He sacrificed the only other V2 Core Fighter the League had to suicide bomb it into a giant wheel that wasn't slowed down by the explosion. All he did here was help Zanscare, so yes. It was monumentally stupid.
Not really, they really needed the giant wheel to stop and nothing was working, hoping that the explosion on the tread would stop it was a miscalculation, but not an outlandish thing to think in the heat of moment when desperate.
>Something trivial >An unprecedentedly powerful super weapon in the hands of a faction with no qualms with massacring the people to earth headed there to do so
Ah so it's a "This is bad because I can only comprehend 30% of the robot cartoons I watch" thread.
>as demonstrated
You demonstrated nothing, speed watcher. Acting as a human pebble in a spaceship's metaphorical shoe (ejecting? whats that?) Is not worth an ace pilot nor his hardware.
8 months ago
Anonymous
no, that death could totally have been avoided?
Ejecting would entail either not guaranteeing that the fighter actually hit the wheel, or doing it so close that he would likely just end up hitting the wheel or getting caught in the explosion after ejecting anyways. Likewise - humans aren't perfect rational optimizers. Making only perfectly rational choices, especially in moments of high adrenaline and stress, makes characters unrealistic. Focusing in on the threat and doing whatever you can think of at the moment to deal with it, even at the cost of your life makes sense in the context. Whether or not it was the best possible choice one could make isn't a factor in determining believability.
8 months ago
Anonymous
you miss the point entirely
>Acting as a human pebble in a spaceship's metaphorical shoe (ejecting? whats that?) Is not worth an ace pilot nor his hardware.
Also, this is dishonest, the attempt was to fully stop a super weapon that certainly costs way more than a small core fighter, and one pilot's life to save anywhere up to millions of civilians given the destructive potential of the machine.
>the attempt was to fully stop a super weapon
no it wasn't, if you want to destroy the whole thing you would ram the bridge or something not the wheel
8 months ago
Anonymous
>you miss the point entirely
No, I'm just thinking this through and not using a faulty metric to judge the scene by.
>if you want to destroy the whole thing you would ram the bridge or something not the wheel
I said fully stop, not destroy. Disabling the wheel makes it immobile.
I guess someone like Uso would have just, you know, cut the thing in half but yea
Yeah, that would have been a better plan, but it was a spontaneous response to a threat by an individual panicking about the threat, not a battle plan they thought up of ahead of time.
8 months ago
Anonymous
>Yeah, that would have been a better plan, but it was a spontaneous response to a threat by an individual panicking about the threat, not a battle plan they thought up of ahead of time.
^_^;
can you guys do another Gundam safety thread?
8 months ago
Anonymous
I guess someone like Uso would have just, you know, cut the thing in half but yea
8 months ago
Anonymous
>Acting as a human pebble in a spaceship's metaphorical shoe (ejecting? whats that?) Is not worth an ace pilot nor his hardware.
Also, this is dishonest, the attempt was to fully stop a super weapon that certainly costs way more than a small core fighter, and one pilot's life to save anywhere up to millions of civilians given the destructive potential of the machine.
8 months ago
Anonymous
Maybe if Oliver wanted to stop the superweapon he should've attacked somewhere other than the most armored part of it
8 months ago
Anonymous
Already defeated this line of argumentation here.
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Ejecting would entail either not guaranteeing that the fighter actually hit the wheel, or doing it so close that he would likely just end up hitting the wheel or getting caught in the explosion after ejecting anyways. Likewise - humans aren't perfect rational optimizers. Making only perfectly rational choices, especially in moments of high adrenaline and stress, makes characters unrealistic. Focusing in on the threat and doing whatever you can think of at the moment to deal with it, even at the cost of your life makes sense in the context. Whether or not it was the best possible choice one could make isn't a factor in determining believability.
8 months ago
Anonymous
Oh it wasn't an argument, it was an insult. Oliver sacrificed himself pointlessly, widowing Marbet and their child, reducing the League's overall fighting strength, for ultimately zero payoff. Victory loves to kill random side characters in a cruel fashion, but Oliver's death was entirely his own damn fault.
>from my perspective as a reader this action is irrational and they shouldn't do it... which makes the writing bad because they did do it, because they have the exact same perspective I do
damn I'm just gonna remember your post anytime someone critiques Tomino's writing so I remember what you're actually trying to say lmfao
Why are so many viewers like that these days? Everyone's going off more on relateability then every before but we got so many morons thinking they're super genre savvy but refuse to actually watch things int he context of the characters.
