What if it doesn't even outdraw the fricking fnaf movie?
Imagine the absolute state of The Marvels not beating this movie by the end. Because by opening weekend it absolutely won't and I doubt it will get a lot better.
this is a conspiracy i think, my local theater was sold out but it seems like they arent reporting the numbers. Might be some kind of tax and money laundering scheme
Disney did the same shit with the first movie. People were taking pictures inside their theaters and posting them on twitter and the theaters were empty as frick. Yet somehow it made over a billion dollars.
>People were taking pictures inside their theaters and posting them on twitter and the theaters were empty as frick.
Yes, we all remember people posting empty theaters 4 hours before the movie was actually showing in theaters.
1. timezones are a thing
2. she wouldn't be allowed into the auditorium until after it was cleaned, which is usually 15-45 minutes before the preshowing
but yeah we both know captain marvel did well because of infinity war/endgame. I watched it and I thought it looked like garbage.
>timezones are a thing
homie pls, they are phoneposting from an empty theater that doesn't show the movie for another 3 hours.
How are timezones a factor in that pic, which has a timestamp on it?
If that person is east coast, and the person reading the tweet is west coast, then that would mean the person is seeing the movie on time, and probably through previews already.
6 months ago
The biggest Capekino fan
Clearly that's not the case because the screen isn't showing anything.
6 months ago
Anonymous
I already said that they wouldn't be able to get into the theater that early. I used to work at a movie theater, what you're implying isn't possible.
Holy shit I thought you were exaggerating, I checked my local theaters and the 7:30 and 8pm showings had 10 and 5 tickets sold respectively in a theater seating 80...
Same here. The movie is actually a smashing success if you want to fit in and have a shot at maybe getting a girlfriend one day, I strongly suggest going to see this film.
The thing with Disney is, they are completely lost. They don't even understand the female market anymore. The company is like a headless chicken, still running, but dead.
Yup. They think women want girl bosses. Only vocal minority on social media. Women don’t want that. Even biggest bull dyke guarantee loves original Snow White. Why lesbians always have bull dyke. They want masculinity as much b***h about it. Because they b***h about everything
There's no such thing as lesbians.When they "frick" what gender is the genitalia they're strapping on? Ever heard of homosexuals using fake pussies? Lesbians want dick.
Yup. They think women want girl bosses. Only vocal minority on social media. Women don’t want that. Even biggest bull dyke guarantee loves original Snow White. Why lesbians always have bull dyke. They want masculinity as much b***h about it. Because they b***h about everything
Disney thinks the female power fantasy is the male power fantasy but in a dress. Women want to be desired by high status men. That's their fantasy. All LucasFilm had to do was make Twilight or Sex And the City in the Star Wars universe and they would have made Barbie money. No woman has ever been in a tough situation and thought "What would Rei or Captain Marvel do?"
why do you - and others, but you specifically, write 'power fantasy' every time you mean fantasy? This is a new thing on the board. Is it a meme like "casted" or just a full-moron mistake that's catching. Ah forget it I'm just going to close my eyes and power fantasise about getting away from it all
Disney is just greedy; the wanted BOTH female and male market in a male oriented movie but have no fricking idea how to pull it off.
I hope Barbie is a wake call to... scratch that, I hope Disney never learned and proceed to make larger trainwrecks until they collapse.
The irony is that the gender policy to get more women working as writers/directors/producers in movies/series backfired disastrously in box office/viewership terms and shows that women are, predictably, much worse than men creatively.
Shocking, it's as if straight white males single-handedly hold civilization together. I wonder ~~*who*~~ could possibly be responsible for their removal?
I haven't watched the later seasons, but I've heard he's barely in any of the episodes and the focus is mostly on the family now. He was in ten episodes through S10 and 11, one was non-speaking.
Truly amazing that we genuinely seemed to live in a true meritocracy for a couple of decades in the 80s/90s/00s, but because that revealed the reality of race/gender differences it made people lose their minds. Rather than conclude that blacks and women were just genuinely less suited to be working in entertainment, society as a collective chose to instead concoct a massive conspiracy that the entire entertainment industry was secretly racist and sexist.
And now here we are, a decade into entertaining that absurd fantasy, and entertainment is worse than its ever been. Frick this stupid fricking world.
This proves Disney paid for the first Marvel movie. How do go from a movie that made a billion dollars to a sequel that’s going to bomb as bad as The Flash? it’
They’re too broke now. Lost 6 billion on Disney+. Marvel gravy train has derailed. They can’t inflate their earnings anymore. Why getting sued by own stock owners
They came back for Spidey, they came back for Strange 2, they came back for T'Challah's ugly sister, they came back for more Guardians.
This is just a really weak offering with an absolute WHO? villain and a host of other problems.
Spidey will still make plenty of money but Disney's dime-a-dozen shitshows will never hit a billy again
6 months ago
The biggest Capekino fan
Deadpool/Wolverine has a good shot at a billy with an R rating.
Billion dollar movies in general are rarer now, especially since China is less than half what it was at it's peak.
6 months ago
Anonymous
That is one movie I'm actually interested in. And I'm glad it's R rated.
6 months ago
Anonymous
Frick off, shill.
6 months ago
Anonymous
Funny because I've been posting negatively about all of these Disney pandering movies. The problem with Disney is they feel like they have to uphold a wholesome family image. But what's weird is at the same time they also try to be progressive by shoehorning in gay, trans, and other minorities into every new piece of media they put out.
The Deadpool movie is the most likely to make go against the grain of that trend.
6 months ago
The biggest Capekino fan
I mean people of color is not particularly progressive? But the blind-casting gets pretty silly. There are two Asgardians in this movie and both of them are black. Every planet they go to has black representation. I mean the fricking Kree have always been two colored races, but Hala has latinos, asians, blacks.
6 months ago
Anonymous
It won't, dude. Deadpool is anti-racist. His best friend was a paki cab driver. He lectures Cable abbout not being racist even on his deathbed. Just because he says the F word, talks about sex, and is around drugs, doesn't mean it won't be pozzed to hell.
I'd say it proves the opposite. If they paid the first time why not now? No the first did well because it tricked people into thinking it was required viewing for Endgame. Disney and Feige obviously didn't understand that's why and thought they had a genuine new sensation on their hands.
This is what Captain Marvel gets when it has to stand on its own
They did buy seats for promotional usage, like studios normally do. In this case, pushing it to 400m domestic or over 1 billion would be a sort of prestige.
With this? What would buying seats do? It's still in bomb territory even if they bought 30 million dollars worth of seats for opening day.
They kept Strange World from being the biggest bomb of all time by paying 100 million dollars for the streaming rights. And that still put it in the top 5 biggest box office bombs of all time, but at least it's not number 1.
I hope they make a sequel to that movie I love seeing Disney lose money. They didn't have the money to blow on free Imax upgrade for Regal Unlimited this time like they did with Indy though
Ant Man made 426 million on a 200 million budget which means it probably barely broke even. Marvels is on track to lose Disney over 150 million dollars lmao.
Budget + 1/2 budget for marketing total doubled to counter the theater cuts, or 600 mill. Something like Lil' Mermaid which had the most aggressive marketing campaign of the year would probably be higher than half budget
6 months ago
Anonymous
I thought it was budget plus budget and a half
6 months ago
Anonymous
And still multiplied by two? That would be an insane number, although I imagine a lot of video games have ad budgets much higher than their game budgets
6 months ago
Anonymous
The most basic version is (production budget x 2.5) to account for revenue split and marketing. So depending on how much Disney spent AFTER the 275M in 2022, you are probably looking at 600M+ minimum.
6 months ago
Anonymous
Like if the budget for a movie is 300 mil it needs to make 750 mil to break even
6 months ago
Anonymous
I have consistently been hearing that this turd needs between $700M and $750M to break even
6 months ago
Anonymous
I guess it depends on where you multiply the total by. If you include marketing as half of budget before multiplying by two to make up for the theatrical cut a 300 million dollar budget film would need 900 million to break even
6 months ago
The biggest Capekino fan
1. Disney doesn't advertise movies as far out as the other major studios
2. they literally own channels to show adverts on
3. They get a ton of product placement
4. No, the marketing budget is never added to the production budget.
I'm sure you could moron math it into needed 2 billion to break even if you kept at it.
It IS going to lose them money, it cost way more than it deserved with such a thin story and tv actors.
