These movies were made by and for white men. Their popularity with women and non-whites was inadvertent. There'll never be another phase like that ever again in our lifetimes.
I think Ford only got $10-12 million for Dial. He got $65 million for Crystal Skull. The budget is all due to reshoots and cgi.
Hollywood needs to stop deaging actors and make more cheap movies with decent plots and new faces.
It's not overpaid actors, it's the colossal amounts of CG and reshoots that these giant budget movies go through. The amount of resources they dumped into this single Indiana Jones movie could have financed 3 other blockbusters if they weren't being reshot and re-written to death during production. The VFX artists can't handle the workload either and honest, I am rooting for them to unionize because they get screwed over more than anyone else in the industry, and it will force the studios to stop scrapbooking.
The corporations who took over Hollywood are run by morons who inherited monopolies created by smarter people who built these companies decades ago and the CEOs in charge today are rich kids who never had to actually be smart or talented to make it in their industries they just walked in thanks to daddy's money and they have no idea how filmmaking works and they are still convinced A Listers = instant movie success even though that hasn't been true since the 1990s at the latest and there are no A Listers under 60 anymore. They're too risk averse to gamble on fresh young and cheap talent even though statistically speaking they're far more likely to create a hit with relative unknowns or at the very least not have to add tens of millions to a flop because of actor budgets. Just look at Bezos's idea of how to make hit TV: it's the most basic b***h list full of extremely common sense ideas mixed in with provably false nonsense, and these are the dumb fricks in charge of our media now. In fact I can guarantee you Bezos ghost wrote much of Rings of Power, or at the least he was the idea man.
There's no saving the filmmaking/television industry. The rot is top down, the entire industry is in the hands of egotistical morons. There is nothing studios can do to salvage the situation short of either breaking away from corporations or coprorations themselves firing the entire executive branch and installing new, smart, and much younger talent to helm their industry.
a lot of reasons have been touched on already, but one that's missing is that the number of middle managers, assistants, HR reps, and consultants has ballooned over the years, and all their salaries and fees are tacked on to the production budget
an army of useless people all being paid too much for doing almost nothing
A large factor that is not often talked about because there's no solution besides stop filming in America/working with American unions is the legalistic landscape for shooting on location or even using 90% of practical fx techniques are not allowed anymore by insurance industry fiat. Fricking sugar and flour using used as airborne debris as a practical effect isn't allowed anymore because their insurance considers that potentially dangerous. So they CGI it. And it looks like shit.
Get producers who actually want good movies.
Hire directors with actual vision and drive, prioritize this even more than talent, and far more than credentials. That way even if it's shit at least it'll be interesting shit.
No one cares about Indy now. Crystal Skull was supposed to be the nostalgia bait tribute movie but everyone hated it. The draw for him as passed and ford is too old
.All these happy people, just living in the moment while i'm sitting in these degenerate times and will never get an opportunity to experience such happiness or look forward to anything
All these happy people, just living in the moment while i'm sitting in these degenerate times and will never get an opportunity to experience such happiness or look forward to anything
Why are blockbusters so expensive? Do they really need nigh-on $300 million to make an action-adventure that's mostly CGI and green screen? How much of this is money laundering or a tax write-off?
They do the "creative work" to get a huge paycheck then outsource the other 90% of CGI work to Pajeets. Do you really think there's a single California college grad willing to do meticulous sweatshop tier labor?
The production credits have hundreds of fricking SEAmonkeys that are doing 99% of the grunt work, what the frick are you smoking. Lucasfilm and co are glorified middle men at this point
>raiders budget was 20 million >adjust for inflation 66 million >marketing costs are typically half that >raiders budget is still under 100 million
Fricking what is this money going to and why does it need such a bloated budget?
Fraud is there as well. CGI was their downfall, you hire one of the two companies that does it, pay them 200m and hope for the best. Those 100m of those 200m goes into the pockets of executives of said company, 50m goes into the pockets of everyone else, and 10m goes to the pajeets doing CGI on undisclosed location. And when the studio eventually figures that they fricked it up, they can ask for more money to share between everyone, except pajeets, they do it for free this time, because they were no good before.
james cameron is unironically the reason, his movies get super expensive cause groundbreaking vfx but end up making money and so studios try to copy that formula even tho spielberg and lucas did blockbusters much more economically
>Why are blockbusters so expensive?
It can't be the CGI unless it really cost that much to de-age Ford because the rest of it looks terrible. I watched about 15 minutes last night from some cam rip and there is a scene where Jones climbs up on a train and runs along it. A shot from a long distance shows most of the train with him running along and jumping from car to car and it looks so bad.
I guess part of these huge costs has to be the creation of these movies by committee. Executives calling the shots on direction, shooting and reshooting entire sections of movies.
>it really cost that much to de-age Ford
A single autist with a 4090 can do that. These shitters are horribly inefficient and there's 10 grifters for every 1 pajeet tech doing the end work.
I have a friend doing CGI work.
They are all legit underpaid and overworked. This isn't some inefficiency BS or pajeet scam. They have like 10 movies they are working on all at the same time because every blockbuster needs CGI nowadays and because there is no union, it is a race to the bottom. Either Hollywood needs to outsource this overseas (they already do for some portions) or they need to give them more time to cook.
Cgi is more expensive than practical effects.
Running cgi heavy is basically paying for a second movie production that runs along the regular production, and then paying again for someone to combine and overlay the two.
The Death Star run was done with some models and firecrackers, shot from a pickup,
It’s not exactly cheap, and you need real artists to do the matte work, but it’s still just a days labor.
Cgi really is like a second production, with a second tier of hr people, and payroll people, benefit contracts, and office space and everything else that goes along with running a staff.
Box office means nothing if you actually enjoy films, but part of why this might "under perform" is because kids right now don't know who Indiana Jones is most likely, where as even in 2008 they did. It's not a big deal.
Everybody knows Indiana Jones or is atleast familiar with him, but nobody wants to see Harrison Ford. Even back then he wasn't even a draw, this film would probably be a huge success if it was Chris Pratt as Indy.
Isn't the last shot Indy's hand grabbing his hat? How much did they have to pay Harrison to film that after the test screeners were mad the girl's hand took the hat?
>raiders budget was 20 million >adjust for inflation 66 million >marketing costs are typically half that >raiders budget is still under 100 million
Fricking what is this money going to and why does it need such a bloated budget?
I’ve been saying for years it’s a bloated mess, movies are suffering so fricking much from PS2 cgi frick fests, I’m just hoping this era of movies is coming to an end and return to soul.
It does require a lot of time and effort to make it passable for a 4K release of a film. If you've ever messed around with deepfakes yourself, you know it's hard as frick to make anything actually convincing, especially if the person is moving their head at all.
Does that even need much effort anymore? There are websites/apps that can do very basic versions of it for free.
Black person, according to israelite Harrison Ford that wasn't CGI. His "de-aging" was the result of "digital composites" or compiling old photos - so he claimed on capital FM breakfast show, Thursday 29th June 2023
>Fricking what is this money going to
it's quite simple. israelites convert much of the money designated for a movie's budget into gold and store it in their homes for later use. 1 ton of gold is worth about $60m, which gets distributed amongst various members of the chosen people according to their pecking order in the production studio. many of them who have been in the industry for a long time flex on other hebrews by using their gold bars as doorstops or leave them carelessly scattered around the house. pic related is a mockup of one of the truckloads that made the rounds for the latest indiana jones film, as well as an approximation of how much money it costs to fuel such a truck in southern california
I used to work at an animation studio, we did movies/games/advertisement you name it.
It's bloat, you have no idea how insane bloat gets.
In our company, you had 15 guys who actually worked. Then you had 4 managers for those guys, who basically just sit with their thumb up their ass and "organize" a meeting once a week were you basically waste 2 or 3 hours of work so that they can make comments about things they know nothing about. That's the "floor", the people who make the product.
Then you have the 5 HR ladies, 3 secretaries who answer 5 or 6 phone calls each, 8 pencil pusher who pretend that they're needed for shit like 2 facebook post a day, the 10 people who kinda wonder around the office with fake jobs because they're someones kid or eyecandy, and finally the 2 accountants, and 6 guys who sit around a table with the two CEOs to talk about golf because they collectively own 60% of shares.
You could fire almost everyone and get our yearly expenses cut by 90% and output would not change.
