rule. Maybe that's why people don't like her, too ordinary for it. Regardless they all add something (we can debate those merits but they add something). But we can't talk about a character without putting down others to make our favorite better can we?
this is old but it's a decent primer.
the quick and easier one would be to read her debut issues, a few key issues like her first few teamups with Tim, their date night issue , the teamup with Huntress and Cass, the Gotham Knights Joker's last laugh crossover. Then her brief Robin run.
Her Batgirl(2009) run is also new reader friendly, mostly.
Her modern reading starts around Batman Eternal and continues into Tynion's detective comic run, then she sort of floats around books until Batgirls.
Because Carrie and Terry’s universes don’t even have most of the batfamily. I don’t think Steph’s ever been the only one to take up the mantle . What the hell are you even saying or getting this from?
Earth 3 Steph was a hero and ended up being the Batwoman of that timeline, and she ended up being super competent at it.
https://dc.fandom.com/wiki/Stephanie_Brown_(Earth_3)
>the Batwoman of that timeline
Yes but it's Earth 3, so she wasn't following in Bruce's Legacy; that universe's bruce is Thomas Wayne Jr./Owlman. There was no Batman in that Universe and she's just an independant.
It's her good side
Chunky
Also huge bazongas in the same issue.
Kelley Jones drawing these modern designs doesn't look right also art looks like a rush job.
I can't help but think this was meant to be Babs.
At his point the Batgirls having a connection with Killer Moth is just a thing, like the Robins have Two-Face and Crazy Quilt.
Km's had some fun moments with Jason in the latest Joker book. But as Barbara's nemesis, it's only right Cass and Steph inherit him.
Steph is shorter than Babs, so she has a different hip-to-height ratio.
Thus Steph has more ass and breasts relatively to Babs.
That's a classic babs ass pose though.
It's Killer Moth, so yeah. And I bet a lot of artists start drawing Batgirl, remember she isn't Babs, then redraw.
That and the hair.
The Killer Moth/Babs connection really isn’t as well known outside of here as people think. Yeah they have history that gets brought up but it’s not as ubiquitous as Joker with Batman or Lex and Superman. Moth mainly gets used as a dork villain anyone can fight these days.
>It's Killer Moth, so yeah.
batgirl/killer is just a Cinemaphile thing
The shipping, maybe, but he's still her longest enduring nemesis.
The shipping and the fanfiction yeah, but Killer Moth has kinda become Barbara's unofficial archenemy.
It's not quite Batman and Joker or Superman and Lex, but it's there.
It'd be funny to see if someone points out to Barbara that her most iconic nemesis is a z-list nobody.
he was also the first supervillain she fought and she has a crush on him
I will always headcanon her crush into an insatiable lust, just to make it more interesting.
We heard you the first time anon calm down
Becasue they're not good designs
That's like saying only Batman can fight the Joker, come on dude.
It wasn't just that but the hairstyle and posture that screamed Babs to me.
Ehhh, I don't see it, those just seem like regular white woman hairstyle and posture.
Well to me the difference is hair volume and the bad b***h aura like the sassy jaunting hips.
For me, it was the fat ass.
All the batgirls should have nice butts.
I wish it was regular. Both in comics and real life.
I don't think Kelley Jones has drawn an skinny woman his whole career and no one notices they always got thickness to them, I guess the heavy shadows and drawing mostly monsters and male characters helps. Him and Sam Keith draw the most natural looking women bodies I seen in comics though that aren't realistic.
He still draws great women even with his gothic style.
But lot of his newer stuff looks rushed compared to the old.
where's this from?
whats this from
Recent Harley Quinn title, it's a back up.
Deadman mini.
>>that time she was captured and tortured by Black Mask
You just know
Surprise they never hinted at this as it was the right time and right characters for it.
In my head canon, it happened.
Why else would Leslie be so forceful to hide her out of Gotham?
Because it was a retcon. And what part about hiding translates as rape victim in your mind? Did Bane rape Bruce Wayne too?