6 months ago
Anonymous
Well we were talking about a hypothetical 300 million dollar budget film there, not specifically The Marvels. Why wouldn't you include advertising costs into the total if you're discussing how much a movie needs to break even though? Assuming Disney spent 220 million on the budget of The Marvels, even if they spent less on advertising like you say despite there being ads everywhere, what would you say is the break even point including advertising for the movie for a theatrical release including theater cuts?
6 months ago
The biggest Capekino fan
For this?, probably 480m+ to make it a wash.
6 months ago
Anonymous
After 50% box office that's only 240 mill off a 20 million budget not including marketing
6 months ago
The biggest Capekino fan
Disney above all other studios gets a very large cut of opening week, they have really hardballed theaters as they've basically kept them alive for the last 10 years. Theaters aren't going to make jack shit off this as it will likely die out midway into it's short run.
6 months ago
Anonymous
Maybe domestically but Disney's piece of international cuts is much lower and this movie in particular they're looking to overseas audiences to make in the difference
6 months ago
Anonymous
Little Mermaid was weird. Before the film released people were throwing around 250M as the production budget. Then Disney comes out and admit they underreported the cost. Pretty sure it's not the only Disney movie to do this either.
6 months ago
Anonymous
How much do you think they spent CG-ing black Ariel's breasts to be smaller?
At the very least 500mil. If you're ever in doubt just look at break even as 2.5x the budget.
The important thing to keep in mind though is that breaking even is still a failure.
That's just in The States. Studios make less money on international box office. And this one cost over $300,000,000 to make and market. So it needs to make at least $600,000,000 to cover expenses.
Everyone recognizes that MCU has fallen, but only a few people are identifying the real problem. It’s all the women and darkies they’ve placed in front of, and behind, the camera. You can not succeed with all this affirmative action shit.
A character created in the 70s for male readers of Marvel comics, she evolved and became the leader of the Avengers in the 90s and Disney came along and changed her into a dyke feminist leader, killing all her sexy appeal, it didn't work in the comics and was canceled 13 times in 10 years and they had the stupidity to bring this woke version of Kevin Feige and you know the result Disney killed the male audience for this movie and women are not stupid.
>canceled 13 times in 10 years
All those #1's.
Imagine being one of the people new to capeshit at the time that was actually interested in the character, and trying to keep up.
Feminine women, masculine men
Plots which are unburdened by ESG/woke nonsense
Hiring directors, writers etc because of their TALENT only rather than the color of their skin, their genital organs or sexual orientation
i love that even the journalists can't muster up the fake outrage to talk about how AMAZING it is that an all female hero cast would come out and frick that PATRIARCHY HATERZZZ
it was only 4-5 years ago that every journalist on the block would've lined up to make sure this movie sold gangbusters. are the tides finally turning?
I'm shocked investors haven't sued. Seems like after Weinstein's fall Hollywood kicked out all the old talented Whites and israelites and hired a bunch of no-taste shithead hack Tumblr fanfic lesbian wine aunts and no-talent "bipocs" based off of skin color instead of ability. And now, instead of just making decent films, they think they can just redefine reality through a news machine no one trusts anymore. In this Forbes article you can see the writer forgot to delete the original apologist bullet point before couching it in even more apologism
Get validation and money from playing the victim, get validation and money from men lusting after you, get validation and money from playing the victim again (at the expense of the aforementioned men).
Women are vain. They will show off when they feel comfortable with it and get your attention. The objectification cries are just smoke and mirrors. They just don’t want you looking at something sexier than them.
>itt people who didn't see the movie theorizing why it was bad and blaming it on the visible people
It just wasn't a good script. In the course of this movie, we have:
Captain Marvel does a war crime
The cliff notes origin story for Monica and Kamala for people who didn't watch the shows
The skulls have a planet now oops not any more
A bollywood musical planet
A comedic emergency sequence where Fury orders the space station crew to let themselves be eaten by cats
A painfully forgettable villain who dies trying to steal the sun
The X-Men
If the movie was allowed to be about one, maybe two of these things, and had room to breathe and develop some of the honestly good character moments that got brought up, maybe developed the villain a little more or gave her a more interesting look, it would have been a fine movie. Not one of the best Marvel movies, but one you don't mind throwing on now and then. But yeah, no, it suffers from trying to be too many things at once, and the actors and director aren't to blame for that.
She breaks into the capital of the Kree home world and destroys the AI that runs their society, plunging the society onto a power struggle that ends up ruining their planet and killing their sun.
Villain is the new leader of Kree society using the hexagonal warp gates from Guardians of the Galaxy to strip other planets of their natural resources and send them to the Kree homework, hence trying to steal the sun.
There are one hundred billion stars in the Milky Away alone. Why the frick would they try to steal the one sun that is guarded by a woman that can rekt your shit?
The Bollywood musical planet was fricking embarrassing. Felt like low-budget made-for-tv garbage when they have a budget ten times higher than Indian blockbusters. Also, don't forget they thought it was hilarious to put Memories from Cats in the background during the overly long CGI cat vore sequence
You could taste the re-shoots and over-editing. All they had to do was hire people with talent behind the camera and charisma in front of the camera instead of pandering to people who only pretend to care about pandering
They probably filmed the Bollywood scene for a D+ show and then Frankenstein'd it into the movie. All these streamers are guilty of throwing in nonsense scenes to go viral on social media and promote the show for free.
What does the content of the movie have to do with nobody showing up on opening weekend? If box office turnout was to go up or down after opening weekend that could be attributed to the quality or lack thereof of the film, but when nobody shows up in opening day it’s because everyone took a look at intersectional feminism hero movie and said “lol no thanks”
It looks like a television movie. Having seen it, it FEELS like a television movie.
The big spaceship moments are the only part of the movie that even LOOK expensive.
Shilling for israelites I can understand because you believe the holocaust happened, but shilling for the marvels movie is just the lowest state of being I think a person can reach and still earn a functional wage.
My cousin said him and his brother and girlfriend were thinking about going to see The Marvels this weekend. I started making fun of him and now they're going to go see Five Nights at Freddy's instead
I saw it Friday, it was a harmless, pointless Disney+ movie put into theaters, that they apparently spent vastly too much making.
As a Ms. Marvel special TV movie it's FINE, but Christ what a waste of money.
The "science" fiction of this movie really really bothers me.
When did the stargates start sucking with colossal force? Monica flies right up to one outside a gravity well, a ship goes in one and no sucky sucky.
But all the ones the new Accuser open suck (yes this movie has copied the plot of Spaceballs lol) with godlike force?
I was it, it was pretty mediocre with terrible performances all around aside from Ms. Marvel. Brie Larsen has the charisma of a side of ham and her overpowered character is boring with no personality. The black lady barely did anything besides be there and had almost no personality. Kamala Khan's parents are one-note and get old quickly. Same Jackson might as well not have been in it at all. The movie had too many stories going on and none of them felt fleshed out. The movie was overedited so that it moved from one big scene to the next but none of the big scenes felt like they mattered. The villain was boring and stupid and the actress had no charisma. Captain Marvel not seeing her niece for all those years because she started a civil war and wanted to fix it despite her not actually doing anything to fix it was a dumb plot point. Doing jumprope and juggling instead of actually coordinating how to use the teleport gimmick didn't make sense, and there was never a big payoff for the gimmick. The Bollywood dance scene felt stupid and cheap. Didn't really progress any overarching plotlines which will disappoint Marvel viewers who somehow became invested in Marvel's storytelling. Anything else you want to discuss?
>disney buys marvel because they've got the girl market locked with princess shit and they want to rope in boys as well >slowly kill off all the men and emasculate them and replace them with better female versions >expect you to watch multiple disney plus shows to understand what's happening
And it's not like even opening a gate to deep space would suck away all the atmosphere? Planetary atmospheres are ALREADY surrounded by space. But opening a Gate from a planet to Hala, both with gravity (and an atmosphere, tho Hala's is nasty now) creates this Mega-Maid suck of all the atmosphere from Planet A. And wouldn't TWO atmospheres cause a megastorm or some shit?
Guardians was legit obscure but people had heard of Iron Man. There were jokes about him in Seinfeld.
The line that the MCU was built with obscure nobodies is complete fiction. They were using Hulk and Captain America right at the start
>Nobody cared who Iron Man was before the first movie either.
