Damn. Has he been working out? Those are some pretty surprising muscles
Also, insulting Christians isn't edgy. It's spineless as they are an easy target and there is no reprecussion. He would never say anything about the "other" religions. If you know what I mean ;^)
I remember a behind the scenes thing he did around Extras where he's fat but does a pec dance claiming he's got muscles, they're just buried in fat. He just cut down.
Gervais has always been relatively built. Not like an athlete or anything but like an ordinary working class bloke. He was relatively athletic as a younger lad and then got fat, never been a weakling or anything.
It's not ours to defend God. Our God isn't weak and has to have humans defend Him like Allah. If Ricky wants to burn in hell for all eternity that's his choice and not my problem.
>Our God isn't weak and has to have humans defend Him
Isn’t most of the Bible about him getting pissed off when people don’t kiss his ass? Didn’t he destroy the life of his most ardent follower just to prove something to his arch enemy? Sounds pretty fragile tbh.
>insulting unicorns
unicorns gets kicked out of 109 stables, blame the horses
unicorns larp as "fellow horses" when it benefits them, turn magically back into unicorns when this benefits them
unicorns use their power to punish those who say they have power
unicorns demand a stable only for unicorns while demanding horses let all the other animals into their stables
isnt it kinda strange the people we base our whole government off of even now suddenly converted to christianity out of nowhere? this doesnt confuse anyone else?
I find it more weird that people to this day actually believe some israelite was eaten by a whale and lived for 40 years in its stomach, or that another israelite wizard parted the Red Sea and spoke to a burning bush. I wouldn’t doubt if these stories also predated Judaism, some ancient religion people kept changing over time before it became the abrahamic desert trilogy.
isnt it kinda strange the people we base our whole government off of even now suddenly converted to christianity out of nowhere? this doesnt confuse anyone else?
No they didn't. Name one country Brazil or Nigeria or whatever country you're from conquered. Only white people did this. And we did that before and after christojudaism just as well.
Oh look he still has the exact same fricking schtick. does he still also laugh like a hyena with clamped teeth when he gets going on how fricking stupid little old Christian ladies are.
He is so fricking brave and I can't understand why everyone gets their panties in a twist.
Remember that time he did a show where he criticized Judaism for like 90 minutes?
That part where he just read the Talmud and talked about how incredibly backward and deranged the beliefs were was incredible.
Gervais was good at first because he could draw on real life experiences as he lived a normal life and grew up in a working class household.
Now he's isolated in a million dollar mansion and the only interaction he gets is vanity searching his own name on twitter, so he's become increasingly out of touch and hence all he talks about is religion, trannies, pronouns etc because that is all he sees of the world now
Imagine him trying to create a cast of normal, every day characters like in the Office now
AbdurRahman ibn AbuLayla, quoting Usayd ibn Hudayr, a man of the Ansar, said that while he was given to jesting and was talking to the people and making them laugh, the Prophet (ﷺ) poked him under the ribs with a stick. He said: Let me take retaliation. He said: Take retaliation. He said: You are wearing a shirt but I am not. The Prophet (ﷺ) then raised his shirt and the man embraced him and began to kiss his side. Then he said: This is what I wanted, Messenger of Allah!
The majority of christians are brown like you
The majority of atheists are white like me
Your argument makes zero sense (as is expected by brownstians)
It's embarrassing Ricky Gervias is still in the mid 00s new Atheist mindset, even Atheists look back and cringe at this shit, Ricky is 60 and hasn't grown as a writer or comedian in nearly 25 years
>I went to church and believed in God -– what a relief for a working-class mother. You see, growing up where I did, mums didn't hope as high as their kids growing up to be doctors; they just hoped their kids didn't go to jail. So bring them up believing in God and they'll be good and law abiding. It's a perfect system. Well, nearly. 75 percent of Americans are God- ‐fearing Christians; 75 percent of prisoners are God- ‐fearing Christians. 10 percent of Americans are atheists; 0.2 percent of prisoners are atheists.
He's right, Christgays are on average stupider and more violent than atheists.