Ease of production. CGI you can just film wherever and whenever, and edit afterwards instead of having to reshoot all over again. Makes it easier to crank shit after shit.
It's too bad because the movie was legitmitely good, a hell of a lot better then Crystal Skulls. Honestly would put it above temple and below crusade. It's also funny that people kept saying that >Indy would die >fleabag was going to be a Mary Sue character >she would somehow time travel and be involved in Indy's past adventures somehow >it's a feminist flick >it's an anti-white flick
Literally ZERO of that shit was true. Frick, you could have replaced fleabag with Marrion and it would have felt like it fit into the original 3 movies just fine.
the following things are still in the movie
was going to be a Mary Sue character >>it's a feminist flick >>it's an anti-white flick
3 out 5 is pretty good call
>Mary Sue >A gold digging, egotistical b***h that can't fricking relate to anyone cause his daddy went crazy >A fricking traitor that would send almost anyone or anything for money >Learns a lesson at the end and does the right thing by saving his godfather, who is in pain for the loss of his son and his wife
I don't know it they changed her in the reshoots, but definetely she wasn't a Mary Sue
I know you're fresh off the boat from /misc/ or reddit, but please put a little more thought into your replies other then regurgitating some moronic response full of buzzwords that you saw other people spamming too.
>Honestly would put it above temple and below crusade
That's exactly what I thought as I left the theater, but then again, I'd take Temple over Dial if I had to rewatch either of them.
All the indie movies are trash, every Star Wars movie is trash too, just came to this thread to laugh at woke Hollywood homosexuals losing hundreds of millions of dollars, LMAO.
No screw Atlantis, people need to stop bringing it up as what they should base a movie off of. They should be using the Bantaam books for future movies instead. The books were far more interesting then any of the video games and there's plenty of material to work with, so would be easier to adapt then a 30 year old video game.
>yfw you realize that George did not just create two of the best action/fantasy/sci fi series of all time, but if he pulls this off, he will do what has never been done. Fleece the fricking Mouse.
>the Dial of Destiny
the title ruins it. honestly worst title Ive heard for a film in a long time.
who approved the story? Archimedes artefact that uses time travel?? fricking hell. you may say "well the holy grail is in another film so why not this" and Im not even responding.
To most Americans, Dial is a soap brand. Also, 80 year old geriatric who hasn't had any pulling power for more than a decade and an ugly 40 year old with the charisma of your average angry twitter woke feminist. It's a complete mess. Who exactly did they think wanted to watch this?
I don't care if hollywood execs make slightly more or slightly less profits than expected. And I certainly don't expect the global soft power institution to die because of it. Hell if Hollywood was in actual danger of dying they could easily pull back on the woke bullshit temporarily and regain their position.
>MCU losing audience/critical praise and shitty Phase 4 movies/shows dulled the hype for Phase 5+ >Star Wars already further gone than that, even Mandalorian S3 had diminished buzz >Pixar's days of being a consistent moneymaker are long gone >Indy revival DOA
What else does Disney have? I guess the next Avatar will make bank but Cameron's likely to take his time getting it right.
>I guess the next Avatar will make bank
They don't make that much from Avatar since most of the profit goes to Cameron's studio anyway. Regardless, it still wouldn't be enough to save them. They're over $124B in debt + they lost an accumulated total of $890M+ from their recent flops (Indy 5 may take it to over $1B) + Disney Plus has lost more than $4.5B in the past year - today.
They're fricking dying, and not even ESG will be enough to cover them. They'll eventually suffer the same fate as WBD which is why Iger's trying to convince Apple to buy them when that day comes.
Credit was dirt cheap before covid (0% interest rate). Companies were taking on debt like its going out of fashion because they thought the good time will last.
Also Disney needs to pay for a 3rd of Hulu by 2024, currently valued at 70B.
>calling this a revival >when the lead is 80 years old
This is such a bizarre movie, the thought process behind this shit
Who the frick thought this would “revive” Indy? Ford is 80 years old.
Spin off for who? The girl? Who the frick would want to see that? How many times have they tried that? There’s only one Indy character anyone cares about and that’s Indy. It’s not even really a cast, it’s just Indy and then some other people, no one gives a shit.
reshoots yes, marketing no. >290 million production / probabaly like 150 million marketing >440 million total expense >need about 880million worldwide gross to fully break even and start making a profit.
>>290 million production / probabaly like 150 million marketing >>440 million total expense >>need about 880million worldwide gross to fully break even and start making a profit.
lol
They fricked up a real opportunity to make a great end/torch passing movie and maybe turn Mutt into a character you tried for and liked in favor of some chick you never heard of before constantly upstaging and belittling the main character. But I don't blame the producers or filmmakers, it's just in their nature to be subversive pieces of shit. I blame Ford and his weird obsession with destroying his own characters, he could have said NO at any point, but he didn't. Frick everyone involved in this.
Who the fricks wants to see Shia La Beuf taking the role of Indiana Jones? There is just no one like Harrison Ford nowdays, i believe the only one is Josh Brolin, and he's too old and too "serious" to be in something this lighthearted. Perhaps Pedro Pascal, but he's not an action star and not that people dig him.
There didn't need to be anymore movies after, just a good sendoff ending with Indiana passing the legacy along to his son instead of >muh died in Vietnam
That was so fricking petty of them.
Crispy Rat was the no-brainer choice. He already works with Disney, can do action movies, and is a huge box office draw. I bet they didn’t even ask but he probably would have said no anyways after seeing the script
Or just give Shia a respectable end of story instead of him being an unfortunate son offscreen. Either one, really
Shia unfortunately did himself no favors talking bad about Spielberg, Spielberg was ready to drop Indiana Jones on his lap and he wasn't the least bit grateful.
Shia isn't in movies anymore because people think he's a violent rapist because of FKA Twigs, he was still getting movies at the peak of his HWNDU insanity and very mild Spielberg riffing. Only after it was alleged that he laid a hand on a BLACK KWEEN in 2020 was he canceled, the most thought Spielberg probably dedicated to him prior was >Oh frick why do I have to be grouped with this sperg
Crispy Rat was the no-brainer choice. He already works with Disney, can do action movies, and is a huge box office draw. I bet they didn’t even ask but he probably would have said no anyways after seeing the script
Or just give Shia a respectable end of story instead of him being an unfortunate son offscreen. Either one, really
Pratt is equally poison in something like Indiana Jones to these people, the series is loudly propped-up by people going >DOOD PUNCH NAZIS!!!!!
currently, and that alone would probably be the mask-off moment for people to start screaming about how he's a fascist cat-killing homophobe Nazi, and thus has no business being Indy
Who the fricks wants to see Shia La Beuf taking the role of Indiana Jones? There is just no one like Harrison Ford nowdays, i believe the only one is Josh Brolin, and he's too old and too "serious" to be in something this lighthearted. Perhaps Pedro Pascal, but he's not an action star and not that people dig him.
I would like to see Shia as the next Indy. Okay not really. I don’t care about that. What I care about is that the legacy of Indians Jones should be the most important aspect and not which actor is playing them. I don’t mean Ford should be replaced. I mean they shouldn’t have made the story suffer (Indy losing his son) because they had an actor issue. Recast. Or make amends. Didn’t have to pass the torch. Really disheartening to have the story end like it did.
When it was 2008, and even now I would be totally fine with Shia becoming the "next Indy" but I just would have wanted it to be called the Adventures of Mutt Williams or what have you. The reason why this won't happen at all though is because he pissed off Spielberg way too much during Crystal Skull.
>hollywood will heckin die bro!
Hollywood is one of the most important institutions to the American Empire. It's probably the 3rd most important behind the military and wall street. If the people in charge feel it's actually under threat and China actually gets it shit together on the entertainemnt front, Hollywood will experience a massive resurgence in money.
Frick me what a pointless character. She gets killed not even halfway in and doesn't effect the plot in the slightest. She really could be cut and nothing would change
I think she existed solely to call that one guy a cracker and get away with it. I'm surprised they killed her. She looks like some stereotypical negress from a shit video game
All black women in video games look the same because they use the same actress. Debra Wilson licensed out her mocap scans to video game studios. So instead of investing in young talent, they all bought Debra Wilson's face. The industry is basically saying "We're going to clone one actress 100 times, and you won't notice since all black women look the same."