>Did Bane rape Bruce Wayne too?
I mean how else do you break the bat?
by breaking his spine, you fricking brainlet
Breaking his spine by blowing out his back.
reminder that poop comes out from between there
Quick Steph butt cause I'm happy Kelley Jones got to draw Steph.
If I were Duke I’d be all up on that.
Steph is for Damian.
Damian is for Maps!
But Steph can join on the sex to coach them. Gotta make sure both their first time is right, and that no unwanted pregnancy occurs!
Is Maps still involved with these comics or is she forgotten?
Future version of her is in the birds of prey alongside Cass. Does it count?
She shows up once in a while, like the other anon said a future version of her is in Birds of Prey, and she's getting a story in the Brave and the Bold book next year.
>and she's getting a story in the Brave and the Bold book next year.
No joke?
Steph is for Me
Love her curves, but I'm also admiring the neat thicc linework.
>that pussy detail
Was she this thicc before the pregnancy?
This is Steph at her maximum thiccness.
This art is terrible
>Doesn't like Damion Scott
shit taste,
>He ships Tim and Cass for some reason.
Still weird.
How could Bruce and Alfred be so dumb as to think Steph’s voluptuous proportions could fit in Tim’s suit?
>How could Bruce and Alfred be so dumb as to think Steph’s voluptuous proportions could fit in Tim’s suit?
because normally you don't think about your adoptive daughter's breasts and ass size?
Actually, normally we do…..
What the actual frick
maybe the black man with the thunder was right about you after all
>adoptive daughter
Cinemaphile will label any girl who happens to go into the batcave as an adopted daughter to Batman I swear.
She's more a pesky neighbor that's friends with the kids type than a daughter figure.
>She's more a pesky neighbor that's friends with the kids type than a daughter figure.
which is why she used to date one of the major figures in his dyslexic family and is a member of said family and hangs around with them more then her actual fricking family, he also treats her like one.
she is practically his daughter, isn't her father dead or out of her life also?
She's his daugther in-almost-law.
she would have been, if not for fricking bernard
l swear to god if you put a cardboard cutout of the most generic white guy image you can find on google images and replaced bernard with it, it would have made no fricking difference with the braindead relationship we have now
As if tim and steph wont be back together before the end of the decade tbh.
Being fair the gotham knights story was while she and tim were dating and that writer did potray bruce as trusting her more.
But tim and steph were a couple cosnitntley barring that brief breakup tho tim wasn't really his son figure yet.
l honestly have some doubt it will happen, unless it's after the quintillionth reboot dc will be pushing next decade
Its a big longstanding couple those are always revised, and bernard on his own isn't that popular. Only way I can see it not happening is if steph is paired up with cass, which I don't really think is likely.
eh with the news of that moronic troony Black person who wants to turn connor and some other character into trannies, cass will probably be paired with steph (then immediately forgotten about because no one cares besides those DCComicsCirclejerk redittors)
>who wants to turn connor and some other character into trannies
but they rejected that, which is why they keep posting about it.
DC does have a "secretly LGBT" list internally but they're not all in on it. It's not likely they'd make two characters in an editorial house gay at once, or at least they'd wait years before confirming anything.
there is another one they want to make trans that DC approved of, not connor, apperantly we'll see
Not really, they didnt go trough it.
And hey for whatever reason people there like me lol.
Huh? In what world? Look I like steph a lot, but she really isn't more popular than tim.
>And hey for whatever reason people there like me lol.
l mean yeah, l used to have a plebbit account and l commented there a lot and people there liked me before l got banned, it's not hard to blend in
Ah more so the cass/kon stuff, eh.
it was just random shit on posts that made me interested, l made sure to not comment on political shit so l wouldn't get banned
Dunno man, have a steph for consolation.
okay question, did any redditors actually call you out for being from Cinemaphile or not
Idk, that was in a thing describing me, same with the r34, neither particularly negatively so...
TimSteph is finished.