If we cared about improving society we would reduce the rights of religious people
And what about the 24.8% of religious prisoners who aren't Christians, with the number being so small because Christianity is the dominant religion in the US?
Cope & rent free.
im agnostic myself but im willing to bet that while atheists and agnostics dont go to prison as often, they are more likely to lead bug lives. sitting indoors all day, little socialization, no romantic prospects, not in shape, etc
If that's what you believe, then who are you calling liberal? Every single one of you atheists are progressives
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>Every single one of you atheists are progressives
My existence just debunked thus. You cannot believe in evolution without also being racist
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
Im more agnostic than athiest but i am the most racist man alive
4 weeks ago
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>Every single one of you atheists are progressives
My existence just debunked thus. You cannot believe in evolution without also being racist
>I'm one of the good ones!
You don't matter.
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
Good thing I'm not pining for the approval of morons like you
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
Yeah you are. Atheists are always begging for attention.
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the people at the top want to undermine our democratic processes so i dont really care that they want to bar immigration. That position is completely fricked by them wanting to throw out white science and white systems of governance.
Reminder Ricky Gervais is a multi millionaire who unironically searches his own name on twitter and gets angry at random people with 50 followers shitting on him, even when they didn't tag him in the post
>Islam preaches about killing non-believers >Judaism literally considers a specific ethnic group of people to be of a superior race when compared to the rest of the world >Yet most fedora warriors only go after le ebil Christianity
I legit don't get it.
Because Christians are the weakest of the three
Maybe you guys should've been more concerned about strengthening your believers rather than being actual cuckolds
>Grow up in a country dominated by Christianity where most of them were forced into being Christians before they were old enough to decide for themselves >WTF WHY DO THEY TARGET CHRISTIANITY, IT'S NOT FAIR
>FORCED into a pretty good religion about self improvement and strengthening your morals and community
Dude i dont even get the arguments sometimes kek like what else did you wanna do with your time load up more porn?
Freedom that Christianity has afforded you to experience but are to dumb to realize like alot of morons in existence. With there sacrifice you would probably be like those viking homosexual still destroying shit and never advancing but your stomachs full and you have technology to keep your mind sane(somewhat) so your good.
>oh no le hecking vikings were so mean why would anybody want to live an existence in tune with nature and the genuine urges of the body
This is your argument, white man?
based, liberal (in the classical sense) societies are the best on the planet for this reason. we dont live in some theocratic hellhole where you are forced to be any one thing over another.
What is Christianity currently forcing you to do? Give specific examples
4 weeks ago
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hardcore trad-type christians like Nick Fuentes have openly expressed wanting to transform America in a theocratic regime. our forefathers would spit on him lol
4 weeks ago
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So nothing is the answer
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>nick troony lover fuentes is allegedly a Christian
lol?
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>Christianity would never force you back into a pre-Enlightenment medieval dystopia >why? Well…..it hasn’t yet!
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>finally the Enlightenment and the French Revolution has delivered us from religious obscurantism, surely we aren't going to see any genocides perpetrated by atheist ideologies in the future
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>pay no attention to the vastly increased lifespans and decreased infant mortality rates in all countries which also, coincidentally, see declining church attendance
Couldn’t possibly be the growth of evidence based reasoning, no sir!
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>he actually believes in the 'dark' ages
You know why they call it that? Because it was the period in which Europe had no emperor after Rome fell and that only refers to the early Middle Ages.
4 weeks ago
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They call it that because we have very little written sources about it and hence know much less about it than we do about the time before and after. And why is that? because christcucks destroyed Roman civilization and turned Europe into an illiterate agrarian shithole.
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
It's literally only called that because Europe had no emperor after Rome fell. There is no other reason. Go read a book.
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No, incel, its not. I read books, in fact I would have a lot more books to read if christcucks hadn't burned most of the books from classical antiquity.
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Why are you lying on the internet?
4 weeks ago
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man, you couldn't be more the opposite of corect if you were a israeli psyop
4 weeks ago
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Please, show us the usual 7 illuminated manuscripts from the period 400-950 AD in western Europe
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>regresssion in standards, literacy, armies, logistics, education, economics and ideals >it's not le dark age pfttt!