What, lol. I didn't read comics but grew up with Iron Man through animated series, toys and the Capcom games. It's the reason I went to watch Iron Man movie. Pretty much all the kids in the 90s cared who Iron Man was since cartoons and games were more centralized and everyone shared basically the same experiences.
Disney has to cough up $9B at the end of the month per their agreement with Comcast/Hulu. They literally can't afford it and have no choice but to take the humiliation
Amid the summer of flops, while fighting off two suits from investors and another with the state of Florida, amid terrible merch sales and low park attendance post-COVID, idk friend I think they might be strapped
Disney stock is up almost 5% this month, so investors aren't bothered. Disney has multiple paths to raising 8 billion dollars, it isn't a penny stock like WB.
Not a meaningful fluctuation and one that could signal the opposite of what you're attempting to prove
6 months ago
The biggest Capekino fan
It's cause by people loading up on stock, that's what makes stock go up. It isn't complicated. People have regained confidence in the company long-term with Iger's return.
I get it.
You live for "Disney is DOOOMED" threads. Cinemaphile has been host to them for years now, since the infamous Blue Milk Incident. They are down off their Pandemic highs but not really struggling that bad.
They will probably never have another 2019. No other studio has even DREAMED of the 2019 Disney had.
6 months ago
Anonymous
>It's cause by people loading up on stock, that's what makes stock go up. It isn't complicated.
Kek, no anon, it's much more complex than that.
6 months ago
The biggest Capekino fan
Buying stock is what literally causes stock prices to go up.
I really don't want to have to get out my crayons and explain this to you.
You really think Disney is in a good place right now? You're out of your fricking mind
6 months ago
The biggest Capekino fan
They are having a down year for certain, the wokeness pandering got out of control I agree.
But Disney has flopped 2-3 expensive movies a year for decades.
Movie tickets are far from their main hustle.
6 months ago
Anonymous
Anon, they've had at least 6 big budget flops this year and 1-2 somewhat successful films. This is not 6 movies returning a huge profit and 1-2 flops a year, it is the reverse, and we haven't even seen Wish flop yet
6 months ago
Anonymous
Elemental's box office just from the numbers looks a lot better than all those other movies, and it shows because everyone from box office pundits to Bob Iger kept praising it. Out of all those movies you list I expect Elemental to be more likely to get a sequel.
6 months ago
The biggest Capekino fan
I mean, Harrison Ford is a gorillion years old, and have they every done sequels to live action adaptations of cartoons?
6 months ago
Anonymous
You could argue that Elemental may have broken even on word-of-mouth but just breaking even is not really success. The Eddie Murphy Haunted Mansion film in '03 was considered a huge flop despite making 180 mill on a 90 mill budget
6 months ago
The biggest Capekino fan
>but just breaking even is not really success
It's also not a flop. They have plenty of flops but Elemental is not one of them.
Did it meet expectations? Lol no.
Do they expect every animated flick to be Frozen? Nah, they are usually a 50/50 on going big.
6 months ago
Anonymous
If anything, breaking even is worse now because they have to pay money to host their stuff on their own platform instead of making a shitton on physical media and selling streaming rights. I guess it might not be a complete flop, but it would have made actual money if it had a reasonable budget
6 months ago
The biggest Capekino fan
I don't know that Streaming is cutting into Blu Ray media (it might be?), but nobody is making a dime on Streaming. Netflix was making a profit for like 2 whole years before everyone jumped into join them.
6 months ago
Anonymous
It's a success by the current standards where if you're not a sequel to Toy Story or Frozen you might as well expect failure. Even Dreamworks is getting into the live remake game with Training your Dragon. What I mean is Elemental is huge because it was big enough without being based on anything normies would recognize, and I don't think comparing to some early 00s film is fair because back then the market was different, movies could or not make a big difference in home sales because streaming wasn't remotely a big thing yet, I brought up Elemental because it was reported to be big at home after it left theaters. That's going to build word of mouth for any potential sequel.
6 months ago
Anonymous
I think that's probably fair. I think the film had some heart even if the writing was awful and the aesthetics were terrible outside of fire chick's design. For modern soulless hack-filled Disney, that's very impressive
6 months ago
The biggest Capekino fan
Elemental made roughly as much as the highest grossing Anime movie of all time. Kek.
6 months ago
Anonymous
Yeah now compare the budgets. You think a throwaway between seasons anime film cost 200 mill?
6 months ago
The biggest Capekino fan
Yeah now tell me again how Anime/Manga is swelling in popularity. Deadpool didn't cost 200 million either.
6 months ago
Anonymous
How isn't it? Anime and manga are more mainstream worldwide now than they're ever been. America's soft cultural power is almost non-existent at this point because of nepotism and diversity hires. It's entirely possible that Disney will never make a profit on the theatrical run of a film ever again
6 months ago
The biggest Capekino fan
>merica's soft cultural power is almost non-existent at this point
Oh I'm so sorry, I didn't know you were neurodivergent, I already regret conversing with you.
6 months ago
Anonymous
Imagine how I feel humoring a reality-denying shill who defines himself by his love for blockbusters from a company that hasn't made a profit on a single theatrical release for six months now
6 months ago
Anonymous
Would you rather make 100mil on a 20mil budget or 400mil on a 200mil budget?
Think carefully now
6 months ago
Anonymous
>do i want to make 80 million dollars or 200 million dollars
You should really look at what you're asking before you ask it.
6 months ago
Anonymous
I'm sorry you're a massive moron anon. Trully I am
$100m ww opening weekend
$220m ww maximum
It's time to reboot the MCU. Introducing X-Men and Fantastic Four would damage their brand value worse than the late game Fox movies did
The franchise is completely out of characters people give a shit about
Does anyone else feel like they've oversaturated the market with superhero movies? Like they're cool and all but when a new one is released every other month it gets old.
They need to space them out more and let people yearn for more.
WB should have walked away from them 6 years ago. Disney went overboard with them per year, but I mean they were regularly pulling a billion with them for a couple years, that WOULD go to your head.
no the problem is first gen supes are the ones most people knew about. now those known actors got cash deals and Disney would have to reboot to get worse paid actors, but because they released so many movies they can't reboot. whinebros does reboot and it's not successful. disney only option are kill cape shit , or push nobodies with niche market to continue cape shit
100%. It was a disastrous overexploitation that led to viewers' saturation and boredom because it violated 2 essential marketing laws:
-it killed the sense of scarcity and became predictable, therefore undervalued
-it generated a paradox of choice vicious circle, making the audience anxious about the amount of stuff to watch and making its products compete with themselves.
FRONT PAGE OF MSN >https://www.msn.com/en-us/movies/news/box-office-bomb-the-marvels-opening-to-47m-52m-in-new-low-for-marvel-studios/ar-AA1jLEUC?ocid=msedgntp&pc=HCTS&cvid=32464621d16a4387ab78410ea9d4b142&ei=9 >Box Office Bomb: ‘The Marvels' Opening to $47M-$52M in New Low for Marvel Studios
Box Office Bomb: ‘The Marvels' Opening to $47M-$52M in New Low for Marvel Studios >The Marvels is anything but marvelous so far at the box office. >Based on Friday earnings of $21.5 million, the Marvel Studios and Disney superhero tentpole is headed for a domestic opening of $47 million to $52 million to rank as the worst start in the history of the Marvel Cinematic Universe. >The Marvels marks a new low for Kevin Feige's Marvel Studios, which for years was unrivaled in its success, and bolsters the theory that superhero fatigue is a real thing as fanboys grow weary of a glut of titles and are far less forgiving. >Until now, rival DC was the superhero studio that endured the biggest ups and downs, with a good number of its films opening to $50 million or less (in comparison, many MCU releases started with $100 million or more domestically). This summer, DC's The Flash debuted to a dismal $55 million domestically on its way to topping out at a paltry $270.6 million globally. >Word of mouth is already hurting The Marvels, which is only the third MCU title to receive a B CinemaScore from audiences after Eternals and Ant-Man and the Wasp: Quantamania. The vast majority of MCU releases have earned some variation of an A. Its Rotten Tomatoes critics' score of 62 percent is likewise on the lower end.
The article goes on a bit, apparently the next lowest opening was The Incredible Hulk fifteen years ago, NOT adjusted for inflation. This is a blood-splattered anal massacre
They blame fatigue yet I think the general sense is that people are irritated with the slow pace of movies being released, and it's performing poorly because the quality has drastically been dropping movie to movie.
