The magic women, the strongest faction on the continent, have just captured the greatest threat in centuries.
They bring him to a bustling metropolis (a different one in the show than the book, but a bit city nonetheless) and this is the quality of ceremonial procession they can put on. Pretty pathetic kek
elayne can tell the function of ter'angreal by touching or studying them. this is considered a "lost" art (no one has been able to do that since before the Breaking)
she ends up making 3 (inferior) copies of Matt's foxhead medallion
>elayne can tell the function of ter'angreal by touching or studying them
No. Avi is the one who can tell the function of ter'angreal, Elayne is the one who figures out how to MAKE them.
I think Elayne might hold the record of most kidnapped, in the series with the most kidnappings ever. Also the most spanking, Robert Jordan was pretty based.
Faile spent 3 months getting constantly spanked by the Shaido, she also got tied up naked to a table and put on display. This was done by the same people who also decided Galina wasn't allowed to wear clothes for a few weeks because she'd been misbehaving.
People always bring up Jordan's BDSM fetish, but they often don't notice that he's also a connoisseur of ENF.
>doesn't nynaeve do everything because she's actually competent?
even the books are moronic with nynaeve, she's meant to be unable to channel unless angry, but being a turbo b***h she can make herself angry at the drop of a hat so it's barely an inconvenience through the whole fricking series
They go on forever and ever and ever and ever . . . read The Book of the Sun instead so you can have an actual powerful, memorable experience you can complete in decent amount of time.
first couple are alright then they just drag on forever with nothing really happening
If you don’t want to read a copy of LOTR and Dune mashed together for the first couple of books only for things to drag in damsel in distress and journey/political plots in the middle of the series with them culminating in 3 books worth of a ok to moderately good ending don’t bother. I’d only recommend it to people who time on their hands, fantasy genre completionists, and people who want to write.
Alright then, I'll go for the Book of the New Sun instead
If you don’t want to read a copy of LOTR and Dune mashed together for the first couple of books only for things to drag in damsel in distress and journey/political plots in the middle of the series with them culminating in 3 books worth of a ok to moderately good ending don’t bother. I’d only recommend it to people who time on their hands, fantasy genre completionists, and people who want to write.
>a copy of LOTR
Anyone who says this has never read WoT and is just regurgitating what they heard someone else say who also never read it. The similarities to LotR are extremely superficial and only last for the first half of book 1 or so.
The first book is a homage to Tolkien and is rather simplistic in comparison to the ones that follow. The second book kicks things into overdrive by comparison and sets the stage for the rest of the series in terms of complexity with the third and fourth providing somewhat of a stable model for the books going forwards ( specifically really nailing down the character of Rand and all of the political backbiting and intrigue of a world with a Dragon Reborn ). Though I feel pretty much all of the books have a unique character of their own with specific and complex storylines, while also managing to continue to expand the various threads and plotlines from previous books weaving them together with prose that makes it feel like true epic fantasy that rewards your attention and dedication to detail. WoT has some of the best worldbuilding in fiction imo and even the smallest details are remembered and weaved into the story at various points ). Makes for endless re-readability
I know a lot of people say that the middle section of the series can drag, but for me the vast majority of the middle is my favorite part of the series by far. The run of Fires of Heaven, Lords of Chaos, Crown of Swords ( 5-7 ) is just peak fiction for me, and honestly, I don't have much of a bone to pick with any of the books starting with Great Hunt ( 2 ) going all the way up through to Path of Daggers ( 8 ). That's a streak of 7 nearly 1,000 page novels where I find the vast majority of the content to be well written and engaging. Admittedly, some perspectives and storylines were more interesting than others, but so much variety was provided, I think you can very reasonably say that there's something there for everybody
I find that every fresh read of the series feels like a new experience because of how many new connections I make and how that increases my understanding and appreciation for everything else that new detail affects down the line. The real slog I've found hits once you get to Winter's Heart ( 9 ) and continues on into Crossroads of Twilight ( 10 ). Knife of Dreams ( 11 ) was a solid return to form and managed to steer the story back on track after it had been meandering
TL;DR: Read The Great Hunt if you didn't end up enjoying Eye of the World all that much. If you're at all predisposed to the kind of complex interwoven narrative Jordan refines in the second book, you can't afford to potentially deprive yourself of the experience imo
2/2
even winters heart has the best climax since 6, its only CoT that is the real slog
I liked the stuff with Perrin and Faile, shame he's like a giant English man and not a giant French or Italian, frankly she needs correction and wants it too.
Yes but she abuses Perrin constantly in order to get him to give her the punishment she knew she deserved. Big lug didn't deserve it and it got old fast since it went on for several books. Same for the constant Baerlon flirting shit and Faile's insecurity about it
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That's not all her fault, the whole female part of her family is like power masochists, she just needed a good spanking and dicking. But alas he's British and the British reproduce by budding caused by their hatred of the Irish. You are right that it went on too long.
I find that every fresh read of the series feels like a new experience because of how many new connections I make and how that increases my understanding and appreciation for everything else that new detail affects down the line. The real slog I've found hits once you get to Winter's Heart ( 9 ) and continues on into Crossroads of Twilight ( 10 ). Knife of Dreams ( 11 ) was a solid return to form and managed to steer the story back on track after it had been meandering
TL;DR: Read The Great Hunt if you didn't end up enjoying Eye of the World all that much. If you're at all predisposed to the kind of complex interwoven narrative Jordan refines in the second book, you can't afford to potentially deprive yourself of the experience imo
2/2 >even winters heart has the best climax since 6, its only CoT that is the real slog
Honestly its so frustrating. There are so goddamn many kino's in the fricking books and everytime Rafe walks up to one he just turns around and shoves the dildo in his ass and starts sucking his thumb and casting 50 year old hags.
>The first book is a homage to Tolkien
That's an over simplification. Robert Jordan said in an interview, that he wanted to do a different take on the whole prophesy thing. He said that typically people hear a prophesy and then they all team up to see it through, all agreeable and everything. But he figured that there would be a lot more self interest involved. So he wrote a story where despite the prophesies, people remained self interested. That's why everyone is so stubborn.
Also, he wanted to do a different take on the old wise man coming to a country village and convincing them to go on an adventure and everyone agrees easily. He said that in his experience growing up in the country, the people would be more like to nod and offer to buy a beer, and then when you're distracted, escape through the back of the bar. Basically, they'd be nice to your face, but avoid going along with your crazy stories.
So yeah, he was inspired by LotR. But he was inspired to do a unique take on LotR. He wasn't just copying.
I find that every fresh read of the series feels like a new experience because of how many new connections I make and how that increases my understanding and appreciation for everything else that new detail affects down the line. The real slog I've found hits once you get to Winter's Heart ( 9 ) and continues on into Crossroads of Twilight ( 10 ). Knife of Dreams ( 11 ) was a solid return to form and managed to steer the story back on track after it had been meandering
TL;DR: Read The Great Hunt if you didn't end up enjoying Eye of the World all that much. If you're at all predisposed to the kind of complex interwoven narrative Jordan refines in the second book, you can't afford to potentially deprive yourself of the experience imo
it was only good because there weren't any other options back then for men that want harem fantasies.
Today Harem fiction is a huge genre with infinite options.
The first two books are amazing but turn out to be a big setup for nothing. I endured until book #7, and when I realized I was constantly led on yet nothing every pays off I ditched the series. I can't fathom reading it multiple times, it's just painfully bad. Characters, artifacts, and powers get mentioned and used ONCE and then forgotten entirely. Horn of Valere is the perfect example.
Look at the length, detail, and word complexity used by people replying to you. Use that to estimate their general IQ, then compare the assumed IQs of positive and negative opinions
It's basically messianic fantasy but this time the messiah is also the antichrist who goes literally insane and has to somehow prepare the entire world for armageddon while they'd rather just play petty politics instead.
They share some DNA (in the setting porn and women porn to a lesser degree in Zelanzy) but the setting is leagues apart. Mythological yes, overall no. And Amber had like 10 books didn't it?
apart from Rosamund who is complicit and deserves horrible things to happen to her, the rest of the actors are just kids who are doing their best with the shit being served to them
If anyone gets into the books, I'd really recommend considering maybe taking a break after the part where all those Aiel get turned into salsa, because for the next several books it's mostly mean girls bullshit with like different b***hy women being huge b***hes to each other.
Also since it's been at least a year and these threads are shit anyway, I think if I was going to collar Moghedien, she really deserves it and she'd probably sound really cute spanking her. Plus she's a huge coward and wouldn't find a way to manipulate you unlike the other one.
>siuan skips the entire season >comes back at the end to unshield moiraine with 14 other aes sedai in a powerful girl moment
strong powerful and brave!!!
It's not like the people making the show know the difference or remember which one she is supposed to be. If they want an epic girlboss scene where she gets Healed they will have it, they demonstrably don't give a shit about consistency.
>thinking for even a second that this shitshow would let Rand do anything cool or heroic
Lol. They will only take his moments away from him and give them to the girls, no fricking way they'll let him do anything himself.
This is supposed to be the mystery box for the season but no one cares because show gays don't know any better and bookgays know better. Lan can't be bonded if she's severed and lan's still something so.
>siuan skips the entire season >comes back at the end to unshield moiraine with 14 other aes sedai in a powerful girl moment
strong powerful and brave!!!
This is supposed to be the mystery box for the season but no one cares because show gays don't know any better and bookgays know better. Lan can't be bonded if she's severed and lan's still something so.
I dont think she is severed. They used the same animation for the when they shielded Logain. It would make sense she wouldnt realize she was shielded because Ishamel used Saidin...but they have never addressed Saidin in the show. Having Morianne be severed just makes all the problems with the show worse.
It's a stupid mystery box. Even shielded people know they are shielded as apposed to severed, re rand in the box. You can feel Saidar and Saidin before you can ever embrace it (which makes sense). Stupid fricking writing.
Honesty, rand gets so many good story beats even in the early books.
>Narg >Rand and the Whitecloaks in Baerlon >His power use against the first dark friend >Rand and Lan Kinos >branding Kinos >Matt staff fighting the princes Kinos >The hunt for the horn Kinos >Rand being called to flame >Horn being blown Kinos >Dream Kinos >being run thru with staff Kinos
But no, we needed to watch Hags jilling each other off.
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My favorite moment will probably be the "Ashammon KILL" part. Especially listening to the audiobook.
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>audio books in general
Cringe.
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I like the audiobook, I've read and listened to both.
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>I've read
You haven't.
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Yes, I have. Don't be stupid.
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>he tells others not to be stupid >listens to audiobooks
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I already told you I like both, I've read and listened up to like book 8 before the mean girls shit was too much.
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You've never read the books. I don't know why you keep pretending you have.
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You're trying to hard.
8 months ago
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You should try harder and actually read a book.
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Mean girls shit? Wtf are you talking about
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Around book 8 is when it starts to slow down a lot and half the book is mostly b***h Aei Sedai arguing and tugging on their braids and adjusting their skirts, it drove me a little crazy.
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That's my opinion though.
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What a brave opinion that no one else shares!
8 months ago
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You in a bad mood friend, everything going okay? Wanna talk about it?
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>not utilizing drive time to listen to a book
cringe
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Me too, Veins of gold, the clensing of the source, His stint as Darth Rand against the Seanchan, Rands fight with Semirhage and the aftermath, Bae firing Graendal, Honestly I would have started the series at the fields or maybe at the fall of tear. Leave the worst of the farmboy origin for flashbacks and go from there. But what do I know.
8 months ago
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One of my favorite scenes, even though its super cheesy is when Rand rescues Itrualde, and solos a massive army. "He raised his hand, and they started to die." I love the imagery of that.
