He sells some he keeps some. Obviously he keeps planets like earth and sells shitholes like planet Vegeta. Now that i think about it he's a tyranical emperor and shit but apparently being a member of the frieza army ain't too bad, it pays good, the food is good, they have the best medical treatment in the universe for free etc.
To pay his personal army >why does he need a personal army
He views the universe as one big game of civilization and is going for a military victory
8 months ago
Anonymous
For the same reason every emperor in history took more territory and money even if they had more than enough, for glory and power. It's not about having a big dick, it's all about making everyone know you have the biggest dick
8 months ago
Anonymous
but those emperors were all vulnerable humans, not basically literal gods.
8 months ago
Anonymous
So you think he should just sit in a shack? Work at a factory?
8 months ago
Anonymous
he should be tripping on drugs 24/7 as hs gallivants across the universe doing whatever he wants as an unstoppable force of nature
8 months ago
Anonymous
There's no fun on just killing everyone, that's why he never got his hands dirty until the space monkeys pissed him off. Who's gonna spread the word of your might and glory if you kill everyone? See, he wouldn't shut up about being the emperor of the universe when fighting Goku which means the title and prestige meant a lot to to him.
8 months ago
Anonymous
>expecting a megalomaniac to not behave like a megalomaniac
8 months ago
Anonymous
To pay the expenses for his floating baby crib he likes to sit in so much despite the fact he can fly
Freiza's empire didn't seem especially evil or cruel. Anyone who bent the knee was just incorporated into it and they didn't seem to really be doing anything but going around adding more planets to the empire. With all the power reliant totally on Freiza's family eventually they just would've collapsed when some random stronger being came along and killed them (which probably wouldn't have been long off - an above average scientist on some backwater planet was capable of building robots that were millions of power levels stronger than Freiza so it was just a matter of time) and life would go on.
In fact being part of Freiza's army seems like it'd be pretty comfy. You and the boys just going around kicking ass and if you get hurt they have amazing medical technology which can heal you from death's door within an hour. And it's 100% meritocratic so the more skilled and devoted you are the higher you rise. Literally better than any system of government on earth.
>(which probably wouldn't have been long off - an above average scientist on some backwater planet was capable of building robots that were millions of power levels stronger than Freiza so it was just a matter of time)
Freeza would do 10 push ups and kill them.
das rite, he was just acting on the orders his universe's God of Destruction. The dumb guy from Dragon Ball Super Stupid told him to blow up planet Vegeta because King Vegeta stole his blanket or something.
Super isn't amazing by any means by the later sagas (Goku Black, the pre tournament of power tournament, and 2nd half of ToP) make up for the shitty start, imo. Goku Black felt fresh and actually intimidating since the heroes lost I think twice. ToP was good because it included most the main heroes and the ending with Frieza and Goku, albeit a little fanservice, was enjoyable. >muh Frieza is evil tho! He killed people!
Yeah and they don't treat him like a hero the whole fricking time. It's made clear he's in it for himself, he's just a good fighter and no one wants to be erased.
Lmao I remember that. Fricking self righteous Gohan had it coming though, Frieza should've eliminated him.
>He was born to job, deal with it.
Explain Super Hero then, gayola.
>nearly let's Piccolo die >Piccolo has to kidnap Pan in order for Gohan to get uncucked
Gohan is more of a Mary sue than anyone. Fricker sits on his ass since ToP after claiming he'll try hard AT LEAST twice in Super just to get a massive power up out of nowhere. Goku and Vegeta at least had some reasoning besides muh daughter. Super Hero felt more like a Piccolo movie and I'm okay with that.
>He was born to job, deal with it.
Explain Super Hero then, gayola.
>Goku Black felt fresh
No? His arc was easily one of the worst arcs in the entire series. Zamasu and Black were lame morons that were constantly spewing pseudo-intellectual garbage, Vegito is treated like a joke and his inclusion also introduced that shitty potara retcon, the entire concept of the arc feels like fanfiction (Future Trunks comes back to get help to beat Evil Goku) and everything about its ending was straight up terrible. >and actually intimidating since the heroes lost I think twice.
That's because of how shitty the pacing of the arc is and how they went 3 times into the future with no consequences whatsoever. What a moronic take, lmao.
considering who the VA was, yeah i was always a bit confused. i preferred genkai as the voice of freiza than the other gay british homosexual they gave him for kai or whatever the frick
That was the intention from what I understand. The write, who I can't remember his name, thought that nonbinary people were scary, hence Frieza as the villain.
eunuchs being evil has been a thing since before the roman empire. And they still are. When you remove a person's ability to reproduce, they no longer fixate on the long term, they no longer care about the future. At least, not the future of others. In their old age, a man will plan for his family. He will do things that benefit not himself, but his descendents. He will abstain from behaving wontonly, he will conserve resources, he will invest in things and plant trees whose fruits he wont live long enough to enjoy.
But the eunuch does not. Why do so many eunuchs kill themselves? Because they only care about themselves, and when they feel they cant get anymore benefits or enjoyment, or advancement for themselves, they simply end their lives. The eunuch lives in the moment, and when they die their wealth and power are automatically returned to the state. This is why the elite love cutting people's dicks off, and this is why community minded regular people despise them. When you cut your dick off, you become a monster. Eunuchs claim the world is out to get them, because they are reflecting their own desires. Eunuchs pretend everyone wants to cause them harm, because the eunuch is more than willing to harm others for their own ends. The world revolves around them, and the world ends with them. A eunuch that doesnt appear to be evil, simply hasnt been given the oppertunity to be so. They havent reached a high enough place in society to act upon their impulses, so they quitely bide their time, waiting for a chance to strike out at society.
Freeza encapsulates this ideology. He's selfish, he's vain. He's a feminine man that has the power to kill who he wants, and takes what he wants. And he has no regard to the future conseuqences of his actions because he lives entirely in the present like a standard court eunuch.
Castratos were before puberty, eunichs were after specifically to shrivel the dick, moron. And castrato's were solely for singing, eunichs had a much different role. Frick you're stupid.
I don't recall reading about many historical eunuchs committing suicide, unless the alternative was impending execution. Usually they got murdered by big men with swords because they used their immense political power to ruin lives or have other important people executed.
I don't know why but when I was a kid I thought he was the trans villain from The Powerpuff Girls.
I think there was this rumor going around the schoolyard but I don't remember exactly
>wishes him back 5 episodes later
*sigh* dragonball would have been some real kino if they were willing to take chances. But it has been going on for 40 years so I guess keeping krillin and everybody alive was a good call.
Toriyama originally planned on having Vegeta's death at the hands of Freeza to be permanent, but his editor talked him out of it since Vegeta was already such a popular character.
If you read back all the old interviews his editor forced him to change a lot of things, and it was his editor who pretty much dictated that it become "the super sayian show" which Toriyama was clearly never on board with hence why he started using non-sayians in Super again.
I heard the editor also made 16/17/18 and Cell a thing because he didn't like dr gero and the fat white guy. so he's right about some things.
Honestly when we get toriyama doing what he wants we get super, where goku doesn't even know what kissing is after raw dogging chi chi at least a dozen times. Dragonbal was saved in the edit.
Cell saga was the perfect ending to Goku's story and passing the torch to his son. Buu saga and onwards was cash grab zombie simpsons tier shit.
8 months ago
Anonymous
>Toriyama wanted to make Gohan the new main character >Autistic Gokugays wouldnt stop complaining about it
The fans ruined the show
8 months ago
Anonymous
>I intended to put Gohan into the leading role. It didn't work out. I felt that compared to Goku, he was ultimately not suited for the part.