>The article goes on a bit, apparently the next lowest opening was The Incredible Hulk fifteen years ago, NOT adjusted for inflation.
yes, adjusted for inflation it would be 80 million domestic
They had gotten to the point where they sold a billion dollars in tickets to an all black superhero movie, the Avengers were regular billion dollar paychecks, Brie Larson fighting nobodies brought in a billion...
In 2019 Disney took in 40% of total worldwide grosses. They had 7 or 8 movies all break a billion in the same year, and the Avengers started challenging Avatar's record.
FYI to the Disney interns ITT, I will also not be going to see Blacktain America nor will I be watching films in which the villain is played by the Manhattan Strangler. If you plan to proceed with these projects anyway, I'd recommend some budget cuts
Why are people so suddenly turned off? Five months ago Transformers: Rise of the Beasts had a $61M domestic opening weekend and that franchise is way more dead than the MCU. Did Oppenheimer and Barbie basically reset the tastes of the audience? Oversaturation of Marvel content? The SAG strike killed the hype?
That awful Transformers movie was even worse than The Marvels. People are tired of seeing the same old Marvel formula but also worse in every way, and Disney has alienated conservatives who were a huge part of their core audience. The blowout from the trans kid in the softball show is going to be insane. almost all the Hollywood blockbusters this year were average to terrible, and people don't want to pay 15 bucks for average to terrible when they can stay at home and watch whatever shit's on whatever streaming service they've got in 4K
The Pixar softball show Win or Lose up has a trans kid in it according to a leaked animatic that was going around where they have a panic attack while going into the public bathroom of their preferred gender. Good time to start up a grift channel complaining about stuff being woke, they're going to be eating good
The blowout is going to be amazing. Between this and that upcoming cartoon about Mexico where they didn't even use proper grammar in the opening and even hard leftists were calling them racist Disney/Pixar animation seems to be in a terrible fricking place It's what Disney deserves for killing off quality 2D animation in the West
kids don't care about troony movies, parents are aware now and can trick them into watching old things anyway.
6 months ago
Anonymous
You don't have to trick kids into watching old stuff. When I was a kid, I didn't care in the least that the latest Star Wars movie came out before I was born. It was still awesome.
6 months ago
Anonymous
Yeah I was born in the 80s and my favorite film growing up was the '77 Hobbit. There's also a kind of darkness kids respect in older kid's media that isn't in their current slop
The movies are mediocre and no one wants to watch dozens of hours of television of shit characters that they don't care about just to be caught up for movie night. Plus the characters that make any impact like Shang-Chi get stuck in purgatory for literal years because the schedule is so bloated that there still hasn't been a new Avengers movie yet
191995867 >if you want to fit in and have a shot at maybe getting a girlfriend one day
Imagine wanting to fit in with the people who enjoy this kind of thing. The normal kind of women you'd want to actually procreate with are interested in trash reality and true crime. And Hallmark christmas movies. And I'm talking actual, literal girl bosses with subordinates and responsibilities, not ham planets with MFAs.
A lot of theaters in my area are showing foreign films and anime pretty frequently when they only rarely did before. Hollywood's lucky the average person hates reading subs or they'd be fricked so hard by foreign films they'd walk bow-legged for the rest of their lives
Wine-guzzling Karens with five cats.
And also everybody, as described by a committee of complete idiots who are stupid enough to make "everybody" their target audience. Which means nobody.
This shit won't even make $250m total lmao
What if it doesn't even outdraw the fricking fnaf movie?
Imagine the absolute state of The Marvels not beating this movie by the end. Because by opening weekend it absolutely won't and I doubt it will get a lot better.
even if it made 800 million at the end this is coming from 1 billi to a straight up downgrade if you are looking at it from a financial point of view
this is a conspiracy i think, my local theater was sold out but it seems like they arent reporting the numbers. Might be some kind of tax and money laundering scheme
Spending $275M to make Springtime for Hitler is the tax and money laundering scheme, anon.
It's always a conspiracy with Disney
Disney did the same shit with the first movie. People were taking pictures inside their theaters and posting them on twitter and the theaters were empty as frick. Yet somehow it made over a billion dollars.
>People were taking pictures inside their theaters and posting them on twitter and the theaters were empty as frick.
Yes, we all remember people posting empty theaters 4 hours before the movie was actually showing in theaters.
1. timezones are a thing
2. she wouldn't be allowed into the auditorium until after it was cleaned, which is usually 15-45 minutes before the preshowing
but yeah we both know captain marvel did well because of infinity war/endgame. I watched it and I thought it looked like garbage.
>timezones are a thing
homie pls, they are phoneposting from an empty theater that doesn't show the movie for another 3 hours.
How are timezones a factor in that pic, which has a timestamp on it?
If that person is east coast, and the person reading the tweet is west coast, then that would mean the person is seeing the movie on time, and probably through previews already.
Clearly that's not the case because the screen isn't showing anything.
I already said that they wouldn't be able to get into the theater that early. I used to work at a movie theater, what you're implying isn't possible.
Holy shit you're actually moronic
Jesus Christ an actual bona-fide moron
Never reproduce
stop it with the antisemitic remarks
>sold out
Yeah no.
Post a cap or be a known liar.
Here is my local and it doesn’t even get one of the big theaters for a 7:30PM Saturday night.
It’s OGRE
Holy shit I thought you were exaggerating, I checked my local theaters and the 7:30 and 8pm showings had 10 and 5 tickets sold respectively in a theater seating 80...
Same here. The movie is actually a smashing success if you want to fit in and have a shot at maybe getting a girlfriend one day, I strongly suggest going to see this film.
Captain Marvel opened 400m internationally lmao
You still don't believe disney inflated those numbers to keep the hype going for endgame?
Remember how it was USD 115 mil 12 hours ago? Now they shaved off another 5 mil as the movie's visibly sinking worldwide
Deadline highballing for marvel as usual, it will make around 100m
replacing male white writers and producers with diversity scum...what could go wrong?
Be Disney. Can’t appeal to boys and men. Buy Star Wars and Marvel with built
in male audiences. Make it all girl boss and gay. Ruin both IPs
The thing with Disney is, they are completely lost. They don't even understand the female market anymore. The company is like a headless chicken, still running, but dead.
Yup. They think women want girl bosses. Only vocal minority on social media. Women don’t want that. Even biggest bull dyke guarantee loves original Snow White. Why lesbians always have bull dyke. They want masculinity as much b***h about it. Because they b***h about everything
There's no such thing as lesbians.When they "frick" what gender is the genitalia they're strapping on? Ever heard of homosexuals using fake pussies? Lesbians want dick.
>Ever heard of homosexuals using fake pussies
I believe that's the butthole
Disney thinks the female power fantasy is the male power fantasy but in a dress. Women want to be desired by high status men. That's their fantasy. All LucasFilm had to do was make Twilight or Sex And the City in the Star Wars universe and they would have made Barbie money. No woman has ever been in a tough situation and thought "What would Rei or Captain Marvel do?"
This post needs to be sent to Kathleen Kennedy
no, let them crash and burn
Shit anon lol. I think you’ve actually cracked it. They should’ve made Thor wanna frick captain marvel but made it so she had to prove herself
they HAD some little bit of chemistry going on in Endgame after all
why do you - and others, but you specifically, write 'power fantasy' every time you mean fantasy? This is a new thing on the board. Is it a meme like "casted" or just a full-moron mistake that's catching. Ah forget it I'm just going to close my eyes and power fantasise about getting away from it all
Everybody just ignored this pompous moron huh lmao
Disney is just greedy; the wanted BOTH female and male market in a male oriented movie but have no fricking idea how to pull it off.
I hope Barbie is a wake call to... scratch that, I hope Disney never learned and proceed to make larger trainwrecks until they collapse.
The irony is that the gender policy to get more women working as writers/directors/producers in movies/series backfired disastrously in box office/viewership terms and shows that women are, predictably, much worse than men creatively.
nona this matters. Movies sell on brand recognition alone, quality is irrelevant. Superheros are not "in" anymore.
moron
Spider-Man and Batman sell just fine. Iron Man movies would still bank had they kept making them.
Genuine moron. You're being proven wrong on a weekly basis. Brand recognition ain't enough anymore.
When were they "in"?
The Suicide Squad, Birds of Prey, and others pretty much flopped while Joker and The Batman did well years later.
Shocking, it's as if straight white males single-handedly hold civilization together. I wonder ~~*who*~~ could possibly be responsible for their removal?