I think the idea was that it was a callback to blackspoitation flicks of the 70's, the same way Indiana Jones is supposed to be a callback to the adventure serials of the 40's.
>de-aging a 90 year old man for a fricking action movie
Can we finally be done with this shit forever now please? You had your time grandpa, men over 55 need to stop trying to mainline action flicks. It’s so fricking embarrassing.
Then show me a guy who's under 50, 40 at absolute best probably more like 45, who isn't a fricking total homosexual nowadays. Anyway, what you said isn't going to happen. I'm 33.
The problem is hollywood squeezed all those actors out because they keep casting the same old guys who have been around since the 80s. This is all leading to ai actor shit anyway so it doesn’t even matter now
Im more of a Cinemaphile guy but doesnt Pratt enter this list? I think hes the only "young" actor comparable to the old fricks that keep getting hired since the 89s
Pratt is one of the people that should've been a shoe in, but he's poison on social media since he's a straight white Christian male. Yet he still delivers and I think most if not all of his recent films make bank. It is what it is though. These corps don't want anything to do with anyone that have the "wrong" politics.
>You had your time grandpa, men over 55 need to stop trying to mainline action flicks. It’s so fricking embarrassing.
Tom is dabbing on every young actor and he's 60.
They should have just made a parallel adventure story with old Indy and new actor cast as young Indy in the past. Do clever editing with action scenes across time and ease audiences into having a new actor. They even could have done something interesting with a relationship from the past affecting current Indy
>actually promotes the movie by having the lead shill for leftist terrorism and "punching nazis," which, in the current year, just refers to whites who don't hate themselves or borders
What happened to western culture?
Its amazing that multi-million dollar franchise made by the biggest companies in entertainment will have had at least two movies that were actively worse than a 30 year old point and click adventure title.
To be outclassed by better movies is unfortunate; to be outdone by a MS-DOS game is a fricking embarrassment.
It is amazing in general how all these corporations are just running these former million-dollar franchises into the ground. Like, what will be left to even ruin?
Raiders of the Lost Arc looked better 42 years ago.
Batman 1989 looked better than The Flash 34 years ago.
Both cost a tiny fraction of what their modern day equivalents did.
Retvrn to practical effects.
Kids don't even know what the real world looks like because of all the garbage they watch. They're the same morons you see reacting to some basic pic, asking if it's AI.
Just finished watching it.
It's not as offensively hollywood as I expected (only really noticed one or two suspiciously "online-sounding" bad oneliners in the very opening part and Voller's henchman having a deep southern drawl) and they don't give Indiana the total Luke treatment like some claimed, it's only a few jabs at his age, a case of foreshadowing for the ending and the insulter being a c**t in character. (if there was any kind of degrade and replace thing going on it was obviously lost in the reshooting)
That said it's a fairly mediocre greenscreen vehicle with little to no location shooting chockfull of CG (seriously why the frick can't a 300 mil movie shoot on location with actual lighting and scenery it'd look so much better it's not even funny), non-charismatic co-stars (Wombat but even worse her sidekick), all the actual enjoyable acting time in the movie are done by Ford and Mikkelsen with a few shining moments for the villain sidekicks. One (admittedly very cool) climax scene of Nazis vs Romans doesn't really make up for the rest of it.
Unlike most of modern Disney I wasn't actively offended by this movie, it didn't feel like it was trying to piss me off like modern Star Wars does in every single way, but it's mediocre enough that I also wouldn't spend time watching it a second time.
>(seriously why the frick can't a 300 mil movie shoot on location with actual lighting and scenery
I think that they're foreseeing re-shoots at this point. Besides, location shooting is expensive, unless it's Prague. They'd rather save that cash for cgi used in reshoots.
thnx for review, seams grounded
How is it supposed to make its money back if its opening at 60mill. I'd imagine most people go to see it opening weekend.
Can some smart anons help me understand?
Suzume budget: $20-25 million
Box office: $175 million
Everybody memes on Disney leaning too much on generational trauma and the immigrant child experience, but Makoto Shinkai made Your Name three times to huge success. Make movies with pleasing art and good writing, and people will show up.
Thats even better than I thought, Story was just good not great imo but everything else about it was amazing. Seems like a general hollywood problem for these big franchises.
Like that Doctor strange two writer filming scenes before he wrote the script again (for the second time in a two week period that he had left.)
My cam copy missed a few minutes so I'm not 100% sure, but - does this movie really not have a "line moving across the map as Indy travels the world" scene???
It’s literally the same movie again
Indy has younger intended replacement sidekick
Indy is old
Marion is his lover
They make up
Old ass Ford hobbles around on stage, doesn’t give a shit
Bullshit Indy is looking for is absurdly spectacular and powerful
Villain is self defeating
It’s the same fricking movie 15 years later, just a terrible idea all around
>Bullshit Indy is looking for is absurdly spectacular and powerful
...that's literally every artifact from the movies. >Villain is self defeating
...and this too.
>Bullshit Indy is looking for is absurdly spectacular and powerful
Nah you're wrong there. The dial is the weakest object Indy has ever gone after. It's just used to find time rifts
To be fair, finding time rifts would be far more powerful/dangerous than the other movie artifacts; the problem is that it's used to just find time rifts leading to one particular point/place in time, and it doesn't really matter that much because time travel works like Bill and Ted, so you already know the end result of any time frickery.
>time rifts being more powerful then angels of death and a direct line to god, a chalice that makes you immortal, and stones that give you magic voodoo powers
Yes, being able to time travel to the future for super advanced weaponry and medicine or to the past to alter events and do shit like prevent your enemy from existing is far more powerful than a big heavy box you can't reasonably use other than killing people in the general area, a chalice that heals but can't be taken beyond a certain point, and stones that vaguely give life or bring fire down on those who betray Shiva the voodoo magic was separate from the stones, btw. Time travel where you can properly alter history will always be ridiculously over powered. Not that this matters anyways since again, the time travel in the final movie is pre-determined and only to one point.
11 months ago
Anonymous
Pretty sure the movie establishes you can't actually change the past. There's a self-fulfilling paradox involving archimedes and his dial, and Archimedes himself sees they were always supposed to meet him. Plus it was built to go to exactly ONE time period and place, that was Archimede's home and time. You can only use the device to go from your time and to his and back again.
So considering all that it's not exactly a powerful artifact.
11 months ago
Anonymous
>build a time machine that can only return to the time it was created
That's stupid.
11 months ago
Anonymous
>build a fricking Time Machine >hmm should I go into the future >nah I’ll sit here at my house and some weirdos will occasionally come see me
Archimedes is a moron lmao
11 months ago
Anonymous
Anon, the original post I was replying to implied finding time rifts (in general) was useless. I illustrated why it could be powerful if the movie went with a different route, but highlighted twice how the way it is in the final film time travel changes were already in effect and you can't properly change anything (as it functions like Bill and Ted).
At least de-aging technology is actually good now.
It was worse than how they did Young Luke in Mando/Boba Fett. They didn't use a stand-in to mimic Ford, so his shrunken body and wrinkly hands are going around with his young head, and then they didn't use AI to give him his less gruff voice.
That’s not really a lot of money.
A single person’s salary is $75,000 to be a living wage in Los Angeles (per the state) , which means it costs a company after benefits and payroll taxes about $150,000 to get a years worth of work for a middle class basic job.
Have you seen film credits? 500 people get listed, and another 1,500 don’t. Even taking a low ball a year that is still 150,000,000 just in wages, and that’s before, insurance, $10,000 movie cameras, set material, lights, etc etc.
I didn't even know there was an Indiana Jones movie in theaters until the moron atwork said "hey anon g-g-guess what imma see on Sunday! Indiana Jones" and he walked away before I could say "that's cool buddy". Even the morons it appeals to don't have the fortitude to sit down and watch any movie
this movie is good, literally nothing wrong with it or "feminist" about it. indiana is much more the hero, the girl is in it but not the center and indy is more competent, fricking insane how moronic the anti woke has gotten to where it's the same. just seeing things related to what they don't want, uhh women in movie = woke man hating movie. anyone who says this movie is woke is moronic
Even if it isn't, they're right in assuming she's an annoying b***h, and they know she's kind of ugly, and they currently surmise that Kathleen wants her to spin off as a protagonist of her own bullshit which literally no one wants
Quick question. Just saw the movie (didn't pay, frick KK). Indy gets framed for murder midway through the movie, but at the end he goes back to New York like everything is fine and nothing happened. Can someone explain to me what happened here???