Source: Daizenshuu 2 “Super Interview”
stop regurgitating shit you read on leddit
8 months ago
Anonymous
t. autistic Gokugay
8 months ago
Anonymous
>t. rewriting history autist
8 months ago
Anonymous
Don't bother trying to reason with Gohantards, they spent their childhood self inserting as him
8 months ago
Anonymous
Gohan is one of my favorite characters (Trunks is the best) but I’m not going to spread misinformation that I saw on the Abridged subreddit
8 months ago
Anonymous
Its worth noting that toriyama had his most lenient editor during the buu saga, which is partly while its so all over the place as toriyama was just changing his mind constantly without someone there to give him feedback
8 months ago
Anonymous
Yeah, and the Cell editor did in fact convince him to make Cell look less alien-like and more human-looking. He thought that Cell and Imperfect Cell were too ugly.
Which sucks because his monster designs kick ass, I loved Lavos in Chrono Trigger.
8 months ago
Anonymous
Yeah, Cell's first form is still the best shonen villain ever. It should've lasted longer.
8 months ago
Anonymous
This happened to DB like 4 times
8 months ago
Anonymous
The hell are you talking about? No it didn’t.
8 months ago
Anonymous
Frieza saga was the perfect ending to Goku's story, the gaydroids and Frieza but a bugman were shit and Gohan sucked so much as a main character he was canned straight away to bring Goku back
8 months ago
Anonymous
No it wasnt because he was still alove and there was more to see. You cant get better representation of goku and resolution than him dying to self sacrifice to inspire his son. From childhood to death, a completed story. Gohan spin off to follow.
8 months ago
Anonymous
Wtf was there left to see? The androids made by a scientist on Earth who were 5 times stronger than Frieza were a complete asspull, and Dr. Gero himself was never even mentioned before in any arc, like the Red Ribbon arc for example. Goku's character arc would've been completed after the Frieza fight.
8 months ago
Anonymous
>The androids made by a scientist on Earth who were 5 times stronger than Frieza were a complete asspull,
worst asspull of the franchise until resurrection f
8 months ago
Anonymous
>Buu saga and onwards was cash grab
You're a clueless moron if you think like this. 90% of the Cell arc was Toriyama's editors meddling with what he wanted to write in order to better sell the manga. Toriyama clearly had a lot more fun writing the Buu arc.
Goku is the most mary sue character in any work of fiction ever. Even when that fricker dies, he's the strongest in the universe and the show has to be centered around him.
Gohan's a far more compelling character because he's de facto a weaker fighter but his emotion, purity, and complete dedication to fight for good pushes him over the edge to surpass his father. Plus that only happens once, basically every other time he can only hold his own until he gets his ass kicked.
The show should've ended with the Cell saga. It was the logical conclusion of the series.
8 months ago
Anonymous
The only time in the history of the series Goku is the strongest in the universe is when he goes Super Saiyan on Namek >Gohan's a far more compelling character because he's de facto a weaker fighter but his emotion, purity, and complete dedication to fight for good pushes him over the edge to surpass his father
Gohan is not weaker than Goku, his mutt genes means he doesn't even have to train to surpass him. Ultimate Gohan who did no training since Cell died is stronger than SSJ3 Goku who trained while he was fricking dead
8 months ago
Anonymous
>when he goes Super Saiyan on Namek
Not anymore with the retcons
8 months ago
Anonymous
Yes anymore, Beerus being revealed to exist decades later doesn't count because by that logic Buu being sealed in a ball meant Goku was never the strongest in the universe during the Namek saga either
8 months ago
Anonymous
Congrats, you got my point
8 months ago
Anonymous
Been a long time since I watched, what happened to Ultimate Gohan that he jobbed against Buu?
8 months ago
Anonymous
He was beating Buu until he ate piccolo and gotenks. He dropped the potara earring and accidentally got eaten. That’s about it.
8 months ago
Anonymous
That’s fricking dumb as hell.
Fricking Toriyama forcing Goku back into the spotlight.
8 months ago
Anonymous
Buu absorbed Gotenks and then went to town on Gohan's butthole
8 months ago
Anonymous
>DB stans unironically mad that the main character is the center of the show and side villains from 25 years ago
>Honestly when we get toriyama doing what he wants we get super, where goku doesn't even know what kissing is after raw dogging chi chi at least a dozen times.
Goku has a perpetual child-like mind. He cares about fighting and eating, in that order. Intimacy is as appealing to him as it would be a nine year old boy. This is in-character with how he acts. How Chi Chi even managed to extract just two seeds from his dick is a mystery Toriyama will likely never clarify, but hopefully he doesn't, as it is more amusing to wonder
Cell saga was the perfect ending to Goku's story and passing the torch to his son. Buu saga and onwards was cash grab zombie simpsons tier shit.
Boo saga haters are literally the worst fricking shit
It's the essence of Dragon Ball. Funny,stupid, everything. Mr. Satan and fat boo are the fricking best.
Toriyama got progressively worse at dramatic storytelling past Goku vs. Vegeta
8 months ago
Anonymous
Its funny. But it isnt good story telling to bring back goku from the dead again the way they did. Should have just let Gohan be the MC.
8 months ago
Anonymous
>But it isnt good story telling
dude its dragon ball. it never had a good story from the beginning
I really liked him as Imperfect cell. Was cool when it was the other Z fighters trying to take him on and he was almost terminator/horror villain like as he went around absorbing random people. After he absorbs 17 it goes downhill fast though.
It did, but it also had the humans start fighting again and Piccolo finally got a transformation and became relevant again. Hell, in the manga even fricking Chaozu has a fight scene again.
Of course, for any of this to make sense you have to completely disregard power levels, which is fine as its clear that by the Android/Cell saga Toriyama had regretted inventing them and was essentially retconning them out of existence but autistic fans couldn't let them go.
It's a bit hard to accept Roshi fighting alongside goku when he was already surpassed into irrelevance back when I was a kid and the power curve just kept growing exponentially since then, but I try to enjoy it for what it is.
>it was his editor who pretty much dictated that it become "the super sayian show" which Toriyama was clearly never on board with hence why he started using non-sayians in Super again.
The original dragon ball was "the goku show" to a much worse degree than Z was a saiyan show.
>goku hanging out with bulma and oolong >goku hanging out with roshi and kulilin >goku hanging out with android 8 >goku hanging out with yajirobe and korin
Are you saying that Naruto is just the Naruto show too? It’s the main character for christ’s sake.
Those same characters hung out with him in every arc of Z, so what the frick are you whining about?
8 months ago
Anonymous
What are YOU whining about? You complained that it’s the Goku show when he’s the main character, and he’s even constantly with supporting characters. What was even the point of your post?
8 months ago
Anonymous
I'm telling you that you're a moron for claiming that Toriyama was forced to focus on saiyans by the editors.
I still don’t understand why popular mangakas are controlled by their editors
McFarlane threw a fit and quit Marvel for way less interference than what some mangakas have claimed their editors made them do
Because the editors are essentially tard wranglers, and they're employed by the publishers to keep the mangaka producing the story at a steady pace and making sure they don't fly off the handle.
Where'd I say that anon, Buu saga is based and behind only Namek, and I personally think Cell saga is weaker than the Androids saga, especially when it devolves to the Cell games
the whole “editors and producers stifle creativity” thing is a midwit myth. when you actually look at it they do an extremely useful job. they trim tedious self indulgent fat and make sure the entertainment value stays high, they’re quality control when a creators ego is getting in the way of their work. they are extremely necessary and have existed for a long time in the artistic tradition. painters had patrons making sure their work actually got finished and was up to standard. poets had circles of fellow writers who criticised and edited their work
That's why it's always a good thing to get constructive criticism on your work. Some artists can't even handle a little and they make some of the worst shit. Rian Johnson immediately comes to mind.
Nah, you're just moronic. Editors meddling in and forcing you to create shit you don't want is just a way of producing soulless trash for braindead npcs like you to enjoy.
That's why it's always a good thing to get constructive criticism on your work. Some artists can't even handle a little and they make some of the worst shit. Rian Johnson immediately comes to mind.