Anyone stupid enough to act as Dolan's private army should probably be put in conservatorship like Brittany.
I haven't watched the later seasons, but I've heard he's barely in any of the episodes and the focus is mostly on the family now. He was in ten episodes through S10 and 11, one was non-speaking.
It seems like women are the actual problem
Truly amazing that we genuinely seemed to live in a true meritocracy for a couple of decades in the 80s/90s/00s, but because that revealed the reality of race/gender differences it made people lose their minds. Rather than conclude that blacks and women were just genuinely less suited to be working in entertainment, society as a collective chose to instead concoct a massive conspiracy that the entire entertainment industry was secretly racist and sexist.
And now here we are, a decade into entertaining that absurd fantasy, and entertainment is worse than its ever been. Frick this stupid fricking world.
This proves Disney paid for the first Marvel movie. How do go from a movie that made a billion dollars to a sequel that’s going to bomb as bad as The Flash? it’
It wasn't sandwitched between Infinity War and Endgame, simple as that.
If Disney paid for the first one they could've paid for this one too.
They’re too broke now. Lost 6 billion on Disney+. Marvel gravy train has derailed. They can’t inflate their earnings anymore. Why getting sued by own stock owners
They wouldn't have done it back in the day either. The mouse wants more money, not less.
if they didn't pay for it, where's all the fans? it's a sequel, not some new ip or new hero
everyone loves brie right?
>if they didn't pay for it, where's all the fans?
Left with Endgame
They came back for Spidey, they came back for Strange 2, they came back for T'Challah's ugly sister, they came back for more Guardians.
This is just a really weak offering with an absolute WHO? villain and a host of other problems.
Spidey will still make plenty of money but Disney's dime-a-dozen shitshows will never hit a billy again
Deadpool/Wolverine has a good shot at a billy with an R rating.
Billion dollar movies in general are rarer now, especially since China is less than half what it was at it's peak.
That is one movie I'm actually interested in. And I'm glad it's R rated.
Frick off, shill.
Funny because I've been posting negatively about all of these Disney pandering movies. The problem with Disney is they feel like they have to uphold a wholesome family image. But what's weird is at the same time they also try to be progressive by shoehorning in gay, trans, and other minorities into every new piece of media they put out.
The Deadpool movie is the most likely to make go against the grain of that trend.
I mean people of color is not particularly progressive? But the blind-casting gets pretty silly. There are two Asgardians in this movie and both of them are black. Every planet they go to has black representation. I mean the fricking Kree have always been two colored races, but Hala has latinos, asians, blacks.
It won't, dude. Deadpool is anti-racist. His best friend was a paki cab driver. He lectures Cable abbout not being racist even on his deathbed. Just because he says the F word, talks about sex, and is around drugs, doesn't mean it won't be pozzed to hell.
>bomb as bad as The Flash
It's worse than the flash
but the 'bomb' isn't worse because mrs marvels didn't cost 500m to make. in fact it looks like it cost about 500k to make
And yet the movie has 7 full VFX companies working on that awful CG
I'd say it proves the opposite. If they paid the first time why not now? No the first did well because it tricked people into thinking it was required viewing for Endgame. Disney and Feige obviously didn't understand that's why and thought they had a genuine new sensation on their hands.
This is what Captain Marvel gets when it has to stand on its own
They did buy seats for promotional usage, like studios normally do. In this case, pushing it to 400m domestic or over 1 billion would be a sort of prestige.
With this? What would buying seats do? It's still in bomb territory even if they bought 30 million dollars worth of seats for opening day.
They kept Strange World from being the biggest bomb of all time by paying 100 million dollars for the streaming rights. And that still put it in the top 5 biggest box office bombs of all time, but at least it's not number 1.
I hope they make a sequel to that movie I love seeing Disney lose money. They didn't have the money to blow on free Imax upgrade for Regal Unlimited this time like they did with Indy though
>to bomb as bad as The Flash?
It's bombing way harder than the flash though
maybe they should try casting babes and putting them in hot costumes
there, fixed your franchise now pay me hwood
Weren't people estimating 40-50 million? Making double that sounds like a huge-ass win.
Domestic. This is worldwide. For reference Ant Man 3 made over $200m worldwide opening weekend, had a smaller budget than this, and still flopped
Ant Man made 426 million on a 200 million budget which means it probably barely broke even. Marvels is on track to lose Disney over 150 million dollars lmao.
Didn't even break even including marketing and theater cuts. Disney hasn't made money on a film in theaters this year since GotG 3
How much would Ant Man had to have made to broke even?
Budget + 1/2 budget for marketing total doubled to counter the theater cuts, or 600 mill. Something like Lil' Mermaid which had the most aggressive marketing campaign of the year would probably be higher than half budget
I thought it was budget plus budget and a half
And still multiplied by two? That would be an insane number, although I imagine a lot of video games have ad budgets much higher than their game budgets
The most basic version is (production budget x 2.5) to account for revenue split and marketing. So depending on how much Disney spent AFTER the 275M in 2022, you are probably looking at 600M+ minimum.
Like if the budget for a movie is 300 mil it needs to make 750 mil to break even
I have consistently been hearing that this turd needs between $700M and $750M to break even
I guess it depends on where you multiply the total by. If you include marketing as half of budget before multiplying by two to make up for the theatrical cut a 300 million dollar budget film would need 900 million to break even
1. Disney doesn't advertise movies as far out as the other major studios
2. they literally own channels to show adverts on
3. They get a ton of product placement
4. No, the marketing budget is never added to the production budget.
I'm sure you could moron math it into needed 2 billion to break even if you kept at it.
It IS going to lose them money, it cost way more than it deserved with such a thin story and tv actors.
Well we were talking about a hypothetical 300 million dollar budget film there, not specifically The Marvels. Why wouldn't you include advertising costs into the total if you're discussing how much a movie needs to break even though? Assuming Disney spent 220 million on the budget of The Marvels, even if they spent less on advertising like you say despite there being ads everywhere, what would you say is the break even point including advertising for the movie for a theatrical release including theater cuts?
For this?, probably 480m+ to make it a wash.
After 50% box office that's only 240 mill off a 20 million budget not including marketing
Disney above all other studios gets a very large cut of opening week, they have really hardballed theaters as they've basically kept them alive for the last 10 years. Theaters aren't going to make jack shit off this as it will likely die out midway into it's short run.
Maybe domestically but Disney's piece of international cuts is much lower and this movie in particular they're looking to overseas audiences to make in the difference
Little Mermaid was weird. Before the film released people were throwing around 250M as the production budget. Then Disney comes out and admit they underreported the cost. Pretty sure it's not the only Disney movie to do this either.
How much do you think they spent CG-ing black Ariel's breasts to be smaller?
About $600 million.
Total flop.
At the very least 500mil. If you're ever in doubt just look at break even as 2.5x the budget.
The important thing to keep in mind though is that breaking even is still a failure.
That's just in The States. Studios make less money on international box office. And this one cost over $300,000,000 to make and market. So it needs to make at least $600,000,000 to cover expenses.
Hell I heard $800 mil to see a profit because of the reshoots.
Jesus you're a fricking moron
Holy shit, I spent $100 on lottery tickets with an EV of $5, but I won $10? What a huge-ass win!
Could we talk about what the actual frick is going on with the extras in the background of that pic?
I would also like to know this.
Those are the troops of the "everyone's language is singing" water planet with Capt. Marvel's "political husband" Sum Yung asiatic.
Everyone recognizes that MCU has fallen, but only a few people are identifying the real problem. It’s all the women and darkies they’ve placed in front of, and behind, the camera. You can not succeed with all this affirmative action shit.
Its a really really fine line to make comic book cheese work, and they are just well beyond that now.
It's just CW shit.
I think fatigue is also to blame. Same shit happened with westerns
>The Flash opened 130m worldwide
Oh nonononono
A character created in the 70s for male readers of Marvel comics, she evolved and became the leader of the Avengers in the 90s and Disney came along and changed her into a dyke feminist leader, killing all her sexy appeal, it didn't work in the comics and was canceled 13 times in 10 years and they had the stupidity to bring this woke version of Kevin Feige and you know the result Disney killed the male audience for this movie and women are not stupid.
They changed her outfit and you still didn't see it, stop pretending that would've fixed anything.
She looks so malnourished. The cg can barely hide it.