Yes it got shitcanned for reshoots several months ago. It’s been a disaster since day 1. Not surprising that it underperformed BO wise considering when these things happen it almost never ends well
They probably shouldn’t have reshot it at all, it never seems to translate to any better possibility for success and definitely spells stinker for those following the project
Essentially deflates all optimism for it before it’s even out
This bullshit is almost 3 hours long? Good god why is every movie 3 hours long now. Action adventure movies should be around 100-110 minutes at the absolute most.
Watching the Hollywood press try and pretend like a 65 million dollar opening is impressive for the most expensive movie ever made is pretty hilarious. israelite rodents are so transparent and they’re supposed to be so smart lmao.
With Hollywood shitting the bed I feel like there should be a wide window for smaller younger rogue filmmakers to swoop in and put out some serious kino for a fraction of the cost.
It is amazing in general how all these corporations are just running these former million-dollar franchises into the ground. Like, what will be left to even ruin?
> ke, what will be left to even ruin?
Back to the future but the guys refuse to sell the rights so Hollywood is waiting till they die. The flash and dial of destiny is just want to be back-to-zither future movies
>The rights to the film and its sequels are owned by Robert Zemeckis and Bob Gale. >In a 2015 interview, Zemeckis maintained that no reboot or remake of the film would be authorized during his or Gale's lifetime. >bob gale is 72 >zem is 71
Tick tock
>bro just use cgi, wtf.
Meanwhile hobbiests could do something as good as this for 10,000 over a few long weekends, and would look just as good if you rented the. Film quality camers
>bro a guy in a gold robot and a guy in a Wookiee suit?
Bro just hire an actor stand in with computer tracing dots suit, then invent a 3D tracking camera system so you know where the actor is, then hire cgi staff to make a gold robot and a Wookiee and then place those over the actor with the tracking dots, bro it is so much cooler.
I think Hollywood is gonna have to negotiate lower salaries to their actors eventually
no they need to start making kinos again
More erotic than 100 hours of SFM futa compilations
He's such a chad in that movie.
This film was such a huge risk financially I’m glad selznik did it or however you spell it
The perfect nose
Leigh was probably happy about this since Gable apparently had really bad breath. Or so she said.
These movies were made by and for white men. Their popularity with women and non-whites was inadvertent. There'll never be another phase like that ever again in our lifetimes.
Damn what a beauty
But not lower salaries for noseberg obviously
Harrison Ford is half israelite, for however long they keep that geriatric alive for he will keep getting high pay - his medical bills must be absurd.
If they made a quality product that wasn’t trying to tick boxes I would be interested
they're going to cut back on the cgi
AI is eventually going to make it so that you'll see even more CGI than ever before.
Just scale back to smaller production and go pratical again. It looks batter anyway
They can't do that anymore. It all needs to be big budget, huge action scenes, green screen, cgi, hypnotic purple swerves around the screen!
I think Ford only got $10-12 million for Dial. He got $65 million for Crystal Skull. The budget is all due to reshoots and cgi.
Hollywood needs to stop deaging actors and make more cheap movies with decent plots and new faces.
I would have preferred if he just told them to frick off but at least he gouged them properly before agreeing to this shit.
It's not overpaid actors, it's the colossal amounts of CG and reshoots that these giant budget movies go through. The amount of resources they dumped into this single Indiana Jones movie could have financed 3 other blockbusters if they weren't being reshot and re-written to death during production. The VFX artists can't handle the workload either and honest, I am rooting for them to unionize because they get screwed over more than anyone else in the industry, and it will force the studios to stop scrapbooking.
The corporations who took over Hollywood are run by morons who inherited monopolies created by smarter people who built these companies decades ago and the CEOs in charge today are rich kids who never had to actually be smart or talented to make it in their industries they just walked in thanks to daddy's money and they have no idea how filmmaking works and they are still convinced A Listers = instant movie success even though that hasn't been true since the 1990s at the latest and there are no A Listers under 60 anymore. They're too risk averse to gamble on fresh young and cheap talent even though statistically speaking they're far more likely to create a hit with relative unknowns or at the very least not have to add tens of millions to a flop because of actor budgets. Just look at Bezos's idea of how to make hit TV: it's the most basic b***h list full of extremely common sense ideas mixed in with provably false nonsense, and these are the dumb fricks in charge of our media now. In fact I can guarantee you Bezos ghost wrote much of Rings of Power, or at the least he was the idea man.
There's no saving the filmmaking/television industry. The rot is top down, the entire industry is in the hands of egotistical morons. There is nothing studios can do to salvage the situation short of either breaking away from corporations or coprorations themselves firing the entire executive branch and installing new, smart, and much younger talent to helm their industry.
Get rid of all the current actors. Find people that'll work for dirt. The fees are ridiculous. Just get rid of them all
a lot of reasons have been touched on already, but one that's missing is that the number of middle managers, assistants, HR reps, and consultants has ballooned over the years, and all their salaries and fees are tacked on to the production budget
an army of useless people all being paid too much for doing almost nothing
A large factor that is not often talked about because there's no solution besides stop filming in America/working with American unions is the legalistic landscape for shooting on location or even using 90% of practical fx techniques are not allowed anymore by insurance industry fiat. Fricking sugar and flour using used as airborne debris as a practical effect isn't allowed anymore because their insurance considers that potentially dangerous. So they CGI it. And it looks like shit.
The fact that they’re running out of big name actors and not making new ones is going to make that problem non-existent.
Indiana Jones and the Feminist of Doom
I just came back from the movie RIGHT NOW and this didn't happen during it. I say this as a guy who hates that shit.
So, you were perfectly fine sponsoring people who shill for leftist terrorism and wage war on whites? What kind of man are you?
I almost punched a heckin’ nazi!
You're a fricking liar, it's full of that shit.
how so? The woman was kind of smug but i wouldnt say feminist.
>60 m
>300m budget
dead on arrival, exhumed and buried again in unknown tomb
Nazi's won.
Get producers who actually want good movies.
Hire directors with actual vision and drive, prioritize this even more than talent, and far more than credentials. That way even if it's shit at least it'll be interesting shit.
No one cares about Indy now. Crystal Skull was supposed to be the nostalgia bait tribute movie but everyone hated it. The draw for him as passed and ford is too old
This is what anime looks like to white chads
>Hitler-sama, kakkoii!
.All these happy people, just living in the moment while i'm sitting in these degenerate times and will never get an opportunity to experience such happiness or look forward to anything
All these happy people, just living in the moment while i'm sitting in these degenerate times and will never get an opportunity to experience such happiness or look forward to anything
10 years living under pure bliss is better than 80 years living in pure misery.
well atleast we have internet and video games and movies and stuff.
I don't understand, Hitler DID NOT support homosexuals, nor trannies, nor child rapist's - aka tranime fans, writers/animators???????!
OI oi Ruri-chan mitte mitte!
SUGE SUGE SUGE SUGEEEEEEEEE!!!
HITLERU-SAMA KAKUIIIIII!!!
>This is what anime looks like to white chads
Tranime
>some reports are sying the 65 prediction "may have been a little too optimistic"
this shit is flopping hard
Why are blockbusters so expensive? Do they really need nigh-on $300 million to make an action-adventure that's mostly CGI and green screen? How much of this is money laundering or a tax write-off?
It takes hours to render CGI and you have to pay the staff.
The staff is located in a sweatshop in Calcutta and Bob Iger pays them peanuts.
You can just look up the production credits to know this is false, Disney uses industrial and lucasfilm
>pay poos in Shitganistan
>pay poos in CA to do the same fricking thing
wow what a world of difference
They do the "creative work" to get a huge paycheck then outsource the other 90% of CGI work to Pajeets. Do you really think there's a single California college grad willing to do meticulous sweatshop tier labor?
The production credits have hundreds of fricking SEAmonkeys that are doing 99% of the grunt work, what the frick are you smoking. Lucasfilm and co are glorified middle men at this point
Cast + Marketing + IPs they need to acquire/license + CGI studios
>Do they really need nigh-on $300 million to make an action-adventure that's mostly CGI and green screen?
Nope.
It’s probably the motion capture
In Indy 5's case there was a lot of deepfakes to get Young Indy + a lot of reshoots.