This isn't the same as "constructive criticism", lmao.
Yeah no except I actually know what i’m talking about, and you have a typically binary mindset like every moron does. Shakespeare didn’t just rattle off a play and send it in, he had a circle of people who criticised his work, gave suggestions, amended and edited. If you look at ANY literary tradition in history beyond surface level you will see how much texts change over time as they come down to us, because people edit them. There is not a single great artist who didn’t have people around them giving constructive criticism and editing for them. Patrons were the painters bosses, not just commissioners, and they were hands on about how quickly the work should be done and what they wanted during the process of composition. This is also the case for musicians, who frick around trying shit out until a producer steps in and gives them a deadline and guidelines to follow. Being a “creative” does not make you some infallible pillar who gets to his audience perfectly every time on the power of his own isolated mind alone. This doesn’t happen. You’re naive probably because you’ve never actually worked creatively at all
>Goku turns super saiyan due to sheer anger then takes about 6 hours to get angry enough to dismember Frieza
Not kino. Naruto would've handled that in a single episode then gone home and fricked Hinata's brains out.
>Naruto would've handled that in a single episode then gone home and fricked Hinata's brains out.
meanwhile nu-goku doesn't even know how to kiss what a virgin.
If you’ve seen Naruto then you know damn well that fricking nothing happens in one episode. It’s 15 minutes of fricking into, recaps, and previews with like 5 minutes of actual show per episode.
Naruto would have spent 20 episodes flashing back to Naruto sitting on that swing and 5 episodes revealing that Frieza's dad once had him in time out for something Cooler actually did so he can be Talked no Justu'd after getting a non-lethal Rasengan to the face.
I don't think you remember just how utter shit the pacing was at times, like the sound invasion of the leaf. The third hokage and orochimaru spend four episodes doing nothing but staring at each other on the roof of the exam arena with one brief guest animator fight segment and naruto spends like two more just staring at half transformed gara in the trees before summoning the toad.
These characters never even interacted with each other before and this pairing makes no sense.
You cuckoldry-obsessed morons are pathetic and embarrassing, lmao.
Bro no one can convince me that Frieza vs Goku isn't the greatest fight in the history of fiction. Just the apocalyptic setting alone looks like a true final battle, fighting in a collapsing planet looked absolutely battle
>Vegeta beaten to death >Krillin literally implodes >Ginyu Force obliterated or frog'd >not to mention Zarbon and Dodoria or Frieza impaling Krillin or TKO'ing Gohan
Part of why the saga is so great I think is because viewers might've felt the big deaths coming after the saiyan saga >Z Fighters exploding left and right
One Piece can be more successful as a live action because there's more focus on characters and story with fights put in to further those. DBZ is all about the cool and ridiculous fights and they would look stupid in live action.
Dragon Ball has always been a martial arts manga. Plus the aliens and etc in Z would be hard to pull off without CG unlike how One Piece’s villains are all fat people or drag queens.
Nope because the show was primarily fights with like 5% story. You would have to dump way too much money into CGI for it to work and no studio would touch it.
What ruined DBZ was the power creeping after Namek.
DBZ was great when we had power levels, scouters, actual strategy in fights and high stakes.
Thats the same thing that ruined Naruto. Why can't show runners and authors keep the balance of the series close to its roots?
Naruto was cool when we had shurikens, kage bunshins, deceptions and minor ninjutsus, not fricking nuclear energy balls flying and spacetime warping and everybody has wings and what not.
>He got beat by Ginyu
He beats Frieza though >He got beat by Perfect Cell.
At worst he fights Cells to a draw and then calls in Gohan
8 months ago
Anonymous
Goku himself tells Piccolo and everyone that he couldn’t beat Perfect Cell and that he was going to stop fighting because it was pointless.
8 months ago
Anonymous
He whoops Cell so hard he gives him a Sensu Bean to recover
8 months ago
Anonymous
This still makes zero sense and anybody who says otherwise is moronic.
8 months ago
Anonymous
Aside from the fact he whooped Cells ass and just wanted Gohan to beat him so he'd realise his potential, thats the entire point of the fricking arc
8 months ago
Anonymous
Congratulations on being moronic. Defeating a tired Cell was something Gohan already thought was beyond him, beating him then would have proved how strong he was to himself and there's no reason to think Goku would not have realized this. I know Goku has a track record of endangering the planet for a good fight, but this is beyond even his regular stupidity.
8 months ago
Anonymous
>Defeating a tired Cell
Goku gives him a sensu bean you pleb
8 months ago
Anonymous
Yes that's the part I'm arguing is dumb. Learn to read homosexual.
8 months ago
Anonymous
Its exactly the same as SSj2 Gohan not killing Cell or SSj3 Goku not killing Buu, Sayians want a challenge
8 months ago
Anonymous
I always figured giving cell a sensu bean was just Goku showing that he was 100% confident in Gohan since no one else wanted gohan to fight.
8 months ago
Anonymous
he’s literally a roid rage monkey and not human. Saiyans are a canonically moronic race.
8 months ago
Anonymous
If cell is tired gohan won’t fight hard. Gohan needs the motivation to fight hard. Giving cell the senzu is the best tactical move. Goku couldn’t beat him and knew gohan has unrealized potential to be stronger than cell. With a healthy cell to frick with everyone watching the fight he might not of had the energy to pop out the cell jrs. Or even if cell doesn’t pop out the jrs, cell will almost kill gohan and push gohan to go ssj2.
8 months ago
Anonymous
Still makes as much sense as Goku not popping a bean after the fight. Which is to say none. Frick the Cell saga, the only reason why it's dick gets ridden so hard is because that when most american kids started watching dragon ball.
8 months ago
Anonymous
>fights cell to a draw
lol maybe in the non canon dbz anime. in kai cell tells goku to take a senzu bean because hes going to beat goku to death and he wants it to be entertaining. even goku is saying he cant win.
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he wasnt holding back either
This still makes zero sense and anybody who says otherwise is moronic.
cell mentions that its because goku is a slave to the better of his nature. the entire arc has people make irrational decisions as their nature betrays their logic. even cell is victim to it as he spares vegetas life and goes easy on gohan and goku. he could have blown up the planet but he hosts the cell games instead. he literally makes the same mistake vegeta makes and actively provokes gohan to go full power.
Lets be honest, gohan being a pacifist pussy was a total retcon. hes been rage boosting at a hairs trigger and fighting courageously for the entire series from raditz to the saiyans to freiza (he literally beats vegeta). he fought recoom till he couldnt move a muscle anymore and he fought frieza. he then fought vegeta on earth after he was revived. Theres no reason why it should have taken gohan so long to start fighting cell. the senzu bean wouldnt have looked that bad if gohan acted in character
Because he wanted Gohan to get the win. Like a mama cat bringing her kitten an injured mouse. Except Goku is a fighting autist so he gave cell a senzu bean.
Goku loses to half the main villains in Z >Vegeta
Can’t beat him solo, incapacitated in the fight >Frieza
Wins >Cell
Straight up loses, dies >Buu
Requires Vegeta to stall and Hercule to convince everyone to help make the spirit bomb, and on top if that needs a wish from the dragonballs to be restored to full power
Power levels are detrimental to strategy in fights. Power levels are just “this guy’s number is higher so he’s gonna win.” Toriyama stopped using them because you autists focused on them more than the actual fights.
Very cool. I remember loving the trunks vs frieza episodes as a kid. I rewatched Z this year assuming I'd feel differently but they're still some of my favorites.
Swords are cool. I use Tapion's Sword in XV2 with a bunch of Trunks sword skills. and his eyes are teal because he's so powerful that he's in a permanent state of semi-super saiyan
Maybe you should consider the fact that you might be gay
DBS Broly is the best movie.
My two other favs are the first Cooler one and Wrath of the Dragon.
