Nobody is going to the theaters anymore because they're so damn expensive and the movies will be on streaming in a few months for a much more affordable price.
I have a different theory. Movies are flopping because modern videogames offer better stimulation: they have the narrative content and you also get to play around inside it.
It’s because games allow you to take your pace in them while movies/shows tend to overstimulate you or provide not enough context for their worlds and characters.
Transformers, Black Adam, Indy 5 and Flash flopped too, and they are known IPs.
I'm increasingly coming around to the post-COVID theater bump just being a temporary thing, because people just wanted to feel normal again. They'll come out for a real, rare spectacle... but Star Wars and superheroes don't cut it anymore. It's gotta be something people know doesn't come around very often, like Avatar 2, or won't come around ever again (Top Gun 2).
It doesn't really help that the theater dynamic is that you pay the same as a whole month of streaming for one ticket and that you pay the same amount again for what are essentially the cheapest foods its possible to make.
I'll see a matinee or something but I'm not really willing to drop that much cash on a movie that I don't think will be abaolute kino.
Honestly this. I went to see Mario with the family because it's been a while but we get there and it's $20 a head, and then $20 for a hotdog. Meanwhile energy prices are up 400% in my area because the energy company is a corporate monopoly, and mortgages are up roughly the same amount because powerful speculators began snatching up real estate in the area recently.
The movies aren't even that good, frankly, and cash will get tighter next month.
That’s hardly true, we had plenty of success’s at the box office this year especially the Super Mario bros movie which ended up becoming one of the biggest animated films of all time(all thanks to his status as a popular video game icon). What I believe is that the regular crowd only realized now is that they just want regular good movies again and not just super heroes and something really unique and exciting. I mean, look at indy 5, its performance is underwhelming because nobody really asked for a 5th installment when it already had a proper conclusion (as early as 1989). Generally speaking I seriously doubt that this is a sign that Hollywood is dying but rather they need to keep up with what audiences really want.
Mario movie is not a good example of people "coming back to the theaters". It's a goddamn spectacle that Mario was even getting a movie at all. The Mario movie got people who hadn't been in a theater for years even decades to go to a theater to watch this movie.
t.Someone who hadn't been in a movie theater since Toy Story 3
No one wants to see a movie where the main guy is this old frick who’s ready to drop anytime. Indy’s an action adventure IP. You can’t do your cool action set pieces when the main actor looks like he belongs in the nursing home. It’s ridiculous, and not in a good way.
There's a difference between a new IP and an old IP with a new coat a paint. Elemental and Teenage Kraken are the latter. There's like 25 movies just like it and people are sick of it.
The look alone tells you almost everything you need to know.
Plus, the synopsis and trailer. The trailer even shows so much it's literally spoiling shit.
Puss in Boots took 484 million on a 100 million budget, which even allowing for the extra 2.5x cost is still a full 200m in profit. Not record breaking but still something to be proud of
Encanto did just fine. Lightyear was established and they fricked it up. Wreck it Ralph 2 was one of the worst movies ever made, and it was "LOOK AT HOW MANY IPs WE CAN CRAM IN HERE!"
We've just had a string of really shitty animated movies.
Nimona seems to do decently. A bunch of anime are also doing very well, Suzume being the latest case. It has nothing to do with the IPs but with Dreamworks/Pixar always make the same soulless crap with the same messages, characters and emoji faces.
I love Transformers for example but couldn't watch more than the first hour of the new TF movie or the TF movies before that. It's just such a fricking generic shit and the funny one-liners are always the same, the characters and plot are always the same and the CGI is shit and none of the designs or characters likeable because they are always the exact same templates.
Besides that I also hate cinema and only go for niche movies that I want to support (if they even air there). The commute sucks, the dark rooms suck, the stench of popcorn suck, the other people suck and I even have to pay like 15 EUR for all that crap when I could actually put my legs onto my table and eat a good steak in a comfy room and enjoy a movie by myself.
Cinemas are scam.
Cultural shift, accelerated by the lockdowns. Meanwhile, video games have overtaken even film itself as the largest form of entertainment. In order for these studios to profit going forward, they have to shift towards video games.
Disney/Pixar has to shift to gaming to survive, they've made inroads every decade but abandoned it but they can't now they are making small strides but they likely need a big studio purchase to compete which they can't afford in the slightest right now after that Fox purchase
Nintendo’s got the head start at that. Especially with the establishment of their new studio, Nintendo Pictures. Film, games and theme parks, they got it all. Nintendo’ll be rebranding itself from a video game company to an entertainment company.
Nintendo's issue is going to be adapting characters meant for games - namely dialogueless and at time personality-less characters - into full scale media characters. It's not as easy as going from film to games/comics/anything like Disney's main group does
Look at Mario - already they had to play with the voices being entirely different and people were annoyed but only got away with it at the box office because of brand goodwill and that it was the first Mario film in ages. That isn't going to last for eternity
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Link talks all the time outside the games. The many manga based on the IP have him speaking and are beloved to this day. It’s about using your imagination to create something that actually works and is able to appeal to as many people worldwide. Link’s also canonically not mute, but a man of few words. Also, Samus spoke in Dread so she isn’t mute either. Nintendo properties are versatile enough to be able to attribute a feature length story to it and have it actually work. To think it wouldn’t only shows one’s lack of imagination.
Disney/Pixar has to shift to gaming to survive, they've made inroads every decade but abandoned it but they can't now they are making small strides but they likely need a big studio purchase to compete which they can't afford in the slightest right now after that Fox purchase
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Disney cannot do gaming and the reason they’re failing isn’t games but because they have bad films. Make good films with a good budget, it’s not fricking hard. And for your information, tons of game companies are making flops and are unable to recoup
Lol. Did you guys know that Steel Wool Studios is comprised of Pixar talents? They’ve got their hands tight on the FNAF pie while Disney would scramble because Sony kept the Spider-Man Movie rights and the game rights.
I wonder if Pixar might shift to video games if their movies keep flopping.
What will be their Pixar version of Twisted Wonderland?
Disney/Pixar has to shift to gaming to survive, they've made inroads every decade but abandoned it but they can't now they are making small strides but they likely need a big studio purchase to compete which they can't afford in the slightest right now after that Fox purchase
Disney cannot do gaming and the reason they’re failing isn’t games but because they have bad films. Make good films with a good budget, it’s not fricking hard. And for your information, tons of game companies are making flops and are unable to recoup
The modern video game world is essentially an extension of the social media beast that's completely dominated pop culture for over a decade. With the advent of online multiplayer and streaming, video games have gone from something you either enjoyed on your own or with family and (real) friends to something that connects thousands, even millions of strangers to each other at a time. No other medium has the same blend of interactivity, immersion, and socialization. Hollywood is in a horrible place right now, but so is the video game industry. Comparing the two based on profit and influence is pointless, because video games are always going to win. That doesn't change the fact that films still offer an experience that even the most shameless of movie games can't. No one has turned their back to the concept of movies. No has ever said with any sincerity, "You know what? Movies are obsolete. We have video games now." People still want to watch movies--good movies. That demand is always going to exist.
People want the familiar stuff true but new IPs haven't been really standout nor have they gotten particularly good marketing as of late
Even then
Transformers, Black Adam, Indy 5 and Flash flopped too, and they are known IPs.
is right too because being an adaptation or remake or part of a "cinematic universe" isn't a guarantee either, think things depend a lot more heavily on viral marketing and actually being a somewhat unique experience worth coming out to the theater for
movies in general are flopping
New IPs are made by people who's only life experience is watching other pop culture growing up, so nothing truly interesting is created.
Old IPs only appeal to rapidly aging and disinterested millennials and boomers who are sick of every change being made.
Really young people are far more entertained by short, 10-15 second clips of people shouting at the screen or by day long streams of their favourite parasitic relationship with a surrogate friend.
And this is all the proof I need that Cinemaphile users are the most gullible users on this site(well maybe except /misc/). Cinemaphile is always wrong
No. They’re flopping because they’re made by people with ridiculously privileged life experiences, have no interest on the reality or functionality of the OG shows they’re inspired from, and they don’t do fricking good research into their material before applying them or twisting them.
Everyone has a boring Hitler for a reason. They’re basing it all on pure fiction with no sense of faith or respectability to dare bother going beyond their propaganda schools. They can’t write Dystopias because they don’t realize they’re living in one or contributing to the simulation. They can’t write moral characters because they have no faith in God.
Kinda. What you're dealing with currently is every major studio wants blockbuster profits, but don't want to put in the work or risk to actually give audiences something interesting. To me, this Teenage Krakan movie didn't do anything that a Disney Pixar movie hasn't done before. Brain dead morons will say it's cuz of "woke shit" but a majority of people aren't bigoted or brain diseased. Most of this shit is just uninteresting, doing nothing new.
If studios want people to see their movies, they need to stop expecting movies to do well just because they play it safe. They need writers and directors who are willing to try new things the get people interested.
>Brain dead morons will say it's cuz of "woke shit" but a majority of people aren't bigoted or brain diseased.
Why do you need to go out of your way to defend corporations doing political propaganda? You are as moronic as the journalists saying that Egypt is racist for suing that Cleopatra documentary
Yeah one of the most successful anime right now literally has the two lesbian MCs marrying at the end. The problem is that the trailers just ooze boredom. Most animated cinema movies remind me of those dumb safe stories that are used in the first school year to teach kids how to read and understand texts. The content of those stories is always flat simple morals at best and no actual conflict because they aren't made for entertainment they are made to be a very easy to read text to show kids how that works.
It's the same with those movies. It's like they weren't meant to be entertaining.
>a majority of people aren't bigoted or brain diseased
And that's why they are tired of Hollywood telling them they are if they don't watch the new movie
Yeah, let's be real here more often than not these movies are mediocre if not outright bad but that gets deflected by "you just don't like it cause you're a bigot!!" like that's gonna put more people in theater seats, it's usually just done and advertised because it's marketing and gets people to actually notice whatever it is you're making and blaming your abject failure on anything that isn't you is just a bonus
>new IP >Lightyear >Flash >Black Adam >Shazam 2 >Antman 3 >Indiana Jones 5
Movies are just doing poorly in general, aside from a few stand-out exceptions. People are just sick of shit. They've seen these companies shit out garbage film after garbage film for a decade now and they've had enough.
God, this.
It's like soulless companies forget that people don't watch 30 movies a week. Even the cinema gays I know go to cinema maybe once a month. And when they do they check the movies and pick up what sounds actually intriguing.
I think the formula is easy, but the execution is more complicated. Still, I really don’t understand how some movies can let their budget be so big and make costs get so out of hand.
