They've only release 5 movies, and one of them bombed. The other 4 didn't profit $1 billion each. Then they dumped over 2 billion into the parks, which probably hasn't paid for itself yet either.
It's weird how fricked up, stupid and greedy Disney is. They are so souless
They pumped out a few souless woke pieces of shit movies, made a buncha fancy parks, and made 50 new cartoon and lego star wars games, and it's literally all garbage trash and they haven't even covered off buying the brand from Lucas yet
It's just weird how psycho they are about everything. it's like actual robots behind it all that don't understand anything
I pirated wish because my kid wanted to see it. It looked nice but the movie was so safe with no intentional villain or even a problem I was bored out of my mind. My kid is young so he enjoyed the flick but even half way towards the end he was like "what was that? There was no bad guy" he meant conflict but I get what he was saying. I got the sleeping beauty references and even the other yidsney call backs but damn that movie was terrible.
He rightly wanted some sort of battle at the end with the hero against the villain and was disappointed when he got absolutely nothing. Beast Vs Gaston, Ratigan Vs Basil, etc. Those were great fights
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I was honestly surprised by his reaction, proud even. He really did want to see a fight at the end he wanted to see the rise to glory but got bluballed hard lmao. Poor kid, I took him to the park so he could run around and meet new kids, had a wonderful time together.
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Ratigan vs Basil was fricking hardcore, at least in my opinion when I was a kid. Maybe I should rewatch.
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It really was a brutal fight. It looked completely hopeless for Basil to have any prayer to fight off the huge and infuriated Ratigan
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Damn, I saw this when I was 4 and I didn't really get it because it was cartoons. It's actually a pretty good scene, I loved how they did the inner workings of the clock. So much detail.
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Holy shit there's no way they drew that rain, I know part of the film was cgi but man it's so fricking impressive to see the level of detail.
>Then they dumped over 2 billion into the parks, which probably hasn't paid for itself yet either.
Because they insisted on making the parks about the sequel shit nobody gives a frick about.
>do we want to attract the fifty-somethings who have the nostalgia, the money and the families they are going to drag with them to our parks as long as we give them the thing they want? >ooooor do we want to alienate them and instead gamble on attracting an audience that doesn't exist but maybe will some day?
>do we want to attract the fifty-somethings who have the nostalgia, the money and the families they are going to drag with them to our parks as long as we give them the thing they want? >ooooor do we want to alienate them and instead gamble on attracting an audience that doesn't exist but maybe will some day?
>Because they insisted on making the parks about the sequel shit nobody gives a frick about.
Thanks again, Kathleen.
It's not even a planet from the sequel trilogy, it's a Donut Steel planet made specifically for the theme park. Which isn't an entirely bad idea since in theory you could have that spaceport feature rides that take you to all the stuff people like from the wider franchise like in the modern Star Tours, but they were so committed to their "Episode 8.5" storyline that they couldn't do something like relocate Star Tours or even give the Millennium Falcon ride multiple missions. Of course the Falcon thing is specifically the fault of the overpriced LARP hotel incorporating what you do on the Falcon ride into its plot, so it was just easier for the Falcon to go on one adventure to give the LARP's shitty app management only one variable to deal with.
They're at least loosening the leash on walkaround characters by bringing in various streaming show characters, but they're still too stubborn to just go "Frick it, we're putting meet and greets with Darth Vader and Luke here and we'll put Anakin and Padme over here".
Everyone just stopped caring by then but it's not hard to see that Rise of Skywalker was a disaster and would be luck to have made them a penny in actual profit.
Oh little buddy, do you really think it'll make a difference? Okay just for you, let's hold your hand through this:
Budget 416mil
Marketing @100% of Budget 416mil
Global box office 1.077bil
Global profit of 245mil
Minus 1/3 for theatre cut means Disney got somewhere around 164 millions for Rise of Palpatine.
You know what, I think that might be a teeny weeny mite short of the 2.5 billion they were still short in the image, but I dunno math was never my strongsuit.
Honestly the disturbing thing is that pretty much everything is Poe's Law'd to frick these days. It could have been bait, or he could just be a moron like the countless dipshit "journalists" and twittards who believe exactly the same sort of things.
Forget AI, it became impossible to tell reality from fiction years ago.
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Don't worry about it too much, you proved your point and that's enough. Useful idiots will always be around.
Is this a real fact or a chud fact? Just because some YouTubers went around some stores one time to show the "overflowing" inventory doesn't mean that the toys aren't selling.
Kind of is because of hiring for diversity, filling your company with morons, and then having an actual competency crisis because crazy ideologies don't make good movies.
>I can't even begin to imagine how shareholder meetings look like for yidsney.
The problem is most of the shares of the company are owned by regular people as part of their 401k's but are managed by groups like Blackrock and Vanguard. So those two groups who manage the shares get to influence Disney instead of the individual shareholder. If Republicans wanted to really do something to stop this woke DEI bullshit, it would be to take away voting power from investment fund managers, and only let individual shareholders vote for board seats.
The biggest single problem was not having an outline for the sequel trilogy from the beginning. JJ did his signature soft reboot mystery box shit, which laid a very week foundation. Then Rian threw everything out the window. Then they fired Trevorrow, and brough JJ back to shit out an ending. Kathleen should have been able to recognize these problems early on, but she's a woman.
Lucas gave them an outline for the sequels, but Iger didn't want "Somehow Darth Maul returned" and "Let's double down on Midichlorians by having the Whills be creatures inside them manipulating fate and free will"
TLJ really fricked them over, as gay and shitty and series-ruining as TFA was. That idiot JJ is the one who intentionally kiboshed a reunion of Luke, Han and Leia. I'm not usually one for memberberries but this is Star Wars we're talking about, Luke Skywalker, the protagonist of white western fantasy. Anyway, so Abrams should be cast out of Hollywood for his handling of the series, but TLJ is the one that's most incredible to me. I don't know how that movie was allowed to be filmed and released with the name 'Star Wars' on it. The writing is terrible (Holdo not telling Poe she has a plan causes a mutiny, then she reveals her plan was 'run out of gas and hide on the nearest planet' and Poe is fine with it/The token minorites go to a casino planet to find an uberhacker, the only known person who can breech Imperial cyber defenses - he blows them off, they get arrested, and there just happens to be a guy in their cell who can also hack the unhackable firewall) and the entire procession seemed designed to mock people for liking Star Wars. TFA and R1 weren't poorly received, they didn't have to let Rian Johnson burn it all down completely.
Disney is terminally fricked across the board. The people that have finagled themselves into executive positions are spending more than $200 million on tv series that find no audiences and either get cancelled after one season or buried forever. If you were to do an enema on the company I'm sure you'd find that 80% of their management should be liquidated based on results.
The 200 million on series is what I don't understand. Streaming needs content, the more the better. They need to be making made for TV movies and syndicated show type stuff like the stuff that was made for TV in the 80s & 90s Stuff that is cheap but enjoyable. They went from making shows for the Disney channel to insisting everything needs to be a blockbuster. It's like everything needs to be bigger than the last &that's unsustainable
They attach massive budgets even to the projects that don't need them. She Hulk apparently cost around $25 million per episode and it's essentially sex and the city with a green protagonist. How in the frick couldn't they produce that for 1/10 the cost?
Diversity over substance, hiring hack directors like JJ and Ryan who are moronic. Getting a bunch of the team from game of thrones and expecting similar success when they’re actually all a bunch of moronic ‘creatives’ more concerned about social commentary then good story telling.
They tried to milk the series for everything it was worth immediately to try and make back what they spent on it. Reminder Disney said they would make a Star Wars movie every year until we didn't want one anymore and that only died with Solo and Rise of Skywalker. At the end of the day they went into the new movies with a very short sighted approach which is the main reason the sequels are garbage and pale in comparison to even the prequels since they at least had a plan. Next Star Wars will have an even worse time than Rise of Skywalker.
the force awakens proved that all they needed to do was recycle the same plots and stories. But they went so hard with the moronic feminist power fantasies and trying to sell it to an audience that doesn't exist that they completely killed it
Let me tell you a secret anon. These companies aren't ruled by super intelligent businessmen who know the ins and outs of the business and can do everything with precision. They're run by morons. All of them. Just look at the Sony emails. The thing is that these people just have so much fricking money that it doesn't matter if they frick up x10 in a row so long as they win once.
It's like a slot machine. If some fricker puts in $300, loses $250, then wins $350 and then rinse and repeats, do you think he is "good" at playing the slot machine and is a genius? Of course not. You think he's a fricking idiot for wasting all his time and money.
Reorienting a male skew franchise to women, it's literally that simple. Same thing with Star Trek, Tomb Raider, capeshit, the list goes on. They thought doing so would make it more financially successful. They were wrong.
Shounen anime is as male/boy centric as it gets and they have ton of great female characters and people are okay with that but when ever female chars get shine in western sci-fi, fantasy, or action oriented media nerds and white dudes lose their shit and act like they're being genocided.
All the franchises i mentioned including other ones like Underworld, the Milla Jovovich Resident Evil movies have had prominent female characters and were successful. These modern western shows/movies are NOT written for a male audience. Why is this so hard to understand for you people.
People are ok with female characters in shonen anime because they’re made to appeal to men, they’re not made to avoid the male gaze. They’re written with personalities that men like, not written to fulfill some feminists power fantasy. This post just be bait, right?
What is the feminist power fantasy? All of the most popular female characters are claimed to appeal to the male sexual fantasy, even if they're popular with women.
bullshit, there are modern female led movies that are really good but conveniently ignored by the feminist types. Alita, and Rita from Live Die Repeat come to mind for example. The issue with feminists though is that these strong females are also capable of falling in love with men, and willing to die and fight for them. Captain Marvel, the live action princesses, and other shit strong women movies suck because they don't need no man, but in a negative sense. They downplay men, they make men incompetent, etc.
Alita falls in love with that human guy and after he dies, she makes it her goal to go up to kill Nova. Rita starts out like your typical strong female persona but we learn why she is like that and eventually falls in love with Tom Cruise's character. Both characters don't become weak because they fall in love, on the contrary they become stronger because of the need to protect them or to work together with them.
Rian Johnson is largely responsible for killing the franchise with Last Jedi, Solo and Rise of Skywalker was the franchise bleeding out from the deathblow Rain dealt. Honestly surprised someone at Disney hasn't tried to sue him.