>broly is invincible, nobody hurts him for the entire film >at the very end when everyone is beaten to a pulp they give goku their energy and he 1 shots broly with power he got from all the nearly dead guys
sure was satisfying
All saiyans are pretty evil and Broly was just saiyan to the max tbh
8 months ago
Anonymous
Nah he was just an autist who was triggered by a crying baby. Paragus didn’t deserve such a moronic son.
8 months ago
Anonymous
goku has brain damage but what is vegeta's excuse to stop being evil?
8 months ago
Anonymous
Humbling.
8 months ago
Anonymous
I liked it when he ate that crab alive in two bites. It emphasized how fricking sick and twisted he truly was. Like he went from a wine dinking emperor with manners to a savage once he got fired up
8 months ago
Anonymous
Being shit talked or pushed around by a monkey will most likely make anyone upset.
Fusion Reborn and Wrath of the Dragon are great. All three Broly movies are on the same tier as each other, which is basically the bottom. Cooler, 13, and Bojack movies are good. Not Metal Cooler thoughever. Tullece is cool but his movie is too long. Slug is a ripoff of Piccolo Daimaō but his movie is pretty good. Garlic Jr and Uiro are neat for being their own thing disconnected from later Z lore, but still end up being weaker than any later movie, though Dead Zone is probably better than the Broly trilogy.
Kami to Kami, Super: Broly, and Super Hero are the best DB content.
This is how I imagined Goku/Bejita turning SSGSS should've been the first time it happened. This just looks too badass to have fit in with Super at the time they achieved it so I'm glad they did the form justice in the movie. I liked older Broly because of the pure chaos and destruction but the transformations and Broly getting BTFO by Gogeta made the newer movie pretty good. Also, >gohangays gayging up the thread like usual
He was born to job, deal with it. He at least doesn't go out first in ToP in Super like I was expecting.
>my opinion is better than yours! My stereotyping also makes me smart
It looks good objectively, what shit do you watch? Animation is usually horrid nowadays, the movie is basically like old DBZ movies but with updated graphics.
this was a moronic moment. gohan never had any trouble getting angry and the only time he was scared of fighting was the saibamen. of all the characters to die and inspire gohan to go beyond super saiyan its the android that had borderline zero story relevance and only existed to kill goku for gero. he hadnt even confronted gohan before this moment. he only got to turn ssj2 because cell was trying his hardest to make it happen. then once hes ssj2 its not like theres even a fight the same way there was for super saiyan goku and full power frieza. he just. mogs cell for a minute then beam clashes super perfect cell. honestly everything about ssj2 pisses me off.
Yeah, I get where you're coming from anon, but the best fight in the series happened while Veggie and Carrot were in SS2, so whatever. the form has zero impact on the fight and could have been drawn in normal super sayian or even in base form
Why the frick does everyone need a "hot take" about shounen manga? And it's not just a normal opinion like "oh yeah I like two towers more than fellowship" they get seriously heated about it
>be vegeta wanting immortality >Fail on namek, die, get revived back on earth >Woman who can locate all dragonballs on earth immediately wants your seed >Give it to her >Instead of trying to get immortality just decide to train forever >Dont even think to use a wish along the lines of "tell me how i can become a super saiyan/ stronger than kakarot"
Vegeta was never above using cheap tactics to win, he wasn't some honorable guy like gokek so why didnt he at least think to try any one of these? You will let a tiny green midget invade your mind (and body lol) but you won't at least try using the dragonballs for yourself???
>Random scientist never named before in the series makes a collection of robots who are all more powerful than the ruler of the known universe while living in a cave, purely out of spite for a 12 year old child >His computer then designs and creates a being even more powerful than that
was it kino?
>we need to take goku out of the picture because he would completely frick mecha frieza androids 16 17 and 18 imperfect cell and gero >uhhh heart hurt bad
>Goku you are totally going to get really sick in the future if you don't take this bro >*gives him the vax* >Goku has a heart attack
Did you know Trunks was a Pfizer employee?
Really when you think about it Frieza didn't do anything wrong.
He missed one monkey. That was a grievous mistake on his part.
>one
He kept a bunch of them alive for whatever reason
Also a mistake but they were on leashes, at least.
They were his slaves
he got too wienery
He relaxed around Vegeta and that led him straight to Goku. Never relax around monkeys
killing the nemekians before learning how to use the dragon balls wasn't so great he barely even tortured them for the info
what did frieza get out of being a tyrannical warlord? he didn’t even govern, he just sold planets to merchants.
He actually kept some planets for himself and named them planet frieza 1, 2 , 3 etc
for what purpose? why not just conquer the merchants? were they more powerful than frieza?
He loves the free market.
He sells some he keeps some. Obviously he keeps planets like earth and sells shitholes like planet Vegeta. Now that i think about it he's a tyranical emperor and shit but apparently being a member of the frieza army ain't too bad, it pays good, the food is good, they have the best medical treatment in the universe for free etc.
why does frieza need money?
To buy more scouters.
To pay his personal army
>why does he need a personal army
He views the universe as one big game of civilization and is going for a military victory
For the same reason every emperor in history took more territory and money even if they had more than enough, for glory and power. It's not about having a big dick, it's all about making everyone know you have the biggest dick
but those emperors were all vulnerable humans, not basically literal gods.
So you think he should just sit in a shack? Work at a factory?
he should be tripping on drugs 24/7 as hs gallivants across the universe doing whatever he wants as an unstoppable force of nature
There's no fun on just killing everyone, that's why he never got his hands dirty until the space monkeys pissed him off. Who's gonna spread the word of your might and glory if you kill everyone? See, he wouldn't shut up about being the emperor of the universe when fighting Goku which means the title and prestige meant a lot to to him.
>expecting a megalomaniac to not behave like a megalomaniac
To pay the expenses for his floating baby crib he likes to sit in so much despite the fact he can fly
Wow it's almost like democracy is fricking garbage and an empire is the way to go.
Most normal post in an anime thread
He was Emperor of the universe. If he wanted to take back the planets he sold who the frick would stop him, he just liked being the boss
Freiza's empire didn't seem especially evil or cruel. Anyone who bent the knee was just incorporated into it and they didn't seem to really be doing anything but going around adding more planets to the empire. With all the power reliant totally on Freiza's family eventually they just would've collapsed when some random stronger being came along and killed them (which probably wouldn't have been long off - an above average scientist on some backwater planet was capable of building robots that were millions of power levels stronger than Freiza so it was just a matter of time) and life would go on.
In fact being part of Freiza's army seems like it'd be pretty comfy. You and the boys just going around kicking ass and if you get hurt they have amazing medical technology which can heal you from death's door within an hour. And it's 100% meritocratic so the more skilled and devoted you are the higher you rise. Literally better than any system of government on earth.
I would love to work for Frieza but c’mon, they wipe all life from the surface of a planet before selling it.
Just really suck up. Create statues of Freeza on the surface. Send really motivated fighters to his army. His ego would keep your species around.
I wonder if the Raspberry squad and Recoome came from the same race of humanoid alien race.
And rename your planet to planet frieza 500 and make frieza your new king
>(which probably wouldn't have been long off - an above average scientist on some backwater planet was capable of building robots that were millions of power levels stronger than Freiza so it was just a matter of time)
Freeza would do 10 push ups and kill them.
das rite, he was just acting on the orders his universe's God of Destruction. The dumb guy from Dragon Ball Super Stupid told him to blow up planet Vegeta because King Vegeta stole his blanket or something.
>Super Stupid
what are you, 5 lol
>more like Dragon Ball GayTurd
Super isn't amazing by any means by the later sagas (Goku Black, the pre tournament of power tournament, and 2nd half of ToP) make up for the shitty start, imo. Goku Black felt fresh and actually intimidating since the heroes lost I think twice. ToP was good because it included most the main heroes and the ending with Frieza and Goku, albeit a little fanservice, was enjoyable.