"While the movie managed to gross only an underwhelming $144 million domestically — it won't be able to hit $150 million by the end of its run — it made up for it in international markets, where it has generated a little under $560 million. The film's running global haul currently stands at $703 million."
Cinema is dying. Not even joking. The industry grew too rapidly in the 2000’s and 10’s and now finally that bubble is popping. People would rather stay home and play video games than watch some reskinned movie at a dirty theater that they’ve seen a hundred times before. The lockdown definitely did not help either.
Rather than Cinemas dying, they are evolving right in front of us. Redesigned like the Movies are. The iPhones became the Cinema. The portable manga without losing any of the advantages of televised anime.
Elemental did the opposite though. They sold the movie as a romcom only for the movie to focus mainly on the main character's self-doubt and her family's pressure. The main leads don't hit it off until the first 25-30 minutes. They could have promoted the movie as an adventure family flick instead of a romantic movie and it probably would have sold better. People got put off the "opposites attract" marketing.
Are you asking about animation or cinema in general? Everything Everywhere All At Once did really well back in 2021. For animation it would probably be Encanto. That did come out in Theaters, right?
Established franchises should stop shitting on their existing fans and the new kid IPs should reconsider shoehorning LGBT shit into literally every single movie made now.
Avatar 2 wasn't shit. Don't get me wrong it was in no way a cinematic tour de force, but it was leagues better than literally everything else Disney has put out in the last decade.
>This had the budget of $70 million
Imagine making an extremely successful film like Puss in Boots and pissing away a good chunk of it's earnings on this movie.
The term "go woke, go broke" is stupid because it doesn't really account for things that would have made more money if they weren't woke, Spiderverse and the Live Action Little Mermaid made money but would have made more with a non Black lead.
the pretty white red-haired girl is nonredeemable evil
the protagonists friends are cutouts from a woke-caricature coloringbook
all the important and powerful people are women and the guys are shifted to comic relief
and the black guy IS the boyfriend
when people said it was "not woke" they only knew about the mermaid looking like Ariel and nothing else
Enough substance for you? Or do you want to create one or two more strawmen?
People are poorer, streaming is now widespread beyond a single social class, and the cinema itself has had a bad reputation that never went away.
Parents don't need to go see something like this to entertain their children when their are other options.
No they aren't. Unemployment is down, real wages (adjusted for inflation) are up. Savings were at their highest during the pandemic period when no one was watching movies. Going to the movies is more affordable today than it's ever been, barring moviepass-tier hacks. The alternatives have just gotten more attractive
>Savings were at their highest during the pandemic period when no one was watching movies.
Savings which value was rededuced by high inflation, making people poorer?
Dude I and a lot of others bootleg their movies. I hope the writers strike never ends or they get replaced by chatgpt and actors get replaced by deepfakes. The sooner Hollywood loses its status and pedigree, the better.
>Ai won’t replace writers
Lmao the cope. AI will replace all you worthless creatives artists and writers alike. Try getting an actual job now.
>AI will replace all you worthless creatives artists and writers alike.
I'll bite this one. See I'm in a strange position about this but when I see people gloat that AI will replace everything - which will inevitably happen - I don't understand the point of view of whether you believe that things will get better or not. Do you really things will get better when AI will take over? It definitely will, and my strange position here is that I believe it's what the public deserves, because the public is a bunch of soulless cattle, but my perspective in this is that I'm wishing an apocalypse on the public because I hate them. You people seem to think AI will give us a new golden age, or maybe an improvement of some kind because the current generation of makers is so shitty you can't imagine things getting worse. Things can definitely get a lot worse. Do you understand how AI works? It's gonna be the equivalent of low budget isekai moeshit anime over and over except the waifu's hair color is sourced through user statistics based on how many times you coomed to what hair color the most. I don't understand if you enjoy this idea or if you're deluded that AI will create human culture, or maybe you're just trolling, but holy frick I know for sure there are people who think AI will re-enable creativity and freedom.
I would say something about humanity having lost its spirit but sadly humans seem to be only marginally different than bots at this point and the learned helplessness of this generation makes me wish for WW3. Zoomers are making me think that we're really approaching the end.
At this point, I don't really care. Their is really very little I look forward to now. Comics are shit, movies are shit, shows are shit, the political environment and socio-economic pricing is shit. At many times during the day, I just Putin to stop blue balling us an just say frick it, and nuke us all. Frick everything.
It's all so close to not being shit. The Internet is still there. If people had the slightest will to create an environment, it would happen. I never understood how it's possible that niche but well-made projects die so easily when there are literal billions of people on the Internet, surely someone willing to support that venue would exist. In the past if you had a shoppe, how many customers would you need to make ends meet? How many people did you even have available? And now we have a global market for things and nothing happens. And you know why? It's not because people are broke, this problem with people is much bigger and comes earlier than money. It's because they're lazy and indolent. They're so lazy they will just sit on their big social media's feed and wait what the system suggests, what is trending, what other people talk about. This is why I hate the public. I've always been proactive in searching for things I liked. I always tried new things, new places, attempted to start new communities. Nothing ever fricking happens because people just wanna flock like lemmings to the big thing and then they just sit on their ass and soak up shit with their mouths agape, that's why the fricking soilets do that, they're like baby chicks waiting for some hook-billed vulture to regurgigate some shit into their throat. Zoomers aren't just not human, they're not even mammals, they're fricking sea sponges or carnivorous plants. They only become fricking animate when they're looking for porn, then they activate their fricking brains for those 15 minutes and manage to actively do something themselves. It would be so fricking easy to have good things, it's like a starving man who's got a beautiful field full of trees bearing delicious fruit but he's too fricking lazy to pick one up and eat. He needs the fricking thing to drop into his mouth, so he sits down with his mouth open and fricking starves to death before a fricking apple falls into his stupid maw.
The problem is people have been atomized and silo'd into our own little bubbles, so people just don't become aware of shit that might interest them, and God knows search engines aren't any help.
11 months ago
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People on here really make their inability to find literally anything of interest to them, new or otherwise into the reason they write out their manifesto, it’s genuinely sad. Funny, but sad. You’re right about search engines going to shit though.
At this point, I don't really care. Their is really very little I look forward to now. Comics are shit, movies are shit, shows are shit, the political environment and socio-economic pricing is shit. At many times during the day, I just Putin to stop blue balling us an just say frick it, and nuke us all. Frick everything.
It's all so close to not being shit. The Internet is still there. If people had the slightest will to create an environment, it would happen. I never understood how it's possible that niche but well-made projects die so easily when there are literal billions of people on the Internet, surely someone willing to support that venue would exist. In the past if you had a shoppe, how many customers would you need to make ends meet? How many people did you even have available? And now we have a global market for things and nothing happens. And you know why? It's not because people are broke, this problem with people is much bigger and comes earlier than money. It's because they're lazy and indolent. They're so lazy they will just sit on their big social media's feed and wait what the system suggests, what is trending, what other people talk about. This is why I hate the public. I've always been proactive in searching for things I liked. I always tried new things, new places, attempted to start new communities. Nothing ever fricking happens because people just wanna flock like lemmings to the big thing and then they just sit on their ass and soak up shit with their mouths agape, that's why the fricking soilets do that, they're like baby chicks waiting for some hook-billed vulture to regurgigate some shit into their throat. Zoomers aren't just not human, they're not even mammals, they're fricking sea sponges or carnivorous plants. They only become fricking animate when they're looking for porn, then they activate their fricking brains for those 15 minutes and manage to actively do something themselves. It would be so fricking easy to have good things, it's like a starving man who's got a beautiful field full of trees bearing delicious fruit but he's too fricking lazy to pick one up and eat. He needs the fricking thing to drop into his mouth, so he sits down with his mouth open and fricking starves to death before a fricking apple falls into his stupid maw.
WOW! You people give up so easily, a boring uninspired animated movie made for kids bombed at the box office so fricking what it’s not the end of the world. Hey, instead of mopping on glorified suicide, why not instead BE the change you want to make. The indie comic scene (aka not capeshit comics) and indie animation scene is really booming and have gained new followings. Why not give it a shot yourselves and never give up https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=KxGRhd_iWuE
>why not instead BE the change you want to make.
Have you read my post? >The indie comic scene (aka not capeshit comics) and indie animation scene is really booming and have gained new followings.
Tell me good shit that doesn't run on coom and isn't woke garbage. There's nothing I want more than being proven wrong.
I know this is from CBR and not exactly everything is in your taste but here are some examples https://www.cbr.com/best-current-indie-comics/ some cape stuff too but not marvel or dc.
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There's nothing fricking "indie" about this, it's all industry veterans like Mike Mignola, Jeff Lemire, there's fricking Spawn listed in it FFS. The only new names are - no surprise - making brave and powerful queer shit.
It's fricking nothing as always.
11 months ago
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Then just try to find shit and stop begging for suicide. OR I have another alternative suggestion if you really have truly given on in any form of media which I seriously doubt but if soFind a hobby
11 months ago
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>Then just try to find shit
All the comics I followed are gone or dead, and my favorite artists have disappeared or turned to coomshit.
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WOW! You people give up so easily, a boring uninspired animated movie made for kids bombed at the box office so fricking what it’s not the end of the world. Hey, instead of mopping on glorified suicide, why not instead BE the change you want to make. The indie comic scene (aka not capeshit comics) and indie animation scene is really booming and have gained new followings. Why not give it a shot yourselves and never give up https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=KxGRhd_iWuE
At this point, I don't really care. Their is really very little I look forward to now. Comics are shit, movies are shit, shows are shit, the political environment and socio-economic pricing is shit. At many times during the day, I just Putin to stop blue balling us an just say frick it, and nuke us all. Frick everything.
Personally, I would likely abuse AI and rise to the top because I know what I want from my projects. Most writers and artists literally don’t know the first thing about storytelling or dragging a narrative with character motivations/personality.
The reason why everything is a mess is because of the huge focuses on commercialization and ESG rather than making a good and guaranteed product that will generate profit.
The only game I’m looking forward to is Deltarune because the israelite behind it actually focuses on making a good-and-simple rpg with great characters and distinctively simple gameplay instead of depending on high-budgets animation styles with these huge ass teams. All of which don’t really add anything to the story or its gameplay.