The V2 really wasn't that strong with Usso's quick thinking, even then it's just on par with Zanscare's high end suits with Usso at the wheels. The reality is the V2 wasn't that important by itself, getting one into Usso's hands was.
V is full of those. >Is that a bomb? Let me just get out of my MS to deactivate it manually, despite having no experience handling explosives and making things worse in the process.
>why wasn't the bridge their first target?
Because more than a few warships in Gundam tend to have secondary bridges, meaning that even if the bridge was destroyed it might only stop it temporarily. Even in Victory we see ships get their bridges destroyed and keep moving. If he'd managed to destroy the wheel with his suicide attack, then he would have at least disabled one of its primary methods of propulsion and kept it from being sent down to Earth for the operation.
This is bullshit and you know it. The vast majority of ships in Gundam have stores of explosives all throughout the ship that are triggered seconds after the bridge is hit. I can only count perhaps two or three cases throughout the entire franchise where the bridge is totally destroyed, and the ship doesn't immediately go up in flames after.
Which is unfortunate, because on a real ship the true nerve center of the ship is the CIC, which is closer to the center of the ship behind a shitload of armor. The bridge is there for visually commanding the ship, but you can do just as well while being nowhere near as vulnerable by issuing commands from the CIC.
tbf he acted out of desperation. Most of Victory cast acted out of desperation.
Mubarak using his ship as a spear tip to strike deep into the Zanscare line and eventually performing a kamikaze strike at the Angel Halo.
Gym who is a coward in the most of the episode decided to man up and sacrifice himself with the rest of the crew of Reinforce.Jr to stop the Motorad Fleet.
That Javelin ms pilot attacking the Motorad fleet alone and so on.
>Gym who is a coward in the most of the episode decided to man up and sacrifice himself
He's alive.
He was talking about the fake one that was on the Reinforce Jr, not Uso's dad.
Uso dad name was Hangelg Ewin, the real leader of LM. Gym is just the stand in.
His name was Jinn, dummies. Gym is this motherfricker.
tbf he acted out of desperation. Most of Victory cast acted out of desperation.
Mubarak using his ship as a spear tip to strike deep into the Zanscare line and eventually performing a kamikaze strike at the Angel Halo.
Gym who is a coward in the most of the episode decided to man up and sacrifice himself with the rest of the crew of Reinforce.Jr to stop the Motorad Fleet.
That Javelin ms pilot attacking the Motorad fleet alone and so on.
No
He sacrificed the only other V2 Core Fighter the League had to suicide bomb it into a giant wheel that wasn't slowed down by the explosion. All he did here was help Zanscare, so yes. It was monumentally stupid.
Not really, they really needed the giant wheel to stop and nothing was working, hoping that the explosion on the tread would stop it was a miscalculation, but not an outlandish thing to think in the heat of moment when desperate.
Even the Zanscare ship crew had no idea if their tire would survive or not. They were all freaking out on the bridge.
>Kill off one of the most important crew members for a chance at stopping something trivial
It's just bad writing
>Something trivial
>An unprecedentedly powerful super weapon in the hands of a faction with no qualms with massacring the people to earth headed there to do so
Ah so it's a "This is bad because I can only comprehend 30% of the robot cartoons I watch" thread.
You can like a show without defending everything tooth and nail about it you fanboy
There are plenty of legitimate criticisms of Victory, this just isn't one of them, as demonstrated.
>as demonstrated
You demonstrated nothing, speed watcher. Acting as a human pebble in a spaceship's metaphorical shoe (ejecting? whats that?) Is not worth an ace pilot nor his hardware.
Ejecting would entail either not guaranteeing that the fighter actually hit the wheel, or doing it so close that he would likely just end up hitting the wheel or getting caught in the explosion after ejecting anyways. Likewise - humans aren't perfect rational optimizers. Making only perfectly rational choices, especially in moments of high adrenaline and stress, makes characters unrealistic. Focusing in on the threat and doing whatever you can think of at the moment to deal with it, even at the cost of your life makes sense in the context. Whether or not it was the best possible choice one could make isn't a factor in determining believability.
you miss the point entirely
>the attempt was to fully stop a super weapon
no it wasn't, if you want to destroy the whole thing you would ram the bridge or something not the wheel
>you miss the point entirely
No, I'm just thinking this through and not using a faulty metric to judge the scene by.
>if you want to destroy the whole thing you would ram the bridge or something not the wheel
I said fully stop, not destroy. Disabling the wheel makes it immobile.
Yeah, that would have been a better plan, but it was a spontaneous response to a threat by an individual panicking about the threat, not a battle plan they thought up of ahead of time.