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Does Rand even have the most PoV chapters? Wheel of Time is much more of an ensemble storyline right?
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His POV chapters are kinda light compared to the girls and maybe Perrin.
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His POV chapters are kinda light compared to the girls and maybe Perrin.
Probably not from his POV...though he is often shown through someone else's POV. If I had to guess Egwene likely has the most POV chapters, but it could be Mat. There are big stretches where its only Mat
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Yeah Egwene gets a bunch, Elayne does as well, I don't actually remember if we ever got any from Aviendha
It also has a link to switch it to POV for each chapter of every book.
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https://wot.fandom.com/wiki/Statistical_analysis
this is probably a better link, it has a series breakdown and Rand has the most with 256 POV chapters
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The lady Elayne has a lot of chapters wow! Even though we just got to meet her this season. Why don't Lan and Moiraine have more if they are such main characters?
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Thats only chapters from their point of view. They are onscreen a lot, just from another's point of view
Indeed it is. A lot can be said about how the show is fricking things up. Love or hate Jordan and his writing but he sets up a very detailed and consistent world. When you do what the show does, and try to cherry pick, change, or outright invent new things, it wont work within the established world. Tackling something like wheel of time was not a good decision, but trying to deviate from the source is an even worse one.
i think they're treating saidin and saidar existing as some sort of big reveal for no fricking reason. like an ancient secret kept by the white tower
[...] >Calls her "poogwene", an Indian insult >Calls her face "rama-rama" another Indian insult >Posts a video of aboriginals >Calls her the ugliest people possible.
You're trying way to hard to hate. You're just saying anything, whether it makes sense or not. That's childish.
rama rama is an aboriginal thing meaning stupid or something. they use it on marketing campaigns to try and convince aboriginals to stop drinking and sniffing petrol
the suldam got the lesbian bdsm part of it right with the way she said good girl that's for sure but i don't know how you can even get hard with egwene on the screen
Because Egwene is a brat that needs correction. God we'll never get another author as cultured, the amount of bdsm stuff in WOT was quite a bit, but still tasteful.
The books do the domination submission thing really well, pretty hot tbh. Jordan had excellent taste. The part with Faile was pretty hot, I wish I had an aggressive tigress sub wife.
She's brainwashed if she's enjoying blatant goyslõp like this mines was watching it too but dropped it because of all the brown people thanks to my blackpills
Most women are aware/blackpilled but just don't care about their part in the degradation of society. That's most women though, I've gotten my mom to Boycott target but she still shops at B&N, I'm never going to get her to apply her values universally but I can turn her against the worst offenders
Did that for a friend last who learned about the books through the show even though I KNEW Amazon would use those sales as fodder for clickbait articles that the show was helping sales ( never fricking needed help, sold 90 million+ copies prior to the show and was about to head over the 100 million+ line anyways, which is probably why they made the series when they did, so they could claim credit for that milestone )
>which is probably why they made the series when they did, so they could claim credit for that milestone
yeah wouldn't surprise me if they set the air date close to their projections for 100m sold
i'm getting my dad the three body books for christmas this year so he can be a hipster with his old man scifi friends and say he read it before the netflix show came out
The best part is she would know if you are going to get her pregnant to give you your best performance >And she would lie each time and say it was destiny.
Min is cute and sexy, I'd make it her destiny, it's a shame that Rand didn't put 30 in her. Though he did survive so maybe we just didn't get to see it.
coul the idiot making these pay attention to the character names, they clearly have no fricking idea what they are doing, its lazy as frick, i.e contrasting RJ's Fain to the shows one, seems obvious, also wtf is bornhald their?
She did not. Gumgum is from one piece and Elayne is from wheel of time. Is it possible there's another breaking of the world type event and Odas world is the next age of Randland? Sure, someone could make that argument. The mysterious D, the celestial dragons could all be references to Rand but it's highly unlikely and therefore you are wrong.
They'll simply say he did in the books when he was a warder for that other aes sedai before egwene found him. That scene is gay orgy coded bro don't be a bigot. RJ would have written it this way if he were alive today.
You mean the scene where he was being brutally and relentlessly raped via compulsion? There's no way anyone on the writing staff A) got that far into the books or B) Would be okay with that. There's just no way they'll say it's okay to rape lan. I refuse anyone except Rigney would do such a thing.
can someone tell me how season 1 ended? it was so forgettable but i think one of the last things was them stepping into the portal and leaving mat behind
My dad watched like 10 minutes of it because he scrolling through Amazon prime and thought it was dog shit, couldn't really articulate why, but he's a mega normie and he could just tell.
omg I was someone post this earlier, and it's everything!
Moiraine the awkward giant who is actually making things worst until she realizes she needs to let go and accept. >this fricking homosexual cartoonist gets the series better then rafe.
>Moraine is the main character
Should we tell the showrunners that's not really the case in the books?
If those Showrunners could read this would really hurt their feelings.
>elayne can tell the function of ter'angreal by touching or studying them
No. Avi is the one who can tell the function of ter'angreal, Elayne is the one who figures out how to MAKE them.
That's the funny thing is that most characters have a special of three, Aviendha's canonly better trained then the aes sedai and her and nynaeve both 'randomly' learn weaves like crazy. Elayne's terangeral thing is actually kind of piddly (useful but Piddly).
God she is so fricking ugly. No amount of makeup or cgi could ever make her appealing. It's like they intentionally picked the ugliest people possible.
God she is so fricking ugly. No amount of makeup or cgi could ever make her appealing. It's like they intentionally picked the ugliest people possible.
>Calls her "poogwene", an Indian insult >Calls her face "rama-rama" another Indian insult >Posts a video of aboriginals >Calls her the ugliest people possible.
You're trying way to hard to hate. You're just saying anything, whether it makes sense or not. That's childish.
You misunderstand. I called her Poogwene because her skin is the colour of poo, her rama-rama because the Aboriginal music video and I posted the music vid because she's half Aboriginal and it's funny that they had to go out of their way to tell Abos that they shouldn't huff petrol.
iirc one of the companion books said that the torture chair the aes sedai use is actually a vr console but since the aes sedai use it incorrectly it only conjures horrific images
What special power? She was just a crazy b***h pretty much the entire series. Rand will wind up with three women that nobody else wants. So it's pretty much accurate to how most poly couples actually are.
When you can't find quality, might as well go for quantity.
Is her power sexual in nature? Like it sounds like she has Bi tendencies because she is always ogling women with large chests, and she looks like she would have no problem going down on a woman.
I didn't know there was already a Wheel thread because you didn't tag it right senpai! tbh how excited are you for the new Wheel of Time Season 2 Episode 7 when it drops? I never read the books but I have lots of questions!
How strong is Nynaeve actually? Is she stronger than Rand even? It appears that way because of all the things she has done!
Is Elayne kind of Bi in the books as well? It looks like her and Egwene are getting along really well!
Is Lanfear really stronger than Ismael? We haven't seen her do much so far but they seemed really scared of her!
Can someone explain the "Darkness" in Mat? Is it because of like his gambling addiction?
Is Perrin gay in the books? It seems like they are kind of implying that.
What can Rand actually do as the "Dragon"? So far he really hasn't done anything, he doesn't seem all that tough to be honest.
Where is the city that Moiraine and Rand are at vs like where the Ogre dude and Perrin and that whole crew went? Like how far away are they?
She's is supposed to one of the strongest in the world, Jordan autistically ranked everyone.
Elayne loves the wiener.
No.
BS for the show
No. He likes women.
Break the fricking world, you were supposed to see him single handledly take down a fricking army at the end of season 1, to demonstrate to you what those powers might be like, but they gave it to Egwene instead.
show geography doesn't exist.
>What can Rand actually do as the "Dragon"? So far he really hasn't done anything, he doesn't seem all that tough to be honest.
the very kino and important prologue from the book which still hasn't been shown is the dragon lews therin channeling enough power to annihilate himself and busting a hole so deep into the earth in the process it forms a massive volcano
we saw a little bit of his potential when he was channeling with logain but that's merely the surface of his power
hopefully next episode rand finally gets to do some shit with the power
no lews therin is the dragon. he's the reincarnation of the champion of light who appears in every age but the dragon is his title alone
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Wrong. There's a dragon in every age.
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Wrong. There is not. The Dragon is only spun out as the Dragon when a confrontation with the Dark One is necessary (2nd and 3rd Ages). In other Ages, where the Champion is not needed, the Wheel spins the Dragon out as a regular Hero of the Horn, or not at all.
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There have only been 3 ages, the first age that we know little about, Lews Therin, and Rand.
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There have been more than that, but those three are the only ones there is any record/memory of. First age is basically myth at this point, so it would make sense than anything before that is just lost.
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So its your head fan fiction
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>The length of time from one variation of an Age to its next variation is long enough to completely erase all memory and records of the previous Age.
https://wot.fandom.com/wiki/Age
8 months ago
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It's been said multiple times that ages have come and gone infinitely. Samiel talks to Lews Therin about interacting with him in previous ages.
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The wheel turns. There are seven ages, and they go around. Once you hit seven, it turns back to one again.
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It's implied that real history is somehow part of this.
In the museum in Tanchico there's an item that has an aura of extreme ancientness (to Nynaeve, who is sensing this in the dream world when she first sees it), but as described is clearly the hood ornament of Mercedes.
Jordan likes to have these little hints, mostly for amusement rather than because they have any major effect on the story. Some of the ancient tales told by Thom Merrilin seem to be references to the Cold War or the British Empire, for example.
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First Age before Age of Legends is implied to be our current time.
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it's implied that the first age is our RL timeline. there are artifacts from then which include a Mercedes hood ornament.
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Cool, but there's a dragon in every age
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no their isn't, plus the title is champion of light, The Dragon was a special monkier given to Lews
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This. There isn't "a dragon", there's only "the Dragon", which refers to LTT specifically.
The Lews Therin intro is brilliant and one of the best hooks I ever read
The moment that wasn't the first thing I saw is the moment I knew the show would be shit
It seems like everyone is having a lot of sex in the show. Is that how it is in the books too? Rand has already fricked 3 girls. Like all the main characters are confirmed to have already had sex, except maybe Perrin LOL, it sounds like they setting him up to be gay. His wife seemed like a beard.
The three hottest things out there right now are Wheel of Time, the new season of Love is Blind, and some bullshit Manga that just killed off some character that pissed everyone off I guess.
thats because your a tourist we will discuss this train wreck as we will discuss the upcoming rangz train wreck same as we did last year, also we've had wot threads since long before this shitshow was even announced
>The Dragon is the title for the male champion of the Light against the Dark One, and is always the reincarnation of a single particular soul. He is reborn in the Age of Legends and again in the Third Age (and equivalents along the Wheel) to combat the Shadow. It is unknown if he is born again in a similar repeating pattern in other Ages.
that needs to be fixed its wrong, the only reason people call rand the dragon reborn is because everyone remembers The Dragon that broke the world, the Champion before Lews was unknown in the AoL and would've been called something else all together, they had no knowledge of the DO or the Champion or any of that before Lanfear created the bore, just because a wiki says it doesn't mean its right
I wasnt being argumentative but just pointing out information. The wiki link itself mentions there are contradictions. We really only have information about about Ages, 1(barely), 2, 3, but there are a total of 7. The 4th age starts at the end of the series. It is truly unknown what happens in the other Ages.