Imagine if fighting games actually embrace simple combos in favor of making movement and moves more extreme and distinctive than fricking Street Fighter. Imagine if more animated series functioned and we’re written around 12 episodes or 24 episodes in total for a cohesive and focused narrative. Thirty minute animated films. Maybe if the scaling in the projects were more reasonable and knew their boundaries, we would have a stronger media space. Instead, everyone depends on the most moronic “solutions” that hardly address the incompleted narratives, annoying QTE “skill test” bullshit, half-assed “big narratives”, or grasping for BlackRock money.
>Do you understand how AI works? It's gonna be the equivalent of low budget isekai moeshit anime over and over except the waifu's hair color is sourced through user statistics based on how many times you coomed to what hair color the most.
This Isekai shit is why I stopped watching animu since mid 2016.
I've never been happier.
Streaming itself is bad for business. It isn’t profitable. The money spent in maintaining the servers and the production of original content far outweighs any returns they receive from subscriptions. It isn’t sustainable.
No, what they did was roll out a cheaper subscription that included ads last fall. I haven't seen anything about how successful it's been, but regular subscribers aren't affected
Yeah, but do you think people who watched TV before 2010 wanted ad breaks? No, they put up with them because that's how the networks made revenue. Do you remember how much fewer ads there were all over the internet fifteen years ago. It sucks, but people put up with it. If TV services need (or believe they need) to bring back ads in order to stay in the black, they will do it, and audiences will have to learn to live with it.
>Do you remember how much fewer ads there were all over the internet fifteen years ago.
15 years ago is literally the last time I have even seen ads on the internet.
11 months ago
Anonymous
This may shock you but most people don't use ad blocker because most people browse on their phones now and/or they are too dumb to use adblock
11 months ago
Anonymous
Yeah but I think this the best option.
Everybody is free to avoid ads if they want or have a brain while the majority still watches them and therefore supports the websites we all use. They will make money and add more movie content, we won't see ads. Sounds perfect to me.
11 months ago
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>Dude, just use Firefox with Ublock >Noo noo this is weird stuff, nooo nooo >I can do it for you, you'll never see ads >noooo nooo *chimp noises*
doesn't matter anyway since now they only use apps. I don't think anybody still uses a browser and if installing a fricking add-on on a browser was so hard I'm not even gonna try talking about netguard
In case you haven't noticed, people are willing to pay to avoid ads. >Do you remember how much fewer ads there were all over the internet fifteen years ago
That particular problem is a self feeding cycle. People get annoyed with ads and/or sysadmins are concerned about ads being an attack vector, and implement ad and script blockers. Websites responds by placing more ads to be viewed by those who don't block them; more people get annoyed, and the cycle repeats.
moron take tbqh. Are you gonna tell me people get book fatigue and music fatigue next? Films are one of the newest mediums and there's still a lot of unbroken ground.
I fricking hate this pretentious little homosexual, "I r-read stuff and see t-things" like holy fricking shit, if you think cinema is going downhill then why doesn't this homosexual stand up against the producer and directors that cause these fricking problems he sees, oh wait, he's a old union hating homosexual and that'll be too much for him, go frick himself!
>Are you gonna tell me people get book fatigue
Seeing that the average number of books read yearly has consistently dropped over the last 100 years of common literacy, yes.
You know what I think this movie is? I think it was meant to be one of those "twin movies" like Armageddon/deep impact or Bug's life/Antz. But for the Pixar movie Luca, but it either got scrapped/ got in development hell and they decided to re-realease it now because of the little mermaids because there where mermaids in the plot.
At a glance, the plot to both films appears to be, "Profoundly stupid and dysfunctional quirky sea creatures avoid the sea and everything interesting about the sea so that they can badly blend in with the film's terrestrial, pre-teen target demo for an hour."
Luca had good humans in it and a reason to care.
The mermaid movie had no good plots or relationships that made use of the human and kraken relationships.
Ruby Gillman was supposed to be directed by Paul Tibbitt (SpongeBob S4-S9a show runner) and called Meet the Gillmans. From what we know of this version, it probably didn't have the whole "superhero kraken princess" and "save the world from the evil mermaids" stuff about it, focusing instead on the slice of life antics of the Gillman family who try and ultimately fail to hide the secret that they are sea monsters from the surface world. Chelsea was in it based on concept art but she looked to may had been more of an open alpha b***h and we aren't sure if the "all mermaids really are evil" and "Chelsea is actually the evil adult queen" twists were in place.
Based on what we can infer of this earlier version, I feel some people at DreamWorks felt that the Gillman movie, in its more slice of life form, would've been immediately targeted for being what seemed to be a blatant pastiche of Luca, leading to the late rewrite into an action comedy of sorts. I believe that sometime during the process of Meet the Gillmans becoming Ruby Gillman then, Tibbitt either left or was fired due to not wanting such a dramatic change to his vision of the movie.
If Ruby got overhauled due to Luca, it wouldn't be the first time that a DreamWorks movie went through a dramatic change in premise due to a film from a rival animation studio. One of the scrapped scripts for Peabody and Sherman was about a villain who had the goal of stealing the seven wonders of the world. The crew had just finished the script and were about to turn it in before completely scrapping it after seeing the trailer to the first Despicable Me.
>The first trailer was literally the entire plot of the movie summed up in 2 minutes >Chelsea was always gonna be the straight up twist villain with no redemption at the end and we coped HARD >Picrel is essentially her version of the Hans Smile >To add salt to the wound she’s actually an adult, retroactively making all the shipping fanart with Ruby worse in hindsight
And this is after Dreamworks released The Last Wish which was one of the best movies of last year. How did we go from that masterpiece to this wasted potential?
>How did we go from that masterpiece to this wasted potential?
Typical DreamWorks fashion, when makes a one good movie, then it's followed inmediatly by 2 or 3 turds.
>>To add salt to the wound she’s actually an adult, retroactively making all the shipping fanart with Ruby worse in hindsight
HA HA HA What? Oh frick, I wonder if anyone actually deleted their art because of that?
>To add salt to the wound she’s actually an adult, retroactively making all the shipping fanart with Ruby worse in hindsight
Sounds great to me tbh, I hated that shit because Ruby is fricking ugly.
Buf fricking seriously, lack of advertising aside, it doesn't LOOK like a Dreamworks movie. It looks like some third party foreign garbage. Anyone who thought this movie was going to do good was fricking delusional
Movies aren't fricking dead, Mario did fantastically, Suzume was a huge fricking success, Spiderverse was a huge fricking success and none of these movies even set new standards or are actually mind blowing, they are just decent or good and yet people are ready to enjoy that ride and spend money on them but not shit like Elementals or Kraken.
Movies aren't dead, people are just tired of absolute bottom of the barrel crap.
Didn't like Mario either but it was a success so it's certainly not people being tired of movies on principle.
I just hope they won't pander harder to gamers, I am a game gay myself but I prefer stories of games to stay there, they are never good enough for actual movies IMO.
Movies are dead. The only movies in the public conscious are ones we're actively shitting on. We used to love them, they were cultural events... now? Not so much. A movie would impact the culture in a broader sense.. things would be quoted from movies by people who haven't seen them with actual fondness, and not just for the purposes of mockery as is the trend today. We no longer have that, at all. So yes, movies are dead. Soulless, low-risk corporate generic in their forced multi-cultural nature, only tolerable by people sharing the same traits.
Videogames have ballooned in popularity and streaming too. COVID just sealed the deal on theaters and people won't get up off their couch for anything less than the fricking super mario movie. It's over.
The one fricking time that woke Hollywood would have benefited from making a cute lesbian gay romance between squid and mermaid, and they dont do it, opting for a fricking boring ass standard animated kids story plot. The one fricking time. All these western animated films do nowadays is focus not on story but on how fricking inclusive they are and how they are including POCs and members of the LBGT community and all this shit, and the one time that I would be totally okay with seeing homosexual yuri they dont do it.
>Elemental gets a $29.6 million opening week >RGTK gets a $6 million opening week
Is it just me, or are nintendies and capeshitters bulk buying movie tickets for Mario and Spidey respectively? Either that, or normalgays have been priced out of movie theaters.
Mario and Spider-Man are safe bets. Elemental and Ruby are too new and on top of that have bad marketing. Plus WoM is better for the former than the latter.
Story was shit, twists were spoiled, art style was largely ugly, and the vastly superior Nimona came out the same day (and you could stay at home to watch that).
I feel bad for the people who watched Meet The Gillmans get origami-twisted into this shite.
>people hate redheads
Cinemaphile tells me otherwise. Little girls are also manic for True Ariel.
The British Broadcasting Corperation is loathed by all Americans, especially little girls. What were they thinking?
> The British Broadcasting Corperation is loathed by all Americans, especially little girls. What were they thinking?
It gets worse when you realize that likable black characters get fricked and forced into interracial relationships. Miles would literally do better with a cute black girl than getting his sick shoved into Gwen.
>ITT Cinemaphile goes full doompost central because a mediocre animated kids film didn’t do so well that should’ve been DTV instead
So you’re telling me this of all things broke the straw on the camels back on Cinemaphile‘s faith in animated films? I’m now see people claim the Mario movie isn’t enough for them despite it being everything they wanted. You’re all just spoiled
How much did it cost?
I think the issue is that everything costs too fricking much. Even movies that look like absolute garbage and have the most generic shit writing possible somehow cost like half of a fricking billion. I don't know why these idiots have lost the ability to produce anything that doesn't cost gorillions. They need to stop trying to win the whole fricking world over and focus on more niche, well-written, interesting stories that might not make a billion on the first day but that doesn't matter. If a movie doesn't much it's easy to make ten times the money with it as long as it isn't generic mass-produced shit.
I just don't go to cinemas anymore in general. If you want me to watch something then stream it somewhere. Besides that cinema movies are so full of crap of which the only trait is literally to appeal to the lowest common denominator while trying to not piss anybody off. This isn't a story, this an advertisement. Stories are the thoughts of people. People, not multi billion dollar companies.
Also a big issue are surprises. I actually want to be surprised when I watch something. And to see something I haven't seen yet, at least not like that. Preferably not the umpteenth sequel of something I've already dropped a decade ago either.
Movies at the end of the day, are products. And products need to sell. The companies who produce these films aren’t pro-Bono. They and every other business in the world want to make money.
Yeah and it obviously doesn't work. With things being global now you can reach everybody. Make a movie that attracts niche audiences and you might still get millions of people from every kind of country watching it because it's something they are into. These dreamwerks movies are so damn shallow and inoffensive that they aren't for anybody.
It's like having a buffet in front of you and you are allowed to choose one or two. There are all kids of dishes and dreamworks's product is a simple bread, basically a literal nothingburger, since "everybody eats bread, right"?
