That's really bad because then it isn't really a movie. It's like those anime where they combine episodes to make into a movie or vice versa and you can tell it wasn't intended to be seen as a movie or tv series with how it was presented.
yeah. Miguel was basically white guy in the comics. i guess that's why people brush him under the rug and talk as if Miles were the first minority Spider-Man.
yeah. Miguel was basically white guy in the comics. i guess that's why people brush him under the rug and talk as if Miles were the first minority Spider-Man.
Yeah the guy with a mother named Conchatta who wore a day of the dead outfit for a costume and came froma. future where a bunch of people have mixed ethnicity was a WASP.
Sorry to say, but the Irish part gets knocked on the head later in the original run.
Can't speak for the Miguel from Exiles, Time Storm or Spider-Verse, but original 2099 Miguel was the son of Alchemax CEO Tyler Stone
I can't believe they managed to extend the concept of the multiverse past No Way Home as it is. I haven't watched any of Tom Holland or either of these movies. I just know they should have stopped while they were ahead.
>SAVING YOUR DAD IS NOT IN MY CANON!!
Are we really going there? I'll give you a piece of mind about what's canon to Spider-Man or not.
What do you think it says about your precious "multiverse" that Miguel and company weren't included in the first one? What does it say about Tom Holland's movie that the Spider-Council weren't in his, just Maguire and Garfield? See, I don't even have to watch your movies. I can sum up their core values based on anecdotes: Just. Make. Money. You're selling out a quasi-religious idea with massive parabolic ramifications. What's more you are using Spider-Man's brand as an instrument for this vile commodification. Remember when Google actually let you find something you searched for and when Youtube didn't have ads every second? Doesn't it make you seethe inwardly that these sacrosanct facilities have been so denigrated to the point they are of no value to the current generation?
No? Well I do. And the same thing is happening to Spider-Man mythos.
What do you think it says about your precious "multiverse" that Miguel and company weren't included in the first one? What does it say about Tom Holland's movie that the Spider-Council weren't in his, just Maguire and Garfield? See, I don't even have to watch your movies. I can sum up their core values based on anecdotes: Just. Make. Money. You're selling out a quasi-religious idea with massive parabolic ramifications. What's more you are using Spider-Man's brand as an instrument for this vile commodification. Remember when Google actually let you find something you searched for and when Youtube didn't have ads every second? Doesn't it make you seethe inwardly that these sacrosanct facilities have been so denigrated to the point they are of no value to the current generation?
No? Well I do. And the same thing is happening to Spider-Man mythos.
I really fricking hate the multiverse. It's so boring and I utterly despise the fact that it's the big new thing in Hollywood because it's the perfect fit for the soulless, merchandising, media-as-religion beast that industry has become.
All a multiverse story ever amounts to is a quirky new world or shit ton of characters and brand new OCs showing up for 2 minutes each and that's it, and the audience is meant to point and clap at the ones they recognise. Nothing sticks around, nothing has any impact because it's all just about empty fricking spectacle. At least the Spider-Verse films has their whole art style gimmick with each new universe, but that's still exhausting in its own way. I don't even know how the MCU is planning to try and make their multiverse interesting or exciting other than cameos. And the common multiverse we get in something like Dr Strange 2, The Flash, or EEAAO is just tiring ADHD-driven bullshit that's almost entirely on you liking other, better films more than the one you're currently watching.
It's such a creatively bankrupt idea, yet it's masquerading as something with unlimited potential, and that apparently fools 90% of the general audience. It's never been interesting, not even in the comics. Crisis on Infinite Earths is boring schlock with one good moment and way too many characters. Multiversity has only two good issues. Flashpoint and Slott's Spider-Verse both suck majorly in their own hacky ways. I hate all this talk about universes, timelines, variants, fixed fricking canon events or finite curves or whatever the frick technobabble these unimaginative reddit-tier writers push out. There is no weight to any of it. The hero travels the multiverse and is back in time for tea with no impact on them or their world whatsoever. I wish I could go back to 1961 and slap Gardner Fox round the head before he ever wrote Flash of Two Worlds. I'd go back and slap Hugh Everett III too, but I don't want to end up losing Eels.
End rant.
this is like the fifth MCU project where "the multiverse is falling apart" and they make it out like one more thing will tip the balance but clearly not bc of 10 seperate people in the MCU alone, Miles in this, and whatever other bullshit they decide to rope in to a "multiverse in danger" that only ever -somehow- pops out perfect versions of characters we all love
Just watch something you enjoy instead of harping about things you don't like being popular. If you're as correct as you think you are, you'll be justified when the bubble bursts. If you're wrong, at least you'll be happier in the meantime.