>How much of this is money laundering or a tax write-off?
All of it.
Fraud is there as well. CGI was their downfall, you hire one of the two companies that does it, pay them 200m and hope for the best. Those 100m of those 200m goes into the pockets of executives of said company, 50m goes into the pockets of everyone else, and 10m goes to the pajeets doing CGI on undisclosed location. And when the studio eventually figures that they fricked it up, they can ask for more money to share between everyone, except pajeets, they do it for free this time, because they were no good before.
You don’t even know what a write off is
>Muh tax write-off
Throwing out meaningless buzzword terms doesn't work the way you think it does, geriatric, Black person loving old fukkk
They had to digitally de-age Ford in every shot. Gotta be expensive.
james cameron is unironically the reason, his movies get super expensive cause groundbreaking vfx but end up making money and so studios try to copy that formula even tho spielberg and lucas did blockbusters much more economically
Harrison Ford doesn't get out of bed for anything less than 200mil
>Why are blockbusters so expensive?
It can't be the CGI unless it really cost that much to de-age Ford because the rest of it looks terrible. I watched about 15 minutes last night from some cam rip and there is a scene where Jones climbs up on a train and runs along it. A shot from a long distance shows most of the train with him running along and jumping from car to car and it looks so bad.
I guess part of these huge costs has to be the creation of these movies by committee. Executives calling the shots on direction, shooting and reshooting entire sections of movies.
>it really cost that much to de-age Ford
A single autist with a 4090 can do that. These shitters are horribly inefficient and there's 10 grifters for every 1 pajeet tech doing the end work.
I have a friend doing CGI work.
They are all legit underpaid and overworked. This isn't some inefficiency BS or pajeet scam. They have like 10 movies they are working on all at the same time because every blockbuster needs CGI nowadays and because there is no union, it is a race to the bottom. Either Hollywood needs to outsource this overseas (they already do for some portions) or they need to give them more time to cook.
Money laundering?
Cgi is more expensive than practical effects.
Running cgi heavy is basically paying for a second movie production that runs along the regular production, and then paying again for someone to combine and overlay the two.
The Death Star run was done with some models and firecrackers, shot from a pickup,
It’s not exactly cheap, and you need real artists to do the matte work, but it’s still just a days labor.
Cgi really is like a second production, with a second tier of hr people, and payroll people, benefit contracts, and office space and everything else that goes along with running a staff.
what are the chances we see a return to practical?
I hope some foreign film industry would do some real high budget effect movies, a new hope, of you will
damn thats like 80m less than Crystal Skull lmao. The second time a Lucasfilm product with Phoebe WALL bridge bombed
>+40% in 15 years
Box office means nothing if you actually enjoy films, but part of why this might "under perform" is because kids right now don't know who Indiana Jones is most likely, where as even in 2008 they did. It's not a big deal.
Everybody knows Indiana Jones or is atleast familiar with him, but nobody wants to see Harrison Ford. Even back then he wasn't even a draw, this film would probably be a huge success if it was Chris Pratt as Indy.
moronic gay take, there is only one Indiana Jones. River Phoenix was fine, 1 because he was the really young version, and 2, it was back then.
There were like 4 Indys with the TV show.
Isn't the last shot Indy's hand grabbing his hat? How much did they have to pay Harrison to film that after the test screeners were mad the girl's hand took the hat?
Why would they have to pay Harrison to do that if that were actually the case? Are you moronic?
>raiders budget was 20 million
>adjust for inflation 66 million
>marketing costs are typically half that
>raiders budget is still under 100 million
Fricking what is this money going to and why does it need such a bloated budget?
Disney is dead. Reshoots and original film budget plus marketing exceeds 400 million! They'll need a billion to recoup initial investment!
>Disney is dead.
No shit. Old Walter died of lung cancer in '66. You've been living under a rock, Sherlock?
>the israelites killed Walt with cigarette commercials
damn
I’ve been saying for years it’s a bloated mess, movies are suffering so fricking much from PS2 cgi frick fests, I’m just hoping this era of movies is coming to an end and return to soul.
I think they threw a lot of money into the de-aging CGI
Does that even need much effort anymore? There are websites/apps that can do very basic versions of it for free.
It does require a lot of time and effort to make it passable for a 4K release of a film. If you've ever messed around with deepfakes yourself, you know it's hard as frick to make anything actually convincing, especially if the person is moving their head at all.
Black person, according to israelite Harrison Ford that wasn't CGI. His "de-aging" was the result of "digital composites" or compiling old photos - so he claimed on capital FM breakfast show, Thursday 29th June 2023
>or compiling old photos
You'd do that for a deep fake anyway.
for inflation 66 million
*$68M, which is still a bargain compared to today.
>Fricking what is this money going to
globohomosexual + child-grooming
whats even funnier is that Spielberg made a point of making raiders under budget to show studios he could make cheaper action movies
>Fricking what is this money going to
Berg, witz, braum, stein
Every single fricking time
>Fricking what is this money going to
it's quite simple. israelites convert much of the money designated for a movie's budget into gold and store it in their homes for later use. 1 ton of gold is worth about $60m, which gets distributed amongst various members of the chosen people according to their pecking order in the production studio. many of them who have been in the industry for a long time flex on other hebrews by using their gold bars as doorstops or leave them carelessly scattered around the house. pic related is a mockup of one of the truckloads that made the rounds for the latest indiana jones film, as well as an approximation of how much money it costs to fuel such a truck in southern california
CEO and all the executives need that salary anon
Didn't they under go several rewrites and reshoots? Almost like shooting a second movie
Embezzlement
I used to work at an animation studio, we did movies/games/advertisement you name it.
It's bloat, you have no idea how insane bloat gets.
In our company, you had 15 guys who actually worked. Then you had 4 managers for those guys, who basically just sit with their thumb up their ass and "organize" a meeting once a week were you basically waste 2 or 3 hours of work so that they can make comments about things they know nothing about. That's the "floor", the people who make the product.
Then you have the 5 HR ladies, 3 secretaries who answer 5 or 6 phone calls each, 8 pencil pusher who pretend that they're needed for shit like 2 facebook post a day, the 10 people who kinda wonder around the office with fake jobs because they're someones kid or eyecandy, and finally the 2 accountants, and 6 guys who sit around a table with the two CEOs to talk about golf because they collectively own 60% of shares.
You could fire almost everyone and get our yearly expenses cut by 90% and output would not change.
True that
If CGI is so expensive, why don’ t they go back to sets & practice effects? They are a lot cheaper and improve movies
Ease of production. CGI you can just film wherever and whenever, and edit afterwards instead of having to reshoot all over again. Makes it easier to crank shit after shit.
Punching Nazis is not economically viable.
It's too bad because the movie was legitmitely good, a hell of a lot better then Crystal Skulls. Honestly would put it above temple and below crusade. It's also funny that people kept saying that
>Indy would die
>fleabag was going to be a Mary Sue character
>she would somehow time travel and be involved in Indy's past adventures somehow
>it's a feminist flick
>it's an anti-white flick
Literally ZERO of that shit was true. Frick, you could have replaced fleabag with Marrion and it would have felt like it fit into the original 3 movies just fine.
it was that and they had to reshoot like half the movie
They reshot and re-edited it, the world wasn’t prepared for KKs full unfiltered vision.
You are a completely moron if you didn't notice how much of the movie got reshooted
>I-It was reshot!
So? What matters is what's in the final cut.
the following things are still in the movie
was going to be a Mary Sue character
>>it's a feminist flick
>>it's an anti-white flick
3 out 5 is pretty good call
>Mary Sue
>A gold digging, egotistical b***h that can't fricking relate to anyone cause his daddy went crazy
>A fricking traitor that would send almost anyone or anything for money
>Learns a lesson at the end and does the right thing by saving his godfather, who is in pain for the loss of his son and his wife
I don't know it they changed her in the reshoots, but definetely she wasn't a Mary Sue
ant-white, spineless cuck.
I know you're fresh off the boat from /misc/ or reddit, but please put a little more thought into your replies other then regurgitating some moronic response full of buzzwords that you saw other people spamming too.
The movie got reshot you stupid shill.
Not a shill and I don't give a shit, what matters is what's in the final cut.