>The Dragon is the title for the male champion of the Light against the Dark One, and is always the reincarnation of a single particular soul. He is reborn in the Age of Legends and again in the Third Age (and equivalents along the Wheel) to combat the Shadow. It is unknown if he is born again in a similar repeating pattern in other Ages.
https://wot.fandom.com/wiki/Dragon
I wasnt being argumentative but just pointing out information. The wiki link itself mentions there are contradictions. We really only have information about about Ages, 1(barely), 2, 3, but there are a total of 7. The 4th age starts at the end of the series. It is truly unknown what happens in the other Ages.
Calling lews Therin the Dragon Reborn changes nothing about the lore.
Arguments only, please. I'm going to ignore empty calorie responses.
>the age before the AoL is our age
Where did you get that idea? The AoL had technology that could be interpreted as magi-tech. And that tech could be interpreted as stemming from modern day. However, it is not known that the age before is our age. As humans often find similar solutions to similar problems. There are only so many ways to make a care. There are only so many ways to construct a building. Similar sounding technology doesn't necessarily mean our current technology. You're trying to guess at a world that existed before the AoL, and we have no real proof of it.
>and we don't have a fricking dragon
Even if it could be argued that our age is the one that precedes the AoL, not every age *requires* the dragon to be reborn. It could easily be that our age knew of a dragon, but never got one. Or, it could be that our age got a dragon, except he was low-key and didn't do much to make himself noticed. Or, it could be that the AoL learned about the dragon reborn through reading remnants of text left over from the age prior to ours. Who says they only have to look one age back? You are attempting to look two ages back. You don't think they would look two ages back as well?
What's-his-name in the prologue. He tells Lews Therin that they fought the battle a thousand times. A thousand times a thousand. And while he is being a bit dramatic, It's the truth in a sense. He's aware that they two spun out of the wheel in different incarnations, and fought each other time and time again. The legend of a man, who the people named "dragon" being reborn. Well logically, if he's the Dragon, then the previous incarnations would also be called the Dragon.
>Where did you get that idea?
the AoL began with the discovery of the Source, before that it was our age we know this because of stories of the cold war, the uk and of course a FRICKING MERCEDES, you moron look its reall simple I'll let RJ explain
Pam Basham
Regarding the Dragon and the Dragon Reborn (and Graendal's thoughts about Ishamael's musings):
"Is this soul born in any other Age, or only at the advent and (theoretically, of course) the closing of the Third Age, as the Dragon/the Dragon Reborn?"
Robert Jordan
This soul is one of the Heroes, and bound to the Wheel, spun out as the Pattern wills. "It" is born in other Ages, but in a non-Dragon incarnation, to suit the pattern of that Age.
https://www.theoryland.com/intvmain.php?i=86
ok once again in case your selective memory caused you to miss it >This soul is one of the Heroes, and bound to the Wheel, spun out as the Pattern wills. "It" is born in other Ages, but in a non-Dragon incarnation, to suit the pattern of that Age. >"It" is born in other Ages, but in a non-Dragon incarnation, to suit the pattern of that Age. >but in a non-Dragon incarnation, to suit the pattern of that Age. >but in a non-Dragon incarnation >non-Dragon incarnation
now shut the frick up
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Anonymous
>to suit the pattern of that Age >to suit the pattern of that Age >to suit the pattern of that Age >to suit the pattern of that Age
So that implies that the soul comes back as a Dragon when it suits the age. Therefore, a Dragon existed in an age before our age. Why? Because it suited the pattern of that previous age. So like I said, if you're smart enough to look 2 ages back for information, then why do you assume that the people in the story aren't smart enough to do the same? They too would know of this dragon figure who gets reborn periodically.
>What's-his-name in the prologue >What's-his-name
jfc just shut the frick up, you know nothing
lol, triggered. That was bait.
8 months ago
Anonymous
you are a moron, shut the frick up we are using facts as known you are making up headcanon to try for some unknown reason to justify this shit show
8 months ago
Anonymous
There are 7 ages. 1 is theorically our age based on a few stories, 2 is Age of Legends, 3 in main story, 4 is starting at the end. 5, 6, and 7 we no absolutely nothing about...and we dont know anything about any other turnings.
>Where did you get that idea?
From Thom's stories of the first age, which reference people that Jordan confirmed are real world people. Not even going to read the rest of your post.
>He's aware that they two spun out of the wheel in different incarnations, and fought each other time and time again
this, even Birgitte has a similar story about how she is weaved out of the pattern at different times but she never knew she was Birgitte and even went by different names but was always the same hero with a braid, bow and meeting Gaidal Cain. She hears the legends of that time have warped and evolved over time to have her named her as Birgitte. It's only different for her in the books as she says she was ripped from the pattern knowing who she was instead of being spun out to start a life afresh.
8 months ago
Anonymous
>to suit the pattern of that Age >to suit the pattern of that Age >to suit the pattern of that Age >to suit the pattern of that Age
So that implies that the soul comes back as a Dragon when it suits the age. Therefore, a Dragon existed in an age before our age. Why? Because it suited the pattern of that previous age. So like I said, if you're smart enough to look 2 ages back for information, then why do you assume that the people in the story aren't smart enough to do the same? They too would know of this dragon figure who gets reborn periodically.
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lol, triggered. That was bait.
we are not saying he isn't spun out of course he is the name of the Soul is The Champion of Light, during the AoL that soul got the title Dragon stop trying to use mental gymnastics to justify the utter moronation of Lews being called Reborn
8 months ago
Anonymous
>utter moronation of Lews being called Reborn
oh I'm not arguing that point. That would be moronic. Lews was the original dragon and the first to use the name, then caused such a huge calamity in the breaking that the next to be spun out inherited the name as the dragon reborn out of fear of what his past iteration did. That's how I interpreted it at least.
8 months ago
Anonymous
thats right and this started by the idiot anon (you) saying calling LTT reborn isn't lore breaking, it absolutely is
8 months ago
Anonymous
He wasn't the anon saying that it wasn't lore breaking. I am. And I remain unconvinced. You guys have all made great arguments for why the information is technically incorrect. But that doesn't explain how it breaks the lore.
Think about it like this: Does this technical change alter any of the character's motivations? No.
Does this technical change alter any of character's perceptions of one another? Like say, would people be more or less afraid of the dragon reborn because Lews Therin had the same title? No. They would still have the same perception.
So what does this change? Nothing. People would still do exactly what they did in the books. Say exactly what they said in the books. Therefore, this change is by all practical measures: meaningless
8 months ago
Anonymous
because that means the AoL has knowlage of the past ages which completely breaks the lore because if they knew then they knew about the DO and Lanfear woudn't have made the bore, since ya know they knew about it, this completely and irrevicobbly changes the motivations of Lews and Lanfear and everyone else from AoL who are still active in Age 3, so ya its a pretty big fricking deal, just like Egwene healing nye from being burnt out last season is a massive world breaking frick up
8 months ago
Anonymous
>if they knew then they knew about the DO and Lanfear woudn't have made the bore
Why was the Bore made again? This time I'm not trolling. I really forgot.
Wasn't Lanfear just over ambitious?
8 months ago
Anonymous
they discovered another power that was unisex and wanted to access it....turns out that was a bad idea.
8 months ago
Anonymous
yes she found a new source of power that seemed to be at least equal maybe even stronger then the OP, after she drilled the bore to get at it they had the oh shit we dun fricked up realization of what they had done
8 months ago
Anonymous
they discovered another power that was unisex and wanted to access it....turns out that was a bad idea.
oh ok. Well in that case, that still doesn't necessarily change the lore significantly. Because they can know bits a pieces about the past, while forgetting others. A lot of history could be lost in Age 1. Perhaps stories of the Dragon got preserved. But not stories of the Dark One. Maybe they even conflate the coming of the Dragon with the coming of the Dark One. You see that in Age 3. They give most men who claim to be dragon the title of "false dragon", when they're caught and gentled. Because in their minds, the real dragon is the Dark One's own champion, and will threaten to break the whole world again.
Now if Age 1 does know anything about the Dragon. The story might be so degraded over time, that they believe the Dragon *is* the Dark One. Or, they might have forgotten the Dark One entirely. And the Dragon is just a great Champion of vaguely great deeds. The pieces of the Dark One's little hidey-hole forgotten.
8 months ago
Anonymous
see once again massive mental gymnastics that could have been easily avoided by leaving out one single word, not even a line of dialogue just a single word
8 months ago
Anonymous
It's not mental gymnastics. It's just having the basic ability to build context for things that are otherwise lacking context. Anyone with half an imagination should be able to do this with ease. When Lews Therin was simply called the Dragon, it didn't make sense why he was. Because dragons aren't real So using a bit of imagination, we can assume that they conceived of a Dragon in the past. And that concept was then attributed to Lew Therin. However, because we know that Age 1 is "our" age(if you want to call it that), then that informs us that the Dragon is indeed fictional. As we just made it the frick up... Or did we? Perhaps in the age preceding our own, Dragons were real. And that's where we got the legends from. Or maybe even those ancient dragons are just interpretations of real men, symbolized by a serpent, and then the serpent is then symbolized by men.
8 months ago
Anonymous
or just don't call him reborn isn't that so much simpler then all these mental gymnastics? you must be exausted
8 months ago
Anonymous
>you must be exausted
Actually, no. This is as easy to conceive as breathing. It's kind of sad that as much as you committed to memory, you find this all taxing.
8 months ago
Anonymous
I don't watching you jump through a thousand hoops to try and justify this shit made me think you must be getting tired
8 months ago
Anonymous
The most tiring part is your woolheadedness. Not the rationalization. That part is east
8 months ago
Anonymous
but I know what i'm talking about and you don't as you say my knowledge of WoT is encyclopedic, your ability to ignore basic facts and the author himself is kinda fascinating in the way a moron whos learned to draw might be
8 months ago
Anonymous
>woolhead
frick you call me mudfoot? light knows that is our word, fortune prick me if I don't come over there and give you the rough side of my tongue you bloody light blinded grolm mounting son of a motherless goat, blood and bloody ashes but anyone would think you a dark friend!
8 months ago
Anonymous
btw, half of what I said was just extrapolating the actual book lore. Have you never thought about the fact that Dragons aren't real, and yet they have the symbol of a Dragon? Where did they get that idea? Likely they got it from the first age. As we tell stories of Dragons in books. But we got those stories from legends thousands of years ago ourselves. The symbol of the dragon seems to slither back through the ages.
8 months ago
Anonymous
I've thought about that many times and discussed it many many times for well over a decade now, no definitive conclusion has been reached however the simplest explanation is the word and image came from our era age 1, and the word and image stuck around in age 2
8 months ago
Anonymous
Well age 2 only ended roughly 3000 years prior to the events of the book. And the end of the book begins age 4. Therefore, and age is roughly a few thousand years. Legends of dragons are much older than that in real life. And if real life is age 1, then that means dragons existed in the age prior to ours.
8 months ago
Anonymous
maybe or more likely its this
There's no reason to think that dragons were ever real since the cycle of the dragon legend is completed in the series. Aludra creates the legend of dragons by naming her cannons as such. By the time the first age comes around again, the legend of dragons has been distorted into a terrifying fire breathing monster (in theme with the rest of the series). The second age is just future us, so they would remember our legends. A powerful channeler comes forward and starts devasting forces of shadow and the people give him a title that takes after a terrifying monster of legend. Later, a woman invents a terrifying weapon that changes warfare itself and names it after a powerful channeler, etc... you see? Although there's no counting for what happens to the dragon title in the other ages, and it's possible that shit got wacky and real dragons existed, but it isn't necessary for the plot. The cycle (wheel) is complete already based on what the books tell us about myths and legends becoming distorted over time.
also they might be conflated with to'raken over time the stories become myth myth becomes...well you should know the rest
8 months ago
Anonymous
I've thought about that many times and discussed it many many times for well over a decade now, no definitive conclusion has been reached however the simplest explanation is the word and image came from our era age 1, and the word and image stuck around in age 2
lowlander
Are there any dragons (like real dragons (=animals)) in Rand's world? If not where did they get the idea of dragons?