>judaism >leaving a woman in charge >malice >incompetence >hubris >firing George >giving women high positions >telling people who have been fans of the series since its inception to frick off and get mad when they finally do after seeing the quality of your product because they don't buy it anymore >Luke Skywalker, blonde hair blue eyed hopeful hero archetype for the Hero's Journey motiff and inspiring figure to boys=bad. Diversity hire, woman lead character, female purplehair leaders=good >lack of George's autism >reliance on callbacks to the original trilogy, didn't come up with a damn thing of anything original on their own >waste of an onscreen reunion of the original cast, all of them die needlessly both on screen and in real life. Disney bet on the wrong horse with that one. >modern writers glorifying cynicism and despair rather than uplifting people with hope and courage in everything they touch that isn't Twitter.
There are probably thousands of threads detailing more and put in better and succinct ways than I could possibly try. Its still a mystery though....
>It has to be more than just diversity
it's a package.
diversity is a part of it.
when you sacrifice job well done to ideology, there's no way you will succeed.
the USSR collapsed because of ideology.
the NATO is losing in Ukraine due to ideology.
pic is israeli Mister Ideology of the (failed) West.
Yes, it's a israelite.
You know how communists believe that it works, it's just the last guy didn't implement it right? Wokeism is the same way. They just keep trying it because they figured that their previous attempt wasn't true wokeism, and the next time they'll get it right.
There's no real endgame. It's just morons hired and doing moronic things.
The money has to dry up at some point, it can't just perpetually keep going. I mean we have enough of a paper trail historical speaking to tell room temp iq morons to frick off.
It requires a good dictator, too. KK was likely the dictator, but she is terrible. Lasseter was the dictator of Pixar and it isn't a surprise that wen they ousted him Pixar's quality declined a lot.
It did come with a huge built-in audience. The fact that the first mainline movie makes 2 billion and a spinoff makes 1 billion spoke volumes about how much of a beloved and hyped IP Star Wars is.
The fact that they fumbled it so hard that Disney is too scared to release any new movies in the franchise because it's going to bomb is just hilarious.
They bought an IP with legs and proceeded to hamstring it in every conceivable manner. Bizarre business practice that ended up producing exactly the predicted results. Every failure followed by some smug assurance that they knew what they were doing, using a million excuses as cope. Sometimes it's exactly as simple as it appears.
>produce Democratic propaganda instead of movies >frick up Battlefront 2015 and Battlefront 2017 >produce Star Wars Rebels >dont kill Ahsoka in Order 66 >give Filoni full license
etc.
>it's real
https://www.forbes.com/sites/carolinereid/2024/04/14/disneys-star-wars-box-office-profits-fail-to-cover-cost-of-lucasfilm/
imagine being some poor schmuck unironically defending disney account trickery when they released that ROI number a while back lmao
>As we revealed, the methodology is questionable as Disney based the ROI on the revenue generated by the movies, merchandise, DVDs and Blu Rays rather than the profit they made as it should have done. Using the revenue rather than the profit artificially inflates the result as it doesn't factor in the costs that Disney had to pay out. >Even this wasn't enough for the media giant so it also forecast the revenue that it expected the Star Wars movies, merchandise, DVDs and Blu Rays to generate over a ten-year period and based the calculation on that too. In other words, Disney hasn't actually received the revenue that it used to calculate the return on its investment.
all those articles uncritically repeating disney's bullshit only for the lede to be buried in one article a month later
This. I work in Finance for a Fortune 10 corporation and I know Disney took a bath on this. Any article stating they made a ROI knows nothing about business. The net operating costs and marketing must be insane. Plus, a $500m profit is a failure if the goal was a $1b. The way Disney has pulled back on producing Star Wars media is proof it doesn't make money. It's switched from a profit channel to a cost channel.
>In summary, despite seeming to do so, Disney's presentation doesn't actually reveal whether its Star Wars movies have covered the cost of its purchase of Lucasfilm.
Its still a bit clickbaity. She doesn't really prove that they didn't cover the cost, only that Disney don't use honest figures.
given the amount of accounting trickery highlighted particularly here
>As we revealed, the methodology is questionable as Disney based the ROI on the revenue generated by the movies, merchandise, DVDs and Blu Rays rather than the profit they made as it should have done. Using the revenue rather than the profit artificially inflates the result as it doesn't factor in the costs that Disney had to pay out. >Even this wasn't enough for the media giant so it also forecast the revenue that it expected the Star Wars movies, merchandise, DVDs and Blu Rays to generate over a ten-year period and based the calculation on that too. In other words, Disney hasn't actually received the revenue that it used to calculate the return on its investment.
all those articles uncritically repeating disney's bullshit only for the lede to be buried in one article a month later
it's hardly that clickbaity. this is above and beyond some minor fluffing
The clickbait is that she is comparing the profit from Disney's five Star Wars movies to the £4 billion purchase price of Lucasfilm.
Much like Disney, she is not making a fair comparison.
Everything should be factored into the calculation, she doesn't factor in the TV shows for example, while Disney don't factor in Indiana Jones and Willow.
she acknowledges that in the article
and given these are the numbers disney itself released in a big bid for publicity that their star wars investment paid off this is a weird nitpick
You're right I am nitpicking. The 3x ROI figure is bullshit. I just think that some people are drawing the wrong conclusion from the article and thinking that this means disney made a loss.
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the issue is we fundamentally do not know the true numbers so it's impossible to say either way without real honesty on the mouse's part
my personal opinion is they finally broke even recently but only just
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>some people are drawing the wrong conclusion from the article and thinking that this means disney made a loss.
Did they not? Here's my understanding of events, let me know where I'm wrong: >Buy franchise for $4b >Spend millions making and marketing movies/shows >Count selling the streaming rights to yourself as pure profit >Only make $2b gross >You lost over a billion dollars but conveniently "forget" to tell your shareholders or the IRS about that
Sounds like a loss to me
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It doesn't count things outside of the five main films. Sure they lost money on the hotel and disneyland park, but they also make lots of money from merch, toys and licensing.
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Okay, slick. Why don't you post some numbers on their toy sales? You keep posting itt that movies don't matter to the studio, it's all about the merch and parks. Show me the gangbuster sales figures for the toys that make up for the billions of dollars of loss. Do that or GTFO.
And no more israeliteery about "projected future figures that leading experts say" it's hard data or bust.
you mean the tv show that was cancelled and stripped off disney+ because it had such catastrophically low streaming numbers? Or do you mean the movie that was confirmed to be a 150 million dollar loss for disney? Good point anon, gotta factor those in too
>With several Star Wars movies in the pipeline, Disney still has a chance to get its money back through their box office profits. The films have rediscovered the magic formula to appeal to fans but aren't yet a force to be reckoned with for investors
Even this seems like copium. If the films rediscovered how to appeal to fans, why aren't they making them any more?
It seems more like they just got lucky with Mandalorian S1 and decided to make that their formula moving forward.
>The films have rediscovered the magic formula to appeal to fans
It's like current year journalism is almost entirely about writing the palpably untrue. With a straight face.
>However, as the series continued there was a disturbance in the force due an over-reliance on computer generated effects and a lack of the gritty quirky characters who made the original movies smash hits.
Holy shit they did everything possible to just pump out an inflatable number and it still failed. >2.8 billy in the hole
JESUS FRICK AND KATHY IS SITLL IN FRICKING CHARGE! THEY WOULD HAVE MURDERED ANY REGULAR homosexual.
>KATHY IS SITLL IN FRICKING CHARGE! THEY WOULD HAVE MURDERED ANY REGULAR homosexual.
At this point, I think it's just Iger fricking things up. He keeps her because she takes the flak for him.
disney is notorious for never admitting failure
they're in the sunk cost fallacy stage at this point. they've invested far too much time trying to salvage their mess for their current leadership to admit the frickup because it would lead to a lot of questions
it's partly why the recent board fight felt so existential
They was a case brought forward in late 2023 about hiding streaming losses. This Forbes article is less than 24 hours old, i would expect more cases soon given this info.
The movies were beloved and they moved merchandise, especially Cars for some reason, like crack-lacked hotcakes. It's a zombie studio now. They've now produced more bad or forgettable movies than good ones on total output.
the 4 billion was before they even spent a dollar on galaxy's edge or any of the new movies or disney+ show. With inflation, just breaking even would be a comical failure for a company of this size.
>it's another "brownoids don't understand gross vs. profit" -episode
Getting real tired of these reruns, bros.
> it’s a thread where people think franchises make most of their money off the movies
Guys. Disney makes money of the merchandise. All the movies are made to push merchandise. The movies could make no money and the investment would still be fruitful as long as manchildren keep by Darth Vader funkos
If they're making any money off the merchandising on Star Wars, then it is from the OT stuff only. The ST stuff ain't selling at all.
It is likely that George Lucas retains a lot if not all of the merchandising rights to OT, which is why Disney was so desperate to pivot as quickly as they can to ST shit and even disrespect the OT in their movies so that people jump ship to the new stuff.
True. Who knows how much of the merchandizing right Lucas kept. Iirc he famously got most of the rights to the OT, which is where he made his money. But I doubt Disney would by Star Wars without a sizable cut of the earnings the merch brings in.
I think the NT pivot was Disney attempt to bring in the adolescent-teenage-millennial girl market they saw with the likes of Harry Potter, Twilight, and Hunger Games. Disney knew they had boys locked down with the OT and prequels.
>Piles of Finn, Rose, and Rey figures rotting in Walmart bargain bins that they cannot sell
I remember this one stupid light sabre that a Jedi negress had in one of the many dumb shows Disney made. It was really expensive and it didn't sell at all. In fact, I think they wanted to measure interest in it before they made too many and then scraped it when they saw absolutely nobody wanted the thing
They had some kind of GoFundMe. Reva's lightsaber was the only one that failed to reach its goal, as every other lightsaber GoFundMe did.
My mom bought a Reva lightsaber toy for her grandkids because she knows shit about Star Wars (the kids don't play with it and haven't even opened it), so Disney is moving merchandise slowly along.
Don't forget that with inflation that $4 billion is $5.4 billion.