>muh Frieza is evil tho! He killed people!
Yeah and they don't treat him like a hero the whole fricking time. It's made clear he's in it for himself, he's just a good fighter and no one wants to be erased.
Frieza even beats the shit out of Gohan in the ToP for fun.
Lmao I remember that. Fricking self righteous Gohan had it coming though, Frieza should've eliminated him.
>nearly let's Piccolo die
>Piccolo has to kidnap Pan in order for Gohan to get uncucked
Gohan is more of a Mary sue than anyone. Fricker sits on his ass since ToP after claiming he'll try hard AT LEAST twice in Super just to get a massive power up out of nowhere. Goku and Vegeta at least had some reasoning besides muh daughter. Super Hero felt more like a Piccolo movie and I'm okay with that.
literally even worse than GT
>Goku Black felt fresh
No? His arc was easily one of the worst arcs in the entire series. Zamasu and Black were lame morons that were constantly spewing pseudo-intellectual garbage, Vegito is treated like a joke and his inclusion also introduced that shitty potara retcon, the entire concept of the arc feels like fanfiction (Future Trunks comes back to get help to beat Evil Goku) and everything about its ending was straight up terrible.
>and actually intimidating since the heroes lost I think twice.
That's because of how shitty the pacing of the arc is and how they went 3 times into the future with no consequences whatsoever. What a moronic take, lmao.
>the entire concept of the arc feels like fanfiction
you're reading DBS
of course its fanfiction
fricking moronic Black person
Beerus told him about the legend, he manipulated him
Cinemaphile losers (Cinemaphile psychos, 99% of posters) love Freeza the looooser.
he fricked up by killing krillin
He seems like a very chill boss to work for.
Anon, he killed innocent people.
Did anyone else think Frieza's final form was a girl as a kid and get confused?
considering who the VA was, yeah i was always a bit confused. i preferred genkai as the voice of freiza than the other gay british homosexual they gave him for kai or whatever the frick
That was the intention from what I understand. The write, who I can't remember his name, thought that nonbinary people were scary, hence Frieza as the villain.
nonbinary wasn't a fricking thing in 1990 you history rewriting zoomer.
>thought
impling they aren't
no he didn’t you dumbass, did you hear that on the playground?
You don't know who fricking akira toriyama is and you want to talk about dragon ball?
i don't speak chinese all those names sound the same to me
>thought that nonbinary people were scary
nah it was already a theme in japanese culture for hundreds of years and took inspiration from that
eunuchs being evil has been a thing since before the roman empire. And they still are. When you remove a person's ability to reproduce, they no longer fixate on the long term, they no longer care about the future. At least, not the future of others. In their old age, a man will plan for his family. He will do things that benefit not himself, but his descendents. He will abstain from behaving wontonly, he will conserve resources, he will invest in things and plant trees whose fruits he wont live long enough to enjoy.
But the eunuch does not. Why do so many eunuchs kill themselves? Because they only care about themselves, and when they feel they cant get anymore benefits or enjoyment, or advancement for themselves, they simply end their lives. The eunuch lives in the moment, and when they die their wealth and power are automatically returned to the state. This is why the elite love cutting people's dicks off, and this is why community minded regular people despise them. When you cut your dick off, you become a monster. Eunuchs claim the world is out to get them, because they are reflecting their own desires. Eunuchs pretend everyone wants to cause them harm, because the eunuch is more than willing to harm others for their own ends. The world revolves around them, and the world ends with them. A eunuch that doesnt appear to be evil, simply hasnt been given the oppertunity to be so. They havent reached a high enough place in society to act upon their impulses, so they quitely bide their time, waiting for a chance to strike out at society.
Freeza encapsulates this ideology. He's selfish, he's vain. He's a feminine man that has the power to kill who he wants, and takes what he wants. And he has no regard to the future conseuqences of his actions because he lives entirely in the present like a standard court eunuch.
Absolutely true
False. they used to purposely castrate people just to use them as singers.
Castrato=/=eunich
Castratos were before puberty, eunichs were after specifically to shrivel the dick, moron. And castrato's were solely for singing, eunichs had a much different role. Frick you're stupid.
I don't recall reading about many historical eunuchs committing suicide, unless the alternative was impending execution. Usually they got murdered by big men with swords because they used their immense political power to ruin lives or have other important people executed.
What does this say about the people who historically castrated young boys?
This dude meant to say andorgenous instead of nonbinary but hes probably a dumb zoomer though he is right about friezas final form design
i thought his 1st form was a girl as a kid
I thought double d from ed edd n eddy was a girl
same
what made you think that?
Hopefully you stopped being transphobic.
I don't know why but when I was a kid I thought he was the trans villain from The Powerpuff Girls.
I think there was this rumor going around the schoolyard but I don't remember exactly
him getting sliced in half by trunks was way more kino
HEY FRIEZA
>looks up
HIYAAAAAAAAAAAAA
I remember seeing that shit live on Toonami as a kid and it was like the sickest shit I'd ever seen at the time.
Nothing in my life has ever matched how it felt getting home from school just in time to catch the new episode of DBZ.
yup, watching the frieza saga as it released was so fricking hype
Goku avenged his best fren (he thought lost forever) using one of his trademark technique.
Kino?
>wishes him back 5 episodes later
*sigh* dragonball would have been some real kino if they were willing to take chances. But it has been going on for 40 years so I guess keeping krillin and everybody alive was a good call.
Toriyama originally planned on having Vegeta's death at the hands of Freeza to be permanent, but his editor talked him out of it since Vegeta was already such a popular character.
If you read back all the old interviews his editor forced him to change a lot of things, and it was his editor who pretty much dictated that it become "the super sayian show" which Toriyama was clearly never on board with hence why he started using non-sayians in Super again.
I heard the editor also made 16/17/18 and Cell a thing because he didn't like dr gero and the fat white guy. so he's right about some things.
Honestly when we get toriyama doing what he wants we get super, where goku doesn't even know what kissing is after raw dogging chi chi at least a dozen times. Dragonbal was saved in the edit.
Cell Saga is by far the weakest part of Z
>but muh Gohan
Nobody cares about Gohan
Buu is far more cringe, the best part of Buu is Vegeta being the GOAT as usual
God damn the english dub is so FRICKING GOOD
that video was horrid
Like you
I think I finally understand
Welcome to the Vegeta club anon
You mean the strongest part
Cell saga was the perfect ending to Goku's story and passing the torch to his son. Buu saga and onwards was cash grab zombie simpsons tier shit.
>Toriyama wanted to make Gohan the new main character
>Autistic Gokugays wouldnt stop complaining about it
The fans ruined the show
>I intended to put Gohan into the leading role. It didn't work out. I felt that compared to Goku, he was ultimately not suited for the part.
Source: Daizenshuu 2 “Super Interview”
stop regurgitating shit you read on leddit
t. autistic Gokugay
>t. rewriting history autist
Don't bother trying to reason with Gohantards, they spent their childhood self inserting as him
Gohan is one of my favorite characters (Trunks is the best) but I’m not going to spread misinformation that I saw on the Abridged subreddit
Its worth noting that toriyama had his most lenient editor during the buu saga, which is partly while its so all over the place as toriyama was just changing his mind constantly without someone there to give him feedback
Yeah, and the Cell editor did in fact convince him to make Cell look less alien-like and more human-looking. He thought that Cell and Imperfect Cell were too ugly.
Which sucks because his monster designs kick ass, I loved Lavos in Chrono Trigger.
Yeah, Cell's first form is still the best shonen villain ever. It should've lasted longer.
This happened to DB like 4 times
The hell are you talking about? No it didn’t.