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>Christianity caused the dark ages!
That's not true but we do know it caused a historical period literally known as the Enlightenment.
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This is mental illness. The Enlightenment is literally a battle against the tyranny of Christianity.
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The Enlightenment lead to the French Revolution which was the start of the downfall of Western Civilization.
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Why did the Enlightenment only occur in the West and not in Saudi Arabia or Japan?
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Unironically, urbanization and literacy and the influence of preChristian Greek thought
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Anonymous
Remember when they did that update of Cosmos a few years ago with black science man and the brilliant mind behind Family Guy and The Orville?
Why did they start out a "documentary" by lying about Giordano Bruno? They literally try to turn him into a sacrificial martyr (pretty ironic) for science and ignore that he was a Dominican friar who converted to a radical sect of Calvinism (during the one of the most politically tumultuous periods of the Reformation) and started preaching stuff about Christianity even crazier than the Mormon's and Kolob (for which he was repeatedly warned by religious/political authorities trying to contain various violent uprisings).
They make it seem like Bruno was killed by evil religious authorities for simply saying the Earth isn't the center of the universe complete with animation which shows him posed like Christ flying through the heavens (kek). Kind of weird they start out a supposedly educational program by flat out rewriting history and try to slander religion by creating a martyr complete with superhuman iconography wherein he's posed like Christ.
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
Don't shirk responsibility. Roman's caused Rome to fall, no one else.
4 weeks ago
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It was caused by negligent christcucks who cared more about their supposed salvation from their israelite god than running a country from the inside and barbarous christcucks who killed their supposed brethren from the outside
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satanic witches ain't no brethren of mine homie stop the cap fr
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Behold the Christcuck who throws his own brethren into the dung heap
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I ain't riding with no satan worshipping homies frfr
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Anonymous
>and barbarous christcucks who killed their supposed brethren from the outside
So are Christians servile cowards or are they Chad warriors? Please make up your mind
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Apart from
They call it that because we have very little written sources about it and hence know much less about it than we do about the time before and after. And why is that? because christcucks destroyed Roman civilization and turned Europe into an illiterate agrarian shithole.
correctly pointing out that christlarping pagans went full chimpout and refused to read books (not unlike a certain illiterate Prophet), you’ll note I didn’t actually say the Dark Ages. Religious persecution of each other and the nonreligious happened repeatedly throughout all history, it’s only when educated affluent white people came up with ideas like universal suffrage and the power of Reason that things started to slowly get better
>pretty good religion about self improvement and strengthening your morals and community
That's not cuckstainity though. It's israelite worshipped who's main practice is minority worship.
Why do people even debate religious people? It's like arguing with the mad hobo on the subway. It's so obviously ridiculous. By arguing with them you are just giving them legitimacy. People believing in a supernatural entity with 0 proof and thinking they need to follow specific rules and perform specific OCD-esque rituals to enter a state that you can't even verify. It's like a classic scam. Like buying a product from a stranger with 0 feedback and no image. "You will go to heaven trust me bro."
Funnily enough, when Bongland becomes part of the European Caliphate, some devotee of Allah the most merciful will beat the shit out of him and carve atheist into his chest before cutting his head off, inshallah.
>everything is le random because bad things le happen >even though we literally make no sense evolution wise and the strike zones for life to even exist are near miracle levels of random
lmao couldnt be me
Is your arguments why God doesnt exist, that men have nipples? when a majority of the things humans have dont even make sense from an efficiency standpoint. We seem to have evolved from a more beauty standpoint which brings me back to my other point that once again we make no sense.
Also that your butthole feels somewhat good when you put things in there.......please dont argue like this in public LMAO.