Also Disney spent $2 billion adding Star Wars shit to their theme parks and spent $400 million on their Galactic Starcruiser hotel which they were forced to close within 18 months.
"However, as the series continued there was a disturbance in the force due an over-reliance on computer generated effects and a lack of the gritty quirky characters who made the original movies smash hits."
what bullshit, it was because of TLJ, fricking coward journalist
The Star Wars franchise hasn't been about Box Office since the first film. Everything from Empire Strikes Back onward has been about licensing and merchandise. Go walk into a Walmart toy section and see.
>im homos the exual
kys. when life is over i will be waiting by the cosmic highway for all shills; wether you go up or downward, I will follow you for eternity and will hold you responsible for every lie, shill or embelishment youve set into existance with hate and a 20 cent a comment wage. jannies jeluous btw. so tread lightly homosexual
Basically you need a Stonethrow picture of Mickey saying "Movies?"
I guess Disneyhaeterbois can console themselves with unsold Finn figures and pretend they don't move shiploads of Star Wars gear.
Absolutely no kids are playing with modern Star Wars toys, or "classic" Star Wars either for that matter. I know Disney really wanted to make Rey into the "Disney Princess of Star Wars" but little girls didn't give a frick about that. They would unironically have had better luck with the cartoon Ahsoka more than a decade ago but I don't know if kids cared about her either.
The last time a Disney princess was successful and popular was Frozen, even black girls dressed up as her.
>They failed to sell Star Wars toys to little girls
Lol, children were never the target of Star Wars, from the very beginning. For the last few decades the target has been StarWars Sois with disposable income. Get real.
Also stop posting pictures of me.
I call bullshit, if they didn't Walmart wouldn't have them on shelves. There's pretty fierce competition for shelf-space in Walmarts.
Is it the craze of the 80's? No.
I see a lot of anime shit sell way more than star wars shit.
the issue is we fundamentally do not know the true numbers so it's impossible to say either way without real honesty on the mouse's part
my personal opinion is they finally broke even recently but only just
If they haven't released any numbers it doesn't look good.
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World class bullshitters has tracked down tens of thousands of Disney nu wars that's in thrift shops all across America! Literally pennies on the dollar.
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Industry people estimate that Star Wars merch generates $2-3 billion a year for Disney, on the higher end of that figure when there's a movie (of any quality) in theaters. Every single year.
That's what they paid the 4 billion for.
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What source? We can't even trust yidsney directly with their numbers.
> If you want any of these products you must carry these as well
Business 101. They do the same thing with films, to get any big Disney films your theater MUST buy a "catalog" of other shit and must also devote a certain percentage of your screens/showtimes to them or they won't sell to you anymore.
George got all the merchandise revenue, it was part of his deal. of course box office matters, the studio wanted big numbers for themselves, George wanted to sell toys
>George got all the merchandise revenue
This was true until he sold to Disney; now he gets a regular "salary" from Disney, who hold 100% of the merchandising rights.
>Go walk into a Walmart toy section and see.
The times I’ve been in the Walmart toysecripn to pick up gifts for my nieces and nephews the Star Wars toys are always full stock. Kids don't play with toys anymore, and there aren't enough collectors interested in Rose or whatever other shit character they shut out.
What are the victories Disney points to when displaying how well they've handled the franchise?
The earnings from the first mediocre movie in 2015 would definitely be one.
Is there are second? It just seems to be loss after loss after loss with everything else.
I wonder if they'll still be able to call that one a victory if the Grogu movie (assuming it doesn't get cancelled like everything else they announce) flops or underperforms in 2026?
Your image doesn't change the facts.
Disney's hustle is merchandise and then parks and then way down the list movies. If they make 1-2 merchandisable movies every 5 years they are golden.
This is how Disney was understood before the MCU dominated theaters for several years, then low IQ anons like yourself decided they were primarily a movie studio like Warners and got all excited about their box office.
Just giving you the facts, dimwit.
Disney's ownership of Worldwide box office in 2019 was an aberration; it's not how the company is set up to make money. Long-term it just set them up with another pipeline of merch.
i will find you and you will be punished for your lies. you understand that right? none of us are putting up with your israeli lies. its over you overplayed your dumb israelite hand
Their merchandise and theme parks are fuelled by their films. It's a symbiotic relationship. If the brand and the content it produces becomes tainted then it runs down the line and will eventually impact those parks and merchandise, if it hasn't already.
Theme Parks have been the primary engine of the company since the 70s and most of their classic rides were the product of "The studio can't do a goddamn thing in this genre so we gotta make something compelling on our own with it instead". While things shifted under Eisner when they started making good movies again or making deals with other companies, there was still a balance between tie-in and original content. The "pre-established IPs only" mandate was something Iger created and the only way Imagineering can really make anything new now is to tie it into their SEA lore since "If you can make a decent adaptation of one of our rides, you can start another cinematic universe" is enough of a hook for the higher ups to let them develop the groundwork.
Lucas essentially gave SW to Disney for a fraction of what its worth because he was tired of handling it and his friendship with Kennedy. Disney likely made the money up in merchandising alone before releasing a single movie.
Kathleen Kennedy: nobody cared who I was until I took over LucasFilm
Disney shareholders: well congratulations you got yourself a $6 Billion loss. Now what’s the next step of your master plan?
KK: crashing this franchise, with no survivors!
That's why the Disney israelites will keep putting out a never-ending stream of goyslop like Mandalorian, Obi Wan, Ahsoka, Boba Fett, Andor, Solo, TFA, TLJ, and TRoS.
ADMIRAL!?!? How old is the character supposed to be?? I thought Mando was like 40 years after the clone wars ended, and Jack Black is 54. Nobody in their 20s achieves the rank of admiral, let alone their fricking teens! It's bad enough Bo Karen only seems 40 but what's the damn timeline here? I know this is crap for kids, but couldn't they maintain ANY internal consistency? It's just one more facet of Disney's hubris, thinking people will gobble up whatever diarrhea they produce and not ask the most basic questions.
> Box office profits generated by Disney's Star Wars movies have fallen $2.8 billion short of covering the media giant's purchase of the sci-fi saga’s creator, Lucasfilm, according to analysis of recently-filed financial statements.
And Disney playing fast and loose with the numbers in their report. Not netting against production costs is -- creative:
Disney fricking sucks at world building and merchandising for Star Wars. I could make their profits back with two products. A Rogue Squadron movie (Top Gun in space), and subsequent video game. It would sell out theaters, the game would break sales records. >but Squadrons flopped
Because it had barely any story, wasn't attached to any other media, and the main game mode was some tiny 5v5 bullshit
No shit. Movies rarely make billions of dollars. Merch sales are where the dimes get drawn, and the cultish consoooooomer mindset of both Disney and SW fangoys means that they've probably made back that 4 billy back multiple times over through toy sales alone.
What toys? They've released like 1 game every 5 years that does mediocre at best, nobody's buying figures. Legos are all overly expensive, so only collectors are buying those
I have not seen a single nu-star wars toy or any merch anywhere in any home I've been to in the last 10 years. The only merch I can possibly see anyone having is that baby yoda. But I actually haven't seen that anywhere.
Back in the day, old Star Wars merchandise. Everywhere.
I remember seeing the Special Editions at the cinema and the very first thing me and half the other kids who watched did was drag our parents straight to Toys'R'Us and try to badger them into getting us something(Luke figure for ANH, Snowspeeder for Empire, and got an A-Wing and B-Wing after Jedi - cost me weeks of pocket money). Same sort of shit with the Prequels. With Disneywars, they're lucky if any of the audience *are* children, and I think I noticed one that was actually hyped enough to not immediately sink back into the Phone Zone the moment they got out of their seats.
Even if they had made back the raw cash they invested in buying the franchise, which we now have proof they didn't, but even if they had Disneywars would still be a failure because the Sequels have failed to do what all previous cinematic eras of the franchise did: create a whole new generation of obsessive fans who'll still be buying your shit twenty or thirty years down the line.
Banning females from work is a shit idea, bans of any kind simply don't work in a post-internet world. What WOULD work with women is social engineering, because they are easily influenced. We need to bring back shaming. Not even 50 years ago a girl would be scared shitless of being considered an old maid femcel, and would marry as soon as she left high school. My mom is 52 and she said that her school friends used to tell her that all childless women go insane when they get old. We need to bring back this sentiment.
Disney said in their report to shareholders that they know they are doing things that fans don't want but "it's for the good of the world" (something like that).
I don't know why they aren't getting sued for not maximizing profits when they admit in their own report that they aren't doing their fiduciary duty.
Going by the films alone, without any consideration of merch or post release DVD and home release data, ~~*Disney*~~ only managed to generate about $980 million, which isn't even 1/4 of the reported $4 billion they paid Lucas.
Now let's look at the D+ TV trash: source - screen rant >The Mandalorian isn't the most expensive - costing $120 million for one season. >The Obi-Wan Kenobi series had the lowest budget at $90 million for six episodes >Andor, the prequel to Rogue One, is the most expensive Star Wars TV show yet, with a budget of around $250 million for 12 episodes. >Ahsoka’s budget has yet to be revealed – but it’s expected to be more than $100 million. > seems likely that the budget for Disney+'s The Book of Boba Fett will match that of The Mandalorian season 1: A whopping $100 million.
That's another $660 million invested, so if you subtract those costs from the profit they made from the films: $980 - $660 = $320 million in proft.
So they've made a whopping total of $320 million in profit from film and TV after paying Lucas $4 billion dollars. That means they have to make up those costs elsewhere, and NOBODY is buying Nu-Wars merch, or the shit they're pushing on the TV.
So no, they've haven't made their money back from the films and TV shows. Not when you consider costs.
Didn't they also spend 2 billion dollars for their LARP hotel that closed within a year?
The closest we got to Disney admitting anything is that they made 12 billion dollars on Star Wars. Who knows if that's revenue or profit, but people are running with it and claiming a 3x ROI.
I forgot to add a couple. Here's the Willow tv series.... >According to Forbes: Disney has revealed that it spent $105.9 million (£83.1 million) on making Willow, a sword and sorcery series which was dropped from its streaming platform after just six months.
So total TV costs are estimated at about $760 mil.