The result is that nobody picks the fricking bread up. Sushi might be less mainstream than a schnitzel but 10% of the guests being sushi gays is enough to make them eat up all the sushi. Even if you are into generic dishes you pick the spare ribs or the spaghetti with garlic. Nobody picks the bare bread even though bread might technically the food related product that is most commonly eaten.
I always hated these movies. No idea about the story I just see the promotional art and know it's shallow shit.
Maybe people don't watch it because they assume it's shallow shit?
I think you guys are looking at this from the wrong angle. You ask "why people aren't watching movies?" as if it was a routine that only stops if something bad happens
I think the simple answer is that Theaters as they were are done for. No one wants to spend 10$ on popcorn when they could stream a movie at home for much less. Theaters really need to lower the prices if they want to stick around.
I never understood why it was popular in the first place. Personally I always found the huge screen rather tedious than a positive experience and everything else about the cinema is principally worse than your comfy room at home where you can do what you want, eat what you want and watch at your own pace and maybe stop the movie for a moment if you have to do something else or replay certain scenes and all that.
Even the big-screen gays have their huge flat TVs or beamers nowadays, so there is absolutely no reason to go into the cinema besides the sheer will to support a certain movie.
>everything else about the cinema is principally worse than your comfy room at home where you can do what you want, eat what you want and watch at your own pace and maybe stop the movie for a moment if you have to do something else or replay certain scenes and all that.
Whenever I went to cinema with my ex gf we never did anything but watch the movie, not even a kiss during the movie.
Whenever I watched a movie with her on my house, we always end up having sex.
She starts sucking my dick and the popcorn is cheap.
Why bother seeing shit in theaters unless you absolutely NEED the "experience," just watch the inevitable camrip because you know damn well there's gonna be an HD version out in like a month or two and you can just rewatch it in better quality then
It's a mixture of underwhelming boring sounding movies and the fact that everything and everyone is jacking up prices. It's not muh culture wars it whatever the frick, it's just that people can't afford to waste money on mid tier shit they're only sorta interested in and know will come to streaming anyways.
Streaming may seem well and good for the consumer, but for the producer, it's shit. You can't make money off of streaming. The costs of those servers and production of original content far outweighs any "returns" from subscriptions. They're spending way more money than they're able to make. It isn't a sustainable model and needs to be replaced with something that is sustainable.
Yeah but customers don't care. We can watch things at home, why should anybody move? If movies don't come to me at home anymore I will just pirate them when I can and a lot of others do the same. I am still more of a movie gay than most others I know. Most barely care, certainly don't care enough to go to a cinema and pay for it. Today there are so many ways of entertaining yourself that a movie has to do something mindblowing to make people pay for them.
Had services like Vudu and iTunes/Play Store became the default method of watching film and tv online, then these companies wouldn't be having these issues. The rent/buy model will always trump the subscription model every time. They could’ve licensed out their old content to platforms like Netflix while debuting new content on the rent/buy services.
I think it has some advantages. Like me explicitly only supporting what I like and not supporting the streaming service/channel as a whole. A series profits way more from being paid for (even if it's just two dollars) than being clicked once.
The disadvantage is that people won't randomly try things anymore, so niche and indie content might get ignored since you have to pay for every single movie or series.
Maybe allowing everybody to watch the beginning would be a good solution. Watching the first 20 minutes of a movie or the first episode of a series? That way you can try everything but then pay for the good shit. Like demos for games.
Yeah but customers don't care. We can watch things at home, why should anybody move? If movies don't come to me at home anymore I will just pirate them when I can and a lot of others do the same. I am still more of a movie gay than most others I know. Most barely care, certainly don't care enough to go to a cinema and pay for it. Today there are so many ways of entertaining yourself that a movie has to do something mindblowing to make people pay for them.
Movies and shows cost so much since the start. They weren’t ever reasonably profitable without tons of manipulation and push behind it. Books and comics are often overlooked regardless of how cheap they are to produce and the significance of its icons, such as Harry Potter, Lord of Rings, and Spiderman. So then forth, cheaply making games becomes the mainstream priority for most young creators and they are able to tell big and effective stories within them at a nearly guaranteed profit. You can tell almost every side story into the game as a side quest, so you don’t have to balance them and the main storyline at the same time.
The bullet points of the side quests and the main storyline are almost completely separated, without regarding when you can access the sidequest or progress further into it.
>DUUUR why is Flash/Elementals/Ruby Gillman flopping????
Because they released when Spiderverse was still in theatre and these share 90% of their audience.
That's literally it.
Why are people even asking?
They shouldn't have made Chelsea completely evil and an adult then
She had so much potential for the story and themes had they just let her be ultimately a good person instead of simply being a lame twist villain
he doesn't say they should completely replace this character you dishonest ass, but that they should merely change her motivation and one or two dialogue scenes to what was hinted at in the middle of the movie instead of doing a lame twist where it is revealed that she was just lying the entire time, even when Ruby wasn't looking and she didn't even knew Ruby existed.
I wish the mods would filter the word "PLAP" as "DEVELOPERS"
I even sent a feature suggestion about it.
Imagine how funny it would be whenever someone posts a girl and someone goes PLAP PLAP PLAP PLAP GET PREGNANT
It would be amazing
The amazing part is that it took them 3 days top ot completely lose it and censor it. Meanwhile even Nwords are still acceptable there in small doses. But Asian beans? Nope. worse than Hitler. Literally.
People quoting that whole "video games are twice a big of a revenue industry as movies" shit are ignoring that that's lumping in the oroboros of ad-recycling mobile games, facebook games, GaaS shit, and traditional games in the same basket, while only looking at revenue and not profit, despite the fact that 90% of mobile game revenue feeds into advertising contracts with other mobile games..
Cinema was dying before the 2-3 year period, hence why they tried to milk the MCU shit so much as it was literally the only profitable thing "saving the industry"
Chelsea's an adult right? At least the trailers didn't spoil that one. Why on earth didn't they make them similar in age, then at least a school rivalry would've made sense within the film before the whole K v M debacle was revealed.
Good. They had a decent script in the early versions, rewrote it to chase after Superheroslop, then turned it into something bad (with a good movie still very possible with some basic rewrites). Meanwhile the art direction went so deep in the toilet there are only maybe 2 good looking characters in the whole movie (and one of them is just 'salright).
This deserves to burn. The only tragedy is that the ones most responsible for this wienerup will walk away fine.
>AHHHH IM HAVING A PANIC ATTACK
>I'M GOING TO INK!!!
Basically my girlfriend every time she has to do her taxes.
>INKUUUUUUUUUU!!!
Ruby... my beloved...
it is me or every movie that is a new IP is flopping?
Transformers, Black Adam, Indy 5 and Flash flopped too, and they are known IPs.
old IPs can flop or not, check spiderverse or puss in boots. But new ones seem like they are destined to fail
Transformers is actually holding strong, and Indy had a very good opening. The rest did flop though.
>and Indy had a very good opening
Why would you lie like that?
>Black Adam
>known IP
Unless you mean DC itself, or The Rock.
Nobody is going to the theaters anymore because they're so damn expensive and the movies will be on streaming in a few months for a much more affordable price.
this, its just too expensive and the economy is failing because of the people in power.
Oh dear this thread is about to go into you know what territory once again
Yep here it is
You can thank Biden for ruining the economy, hopefully the leaked messages of his son helping him do illegal deals with China end up somewhere
I have a different theory. Movies are flopping because modern videogames offer better stimulation: they have the narrative content and you also get to play around inside it.
It’s because games allow you to take your pace in them while movies/shows tend to overstimulate you or provide not enough context for their worlds and characters.
In Poland they are still well priced at 6-8 dollars.
I'm increasingly coming around to the post-COVID theater bump just being a temporary thing, because people just wanted to feel normal again. They'll come out for a real, rare spectacle... but Star Wars and superheroes don't cut it anymore. It's gotta be something people know doesn't come around very often, like Avatar 2, or won't come around ever again (Top Gun 2).
It doesn't really help that the theater dynamic is that you pay the same as a whole month of streaming for one ticket and that you pay the same amount again for what are essentially the cheapest foods its possible to make.
I'll see a matinee or something but I'm not really willing to drop that much cash on a movie that I don't think will be abaolute kino.
Honestly this. I went to see Mario with the family because it's been a while but we get there and it's $20 a head, and then $20 for a hotdog. Meanwhile energy prices are up 400% in my area because the energy company is a corporate monopoly, and mortgages are up roughly the same amount because powerful speculators began snatching up real estate in the area recently.
The movies aren't even that good, frankly, and cash will get tighter next month.
At my local theater tickets are $7 evening and $5 matinee
Why are you eating a movie theater hot dog you mark?
That’s hardly true, we had plenty of success’s at the box office this year especially the Super Mario bros movie which ended up becoming one of the biggest animated films of all time(all thanks to his status as a popular video game icon). What I believe is that the regular crowd only realized now is that they just want regular good movies again and not just super heroes and something really unique and exciting. I mean, look at indy 5, its performance is underwhelming because nobody really asked for a 5th installment when it already had a proper conclusion (as early as 1989). Generally speaking I seriously doubt that this is a sign that Hollywood is dying but rather they need to keep up with what audiences really want.
Mario movie is not a good example of people "coming back to the theaters". It's a goddamn spectacle that Mario was even getting a movie at all. The Mario movie got people who hadn't been in a theater for years even decades to go to a theater to watch this movie.
t.Someone who hadn't been in a movie theater since Toy Story 3
>T.someone who hasn’t been to a theater since Toy Story 3
Opinion disregard
No one wants to see a movie where the main guy is this old frick who’s ready to drop anytime. Indy’s an action adventure IP. You can’t do your cool action set pieces when the main actor looks like he belongs in the nursing home. It’s ridiculous, and not in a good way.
What's an IP?
Inverted Penis
That's what I say whenever I urinate.
Internet Protocol
Intellectual property. Basically the "ideas" corporations own.
Thanks 😀
179.145.64.27
Iurassic Park
Intelligent Pepe.
That number that lets everyone know where you are.
the only reason to go to theaters is for dates or to go with your kids. Most people aren't having any of those
holy shit
only for animated movies.
every movie in general is flopping
Is it me or every movie that is heckin' relatable unappealing 3DCG blob people failing?
There's a difference between a new IP and an old IP with a new coat a paint. Elemental and Teenage Kraken are the latter. There's like 25 movies just like it and people are sick of it.
Maybe create good films? Studios want great profitable movies for nothing nowadays.
How does one know a film is good if it isn’t seen?
The look alone tells you almost everything you need to know.