>w-why do they bully us so, christbros >we're just poor little guys minding our own business. we're totally not absolutely everywhere and trying to pass laws that force everyone to conform to our beliefs or anything like those muslims >we follow jesus's words to the letter. I'd never force anyone to follow my–DID THAT CASHIER JUST SAY HAPPY FRICKING HOLIDAYS????
the ONLY religion I will ever respect is calvinism because they admit free will doesnt exist. they dont do bizarre copes about how "erm well yeah god hardened the pharoahs heart but its like... umm... if a clay pot may get hardened by the sun but umm the sun umm didnt choose to harden the clay pot????"
lol such fricking cope, calvinists are the only honest ones
99.9% of religions depend on a concept of free will. This also relates to the fate of the unlearned. If for whatever reason you dont understand why the absence of free will contradicts religion, surely you understand why the fate of the unlearned makes religion look like a bizarre punishment-cult you never had a choice in
sure, lets start with definitions. Determinism is defined as simply cause and effect. A chain of physical events that leads from one to another. Can you explain free will? (spoiler: nobody is able to give a coherent definition of free will)
what does "a slave to external factors and stimuli" even mean? literally everything is external factors and stimuli, every single process or thought in your head is the result of an outside force that stems back to a time before you were born.
you are not the conscious author of your thoughts, this would require you to think a thought before you think it. consciousness is simply a rolling chain of reactions. yes, very complex reactions far above the rest of the animal kingdom, but rolling reactions nonetheless. Introducing complexity doesnt make it so that there is a magic man in your head pulling levers or something. Not trying to be smug or snarky i just legitmately dont even understand what you can define free will as. "not being a slave to outside forces" doesnt make any sense.
It sounds to me like you're conflating influences- often very strong ones yes- with uhh idk how could I say it? Definitive outcomes? We are bound by certain laws we have no control over. There are parameters we have to live in. But within that we can still choose. Unless you. Believe humans can't choose? Btw it seems you're acting in good-faith so I do appreciate that
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>But within that we can still choose
the issue here is that you are struggling to define what it even means to "choose"
if you can admit that "choices" are made based on where every particle sits right now, which surely you must agree that you make decisions based on the state of the universe, the state of your own brain included, then it follows that if we were to rewind the clock to the exact moment you "make your decision" why should I believe you would choose any differently? if we reset every particle to where they were the moment you made your decision, you'd make the same decision every single time
if you think you'd somehow make a different one, why? what else is there? magic? not being condescending i just really have no idea what is left
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
No I get you. What if you're 50/50 on a course of action, though? You might actually choose one over the other in your scenario.
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the feeling of 50/50 is just that, a feeling. that feeling was predetermined since before you were born as well as the option you end up picking. You will end up "choosing" one over the other but like I had said earlier, if you reset every particle to its exact same position, you'd choose the exact same every time. If you would choose the exact same every time given the exact same state of the universe, that applies to all future "choices" as well. Choice is an illusion. An incredibly strong illusion, but an illusion nonetheless
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The reason this is still an open question is because you can't prove it. Unless we invent time travel and go back to observe the same decision with the same outcome every time, you can't discount the possibility of there being some external element beyond just the state of the universe at that instant influencing your decision. Whether that element is God, free will, or really anything else you can ascribe to it (for example, elements outside of the simulation in sim theory), there is absolutely no way you can prove it one way or another. So right now it just boils down to personal belief.
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not to be stubborn on this point, but you've still yet to define what free will even is. Do you think your brain is capable of bucking the laws of cause and effect? this isnt a matter of proving something one way or the other, im saying your side doesnt exist because it cant even be defined coherently
You've never been unsure of a "choice" to make?
of course ive felt uncertainty, that feeling was predetermined. A series of causes and effects that resulted in a feeling we call uncertainty
4 weeks ago
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You can choose how to feel though
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you are not the conscious author of your thoughts, that would require you to think before you think it
if something makes you mad, and you take a deep breath and calm down, none of that was free will. that was a series of cause and effect that your brain reacted upon. The force that caused you to calm down was not some magic lever that was divorced from the laws of cause and effect. A series of dominoes fell that resulted in your brain doing that.
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>if something makes you mad, and you take a deep breath and calm down, none of that was free will.
Proof? All you did with the second part of that post is restate your assertion in different terms.
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you conveniently left out the entire part where i explained a series of causes and effects lead to that moment.
question, do you think thoughts before you think them?