Now for the Indiana Jones flop: >Dial of destiny total budget / marketing costs: $450 mil >Net box office earnings: $190 mil >Total net LOSS of: $260 mil
So if we take away another $260 mil from the Lucasfilm box office profit totals we get: $980 mil profit - $260 mil losses = $720 mil profit.
So they managed to earn $720 mil in profit from the Lucasfilm movies, but sank at LEAST $760 mil into their ~~*Disney +*~~ trash that nobody watches, and that's without consideration for any TV marketing costs. They may have spent $4 BILLION dollars only to end up with a net LOSS of $40 million dollars as a result of woke agenda crap, and terrible decision making.
to Forbes: Disney has revealed that it spent $105.9 million (£83.1 million) on making Willow, a sword and sorcery series which was dropped from its streaming platform after just six months.
Jesus fricking christ. This alone would be enough to result in heavy firing squads only ten years ago. REMINDER Disney fired Whedon after AoU performed slightly worse than expectations
heres the thing though... they paid half cash and half in stock. lucas owns 37.1 million shares of disney and its worth over 4 billion at the close today.
they also acquired the rights to all the original films and prequels when they bought out 20th century fox. the also got ILM, skywalker sound
keep mathing cause you are missing the entire picture
>keep mathing cause you are missing the entire picture
Not at all. My focus is solely on the products they've released, and they have failed miserably. So while they may have gotten their cash back through other means, it's certainly not because of the success of any of their films or TV shows.
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the entire premise of the OP headline is absurd to begin with. they are counting star wars franchise box office numbers only. of course it wont cover it. its clickbait
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>arbitrary time frame >ignores other revenue streams >doesn't consider current potential resale value of the asset >no indication as to whether it was expected to do so >moronic teenagers still swallow bait whole
that's perfect for this board now >
>intentionally and spitefully piss off and alienate fans as much as possible >wonder why you're failing and people are mad at you
Disney is run by morons
Everything sucks now to the point where I can't get excited about anything anymore. Even stuff made outside of the west, like in Japan, I have doubts over because israeli claws reach all the way over there now as well
>Western adaptions of Japanese media like Netflix = shit >Western localization done by big companies and not independent weebs = shit >Japanese media with western oversight committees and shareholders altering them while they're made = shit >Japanese companies like Capcom that are hooked into Larry Fink and start ruining their own IPs themselves = shit
Hollywood accounting is to hide profits so they don't have to pay residuals. When you say this 35 million dollar movie that made 680 million dollars at the box office was unprofitable, then that's Hollywood accounting.
It looks like no amount of Hollywood accounting can try to make these Star Wars movies look like they're profitable.
Merch isn't the same as it was 30 years Ago. Kids don't play with nearly as many toys as they use to in the 80s and 90s. Everything is digital now. Even as a kid in the 90s I would want a super Nintendo game over a toy any day of the week.
Okay, so that means Disney would have known that going in and would have to rely on the movies more to get a return on investment on their purchase. And they fricked that up.
>Hmm toys are out videogames are in. What should we do? >We'll give EA a 10 year exclusive deal to make Star Wars games! >EA makes two Star Wars games
Wtf was that.
Idk why people keep talking about toys. Kids don't like toys anymore nor do they like Star Wars. Hasbro produces a fraction of the Star Wars merch they used to before 2012 and it's only adults buying them now
I always see people saying some new character or ship design was made specifically to sell toys but nah no one's making merch for that shit that era is gone
ILM basically changed how movies were made. It was the home of animatronics and the spearhead of the digital revolution as the birthplace of non linear editing, photoshop and so many other technologies. It was absolutely much more than just SW and Disney mistreated it to say the least.
Not only the quality of it´s productions has decreased but they are burnt out. Completely and utterly creatively bankrupt. It´s like watching a terminal patient keep striving and suffering just to stay alive... a fricking disgrace for it to die like that.
Dunking on nerds and ruining things they enjoy transcends any monetary value. You know those bullies in high school that would smash your lego models? They've upgraded to smashing your entire favorite franchises.
>All upcoming games got cancelled in the acquisition. Battlefront 2 was such a blight on the gaming industry thanks to Disney's greed and meddling that it literally rewrote U.S. law and is now a poisoned brand, even more so with the failed reboot.
The lootbox shit was hilarious. Watching morons streaming that pile of shit and get wound up over a cooldown timer on XP for single player progression was pure kino.
Except for Solo (and non-Star Wars Indy 5) they all grossed $1 billion, one almost made $1 billion just in North America. That means audiences watched the movies. It's Disney's fault that they couldn't profit from $5 billion in theater attendance of 5 movies
>gross
Doesn't matter. Net profits are what counts, and they made about $980 mil from all their new star wars stuff, and lost another $260 mil from their Indiana Jones bomb. A $720 mil net from Lucasfilm franchise films is absolutely abysmal, and frankly, negligent on their part for the stock holders. Especially when it cost them $4 billion to get the rights for that shit.
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After all those years? Impossible.
They've only release 5 movies, and one of them bombed. The other 4 didn't profit $1 billion each. Then they dumped over 2 billion into the parks, which probably hasn't paid for itself yet either.
If you mean the parks with sci-fi themed pods they are closing lol
It's weird how fricked up, stupid and greedy Disney is. They are so souless
They pumped out a few souless woke pieces of shit movies, made a buncha fancy parks, and made 50 new cartoon and lego star wars games, and it's literally all garbage trash and they haven't even covered off buying the brand from Lucas yet
It's just weird how psycho they are about everything. it's like actual robots behind it all that don't understand anything
I pirated wish because my kid wanted to see it. It looked nice but the movie was so safe with no intentional villain or even a problem I was bored out of my mind. My kid is young so he enjoyed the flick but even half way towards the end he was like "what was that? There was no bad guy" he meant conflict but I get what he was saying. I got the sleeping beauty references and even the other yidsney call backs but damn that movie was terrible.
>showing disney princess movie to a boy
Wtf
Just because you turned out to be a flaming homo, doesn't mean mine will.
He rightly wanted some sort of battle at the end with the hero against the villain and was disappointed when he got absolutely nothing. Beast Vs Gaston, Ratigan Vs Basil, etc. Those were great fights
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I was honestly surprised by his reaction, proud even. He really did want to see a fight at the end he wanted to see the rise to glory but got bluballed hard lmao. Poor kid, I took him to the park so he could run around and meet new kids, had a wonderful time together.
Ratigan vs Basil was fricking hardcore, at least in my opinion when I was a kid. Maybe I should rewatch.
It really was a brutal fight. It looked completely hopeless for Basil to have any prayer to fight off the huge and infuriated Ratigan
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Damn, I saw this when I was 4 and I didn't really get it because it was cartoons. It's actually a pretty good scene, I loved how they did the inner workings of the clock. So much detail.
Holy shit there's no way they drew that rain, I know part of the film was cgi but man it's so fricking impressive to see the level of detail.
>Then they dumped over 2 billion into the parks, which probably hasn't paid for itself yet either.
Because they insisted on making the parks about the sequel shit nobody gives a frick about.
>Because they insisted on making the parks about the sequel shit nobody gives a frick about.
Thanks again, Kathleen.
>do we want to attract the fifty-somethings who have the nostalgia, the money and the families they are going to drag with them to our parks as long as we give them the thing they want?
>ooooor do we want to alienate them and instead gamble on attracting an audience that doesn't exist but maybe will some day?
The stupidity and hubris is almost impressive.
It's not even a planet from the sequel trilogy, it's a Donut Steel planet made specifically for the theme park. Which isn't an entirely bad idea since in theory you could have that spaceport feature rides that take you to all the stuff people like from the wider franchise like in the modern Star Tours, but they were so committed to their "Episode 8.5" storyline that they couldn't do something like relocate Star Tours or even give the Millennium Falcon ride multiple missions. Of course the Falcon thing is specifically the fault of the overpriced LARP hotel incorporating what you do on the Falcon ride into its plot, so it was just easier for the Falcon to go on one adventure to give the LARP's shitty app management only one variable to deal with.
They're at least loosening the leash on walkaround characters by bringing in various streaming show characters, but they're still too stubborn to just go "Frick it, we're putting meet and greets with Darth Vader and Luke here and we'll put Anakin and Padme over here".
looks like the independent research chuds were right all along.
Why did you guys stop or why do you only have the version saved that has no Rise of Skywalker? Thats kinda weird. Oh well.
Everyone just stopped caring by then but it's not hard to see that Rise of Skywalker was a disaster and would be luck to have made them a penny in actual profit.
Oh little buddy, do you really think it'll make a difference? Okay just for you, let's hold your hand through this:
Budget 416mil
Marketing @100% of Budget 416mil
Global box office 1.077bil
Global profit of 245mil
Minus 1/3 for theatre cut means Disney got somewhere around 164 millions for Rise of Palpatine.
You know what, I think that might be a teeny weeny mite short of the 2.5 billion they were still short in the image, but I dunno math was never my strongsuit.
We both know you wasted your time, that guy posted shit bait and bounced. But I would like to thank you for your effort.
Honestly the disturbing thing is that pretty much everything is Poe's Law'd to frick these days. It could have been bait, or he could just be a moron like the countless dipshit "journalists" and twittards who believe exactly the same sort of things.
Forget AI, it became impossible to tell reality from fiction years ago.
Don't worry about it too much, you proved your point and that's enough. Useful idiots will always be around.
where are the toy sales?
You know? Real money maker.
Pieces of shit that cost 5$ to make and get sold for 60$
Toy sales were so abysmal it killed off Toys'R'Us
>where are the toy sales?
The toy sales were so bad that Disney refused to publish sales numbers anymore.
Retail stores have to put the toys on clearance just to get rid of them, and that still isn't enough. Most get donated or sold for recycling.
Is this a real fact or a chud fact? Just because some YouTubers went around some stores one time to show the "overflowing" inventory doesn't mean that the toys aren't selling.
>pic rel
its israelite
you will be found
still more proof than endlessley repeating "b-but le merch!"
>what is compound interest
It's over
What about fox?
dohohoho
NO REFUNDS BOB
Reminder that Lucas recommended KK as head of Lucasfilm.
He set them up for failure.
George must really hate Disney and Bob Iger.
>No, keep Bob Iger in charge. Hahaha.
They have some dirt on him. Iger bragged about how he pressured George into selling. Emphasis on pressured. George wants it all to burn.