Plus, the synopsis and trailer. The trailer even shows so much it's literally spoiling shit.
I actually like the style in this specific movie. Not sure why it's so hated. Reminds me of old stop-motion like Wallace and Gromit.
It's everything this year, with the exception on Mario.
I don't think people can afford to go to the movies anymore.
Puss in Boots took 484 million on a 100 million budget, which even allowing for the extra 2.5x cost is still a full 200m in profit. Not record breaking but still something to be proud of
I thought Spiderverse did alright?
It did. So did Guardians of the Galaxy and a few other films. Some anons think that if a show doesn't make a billion it flopped.
It’s done great. $600 million internationally on a $100 million budget
Evil is dying.
Not just new. Indiana Jones just had a worse worldwide opening than the Flash
I think Indiana Jones kinda needs young Harrison Ford to work
The modern consumer is a fricking moron who only wants memberberries, what else is new?
Encanto did just fine. Lightyear was established and they fricked it up. Wreck it Ralph 2 was one of the worst movies ever made, and it was "LOOK AT HOW MANY IPs WE CAN CRAM IN HERE!"
We've just had a string of really shitty animated movies.
Nimona seems to do decently. A bunch of anime are also doing very well, Suzume being the latest case. It has nothing to do with the IPs but with Dreamworks/Pixar always make the same soulless crap with the same messages, characters and emoji faces.
I love Transformers for example but couldn't watch more than the first hour of the new TF movie or the TF movies before that. It's just such a fricking generic shit and the funny one-liners are always the same, the characters and plot are always the same and the CGI is shit and none of the designs or characters likeable because they are always the exact same templates.
Besides that I also hate cinema and only go for niche movies that I want to support (if they even air there). The commute sucks, the dark rooms suck, the stench of popcorn suck, the other people suck and I even have to pay like 15 EUR for all that crap when I could actually put my legs onto my table and eat a good steak in a comfy room and enjoy a movie by myself.
Cinemas are scam.
Cultural shift, accelerated by the lockdowns. Meanwhile, video games have overtaken even film itself as the largest form of entertainment. In order for these studios to profit going forward, they have to shift towards video games.
I wonder if Pixar might shift to video games if their movies keep flopping.
What will be their Pixar version of Twisted Wonderland?
Isn't TW hyper gay? Did Pixar ever do things like that? Ugly gay potatoes don't count, TW is pure and actual fanservice for fujos.
Disney/Pixar has to shift to gaming to survive, they've made inroads every decade but abandoned it but they can't now they are making small strides but they likely need a big studio purchase to compete which they can't afford in the slightest right now after that Fox purchase
Nintendo’s got the head start at that. Especially with the establishment of their new studio, Nintendo Pictures. Film, games and theme parks, they got it all. Nintendo’ll be rebranding itself from a video game company to an entertainment company.
Nintendo's issue is going to be adapting characters meant for games - namely dialogueless and at time personality-less characters - into full scale media characters. It's not as easy as going from film to games/comics/anything like Disney's main group does
Look at Mario - already they had to play with the voices being entirely different and people were annoyed but only got away with it at the box office because of brand goodwill and that it was the first Mario film in ages. That isn't going to last for eternity
Link talks all the time outside the games. The many manga based on the IP have him speaking and are beloved to this day. It’s about using your imagination to create something that actually works and is able to appeal to as many people worldwide. Link’s also canonically not mute, but a man of few words. Also, Samus spoke in Dread so she isn’t mute either. Nintendo properties are versatile enough to be able to attribute a feature length story to it and have it actually work. To think it wouldn’t only shows one’s lack of imagination.
Lol. Did you guys know that Steel Wool Studios is comprised of Pixar talents? They’ve got their hands tight on the FNAF pie while Disney would scramble because Sony kept the Spider-Man Movie rights and the game rights.
Disney cannot do gaming and the reason they’re failing isn’t games but because they have bad films. Make good films with a good budget, it’s not fricking hard. And for your information, tons of game companies are making flops and are unable to recoup
The modern video game world is essentially an extension of the social media beast that's completely dominated pop culture for over a decade. With the advent of online multiplayer and streaming, video games have gone from something you either enjoyed on your own or with family and (real) friends to something that connects thousands, even millions of strangers to each other at a time. No other medium has the same blend of interactivity, immersion, and socialization. Hollywood is in a horrible place right now, but so is the video game industry. Comparing the two based on profit and influence is pointless, because video games are always going to win. That doesn't change the fact that films still offer an experience that even the most shameless of movie games can't. No one has turned their back to the concept of movies. No has ever said with any sincerity, "You know what? Movies are obsolete. We have video games now." People still want to watch movies--good movies. That demand is always going to exist.
Unfortunately, cracks are beginning to show. If you ever wanted to know what "Written by Committee" look at game related.
Every movie is flopping. It’s a dead medium.
People want the familiar stuff true but new IPs haven't been really standout nor have they gotten particularly good marketing as of late
Even then
is right too because being an adaptation or remake or part of a "cinematic universe" isn't a guarantee either, think things depend a lot more heavily on viral marketing and actually being a somewhat unique experience worth coming out to the theater for
movies in general are flopping
New IPs are made by people who's only life experience is watching other pop culture growing up, so nothing truly interesting is created.
Old IPs only appeal to rapidly aging and disinterested millennials and boomers who are sick of every change being made.
Really young people are far more entertained by short, 10-15 second clips of people shouting at the screen or by day long streams of their favourite parasitic relationship with a surrogate friend.
This, and alpha gen kids will know old IP characters like spongebob primarily from youtube "let's play" videos and not the source.
And this is all the proof I need that Cinemaphile users are the most gullible users on this site(well maybe except /misc/). Cinemaphile is always wrong
SpongeBob is iconic because it is meme culture from start to finish. It’s the modern age Batman and Spider-Man of this era.
No. They’re flopping because they’re made by people with ridiculously privileged life experiences, have no interest on the reality or functionality of the OG shows they’re inspired from, and they don’t do fricking good research into their material before applying them or twisting them.
Everyone has a boring Hitler for a reason. They’re basing it all on pure fiction with no sense of faith or respectability to dare bother going beyond their propaganda schools. They can’t write Dystopias because they don’t realize they’re living in one or contributing to the simulation. They can’t write moral characters because they have no faith in God.
Kinda. What you're dealing with currently is every major studio wants blockbuster profits, but don't want to put in the work or risk to actually give audiences something interesting. To me, this Teenage Krakan movie didn't do anything that a Disney Pixar movie hasn't done before. Brain dead morons will say it's cuz of "woke shit" but a majority of people aren't bigoted or brain diseased. Most of this shit is just uninteresting, doing nothing new.
If studios want people to see their movies, they need to stop expecting movies to do well just because they play it safe. They need writers and directors who are willing to try new things the get people interested.
>Brain dead morons will say it's cuz of "woke shit" but a majority of people aren't bigoted or brain diseased.
Why do you need to go out of your way to defend corporations doing political propaganda? You are as moronic as the journalists saying that Egypt is racist for suing that Cleopatra documentary
Yeah one of the most successful anime right now literally has the two lesbian MCs marrying at the end. The problem is that the trailers just ooze boredom. Most animated cinema movies remind me of those dumb safe stories that are used in the first school year to teach kids how to read and understand texts. The content of those stories is always flat simple morals at best and no actual conflict because they aren't made for entertainment they are made to be a very easy to read text to show kids how that works.
It's the same with those movies. It's like they weren't meant to be entertaining.
>a majority of people aren't bigoted or brain diseased
And that's why they are tired of Hollywood telling them they are if they don't watch the new movie
Yeah, let's be real here more often than not these movies are mediocre if not outright bad but that gets deflected by "you just don't like it cause you're a bigot!!" like that's gonna put more people in theater seats, it's usually just done and advertised because it's marketing and gets people to actually notice whatever it is you're making and blaming your abject failure on anything that isn't you is just a bonus
>new IP
>Lightyear
>Flash
>Black Adam
>Shazam 2
>Antman 3
>Indiana Jones 5
Movies are just doing poorly in general, aside from a few stand-out exceptions. People are just sick of shit. They've seen these companies shit out garbage film after garbage film for a decade now and they've had enough.
Asteroid City is doing fine
Good movies + reasonable budgets = profit
it's not that fricking hard
See, this anon gets it unlike all the other defeatists here
God, this.
It's like soulless companies forget that people don't watch 30 movies a week. Even the cinema gays I know go to cinema maybe once a month. And when they do they check the movies and pick up what sounds actually intriguing.
I think the formula is easy, but the execution is more complicated. Still, I really don’t understand how some movies can let their budget be so big and make costs get so out of hand.
Hasn't like every movie flopped recently? Except Mario
avatar, puss in boots2 , gotg, spiderverse, fast x are successful
Fast X? I thought that movie did worse than the previous films?
>Fast X’s budget is 340 milli
dios mio…
"While the movie managed to gross only an underwhelming $144 million domestically — it won't be able to hit $150 million by the end of its run — it made up for it in international markets, where it has generated a little under $560 million. The film's running global haul currently stands at $703 million."
Is this true?
Fast X flopping domestically made the movie underperform.
Spiderverse 2, Avatar 2, the cat movie, Mission Impossible, probably a bunch of online only movies too.
Cinema is dying. Not even joking. The industry grew too rapidly in the 2000’s and 10’s and now finally that bubble is popping. People would rather stay home and play video games than watch some reskinned movie at a dirty theater that they’ve seen a hundred times before. The lockdown definitely did not help either.
Rather than Cinemas dying, they are evolving right in front of us. Redesigned like the Movies are. The iPhones became the Cinema. The portable manga without losing any of the advantages of televised anime.
>They are evolving
Yeah I can see tha-
>The iphone
Stopped reading there.
iPhones killed cinemas and tv more easily than any other platform simply by being the “Switch”.
Whoever is in charge of the trailers need to be fired. Its literally the spoiled the whole movie.
Elemental did the opposite though. They sold the movie as a romcom only for the movie to focus mainly on the main character's self-doubt and her family's pressure. The main leads don't hit it off until the first 25-30 minutes. They could have promoted the movie as an adventure family flick instead of a romantic movie and it probably would have sold better. People got put off the "opposites attract" marketing.
this had reason because of how ugly looking it was
-othing of value was lost.
Fifth post best post
Good. Shit deserves shit
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What was the last new IP to hit big in theaters?
Avatar I guess? All the way back in fricking 2009?
Zootopia
Completely original story? Honestly I think it was Coco in 2017
Are you asking about animation or cinema in general? Everything Everywhere All At Once did really well back in 2021. For animation it would probably be Encanto. That did come out in Theaters, right?