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Just watch something you enjoy instead of harping about things you don't like being popular. If you're as correct as you think you are, you'll be justified when the bubble bursts. If you're wrong, at least you'll be happier in the meantime.
>stop hating a movie that tear down fan-favourites to prop up the poochie, and the writers already admitted as much
No, snoy shill, I don’t think we will.
I really fricking hate the multiverse. It's so boring and I utterly despise the fact that it's the big new thing in Hollywood because it's the perfect fit for the soulless, merchandising, media-as-religion beast that industry has become.
All a multiverse story ever amounts to is a quirky new world or shit ton of characters and brand new OCs showing up for 2 minutes each and that's it, and the audience is meant to point and clap at the ones they recognise. Nothing sticks around, nothing has any impact because it's all just about empty fricking spectacle. At least the Spider-Verse films has their whole art style gimmick with each new universe, but that's still exhausting in its own way. I don't even know how the MCU is planning to try and make their multiverse interesting or exciting other than cameos. And the common multiverse we get in something like Dr Strange 2, The Flash, or EEAAO is just tiring ADHD-driven bullshit that's almost entirely on you liking other, better films more than the one you're currently watching.
It's such a creatively bankrupt idea, yet it's masquerading as something with unlimited potential, and that apparently fools 90% of the general audience. It's never been interesting, not even in the comics. Crisis on Infinite Earths is boring schlock with one good moment and way too many characters. Multiversity has only two good issues. Flashpoint and Slott's Spider-Verse both suck majorly in their own hacky ways. I hate all this talk about universes, timelines, variants, fixed fricking canon events or finite curves or whatever the frick technobabble these unimaginative reddit-tier writers push out. There is no weight to any of it. The hero travels the multiverse and is back in time for tea with no impact on them or their world whatsoever. I wish I could go back to 1961 and slap Gardner Fox round the head before he ever wrote Flash of Two Worlds. I'd go back and slap Hugh Everett III too, but I don't want to end up losing Eels.
I respect them going for on strike for better pay and bans against AI scripts, but I also hate it because the vast majority of American TV & film writers working right now almost certainly don't deserve any more money or protection for the absolute shit they write. There aren't any more new William Goldmans, or Terry Rossios & Ted Elliots. There aren't even any new Tarantinos or Sorkins. The 2008 strike resulted in the modern standard we have today that results in the likes of every cheap, pandering network show or mindnumbing CGI-fest the Mouse shits out, so I can't fricking wait to see what brave new world this strike results in.
I really wish they would at least use this to make movies centered entirely on a single universe, but different from what the masses are used to, like maybe a Spider-Noir movie or something like that, but I doubt itll happen...
See, I like the multiverse if it's in a What If or Elseworlds sense. There's been plenty of decent, good stories and alternate realities that have come from that set-up. The problem with the multiverse of today is like you said, that they don't have any focus on one singular universe or 'what-if' concept. They sprawl, lose focus on any world or character, and just throw cameos, powerwank, and super special diverse OCs at the screen in the hopes it works (which it always does). Even the Disney+ What If show, not that it was anything special in the first place, ended up doing a lame overarching plot spanning multiverses and all these ebin variants, instead of just being a simple anthology series like the original comic.
I really wish they would at least use this to make movies centered entirely on a single universe, but different from what the masses are used to, like maybe a Spider-Noir movie or something like that, but I doubt itll happen...
>because it's the perfect fit for the soulless, merchandising, media-as-religion beast that industry has become.
This is exactly why I don't like Tolkien and Lovecraft and anyone else who does the "unreliable narrator" shit schtick. >I hate all this talk about universes, timelines, variants, fixed fricking canon events or finite curves or whatever the frick technobabble these unimaginative reddit-tier writers push out.
The reason you hate it may be because they all seem derivative of one single source/explanation. Probably Grant's The Flash. If they attempted to do it en media res or come up with a multiverse story that tells the story backwards, it could be refreshing.
Like hell we will ever see it in Neo-Marvel though. Nevermind DC. Gunn is a hack.
>This is exactly why I don't like Tolkien and Lovecraft and anyone else who does the "unreliable narrator" shit schtick.