>NO REFUNDS BOB
This homosexual recommended Kennedy as the head of studios, endorsed Igger during the recent vote, and owns majority share in Didney.
Frick off with your bullshit.
I mean it’s not like they were left holding the baggie. They fumbled the bag instead.
How do you just completely frick up this bad? It has to be more than just diversity, who allowed this to happen? Why? For what conceivable reason?
Kind of is because of hiring for diversity, filling your company with morons, and then having an actual competency crisis because crazy ideologies don't make good movies.
I can't even begin to imagine how shareholder meetings look like for yidsney.
>I can't even begin to imagine how shareholder meetings look like for yidsney.
The problem is most of the shares of the company are owned by regular people as part of their 401k's but are managed by groups like Blackrock and Vanguard. So those two groups who manage the shares get to influence Disney instead of the individual shareholder. If Republicans wanted to really do something to stop this woke DEI bullshit, it would be to take away voting power from investment fund managers, and only let individual shareholders vote for board seats.
anon, republicans invented woke/dei/esg, to prevent another occupy. banks and corporations are inherently/invariably right wing concepts.
women and minorities joined forces to destroy the greatest white male franchise of all time. theres an allegory somewhere here
nice try whitey but this is a israelitechad franchise
>jewchad
Sweet I can add that to my list of favorite oxymorons like military intelligence and african inventions.
I like George but his ignorance does not forgive his complicity.
The biggest single problem was not having an outline for the sequel trilogy from the beginning. JJ did his signature soft reboot mystery box shit, which laid a very week foundation. Then Rian threw everything out the window. Then they fired Trevorrow, and brough JJ back to shit out an ending. Kathleen should have been able to recognize these problems early on, but she's a woman.
Lucas never had an outline for his trilogies
Well of course, he just stole most of his shit and rewrote it to pass off as a quick scifi flick.
Lucas gave them an outline for the sequels, but Iger didn't want "Somehow Darth Maul returned" and "Let's double down on Midichlorians by having the Whills be creatures inside them manipulating fate and free will"
TLJ really fricked them over, as gay and shitty and series-ruining as TFA was. That idiot JJ is the one who intentionally kiboshed a reunion of Luke, Han and Leia. I'm not usually one for memberberries but this is Star Wars we're talking about, Luke Skywalker, the protagonist of white western fantasy. Anyway, so Abrams should be cast out of Hollywood for his handling of the series, but TLJ is the one that's most incredible to me. I don't know how that movie was allowed to be filmed and released with the name 'Star Wars' on it. The writing is terrible (Holdo not telling Poe she has a plan causes a mutiny, then she reveals her plan was 'run out of gas and hide on the nearest planet' and Poe is fine with it/The token minorites go to a casino planet to find an uberhacker, the only known person who can breech Imperial cyber defenses - he blows them off, they get arrested, and there just happens to be a guy in their cell who can also hack the unhackable firewall) and the entire procession seemed designed to mock people for liking Star Wars. TFA and R1 weren't poorly received, they didn't have to let Rian Johnson burn it all down completely.
I cannot read this rant, this anon is either a israelite or trying very hard to sound like one, it's just kvetching.
If Johnson had the trilogy from the start it would've turned out better
its got something to do with THE MESSAGE rather than actual storytelling
>It has to be more than just diversity
It is literally because of the woke garbage that the diversity hires pushed for.
Is it really diversity or is it more nepotism?
to own the chuds
>if I kill myself, I win.
Interesting premise, the 7 dimensional baccarat game is too much for me to understand.
Disney is terminally fricked across the board. The people that have finagled themselves into executive positions are spending more than $200 million on tv series that find no audiences and either get cancelled after one season or buried forever. If you were to do an enema on the company I'm sure you'd find that 80% of their management should be liquidated based on results.
I once did an enema to my constipated kitten, then rushed to the litter box, he then canon balled a logger and made a mess on the floor.
The 200 million on series is what I don't understand. Streaming needs content, the more the better. They need to be making made for TV movies and syndicated show type stuff like the stuff that was made for TV in the 80s & 90s Stuff that is cheap but enjoyable. They went from making shows for the Disney channel to insisting everything needs to be a blockbuster. It's like everything needs to be bigger than the last &that's unsustainable
They attach massive budgets even to the projects that don't need them. She Hulk apparently cost around $25 million per episode and it's essentially sex and the city with a green protagonist. How in the frick couldn't they produce that for 1/10 the cost?
Diversity over substance, hiring hack directors like JJ and Ryan who are moronic. Getting a bunch of the team from game of thrones and expecting similar success when they’re actually all a bunch of moronic ‘creatives’ more concerned about social commentary then good story telling.
They tried to milk the series for everything it was worth immediately to try and make back what they spent on it. Reminder Disney said they would make a Star Wars movie every year until we didn't want one anymore and that only died with Solo and Rise of Skywalker. At the end of the day they went into the new movies with a very short sighted approach which is the main reason the sequels are garbage and pale in comparison to even the prequels since they at least had a plan. Next Star Wars will have an even worse time than Rise of Skywalker.
the force awakens proved that all they needed to do was recycle the same plots and stories. But they went so hard with the moronic feminist power fantasies and trying to sell it to an audience that doesn't exist that they completely killed it
Let me tell you a secret anon. These companies aren't ruled by super intelligent businessmen who know the ins and outs of the business and can do everything with precision. They're run by morons. All of them. Just look at the Sony emails. The thing is that these people just have so much fricking money that it doesn't matter if they frick up x10 in a row so long as they win once.
It's like a slot machine. If some fricker puts in $300, loses $250, then wins $350 and then rinse and repeats, do you think he is "good" at playing the slot machine and is a genius? Of course not. You think he's a fricking idiot for wasting all his time and money.
Women not named Marsha Lucas are terrible at making films.
Reorienting a male skew franchise to women, it's literally that simple. Same thing with Star Trek, Tomb Raider, capeshit, the list goes on. They thought doing so would make it more financially successful. They were wrong.
Shounen anime is as male/boy centric as it gets and they have ton of great female characters and people are okay with that but when ever female chars get shine in western sci-fi, fantasy, or action oriented media nerds and white dudes lose their shit and act like they're being genocided.
All the franchises i mentioned including other ones like Underworld, the Milla Jovovich Resident Evil movies have had prominent female characters and were successful. These modern western shows/movies are NOT written for a male audience. Why is this so hard to understand for you people.
Hmmm, it is as if Japan doesn't have massive communist infestation the way the West does.
People are ok with female characters in shonen anime because they’re made to appeal to men, they’re not made to avoid the male gaze. They’re written with personalities that men like, not written to fulfill some feminists power fantasy. This post just be bait, right?
What is the feminist power fantasy? All of the most popular female characters are claimed to appeal to the male sexual fantasy, even if they're popular with women.
bullshit, there are modern female led movies that are really good but conveniently ignored by the feminist types. Alita, and Rita from Live Die Repeat come to mind for example. The issue with feminists though is that these strong females are also capable of falling in love with men, and willing to die and fight for them. Captain Marvel, the live action princesses, and other shit strong women movies suck because they don't need no man, but in a negative sense. They downplay men, they make men incompetent, etc.
Alita falls in love with that human guy and after he dies, she makes it her goal to go up to kill Nova. Rita starts out like your typical strong female persona but we learn why she is like that and eventually falls in love with Tom Cruise's character. Both characters don't become weak because they fall in love, on the contrary they become stronger because of the need to protect them or to work together with them.
Rian Johnson is largely responsible for killing the franchise with Last Jedi, Solo and Rise of Skywalker was the franchise bleeding out from the deathblow Rain dealt. Honestly surprised someone at Disney hasn't tried to sue him.
>It has to be more than just diversity
Why? It does exactly what was expected.
>judaism
>leaving a woman in charge
>malice
>incompetence
>hubris
>firing George
>giving women high positions
>telling people who have been fans of the series since its inception to frick off and get mad when they finally do after seeing the quality of your product because they don't buy it anymore
>Luke Skywalker, blonde hair blue eyed hopeful hero archetype for the Hero's Journey motiff and inspiring figure to boys=bad. Diversity hire, woman lead character, female purplehair leaders=good
>lack of George's autism
>reliance on callbacks to the original trilogy, didn't come up with a damn thing of anything original on their own
>waste of an onscreen reunion of the original cast, all of them die needlessly both on screen and in real life. Disney bet on the wrong horse with that one.
>modern writers glorifying cynicism and despair rather than uplifting people with hope and courage in everything they touch that isn't Twitter.
There are probably thousands of threads detailing more and put in better and succinct ways than I could possibly try. Its still a mystery though....
>It has to be more than just diversity
it's a package.
diversity is a part of it.
when you sacrifice job well done to ideology, there's no way you will succeed.
the USSR collapsed because of ideology.
the NATO is losing in Ukraine due to ideology.
pic is israeli Mister Ideology of the (failed) West.
Yes, it's a israelite.
So what's the endgame? Why frick up this hard?
You know how communists believe that it works, it's just the last guy didn't implement it right? Wokeism is the same way. They just keep trying it because they figured that their previous attempt wasn't true wokeism, and the next time they'll get it right.
There's no real endgame. It's just morons hired and doing moronic things.
The money has to dry up at some point, it can't just perpetually keep going. I mean we have enough of a paper trail historical speaking to tell room temp iq morons to frick off.
Ask the israelites.
Ask the israelites why they're trying to destroy the West.
>NATO is losing in Ukraine
Still believing in Paris in three days, Ivan?
A good movie requires a dictator with a vision, and nu star wars is runned by democratic gays that puts everything to vote
It requires a good dictator, too. KK was likely the dictator, but she is terrible. Lasseter was the dictator of Pixar and it isn't a surprise that wen they ousted him Pixar's quality declined a lot.
humiliation ritual
DEI=DIE
they thought paying 4 billion for the franchise gives them automatic creative stats
It did come with a huge built-in audience. The fact that the first mainline movie makes 2 billion and a spinoff makes 1 billion spoke volumes about how much of a beloved and hyped IP Star Wars is.
The fact that they fumbled it so hard that Disney is too scared to release any new movies in the franchise because it's going to bomb is just hilarious.