Still kind of flopped in theaters. But it made up for it in streaming and winning and Oscar
EEAAO made 10x its budget, how did it “flop in the theaters”?
sorry I meant Encanto
Tenet is still highest grossing original movie of 2020s
John Wick
Blumhouse horror movies
M3GAN
Established franchises should stop shitting on their existing fans and the new kid IPs should reconsider shoehorning LGBT shit into literally every single movie made now.
>Release shit movies
>Be surprised when they have shit openings
Avatar 2 was a shit movie but that had a really good opening
Avatar 2 wasn't shit. Don't get me wrong it was in no way a cinematic tour de force, but it was leagues better than literally everything else Disney has put out in the last decade.
In terms of visual effects and cinematography, the writing and characters however were definitely Disney-tier.
Avatar 2 reminds you that good CGI exists after Marvelshit made you forget.
>This had the budget of $70 million
Imagine making an extremely successful film like Puss in Boots and pissing away a good chunk of it's earnings on this movie.
Don't expect Trolls 3 to do any better.
Trolls is now a beloved franchise and will do fine
trolls and bossy baby will make back everything in merch
Hollywood is circling the drain, the age of the blockbuster is over
Get woke, go broke.
There are no exceptions.
Spiderverse is at least as woke, yet it's a huge hit
because it's spiderman you dipshit
So there are some exceptions I guess
Chud BTFO
>being a capeshitter
>no exceptions
>Aryan femboy dominating his pet buck
>Woke
The term "go woke, go broke" is stupid because it doesn't really account for things that would have made more money if they weren't woke, Spiderverse and the Live Action Little Mermaid made money but would have made more with a non Black lead.
>Live Action Little Mermaid made money
except it didn't?
Monstergirls are woke now?
oh whatever, I almost wanted to see it but she gets Black personed
I hope the US crashes and burns
She's an ugly fish monster so it's apt to pair her with a Black.
nobody deserves pairing with a Black if not other Blacks
>implying krakens aren't the Blacks of the sea
I hate Krackers
This is why the movie died. Not because of wokeness but because the love interest is ugly as hell and everyone wanted her to hook up with the mermaid
This is the reason I didn't watch. They gave her such a hideous love interest, no thank you, not watching.
its funny that this was the based unwoke fish movie compared to Little Mermaid but now that Little Mermaid did well and this didnt its woke
or maybe because we learned more about it? Fricking moron
what did you learn other than the movie has a black person? At least the people shitting on Little Mermaid pretended to have a point with substance
the pretty white red-haired girl is nonredeemable evil
the protagonists friends are cutouts from a woke-caricature coloringbook
all the important and powerful people are women and the guys are shifted to comic relief
and the black guy IS the boyfriend
when people said it was "not woke" they only knew about the mermaid looking like Ariel and nothing else
Enough substance for you? Or do you want to create one or two more strawmen?
"Woke" is a meaningless term used by snowflakes crying about things they don't like.
Good, the art style looks hideous
>https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/ruby_gillman_teenage_kraken
It´s good enough. It will float.
People are poorer, streaming is now widespread beyond a single social class, and the cinema itself has had a bad reputation that never went away.
Parents don't need to go see something like this to entertain their children when their are other options.
>People are poorer
No they aren't. Unemployment is down, real wages (adjusted for inflation) are up. Savings were at their highest during the pandemic period when no one was watching movies. Going to the movies is more affordable today than it's ever been, barring moviepass-tier hacks. The alternatives have just gotten more attractive
>Savings were at their highest during the pandemic period when no one was watching movies.
Savings which value was rededuced by high inflation, making people poorer?
Literally every "poorgay" owns an iphone and consoles nowadays.
Is this true in the US? I live in the UK, and it definitely isn't true here.
This is true. Besides recent inflation most economic indicators here have been good. UK just sucks lmao
>Streaming
Dude I and a lot of others bootleg their movies. I hope the writers strike never ends or they get replaced by chatgpt and actors get replaced by deepfakes. The sooner Hollywood loses its status and pedigree, the better.
Ai won’t replace writers. They’ll give writers various scenarios to work with on their tight schedules.
Games and novels.
>Ai won’t replace writers
Lmao the cope. AI will replace all you worthless creatives artists and writers alike. Try getting an actual job now.
Trump lost.
AI will replace you too
AI art will actually empower writers so now they can create from scratch
>AI will replace all you worthless creatives artists and writers alike.
I'll bite this one. See I'm in a strange position about this but when I see people gloat that AI will replace everything - which will inevitably happen - I don't understand the point of view of whether you believe that things will get better or not. Do you really things will get better when AI will take over? It definitely will, and my strange position here is that I believe it's what the public deserves, because the public is a bunch of soulless cattle, but my perspective in this is that I'm wishing an apocalypse on the public because I hate them. You people seem to think AI will give us a new golden age, or maybe an improvement of some kind because the current generation of makers is so shitty you can't imagine things getting worse. Things can definitely get a lot worse. Do you understand how AI works? It's gonna be the equivalent of low budget isekai moeshit anime over and over except the waifu's hair color is sourced through user statistics based on how many times you coomed to what hair color the most. I don't understand if you enjoy this idea or if you're deluded that AI will create human culture, or maybe you're just trolling, but holy frick I know for sure there are people who think AI will re-enable creativity and freedom.
I would say something about humanity having lost its spirit but sadly humans seem to be only marginally different than bots at this point and the learned helplessness of this generation makes me wish for WW3. Zoomers are making me think that we're really approaching the end.
At this point, I don't really care. Their is really very little I look forward to now. Comics are shit, movies are shit, shows are shit, the political environment and socio-economic pricing is shit. At many times during the day, I just Putin to stop blue balling us an just say frick it, and nuke us all. Frick everything.
It's all so close to not being shit. The Internet is still there. If people had the slightest will to create an environment, it would happen. I never understood how it's possible that niche but well-made projects die so easily when there are literal billions of people on the Internet, surely someone willing to support that venue would exist. In the past if you had a shoppe, how many customers would you need to make ends meet? How many people did you even have available? And now we have a global market for things and nothing happens. And you know why? It's not because people are broke, this problem with people is much bigger and comes earlier than money. It's because they're lazy and indolent. They're so lazy they will just sit on their big social media's feed and wait what the system suggests, what is trending, what other people talk about. This is why I hate the public. I've always been proactive in searching for things I liked. I always tried new things, new places, attempted to start new communities. Nothing ever fricking happens because people just wanna flock like lemmings to the big thing and then they just sit on their ass and soak up shit with their mouths agape, that's why the fricking soilets do that, they're like baby chicks waiting for some hook-billed vulture to regurgigate some shit into their throat. Zoomers aren't just not human, they're not even mammals, they're fricking sea sponges or carnivorous plants. They only become fricking animate when they're looking for porn, then they activate their fricking brains for those 15 minutes and manage to actively do something themselves. It would be so fricking easy to have good things, it's like a starving man who's got a beautiful field full of trees bearing delicious fruit but he's too fricking lazy to pick one up and eat. He needs the fricking thing to drop into his mouth, so he sits down with his mouth open and fricking starves to death before a fricking apple falls into his stupid maw.
The problem is people have been atomized and silo'd into our own little bubbles, so people just don't become aware of shit that might interest them, and God knows search engines aren't any help.
People on here really make their inability to find literally anything of interest to them, new or otherwise into the reason they write out their manifesto, it’s genuinely sad. Funny, but sad. You’re right about search engines going to shit though.
WOW! You people give up so easily, a boring uninspired animated movie made for kids bombed at the box office so fricking what it’s not the end of the world. Hey, instead of mopping on glorified suicide, why not instead BE the change you want to make. The indie comic scene (aka not capeshit comics) and indie animation scene is really booming and have gained new followings. Why not give it a shot yourselves and never give up https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=KxGRhd_iWuE
Obviously this has nothing to do with a shitty kids movie bombing but a whole decade of shit.
>why not instead BE the change you want to make.
Have you read my post?
>The indie comic scene (aka not capeshit comics) and indie animation scene is really booming and have gained new followings.
Tell me good shit that doesn't run on coom and isn't woke garbage. There's nothing I want more than being proven wrong.
I know this is from CBR and not exactly everything is in your taste but here are some examples https://www.cbr.com/best-current-indie-comics/ some cape stuff too but not marvel or dc.
There's nothing fricking "indie" about this, it's all industry veterans like Mike Mignola, Jeff Lemire, there's fricking Spawn listed in it FFS. The only new names are - no surprise - making brave and powerful queer shit.
It's fricking nothing as always.
Then just try to find shit and stop begging for suicide. OR I have another alternative suggestion if you really have truly given on in any form of media which I seriously doubt but if soFind a hobby
>Then just try to find shit
All the comics I followed are gone or dead, and my favorite artists have disappeared or turned to coomshit.
Personally, I would likely abuse AI and rise to the top because I know what I want from my projects. Most writers and artists literally don’t know the first thing about storytelling or dragging a narrative with character motivations/personality.
The reason why everything is a mess is because of the huge focuses on commercialization and ESG rather than making a good and guaranteed product that will generate profit.
The only game I’m looking forward to is Deltarune because the israelite behind it actually focuses on making a good-and-simple rpg with great characters and distinctively simple gameplay instead of depending on high-budgets animation styles with these huge ass teams. All of which don’t really add anything to the story or its gameplay.
Imagine if fighting games actually embrace simple combos in favor of making movement and moves more extreme and distinctive than fricking Street Fighter. Imagine if more animated series functioned and we’re written around 12 episodes or 24 episodes in total for a cohesive and focused narrative. Thirty minute animated films. Maybe if the scaling in the projects were more reasonable and knew their boundaries, we would have a stronger media space. Instead, everyone depends on the most moronic “solutions” that hardly address the incompleted narratives, annoying QTE “skill test” bullshit, half-assed “big narratives”, or grasping for BlackRock money.
>Do you understand how AI works? It's gonna be the equivalent of low budget isekai moeshit anime over and over except the waifu's hair color is sourced through user statistics based on how many times you coomed to what hair color the most.
This Isekai shit is why I stopped watching animu since mid 2016.
I've never been happier.
You could just watch a different genre. Also what are you watching now?
Streaming itself is bad for business. It isn’t profitable. The money spent in maintaining the servers and the production of original content far outweighs any returns they receive from subscriptions. It isn’t sustainable.
This. I think that soon we'll see a gradual movement back towards something more like traditional TV with most revenue coming from ads and syndication
Didn't Netflix try this some time ago?