Robert Jordan
There are no animal dragons of any kind in this world. The people speak of a man called the Dragon. They know that the banner that has a certain creature on it was the banner of this man and they have taken to calling this creature the dragon. To them it is a simple association with the name of this man.
from our age, why do you intentionally ignore anything you have no argument for? the word came from age 1
8 months ago
Anonymous
did you just ignore the existence of to'raken?
8 months ago
Anonymous
And are dragons definitely not the same as raken and to'raken?
Robert Jordan
Definitely not. Definitely not.
Harriet McDougal
Oh that's an interesting question.
Question
But, I mean the name [sounds?] the same. . .
Robert Jordan
But no, they're definitely not. They're definitely not.
Harriet McDougal
They're flying creatures.
Question
They're like a dragon image.
Robert Jordan
Yeah, I know they are somewhat of a dragon image. But no, they're definitely not.
Harriet McDougal
Oh, cool. That's a wonderful thing to have noticed. That's great.
Robert Jordan
Although who can say what may be said in the next Age? Remember, things get repeated, things get distorted. And what the next Age believes is true history of a previous Age may not be in any way close to what actually happened. So who knows?
Question
So was . . . In the Age of Legends, a dragon was a completely symbolic thing? It did not refer to an actual creature?
Robert Jordan
Not to an actual creature. But beyond that, read and find out.
Question
Did they have dragons like . . . ?
Robert Jordan
No, it was symbolic at that time. There were no dragons flying around in the Age of Legends, no.
Question
And did they have [inaudible...]
Robert Jordan
They named this man the dragon as a symbol. And his banner was a dragon as a symbol.
Question
[inaudible]
Robert Jordan
No, that . . . I think you better read and find out. Again, I don't know if I'm going to use it, but I don't want to put out too much.
Question
So if you don't use it, after you finish the series, we come back to this question.
Robert Jordan
There's no reason to think that dragons were ever real since the cycle of the dragon legend is completed in the series. Aludra creates the legend of dragons by naming her cannons as such. By the time the first age comes around again, the legend of dragons has been distorted into a terrifying fire breathing monster (in theme with the rest of the series). The second age is just future us, so they would remember our legends. A powerful channeler comes forward and starts devasting forces of shadow and the people give him a title that takes after a terrifying monster of legend. Later, a woman invents a terrifying weapon that changes warfare itself and names it after a powerful channeler, etc... you see? Although there's no counting for what happens to the dragon title in the other ages, and it's possible that shit got wacky and real dragons existed, but it isn't necessary for the plot. The cycle (wheel) is complete already based on what the books tell us about myths and legends becoming distorted over time.
8 months ago
Anonymous
Exactly. And then Lew Therin is the "Dragon Reborn". and it changes nothing about the lore. He could be named after cannons for all we know.
8 months ago
Anonymous
The soul of the champion of light only functions as "The Dragon" during an age where it is necessary. Which as far as we the readers know, is Age 2/3. If no Dragon is required, then the soul is there, but not the Dragon.
8 months ago
Anonymous
shut the frick up [...]
This changes nothing. Man gave Lews Therin the title of Dragon.
>“Betrayer of Hope.” It was a whisper from Lews Therin. Memory stirred, but he turned his head, shying away from it. >“So you do remember some things. Yes, Betrayer of Hope. So have men named me, just as they named you Dragon, but unlike you I embrace the name.
Man can just as easily give people the same time. For example, some characters are so impressed by Birgitte's archery, that they remark how she might very well be Birgitte from legend. The name lingers on man's tongue, and then they give new exceptional people the titles of legends.
There are 7 ages. 1 is theorically our age based on a few stories, 2 is Age of Legends, 3 in main story, 4 is starting at the end. 5, 6, and 7 we no absolutely nothing about...and we dont know anything about any other turnings.
On second thought, The first age may resemble our own, but it could just as well be an age that resembles ours. But not exactly *being* ours. You know, because infinite possibilities and all that.
8 months ago
Anonymous
Dragon not Reborn, the reborn part makes no sense they don't know about the other turnings they don't know about the heroes of the horn, hell before lanfear did a big whoopsy they didn't even know about the DO, just accept it its moronic Rafe is moronic the line is moronic and causes major unnessesay mental gymnastics to try and justify it just like you are doing instead of ya know just calling him The Dragon, they already changed shit by having a >tamirlyn seat
lol that was also Lews except their was no fricking seat, it was the Ring of Tamirlyn given to Lews as the highest ranking Aes Sedai
8 months ago
Anonymous
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we are not saying he isn't spun out of course he is the name of the Soul is The Champion of Light, during the AoL that soul got the title Dragon stop trying to use mental gymnastics to justify the utter moronation of Lews being called Reborn
shut the frick up [...]
Also, why would Lew Therin not embrace a sick-ass name like "Dragon"? Everyone thinks Dragons are cool. Could it be that he was aware that Dragon was a dangerous name?
8 months ago
Anonymous
he did its the Reborn part thats stupid and lore breaking
8 months ago
Anonymous
No, I'm talking about this book quote >“Betrayer of Hope.” It was a whisper from Lews Therin. Memory stirred, but he turned his head, shying away from it. >“So you do remember some things. Yes, Betrayer of Hope. So have men named me, just as they named you Dragon, but unlike you I embrace the name. >They gave me the name to revile me, but I will yet make them kneel and worship it. What will you do with your name? After this day, men will call you Kinslayer. What will you do with that?”
Lew Therin didn't embrace the name Dragon. I find that curious.
8 months ago
Anonymous
their is some odd stuff in the first book where RJ hadn't quite ironed out the lore it is an odd line, we know he was proud a bit vain and most definitely in charge, maybe yea for some reason that particular title out of all his many titles he never really liked, but then we know he fought under his dragon banner so saying he didn't embrace it just doesn't make much sense
8 months ago
Anonymous
Rand goes through a similar thing in his life. At first he fears the name Dragon. And keep in mind that they don't always say "dragon reborn". Rather, they refer to men who claim the titles as "false dragons" or just "dragons" for short. Rand denies the title Dragon. Then eventually he's *forced* to embrace the title, in order to gain the respect of people and unify them against the dark one. He doesn't truly embrace the title. He only sees it as necessary for unification, and pulling off his plan. Using basic skills of narrative literacy, one can assume that Lews Therin had a similarly reluctance to the Title. And only embraced the symbol when he realized it was good for unification. Hence, the banner.
8 months ago
Anonymous
yea thats pretty much my thoughts on the subject too
8 months ago
Anonymous
Maybe he didn't embrace it because he got the title for winning battles and LTT felt just as guilty for every dead warrior as Rand does. He'd find it distasteful to be celebrated for what he sees as failure. There's so much context that, combined with RJ's statement about the soul not being called Dragon in other ages, I find it ridiculous that you continue to suggest otherwise.
8 months ago
Anonymous
Exactly. And let's say for example that Birgitte was reborn properly this age without her memory. She would hear the story of an archer legend from the past. Her past self. And that might even be inspiration for her.
you are a moron, shut the frick up we are using facts as known you are making up headcanon to try for some unknown reason to justify this shit show
I'm using the quote you gave me! I'm using facts!
8 months ago
Anonymous
shut the frick up
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we are not saying he isn't spun out of course he is the name of the Soul is The Champion of Light, during the AoL that soul got the title Dragon stop trying to use mental gymnastics to justify the utter moronation of Lews being called Reborn
Regarding the Dragon and the Dragon Reborn (and Graendal's thoughts about Ishamael's musings):
"Is this soul born in any other Age, or only at the advent and (theoretically, of course) the closing of the Third Age, as the Dragon/the Dragon Reborn?"
Robert Jordan
This soul is one of the Heroes, and bound to the Wheel, spun out as the Pattern wills. "It" is born in other Ages, but in a non-Dragon incarnation, to suit the pattern of that Age.
Exactly, it would also be better than she deserves considering what happened to a lot of them, plus as much of a haughty b***h as she is, seeing her be a coward would be pretty hot. She can make a baby for every person she killed for how ever many hundreds of years she lived.
>putting an aidam round her neck and making her your cum slave
the most appropriate way for a the forsaken to live the remainder of their life
Exactly, it would also be better than she deserves considering what happened to a lot of them, plus as much of a haughty b***h as she is, seeing her be a coward would be pretty hot. She can make a baby for every person she killed for how ever many hundreds of years she lived.
this doesn't work btw guys, sorry to ruin your fantasy, female aes sedai remain fertile until about 80-90, men up to about 300
Probably wouldn't collar and of the other female forsaken, one is a massive cold evil b***h while the other one is actually as smart and manipulative as she says she is, though she is hot. You could collar Graendal for 400 years and never know if she was broken in or not and if you messed up for even a second you'd spend the rest of your life as a sofa for her.
Why does she have stubble on her face
What's the significance of this webm? I saw it spammed in every WoT thread.
i assume it's the gormless look on the girl's face
>Wow she’s literally me
The magic women, the strongest faction on the continent, have just captured the greatest threat in centuries.
They bring him to a bustling metropolis (a different one in the show than the book, but a bit city nonetheless) and this is the quality of ceremonial procession they can put on. Pretty pathetic kek
Surely you can see the dumbass haircuts and remarkable unattractiveness?
Great war against evil was won. The victory parade consists of disinterested middle-aged women drumming a little bit.
>CAM ON INGERLAN
>SCORE SEM FACKIN GOALS
The power to blunder through the story and frick up in new and hilarious ways?
She hasn’t even got the Morgase Milkies to get away with it now
omg I was someone post this earlier, and it's everything!
what power
i don't even remember what elayne does in the entire series
doesn't nynaeve do everything because she's actually competent?
Moraine is the main character
yeah but while she's locked up in the elf rape tower nynaeve has to cure everything and reinvent weaves from a thousand years ago
>Moraine is the main character
Should we tell the showrunners that's not really the case in the books?
reading is racist
That male is too White and gingers are not allowed to be heroes according to Hollyjew.
elayne can tell the function of ter'angreal by touching or studying them. this is considered a "lost" art (no one has been able to do that since before the Breaking)
she ends up making 3 (inferior) copies of Matt's foxhead medallion
>elayne can tell the function of ter'angreal by touching or studying them
No. Avi is the one who can tell the function of ter'angreal, Elayne is the one who figures out how to MAKE them.
The power of invincibility when pregnant
I think Elayne might hold the record of most kidnapped, in the series with the most kidnappings ever. Also the most spanking, Robert Jordan was pretty based.
To be fair she's pretty spankable. I think Faile might have gotten spanked some too, but I can't remember.
Faile spent 3 months getting constantly spanked by the Shaido, she also got tied up naked to a table and put on display. This was done by the same people who also decided Galina wasn't allowed to wear clothes for a few weeks because she'd been misbehaving.
People always bring up Jordan's BDSM fetish, but they often don't notice that he's also a connoisseur of ENF.
That's true, she almost fricking dies when the Shaido drag her naked through a blizzard and she passes out
She basically does nothing and everything goes well for her.