Steph herself is now more popular than Tim.
If Black Mask taking some power drills to Steph couldn’t kill timsteph I doubt Fitzmartins poor writing will.
Now? Yes. but from that point in time where the comic is supposed to take place? She's Tim and Cass' friend he's kind of awkward with.
Keep in mind the original reason he finally decided to reach out to Steph was because he couldn't get in contact with Tim and didn't want to go through Alfred because he was trying to avoid him.
it doesn't really fricking matter, the original post l was first replying to (
) was making a general statement.
>hangs around with them more then her actual fricking family
That's because DC creative is full of hacks.
Steph's mom hasn't appeared since Batman Eternal. Not even in that dogshit Batgirls book. Because they're pandering to the twitter posters who heckin love the batfamerino.
>adoptive daughter
She was only made Robin to make Tim jealous. Too bad Tim didn't come back so the both of them could be Robins instead of that disastrous War Games bullshit.
Tim could have his own stunt as red robin honestly, she could be robin.
But Tim doesn't have any fricking personality or something people will remember him by, so he's the metaphorical (probably literal) middle child of the bat-family
Red Robin's a dumb id, and eh that's not really true. A ton fo stuff got established with/for tim. The backpedaling don't he robin thing fundamentally just comes from red robin...still being robin.
I kinda wanna see Elseworld where Steph became Robin after Jason and Tim doesn't exist, like Bruce deals with Cluemaster and all that but finds out Steph trying to stop her dad and ends up realizing she would make an good Robin and takes her in.
It's not quite that exactly but World Without Young Justice was an AU where the YJ had their histories changed so that they didn't become heroes, and Steph became Batman's Robin instead.
Arthur's costume here is...kinda kinky.
>he just steals bitcoins in this universe
biggest problem is that other writers forget that Lonnie is a kid who's a bit in over his head and not "cool".
>Lonnie is a kid who's a bit in over his head and not "cool".
Honestly The Batman is unironically just Anarky in a Riddler skin.
I mean OP's story is Steph at her thiccest.
Not really, she was drawn pretty typical of teen characters, so kinda thin. Part of her whole spoiler identity was being almost androgynous at a glance, which is why Tim got taken by surprise that she was a girl.
By the 2000's she started getting drawn bustier but not consistently. But she did say she was still losing the pregnancy weight do you can imagine she didn't manage to shed all of it.
No of course not, the panels where Stephanie has buxom proportions were emphasized by specific perspective shots
Her kid even canon anymore?
Yep.
Even stuff like Killer Moth being Charaxas is acknowledged these days.
Wasn't Charaxes literally ripped in half by Superboy Prime, or am I thinking of someone else?
Well post-rebirth technically a different universe from post-crisis.
I doubt it. It;s not entirely impossible it gets brought up again, butit;s been 25 years and she was pregnant for all of like 6 issues. Mostly in the background. Dixon only brings it up once after and then it's mostly forgotten except for the end of War Games and a moment in convergence.
It was a bigger deal for her when she was a Robin side character with like 20 appearances up til then, now it's just a 90's thing like Peeg's pregnancy or Catwoman's 2000's pregnancy.
Or Mia Deardon having HIV
>Mia Deardon
Like they ever even bring her back lol.
>he doesn't know
Oh...what's the point? we got like 4 different chicks with arrows in DC, only need 1.
>
Does Ralph have any fans?
Yes? Maybe I'm just old but plenty of people were upset by how he and Sue were treated in Identity Crisis.
Sure, any sane person would have that reaction to Identity Crisis but is anyone ever excited when he shows up?
I don't need to be super hyped up for a characterz to enjoy them. I enjoy Ralph and Sue and how they interact with other characters. Ralph showing up won't be a big moment like, say, Shiva showing up to dismantle a bunch of fighters, but that's fine. They just have different appeals.
>Ralph showing up won't be a big moment like, say, Shiva showing up to dismantle a bunch of fighters
He's a stretchy guy. He could easily get the drop on Lady Shiva, and under a proper writer, it would be epic.