>Honestly would put it above temple and below crusade
That's exactly what I thought as I left the theater, but then again, I'd take Temple over Dial if I had to rewatch either of them.
All the indie movies are trash, every Star Wars movie is trash too, just came to this thread to laugh at woke Hollywood homosexuals losing hundreds of millions of dollars, LMAO.
>$65M start
>decent
>for a 42yo blockbuster franchise
lol
lmao
This film would have been so much better with a de-aged Indy doing Atlantis
No screw Atlantis, people need to stop bringing it up as what they should base a movie off of. They should be using the Bantaam books for future movies instead. The books were far more interesting then any of the video games and there's plenty of material to work with, so would be easier to adapt then a 30 year old video game.
So the Bantam books are worth reading? What about the other books (not the Young ones)? And comics?
Yes, they were all very good. I don't know about the young books or comics, never read them or considered them canon.
And yet, despite this travesty, Kathleen's still keeping her job regardless.
we want her to keep her job, she's killing the company from the inside out
She’s a GL plant so he can buy it back in 5 years for penny’s. GL is king
>yfw you realize that George did not just create two of the best action/fantasy/sci fi series of all time, but if he pulls this off, he will do what has never been done. Fleece the fricking Mouse.
>tfw she was doing all this intentionally and she was one of us the entire time.
I hope not, she deserves to be out of a job after this debacle!
Indiana Jones doesn't have a lasso
I hate the Anti-Christ
>actually outflopping the flash
Holy moly Hollywood is fricking dead isn't it
>Indiana Jones hate Nazis and Neo-Cons equally
Okay it can get a few tickets for that alone.
did it hurt when you just pulled that out of your ass?
>the Dial of Destiny
the title ruins it. honestly worst title Ive heard for a film in a long time.
who approved the story? Archimedes artefact that uses time travel?? fricking hell. you may say "well the holy grail is in another film so why not this" and Im not even responding.
To most Americans, Dial is a soap brand. Also, 80 year old geriatric who hasn't had any pulling power for more than a decade and an ugly 40 year old with the charisma of your average angry twitter woke feminist. It's a complete mess. Who exactly did they think wanted to watch this?
umm chud, there's a huge grassroots audience out there craving to see Nazis Get Punched™
Angry twitter woke feminists
I don't care if hollywood execs make slightly more or slightly less profits than expected. And I certainly don't expect the global soft power institution to die because of it. Hell if Hollywood was in actual danger of dying they could easily pull back on the woke bullshit temporarily and regain their position.
Reminder that the props from this skit came from Zach's personal collection.
I remember when Jon was making good videos.
No you don’t. You remember being young and stupid enough to willingly watch youtubers
>started watching him when I was ~20
I don't think so, no.
>MCU losing audience/critical praise and shitty Phase 4 movies/shows dulled the hype for Phase 5+
>Star Wars already further gone than that, even Mandalorian S3 had diminished buzz
>Pixar's days of being a consistent moneymaker are long gone
>Indy revival DOA
What else does Disney have? I guess the next Avatar will make bank but Cameron's likely to take his time getting it right.
Tron 3 is coming, but considering that the first two underperformed, I don't get why they're even bothering from a business perspective.
it's going to be massive. apparently Leto has been living inside the grid for months to prepare
There was a 2?
Both times in the past Tron has been a sign of deep Disney desperation, and both times it failed (I love both films btw)
>I guess the next Avatar will make bank
They don't make that much from Avatar since most of the profit goes to Cameron's studio anyway. Regardless, it still wouldn't be enough to save them. They're over $124B in debt + they lost an accumulated total of $890M+ from their recent flops (Indy 5 may take it to over $1B) + Disney Plus has lost more than $4.5B in the past year - today.
They're fricking dying, and not even ESG will be enough to cover them. They'll eventually suffer the same fate as WBD which is why Iger's trying to convince Apple to buy them when that day comes.
>They're over $124B in debt
That has to be a lie, how do you even get to owe that much money?
America is something like 40 TRILLION in debt, it's nothing comparatively
Credit was dirt cheap before covid (0% interest rate). Companies were taking on debt like its going out of fashion because they thought the good time will last.
Also Disney needs to pay for a 3rd of Hulu by 2024, currently valued at 70B.
>Indy 5 may take it to over $1B
Indy 5 will lose more than a quarter of a billy at least, it'll push it way beyond $1 billion
>calling this a revival
>when the lead is 80 years old
This is such a bizarre movie, the thought process behind this shit
Who the frick thought this would “revive” Indy? Ford is 80 years old.
It obviously was meant to kick off a spin off film or series
Spin off for who? The girl? Who the frick would want to see that? How many times have they tried that? There’s only one Indy character anyone cares about and that’s Indy. It’s not even really a cast, it’s just Indy and then some other people, no one gives a shit.
I don’t know, man. I’m just going on how awkwardly the film ended and how much she is featured in the advertising
That was 100% the plan. PWB was going to be the new Indy for a Disney+ show. Because it worked so well for Willow and National Treasure.
>295M
Are the reshoots and advertising factored here?
reshoots yes, marketing no.
>290 million production / probabaly like 150 million marketing
>440 million total expense
>need about 880million worldwide gross to fully break even and start making a profit.
>>290 million production / probabaly like 150 million marketing
>>440 million total expense
>>need about 880million worldwide gross to fully break even and start making a profit.
lol
did the movie at least have his trademark punch noise?
no, there was an interview somewhere where the sound designer said they made his punches "sound diminished" to reflect the story
sacrilege
Is this even Indiana Jones?
its pheobe waller jones
That 65mil opening seems high since it's Thursday was only 7mil. Off to a worse start than the fricking Flash
nobody wants to pay full price and applebees is for fridays
once it gets leaked i am gonna watch the opening set during ww2 and then close the browser once it is done
>Decent except it's not decent
Fricking variety
65 is a lot for that trash
Are they counting all the free tickets they were giving away as sales?
They did the same for Captain Marvel, so likely yes.
They fricked up a real opportunity to make a great end/torch passing movie and maybe turn Mutt into a character you tried for and liked in favor of some chick you never heard of before constantly upstaging and belittling the main character. But I don't blame the producers or filmmakers, it's just in their nature to be subversive pieces of shit. I blame Ford and his weird obsession with destroying his own characters, he could have said NO at any point, but he didn't. Frick everyone involved in this.
Who the fricks wants to see Shia La Beuf taking the role of Indiana Jones? There is just no one like Harrison Ford nowdays, i believe the only one is Josh Brolin, and he's too old and too "serious" to be in something this lighthearted. Perhaps Pedro Pascal, but he's not an action star and not that people dig him.
There didn't need to be anymore movies after, just a good sendoff ending with Indiana passing the legacy along to his son instead of
>muh died in Vietnam
That was so fricking petty of them.
>Mutt died on his way back to Vietnam.
Crispy Rat was the no-brainer choice. He already works with Disney, can do action movies, and is a huge box office draw. I bet they didn’t even ask but he probably would have said no anyways after seeing the script
Or just give Shia a respectable end of story instead of him being an unfortunate son offscreen. Either one, really
Shia unfortunately did himself no favors talking bad about Spielberg, Spielberg was ready to drop Indiana Jones on his lap and he wasn't the least bit grateful.
Shia isn't in movies anymore because people think he's a violent rapist because of FKA Twigs, he was still getting movies at the peak of his HWNDU insanity and very mild Spielberg riffing. Only after it was alleged that he laid a hand on a BLACK KWEEN in 2020 was he canceled, the most thought Spielberg probably dedicated to him prior was
>Oh frick why do I have to be grouped with this sperg
Pratt is equally poison in something like Indiana Jones to these people, the series is loudly propped-up by people going
>DOOD PUNCH NAZIS!!!!!
currently, and that alone would probably be the mask-off moment for people to start screaming about how he's a fascist cat-killing homophobe Nazi, and thus has no business being Indy
>Who the fricks wants to see Shia La Beuf taking the role of Indiana Jones?
Me!!, anything that makes Cinemaphile seethes is wort watching.
I wanted Shia Back. Heck, bring back Short Round and make it a buddy adventure.
I would like to see Shia as the next Indy. Okay not really. I don’t care about that. What I care about is that the legacy of Indians Jones should be the most important aspect and not which actor is playing them. I don’t mean Ford should be replaced. I mean they shouldn’t have made the story suffer (Indy losing his son) because they had an actor issue. Recast. Or make amends. Didn’t have to pass the torch. Really disheartening to have the story end like it did.