>i-it's cg
anon she is smaller because she is in the background
>canceled 13 times in 10 years
All those #1's.
Imagine being one of the people new to capeshit at the time that was actually interested in the character, and trying to keep up.
This
That isnt sexy, leotards are sexy and yes it wouldve made all the difference in the world
At this point it seems like the chuds have final say over whether a film succeeds or fails. What are your demands?
Actually a anon showed exit polls. More men went to see this movie than women. Women don’t want to see this shit
I said chuds not redditors/leftists.
Point taken
Feminine women, masculine men
Plots which are unburdened by ESG/woke nonsense
Hiring directors, writers etc because of their TALENT only rather than the color of their skin, their genital organs or sexual orientation
You know the action scenes from Zack Snyder's Sucker Punch? More like that please.
I'm not a die hard Snyder fan but I admit this was pretty good
Good stories. I don’t want the movie grinding to a halt to hear some ESG lecture
zero nogs
Watch The Marvels.
Thick ebony thighs and phat ass.
Big bouncy Indian teenage breasts.
Cutie Brie.
What's not to love.
The MCU audience isn't known for being straight
i love that even the journalists can't muster up the fake outrage to talk about how AMAZING it is that an all female hero cast would come out and frick that PATRIARCHY HATERZZZ
it was only 4-5 years ago that every journalist on the block would've lined up to make sure this movie sold gangbusters. are the tides finally turning?
It's just not that good of a movie, but probably not as inherently woke as the other examples either. They didn't change male characters to female.
A lot of those clickbait outlets have been going under recently.
Just a few days ago Jezebel went under and Kotaku laid off a bunch of morons.
>society is healing
surprised they didn't fire all of them, last gen gpt could write their "articles"
I think a lot of them are using AI generated content now. That’s why Jezebel only had 23 people on staff before it shut down.
>jezebel
When was that?
Literally 2 days ago.
>Less than fnaf
holy
S-save us chuds and incels.
no.
B-but it's a great movie! How could have this happened, Marvelsisters??
How do we save The Marvels?
I love seeing the media machine try to spin reality. Pretty sure flop is a well fricking defined term but I guess we've been wrong this whole time
Would be funnier if investors didn't go along with the narrative.
I'm shocked investors haven't sued. Seems like after Weinstein's fall Hollywood kicked out all the old talented Whites and israelites and hired a bunch of no-taste shithead hack Tumblr fanfic lesbian wine aunts and no-talent "bipocs" based off of skin color instead of ability. And now, instead of just making decent films, they think they can just redefine reality through a news machine no one trusts anymore. In this Forbes article you can see the writer forgot to delete the original apologist bullet point before couching it in even more apologism
>I'm shocked investors haven't sued.
Won't ever happen
>Mystifying plot holes
Wtf does that even mean?
Do you guys find it funny how feminist, actresses object about
being sexual objects. Yet when promoting the movie, their breasts are on full display?
not really no. It makes perfect sense. Do you not see the difference?
Get validation and money from playing the victim, get validation and money from men lusting after you, get validation and money from playing the victim again (at the expense of the aforementioned men).
Feminine evil at its finest.
Wow anon never noticed that!
Fricking cuckservatives honestly
Women are vain. They will show off when they feel comfortable with it and get your attention. The objectification cries are just smoke and mirrors. They just don’t want you looking at something sexier than them.
they will say it's about consent, it's bullshit, it's all about their ego
facts and numbers are for chuds, haven’t you heard?
>itt people who didn't see the movie theorizing why it was bad and blaming it on the visible people
It just wasn't a good script. In the course of this movie, we have:
Captain Marvel does a war crime
The cliff notes origin story for Monica and Kamala for people who didn't watch the shows
The skulls have a planet now oops not any more
A bollywood musical planet
A comedic emergency sequence where Fury orders the space station crew to let themselves be eaten by cats
A painfully forgettable villain who dies trying to steal the sun
The X-Men
If the movie was allowed to be about one, maybe two of these things, and had room to breathe and develop some of the honestly good character moments that got brought up, maybe developed the villain a little more or gave her a more interesting look, it would have been a fine movie. Not one of the best Marvel movies, but one you don't mind throwing on now and then. But yeah, no, it suffers from trying to be too many things at once, and the actors and director aren't to blame for that.
What's the war crime?
Not having sex with me
She breaks into the capital of the Kree home world and destroys the AI that runs their society, plunging the society onto a power struggle that ends up ruining their planet and killing their sun.
Villain is the new leader of Kree society using the hexagonal warp gates from Guardians of the Galaxy to strip other planets of their natural resources and send them to the Kree homework, hence trying to steal the sun.
so it even has a pro-AI taking control message, how could you not support this anons!
There are one hundred billion stars in the Milky Away alone. Why the frick would they try to steal the one sun that is guarded by a woman that can rekt your shit?
Also since main sequence stars aside from red dwarfs, are the most common.
The movie has a shit opening. No one knows how bad the script is because nobody even saw. It just looked unappealing.
The Bollywood musical planet was fricking embarrassing. Felt like low-budget made-for-tv garbage when they have a budget ten times higher than Indian blockbusters. Also, don't forget they thought it was hilarious to put Memories from Cats in the background during the overly long CGI cat vore sequence
God I forgot the Memories soundtrack. Just baffling decisions all around.
You could taste the re-shoots and over-editing. All they had to do was hire people with talent behind the camera and charisma in front of the camera instead of pandering to people who only pretend to care about pandering
They probably filmed the Bollywood scene for a D+ show and then Frankenstein'd it into the movie. All these streamers are guilty of throwing in nonsense scenes to go viral on social media and promote the show for free.
This makes sense. Just feels so half-assed, like if they're doing reshoots up until release try and mimic what made Barbie's dance scenes popular.
What does the content of the movie have to do with nobody showing up on opening weekend? If box office turnout was to go up or down after opening weekend that could be attributed to the quality or lack thereof of the film, but when nobody shows up in opening day it’s because everyone took a look at intersectional feminism hero movie and said “lol no thanks”
>who didn't see the movie theorizing
no one is seeing the movie
it's not because it's a bad script
cause it looks like warmed up turds
It looks like a television movie. Having seen it, it FEELS like a television movie.
The big spaceship moments are the only part of the movie that even LOOK expensive.
It doesn't matter because nobody is seeing it anyway. The premise alone is what has been rejected.
Moviebob on suicide watch
we failed brie brie bros
Shilling for israelites I can understand because you believe the holocaust happened, but shilling for the marvels movie is just the lowest state of being I think a person can reach and still earn a functional wage.
On the plus side I just got a good deal on my car insurance.
box office number threads are trash, frick off.
It is happening.
My cousin said him and his brother and girlfriend were thinking about going to see The Marvels this weekend. I started making fun of him and now they're going to go see Five Nights at Freddy's instead
One day you’ll be put on trial for this post and convicted of racism
I saw it Friday, it was a harmless, pointless Disney+ movie put into theaters, that they apparently spent vastly too much making.
As a Ms. Marvel special TV movie it's FINE, but Christ what a waste of money.
Didn't even know it was coming out.
Anyone actually seen this and want to discuss it? Or is the entire thread just calculating Hollywood israelite math and broadly dissing Disney?
Every time I made a thread I got 1 or no replies
Nobody's seen it, sorry. Maybe Reddit can help you
Maybe. I paid good money to see it, so I'm itching to talk about it.
The "science" fiction of this movie really really bothers me.
When did the stargates start sucking with colossal force? Monica flies right up to one outside a gravity well, a ship goes in one and no sucky sucky.
But all the ones the new Accuser open suck (yes this movie has copied the plot of Spaceballs lol) with godlike force?
They make a topical cream for that
Like calls to like
Reddit sucks tho.
What do you want to discuss? Box office numbers should indicate that not as many people have seen it as expected.
>Anyone actually seen this and want to discuss it?
No lol
I was it, it was pretty mediocre with terrible performances all around aside from Ms. Marvel. Brie Larsen has the charisma of a side of ham and her overpowered character is boring with no personality. The black lady barely did anything besides be there and had almost no personality. Kamala Khan's parents are one-note and get old quickly. Same Jackson might as well not have been in it at all. The movie had too many stories going on and none of them felt fleshed out. The movie was overedited so that it moved from one big scene to the next but none of the big scenes felt like they mattered. The villain was boring and stupid and the actress had no charisma. Captain Marvel not seeing her niece for all those years because she started a civil war and wanted to fix it despite her not actually doing anything to fix it was a dumb plot point. Doing jumprope and juggling instead of actually coordinating how to use the teleport gimmick didn't make sense, and there was never a big payoff for the gimmick. The Bollywood dance scene felt stupid and cheap. Didn't really progress any overarching plotlines which will disappoint Marvel viewers who somehow became invested in Marvel's storytelling. Anything else you want to discuss?