>Ralph draw boring and lame
>Plastic Man is fun
nice touch.
This anon hasn’t read the new Green Arrow ongoing
It was brought up for a whopping 1 panel and forgotten about, it wasn't of substance or of any effect, the writers knew it wasn't gonna stay
I’ve never read GA because I’m a GLChad, but I’m just going to assume some gay guy wrote this to empower HIVgays.
I guess? Though HIV was still transmissible through condoms. However we have drugs now that reduce transmission rate by 99%.
Shadowhawk did it first.
Damn Tim really called dating that “settling”
It is settling when Tim has been associated with far hotter women, many with actual powers. It's amazing he even saw anything in someone dumb enough to get knocked up as a teenager.
Cassie is mid, lynx was meh, and anri was a nobody
At least Anri tried to put out. Her lingerie wearing whoppers were right in Tim’s face.
>At least Anri tried to put out
she was also fricking crazy and was trying to frick Tim so they could be together forever. She was probably hoping to get knocked up.
Steph would absolutely put out if Tim let her.
Seriously if Tim just fingerbanger her when she was talking about getting worked up after crime fighting she never would have got knocked up by that loser.
I can't entirely fault Tim for being faithful to his girlfirend because he's a good guy...
but holy shit just leaving her ass in the street while she was just about ovulating and leaking all over his car was just not gonna end with good ideas.
Just saying you know Tim sniffed the frick out of that car seat when he got home.
He parked in an alley, flopped over, and inhaled deeply while cranking one out.
You ever think Tim calls out Stephanie’s name when he’s hitting Bernard from the back?
>Implying Tim is the pitcher and not the catcher
>Tim said no to that in the mid-90s
Chuck Dixon has nobody to blame but himself for Tim’s homosexuality.
Nah, blame weirdos who think a socially awkward teenager not knowing what to do with a girl for that because “muh queer-coding”
Except he wasn't socially awkward at all. Tim being a weird introvert is a fanon invention that doesn't gel with him being a skater with a bunch of friends who's also into wacky disguises.
Wasn’t it Tam Fox or Zo who made a comment about him being the weird quiet kid who might snap at school one day though?
I don't remember that but it does seem likely- thing is Tam and Zoe didn't know the "real"Tim, they knew a borderline suicidal Tim who lost all his loved ones who used his civilian life as an act.
When Tim skated, had regular friends that weren't superheroes, listened to then-modern bands, he was still going off the momentum of his life before Robin. He probably had dated before, had girlfriends, was a normal teenager even if he was arguably obsessive over the Batman and robin thing. It was just one part of him. He still had attraction to women.
The reason Dixon's Tim didn't frick Steph or Arianna is because he was only 15 years old and DC wasn't going to be doing that.
True, it feels like a lot of the “queer coded” moments are just people looking at it with googles on. Like Tim trying to clone Conner after his death but not his dad or Steph. Like he would be able to go dig up graves in Gotham, or then ignoring him saying “he’s lost to many people”.
But he also tried to bring steph and his dad back.
> Like Tim trying to clone Conner after his death
now that literally was queercoded lmao.
Brain and Mallah are DC’s best queer couple and I’ll die on that hill
>Master
So it's like that, huh?
Sure, he still tried bringing all 3 back in the other book, but people ignore that in favor of just this.
People would rather ignore that because two guys being friends is impossible they have to be secretly gay for each other.
Mainly because that issue visually compares Mallah and Tim. It's pretty heavy handed.
I think the accusations that Dixon made Tim seem gay is stupid. But I completely believe writers in the 2000's were hinting at something like it. they basically changed Tim's character anyway
One writer did in his TT run, while other writers had him just as obsessive about his dead gf and dead dad (and remember all 3 of those basically happened in under amonth)
I was there, anon. Tim was way more obsessive about Kon than steph or his dad. I'm more of a Steph fan than a Tim fan, and the Cass book was acknowledging her more frequently than Tim's was. As far as cloning her along Kon, it wasn't even mentioned as a thing until months to a year of it being an ongoing thing with Kon. There's a reason the jokes were cracked.