Huh? I don't see how this relates to Hollywood being a soulless, money-making hellhole. >The reason you hate it may be because they all seem derivative of one single source/explanation.
Good point. Most of these stories tend to revolve around the same tropes, told and used in the same way each time. How many different 'Councils of [Character X]' are there now? How often have we seen stories about universes in danger of collapsing because of something being in the wrong world?
this is like the fifth MCU project where "the multiverse is falling apart" and they make it out like one more thing will tip the balance but clearly not bc of 10 seperate people in the MCU alone, Miles in this, and whatever other bullshit they decide to rope in to a "multiverse in danger" that only ever -somehow- pops out perfect versions of characters we all love
That's actually whats keeping me from watching this movie or the first one. I'll take people's words for it that they're good, but I'm sick of multiverse stories for the time being. Maybe I'll watch these movies a few years down the road, but for now I have no interest
It's really just a long single movie. Think of it like a TV miniseries if it makes you fee better
A two hour long movie is already a single movie. I don't care if it has a "Part 1" appended to it's title.
That's really bad because then it isn't really a movie. It's like those anime where they combine episodes to make into a movie or vice versa and you can tell it wasn't intended to be seen as a movie or tv series with how it was presented.
I want to have his children
Wasn't Miguel white?
yeah. Miguel was basically white guy in the comics. i guess that's why people brush him under the rug and talk as if Miles were the first minority Spider-Man.
One drop rule
Yeah the guy with a mother named Conchatta who wore a day of the dead outfit for a costume and came froma. future where a bunch of people have mixed ethnicity was a WASP.
Your point?
Mexican Irish so 100% Catholic alcoholic
He's atheist.
Sorry to say, but the Irish part gets knocked on the head later in the original run.
Can't speak for the Miguel from Exiles, Time Storm or Spider-Verse, but original 2099 Miguel was the son of Alchemax CEO Tyler Stone
He was castizo now he looks more native
I can't believe they managed to extend the concept of the multiverse past No Way Home as it is. I haven't watched any of Tom Holland or either of these movies. I just know they should have stopped while they were ahead.
>SAVING YOUR DAD IS NOT IN MY CANON!!
Are we really going there? I'll give you a piece of mind about what's canon to Spider-Man or not.
>I'm not watching these movies but I am invested and angry about them.
Why tho? You just get pissed based on second hand information?
What do you think it says about your precious "multiverse" that Miguel and company weren't included in the first one? What does it say about Tom Holland's movie that the Spider-Council weren't in his, just Maguire and Garfield? See, I don't even have to watch your movies. I can sum up their core values based on anecdotes: Just. Make. Money. You're selling out a quasi-religious idea with massive parabolic ramifications. What's more you are using Spider-Man's brand as an instrument for this vile commodification. Remember when Google actually let you find something you searched for and when Youtube didn't have ads every second? Doesn't it make you seethe inwardly that these sacrosanct facilities have been so denigrated to the point they are of no value to the current generation?
No? Well I do. And the same thing is happening to Spider-Man mythos.
You are genuinely part of the problem if you hold the Spider-man mythos as sacred.
Just watch something you enjoy instead of harping about things you don't like being popular. If you're as correct as you think you are, you'll be justified when the bubble bursts. If you're wrong, at least you'll be happier in the meantime.
this kills the nerd
>stop hating a movie that tear down fan-favourites to prop up the poochie, and the writers already admitted as much
No, snoy shill, I don’t think we will.
I can avoid something while still disliking its prevalence in mainstream media and the most heavily marketed and discussed blockbusters
What do I do when the shit I hate is taking over the things I used to enjoy?
It looks good, the action is great, its funny, I dont care about the multiverse shit I just want them to continue doing this specifically
This, I am sick and tired of Le Funny Cartoon in Pixar/Disney Stock Design.
Exactly, I was always a big pixar cuck and Im NOT seeing Elementals, Im fully embracing this new era of stylization
Why is miguel brown in that movie, isnt he supposed to be white with brown/red hair?
Artistic liberties + Alternate universe variant.
>White with red hair
Not in modern Hollywood
whos got a link to watch?
I really fricking hate the multiverse. It's so boring and I utterly despise the fact that it's the big new thing in Hollywood because it's the perfect fit for the soulless, merchandising, media-as-religion beast that industry has become.