They bought an IP with legs and proceeded to hamstring it in every conceivable manner. Bizarre business practice that ended up producing exactly the predicted results. Every failure followed by some smug assurance that they knew what they were doing, using a million excuses as cope. Sometimes it's exactly as simple as it appears.
>produce Democratic propaganda instead of movies
>frick up Battlefront 2015 and Battlefront 2017
>produce Star Wars Rebels
>dont kill Ahsoka in Order 66
>give Filoni full license
etc.
Disney is not that incompetent. ~~*They*~~ wanted to destroy the goy's cultural heroes, and $4 billion is not too high of a price to do that.
No it's literally just the poisonous destructive nature of the communist orthodoxy the company has been captured by.
>9001 replies by seething electiongays who think everything is connected to their obsession
>it's real
https://www.forbes.com/sites/carolinereid/2024/04/14/disneys-star-wars-box-office-profits-fail-to-cover-cost-of-lucasfilm/
imagine being some poor schmuck unironically defending disney account trickery when they released that ROI number a while back lmao
>As we revealed, the methodology is questionable as Disney based the ROI on the revenue generated by the movies, merchandise, DVDs and Blu Rays rather than the profit they made as it should have done. Using the revenue rather than the profit artificially inflates the result as it doesn't factor in the costs that Disney had to pay out.
>Even this wasn't enough for the media giant so it also forecast the revenue that it expected the Star Wars movies, merchandise, DVDs and Blu Rays to generate over a ten-year period and based the calculation on that too. In other words, Disney hasn't actually received the revenue that it used to calculate the return on its investment.
all those articles uncritically repeating disney's bullshit only for the lede to be buried in one article a month later
This. I work in Finance for a Fortune 10 corporation and I know Disney took a bath on this. Any article stating they made a ROI knows nothing about business. The net operating costs and marketing must be insane. Plus, a $500m profit is a failure if the goal was a $1b. The way Disney has pulled back on producing Star Wars media is proof it doesn't make money. It's switched from a profit channel to a cost channel.
>In summary, despite seeming to do so, Disney's presentation doesn't actually reveal whether its Star Wars movies have covered the cost of its purchase of Lucasfilm.
Its still a bit clickbaity. She doesn't really prove that they didn't cover the cost, only that Disney don't use honest figures.
given the amount of accounting trickery highlighted particularly here
it's hardly that clickbaity. this is above and beyond some minor fluffing
The clickbait is that she is comparing the profit from Disney's five Star Wars movies to the £4 billion purchase price of Lucasfilm.
Much like Disney, she is not making a fair comparison.
Everything should be factored into the calculation, she doesn't factor in the TV shows for example, while Disney don't factor in Indiana Jones and Willow.
she acknowledges that in the article
and given these are the numbers disney itself released in a big bid for publicity that their star wars investment paid off this is a weird nitpick
You're right I am nitpicking. The 3x ROI figure is bullshit. I just think that some people are drawing the wrong conclusion from the article and thinking that this means disney made a loss.
the issue is we fundamentally do not know the true numbers so it's impossible to say either way without real honesty on the mouse's part
my personal opinion is they finally broke even recently but only just
>some people are drawing the wrong conclusion from the article and thinking that this means disney made a loss.
Did they not? Here's my understanding of events, let me know where I'm wrong:
>Buy franchise for $4b
>Spend millions making and marketing movies/shows
>Count selling the streaming rights to yourself as pure profit
>Only make $2b gross
>You lost over a billion dollars but conveniently "forget" to tell your shareholders or the IRS about that
Sounds like a loss to me
It doesn't count things outside of the five main films. Sure they lost money on the hotel and disneyland park, but they also make lots of money from merch, toys and licensing.
Okay, slick. Why don't you post some numbers on their toy sales? You keep posting itt that movies don't matter to the studio, it's all about the merch and parks. Show me the gangbuster sales figures for the toys that make up for the billions of dollars of loss. Do that or GTFO.
And no more israeliteery about "projected future figures that leading experts say" it's hard data or bust.
>doesn't factor in the TV shows
TV shows don't make shit
you mean the tv show that was cancelled and stripped off disney+ because it had such catastrophically low streaming numbers? Or do you mean the movie that was confirmed to be a 150 million dollar loss for disney? Good point anon, gotta factor those in too
If they did cover it, there would be no need for the bullshit. The bullshit is the proof Disney knows they fricked up.
>With several Star Wars movies in the pipeline, Disney still has a chance to get its money back through their box office profits. The films have rediscovered the magic formula to appeal to fans but aren't yet a force to be reckoned with for investors
Even this seems like copium. If the films rediscovered how to appeal to fans, why aren't they making them any more?
It seems more like they just got lucky with Mandalorian S1 and decided to make that their formula moving forward.
>The films have rediscovered the magic formula to appeal to fans
When did this happen? I must have missed it LMAO
>The films have rediscovered the magic formula to appeal to fans
It's like current year journalism is almost entirely about writing the palpably untrue. With a straight face.
>It's like current year journalism is almost entirely about writing the palpably untrue. With a straight face.
Journalism was always like that.
imagine being a didney shareholder
>However, as the series continued there was a disturbance in the force due an over-reliance on computer generated effects and a lack of the gritty quirky characters who made the original movies smash hits.
Journalists should be fricking executed on sight
>News just in: Water is wet
Water isn't wet
Do you have peer reviewed scientific source for that?
So’s ur mama
>GOTTEM
>Disney w-will fall! Just t-two more weeks!
Cope, incels.
>Sears could never fail, it's an American institution!
Call me when Disney's stock is single digit and sinking (like WBD's).
Then we can talk about how it's ogre.
Mouse shills in fricking SHAMBLES right now
DEBOONKED
Did they adjust for inflation?
see
The ROI methodology calculation was intentionally set up to make it way better than it was in reality
Holy shit they did everything possible to just pump out an inflatable number and it still failed.
>2.8 billy in the hole
JESUS FRICK AND KATHY IS SITLL IN FRICKING CHARGE! THEY WOULD HAVE MURDERED ANY REGULAR homosexual.
>KATHY IS SITLL IN FRICKING CHARGE! THEY WOULD HAVE MURDERED ANY REGULAR homosexual.
At this point, I think it's just Iger fricking things up. He keeps her because she takes the flak for him.
Wouldn't be the 1st time a israelite used a goy as a tool.
disney is notorious for never admitting failure
they're in the sunk cost fallacy stage at this point. they've invested far too much time trying to salvage their mess for their current leadership to admit the frickup because it would lead to a lot of questions
it's partly why the recent board fight felt so existential
Your whole premise hinges on the idea that they are done with Lucasfilm properties from here on out, will never make more Star Wars shit.
She knows where the bodies are buried. They cannot afford to send her up the river.
How the frick can't shareholders sue them for this
They was a case brought forward in late 2023 about hiding streaming losses. This Forbes article is less than 24 hours old, i would expect more cases soon given this info.
What about what they spent on all those flops including advertising?
Disney is dead! They've yet to make a penny above their investment!
Earnings isn't benefits
What’s funny even then it’s still less then Toy Story, Frozen and The Avengers, which all of have released less films.
Here's one you can read.
Man, Pixar used to just print money.
The movies were beloved and they moved merchandise, especially Cars for some reason, like crack-lacked hotcakes. It's a zombie studio now. They've now produced more bad or forgettable movies than good ones on total output.
Even taking this at face value, I'd be so fricking pissed if I was at that meeting
the 4 billion was before they even spent a dollar on galaxy's edge or any of the new movies or disney+ show. With inflation, just breaking even would be a comical failure for a company of this size.
>it's another "brownoids don't understand gross vs. profit" -episode
Getting real tired of these reruns, bros.
> it’s a thread where people think franchises make most of their money off the movies
Guys. Disney makes money of the merchandise. All the movies are made to push merchandise. The movies could make no money and the investment would still be fruitful as long as manchildren keep by Darth Vader funkos
If they're making any money off the merchandising on Star Wars, then it is from the OT stuff only. The ST stuff ain't selling at all.
It is likely that George Lucas retains a lot if not all of the merchandising rights to OT, which is why Disney was so desperate to pivot as quickly as they can to ST shit and even disrespect the OT in their movies so that people jump ship to the new stuff.
True. Who knows how much of the merchandizing right Lucas kept. Iirc he famously got most of the rights to the OT, which is where he made his money. But I doubt Disney would by Star Wars without a sizable cut of the earnings the merch brings in.
I think the NT pivot was Disney attempt to bring in the adolescent-teenage-millennial girl market they saw with the likes of Harry Potter, Twilight, and Hunger Games. Disney knew they had boys locked down with the OT and prequels.
>Piles of Finn, Rose, and Rey figures rotting in Walmart bargain bins that they cannot sell
I remember this one stupid light sabre that a Jedi negress had in one of the many dumb shows Disney made. It was really expensive and it didn't sell at all. In fact, I think they wanted to measure interest in it before they made too many and then scraped it when they saw absolutely nobody wanted the thing
They had some kind of GoFundMe. Reva's lightsaber was the only one that failed to reach its goal, as every other lightsaber GoFundMe did.
My mom bought a Reva lightsaber toy for her grandkids because she knows shit about Star Wars (the kids don't play with it and haven't even opened it), so Disney is moving merchandise slowly along.
Esl
Have you not seen all the Finn, Jyn Erso, and Rose Tico toys on discount on shelves?
anon no one buys star wars merch anymore
t. ebay merchant
>trusting some media company about financing and profit margins
The only "people" that have been disputing that are Disney shills and I'm sure even they are fully aware they're defending a lie.
This.
they didnt even include the cost of buying LucasFilm in their methodology lmao
Their calculations for the movies also includes estimated earnings from future film projects.
I thought lying to investors was illegal.
Don't forget that with inflation that $4 billion is $5.4 billion.
Also Disney spent $2 billion adding Star Wars shit to their theme parks and spent $400 million on their Galactic Starcruiser hotel which they were forced to close within 18 months.
"However, as the series continued there was a disturbance in the force due an over-reliance on computer generated effects and a lack of the gritty quirky characters who made the original movies smash hits."
what bullshit, it was because of TLJ, fricking coward journalist
The Star Wars franchise hasn't been about Box Office since the first film. Everything from Empire Strikes Back onward has been about licensing and merchandise. Go walk into a Walmart toy section and see.