When it was 2008, and even now I would be totally fine with Shia becoming the "next Indy" but I just would have wanted it to be called the Adventures of Mutt Williams or what have you. The reason why this won't happen at all though is because he pissed off Spielberg way too much during Crystal Skull.
>hollywood will heckin die bro!
Hollywood is one of the most important institutions to the American Empire. It's probably the 3rd most important behind the military and wall street. If the people in charge feel it's actually under threat and China actually gets it shit together on the entertainemnt front, Hollywood will experience a massive resurgence in money.
>Disney: We made this piece of shit
>American Public: Thanks, here's 65 million dollars
DEY HERE!
DOCTA JOWNZ IT DA NAHTZEES
Frick me what a pointless character. She gets killed not even halfway in and doesn't effect the plot in the slightest. She really could be cut and nothing would change
the ((diversity score)) would change
I imagine like everything else she had a bigger part in the 2/3rds of the movie they reshot.
>CIA Black person
I think she existed solely to call that one guy a cracker and get away with it. I'm surprised they killed her. She looks like some stereotypical negress from a shit video game
All black women in video games look the same because they use the same actress. Debra Wilson licensed out her mocap scans to video game studios. So instead of investing in young talent, they all bought Debra Wilson's face. The industry is basically saying "We're going to clone one actress 100 times, and you won't notice since all black women look the same."
I think the idea was that it was a callback to blackspoitation flicks of the 70's, the same way Indiana Jones is supposed to be a callback to the adventure serials of the 40's.
>de-aging a 90 year old man for a fricking action movie
Can we finally be done with this shit forever now please? You had your time grandpa, men over 55 need to stop trying to mainline action flicks. It’s so fricking embarrassing.
They will be making Harrison Ford movies for the next 50 years and you will slurp it all up
Then show me a guy who's under 50, 40 at absolute best probably more like 45, who isn't a fricking total homosexual nowadays. Anyway, what you said isn't going to happen. I'm 33.
The problem is hollywood squeezed all those actors out because they keep casting the same old guys who have been around since the 80s. This is all leading to ai actor shit anyway so it doesn’t even matter now
Cavill is 40.
Awesome, a shit actor with tiny hands
Wasn’t that debunked?
You think some homosexual obsessed with another mans hands is going to believe anything that disputes his autistic fixation?
Im more of a Cinemaphile guy but doesnt Pratt enter this list? I think hes the only "young" actor comparable to the old fricks that keep getting hired since the 89s
Pratt is one of the people that should've been a shoe in, but he's poison on social media since he's a straight white Christian male. Yet he still delivers and I think most if not all of his recent films make bank. It is what it is though. These corps don't want anything to do with anyone that have the "wrong" politics.
But what abou tom cruise
>You had your time grandpa, men over 55 need to stop trying to mainline action flicks. It’s so fricking embarrassing.
Tom is dabbing on every young actor and he's 60.
The whole industry is sitting on the backs of Cruise, Pitt, Keanu, Leo, etc. All Gen Xers. Even Brad isn't nearly the draw he used to be.
There's no new blood in hollywood, all the young ones are forced memes.
That's double true for the music industry. The only two genres thriving are pop and rap. And all the biggest draws are late millennials and Gen Xers.
They should have just made a parallel adventure story with old Indy and new actor cast as young Indy in the past. Do clever editing with action scenes across time and ease audiences into having a new actor. They even could have done something interesting with a relationship from the past affecting current Indy
>bringing multiverse shit to fricking Indiana Jones
have a nice day
Not multiverse you fricking sperg. A flashback
That sounds fun.
i hope Hollywood collapses, literally and figuratively.
it's okay. it will make monies through dvd/blu-ray sales and of course streaming services
>actually promotes the movie by having the lead shill for leftist terrorism and "punching nazis," which, in the current year, just refers to whites who don't hate themselves or borders
What happened to western culture?
I never thought I'd ever cave and say this but... I'm sorry, Lucas.
Everyone line up, pull down your pants and reveal your cute little butts, and repeat after me :
I"m sorry Mr George Lucas
Do it, now.
He put KK in charge in the first place
NO HE DIDNT
>dad mocks me for watching anime
>sit through a 2h 30 min CGI cartoon boomerfest
I still don't get why he doesn't see the irony.
Being cringy runs in your family.
Will Disney ever make kino again?
Dead on arrival. That's called capitalism.
Those damn Nazis
Somebody change my diaper
Its amazing that multi-million dollar franchise made by the biggest companies in entertainment will have had at least two movies that were actively worse than a 30 year old point and click adventure title.
To be outclassed by better movies is unfortunate; to be outdone by a MS-DOS game is a fricking embarrassment.
oh man, I loved that game. infernal machine was bretty gud too
It is amazing in general how all these corporations are just running these former million-dollar franchises into the ground. Like, what will be left to even ruin?
anime
>Like, what will be left to even ruin?
i guess they're gonna start doing more videogame adaptions
Raiders of the Lost Arc looked better 42 years ago.
Batman 1989 looked better than The Flash 34 years ago.
Both cost a tiny fraction of what their modern day equivalents did.
Retvrn to practical effects.
Kids don't even know what the real world looks like because of all the garbage they watch. They're the same morons you see reacting to some basic pic, asking if it's AI.
Toothpaste out of the tube. Too late. This is how movies look now forever
>295 million
Whut
Just finished watching it.
It's not as offensively hollywood as I expected (only really noticed one or two suspiciously "online-sounding" bad oneliners in the very opening part and Voller's henchman having a deep southern drawl) and they don't give Indiana the total Luke treatment like some claimed, it's only a few jabs at his age, a case of foreshadowing for the ending and the insulter being a c**t in character. (if there was any kind of degrade and replace thing going on it was obviously lost in the reshooting)
That said it's a fairly mediocre greenscreen vehicle with little to no location shooting chockfull of CG (seriously why the frick can't a 300 mil movie shoot on location with actual lighting and scenery it'd look so much better it's not even funny), non-charismatic co-stars (Wombat but even worse her sidekick), all the actual enjoyable acting time in the movie are done by Ford and Mikkelsen with a few shining moments for the villain sidekicks. One (admittedly very cool) climax scene of Nazis vs Romans doesn't really make up for the rest of it.
Unlike most of modern Disney I wasn't actively offended by this movie, it didn't feel like it was trying to piss me off like modern Star Wars does in every single way, but it's mediocre enough that I also wouldn't spend time watching it a second time.
>(seriously why the frick can't a 300 mil movie shoot on location with actual lighting and scenery
I think that they're foreseeing re-shoots at this point. Besides, location shooting is expensive, unless it's Prague. They'd rather save that cash for cgi used in reshoots.
thnx for review, seams grounded
How is it supposed to make its money back if its opening at 60mill. I'd imagine most people go to see it opening weekend.
Can some smart anons help me understand?
It doesn’t. Movies are too fricking expensive to make right now
amazing that Indiana Jones wont make money but anime movie Suzume probably returned a decent profit.
Suzume budget: $20-25 million
Box office: $175 million
Everybody memes on Disney leaning too much on generational trauma and the immigrant child experience, but Makoto Shinkai made Your Name three times to huge success. Make movies with pleasing art and good writing, and people will show up.
Thats even better than I thought, Story was just good not great imo but everything else about it was amazing. Seems like a general hollywood problem for these big franchises.
Like that Doctor strange two writer filming scenes before he wrote the script again (for the second time in a two week period that he had left.)
Looks likea jap bailey jay.
Bayri JAV?
money laundering
Damn, looks like they'll have to up their shill game so they can pretend that "word of mouth" says that it's actually a *totally* good movie.
The temple of doomed
>white protagonist in a country with no white people
wtf were they thinking
My cam copy missed a few minutes so I'm not 100% sure, but - does this movie really not have a "line moving across the map as Indy travels the world" scene???
there's two of them
for some reason there isn't one from NY to Tangiers, instead there's a flashback to a scene without new information
I'll bite, does Cinemaphile have a non pajeet poo link I can watch?
> Decent opening
When they have to include the previews, you know the movie is doomed.
How do you spend 295 million dollars on a movie?
Money laundering and poor decision making.
In this case they reshot the entire last third of the movie because it was even worse than it is now.