Because steph's death happened right near his dad's too, and then kon was the last one, the titans book focused on the titans one, leaving stephanie a bit out but she still got the same ressurection thing and her being there whenever tim was sulking about all the people near him dying (never bart, despite him ALSO dying during that time).
Tim’s face after Bruce reveals he “knew” Steph was alive the entire time will be the best.
That tim didnt go insane during this time is just impressive.
It's sort of interesting that Bruce seemed to use Steph as a bargaining chip with Tim. When he was worried he was going to break away from him, he tells Steph her identity and frames it under the idea that now Tim would be able to balance his civilian and hero life better- not thinking Tim would be upset at him making the decision for him.
Then there's using her as robin to make Tim want to come back.
Then having her keep an eye on Tim and try to make him better while he was gone.
With keeping her being alive away from him- it makes me think he was planning on telling him only when he felt he had sunk too deep into depression. Like he'd tell him he suspected something and they could investigate it together to make him feel hope again. But Bludhaven, Nanda Parbat trip, the matter with Damian, all that stuff took priority over it and he didn't realize how desperate Tim was getting.
I don't think any of this was planned(Steph's at the mercy of editors for most of this era) but from what we get it does make it seem like he was using her as collateral.
Wasn’t Damian’s introduction after Steph was revealed to be alive though?
Before. He just went away for a while.
I remember when War Games was for the longest time the most hated Batman crossover...man simpler times.
But you act as if the jokes are an actual thing and not just jokes. People have been making jokes about aquaman fricking fish or batman and robin being gay. Doesnt really mean shit.
>I was there, anon. Tim was way more obsessive about Kon than steph or his dad. I'm more of a Steph fan than a Tim fan,
In TT in his actual Robin run Kon isn't singled out as being a special death.
Meanwhile, 15 year old Superboy was banging Tana Moon and Knockout.
Tim was giving off those queer vibes.
He was trying to bang them, not actually doing so. But those are basically the two ways to write a teenage character, either more thoughtful or just horndog.
The thing is that anyone can be gay, whether they're ultra horny or reject everyone, both can be used as an excuse for "secretly being gay", it's a broad umbrella, and it can apply to literally anyone.
That's what im saying.
Yet people say that he's gay too.
And a troony wants to make him a troony.
Conner has only banged Cassie
Correction: Cassie has only banged Conner.
Conner has banged Knockout, Tana Moon and that chick from the Ravers.
see
Not if i have anything to say about it lol. Come on it was too easy for me not to interject, promise I wont again, its the stepfrens thread.
DAMN!
>15 year old Superboy was banging Tana Moon and Knockout.
It's almost like they're two different characters with two different personalities and circumstances.
Besides he was just macking on them . Kon never officially had sex until Cassie and only because he was going to die. For years people have been acting like Kon was having full hardcore penetrative sex in the pages of Superboy...that wasn't happening.
Again that's just the robin joke they've been making since the 40s
He got offended which funniest part honestly.
She basically called him a homosexual, so...and it IS Harley. Maybe he's also annoyed by her voice.
>jokes started with Dick
>they only became true with Tim
>gets called a homosexual
>is offended
that's a completely normal reaction
they were really desperate to bring back Babs to the point of just drawing Harley as her, huh?
Considering it's Harley, I think they were mocking the very concept of Babs.
Dixon's Tim was driven by an attraction to steph he had to hold back on to not compromise his identity or cheat on his then-current girlfriend.
I still think if Jon Lewis kept writing the book he'd have possibly had it so that Tim and Steph were more intimate. There's a lot of really close moments with them around that time. I think DC was less skittish with having their teen heroes losing it by then. Where as when Dixon was writing DC the YJ books were still aimed at kids too.
You know I never liked how Steph is joined at the hip to the Batman franchise. I feel like she could work as a solo heroine.