>disney buys marvel because they've got the girl market locked with princess shit and they want to rope in boys as well
>slowly kill off all the men and emasculate them and replace them with better female versions
>expect you to watch multiple disney plus shows to understand what's happening
They deserve it
I don't even think it will do that. It's foreign performance is about as bad as Blue Beetle in some places
The age of capeshit is finally over
And it's not like even opening a gate to deep space would suck away all the atmosphere? Planetary atmospheres are ALREADY surrounded by space. But opening a Gate from a planet to Hala, both with gravity (and an atmosphere, tho Hala's is nasty now) creates this Mega-Maid suck of all the atmosphere from Planet A. And wouldn't TWO atmospheres cause a megastorm or some shit?
>release movies of heroes no one knows about.
>not even diehards nerd like them in numbers to even make this shit worth it
We just want ironman,thor.spiderman, and guardians, and daredevil/punisher.
Nobody knew who the frick the Guardians were.
It was just a vastly better written movie.
Nobody cared who Iron Man was before the first movie either.
if you watched marvel cartoon you knew who iron man was gay. Spiderman was probably the gate way to most these cape shit.
>if you watched marvel cartoon you knew who iron man was gay
What are you estimating the audience penetration of the Iron Man cartoon was?
i am estimating most people saw spider man cartoon and learned about iron man from it.
Yeah that did wonders for Morbius.
Guardians was legit obscure but people had heard of Iron Man. There were jokes about him in Seinfeld.
The line that the MCU was built with obscure nobodies is complete fiction. They were using Hulk and Captain America right at the start
Iron Man was always a well known character, you're out of your mind
Holy zoomer gaygola
>Nobody cared who Iron Man was before the first movie either.
What, lol. I didn't read comics but grew up with Iron Man through animated series, toys and the Capcom games. It's the reason I went to watch Iron Man movie. Pretty much all the kids in the 90s cared who Iron Man was since cartoons and games were more centralized and everyone shared basically the same experiences.
why aren't they buying out cinemas like they did for captain marvel and black panther
Disney has to cough up $9B at the end of the month per their agreement with Comcast/Hulu. They literally can't afford it and have no choice but to take the humiliation
haha unlucky
Discovery got it's paws on 40 billion to absorb and ruin Warner Brothers, Disney will manage a mere 8 billion.
Amid the summer of flops, while fighting off two suits from investors and another with the state of Florida, amid terrible merch sales and low park attendance post-COVID, idk friend I think they might be strapped
Disney stock is up almost 5% this month, so investors aren't bothered. Disney has multiple paths to raising 8 billion dollars, it isn't a penny stock like WB.
Not a meaningful fluctuation and one that could signal the opposite of what you're attempting to prove
It's cause by people loading up on stock, that's what makes stock go up. It isn't complicated. People have regained confidence in the company long-term with Iger's return.
I get it.
You live for "Disney is DOOOMED" threads. Cinemaphile has been host to them for years now, since the infamous Blue Milk Incident. They are down off their Pandemic highs but not really struggling that bad.
They will probably never have another 2019. No other studio has even DREAMED of the 2019 Disney had.
>It's cause by people loading up on stock, that's what makes stock go up. It isn't complicated.
Kek, no anon, it's much more complex than that.
Buying stock is what literally causes stock prices to go up.
I really don't want to have to get out my crayons and explain this to you.
Ant-Man- flop
Elemental- flop
Indy- flop
Lil Mermaid- flop
Haunted Mansion- flop
Marvels- flop
You really think Disney is in a good place right now? You're out of your fricking mind
They are having a down year for certain, the wokeness pandering got out of control I agree.
But Disney has flopped 2-3 expensive movies a year for decades.
Movie tickets are far from their main hustle.
Anon, they've had at least 6 big budget flops this year and 1-2 somewhat successful films. This is not 6 movies returning a huge profit and 1-2 flops a year, it is the reverse, and we haven't even seen Wish flop yet
Elemental's box office just from the numbers looks a lot better than all those other movies, and it shows because everyone from box office pundits to Bob Iger kept praising it. Out of all those movies you list I expect Elemental to be more likely to get a sequel.
I mean, Harrison Ford is a gorillion years old, and have they every done sequels to live action adaptations of cartoons?
You could argue that Elemental may have broken even on word-of-mouth but just breaking even is not really success. The Eddie Murphy Haunted Mansion film in '03 was considered a huge flop despite making 180 mill on a 90 mill budget
>but just breaking even is not really success
It's also not a flop. They have plenty of flops but Elemental is not one of them.
Did it meet expectations? Lol no.
Do they expect every animated flick to be Frozen? Nah, they are usually a 50/50 on going big.
If anything, breaking even is worse now because they have to pay money to host their stuff on their own platform instead of making a shitton on physical media and selling streaming rights. I guess it might not be a complete flop, but it would have made actual money if it had a reasonable budget
I don't know that Streaming is cutting into Blu Ray media (it might be?), but nobody is making a dime on Streaming. Netflix was making a profit for like 2 whole years before everyone jumped into join them.
It's a success by the current standards where if you're not a sequel to Toy Story or Frozen you might as well expect failure. Even Dreamworks is getting into the live remake game with Training your Dragon. What I mean is Elemental is huge because it was big enough without being based on anything normies would recognize, and I don't think comparing to some early 00s film is fair because back then the market was different, movies could or not make a big difference in home sales because streaming wasn't remotely a big thing yet, I brought up Elemental because it was reported to be big at home after it left theaters. That's going to build word of mouth for any potential sequel.
I think that's probably fair. I think the film had some heart even if the writing was awful and the aesthetics were terrible outside of fire chick's design. For modern soulless hack-filled Disney, that's very impressive
Elemental made roughly as much as the highest grossing Anime movie of all time. Kek.
Yeah now compare the budgets. You think a throwaway between seasons anime film cost 200 mill?
Yeah now tell me again how Anime/Manga is swelling in popularity. Deadpool didn't cost 200 million either.
How isn't it? Anime and manga are more mainstream worldwide now than they're ever been. America's soft cultural power is almost non-existent at this point because of nepotism and diversity hires. It's entirely possible that Disney will never make a profit on the theatrical run of a film ever again
>merica's soft cultural power is almost non-existent at this point
Oh I'm so sorry, I didn't know you were neurodivergent, I already regret conversing with you.
Imagine how I feel humoring a reality-denying shill who defines himself by his love for blockbusters from a company that hasn't made a profit on a single theatrical release for six months now
Would you rather make 100mil on a 20mil budget or 400mil on a 200mil budget?
Think carefully now
>do i want to make 80 million dollars or 200 million dollars
You should really look at what you're asking before you ask it.
I'm sorry you're a massive moron anon. Trully I am
high interest rates means no cash flow, also no seed money from venture capital. age of cheap money is gone.
$100m ww opening weekend
$220m ww maximum
It's time to reboot the MCU. Introducing X-Men and Fantastic Four would damage their brand value worse than the late game Fox movies did
The franchise is completely out of characters people give a shit about
Reboot the MCU in like 2037. By then people will be tired of video game movies and capeshit can make its comeback.
>2037
Comics in the west and MCU will be long dead by then going by current trends.
Comics are already dead
Superheroes are like Sonic, people like the characters not the media they're in
Does anyone else feel like they've oversaturated the market with superhero movies? Like they're cool and all but when a new one is released every other month it gets old.
They need to space them out more and let people yearn for more.
WB should have walked away from them 6 years ago. Disney went overboard with them per year, but I mean they were regularly pulling a billion with them for a couple years, that WOULD go to your head.