Frieza saga was the perfect ending to Goku's story, the gaydroids and Frieza but a bugman were shit and Gohan sucked so much as a main character he was canned straight away to bring Goku back
No it wasnt because he was still alove and there was more to see. You cant get better representation of goku and resolution than him dying to self sacrifice to inspire his son. From childhood to death, a completed story. Gohan spin off to follow.
Wtf was there left to see? The androids made by a scientist on Earth who were 5 times stronger than Frieza were a complete asspull, and Dr. Gero himself was never even mentioned before in any arc, like the Red Ribbon arc for example. Goku's character arc would've been completed after the Frieza fight.
>The androids made by a scientist on Earth who were 5 times stronger than Frieza were a complete asspull,
worst asspull of the franchise until resurrection f
>Buu saga and onwards was cash grab
You're a clueless moron if you think like this. 90% of the Cell arc was Toriyama's editors meddling with what he wanted to write in order to better sell the manga. Toriyama clearly had a lot more fun writing the Buu arc.
Goku is the most mary sue character in any work of fiction ever. Even when that fricker dies, he's the strongest in the universe and the show has to be centered around him.
Gohan's a far more compelling character because he's de facto a weaker fighter but his emotion, purity, and complete dedication to fight for good pushes him over the edge to surpass his father. Plus that only happens once, basically every other time he can only hold his own until he gets his ass kicked.
The show should've ended with the Cell saga. It was the logical conclusion of the series.
The only time in the history of the series Goku is the strongest in the universe is when he goes Super Saiyan on Namek
>Gohan's a far more compelling character because he's de facto a weaker fighter but his emotion, purity, and complete dedication to fight for good pushes him over the edge to surpass his father
Gohan is not weaker than Goku, his mutt genes means he doesn't even have to train to surpass him. Ultimate Gohan who did no training since Cell died is stronger than SSJ3 Goku who trained while he was fricking dead
>when he goes Super Saiyan on Namek
Not anymore with the retcons
Yes anymore, Beerus being revealed to exist decades later doesn't count because by that logic Buu being sealed in a ball meant Goku was never the strongest in the universe during the Namek saga either
Congrats, you got my point
Been a long time since I watched, what happened to Ultimate Gohan that he jobbed against Buu?
He was beating Buu until he ate piccolo and gotenks. He dropped the potara earring and accidentally got eaten. That’s about it.
That’s fricking dumb as hell.
Fricking Toriyama forcing Goku back into the spotlight.
Buu absorbed Gotenks and then went to town on Gohan's butthole
>DB stans unironically mad that the main character is the center of the show and side villains from 25 years ago
>Honestly when we get toriyama doing what he wants we get super, where goku doesn't even know what kissing is after raw dogging chi chi at least a dozen times.
Goku has a perpetual child-like mind. He cares about fighting and eating, in that order. Intimacy is as appealing to him as it would be a nine year old boy. This is in-character with how he acts. How Chi Chi even managed to extract just two seeds from his dick is a mystery Toriyama will likely never clarify, but hopefully he doesn't, as it is more amusing to wonder
Boo saga haters are literally the worst fricking shit
It's the essence of Dragon Ball. Funny,stupid, everything. Mr. Satan and fat boo are the fricking best.
Toriyama got progressively worse at dramatic storytelling past Goku vs. Vegeta
Its funny. But it isnt good story telling to bring back goku from the dead again the way they did. Should have just let Gohan be the MC.
>But it isnt good story telling
dude its dragon ball. it never had a good story from the beginning
>Goku has a perpetual child-like mind
So is Chi Chi a rapist then?
yeah and vegeta is an animal and bulma likes it
like ranma having sex when turning into a girl, you are not supposed to think about it
Cell was easily the worst major villain in Z so I don't know what the hell you're on about.
I really liked him as Imperfect cell. Was cool when it was the other Z fighters trying to take him on and he was almost terminator/horror villain like as he went around absorbing random people. After he absorbs 17 it goes downhill fast though.
Super introduced more saiyan transformations than Z
>God
>Blue
>Super blue
>Rose
>Beast
It did, but it also had the humans start fighting again and Piccolo finally got a transformation and became relevant again. Hell, in the manga even fricking Chaozu has a fight scene again.
Of course, for any of this to make sense you have to completely disregard power levels, which is fine as its clear that by the Android/Cell saga Toriyama had regretted inventing them and was essentially retconning them out of existence but autistic fans couldn't let them go.
It's a bit hard to accept Roshi fighting alongside goku when he was already surpassed into irrelevance back when I was a kid and the power curve just kept growing exponentially since then, but I try to enjoy it for what it is.
>it was his editor who pretty much dictated that it become "the super sayian show" which Toriyama was clearly never on board with hence why he started using non-sayians in Super again.
The original dragon ball was "the goku show" to a much worse degree than Z was a saiyan show.
What's wrong with a show having a protagonist?
You're the one who thinks it's wrong.
>goku hanging out with bulma and oolong
>goku hanging out with roshi and kulilin
>goku hanging out with android 8
>goku hanging out with yajirobe and korin
Are you saying that Naruto is just the Naruto show too? It’s the main character for christ’s sake.
Those same characters hung out with him in every arc of Z, so what the frick are you whining about?
What are YOU whining about? You complained that it’s the Goku show when he’s the main character, and he’s even constantly with supporting characters. What was even the point of your post?
I'm telling you that you're a moron for claiming that Toriyama was forced to focus on saiyans by the editors.
That was the other anon, and I agree with you.
nuh uh
I still don’t understand why popular mangakas are controlled by their editors
McFarlane threw a fit and quit Marvel for way less interference than what some mangakas have claimed their editors made them do
Editors are always right.
Because the editors are essentially tard wranglers, and they're employed by the publishers to keep the mangaka producing the story at a steady pace and making sure they don't fly off the handle.
>not liking Toriyama unchained
Pleb
Where'd I say that anon, Buu saga is based and behind only Namek, and I personally think Cell saga is weaker than the Androids saga, especially when it devolves to the Cell games
the whole “editors and producers stifle creativity” thing is a midwit myth. when you actually look at it they do an extremely useful job. they trim tedious self indulgent fat and make sure the entertainment value stays high, they’re quality control when a creators ego is getting in the way of their work. they are extremely necessary and have existed for a long time in the artistic tradition. painters had patrons making sure their work actually got finished and was up to standard. poets had circles of fellow writers who criticised and edited their work
That's why it's always a good thing to get constructive criticism on your work. Some artists can't even handle a little and they make some of the worst shit. Rian Johnson immediately comes to mind.
Nah, you're just moronic. Editors meddling in and forcing you to create shit you don't want is just a way of producing soulless trash for braindead npcs like you to enjoy.
This isn't the same as "constructive criticism", lmao.
Yeah no except I actually know what i’m talking about, and you have a typically binary mindset like every moron does. Shakespeare didn’t just rattle off a play and send it in, he had a circle of people who criticised his work, gave suggestions, amended and edited. If you look at ANY literary tradition in history beyond surface level you will see how much texts change over time as they come down to us, because people edit them. There is not a single great artist who didn’t have people around them giving constructive criticism and editing for them. Patrons were the painters bosses, not just commissioners, and they were hands on about how quickly the work should be done and what they wanted during the process of composition. This is also the case for musicians, who frick around trying shit out until a producer steps in and gives them a deadline and guidelines to follow. Being a “creative” does not make you some infallible pillar who gets to his audience perfectly every time on the power of his own isolated mind alone. This doesn’t happen. You’re naive probably because you’ve never actually worked creatively at all
Those were Freeza's disks.
Yes sirs
>Goku turns super saiyan due to sheer anger then takes about 6 hours to get angry enough to dismember Frieza
Not kino. Naruto would've handled that in a single episode then gone home and fricked Hinata's brains out.
>Naruto would've handled that in a single episode then gone home and fricked Hinata's brains out.
meanwhile nu-goku doesn't even know how to kiss what a virgin.