4 weeks ago
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>i explained a series of causes and effects lead to that moment.
I left that out because it doesn't actually affirm the idea that something is deterministic at a microscopic level. Your sleight of hand here is using a basic understanding of physical materialism while asserting I have to explain why you're wrong in terms of physical materialism.
The fact is that systems can produce emergent phenomena that go beyond the summation of their physical parts. Complex order means that such phenomena cannot be described via standard deterministic equations and I therefore reject your hypothesis that such a system is deterministic if you look closely enough.
4 weeks ago
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if you are arguing for quantum uncertainty then sure, that existe. Gets you no closer to free will however. Im more inclined to believe that is simply another form of determinism that has yet to have its causes and effects mapped out. The alternative is... what exactly?
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
>quantum uncertainty
Don't use terms you don't understand, anon. The fact is that brain states interact and have influence on physical states as well so the problem is a lot more complicated than the naive reductionism you don't even know you're referencing.
4 weeks ago
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you are just being condescending you arent even arguing anything. All you've said is that free will is emergent then saying the term is too complex for me. You're coming off as incredibly
pseudo intellectual here. Im willing to have an honest conversation. You cant just redefine free will as an emergent phenomena and say you've won lmao
4 weeks ago
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>you are just being condescending
I'm returning like for like but unlike you I earn my right to condescension (i.e. mine lands). > you arent even arguing anything
You're filtered by the arguments being made because they reject the framework you assert one must follow in order to not agree with you. It's not your fault you're disingenuous, most don't realize what you're doing as you repeat the ideas of others, because you're not very intelligent.
>All you've said is that free will is emergent
Consciousness is an emergent phenomena which means you have to make a clear argument for the (naive) reductionism you're presenting instead of just asserting it. >then saying the term is too complex for me
It obviously is. Consciousness is an emergent phenomena at face value and instead of picking up this thread you confused what is meant by "emergence" while reasserting reductionism without further elaboration. >You're coming off as incredibly
pseudo intellectual here
Says the guy who brought up quantum mechanics but has never even opened a physics textbook lol. >You cant just redefine free will as an emergent phenomena and say you've won
There's nothing to win from you, anon. You're not on my level.
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
How does the description of free will as an emergent phenomena explain the process by which free will is exercised? this is a genuine, good-faith question
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
Can you explain the process by which you were determined to come up with this sentence and then decide to post it?
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
I asked a good-faith question and you decide to counter with a question. That's not how a fair conversation goes. Answer my question then I'll answer yours. I have a response ready but I asked a question first.
It provides a foundation to argue that conscious interaction with one's environment takes place in that the elements of a system could be deterministic, although still not necessarily, and still lead to non-deterministic events (i.e. the limits of predictability with a hint of an argument for novel experience). Also, it betrays the fact that naive reductionism reverts to the idea that if you were more conscious (e.g. in terms of the variables at work) you'd know you were unconscious.
Great, what is an example of a "non-deterministic event"?
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
>Great, what is an example of a "non-deterministic event"?
Complex emergence. Go ahead and Google that so you can avoid asking redundant questions.
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
why cant you just answer the question without referring to google? I'd answer your questions. You realize when you just keep deferring to google it makes it seem like you dont have a grasp on the stuff you're talking about. If you understood this, it should be easy to have a conversation
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It provides a foundation to argue that conscious interaction with one's environment takes place in that the elements of a system could be deterministic, although still not necessarily, and still lead to non-deterministic events (i.e. the limits of predictability with a hint of an argument for novel experience). Also, it betrays the fact that naive reductionism reverts to the idea that if you were more conscious (e.g. in terms of the variables at work) you'd know you were unconscious.
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>A series of dominoes fell that
-influenced your decision
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the "choice" is ALL influences and causes and effects. what else is there???magic???
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Just because we don't understand it doesn't mean it doesn't exist.
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normally id agree, but the "it" in question here cant even be defined. We dont even know what we're looking for.
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Can't say I disagree
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Anonymous
>I have no agency, my failures are all God's fault
literal manchild way of thinking
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Anonymous
only a true moron could see someone arguing for determinism and think they are religious. go away, adults are talking
>what free will even is.