I see a lot toys that aren't selling. Legos are probably the only reliable source of Star Wars related income at this point.
On cue, the copium.
>im homos the exual
kys. when life is over i will be waiting by the cosmic highway for all shills; wether you go up or downward, I will follow you for eternity and will hold you responsible for every lie, shill or embelishment youve set into existance with hate and a 20 cent a comment wage. jannies jeluous btw. so tread lightly homosexual
Basically you need a Stonethrow picture of Mickey saying "Movies?"
I guess Disneyhaeterbois can console themselves with unsold Finn figures and pretend they don't move shiploads of Star Wars gear.
Absolutely no kids are playing with modern Star Wars toys, or "classic" Star Wars either for that matter. I know Disney really wanted to make Rey into the "Disney Princess of Star Wars" but little girls didn't give a frick about that. They would unironically have had better luck with the cartoon Ahsoka more than a decade ago but I don't know if kids cared about her either.
The last time a Disney princess was successful and popular was Frozen, even black girls dressed up as her.
>mfw I'm 37
>mfw I actually have a white Monster next to me right now
For me it's Mango Loco Juice. It's no meme. It's a way of life. Cheers.
Just wait until you start getting high blood pressure and you're not allowed to drink caffeine anymore...
>high blood pressure
Hypertension in anyone under 65 is a fat, sedentary person issue.
>I actually have a white Monster next to me right now
My bad, didn't know you were still here. Let me put my pants back on
>They failed to sell Star Wars toys to little girls
Lol, children were never the target of Star Wars, from the very beginning. For the last few decades the target has been StarWars Sois with disposable income. Get real.
Also stop posting pictures of me.
Well, regardless the toys don't sell.
I call bullshit, if they didn't Walmart wouldn't have them on shelves. There's pretty fierce competition for shelf-space in Walmarts.
Is it the craze of the 80's? No.
I see a lot of anime shit sell way more than star wars shit.
If they haven't released any numbers it doesn't look good.
World class bullshitters has tracked down tens of thousands of Disney nu wars that's in thrift shops all across America! Literally pennies on the dollar.
Industry people estimate that Star Wars merch generates $2-3 billion a year for Disney, on the higher end of that figure when there's a movie (of any quality) in theaters. Every single year.
That's what they paid the 4 billion for.
What source? We can't even trust yidsney directly with their numbers.
shelf space is paid for. It can cripple a retailer if a company buys shelf space for shit that doens't sell
> If you want any of these products you must carry these as well
Business 101. They do the same thing with films, to get any big Disney films your theater MUST buy a "catalog" of other shit and must also devote a certain percentage of your screens/showtimes to them or they won't sell to you anymore.
I was born in the early 90's and me and my friends were absolutely nuts for prequels and clone wars toys
The target seemed to be families, but after ANH exploded, the kids were a huge market.
George got all the merchandise revenue, it was part of his deal. of course box office matters, the studio wanted big numbers for themselves, George wanted to sell toys
>George got all the merchandise revenue
This was true until he sold to Disney; now he gets a regular "salary" from Disney, who hold 100% of the merchandising rights.
Where do you even get these ideas??
>Go walk into a Walmart toy section and see.
The times I’ve been in the Walmart toysecripn to pick up gifts for my nieces and nephews the Star Wars toys are always full stock. Kids don't play with toys anymore, and there aren't enough collectors interested in Rose or whatever other shit character they shut out.
kids don't like star wars they like autistic shit like roblox
merchandising doesn't make as much gross profit as you think it does
Nuwars literally killed toys'r'us because nobody wants the merch.
they spent 100mil on the Willow tv show, what dumbfricks
You could say this about all Streaming projects though. It has been several years of throwing money down a hole for all the Streaming services.
and how long did it last until they pulled it entirely from D+ and memoryholed it?
We only managed to crowdsource 50k to put Warwick Davis in a greased up bathtub full of running belt sanders.
I think they could grab literally any fricking moron from this board and they'd be able to make something better.
That's a damn shame.
What are the victories Disney points to when displaying how well they've handled the franchise?
The earnings from the first mediocre movie in 2015 would definitely be one.
Is there are second? It just seems to be loss after loss after loss with everything else.
Baby Yoda and… that’s about it?
Disney killed Star Wars with no survivors!
I wonder if they'll still be able to call that one a victory if the Grogu movie (assuming it doesn't get cancelled like everything else they announce) flops or underperforms in 2026?
if they're smart they'll just make it a D+ movie cause nobody is going to pay to see that shit in the theatre
>What are the victories Disney points to when displaying how well they've handled the franchise?
The Mandalorian season 1?
Your image doesn't change the facts.
Disney's hustle is merchandise and then parks and then way down the list movies. If they make 1-2 merchandisable movies every 5 years they are golden.
This is how Disney was understood before the MCU dominated theaters for several years, then low IQ anons like yourself decided they were primarily a movie studio like Warners and got all excited about their box office.
>rewriting history to fit your demented alt history.
Sure thing anon, sure thing.
Just giving you the facts, dimwit.
Disney's ownership of Worldwide box office in 2019 was an aberration; it's not how the company is set up to make money. Long-term it just set them up with another pipeline of merch.
~~*((Facts*~~)) are not correlating to any viable chart anon.
I'm not responding to viable charts, just industry gossip and anonymous doomsaying (for the thousandth time).
So it was always schizo babble from the start? How do you morons operate from a day to day basis without accidentally killing yourselves?
Yes, this is your regular schizo-babble thread.
We'll be having this same conversation a year from now, 2 years from now, ect.
See you then homosexual I hope you have better made up stats than the ones you presented.
i will find you and you will be punished for your lies. you understand that right? none of us are putting up with your israeli lies. its over you overplayed your dumb israelite hand
>i will find you and you will be punished for your lies.
Calm down Mr. Baldwin.
Their merchandise and theme parks are fuelled by their films. It's a symbiotic relationship. If the brand and the content it produces becomes tainted then it runs down the line and will eventually impact those parks and merchandise, if it hasn't already.
Theme Parks have been the primary engine of the company since the 70s and most of their classic rides were the product of "The studio can't do a goddamn thing in this genre so we gotta make something compelling on our own with it instead". While things shifted under Eisner when they started making good movies again or making deals with other companies, there was still a balance between tie-in and original content. The "pre-established IPs only" mandate was something Iger created and the only way Imagineering can really make anything new now is to tie it into their SEA lore since "If you can make a decent adaptation of one of our rides, you can start another cinematic universe" is enough of a hook for the higher ups to let them develop the groundwork.
Disney is Dead!
This is a joke right? Is it just chud cope?
Lucas essentially gave SW to Disney for a fraction of what its worth because he was tired of handling it and his friendship with Kennedy. Disney likely made the money up in merchandising alone before releasing a single movie.
lying will send you to hell especially defending child traffic- the company. you understand consequences right?
Pauls right
Kathleen Kennedy: nobody cared who I was until I took over LucasFilm
Disney shareholders: well congratulations you got yourself a $6 Billion loss. Now what’s the next step of your master plan?
KK: crashing this franchise, with no survivors!
She's a big girl
For you
Ohnononono Disneyshillsissies........ What are we gonna do here!?
Consult: plan B which would be
Unironically.
What we always do, shout and scream that facts and the derivation of knowledge through observation is a product of white supremacy
That's why the Disney israelites will keep putting out a never-ending stream of goyslop like Mandalorian, Obi Wan, Ahsoka, Boba Fett, Andor, Solo, TFA, TLJ, and TRoS.
>a never-ending stream of goyslop
You will consoom the anti-white, anti-Christian, anti-male, uhm, I mean, diversity goyslop.
>Jack Black making soiface
It's hard to not see this as a parody.
He supposed to be portraying a veteran admiral of the Clone Wars...
ADMIRAL!?!? How old is the character supposed to be?? I thought Mando was like 40 years after the clone wars ended, and Jack Black is 54. Nobody in their 20s achieves the rank of admiral, let alone their fricking teens! It's bad enough Bo Karen only seems 40 but what's the damn timeline here? I know this is crap for kids, but couldn't they maintain ANY internal consistency? It's just one more facet of Disney's hubris, thinking people will gobble up whatever diarrhea they produce and not ask the most basic questions.
Utter fricking trash
>mfw consooming starslop
Disney's Star Wars output has been quite decent. There, I said it.
>disney nu wars has lost them billions
>disney made profit m kay
> Box office profits generated by Disney's Star Wars movies have fallen $2.8 billion short of covering the media giant's purchase of the sci-fi saga’s creator, Lucasfilm, according to analysis of recently-filed financial statements.
And Disney playing fast and loose with the numbers in their report. Not netting against production costs is -- creative:
https://www.forbes.com/sites/carolinereid/2024/04/14/disneys-star-wars-box-office-profits-fail-to-cover-cost-of-lucasfilm/
Disney fricking sucks at world building and merchandising for Star Wars. I could make their profits back with two products. A Rogue Squadron movie (Top Gun in space), and subsequent video game. It would sell out theaters, the game would break sales records.
>but Squadrons flopped
Because it had barely any story, wasn't attached to any other media, and the main game mode was some tiny 5v5 bullshit
>A Rogue Squadron movie (Top Gun in space),
Sir, you can't make a movie aimed at white men. That would be a movie of hate.
No shit. Movies rarely make billions of dollars. Merch sales are where the dimes get drawn, and the cultish consoooooomer mindset of both Disney and SW fangoys means that they've probably made back that 4 billy back multiple times over through toy sales alone.
What toys? They've released like 1 game every 5 years that does mediocre at best, nobody's buying figures. Legos are all overly expensive, so only collectors are buying those
I have not seen a single nu-star wars toy or any merch anywhere in any home I've been to in the last 10 years. The only merch I can possibly see anyone having is that baby yoda. But I actually haven't seen that anywhere.
Back in the day, old Star Wars merchandise. Everywhere.
I remember seeing the Special Editions at the cinema and the very first thing me and half the other kids who watched did was drag our parents straight to Toys'R'Us and try to badger them into getting us something(Luke figure for ANH, Snowspeeder for Empire, and got an A-Wing and B-Wing after Jedi - cost me weeks of pocket money). Same sort of shit with the Prequels. With Disneywars, they're lucky if any of the audience *are* children, and I think I noticed one that was actually hyped enough to not immediately sink back into the Phone Zone the moment they got out of their seats.