>You know I never liked how Steph is joined at the hip to the Batman franchise
Why wouldn't she be? She was solely created to be a supporting cast member to Tim who himself is a supporting cast member to Batman. Not even DC's golden boy Dick can escape the shadow of the Bat franchise; why would one of the far less popular character be able to so?
She was created as the daughter of a D-list Batman rogue. Batman himself is the one who had the most important moments with her in her debut arc, not Tim. She was created for Tec, not the Robin book, so she didn't have to be a Robin character.
Disagree. Helena Bertinelli can be and has been successfully separated from Batman and Gotham. But Steph's personality is supposed to contrast, clash with, and respond to the broodiness and the larger-than-life grandiosity of Batman.
And she's supposed to be an underdog but a lovable one—if you tried to stick Steph on the Titans or JL, then she'd make friends and allies pretty quickly. It's because she's isolated to Gotham and the Batpeople that she has to claw her way up to be accepted among a bunch of stuck-up emo freaks. She's also pretty attached to the urban setting, she needs to fall in dumpsters and ride her little scooter around.
Helena otoh is really abraisive with a massive chip on her shoulder, so it's interesting when she struggles to be a team player with the JL or JSA or Spyral. She also spent most of her childhood in Sicily and then in university, not so much to Gotham. Then later on globetrotting with the BoP. You can easily transplant her mafia backstory to another city other than Gotham.
>I never liked how Steph is joined at the hip to the Batman franchise. I feel like she could work as a solo heroine.
No offense but literally how the frick? She's a generic blonde chick with no powers and no real gimmick. Only thing Steph has got working for her is that she's a Bat character. If she was detached from the Bat franchise she'd disappear off of everyone's radar instantly.
She's the spunky hot blonde daughter of a villain. Becoming Batgirl was her apotheosis, but there's literally nowhere for her to go after that. And while it can work, the major hinderance for Steph-Bats are the major Batgirl enemies: bad writers and lackluster editorial.
>daughter of a villain.
A Batman villain.
Also a JLI one. Not that it was much of an Injustice League.
>I feel like she could work as a solo heroine.
lmao no she couldn't
I would actually agree; I also think Steph would've made a good YA graphic novel protagonist since the angle of a girl who rebels against a supervillain dad seems like an obvious thing to target to teen girls.
That said I do like her as is within Gotham.
That would not be the worst idea with Steph. Do a YA book, or a series, with her, and if it introduces any good characters or material, adapt them for the comics.
It helps that the old Spoiler costume is workable outside of bat-stuff. She's basically a purple ghost.
Play with the contrast of her superhero identity being a creepy little spooky thing and her being a teen girl who uses humor to hide her issues like being from a broken home.
>and her being a teen girl who uses humor to hide her issues like being from a broken home.
Definitely good YA fodder, especially if you throw in two bisexual male models to lust after her.
>especially if you throw in babs amd cass to lust after her.
Ftfy.
If you want to try to avoid the obvious Tim and Jason answers, Anarky as the edgy badboy and Kyle as the sweet wholesome boy from a well-off family.
I was think of using Anarky for Steph in my Robin: Brotherhood tv show concept. How would Tim fare against him?
Anarky is one of Tim's oldest rivals because they're both frickin' dorks.
Really though it almost writes itself. Lonnie is all about revolution and dismantling old structures.
Tim is the son of a well off archaeologist who dresses like a great white hunter stereotype. He used to wear a fricking pith hat.
Did you catch a certain reference on this page? Has to do with the inspiration for Anarky- and also something heavily associated with Cinemaphile back in the day.
And thus begins a rivalry that...really not enough is done with.
Also funny to note- Alan Grant was trying to lead into Anarky becoming robin- only for Tim Drake's creation to catch him by surprise. The idea being that Bruce would try to focus Lonnie's ideals into something productive in a less antagonistic way. In a meta way Tim kept Lonnie from that "redemption"
Maybe they should've brought him back for that ill-fated Tim Drake Robin book.