Its an emergent phenomena. >bucking the laws of cause and effect
Complex emergence does this.
"emergent phenomena" does not explain anything about the process, you've just given it another name. Are you just saying it is mysterious and random? you realize that gets you no closer to free will right?
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>calling this vain babbling "adult talk"
Anon, I...
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>"emergent phenomena" does not explain anything about the process
Yes it does. It's a theory about how things become more than the sum of their parts. >Are you just saying it is mysterious and random?
It's mysterious and beyond randomness. If you don't think free will is mysterious and can only attach a label of randomness you haven't thought about this very deeply. >you realize that gets you no closer to free will right?
You don't know what emergent phenomena are and are encountering this argument for the first time. Go read up.
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im open to having my mind changed, is there any proof of this emergent phenomena? and if there is, is there proof your brain (an incredibly electrical and chemically based thing) operates on this?
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>proof
You'd have to understand the terms being used and I'm afraid they seem to be out of your depth.
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I completely understand them and you're unwilling to argue your point. I dont think you even understand your own side here. You seem to simply be arguing for quantum randomness, which gets you no closer to free will
4 weeks ago
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>I completely understand them and you're unwilling to argue your point. I
You obviously don't understand them because, as you yourself just admitted, you don't see the arguments being made. You're out of your depth.
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
you've yet to make a single argument, you've just renamed free will to emergent phenomena lmao
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>what free will even is.
Its an emergent phenomena. >bucking the laws of cause and effect
Complex emergence does this.
>Cinemaphile Christian apologetics amounts to just vague deists who think community picnics are a net positive
The LARP is astronomical. Literally just go outside.
An enemy that numbers time in millennia with a cultural basis that goes back to preliterate man and symbolism rooted in primordial hominids appears! >[(You)--Choose your fighter]!
a) Richard Dawkins: rat-faced evolutionary biologist who popularized the word meme (secret weapon: Scientism; weakness: Kafka)
b) Sam Harris: midwit who solved the problem of induction (secret weapon: meditation; weakness: complex thought)
c) Christopher Hitchens: reformed commie/former gay with great talent for rhetoric (secret weapon: alcoholic snark (aka Hitchslap); weakness: Neoconservatism)
d) Daniel Dennett: Saturday morning philosopher (secret weapon: midwit empowerment (aka Reddit); weakness: phenomenology) >(You): WEAPONIZED CONDESCENTION! ALL FOUR HORSEMEN, I CHOOSE (You)s!
*****[Fight!]***** >(You) choose: YOU DON'T BELIEVE IN SANTA CLAUS, DO YOU?!
[Counter attack: nuance. Enemy isn't 4 and is unimpressed you don't believe in Santa. Attack is ineffective.] >(You) choose: WHY DON'T YOU WORSHIP ZEUS?!
[Counter attack: nuance. Even myth is meaningful in a way not reducible to materialism. Attack is ineffective.] >(You) choose: SCIENCE THOUGH!
[Counter attack: nuance. Enemy brings up the history of science and its complex relationship and continuing interplay with religion. Attack is ineffective.] >(You) choose: FEDORA TIP!
[Counter attack: enemy is laughing.] >(You) choose: NO YOU!
[Counter attack: enemy is laughing.] >REEEEEEEEEEEEEE >[(You) have fainted.]
>atheists are titans of intellect >[but expect you to be impressed they don't believe in Santa] >atheists stand for free-thinking >[but demand you adhere to Scientism] >atheists are champions of reason >[but have strong opinions about things of which they're uneducated] >atheists are anti-dogmatic >[but insist you interpret scripture only according to their ideas of it]
Atheism is an intelligence LARP that morons indoctrinate themselves into. Being an atheist is ridiculously easy; their main weak point is their unearned pride and if you poke at their (entirely self-perceived) intelligence they become reactive and break down. Reminder that the legacy of New Atheism is pic-related: homosexual rape/cuck furry fetish cartoons.
i appreciate the answer but that doesnt solve the problem. people die before judgement day without ever having a chance to be exposed to the Christian faith. Is a Sentinelese guy who dies today just fricked?