If you’ve seen Naruto then you know damn well that fricking nothing happens in one episode. It’s 15 minutes of fricking into, recaps, and previews with like 5 minutes of actual show per episode.
So it's exactly like Dragonball Z?
Are you fricking moronic? Frieza dismembered himself. Goku didn't want to kill him and tried to spare him until the very end.
>Freeza was the coolest guy!
How can he be the coolest when his brother is cooler buttmunch?
we would spend at least 20 episodes on filler fights or flashbacks during the fight
Naruto would have spent 20 episodes flashing back to Naruto sitting on that swing and 5 episodes revealing that Frieza's dad once had him in time out for something Cooler actually did so he can be Talked no Justu'd after getting a non-lethal Rasengan to the face.
I don't think you remember just how utter shit the pacing was at times, like the sound invasion of the leaf. The third hokage and orochimaru spend four episodes doing nothing but staring at each other on the roof of the exam arena with one brief guest animator fight segment and naruto spends like two more just staring at half transformed gara in the trees before summoning the toad.
>frick Hinata's brains out.
*ahem*
that's my job, lil bro
Why can't that homosexual korean get over it.
These characters never even interacted with each other before and this pairing makes no sense.
You cuckoldry-obsessed morons are pathetic and embarrassing, lmao.
the pacing in the comic is much better
what often takes entire episodes in the anime can often be as few as 4 or 5 pages in the manga
>The planet will blow up in 5 minutes!
10x 30 minute episodes later.
Why no guts?
They were in the manga, anime got censored.
Bro no one can convince me that Frieza vs Goku isn't the greatest fight in the history of fiction. Just the apocalyptic setting alone looks like a true final battle, fighting in a collapsing planet looked absolutely battle
Absolutely badass*
It's a kids/teenager show and the scene was already gruesome enough. The death scenes in the Namek saga are fricking brutal.
>Vegeta beaten to death
>Krillin literally implodes
>Ginyu Force obliterated or frog'd
>not to mention Zarbon and Dodoria or Frieza impaling Krillin or TKO'ing Gohan
Part of why the saga is so great I think is because viewers might've felt the big deaths coming after the saiyan saga
>Z Fighters exploding left and right
-INGEN
>Godly society has fallen, quadrillions must die
>-IGGER
Quite the last word frieza. I respect it.
Name a single more KINO DBZ moment
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>all of dragon balls best moments are when a character attacks another character and it doesnt actually change anything
this happens way too much
filler is killer
Would a live action Dragon Ball Z series be better than One Piece? The CGI needed to pull it properly exists today.
One Piece can be more successful as a live action because there's more focus on characters and story with fights put in to further those. DBZ is all about the cool and ridiculous fights and they would look stupid in live action.
Dragon Ball has always been a martial arts manga. Plus the aliens and etc in Z would be hard to pull off without CG unlike how One Piece’s villains are all fat people or drag queens.
Nope because the show was primarily fights with like 5% story. You would have to dump way too much money into CGI for it to work and no studio would touch it.
>Is the best film and best DBZ content in your path
Based.
>Features both SSJ3 and Fusion doing something useful
Yup, it’s Kino
Why does Toriyama hate Vegeta so much despite the fact he's clearly the GOAT character?
What ruined DBZ was the power creeping after Namek.
DBZ was great when we had power levels, scouters, actual strategy in fights and high stakes.
Thats the same thing that ruined Naruto. Why can't show runners and authors keep the balance of the series close to its roots?
Naruto was cool when we had shurikens, kage bunshins, deceptions and minor ninjutsus, not fricking nuclear energy balls flying and spacetime warping and everybody has wings and what not.
Power levels going up didn't change anything about how fights went down.
But every fight is Goku strongest he wins in the end
Goku wasn't overpowered on the Freeza saga
you guys need to watch the ginyu force arc again and rethink your opinions
But Goku is the strongest and wins in the end
He got beat by Ginyu. He got beat by Perfect Cell.
>He got beat by Ginyu
He beats Frieza though
>He got beat by Perfect Cell.
At worst he fights Cells to a draw and then calls in Gohan
Goku himself tells Piccolo and everyone that he couldn’t beat Perfect Cell and that he was going to stop fighting because it was pointless.
He whoops Cell so hard he gives him a Sensu Bean to recover
This still makes zero sense and anybody who says otherwise is moronic.
Aside from the fact he whooped Cells ass and just wanted Gohan to beat him so he'd realise his potential, thats the entire point of the fricking arc
Congratulations on being moronic. Defeating a tired Cell was something Gohan already thought was beyond him, beating him then would have proved how strong he was to himself and there's no reason to think Goku would not have realized this. I know Goku has a track record of endangering the planet for a good fight, but this is beyond even his regular stupidity.
>Defeating a tired Cell
Goku gives him a sensu bean you pleb
Yes that's the part I'm arguing is dumb. Learn to read homosexual.
Its exactly the same as SSj2 Gohan not killing Cell or SSj3 Goku not killing Buu, Sayians want a challenge
I always figured giving cell a sensu bean was just Goku showing that he was 100% confident in Gohan since no one else wanted gohan to fight.
he’s literally a roid rage monkey and not human. Saiyans are a canonically moronic race.
If cell is tired gohan won’t fight hard. Gohan needs the motivation to fight hard. Giving cell the senzu is the best tactical move. Goku couldn’t beat him and knew gohan has unrealized potential to be stronger than cell. With a healthy cell to frick with everyone watching the fight he might not of had the energy to pop out the cell jrs. Or even if cell doesn’t pop out the jrs, cell will almost kill gohan and push gohan to go ssj2.
Still makes as much sense as Goku not popping a bean after the fight. Which is to say none. Frick the Cell saga, the only reason why it's dick gets ridden so hard is because that when most american kids started watching dragon ball.
>fights cell to a draw
lol maybe in the non canon dbz anime. in kai cell tells goku to take a senzu bean because hes going to beat goku to death and he wants it to be entertaining. even goku is saying he cant win.
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he wasnt holding back either
cell mentions that its because goku is a slave to the better of his nature. the entire arc has people make irrational decisions as their nature betrays their logic. even cell is victim to it as he spares vegetas life and goes easy on gohan and goku. he could have blown up the planet but he hosts the cell games instead. he literally makes the same mistake vegeta makes and actively provokes gohan to go full power.
Lets be honest, gohan being a pacifist pussy was a total retcon. hes been rage boosting at a hairs trigger and fighting courageously for the entire series from raditz to the saiyans to freiza (he literally beats vegeta). he fought recoom till he couldnt move a muscle anymore and he fought frieza. he then fought vegeta on earth after he was revived. Theres no reason why it should have taken gohan so long to start fighting cell. the senzu bean wouldnt have looked that bad if gohan acted in character
Goku gives up and says he can’t beat Perfect Cell.
So you’re wrong.
Because he wanted Gohan to get the win. Like a mama cat bringing her kitten an injured mouse. Except Goku is a fighting autist so he gave cell a senzu bean.
That doesn't contradict the fact that Goku wasn't strong enough to beat that version of Cell
That's not how Cell or Buu went down, both of them were defeated by THE UNDEFEATED MARTIAL ARTS CHAMPION, HERCULE SATAN!
SSJ 3 Goku could have easily beat fat Buu, he just didnt want to
>Frieza
Trunks
>Cell
Gohan
>Buu
Hercule Satan
Goku never finished a main villain in Z
Goku loses to half the main villains in Z
>Vegeta
Can’t beat him solo, incapacitated in the fight
>Frieza
Wins
>Cell
Straight up loses, dies
>Buu
Requires Vegeta to stall and Hercule to convince everyone to help make the spirit bomb, and on top if that needs a wish from the dragonballs to be restored to full power
Power levels are detrimental to strategy in fights. Power levels are just “this guy’s number is higher so he’s gonna win.” Toriyama stopped using them because you autists focused on them more than the actual fights.