>You mean to tell me you only made 22% of your budget in ONE DAY?! Social media is broken. Context does not matter to anyone.
> Indiana Jones and the Dial of Destiny came in at $7.2 million in previews Thursday,
> Crystal Skull opened fully on the Thursday before Memorial Day weekend with $25M.
Adjusted for ticket inflation, this is catastrophic.
It’s literally the same movie again
Indy has younger intended replacement sidekick
Indy is old
Marion is his lover
They make up
Old ass Ford hobbles around on stage, doesn’t give a shit
Bullshit Indy is looking for is absurdly spectacular and powerful
Villain is self defeating
It’s the same fricking movie 15 years later, just a terrible idea all around
>Bullshit Indy is looking for is absurdly spectacular and powerful
...that's literally every artifact from the movies.
>Villain is self defeating
...and this too.
>Bullshit Indy is looking for is absurdly spectacular and powerful
Nah you're wrong there. The dial is the weakest object Indy has ever gone after. It's just used to find time rifts
To be fair, finding time rifts would be far more powerful/dangerous than the other movie artifacts; the problem is that it's used to just find time rifts leading to one particular point/place in time, and it doesn't really matter that much because time travel works like Bill and Ted, so you already know the end result of any time frickery.
>time rifts being more powerful then angels of death and a direct line to god, a chalice that makes you immortal, and stones that give you magic voodoo powers
Yes, being able to time travel to the future for super advanced weaponry and medicine or to the past to alter events and do shit like prevent your enemy from existing is far more powerful than a big heavy box you can't reasonably use other than killing people in the general area, a chalice that heals but can't be taken beyond a certain point, and stones that vaguely give life or bring fire down on those who betray Shiva the voodoo magic was separate from the stones, btw. Time travel where you can properly alter history will always be ridiculously over powered. Not that this matters anyways since again, the time travel in the final movie is pre-determined and only to one point.
Pretty sure the movie establishes you can't actually change the past. There's a self-fulfilling paradox involving archimedes and his dial, and Archimedes himself sees they were always supposed to meet him. Plus it was built to go to exactly ONE time period and place, that was Archimede's home and time. You can only use the device to go from your time and to his and back again.
So considering all that it's not exactly a powerful artifact.
>build a time machine that can only return to the time it was created
That's stupid.
>build a fricking Time Machine
>hmm should I go into the future
>nah I’ll sit here at my house and some weirdos will occasionally come see me
Archimedes is a moron lmao
Anon, the original post I was replying to implied finding time rifts (in general) was useless. I illustrated why it could be powerful if the movie went with a different route, but highlighted twice how the way it is in the final film time travel changes were already in effect and you can't properly change anything (as it functions like Bill and Ted).
It was worse than how they did Young Luke in Mando/Boba Fett. They didn't use a stand-in to mimic Ford, so his shrunken body and wrinkly hands are going around with his young head, and then they didn't use AI to give him his less gruff voice.
It's catastrophic regardless
I am glad this shit is flopping hard.
This proves that KK has to have Iger's nudes or something if she remains at the head of Lucas
how the frick that movie have a 300 million dollar budgeT? WHAT THE FRICK??????????????? are they shooting in space???
They reshoot a lot of it
That’s not really a lot of money.
A single person’s salary is $75,000 to be a living wage in Los Angeles (per the state) , which means it costs a company after benefits and payroll taxes about $150,000 to get a years worth of work for a middle class basic job.
Have you seen film credits? 500 people get listed, and another 1,500 don’t. Even taking a low ball a year that is still 150,000,000 just in wages, and that’s before, insurance, $10,000 movie cameras, set material, lights, etc etc.
Idiot
Explain how.
Man of steel had over 2,500 people listed on the credits.
>bro just hire 50 cgi “”artists” to make your scene that c+’d their way to their degree.
Bro, don’t hire real artists, bro please.
>don’t hire
I didn't even know there was an Indiana Jones movie in theaters until the moron atwork said "hey anon g-g-guess what imma see on Sunday! Indiana Jones" and he walked away before I could say "that's cool buddy". Even the morons it appeals to don't have the fortitude to sit down and watch any movie
this youtube shit video does a better job with deep fake deaging whatever than a 300m hollywood movie. shit
>Decent Start
Delusional
this movie is good, literally nothing wrong with it or "feminist" about it. indiana is much more the hero, the girl is in it but not the center and indy is more competent, fricking insane how moronic the anti woke has gotten to where it's the same. just seeing things related to what they don't want, uhh women in movie = woke man hating movie. anyone who says this movie is woke is moronic
That's the problem, the literal morons saying it's woke or feminist or whatever have not seen the movie and never will.
Quit replying to yourself Disney Mom
u owe me 100 dolla now!!!
Even if it isn't, they're right in assuming she's an annoying b***h, and they know she's kind of ugly, and they currently surmise that Kathleen wants her to spin off as a protagonist of her own bullshit which literally no one wants
Quick question. Just saw the movie (didn't pay, frick KK). Indy gets framed for murder midway through the movie, but at the end he goes back to New York like everything is fine and nothing happened. Can someone explain to me what happened here???
New York legalized murder remember.
Fleabag cleared his name. You have to remember that part of the reason Indy was chasing after her in the first place was so that she could do that.
I wouldn't worry about it too much
Did they make any attempt to market this movie? Didn't even hear about it until it was almost out
Yes it got shitcanned for reshoots several months ago. It’s been a disaster since day 1. Not surprising that it underperformed BO wise considering when these things happen it almost never ends well
They really should have just cut this down to 90 minutes, it was a 2 1/2 hour long slog for the most part
They probably shouldn’t have reshot it at all, it never seems to translate to any better possibility for success and definitely spells stinker for those following the project
Essentially deflates all optimism for it before it’s even out
This bullshit is almost 3 hours long? Good god why is every movie 3 hours long now. Action adventure movies should be around 100-110 minutes at the absolute most.
At least de-aging technology is actually good now.
ehhhhhhhhhh, it still got a ways to go. looked a little weird in this movie
Still has ways to go, it was pretty uncanny valley during the movie
It's been good for a while, hobbyists posting their vids on youtube prove that. The industry hacks are just hacks.
Good!
Watching the Hollywood press try and pretend like a 65 million dollar opening is impressive for the most expensive movie ever made is pretty hilarious. israelite rodents are so transparent and they’re supposed to be so smart lmao.
someone bake a /druk/ thread
literally how do you spend 300 mil on an indiana jones movie? shit should be mostly practical effects
the lucasfilm leeches pay themselves a big fat salary
They had to cgi Ford to look 60 instead of 80
Oh no, overrated movie series flop, can't believe it, maybe men in black next time?
>maybe men in black next time?
That already happened
With Hollywood shitting the bed I feel like there should be a wide window for smaller younger rogue filmmakers to swoop in and put out some serious kino for a fraction of the cost.
who's going to be the villain now that even the left are Nazis
haha that's great
it would be more funny if it wasnt right larping as left
if you suspend disbelief it can be
don’t care
Do zoomer writers really think Indiana Jones lassoes people with his whip?
Just got back from it.
It was just Okay. Young Indiana Jones and Rome were the best parts.
But it was one of the most empty theaters ive seen opening night.
>Just got back from it
You are the problem
> ke, what will be left to even ruin?
Back to the future but the guys refuse to sell the rights so Hollywood is waiting till they die. The flash and dial of destiny is just want to be back-to-zither future movies
>Back to the future
please no.
>The rights to the film and its sequels are owned by Robert Zemeckis and Bob Gale.
>In a 2015 interview, Zemeckis maintained that no reboot or remake of the film would be authorized during his or Gale's lifetime.
>bob gale is 72
>zem is 71
Tick tock
I didn't know this movie existed at all until this week
Lasso?
He uses a whip
Is it really gonna flop harder than the Flush?
>bro just use cgi, wtf.
Meanwhile hobbiests could do something as good as this for 10,000 over a few long weekends, and would look just as good if you rented the. Film quality camers
>decent start
journocucks coping as usual
>bro a guy in a gold robot and a guy in a Wookiee suit?
Bro just hire an actor stand in with computer tracing dots suit, then invent a 3D tracking camera system so you know where the actor is, then hire cgi staff to make a gold robot and a Wookiee and then place those over the actor with the tracking dots, bro it is so much cooler.