>Yeah, that would have been a better plan, but it was a spontaneous response to a threat by an individual panicking about the threat, not a battle plan they thought up of ahead of time.
^_^;
can you guys do another Gundam safety thread?
I guess someone like Uso would have just, you know, cut the thing in half but yea
>Acting as a human pebble in a spaceship's metaphorical shoe (ejecting? whats that?) Is not worth an ace pilot nor his hardware.
Also, this is dishonest, the attempt was to fully stop a super weapon that certainly costs way more than a small core fighter, and one pilot's life to save anywhere up to millions of civilians given the destructive potential of the machine.
Maybe if Oliver wanted to stop the superweapon he should've attacked somewhere other than the most armored part of it
Already defeated this line of argumentation here.
Oh it wasn't an argument, it was an insult. Oliver sacrificed himself pointlessly, widowing Marbet and their child, reducing the League's overall fighting strength, for ultimately zero payoff. Victory loves to kill random side characters in a cruel fashion, but Oliver's death was entirely his own damn fault.
no, that death could totally have been avoided?
>giant battleships crushing entire cities flat
>something trivial
Buddy.
It was never implied he was trying to take the entire ship with him, he just kamikaze'd the wheel.
>from my perspective as a reader this action is irrational and they shouldn't do it... which makes the writing bad because they did do it, because they have the exact same perspective I do
damn I'm just gonna remember your post anytime someone critiques Tomino's writing so I remember what you're actually trying to say lmfao
Why are so many viewers like that these days? Everyone's going off more on relateability then every before but we got so many morons thinking they're super genre savvy but refuse to actually watch things int he context of the characters.
moron
>yeets one of the two V2 core fighters into the ship
>dies
>achieves absolutely nothing
this was so goddamn bleak it's hilarious. I love it.
Imagine risking your life after marrying your chocolate wife and making whipped cream babies together. Preposterous!
Uso was the one who deserved to make Marbet a mother, not him. He reaped what he sowed.
aren't like half the deaths in this show moronic suicides?
No, your thinking of Chronicle's
The V2 really wasn't that strong with Usso's quick thinking, even then it's just on par with Zanscare's high end suits with Usso at the wheels. The reality is the V2 wasn't that important by itself, getting one into Usso's hands was.
without Usso's quick thinking*
>The V2 really wasn't that strong
Son, it's equipped with one of the strongest weapons in UC that you could put on a mobile suit.
V is full of those.
>Is that a bomb? Let me just get out of my MS to deactivate it manually, despite having no experience handling explosives and making things worse in the process.
>despite having no experience handling explosives
Where does she mention having no experience?
>t. speedwatcher
So why did the wheels generate i-fields and why wasn't the bridge their first target?
>So why did the wheels generate i-fields
No clue
>why wasn't the bridge their first target?
Because more than a few warships in Gundam tend to have secondary bridges, meaning that even if the bridge was destroyed it might only stop it temporarily. Even in Victory we see ships get their bridges destroyed and keep moving. If he'd managed to destroy the wheel with his suicide attack, then he would have at least disabled one of its primary methods of propulsion and kept it from being sent down to Earth for the operation.
This is bullshit and you know it. The vast majority of ships in Gundam have stores of explosives all throughout the ship that are triggered seconds after the bridge is hit. I can only count perhaps two or three cases throughout the entire franchise where the bridge is totally destroyed, and the ship doesn't immediately go up in flames after.
Which is unfortunate, because on a real ship the true nerve center of the ship is the CIC, which is closer to the center of the ship behind a shitload of armor. The bridge is there for visually commanding the ship, but you can do just as well while being nowhere near as vulnerable by issuing commands from the CIC.
His name was Jinn, dummies. Gym is this motherfricker.
not even the dumbest death in victory
tbf he acted out of desperation. Most of Victory cast acted out of desperation.
Mubarak using his ship as a spear tip to strike deep into the Zanscare line and eventually performing a kamikaze strike at the Angel Halo.
Gym who is a coward in the most of the episode decided to man up and sacrifice himself with the rest of the crew of Reinforce.Jr to stop the Motorad Fleet.
That Javelin ms pilot attacking the Motorad fleet alone and so on.
>Gym who is a coward in the most of the episode decided to man up and sacrifice himself
He's alive.
He was talking about the fake one that was on the Reinforce Jr, not Uso's dad.
Right, my mistake.
Uso dad name was Hangelg Ewin, the real leader of LM. Gym is just the stand in.
He did it because he didnt want to raise his kid