And then they lost millions of subscribers cause this is a moronic idea?
No, what they did was roll out a cheaper subscription that included ads last fall. I haven't seen anything about how successful it's been, but regular subscribers aren't affected
Anon, next to no one who has the ability to watch streams WANTS conventional TV, though.
Yeah, but do you think people who watched TV before 2010 wanted ad breaks? No, they put up with them because that's how the networks made revenue. Do you remember how much fewer ads there were all over the internet fifteen years ago. It sucks, but people put up with it. If TV services need (or believe they need) to bring back ads in order to stay in the black, they will do it, and audiences will have to learn to live with it.
>Do you remember how much fewer ads there were all over the internet fifteen years ago.
15 years ago is literally the last time I have even seen ads on the internet.
This may shock you but most people don't use ad blocker because most people browse on their phones now and/or they are too dumb to use adblock
Yeah but I think this the best option.
Everybody is free to avoid ads if they want or have a brain while the majority still watches them and therefore supports the websites we all use. They will make money and add more movie content, we won't see ads. Sounds perfect to me.
>Dude, just use Firefox with Ublock
>Noo noo this is weird stuff, nooo nooo
>I can do it for you, you'll never see ads
>noooo nooo *chimp noises*
doesn't matter anyway since now they only use apps. I don't think anybody still uses a browser and if installing a fricking add-on on a browser was so hard I'm not even gonna try talking about netguard
In case you haven't noticed, people are willing to pay to avoid ads.
>Do you remember how much fewer ads there were all over the internet fifteen years ago
That particular problem is a self feeding cycle. People get annoyed with ads and/or sysadmins are concerned about ads being an attack vector, and implement ad and script blockers. Websites responds by placing more ads to be viewed by those who don't block them; more people get annoyed, and the cycle repeats.
It’s possible TV will lose steam entirely in the favor of shorts, movie trilogies, or short 24/12 episode series.
Good.
Movie fatigue, after about 100 years of movies, I think we can all agree that there are enough. We don't need any more.
moron take tbqh. Are you gonna tell me people get book fatigue and music fatigue next? Films are one of the newest mediums and there's still a lot of unbroken ground.
>t. Martin Scorcese
I fricking hate this pretentious little homosexual, "I r-read stuff and see t-things" like holy fricking shit, if you think cinema is going downhill then why doesn't this homosexual stand up against the producer and directors that cause these fricking problems he sees, oh wait, he's a old union hating homosexual and that'll be too much for him, go frick himself!
>Are you gonna tell me people get book fatigue
Seeing that the average number of books read yearly has consistently dropped over the last 100 years of common literacy, yes.
that post was an obvious joke you low-functioning autist
BASADO
i was gonna see it but then the goofy black love interest appeared, no thanks.
keep your core audience of 10 people.
You know what I think this movie is? I think it was meant to be one of those "twin movies" like Armageddon/deep impact or Bug's life/Antz. But for the Pixar movie Luca, but it either got scrapped/ got in development hell and they decided to re-realease it now because of the little mermaids because there where mermaids in the plot.
Honestly I don't see any similarity between Luca and Ruby Gillman besides "sea creature pretends to be a human".
At a glance, the plot to both films appears to be, "Profoundly stupid and dysfunctional quirky sea creatures avoid the sea and everything interesting about the sea so that they can badly blend in with the film's terrestrial, pre-teen target demo for an hour."
Luca had good humans in it and a reason to care.
The mermaid movie had no good plots or relationships that made use of the human and kraken relationships.
Ruby Gillman was supposed to be directed by Paul Tibbitt (SpongeBob S4-S9a show runner) and called Meet the Gillmans. From what we know of this version, it probably didn't have the whole "superhero kraken princess" and "save the world from the evil mermaids" stuff about it, focusing instead on the slice of life antics of the Gillman family who try and ultimately fail to hide the secret that they are sea monsters from the surface world. Chelsea was in it based on concept art but she looked to may had been more of an open alpha b***h and we aren't sure if the "all mermaids really are evil" and "Chelsea is actually the evil adult queen" twists were in place.
Based on what we can infer of this earlier version, I feel some people at DreamWorks felt that the Gillman movie, in its more slice of life form, would've been immediately targeted for being what seemed to be a blatant pastiche of Luca, leading to the late rewrite into an action comedy of sorts. I believe that sometime during the process of Meet the Gillmans becoming Ruby Gillman then, Tibbitt either left or was fired due to not wanting such a dramatic change to his vision of the movie.
Studios used to copycat movies all the time. Why would comparisons to this movie be a problem for the kraken movie?
If Ruby got overhauled due to Luca, it wouldn't be the first time that a DreamWorks movie went through a dramatic change in premise due to a film from a rival animation studio. One of the scrapped scripts for Peabody and Sherman was about a villain who had the goal of stealing the seven wonders of the world. The crew had just finished the script and were about to turn it in before completely scrapping it after seeing the trailer to the first Despicable Me.
https://gizmodo.com/the-epic-12-year-quest-to-make-a-mr-peabody-and-sherma-1536308729
>rework your movie so doesn't come as a Luca clone
>final script is a Turning Red clone
imbeciles
>Makes an even worse domestic opening than some random C-tier animated flick like pic related
TOP KEK
Poor choice putting it up against Indiana Jones 5.
>The first trailer was literally the entire plot of the movie summed up in 2 minutes
>Chelsea was always gonna be the straight up twist villain with no redemption at the end and we coped HARD
>Picrel is essentially her version of the Hans Smile
>To add salt to the wound she’s actually an adult, retroactively making all the shipping fanart with Ruby worse in hindsight
And this is after Dreamworks released The Last Wish which was one of the best movies of last year. How did we go from that masterpiece to this wasted potential?
>How did we go from that masterpiece to this wasted potential?
Typical DreamWorks fashion, when makes a one good movie, then it's followed inmediatly by 2 or 3 turds.
They really are the sega of animated films.
>>To add salt to the wound she’s actually an adult, retroactively making all the shipping fanart with Ruby worse in hindsight
HA HA HA What? Oh frick, I wonder if anyone actually deleted their art because of that?
>How did we go from that masterpiece to this wasted potential?
Are you new to dreamworks?
>To add salt to the wound she’s actually an adult, retroactively making all the shipping fanart with Ruby worse in hindsight
Sounds great to me tbh, I hated that shit because Ruby is fricking ugly.
AI couldv saved them from this. Hopefully they will do like pixar after their flops and put an AI in charge.
Whoaaa, who ever could have forseen this????
Buf fricking seriously, lack of advertising aside, it doesn't LOOK like a Dreamworks movie. It looks like some third party foreign garbage. Anyone who thought this movie was going to do good was fricking delusional
Worse marketing than Elemental.
Frick man, I didn't think it would even do that good
I legitimately lose interest in a movie when I see a black character.
If movies are dead then what's taken their place? Do kids these days just watch TikTok all day long?
>If movies are dead then what's taken their place?
porn, sadly
video games, tv/streaming shows
Movies aren't fricking dead, Mario did fantastically, Suzume was a huge fricking success, Spiderverse was a huge fricking success and none of these movies even set new standards or are actually mind blowing, they are just decent or good and yet people are ready to enjoy that ride and spend money on them but not shit like Elementals or Kraken.
Movies aren't dead, people are just tired of absolute bottom of the barrel crap.
who cares about suzume outside japan?
>people are just tired of absolute bottom of the barrel crap
>uses mario as a “good” example
oh the ironing
No one likes a pretentious nerd.
Didn't like Mario either but it was a success so it's certainly not people being tired of movies on principle.
I just hope they won't pander harder to gamers, I am a game gay myself but I prefer stories of games to stay there, they are never good enough for actual movies IMO.
Movies are dead. The only movies in the public conscious are ones we're actively shitting on. We used to love them, they were cultural events... now? Not so much. A movie would impact the culture in a broader sense.. things would be quoted from movies by people who haven't seen them with actual fondness, and not just for the purposes of mockery as is the trend today. We no longer have that, at all. So yes, movies are dead. Soulless, low-risk corporate generic in their forced multi-cultural nature, only tolerable by people sharing the same traits.
Videogames and indie projects.
>If movies are dead then what's taken their place?
>VIDEO GAMES
I shit you not, the gaming industry is worth almost 4 times more than the movie industry.
>https://gamerhub.co.uk/gaming-industry-dominates-as-the-highest-grossing-entertainment-industry/#:~:text=That%20means%20the%20gaming%20industry,increasing%20popularity%20of%20mobile%20gaming.
Zoomies grew up with youtube and that's why movies about video games like Mario and FNAF are coming to Unhollywood.
Videogames have ballooned in popularity and streaming too. COVID just sealed the deal on theaters and people won't get up off their couch for anything less than the fricking super mario movie. It's over.
>Trash found in the trash bin
What's the problem?
People actually thought this would do well? It looks like one of those straight to DVD movies.
The one fricking time that woke Hollywood would have benefited from making a cute lesbian gay romance between squid and mermaid, and they dont do it, opting for a fricking boring ass standard animated kids story plot. The one fricking time. All these western animated films do nowadays is focus not on story but on how fricking inclusive they are and how they are including POCs and members of the LBGT community and all this shit, and the one time that I would be totally okay with seeing homosexual yuri they dont do it.
Lmfaooo stay seething yuri cuck
>Elemental gets a $29.6 million opening week
>RGTK gets a $6 million opening week
Is it just me, or are nintendies and capeshitters bulk buying movie tickets for Mario and Spidey respectively? Either that, or normalgays have been priced out of movie theaters.
Mario and Spider-Man are safe bets. Elemental and Ruby are too new and on top of that have bad marketing. Plus WoM is better for the former than the latter.
>relying on ticket sales from adult fans
families brought their kids to those movies in droves
How will the box office recover, Cinemaphilemblers?
Streaming will save the day.
Is that Dresden?
Story was shit, twists were spoiled, art style was largely ugly, and the vastly superior Nimona came out the same day (and you could stay at home to watch that).
I feel bad for the people who watched Meet The Gillmans get origami-twisted into this shite.
ESG is killing animation. No wonder they’ve all resigned in the past two weeks.
The whole movie was yet another attack on Ariel. The kraken girl is shipped with a black. Why did they think little girls would want to go see that?
because people hate redheads and girls love BBC
They hate the British programs, anon.
>people hate redheads
Cinemaphile tells me otherwise. Little girls are also manic for True Ariel.
The British Broadcasting Corperation is loathed by all Americans, especially little girls. What were they thinking?