Oh, and she forgets that she overheard talks of an invasion of her capital city and just lets it get ransacked by trollocks.
don't forget the frickup that killed 1/3 of her army
>doesn't nynaeve do everything because she's actually competent?
even the books are moronic with nynaeve, she's meant to be unable to channel unless angry, but being a turbo b***h she can make herself angry at the drop of a hat so it's barely an inconvenience through the whole fricking series
stop making WoT threads, this show needs to die and be forgotten so i can enjoy the comfy books again without the black stain on its legacy
Whatever you're going through, Foundation bookgays have it 1000x worse
Foundation went to shit after sentient planet entered the story
Frick off
They negrified my favorite female character in fiction anon...
At least we can have conversations about the books in these shit threads. Reddit WOT has been slowly taken over by Amazon bots
Not seen the show, and don't ever intend to
Now someone tell me if the Wheel of Time books are worth reading
They go on forever and ever and ever and ever . . . read The Book of the Sun instead so you can have an actual powerful, memorable experience you can complete in decent amount of time.
*Book of the New Sun
Alright then, I'll go for the Book of the New Sun instead
first couple are alright then they just drag on forever with nothing really happening
They are.
If you don’t want to read a copy of LOTR and Dune mashed together for the first couple of books only for things to drag in damsel in distress and journey/political plots in the middle of the series with them culminating in 3 books worth of a ok to moderately good ending don’t bother. I’d only recommend it to people who time on their hands, fantasy genre completionists, and people who want to write.
Why people who want to write? Wouldn't they be better off with better models, or something?
>a copy of LOTR
Anyone who says this has never read WoT and is just regurgitating what they heard someone else say who also never read it. The similarities to LotR are extremely superficial and only last for the first half of book 1 or so.
Do you like reading about women getting spanked? Because Jordan had a fetish he did nothing to disguise.
Jorden wrote about spanking and women's clothing the way GRR Martin writes about food.
The first book is a homage to Tolkien and is rather simplistic in comparison to the ones that follow. The second book kicks things into overdrive by comparison and sets the stage for the rest of the series in terms of complexity with the third and fourth providing somewhat of a stable model for the books going forwards ( specifically really nailing down the character of Rand and all of the political backbiting and intrigue of a world with a Dragon Reborn ). Though I feel pretty much all of the books have a unique character of their own with specific and complex storylines, while also managing to continue to expand the various threads and plotlines from previous books weaving them together with prose that makes it feel like true epic fantasy that rewards your attention and dedication to detail. WoT has some of the best worldbuilding in fiction imo and even the smallest details are remembered and weaved into the story at various points ). Makes for endless re-readability
I know a lot of people say that the middle section of the series can drag, but for me the vast majority of the middle is my favorite part of the series by far. The run of Fires of Heaven, Lords of Chaos, Crown of Swords ( 5-7 ) is just peak fiction for me, and honestly, I don't have much of a bone to pick with any of the books starting with Great Hunt ( 2 ) going all the way up through to Path of Daggers ( 8 ). That's a streak of 7 nearly 1,000 page novels where I find the vast majority of the content to be well written and engaging. Admittedly, some perspectives and storylines were more interesting than others, but so much variety was provided, I think you can very reasonably say that there's something there for everybody
1/2
even winters heart has the best climax since 6, its only CoT that is the real slog
Yeah, totally. I'm not a big fan of the Perrin/Faile storyline but cleansing Saidin is one of my top moments in the series up there with Dumai's Well
I liked the stuff with Perrin and Faile, shame he's like a giant English man and not a giant French or Italian, frankly she needs correction and wants it too.
Yes but she abuses Perrin constantly in order to get him to give her the punishment she knew she deserved. Big lug didn't deserve it and it got old fast since it went on for several books. Same for the constant Baerlon flirting shit and Faile's insecurity about it
That's not all her fault, the whole female part of her family is like power masochists, she just needed a good spanking and dicking. But alas he's British and the British reproduce by budding caused by their hatred of the Irish. You are right that it went on too long.
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TL;DR: Read The Great Hunt if you didn't end up enjoying Eye of the World all that much. If you're at all predisposed to the kind of complex interwoven narrative Jordan refines in the second book, you can't afford to potentially deprive yourself of the experience imo
2/2
>even winters heart has the best climax since 6, its only CoT that is the real slog
Honestly its so frustrating. There are so goddamn many kino's in the fricking books and everytime Rafe walks up to one he just turns around and shoves the dildo in his ass and starts sucking his thumb and casting 50 year old hags.
I HATE HIM SO MUCH.
>The first book is a homage to Tolkien
That's an over simplification. Robert Jordan said in an interview, that he wanted to do a different take on the whole prophesy thing. He said that typically people hear a prophesy and then they all team up to see it through, all agreeable and everything. But he figured that there would be a lot more self interest involved. So he wrote a story where despite the prophesies, people remained self interested. That's why everyone is so stubborn.
Also, he wanted to do a different take on the old wise man coming to a country village and convincing them to go on an adventure and everyone agrees easily. He said that in his experience growing up in the country, the people would be more like to nod and offer to buy a beer, and then when you're distracted, escape through the back of the bar. Basically, they'd be nice to your face, but avoid going along with your crazy stories.
So yeah, he was inspired by LotR. But he was inspired to do a unique take on LotR. He wasn't just copying.
Lords of Chaos is a horrific slog where nothing happens until the very end.
I find that every fresh read of the series feels like a new experience because of how many new connections I make and how that increases my understanding and appreciation for everything else that new detail affects down the line. The real slog I've found hits once you get to Winter's Heart ( 9 ) and continues on into Crossroads of Twilight ( 10 ). Knife of Dreams ( 11 ) was a solid return to form and managed to steer the story back on track after it had been meandering
TL;DR: Read The Great Hunt if you didn't end up enjoying Eye of the World all that much. If you're at all predisposed to the kind of complex interwoven narrative Jordan refines in the second book, you can't afford to potentially deprive yourself of the experience imo
2/2
It starts as a fantasy adventure series and then turns into a harem power fantasy.
it was only good because there weren't any other options back then for men that want harem fantasies.
Today Harem fiction is a huge genre with infinite options.
Do you like being bored? Well I've got the books for you
The first two books are amazing but turn out to be a big setup for nothing. I endured until book #7, and when I realized I was constantly led on yet nothing every pays off I ditched the series. I can't fathom reading it multiple times, it's just painfully bad. Characters, artifacts, and powers get mentioned and used ONCE and then forgotten entirely. Horn of Valere is the perfect example.
Just read Mushoku Tensei instead
>just go read this objectively bad trash because there's an anime of it
Look at the length, detail, and word complexity used by people replying to you. Use that to estimate their general IQ, then compare the assumed IQs of positive and negative opinions
DOMMY MOMMY
>rand pretending he'd rather molegwene over lanfear
the most unrealistic part of this show
Agreed. Casting I can't disagree with.
Holy frick that jaw, I didn't know they were casting the nutcracker.
I don't think you really understand the level of jawgame this shit is on
yeah that is a crazy skull
Imagine the sons she'll make with you
The eggs have already gone bad
oh shit, Woody Harrelson transitioned?
Best acting in the show was his face and hand gesture when she was like “why don’t you trust me” and he is tied to the wheel
So the idea I'm getting is that Wheel of Time is like Zelazny's Amber, except 10x longer and more in keeping with the old fantasy feel.
It's basically messianic fantasy but this time the messiah is also the antichrist who goes literally insane and has to somehow prepare the entire world for armageddon while they'd rather just play petty politics instead.
geez, this is the most accurate synopsis of this series I've ever read.
They share some DNA (in the setting porn and women porn to a lesser degree in Zelanzy) but the setting is leagues apart. Mythological yes, overall no. And Amber had like 10 books didn't it?
>Anyone ready for Amber Diceless Kino's?
SHIEEEEEEEEEET
I don't wish death to the creators and actors, but instead like chronic, messy diarrhea, like the kind you need a shower to get fully clean.
apart from Rosamund who is complicit and deserves horrible things to happen to her, the rest of the actors are just kids who are doing their best with the shit being served to them
Yeah I guess that's fair, well she deserves to have their share of the diarrhea.
yes she does also an outbreak of boils and some kind of serious skin rash wouldn't be undeserved
I wouldn't go that far, severe acne, and really bad poison ivy rash that itches twice as bad as the real thing.
ok well Rafe is still getting the boils
Fair, maybe that thing from Green Mile where it hurts when you pee, and no magical Black to cure it.
gall stones, ok so posion ivy rash and ache for Pike, Boils and gall stones for Rafe and explosive diarrhea all around, glad we've got this sorted
I think Rafe will probably get them anyway, after participating in the next super spreader pride event in the Canary Islands.
do any shows even have white males in them anymore?
The thing that got me interested in the GOT books is that they're actually magic post-post apocalyptic scifi
A SPECIAL POWER!? OH HECK I'M HYPPPPPED
god i hope rand blows up the horny ajah's gay warders holy frick every scene with them is awful and pointless
If anyone gets into the books, I'd really recommend considering maybe taking a break after the part where all those Aiel get turned into salsa, because for the next several books it's mostly mean girls bullshit with like different b***hy women being huge b***hes to each other.
Also since it's been at least a year and these threads are shit anyway, I think if I was going to collar Moghedien, she really deserves it and she'd probably sound really cute spanking her. Plus she's a huge coward and wouldn't find a way to manipulate you unlike the other one.
>siuan skips the entire season
>comes back at the end to unshield moiraine with 14 other aes sedai in a powerful girl moment
strong powerful and brave!!!
she's not shielded she's severed
we shall see
It's not like the people making the show know the difference or remember which one she is supposed to be. If they want an epic girlboss scene where she gets Healed they will have it, they demonstrably don't give a shit about consistency.
my only other thought is that they'll join with rand and he'll do it for some reason but that's even more moronic
>thinking for even a second that this shitshow would let Rand do anything cool or heroic
Lol. They will only take his moments away from him and give them to the girls, no fricking way they'll let him do anything himself.
This is supposed to be the mystery box for the season but no one cares because show gays don't know any better and bookgays know better. Lan can't be bonded if she's severed and lan's still something so.
I dont think she is severed. They used the same animation for the when they shielded Logain. It would make sense she wouldnt realize she was shielded because Ishamel used Saidin...but they have never addressed Saidin in the show. Having Morianne be severed just makes all the problems with the show worse.
It's a stupid mystery box. Even shielded people know they are shielded as apposed to severed, re rand in the box. You can feel Saidar and Saidin before you can ever embrace it (which makes sense). Stupid fricking writing.
Man Rand breaking out of the box was fricking kino.
Honesty, rand gets so many good story beats even in the early books.
>Narg
>Rand and the Whitecloaks in Baerlon
>His power use against the first dark friend
>Rand and Lan Kinos
>branding Kinos
>Matt staff fighting the princes Kinos
>The hunt for the horn Kinos
>Rand being called to flame
>Horn being blown Kinos
>Dream Kinos
>being run thru with staff Kinos
But no, we needed to watch Hags jilling each other off.
My favorite moment will probably be the "Ashammon KILL" part. Especially listening to the audiobook.
>audio books in general
Cringe.
I like the audiobook, I've read and listened to both.
>I've read
You haven't.
Yes, I have. Don't be stupid.
>he tells others not to be stupid
>listens to audiobooks
I already told you I like both, I've read and listened up to like book 8 before the mean girls shit was too much.
You've never read the books. I don't know why you keep pretending you have.
You're trying to hard.
You should try harder and actually read a book.
Mean girls shit? Wtf are you talking about
Around book 8 is when it starts to slow down a lot and half the book is mostly b***h Aei Sedai arguing and tugging on their braids and adjusting their skirts, it drove me a little crazy.
That's my opinion though.
What a brave opinion that no one else shares!
You in a bad mood friend, everything going okay? Wanna talk about it?