The only time power creep was fun was Gurren Laggan because it became a joke itself that they were literally throwing galaxies at eachother
dick status?
never had one in the first place, it's a kid's cartoon
>OH N-
Why does he need a sword if he's a super saiyan?
It's cool.
Very cool. I remember loving the trunks vs frieza episodes as a kid. I rewatched Z this year assuming I'd feel differently but they're still some of my favorites.
His mom gave him that sword before she died
Toriyama got dragon quest and dragon ball confused for a bit
Swords are cool. I use Tapion's Sword in XV2 with a bunch of Trunks sword skills.
and his eyes are teal because he's so powerful that he's in a permanent state of semi-super saiyan
Mecha Freeza is underrated
Based. Looks really unique but obviously isn’t used much and is a nice foreshadowing to the Androids.
I love Toriyama’s coloring and shading.
is frieza a girl
he’s non binary
Yes.
at what point did goku go from being naive and good natured but still capable of rational reactions to the things that were happening to full moron
Super.
He didn't let his friends jump in to help against Picollo Jr because he wanted to beat him by tournament rules.
He could've kicked Piccolo's ass at any point but he was worried about kami
was frieza trans? did he cut off his genitals?
He probably never had any genitals despite wearing underwear. We never see any females of his species in canon and non canon.
You know, maybe they just didn't wanna show and adult male's dong on tv? Zoomers i swear
then give him clothes?
He wouldn't have looked as cool tbh. Just imagine perfect cell and frieza with gis. Laaaame
every dragonball movie is a giant pile of shit and i have no idea why people like broly
You are so stupid, how is this shit?
>60FPS
And?
do not notice shit like this
Moron
m8, if you unironically watch anime in 60fps you should fricking have a nice day
Kino
You morons are the lowest common denominators.
What you gonna do about it? Go to his house and kick his ass?
>his fricking skin explodes off
>he has new clothes underneath
>60fps
good morning sir. have you shitted in the street yet today?
DBS Broly is the best movie in the franchise by far. But Z Broly was moronic, I agree.
>broly is invincible, nobody hurts him for the entire film
>at the very end when everyone is beaten to a pulp they give goku their energy and he 1 shots broly with power he got from all the nearly dead guys
sure was satisfying
That’s the DBZ Broly. We’re talking about the DBS Broly. Everyone loves the DBS Broly movie. You might be confused
>sure was satisfying
Yup and better than gay nu Broly. He's le good because... he just is OKAY!
>old Broly is le devil because…he just is OKAY!
No, it's because a baby hecking cried next to him!
All saiyans are pretty evil and Broly was just saiyan to the max tbh
Nah he was just an autist who was triggered by a crying baby. Paragus didn’t deserve such a moronic son.
goku has brain damage but what is vegeta's excuse to stop being evil?
Humbling.
I liked it when he ate that crab alive in two bites. It emphasized how fricking sick and twisted he truly was. Like he went from a wine dinking emperor with manners to a savage once he got fired up
Being shit talked or pushed around by a monkey will most likely make anyone upset.
Bejitasisters...
Maybe you should consider the fact that you might be gay
DBS Broly is the best movie.
My two other favs are the first Cooler one and Wrath of the Dragon.
Fusion Reborn and Wrath of the Dragon are great. All three Broly movies are on the same tier as each other, which is basically the bottom. Cooler, 13, and Bojack movies are good. Not Metal Cooler thoughever. Tullece is cool but his movie is too long. Slug is a ripoff of Piccolo Daimaō but his movie is pretty good. Garlic Jr and Uiro are neat for being their own thing disconnected from later Z lore, but still end up being weaker than any later movie, though Dead Zone is probably better than the Broly trilogy.
Kami to Kami, Super: Broly, and Super Hero are the best DB content.
This is how I imagined Goku/Bejita turning SSGSS should've been the first time it happened. This just looks too badass to have fit in with Super at the time they achieved it so I'm glad they did the form justice in the movie. I liked older Broly because of the pure chaos and destruction but the transformations and Broly getting BTFO by Gogeta made the newer movie pretty good. Also,
>gohangays gayging up the thread like usual
He was born to job, deal with it. He at least doesn't go out first in ToP in Super like I was expecting.
>He was born to job, deal with it.
Explain Super Hero then, gayola.
ugly and gay and if you think this is cool ur hispanic
I think this is cool
>my opinion is better than yours! My stereotyping also makes me smart
It looks good objectively, what shit do you watch? Animation is usually horrid nowadays, the movie is basically like old DBZ movies but with updated graphics.
jerk
Wrong board
Wrong board
Wrong board
I always thought destructo disks were frickin cool.
tranime
Wrong board
>RAPEDman spam
>B-BEJITA, I SHIT MY DIAPER AGAIN!!
WTF is this real?
yep toriyama drew it in the old folks home before he had his diaper changed
this was a moronic moment. gohan never had any trouble getting angry and the only time he was scared of fighting was the saibamen. of all the characters to die and inspire gohan to go beyond super saiyan its the android that had borderline zero story relevance and only existed to kill goku for gero. he hadnt even confronted gohan before this moment. he only got to turn ssj2 because cell was trying his hardest to make it happen. then once hes ssj2 its not like theres even a fight the same way there was for super saiyan goku and full power frieza. he just. mogs cell for a minute then beam clashes super perfect cell. honestly everything about ssj2 pisses me off.
Yeah, I get where you're coming from anon, but the best fight in the series happened while Veggie and Carrot were in SS2, so whatever. the form has zero impact on the fight and could have been drawn in normal super sayian or even in base form
Buu saga is Kino.
>original DB manga
>Bulma constantly flashing herself to get stuff
>Oolong trying to rape Bulma
It was a different time
>OH FU-
Why the frick does everyone need a "hot take" about shounen manga? And it's not just a normal opinion like "oh yeah I like two towers more than fellowship" they get seriously heated about it
Anything but the colorful disk of light!!
>2023
>people are still filtered by gohan vs cell
filtered?
tbh i was surprised by the big gohan fanbase when i entered the english speaking internet.
i thought it was comoon knowledge that humor and stupid goku was the essence of toriyama and dragon ball. the guy literally made a comedy before db
>be vegeta wanting immortality
>Fail on namek, die, get revived back on earth
>Woman who can locate all dragonballs on earth immediately wants your seed
>Give it to her
>Instead of trying to get immortality just decide to train forever
>Dont even think to use a wish along the lines of "tell me how i can become a super saiyan/ stronger than kakarot"
Vegeta was never above using cheap tactics to win, he wasn't some honorable guy like gokek so why didnt he at least think to try any one of these? You will let a tiny green midget invade your mind (and body lol) but you won't at least try using the dragonballs for yourself???
Early DBZ > Dragonball > Late DBZ > ToP Super > GT > Rest of Super
>Random scientist never named before in the series makes a collection of robots who are all more powerful than the ruler of the known universe while living in a cave, purely out of spite for a 12 year old child
>His computer then designs and creates a being even more powerful than that
was it kino?
Cell makes a bit more sense since he's at least from the future
No, it feels like a shitty fanfiction. You sounds utterly moronic for needing to even ask that.
>OH N-
frieza is plappable for impregnation and im tired of pretending he isnt
Are any other shonen ACTUALLY worth watching?
yeah, loads
no i wont tell you which ones
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>Gohan gets drunk off monster apple and achieves early ultra instinct.
They should have brought Shintani back for Super Hero.
Test
>we need to take goku out of the picture because he would completely frick mecha frieza androids 16 17 and 18 imperfect cell and gero
>uhhh heart hurt bad
>Goku you are totally going to get really sick in the future if you don't take this bro
>*gives him the vax*
>Goku has a heart attack
Did you know Trunks was a Pfizer employee?
It was Freeza's fault for being moronic.