> The British Broadcasting Corperation is loathed by all Americans, especially little girls. What were they thinking?
It gets worse when you realize that likable black characters get fricked and forced into interracial relationships. Miles would literally do better with a cute black girl than getting his sick shoved into Gwen.
I don't remember hearing anything about this leading up to it
Where was the marketing
OH N-
That's called capitalism.
I still ship them.
I thought it was an okay film. Nothing to offensive. People don't like to take risks anymore?
-igger
The mario movie had happy Italian bros which will always bring the audiences
Link to camrip please
Legit would have sold more tickets if we got more shots of full on Ruby feet. I’m talking big blue soles on the screen.
Just imagine the taste.
Boring. Feet should have more detail.
>ITT Cinemaphile goes full doompost central because a mediocre animated kids film didn’t do so well that should’ve been DTV instead
So you’re telling me this of all things broke the straw on the camels back on Cinemaphile‘s faith in animated films? I’m now see people claim the Mario movie isn’t enough for them despite it being everything they wanted. You’re all just spoiled
How much did it cost?
I think the issue is that everything costs too fricking much. Even movies that look like absolute garbage and have the most generic shit writing possible somehow cost like half of a fricking billion. I don't know why these idiots have lost the ability to produce anything that doesn't cost gorillions. They need to stop trying to win the whole fricking world over and focus on more niche, well-written, interesting stories that might not make a billion on the first day but that doesn't matter. If a movie doesn't much it's easy to make ten times the money with it as long as it isn't generic mass-produced shit.
I just don't go to cinemas anymore in general. If you want me to watch something then stream it somewhere. Besides that cinema movies are so full of crap of which the only trait is literally to appeal to the lowest common denominator while trying to not piss anybody off. This isn't a story, this an advertisement. Stories are the thoughts of people. People, not multi billion dollar companies.
Also a big issue are surprises. I actually want to be surprised when I watch something. And to see something I haven't seen yet, at least not like that. Preferably not the umpteenth sequel of something I've already dropped a decade ago either.
Movies at the end of the day, are products. And products need to sell. The companies who produce these films aren’t pro-Bono. They and every other business in the world want to make money.
Yeah and it obviously doesn't work. With things being global now you can reach everybody. Make a movie that attracts niche audiences and you might still get millions of people from every kind of country watching it because it's something they are into. These dreamwerks movies are so damn shallow and inoffensive that they aren't for anybody.
It's like having a buffet in front of you and you are allowed to choose one or two. There are all kids of dishes and dreamworks's product is a simple bread, basically a literal nothingburger, since "everybody eats bread, right"?
The result is that nobody picks the fricking bread up. Sushi might be less mainstream than a schnitzel but 10% of the guests being sushi gays is enough to make them eat up all the sushi. Even if you are into generic dishes you pick the spare ribs or the spaghetti with garlic. Nobody picks the bare bread even though bread might technically the food related product that is most commonly eaten.
Both Puss in Boots and The Bad Guys made money. They were successful. Plus, Dreamworks is owned by Universal who also owns Illumination. They're fine.
It does work. Just make a movie that people would want to see. it's that simple.
I always hated these movies. No idea about the story I just see the promotional art and know it's shallow shit.
Maybe people don't watch it because they assume it's shallow shit?
Welp, get ready for Shrek 5 I guess.
and that's a good thing
People still like going to the movies, and Avatar/Mission Impossible/Mario prove it
the problem is most movies are just not worth the time to watch, let alone the cost of admission
Checking the reviews it's all literal whos.
I think you guys are looking at this from the wrong angle. You ask "why people aren't watching movies?" as if it was a routine that only stops if something bad happens
I think the simple answer is that Theaters as they were are done for. No one wants to spend 10$ on popcorn when they could stream a movie at home for much less. Theaters really need to lower the prices if they want to stick around.
I never understood why it was popular in the first place. Personally I always found the huge screen rather tedious than a positive experience and everything else about the cinema is principally worse than your comfy room at home where you can do what you want, eat what you want and watch at your own pace and maybe stop the movie for a moment if you have to do something else or replay certain scenes and all that.
Even the big-screen gays have their huge flat TVs or beamers nowadays, so there is absolutely no reason to go into the cinema besides the sheer will to support a certain movie.
>everything else about the cinema is principally worse than your comfy room at home where you can do what you want, eat what you want and watch at your own pace and maybe stop the movie for a moment if you have to do something else or replay certain scenes and all that.
Whenever I went to cinema with my ex gf we never did anything but watch the movie, not even a kiss during the movie.
Whenever I watched a movie with her on my house, we always end up having sex.
She starts sucking my dick and the popcorn is cheap.
Disgusting, But yeah still proving what I said. Cinema is crap and everybody should boycott it on principle. It's literally a relic from the past.
Why bother seeing shit in theaters unless you absolutely NEED the "experience," just watch the inevitable camrip because you know damn well there's gonna be an HD version out in like a month or two and you can just rewatch it in better quality then
It's a mixture of underwhelming boring sounding movies and the fact that everything and everyone is jacking up prices. It's not muh culture wars it whatever the frick, it's just that people can't afford to waste money on mid tier shit they're only sorta interested in and know will come to streaming anyways.
She looks like she’s taking a shot here.
Streaming may seem well and good for the consumer, but for the producer, it's shit. You can't make money off of streaming. The costs of those servers and production of original content far outweighs any "returns" from subscriptions. They're spending way more money than they're able to make. It isn't a sustainable model and needs to be replaced with something that is sustainable.
Yeah but customers don't care. We can watch things at home, why should anybody move? If movies don't come to me at home anymore I will just pirate them when I can and a lot of others do the same. I am still more of a movie gay than most others I know. Most barely care, certainly don't care enough to go to a cinema and pay for it. Today there are so many ways of entertaining yourself that a movie has to do something mindblowing to make people pay for them.
Had services like Vudu and iTunes/Play Store became the default method of watching film and tv online, then these companies wouldn't be having these issues. The rent/buy model will always trump the subscription model every time. They could’ve licensed out their old content to platforms like Netflix while debuting new content on the rent/buy services.
I think it has some advantages. Like me explicitly only supporting what I like and not supporting the streaming service/channel as a whole. A series profits way more from being paid for (even if it's just two dollars) than being clicked once.
The disadvantage is that people won't randomly try things anymore, so niche and indie content might get ignored since you have to pay for every single movie or series.
Maybe allowing everybody to watch the beginning would be a good solution. Watching the first 20 minutes of a movie or the first episode of a series? That way you can try everything but then pay for the good shit. Like demos for games.
Movies and shows cost so much since the start. They weren’t ever reasonably profitable without tons of manipulation and push behind it. Books and comics are often overlooked regardless of how cheap they are to produce and the significance of its icons, such as Harry Potter, Lord of Rings, and Spiderman. So then forth, cheaply making games becomes the mainstream priority for most young creators and they are able to tell big and effective stories within them at a nearly guaranteed profit. You can tell almost every side story into the game as a side quest, so you don’t have to balance them and the main storyline at the same time.
The bullet points of the side quests and the main storyline are almost completely separated, without regarding when you can access the sidequest or progress further into it.
Hes here
I pity the 12-years-olds who are getting all their opinions spoonfed to them by this idiot
Funny if this helps people find out about the movie
>Every Movie
Mario says hi.
Mario is kept afloat by Drones and Miniongays.
>DUUUR why is Flash/Elementals/Ruby Gillman flopping????
Because they released when Spiderverse was still in theatre and these share 90% of their audience.
That's literally it.
Why are people even asking?
Tell me why I shouldn't laugh?
You'll hurt Ruby's feelings.
This. If only for Ruby's sake I wish this movie was great and did well
They should have ended up together.
But that's a problematic ship
Why?
And?
They shouldn't have made Chelsea completely evil and an adult then
She had so much potential for the story and themes had they just let her be ultimately a good person instead of simply being a lame twist villain
>i would have liked if this character wasn't this character
he doesn't say they should completely replace this character you dishonest ass, but that they should merely change her motivation and one or two dialogue scenes to what was hinted at in the middle of the movie instead of doing a lame twist where it is revealed that she was just lying the entire time, even when Ruby wasn't looking and she didn't even knew Ruby existed.
What happened to GOOD animated movies?
Like How To Train Your Dragon?
I wish the mods would filter the word "PLAP" as "DEVELOPERS"
I even sent a feature suggestion about it.
Imagine how funny it would be whenever someone posts a girl and someone goes PLAP PLAP PLAP PLAP GET PREGNANT
It would be amazing
They only filter stuff that personally offends them. Look at a few of their IRL pics to figure our why a certain type of bean is still censored.
>onions actively offends jannies
now that's funny.
The amazing part is that it took them 3 days top ot completely lose it and censor it. Meanwhile even Nwords are still acceptable there in small doses. But Asian beans? Nope. worse than Hitler. Literally.
People quoting that whole "video games are twice a big of a revenue industry as movies" shit are ignoring that that's lumping in the oroboros of ad-recycling mobile games, facebook games, GaaS shit, and traditional games in the same basket, while only looking at revenue and not profit, despite the fact that 90% of mobile game revenue feeds into advertising contracts with other mobile games..
Cinema was dying before the 2-3 year period, hence why they tried to milk the MCU shit so much as it was literally the only profitable thing "saving the industry"
If it was just a movie about cute girls doing cute things it would've not flopped.
Chelsea's feet in my mouth
This, except her booba
Chelsea's an adult right? At least the trailers didn't spoil that one. Why on earth didn't they make them similar in age, then at least a school rivalry would've made sense within the film before the whole K v M debacle was revealed.
If you can't love her as a fish, you are not allowed to love her feet
What was that about white mermaids, Cinemaphile?
All mermaids as scum, regardless of what color the scales are.
>ginger
>racist
>middle-aged
Ideal woman
Can a Kraken reproduce with a Mermaid?
If one of them were male then possibly.
No. Mermaids reproduce through adoption.
>https://twitter.com/Froggy_doodles/status/1675879485718110210
They are beginning to rationalize the ship.
Stage 3: Bargaining
Of course it's the frogchad the one who decided to call out this complete bullshit.
Some drawchad from last night did a great job at delivering good
So are going to all say that "Dreamworks is dead" now?...l
Good. They had a decent script in the early versions, rewrote it to chase after Superheroslop, then turned it into something bad (with a good movie still very possible with some basic rewrites). Meanwhile the art direction went so deep in the toilet there are only maybe 2 good looking characters in the whole movie (and one of them is just 'salright).
This deserves to burn. The only tragedy is that the ones most responsible for this wienerup will walk away fine.