>not utilizing drive time to listen to a book
cringe
Me too, Veins of gold, the clensing of the source, His stint as Darth Rand against the Seanchan, Rands fight with Semirhage and the aftermath, Bae firing Graendal, Honestly I would have started the series at the fields or maybe at the fall of tear. Leave the worst of the farmboy origin for flashbacks and go from there. But what do I know.
One of my favorite scenes, even though its super cheesy is when Rand rescues Itrualde, and solos a massive army. "He raised his hand, and they started to die." I love the imagery of that.
Does Rand even have the most PoV chapters? Wheel of Time is much more of an ensemble storyline right?
His POV chapters are kinda light compared to the girls and maybe Perrin.
Probably not from his POV...though he is often shown through someone else's POV. If I had to guess Egwene likely has the most POV chapters, but it could be Mat. There are big stretches where its only Mat
Yeah Egwene gets a bunch, Elayne does as well, I don't actually remember if we ever got any from Aviendha
There is a few from Aviendha but not that many
I found this
https://library.tarvalon.net/index.php?title=List_of_Point_of_View_Characters
It also has a link to switch it to POV for each chapter of every book.
https://wot.fandom.com/wiki/Statistical_analysis
this is probably a better link, it has a series breakdown and Rand has the most with 256 POV chapters
The lady Elayne has a lot of chapters wow! Even though we just got to meet her this season. Why don't Lan and Moiraine have more if they are such main characters?
Thats only chapters from their point of view. They are onscreen a lot, just from another's point of view
They aren't, they're absent for entire books
Mat having less POV than Egwene is a travesty
Indeed it is. A lot can be said about how the show is fricking things up. Love or hate Jordan and his writing but he sets up a very detailed and consistent world. When you do what the show does, and try to cherry pick, change, or outright invent new things, it wont work within the established world. Tackling something like wheel of time was not a good decision, but trying to deviate from the source is an even worse one.
i think they're treating saidin and saidar existing as some sort of big reveal for no fricking reason. like an ancient secret kept by the white tower
rama rama is an aboriginal thing meaning stupid or something. they use it on marketing campaigns to try and convince aboriginals to stop drinking and sniffing petrol
>saidin and saidar existing
Wait, did they backpedal on there not being seperate male and female halves of the power?
like i said, i think they're holding it as a "big reveal"
I jerked off to every scene where Egwene was collared, would have only been hotter if it was a dude controlling her.
the suldam got the lesbian bdsm part of it right with the way she said good girl that's for sure but i don't know how you can even get hard with egwene on the screen
Because Egwene is a brat that needs correction. God we'll never get another author as cultured, the amount of bdsm stuff in WOT was quite a bit, but still tasteful.
Also I've never watched the show and only read the books so Egwene is a hot little brunette in my head and not the creatura she is in the show.
oh in the book, yeah that was good stuff. it was way more lesbo-y
The books do the domination submission thing really well, pretty hot tbh. Jordan had excellent taste. The part with Faile was pretty hot, I wish I had an aggressive tigress sub wife.
the only thing i know about this show are the MEN BROS??? threads
I have seen nothing of the show. why is Nynaeve a nigress and Egwene a pajeeta?
Because the people making it hate the series and everyone who liked it.
Because Shaitan is real and his ~~*servants*~~ are loose in our world already.
My mom starting watching this and loves it lol
Ur mum's a poofter
Will do kek she's a sweet old lady pls no bully
tell your mom shes a homosexual
I take it she's a fossil so blackpill her slowly
she's not dumb, just has terrible taste in media
She's brainwashed if she's enjoying blatant goyslõp like this mines was watching it too but dropped it because of all the brown people thanks to my blackpills
Most women are aware/blackpilled but just don't care about their part in the degradation of society. That's most women though, I've gotten my mom to Boycott target but she still shops at B&N, I'm never going to get her to apply her values universally but I can turn her against the worst offenders
why not give her some of the books for chrimbus
Actually a good idea
Did that for a friend last who learned about the books through the show even though I KNEW Amazon would use those sales as fodder for clickbait articles that the show was helping sales ( never fricking needed help, sold 90 million+ copies prior to the show and was about to head over the 100 million+ line anyways, which is probably why they made the series when they did, so they could claim credit for that milestone )
>which is probably why they made the series when they did, so they could claim credit for that milestone
yeah wouldn't surprise me if they set the air date close to their projections for 100m sold
i'm getting my dad the three body books for christmas this year so he can be a hipster with his old man scifi friends and say he read it before the netflix show came out
Shill threads
Why?
Here's your Egwene Jordan would've cast.
Good taste, very spankable.
fuk dis show. where's my willow season 2. I care more about that hot evil elora
More like where's your Willow season 1 😛
kek
Midgebros...
SEX WITH MIN SEX WITH MIN SEX WITH MIN SEX WITH MIN PLAP PLAP GET PREGNANT! URRRRRRGH!
The best part is she would know if you are going to get her pregnant to give you your best performance
>And she would lie each time and say it was destiny.
Min is cute and sexy, I'd make it her destiny, it's a shame that Rand didn't put 30 in her. Though he did survive so maybe we just didn't get to see it.
lets laugh at WoT 5&6 is finally up btw
kys
coul the idiot making these pay attention to the character names, they clearly have no fricking idea what they are doing, its lazy as frick, i.e contrasting RJ's Fain to the shows one, seems obvious, also wtf is bornhald their?
to make sure everyone knows that the only proper casting is the grand wizard of the Children of Light.
ah ok that actually makes sense, still Rand is properly cast and so was s1 matt, its what they are doing with them thats so fricked
What special power does elayne have?
She can make ter'angreal
sounds like an asspull to find a way to keep the mogged one leashed.
she can make them she can't really understand them thats Avi's thing, so it doesn't make sense anyway
In the books? She figures out how to make ter'angreal. In the show? Who the frick knows, it's not like the people making this shitshow give a frick.
yo ho ho she took a bite of gum gum
She did not. Gumgum is from one piece and Elayne is from wheel of time. Is it possible there's another breaking of the world type event and Odas world is the next age of Randland? Sure, someone could make that argument. The mysterious D, the celestial dragons could all be references to Rand but it's highly unlikely and therefore you are wrong.
I'd give Elayne the mysterious D.
I'm disappointed anon
>But Elayne could suck on my Dee Dee Fruit whenever she wanted.
She can make magic relics
She can also make a reverse version of balefire iirc
> She can also make a reverse version of balefire iirc
Thats the best character in the books (Egwene)
I can't wait to see the next episode and watch Lan cry and get lectured by two homosexualS
I doubt it will stop at lecturing.
I hope they make Lan take part in the homosexual orgy. I want to see the shills squirm trying to defend this shit.
They'll simply say he did in the books when he was a warder for that other aes sedai before egwene found him. That scene is gay orgy coded bro don't be a bigot. RJ would have written it this way if he were alive today.
You mean the scene where he was being brutally and relentlessly raped via compulsion? There's no way anyone on the writing staff A) got that far into the books or B) Would be okay with that. There's just no way they'll say it's okay to rape lan. I refuse anyone except Rigney would do such a thing.
Isn’t this a show for women? Why are we talking about it?
because the books was for men.
because we hate it we really really fricking hate it on a visceral level
>amazons the wheel of time
Correct me if i´m wrong but shouldn´t this show be about Rand, you know, the literal chosen one?
He's white and male, anon. Y'know.. toxic. Entitled. A Disease that must be Abolished. PROBLEMATIC.
You were supposed to outgrow this phase like 5 years ago anon
Why? homosexuals like you haven't changed their tune.
out grow what phase? the one where you pick out homosexuals like you? when would you ever "grow out" of identifying dangerous pedophiliac predators?
They will when you do
>Giga walled Rosamund Pike
>homosexual lesbian shit
>Blacks
Thanks but No Thanks
Who is watching this shit
No one.
plenty of anons judging by the number of threads
its the same handful of turbocucked tourists doing it over and over, and the same 60 people dropping by to tell OP how much of a homosexual he is
Bullshit! We fricking LOVE this show and we demand you make it a success!
the books are talked about more than the show in these threads, for good reason
>EGG WHEN
>LOCAL AREA NETWORK FEAR
>LORRAINE
how can anyone take this show seriously...
I don't and won't watch this show, but shitposting about it is some of the most fun I've ever had on Cinemaphile.
checked and correct. Its a low key way to talk about WoT in /tv and laugh at the absolute state of moronation of modern film making
can someone tell me how season 1 ended? it was so forgettable but i think one of the last things was them stepping into the portal and leaving mat behind
no one here watches the show, we just discuss the books and unite in hatred of nu-hollywoods latest abortion of an adaption
death to rafe judkins.
Has anyone ever watched this?
Not one second.
It's not like they put any nudity in it or anything, either.
My dad watched like 10 minutes of it because he scrolling through Amazon prime and thought it was dog shit, couldn't really articulate why, but he's a mega normie and he could just tell.
>Fippity Bippity
Moiraine the awkward giant who is actually making things worst until she realizes she needs to let go and accept.
>this fricking homosexual cartoonist gets the series better then rafe.
If those Showrunners could read this would really hurt their feelings.
That's the funny thing is that most characters have a special of three, Aviendha's canonly better trained then the aes sedai and her and nynaeve both 'randomly' learn weaves like crazy. Elayne's terangeral thing is actually kind of piddly (useful but Piddly).
you spend a lot of time and effort talking about show you hate and don't watch
Anon, this thread is mostly for the books and discussing which girl is the most spankable or has the best tasting breast milk, you can join in.
I ran out of energy to keep watching last episode. Now I'm just here to talk shit.
You spend an awful lot of time shilling a terrible show.
Poogwene's rama-rama face
Holy frick ahahahahahahaha
God she is so fricking ugly. No amount of makeup or cgi could ever make her appealing. It's like they intentionally picked the ugliest people possible.
she's not ugly
>Calls her "poogwene", an Indian insult
>Calls her face "rama-rama" another Indian insult
>Posts a video of aboriginals
>Calls her the ugliest people possible.
You're trying way to hard to hate. You're just saying anything, whether it makes sense or not. That's childish.
Imagine simping for a girl from such a shit show.
You misunderstand. I called her Poogwene because her skin is the colour of poo, her rama-rama because the Aboriginal music video and I posted the music vid because she's half Aboriginal and it's funny that they had to go out of their way to tell Abos that they shouldn't huff petrol.
Faile is cute, in the books I mean.
Who?
What?
I couldn't even finish the first episode of this gay ass show.
I wonder how many of the Tower's unidentified ter'angreal are actually mastubatory devices.
Mastubatory devices and like Dreamcasts that actually cast you in a dream for a video game? Probably like 90% of them.
The shit the Aes Sedai use for their trials is almost definitely video games.
iirc one of the companion books said that the torture chair the aes sedai use is actually a vr console but since the aes sedai use it incorrectly it only conjures horrific images
Too much to ask for women to be tech literate even in a fictional setting.
Mogs deserves some correction bratty adult!
What special power? She was just a crazy b***h pretty much the entire series. Rand will wind up with three women that nobody else wants. So it's pretty much accurate to how most poly couples actually are.
When you can't find quality, might as well go for quantity.
She rediscovers how to make ter'angreal but no one else manages it so it's her special power
>that nobody else wants
Based moron
Aw shit, I remember that now. She's the go-to source for knock-off dreaming rings after this, isn't she?
Correct.
Is her power sexual in nature? Like it sounds like she has Bi tendencies because she is always ogling women with large chests, and she looks like she would have no problem going down on a woman.
I didn't know there was already a Wheel thread because you didn't tag it right senpai! tbh how excited are you for the new Wheel of Time Season 2 Episode 7 when it drops? I never read the books but I have lots of questions!