All a multiverse story ever amounts to is a quirky new world or shit ton of characters and brand new OCs showing up for 2 minutes each and that's it, and the audience is meant to point and clap at the ones they recognise. Nothing sticks around, nothing has any impact because it's all just about empty fricking spectacle. At least the Spider-Verse films has their whole art style gimmick with each new universe, but that's still exhausting in its own way. I don't even know how the MCU is planning to try and make their multiverse interesting or exciting other than cameos. And the common multiverse we get in something like Dr Strange 2, The Flash, or EEAAO is just tiring ADHD-driven bullshit that's almost entirely on you liking other, better films more than the one you're currently watching.
It's such a creatively bankrupt idea, yet it's masquerading as something with unlimited potential, and that apparently fools 90% of the general audience. It's never been interesting, not even in the comics. Crisis on Infinite Earths is boring schlock with one good moment and way too many characters. Multiversity has only two good issues. Flashpoint and Slott's Spider-Verse both suck majorly in their own hacky ways. I hate all this talk about universes, timelines, variants, fixed fricking canon events or finite curves or whatever the frick technobabble these unimaginative reddit-tier writers push out. There is no weight to any of it. The hero travels the multiverse and is back in time for tea with no impact on them or their world whatsoever. I wish I could go back to 1961 and slap Gardner Fox round the head before he ever wrote Flash of Two Worlds. I'd go back and slap Hugh Everett III too, but I don't want to end up losing Eels.
End rant.
thoughts on the writers strike? kek
I respect them going for on strike for better pay and bans against AI scripts, but I also hate it because the vast majority of American TV & film writers working right now almost certainly don't deserve any more money or protection for the absolute shit they write. There aren't any more new William Goldmans, or Terry Rossios & Ted Elliots. There aren't even any new Tarantinos or Sorkins. The 2008 strike resulted in the modern standard we have today that results in the likes of every cheap, pandering network show or mindnumbing CGI-fest the Mouse shits out, so I can't fricking wait to see what brave new world this strike results in.
See, I like the multiverse if it's in a What If or Elseworlds sense. There's been plenty of decent, good stories and alternate realities that have come from that set-up. The problem with the multiverse of today is like you said, that they don't have any focus on one singular universe or 'what-if' concept. They sprawl, lose focus on any world or character, and just throw cameos, powerwank, and super special diverse OCs at the screen in the hopes it works (which it always does). Even the Disney+ What If show, not that it was anything special in the first place, ended up doing a lame overarching plot spanning multiverses and all these ebin variants, instead of just being a simple anthology series like the original comic.
I really wish they would at least use this to make movies centered entirely on a single universe, but different from what the masses are used to, like maybe a Spider-Noir movie or something like that, but I doubt itll happen...
>because it's the perfect fit for the soulless, merchandising, media-as-religion beast that industry has become.
This is exactly why I don't like Tolkien and Lovecraft and anyone else who does the "unreliable narrator" shit schtick.
>I hate all this talk about universes, timelines, variants, fixed fricking canon events or finite curves or whatever the frick technobabble these unimaginative reddit-tier writers push out.
The reason you hate it may be because they all seem derivative of one single source/explanation. Probably Grant's The Flash. If they attempted to do it en media res or come up with a multiverse story that tells the story backwards, it could be refreshing.
Like hell we will ever see it in Neo-Marvel though. Nevermind DC. Gunn is a hack.
>This is exactly why I don't like Tolkien and Lovecraft and anyone else who does the "unreliable narrator" shit schtick.
Huh? I don't see how this relates to Hollywood being a soulless, money-making hellhole.
>The reason you hate it may be because they all seem derivative of one single source/explanation.
Good point. Most of these stories tend to revolve around the same tropes, told and used in the same way each time. How many different 'Councils of [Character X]' are there now? How often have we seen stories about universes in danger of collapsing because of something being in the wrong world?
this is like the fifth MCU project where "the multiverse is falling apart" and they make it out like one more thing will tip the balance but clearly not bc of 10 seperate people in the MCU alone, Miles in this, and whatever other bullshit they decide to rope in to a "multiverse in danger" that only ever -somehow- pops out perfect versions of characters we all love
I can't wait for their version of Secret Wars to be about the multiverse falling apart
That's actually whats keeping me from watching this movie or the first one. I'll take people's words for it that they're good, but I'm sick of multiverse stories for the time being. Maybe I'll watch these movies a few years down the road, but for now I have no interest
Real talk though I don't feel like that super interested in the Spider multiverse and frankly surprised at how many people are.