He wouldn't have saved it from the art or the writing, but it would've been cool to see him again.
Okay, this is absolute gold.
Grant wrote a better Tim than Dixon imo and I like Dixon's take.
Pith helmets are cool. If you're a steampunk.
You just made me remember that they killed Anarky in the black Batman book.
Who’s Kyle?
Also I only know anarchy from the 3D show. Is the character the same in the comics? He looks younger there
Kyle is Maps Mizoguchi's brother who's kind of a normie compared to her.
Anarky in the comics is less mastermind-like than the CGI show version. Basically the show made him like Ledger Joker when his comic self was a teenager with delusions of grandeur.
The only one who understood Anarky was Alan Grant, everyone else writing of him is off, I mean Grant made whole philosophy for the character.
Wait. Isn’t Maps a normie too? Or is she officially robin now? I remember seeing on Cinemaphile Wonder Woman had a daughter, looked 6 years old, who dressed as robin, so that can’t be it… or do you mean normie as in bland? Like barely a character?
The show left me a good impression of anarky, will I like the comics counterpart?
Steph is one of the worst Batman characters. She has nothing going on.
>Steph is one of the worst Batman characters.
This, but Cass.
She's objectively the best Batgirl, by virtue of being the most human and thus the best contrast to the insane superhuman shenanigans of Bruce's inner circle, so however bad she is, Cass and Babs are worse.
That's not a virtue.
counterpoint: I like her, so eat shit.
>go on thread about the character just to shit on a character
Brilliant move. Let's see if it pays off.
Batgirl being that point of contrast isn't really a rule. Maybe that's why people don't like her, too ordinary for it. Regardless they all add something (we can debate those merits but they add something). But we can't talk about a character without putting down others to make our favorite better can we?
She's a glorified love interest, there's barely a point to her now.
>That’s a really /gross/ situation, Moth.
Was that supposed to be a quip?
A quip has to be witty, demi-satan. She's just making an observation.
I'd love to see Punchline turn Steph in to her sex slave
chunky
I definitely prefer this kind of mask for Steph instead of what she's using now.
Too cool. Steph is a goof.
Anybody got a recommended reading list for Steph?
this is old but it's a decent primer.
the quick and easier one would be to read her debut issues, a few key issues like her first few teamups with Tim, their date night issue , the teamup with Huntress and Cass, the Gotham Knights Joker's last laugh crossover. Then her brief Robin run.
Her Batgirl(2009) run is also new reader friendly, mostly.
Her modern reading starts around Batman Eternal and continues into Tynion's detective comic run, then she sort of floats around books until Batgirls.
l am curious if the pregnancy arc ever actually made it into the Nu-52/Rebirth or did it get dropped
It was not mentioned even when Cass and Steph got a flashback of their pre-FP lives.
Why do Terry, Carrie and Steph ends up being the only People who follows Bruce's legacy while his sons leaves him?
Because Carrie and Terry’s universes don’t even have most of the batfamily. I don’t think Steph’s ever been the only one to take up the mantle . What the hell are you even saying or getting this from?
Earth 3 Steph was a hero and ended up being the Batwoman of that timeline, and she ended up being super competent at it.
https://dc.fandom.com/wiki/Stephanie_Brown_(Earth_3)
>the Batwoman of that timeline
Yes but it's Earth 3, so she wasn't following in Bruce's Legacy; that universe's bruce is Thomas Wayne Jr./Owlman. There was no Batman in that Universe and she's just an independant.
Bendis didn't get the concept of Earth 3, huh?
DCAU tim is married to steph so maybe?
Daiman.
Titans Tomorrow Tim even if he's kinda of villain.
Quits being Batman the moment the Beyond Batsuit is made to lead the the Clan.
He's still Batman in that one timeline Morrison created.
I'll never understand capeshit fans obsessions with characters sex lives.
Which Batgirl has the biggest brapper
Babs, because she's the snack queen.