Marvel is in too deep to pull out now.
https://x.com/CultureCrave/status/1722785545393500528?s=20
Pokemon also releases a new game every year and they all clear 15 million despite the obvious decline in quality.
no the problem is first gen supes are the ones most people knew about. now those known actors got cash deals and Disney would have to reboot to get worse paid actors, but because they released so many movies they can't reboot. whinebros does reboot and it's not successful. disney only option are kill cape shit , or push nobodies with niche market to continue cape shit
100%. It was a disastrous overexploitation that led to viewers' saturation and boredom because it violated 2 essential marketing laws:
-it killed the sense of scarcity and became predictable, therefore undervalued
-it generated a paradox of choice vicious circle, making the audience anxious about the amount of stuff to watch and making its products compete with themselves.
it's because of this stupid strike, all these wars, inflation and covid
what strike?
The flash.... won...........
DC is back, bros
how will women ever recover
I don't think Martin would like to talk about flops atm...
Womenbros...
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>https://www.msn.com/en-us/movies/news/box-office-bomb-the-marvels-opening-to-47m-52m-in-new-low-for-marvel-studios/ar-AA1jLEUC?ocid=msedgntp&pc=HCTS&cvid=32464621d16a4387ab78410ea9d4b142&ei=9
>Box Office Bomb: ‘The Marvels' Opening to $47M-$52M in New Low for Marvel Studios
Box Office Bomb: ‘The Marvels' Opening to $47M-$52M in New Low for Marvel Studios
>The Marvels is anything but marvelous so far at the box office.
>Based on Friday earnings of $21.5 million, the Marvel Studios and Disney superhero tentpole is headed for a domestic opening of $47 million to $52 million to rank as the worst start in the history of the Marvel Cinematic Universe.
>The Marvels marks a new low for Kevin Feige's Marvel Studios, which for years was unrivaled in its success, and bolsters the theory that superhero fatigue is a real thing as fanboys grow weary of a glut of titles and are far less forgiving.
>Until now, rival DC was the superhero studio that endured the biggest ups and downs, with a good number of its films opening to $50 million or less (in comparison, many MCU releases started with $100 million or more domestically). This summer, DC's The Flash debuted to a dismal $55 million domestically on its way to topping out at a paltry $270.6 million globally.
>Word of mouth is already hurting The Marvels, which is only the third MCU title to receive a B CinemaScore from audiences after Eternals and Ant-Man and the Wasp: Quantamania. The vast majority of MCU releases have earned some variation of an A. Its Rotten Tomatoes critics' score of 62 percent is likewise on the lower end.
The article goes on a bit, apparently the next lowest opening was The Incredible Hulk fifteen years ago, NOT adjusted for inflation. This is a blood-splattered anal massacre
They blame fatigue yet I think the general sense is that people are irritated with the slow pace of movies being released, and it's performing poorly because the quality has drastically been dropping movie to movie.
They brush against it by saying the fans are far less forgiving, they just omit the reasons the film needs forgiveness
>The article goes on a bit, apparently the next lowest opening was The Incredible Hulk fifteen years ago, NOT adjusted for inflation.
yes, adjusted for inflation it would be 80 million domestic
I'm gay btw, i keep sending bob iger pictures of my butthole but he doesn't respond
Why didn't they just choose to make a good movie?
Hubris. There's a glut of post Endgame movies that got funded early with a feeling of "we can literally sell anything".
It's obfuscating on more than 2 levels.
They had gotten to the point where they sold a billion dollars in tickets to an all black superhero movie, the Avengers were regular billion dollar paychecks, Brie Larson fighting nobodies brought in a billion...
In 2019 Disney took in 40% of total worldwide grosses. They had 7 or 8 movies all break a billion in the same year, and the Avengers started challenging Avatar's record.
Of course they lost their heads.
>Brie Larson fighting nobodies brought in a billion
That didn't happen
>Post yfw capeshit is dead
>Posts Capeshit
FYI to the Disney interns ITT, I will also not be going to see Blacktain America nor will I be watching films in which the villain is played by the Manhattan Strangler. If you plan to proceed with these projects anyway, I'd recommend some budget cuts
capeshit is dead
bury it
It's 4pm Sunday where I live and every showing at my theatre is empty. I think their international projections are still too generous
> The white supremacist, racist, misogynist, incel problem is worse than we thought.
Oy vey we're gonna have to educate the world harder
Why are people so suddenly turned off? Five months ago Transformers: Rise of the Beasts had a $61M domestic opening weekend and that franchise is way more dead than the MCU. Did Oppenheimer and Barbie basically reset the tastes of the audience? Oversaturation of Marvel content? The SAG strike killed the hype?
>People can't afford eggs or gas.
>Billions going over seas to Ukraine and Israel
>Why aren't people showing up to this shitty movie?
Hollywood completely poisoned the well.
That awful Transformers movie was even worse than The Marvels. People are tired of seeing the same old Marvel formula but also worse in every way, and Disney has alienated conservatives who were a huge part of their core audience. The blowout from the trans kid in the softball show is going to be insane. almost all the Hollywood blockbusters this year were average to terrible, and people don't want to pay 15 bucks for average to terrible when they can stay at home and watch whatever shit's on whatever streaming service they've got in 4K
>softball show
?
The Pixar softball show Win or Lose up has a trans kid in it according to a leaked animatic that was going around where they have a panic attack while going into the public bathroom of their preferred gender. Good time to start up a grift channel complaining about stuff being woke, they're going to be eating good
christ that sounds like ass
literally what percent of people will relate to that 0.0000001
The blowout is going to be amazing. Between this and that upcoming cartoon about Mexico where they didn't even use proper grammar in the opening and even hard leftists were calling them racist Disney/Pixar animation seems to be in a terrible fricking place It's what Disney deserves for killing off quality 2D animation in the West
Nah stupid ignorant parents will keep taking their kids to pixar movies just to keep them occupied.
kids don't care about troony movies, parents are aware now and can trick them into watching old things anyway.
You don't have to trick kids into watching old stuff. When I was a kid, I didn't care in the least that the latest Star Wars movie came out before I was born. It was still awesome.
Yeah I was born in the 80s and my favorite film growing up was the '77 Hobbit. There's also a kind of darkness kids respect in older kid's media that isn't in their current slop
More calart garbage... gross
Pixar stuff is so ugly now
People just plain don't care about Captain Marvel or anything surrounding Captain Marvel. All this Kree and Skrull shit just hasn't landed at all
So do you think Captain America without Chris Evans will do well at the box office? Because I think that's doomed too.
No I also think that's doomed. No matter what they say the only Captain America for people is Steve Rogers.
The fact that they pushed the movie back a year and are reshooting it for as long as the original shoot isn't a good sign. They're panicking hard.
Brie is unlikable and bad at acting so nobody wants to sit through a movie knowing that.
Which sucks for her because she seems to really be trying to be relatable, and not look like an butthole elitist like she tried to foster in 2018.
for most actors this is the most difficult thing to act
People see right through her fake image which just makes them hate her even more.
Sounds like projection
She seems chiller now but damn she should never be in a lead role
The movies are mediocre and no one wants to watch dozens of hours of television of shit characters that they don't care about just to be caught up for movie night. Plus the characters that make any impact like Shang-Chi get stuck in purgatory for literal years because the schedule is so bloated that there still hasn't been a new Avengers movie yet
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>if you want to fit in and have a shot at maybe getting a girlfriend one day
Imagine wanting to fit in with the people who enjoy this kind of thing. The normal kind of women you'd want to actually procreate with are interested in trash reality and true crime. And Hallmark christmas movies. And I'm talking actual, literal girl bosses with subordinates and responsibilities, not ham planets with MFAs.
Theatres should start looking at showing more foreign movies
Hollywood is killing itself and theatres must not go down with them
my local did this, started showing indian movies. i don't know that there's even a particularly large amount of indians around here
A lot of theaters in my area are showing foreign films and anime pretty frequently when they only rarely did before. Hollywood's lucky the average person hates reading subs or they'd be fricked so hard by foreign films they'd walk bow-legged for the rest of their lives
Meanwhile, gradually marching its way towards a billion...
gachagays deserve death equally
there's more female skin in this image than in 12 years of the MCU
One thing I will say about this game.
It has a great fricking soundtrack.
You don't need superhero movies staring ladies, we already have Taylor Swift.
What is the target demographic for this film?
Watched a screener and know that I'm not part of that group.
You're never too young, or old, for tentacle cat vore set to Andrew Lloyd Webber
Wine-guzzling Karens with five cats.
And also everybody, as described by a committee of complete idiots who are stupid enough to make "everybody" their target audience. Which means nobody.
More like The Whovilles
They actually called the movie Captain Marvel 2 in China?
>literally not a single white male in the cast
marvelxisters, we finally made it