How strong is Nynaeve actually? Is she stronger than Rand even? It appears that way because of all the things she has done!
Is Elayne kind of Bi in the books as well? It looks like her and Egwene are getting along really well!
Is Lanfear really stronger than Ismael? We haven't seen her do much so far but they seemed really scared of her!
Can someone explain the "Darkness" in Mat? Is it because of like his gambling addiction?
Is Perrin gay in the books? It seems like they are kind of implying that.
What can Rand actually do as the "Dragon"? So far he really hasn't done anything, he doesn't seem all that tough to be honest.
Where is the city that Moiraine and Rand are at vs like where the Ogre dude and Perrin and that whole crew went? Like how far away are they?
She's is supposed to one of the strongest in the world, Jordan autistically ranked everyone.
Elayne loves the wiener.
No.
BS for the show
No. He likes women.
Break the fricking world, you were supposed to see him single handledly take down a fricking army at the end of season 1, to demonstrate to you what those powers might be like, but they gave it to Egwene instead.
show geography doesn't exist.
Hope that makes sense.
>What can Rand actually do as the "Dragon"? So far he really hasn't done anything, he doesn't seem all that tough to be honest.
the very kino and important prologue from the book which still hasn't been shown is the dragon lews therin channeling enough power to annihilate himself and busting a hole so deep into the earth in the process it forms a massive volcano
we saw a little bit of his potential when he was channeling with logain but that's merely the surface of his power
hopefully next episode rand finally gets to do some shit with the power
>dragon lews therin
You mean the dragon reborn right? There have been many dragons they said.
yeah but the writers are moronic. the soul of the champion of the light has been reborn many times but there is only one dragon
There's a dragon in every age.
no lews therin is the dragon. he's the reincarnation of the champion of light who appears in every age but the dragon is his title alone
Wrong. There's a dragon in every age.
Wrong. There is not. The Dragon is only spun out as the Dragon when a confrontation with the Dark One is necessary (2nd and 3rd Ages). In other Ages, where the Champion is not needed, the Wheel spins the Dragon out as a regular Hero of the Horn, or not at all.
There have only been 3 ages, the first age that we know little about, Lews Therin, and Rand.
There have been more than that, but those three are the only ones there is any record/memory of. First age is basically myth at this point, so it would make sense than anything before that is just lost.
So its your head fan fiction
>The length of time from one variation of an Age to its next variation is long enough to completely erase all memory and records of the previous Age.
https://wot.fandom.com/wiki/Age
It's been said multiple times that ages have come and gone infinitely. Samiel talks to Lews Therin about interacting with him in previous ages.
The wheel turns. There are seven ages, and they go around. Once you hit seven, it turns back to one again.
It's implied that real history is somehow part of this.
In the museum in Tanchico there's an item that has an aura of extreme ancientness (to Nynaeve, who is sensing this in the dream world when she first sees it), but as described is clearly the hood ornament of Mercedes.
Jordan likes to have these little hints, mostly for amusement rather than because they have any major effect on the story. Some of the ancient tales told by Thom Merrilin seem to be references to the Cold War or the British Empire, for example.
First Age before Age of Legends is implied to be our current time.
it's implied that the first age is our RL timeline. there are artifacts from then which include a Mercedes hood ornament.
Cool, but there's a dragon in every age
no their isn't, plus the title is champion of light, The Dragon was a special monkier given to Lews
This. There isn't "a dragon", there's only "the Dragon", which refers to LTT specifically.
The Lews Therin intro is brilliant and one of the best hooks I ever read
The moment that wasn't the first thing I saw is the moment I knew the show would be shit
I smell a shilling rat in this post.
Hey you young Millennial Frick! Why are you fricking doing this?
People watch this homosexual shit? Fricking have a nice day ahahaha have a nice day moron
nice
lmao, autists from this board are the only beings giving a shit about this shitty show.
Is this basically the Forsaken?
graendalchads, we eating good
lalalal
No one cares, no one is watching this, it’s even less popular than RoP(e)
No matter how much you shill this I will never watch it.
It seems like everyone is having a lot of sex in the show. Is that how it is in the books too? Rand has already fricked 3 girls. Like all the main characters are confirmed to have already had sex, except maybe Perrin LOL, it sounds like they setting him up to be gay. His wife seemed like a beard.
Not really...not until at around midway through do characters really start having sex. When they do its mostly heavily implied or off screen.
Hype is for normies. Go back now.
>quoting RLM
ngmi
The three hottest things out there right now are Wheel of Time, the new season of Love is Blind, and some bullshit Manga that just killed off some character that pissed everyone off I guess.
Watched the first season of this show, have zero recollection of it.
have never heard anyone talk about this or lord of the rangs disaster
just leave and save yourself the embarassment
thats because your a tourist we will discuss this train wreck as we will discuss the upcoming rangz train wreck same as we did last year, also we've had wot threads since long before this shitshow was even announced
>tfw no thicc forsaken gf
>The Dragon is the title for the male champion of the Light against the Dark One, and is always the reincarnation of a single particular soul. He is reborn in the Age of Legends and again in the Third Age (and equivalents along the Wheel) to combat the Shadow. It is unknown if he is born again in a similar repeating pattern in other Ages.
https://wot.fandom.com/wiki/Dragon
that needs to be fixed its wrong, the only reason people call rand the dragon reborn is because everyone remembers The Dragon that broke the world, the Champion before Lews was unknown in the AoL and would've been called something else all together, they had no knowledge of the DO or the Champion or any of that before Lanfear created the bore, just because a wiki says it doesn't mean its right
I wasnt being argumentative but just pointing out information. The wiki link itself mentions there are contradictions. We really only have information about about Ages, 1(barely), 2, 3, but there are a total of 7. The 4th age starts at the end of the series. It is truly unknown what happens in the other Ages.
>The Dragon is the title
thats just not true, the wiki is flat out wrong
they probably have people "correcting" the wiki to align with the show
agreed
This made me irrationally angry. I'm going to take a walk
Calling lews Therin the Dragon Reborn changes nothing about the lore.
Arguments only, please. I'm going to ignore empty calorie responses.
it completely changes the lore how could you think otherwise? the age before the AoL is our age and we don't have a fricking dragon
>the age before the AoL is our age
Where did you get that idea? The AoL had technology that could be interpreted as magi-tech. And that tech could be interpreted as stemming from modern day. However, it is not known that the age before is our age. As humans often find similar solutions to similar problems. There are only so many ways to make a care. There are only so many ways to construct a building. Similar sounding technology doesn't necessarily mean our current technology. You're trying to guess at a world that existed before the AoL, and we have no real proof of it.
>and we don't have a fricking dragon
Even if it could be argued that our age is the one that precedes the AoL, not every age *requires* the dragon to be reborn. It could easily be that our age knew of a dragon, but never got one. Or, it could be that our age got a dragon, except he was low-key and didn't do much to make himself noticed. Or, it could be that the AoL learned about the dragon reborn through reading remnants of text left over from the age prior to ours. Who says they only have to look one age back? You are attempting to look two ages back. You don't think they would look two ages back as well?
What's-his-name in the prologue. He tells Lews Therin that they fought the battle a thousand times. A thousand times a thousand. And while he is being a bit dramatic, It's the truth in a sense. He's aware that they two spun out of the wheel in different incarnations, and fought each other time and time again. The legend of a man, who the people named "dragon" being reborn. Well logically, if he's the Dragon, then the previous incarnations would also be called the Dragon.
>Where did you get that idea?
the AoL began with the discovery of the Source, before that it was our age we know this because of stories of the cold war, the uk and of course a FRICKING MERCEDES, you moron look its reall simple I'll let RJ explain
ok once again in case your selective memory caused you to miss it
>This soul is one of the Heroes, and bound to the Wheel, spun out as the Pattern wills. "It" is born in other Ages, but in a non-Dragon incarnation, to suit the pattern of that Age.
>"It" is born in other Ages, but in a non-Dragon incarnation, to suit the pattern of that Age.
>but in a non-Dragon incarnation, to suit the pattern of that Age.
>but in a non-Dragon incarnation
>non-Dragon incarnation
now shut the frick up
>to suit the pattern of that Age
>to suit the pattern of that Age
>to suit the pattern of that Age
>to suit the pattern of that Age
So that implies that the soul comes back as a Dragon when it suits the age. Therefore, a Dragon existed in an age before our age. Why? Because it suited the pattern of that previous age. So like I said, if you're smart enough to look 2 ages back for information, then why do you assume that the people in the story aren't smart enough to do the same? They too would know of this dragon figure who gets reborn periodically.
lol, triggered. That was bait.
you are a moron, shut the frick up we are using facts as known you are making up headcanon to try for some unknown reason to justify this shit show
There are 7 ages. 1 is theorically our age based on a few stories, 2 is Age of Legends, 3 in main story, 4 is starting at the end. 5, 6, and 7 we no absolutely nothing about...and we dont know anything about any other turnings.
>What's-his-name in the prologue
>What's-his-name
jfc just shut the frick up, you know nothing
>Where did you get that idea?
From Thom's stories of the first age, which reference people that Jordan confirmed are real world people. Not even going to read the rest of your post.
>He's aware that they two spun out of the wheel in different incarnations, and fought each other time and time again
this, even Birgitte has a similar story about how she is weaved out of the pattern at different times but she never knew she was Birgitte and even went by different names but was always the same hero with a braid, bow and meeting Gaidal Cain. She hears the legends of that time have warped and evolved over time to have her named her as Birgitte. It's only different for her in the books as she says she was ripped from the pattern knowing who she was instead of being spun out to start a life afresh.
we are not saying he isn't spun out of course he is the name of the Soul is The Champion of Light, during the AoL that soul got the title Dragon stop trying to use mental gymnastics to justify the utter moronation of Lews being called Reborn
>utter moronation of Lews being called Reborn
oh I'm not arguing that point. That would be moronic. Lews was the original dragon and the first to use the name, then caused such a huge calamity in the breaking that the next to be spun out inherited the name as the dragon reborn out of fear of what his past iteration did. That's how I interpreted it at least.
thats right and this started by the idiot anon (you) saying calling LTT reborn isn't lore breaking, it absolutely is
He wasn't the anon saying that it wasn't lore breaking. I am. And I remain unconvinced. You guys have all made great arguments for why the information is technically incorrect. But that doesn't explain how it breaks the lore.
Think about it like this: Does this technical change alter any of the character's motivations? No.
Does this technical change alter any of character's perceptions of one another? Like say, would people be more or less afraid of the dragon reborn because Lews Therin had the same title? No. They would still have the same perception.
So what does this change? Nothing. People would still do exactly what they did in the books. Say exactly what they said in the books. Therefore, this change is by all practical measures: meaningless
because that means the AoL has knowlage of the past ages which completely breaks the lore because if they knew then they knew about the DO and Lanfear woudn't have made the bore, since ya know they knew about it, this completely and irrevicobbly changes the motivations of Lews and Lanfear and everyone else from AoL who are still active in Age 3, so ya its a pretty big fricking deal, just like Egwene healing nye from being burnt out last season is a massive world breaking frick up
>if they knew then they knew about the DO and Lanfear woudn't have made the bore
Why was the Bore made again? This time I'm not trolling. I really forgot.