Even if they had made back the raw cash they invested in buying the franchise, which we now have proof they didn't, but even if they had Disneywars would still be a failure because the Sequels have failed to do what all previous cinematic eras of the franchise did: create a whole new generation of obsessive fans who'll still be buying your shit twenty or thirty years down the line.
>Buy media property for billions
>Assign women to oversee it
>Fail to recoup costs years later
The super anti producers strike again.
Banning females from work is a shit idea, bans of any kind simply don't work in a post-internet world. What WOULD work with women is social engineering, because they are easily influenced. We need to bring back shaming. Not even 50 years ago a girl would be scared shitless of being considered an old maid femcel, and would marry as soon as she left high school. My mom is 52 and she said that her school friends used to tell her that all childless women go insane when they get old. We need to bring back this sentiment.
KNEEL
What about video game, dvd, streaming, toys profits?
Iger got his way with the vote so now the skeletons can fall out of the closet. He already backtracked on the political messaging aspect too.
>Disney buys Star Wars for 4.5 billion
>The only movie people saw was Force Awakens and the only TV show people watched was Mandalorian
George laughing his ass off all the way to the bank. He outisraelited the israelites.
The ride never ends.
I know they're barely civilized, but sucker punching a woman.... I mean... c'mon man.
Disney said in their report to shareholders that they know they are doing things that fans don't want but "it's for the good of the world" (something like that).
I don't know why they aren't getting sued for not maximizing profits when they admit in their own report that they aren't doing their fiduciary duty.
GO WOKE
GO BROKE
>Invest BILLIONS of theme parks
>They all flop due to COVID
KEKAROO!
Let's do some math...
>Let's do some math...
Not looking good so far...
Done.
Going by the films alone, without any consideration of merch or post release DVD and home release data, ~~*Disney*~~ only managed to generate about $980 million, which isn't even 1/4 of the reported $4 billion they paid Lucas.
Now let's look at the D+ TV trash: source - screen rant
>The Mandalorian isn't the most expensive - costing $120 million for one season.
>The Obi-Wan Kenobi series had the lowest budget at $90 million for six episodes
>Andor, the prequel to Rogue One, is the most expensive Star Wars TV show yet, with a budget of around $250 million for 12 episodes.
>Ahsoka’s budget has yet to be revealed – but it’s expected to be more than $100 million.
> seems likely that the budget for Disney+'s The Book of Boba Fett will match that of The Mandalorian season 1: A whopping $100 million.
That's another $660 million invested, so if you subtract those costs from the profit they made from the films: $980 - $660 = $320 million in proft.
So they've made a whopping total of $320 million in profit from film and TV after paying Lucas $4 billion dollars. That means they have to make up those costs elsewhere, and NOBODY is buying Nu-Wars merch, or the shit they're pushing on the TV.
So no, they've haven't made their money back from the films and TV shows. Not when you consider costs.
Didn't they also spend 2 billion dollars for their LARP hotel that closed within a year?
The closest we got to Disney admitting anything is that they made 12 billion dollars on Star Wars. Who knows if that's revenue or profit, but people are running with it and claiming a 3x ROI.
According to Forbes, it cost an estimated $400 million to build. Who knows, though...
I forgot to add a couple. Here's the Willow tv series....
>According to Forbes: Disney has revealed that it spent $105.9 million (£83.1 million) on making Willow, a sword and sorcery series which was dropped from its streaming platform after just six months.
So total TV costs are estimated at about $760 mil.
Now for the Indiana Jones flop:
>Dial of destiny total budget / marketing costs: $450 mil
>Net box office earnings: $190 mil
>Total net LOSS of: $260 mil
So if we take away another $260 mil from the Lucasfilm box office profit totals we get: $980 mil profit - $260 mil losses = $720 mil profit.
So they managed to earn $720 mil in profit from the Lucasfilm movies, but sank at LEAST $760 mil into their ~~*Disney +*~~ trash that nobody watches, and that's without consideration for any TV marketing costs. They may have spent $4 BILLION dollars only to end up with a net LOSS of $40 million dollars as a result of woke agenda crap, and terrible decision making.
Well done, ~~*Disney*~~. Well done indeed.
to Forbes: Disney has revealed that it spent $105.9 million (£83.1 million) on making Willow, a sword and sorcery series which was dropped from its streaming platform after just six months.
Jesus fricking christ. This alone would be enough to result in heavy firing squads only ten years ago. REMINDER Disney fired Whedon after AoU performed slightly worse than expectations
heres the thing though... they paid half cash and half in stock. lucas owns 37.1 million shares of disney and its worth over 4 billion at the close today.
they also acquired the rights to all the original films and prequels when they bought out 20th century fox. the also got ILM, skywalker sound
keep mathing cause you are missing the entire picture
>keep mathing cause you are missing the entire picture
Not at all. My focus is solely on the products they've released, and they have failed miserably. So while they may have gotten their cash back through other means, it's certainly not because of the success of any of their films or TV shows.
the entire premise of the OP headline is absurd to begin with. they are counting star wars franchise box office numbers only. of course it wont cover it. its clickbait
>arbitrary time frame
>ignores other revenue streams
>doesn't consider current potential resale value of the asset
>no indication as to whether it was expected to do so
>moronic teenagers still swallow bait whole
that's perfect for this board now
>
lmao lucas shat out a greasy wet log that is starwars and disney is eating it. A shitty ip for a shitty company, love it.
Just box office earnings without all the merchandise, tv, etc.
>intentionally and spitefully piss off and alienate fans as much as possible
>wonder why you're failing and people are mad at you
Disney is run by morons
THE MESSAGE™ doesn't matter when nobody is watching...
Honestly at this point, I think the purpose is to destroy culture to further erase wypipo.
That's why they are destroying every IP and not just sticking with one and making it their soapboax. Every western IP has gone to shit.
>Every western IP has gone to shit.
Everything sucks now to the point where I can't get excited about anything anymore. Even stuff made outside of the west, like in Japan, I have doubts over because israeli claws reach all the way over there now as well
>Western adaptions of Japanese media like Netflix = shit
>Western localization done by big companies and not independent weebs = shit
>Japanese media with western oversight committees and shareholders altering them while they're made = shit
>Japanese companies like Capcom that are hooked into Larry Fink and start ruining their own IPs themselves = shit
>destroy culture rather than erase whites
Those are the same thing
>"Apology accepted, CEO Iger."
remember when this place use to cry "hollywood accounting" whenever their favorite movie didnt make a profit? of course you dont
now you all cry its because muh woke culture war
guess what its not?
Hollywood accounting is to hide profits so they don't have to pay residuals. When you say this 35 million dollar movie that made 680 million dollars at the box office was unprofitable, then that's Hollywood accounting.
It looks like no amount of Hollywood accounting can try to make these Star Wars movies look like they're profitable.
so they are hiding profits
ok nothing to see here
You lost.
whenever a movie gets bad reviews its the lead females fault. not the male writers, directors or producers
They all get shit on, not just the Mary-Sue stronk womyn.
You're acting like Rian Johnson isn't what most people think of when they think of Star Wars assassination.
I feel like they'd get more from selling merchandise. Or does George still own that part as well?
I'm sure they've made a lot off the merchandising though.
Merch isn't the same as it was 30 years Ago. Kids don't play with nearly as many toys as they use to in the 80s and 90s. Everything is digital now. Even as a kid in the 90s I would want a super Nintendo game over a toy any day of the week.
Okay, so that means Disney would have known that going in and would have to rely on the movies more to get a return on investment on their purchase. And they fricked that up.
>Hmm toys are out videogames are in. What should we do?
>We'll give EA a 10 year exclusive deal to make Star Wars games!
>EA makes two Star Wars games
Wtf was that.
Disney taking Ls = rock hard wiener every time
Shills can die
Idk why people keep talking about toys. Kids don't like toys anymore nor do they like Star Wars. Hasbro produces a fraction of the Star Wars merch they used to before 2012 and it's only adults buying them now
I always see people saying some new character or ship design was made specifically to sell toys but nah no one's making merch for that shit that era is gone
Lucasfilm isn't just Starwars. They have disasters like Willow and Dial of Destiny to lose money on as well
>ohnonono
lmao funny meme of my God hahahaa so original
ILM basically changed how movies were made. It was the home of animatronics and the spearhead of the digital revolution as the birthplace of non linear editing, photoshop and so many other technologies. It was absolutely much more than just SW and Disney mistreated it to say the least.
Not only the quality of it´s productions has decreased but they are burnt out. Completely and utterly creatively bankrupt. It´s like watching a terminal patient keep striving and suffering just to stay alive... a fricking disgrace for it to die like that.
B- BUT I THOUGHT THEY WERE MAKING LE BILLIONS!!! HOW COULD THIS HAPPEN???
Don't forget the opportunity costs of not having $4 billion invested. At a moderate interest rate since 2012, that would be over $8 billion now.
Dunking on nerds and ruining things they enjoy transcends any monetary value. You know those bullies in high school that would smash your lego models? They've upgraded to smashing your entire favorite franchises.
lucasarts used to propel interest in star wars back in the 90s and 2000s why have they released 0 games in over a decade?
>All upcoming games got cancelled in the acquisition. Battlefront 2 was such a blight on the gaming industry thanks to Disney's greed and meddling that it literally rewrote U.S. law and is now a poisoned brand, even more so with the failed reboot.
The lootbox shit was hilarious. Watching morons streaming that pile of shit and get wound up over a cooldown timer on XP for single player progression was pure kino.
AI has rendered all Star Wars movies obsolete.
We begin anew. First item to be addressed: MEGA TIDDIES.
Good.
good. frick disney
Except for Solo (and non-Star Wars Indy 5) they all grossed $1 billion, one almost made $1 billion just in North America. That means audiences watched the movies. It's Disney's fault that they couldn't profit from $5 billion in theater attendance of 5 movies
>gross
Doesn't matter. Net profits are what counts, and they made about $980 mil from all their new star wars stuff, and lost another $260 mil from their Indiana Jones bomb. A $720 mil net from Lucasfilm franchise films is absolutely abysmal, and frankly, negligent on their part for the stock holders. Especially when it cost them $4 billion to get the rights for that shit.