Wasn't Lanfear just over ambitious?
they discovered another power that was unisex and wanted to access it....turns out that was a bad idea.
yes she found a new source of power that seemed to be at least equal maybe even stronger then the OP, after she drilled the bore to get at it they had the oh shit we dun fricked up realization of what they had done
oh ok. Well in that case, that still doesn't necessarily change the lore significantly. Because they can know bits a pieces about the past, while forgetting others. A lot of history could be lost in Age 1. Perhaps stories of the Dragon got preserved. But not stories of the Dark One. Maybe they even conflate the coming of the Dragon with the coming of the Dark One. You see that in Age 3. They give most men who claim to be dragon the title of "false dragon", when they're caught and gentled. Because in their minds, the real dragon is the Dark One's own champion, and will threaten to break the whole world again.
Now if Age 1 does know anything about the Dragon. The story might be so degraded over time, that they believe the Dragon *is* the Dark One. Or, they might have forgotten the Dark One entirely. And the Dragon is just a great Champion of vaguely great deeds. The pieces of the Dark One's little hidey-hole forgotten.
see once again massive mental gymnastics that could have been easily avoided by leaving out one single word, not even a line of dialogue just a single word
It's not mental gymnastics. It's just having the basic ability to build context for things that are otherwise lacking context. Anyone with half an imagination should be able to do this with ease. When Lews Therin was simply called the Dragon, it didn't make sense why he was. Because dragons aren't real So using a bit of imagination, we can assume that they conceived of a Dragon in the past. And that concept was then attributed to Lew Therin. However, because we know that Age 1 is "our" age(if you want to call it that), then that informs us that the Dragon is indeed fictional. As we just made it the frick up... Or did we? Perhaps in the age preceding our own, Dragons were real. And that's where we got the legends from. Or maybe even those ancient dragons are just interpretations of real men, symbolized by a serpent, and then the serpent is then symbolized by men.
or just don't call him reborn isn't that so much simpler then all these mental gymnastics? you must be exausted
>you must be exausted
Actually, no. This is as easy to conceive as breathing. It's kind of sad that as much as you committed to memory, you find this all taxing.
I don't watching you jump through a thousand hoops to try and justify this shit made me think you must be getting tired
The most tiring part is your woolheadedness. Not the rationalization. That part is east
but I know what i'm talking about and you don't as you say my knowledge of WoT is encyclopedic, your ability to ignore basic facts and the author himself is kinda fascinating in the way a moron whos learned to draw might be
>woolhead
frick you call me mudfoot? light knows that is our word, fortune prick me if I don't come over there and give you the rough side of my tongue you bloody light blinded grolm mounting son of a motherless goat, blood and bloody ashes but anyone would think you a dark friend!
btw, half of what I said was just extrapolating the actual book lore. Have you never thought about the fact that Dragons aren't real, and yet they have the symbol of a Dragon? Where did they get that idea? Likely they got it from the first age. As we tell stories of Dragons in books. But we got those stories from legends thousands of years ago ourselves. The symbol of the dragon seems to slither back through the ages.
I've thought about that many times and discussed it many many times for well over a decade now, no definitive conclusion has been reached however the simplest explanation is the word and image came from our era age 1, and the word and image stuck around in age 2
Well age 2 only ended roughly 3000 years prior to the events of the book. And the end of the book begins age 4. Therefore, and age is roughly a few thousand years. Legends of dragons are much older than that in real life. And if real life is age 1, then that means dragons existed in the age prior to ours.
maybe or more likely its this
also they might be conflated with to'raken over time the stories become myth myth becomes...well you should know the rest
lowlander
Are there any dragons (like real dragons (=animals)) in Rand's world? If not where did they get the idea of dragons?
Robert Jordan
There are no animal dragons of any kind in this world. The people speak of a man called the Dragon. They know that the banner that has a certain creature on it was the banner of this man and they have taken to calling this creature the dragon. To them it is a simple association with the name of this man.
https://www.theoryland.com/intvsresults.php?kwt=%27dragons%27
from our age, why do you intentionally ignore anything you have no argument for? the word came from age 1
did you just ignore the existence of to'raken?
And are dragons definitely not the same as raken and to'raken?
Robert Jordan
Definitely not. Definitely not.
Harriet McDougal
Oh that's an interesting question.
Question
But, I mean the name [sounds?] the same. . .
Robert Jordan
But no, they're definitely not. They're definitely not.
Harriet McDougal
They're flying creatures.
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They're like a dragon image.
Robert Jordan
Yeah, I know they are somewhat of a dragon image. But no, they're definitely not.
Harriet McDougal
Oh, cool. That's a wonderful thing to have noticed. That's great.
Robert Jordan
Although who can say what may be said in the next Age? Remember, things get repeated, things get distorted. And what the next Age believes is true history of a previous Age may not be in any way close to what actually happened. So who knows?
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So was . . . In the Age of Legends, a dragon was a completely symbolic thing? It did not refer to an actual creature?
Robert Jordan
Not to an actual creature. But beyond that, read and find out.
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Did they have dragons like . . . ?
Robert Jordan
No, it was symbolic at that time. There were no dragons flying around in the Age of Legends, no.
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And did they have [inaudible...]
Robert Jordan
They named this man the dragon as a symbol. And his banner was a dragon as a symbol.
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[inaudible]
Robert Jordan
No, that . . . I think you better read and find out. Again, I don't know if I'm going to use it, but I don't want to put out too much.
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So if you don't use it, after you finish the series, we come back to this question.
Robert Jordan
Okay, okay.
https://www.theoryland.com/intvsresults.php?kwt=%27dragons%27
There's no reason to think that dragons were ever real since the cycle of the dragon legend is completed in the series. Aludra creates the legend of dragons by naming her cannons as such. By the time the first age comes around again, the legend of dragons has been distorted into a terrifying fire breathing monster (in theme with the rest of the series). The second age is just future us, so they would remember our legends. A powerful channeler comes forward and starts devasting forces of shadow and the people give him a title that takes after a terrifying monster of legend. Later, a woman invents a terrifying weapon that changes warfare itself and names it after a powerful channeler, etc... you see? Although there's no counting for what happens to the dragon title in the other ages, and it's possible that shit got wacky and real dragons existed, but it isn't necessary for the plot. The cycle (wheel) is complete already based on what the books tell us about myths and legends becoming distorted over time.
Exactly. And then Lew Therin is the "Dragon Reborn". and it changes nothing about the lore. He could be named after cannons for all we know.
The soul of the champion of light only functions as "The Dragon" during an age where it is necessary. Which as far as we the readers know, is Age 2/3. If no Dragon is required, then the soul is there, but not the Dragon.
This changes nothing. Man gave Lews Therin the title of Dragon.
>“Betrayer of Hope.” It was a whisper from Lews Therin. Memory stirred, but he turned his head, shying away from it.
>“So you do remember some things. Yes, Betrayer of Hope. So have men named me, just as they named you Dragon, but unlike you I embrace the name.
Man can just as easily give people the same time. For example, some characters are so impressed by Birgitte's archery, that they remark how she might very well be Birgitte from legend. The name lingers on man's tongue, and then they give new exceptional people the titles of legends.
On second thought, The first age may resemble our own, but it could just as well be an age that resembles ours. But not exactly *being* ours. You know, because infinite possibilities and all that.
Dragon not Reborn, the reborn part makes no sense they don't know about the other turnings they don't know about the heroes of the horn, hell before lanfear did a big whoopsy they didn't even know about the DO, just accept it its moronic Rafe is moronic the line is moronic and causes major unnessesay mental gymnastics to try and justify it just like you are doing instead of ya know just calling him The Dragon, they already changed shit by having a
>tamirlyn seat
lol that was also Lews except their was no fricking seat, it was the Ring of Tamirlyn given to Lews as the highest ranking Aes Sedai
Also, why would Lew Therin not embrace a sick-ass name like "Dragon"? Everyone thinks Dragons are cool. Could it be that he was aware that Dragon was a dangerous name?
he did its the Reborn part thats stupid and lore breaking
No, I'm talking about this book quote
>“Betrayer of Hope.” It was a whisper from Lews Therin. Memory stirred, but he turned his head, shying away from it.
>“So you do remember some things. Yes, Betrayer of Hope. So have men named me, just as they named you Dragon, but unlike you I embrace the name.
>They gave me the name to revile me, but I will yet make them kneel and worship it. What will you do with your name? After this day, men will call you Kinslayer. What will you do with that?”
Lew Therin didn't embrace the name Dragon. I find that curious.
their is some odd stuff in the first book where RJ hadn't quite ironed out the lore it is an odd line, we know he was proud a bit vain and most definitely in charge, maybe yea for some reason that particular title out of all his many titles he never really liked, but then we know he fought under his dragon banner so saying he didn't embrace it just doesn't make much sense
Rand goes through a similar thing in his life. At first he fears the name Dragon. And keep in mind that they don't always say "dragon reborn". Rather, they refer to men who claim the titles as "false dragons" or just "dragons" for short. Rand denies the title Dragon. Then eventually he's *forced* to embrace the title, in order to gain the respect of people and unify them against the dark one. He doesn't truly embrace the title. He only sees it as necessary for unification, and pulling off his plan. Using basic skills of narrative literacy, one can assume that Lews Therin had a similarly reluctance to the Title. And only embraced the symbol when he realized it was good for unification. Hence, the banner.
yea thats pretty much my thoughts on the subject too
Maybe he didn't embrace it because he got the title for winning battles and LTT felt just as guilty for every dead warrior as Rand does. He'd find it distasteful to be celebrated for what he sees as failure. There's so much context that, combined with RJ's statement about the soul not being called Dragon in other ages, I find it ridiculous that you continue to suggest otherwise.
Exactly. And let's say for example that Birgitte was reborn properly this age without her memory. She would hear the story of an archer legend from the past. Her past self. And that might even be inspiration for her.
I'm using the quote you gave me! I'm using facts!
shut the frick up
no-one cares what you do or don't ignore you homosexual, it absolutely changes the lore, try and come up with one argument why it doesn't you moron
Pam Basham
Regarding the Dragon and the Dragon Reborn (and Graendal's thoughts about Ishamael's musings):
"Is this soul born in any other Age, or only at the advent and (theoretically, of course) the closing of the Third Age, as the Dragon/the Dragon Reborn?"
Robert Jordan
This soul is one of the Heroes, and bound to the Wheel, spun out as the Pattern wills. "It" is born in other Ages, but in a non-Dragon incarnation, to suit the pattern of that Age.
https://www.theoryland.com/intvmain.php?i=86
exactly or in other words calling LTT the dragon reborn is fricking stupid and lore breaking
Putting babies in Mogs is the ultimate dream, making babies with that forsaken pussy while she hates your guts.
>putting an aidam round her neck and making her your cum slave
the most appropriate way for a the forsaken to live the remainder of their life
Exactly, it would also be better than she deserves considering what happened to a lot of them, plus as much of a haughty b***h as she is, seeing her be a coward would be pretty hot. She can make a baby for every person she killed for how ever many hundreds of years she lived.
this doesn't work btw guys, sorry to ruin your fantasy, female aes sedai remain fertile until about 80-90, men up to about 300
For you maybe, I'll knock Moggy up for hundreds of years through channeling and force of will.
its just biology, her eggs are dried up sry m8
This anon has a good point
When ever her womb got a little stanky you could just give her back her channeling and sever her back again.
>still her back to womanhood
egg basket refilled, hatchery open
...well shit that might actually work
Now you get it friend, though personally, I wouldn't punish Mogs for talking shit, I'd want her to hate me, but also like it.
Probably wouldn't collar and of the other female forsaken, one is a massive cold evil b***h while the other one is actually as smart and manipulative as she says she is, though she is hot. You could collar Graendal for 400 years and never know if she was broken in or not and if you messed up for even a second you'd spend the rest of your life as a sofa for her.
I need to commission some BDSM art of Moggy getting spanked or something.