No no one is beyond his reach from what hes said your given one final chance to drop the ego and repent or its oblivion hes not gonna wait on you forever but hes also not gonna watch his kid endlessly fall into the pitt.
>you can spend your life killing, stealing, sinning, and just saying “I repent haha I was being a real goofball” and all is forgiven
Christianity is by far the most moronic of the 3 israelite worshipping religions.
Your thinking of God as if your interacting with people down here, just say thing and they believe you because we cant read your mind or your heart to see your true intentions to God your being is fully displayed before him the words are just exchanges i imagine he will be looking inside you to truly see what you are and pass judgement off that.
but people are LITERALLY beyond his reach, there is objectively a 1 year old Sentinelese kid who will die without ever being introduced to Christianity. Im not sure how you account for this
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Anonymous
What do you not understand? EVERYONE on judgement day will meet him no one will be unaccounted for why are you stuck that if a person dies he cant get to them?
People who follow christianity from how i interpret Jesus's teachings are already sorted because if they truly follow it there actions will show it. EVERYONE else will be given a final chance kid,adults,family,friends etc.
In a more deeper way ive been mulling over for years, as long as you finally relinquish the hate in your heart even on your death bed, at the last millisecond and repent you are a Christian. You following Christianity means attempting to be a good person, with you attempting to be a good person unknowingly have become Christian even if you dont wanna call yourself that. You are now one with Gods mindset and will probably be fine on judgement day why?Because God is good.
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Anonymous
if you die before learning of him and before judgement day, where do you stay until then?
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
Its a misconception that when people die there already in Heaven that we allow for the grieving process to be easier, everyone is asleep in the nicest way i can put it. Theres no Heaven or Hell until the final judgement, everyone reaches Heaven at the same time. You can call it Limbo, First death before the final death if there a horrible person, or just a deep sleep.
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
the Bible is clear kids up to a certain age go straight to heaven after death
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
okay what if you are 25 year old sentinel man who was never in contact with the bible or a missionary?
4 weeks ago
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everybody heard of Jesus Christ. the whe world counts years from when he came here on Earth to give the free gift of salvation to everyone. given your hypothetical scenario though, you're judged by the contents of your heart (meaning you're basically fricked). get saved
Romans 10 >8But what saith it? The word is nigh thee,evenin thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach;9That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.10For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.11For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.12For there is no difference between the israelite and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him.13For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.
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so you can avoid belief in god and jesus but be saved by the contents of your heart? I feel like most christians would not agree with this
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re-read my post. if you are to be judged by your works you are fricked
Romans 10 >“As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one.”
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I re-read your post and I will re-ask my question because it wasnt answered, are you saying you can simply not believe in god or jesus and be admitted into heaven based on the contents of your heart? what if from birth your heart was poisoned to be full of hatred and destruction and you never had a choice?
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are you being daft on purpose? You asked a question - what if one is not a child anymore and haven't heard of Jesus Christ. I answered everyone heard of Jesus but given someone didn't, they will be judged by the contents of their heart, meaning they are fricked because there is no human being who is righteous and can be saved this way, which is why spreading the gospel is so important. The only way to get saved is through Jesus Christ; if we were to be saved by our works, none of us would be going to Heaven. Thus - get saved
John 3 >16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.19 And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.20 For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved.21 But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God.
>you can spend your life killing, stealing, sinning, and just saying “I repent haha I was being a real goofball” and all is forgiven
Christianity is by far the most moronic of the 3 israelite worshipping religions.
I believe in God, the Father Almighty, Creator of Heaven and earth;
and in Jesus Christ, His only Son Our Lord,
Who was conceived by the Holy Spirit, born of the Virgin Mary, suffered under Pontius Pilate, was crucified, died, and was buried.
He descended into Hell; the third day He rose again from the dead;
He ascended into Heaven, and sitteth at the right hand of God, the Father almighty; from thence He shall come to judge the living and the dead.
I believe in the Holy Spirit, the holy Catholic Church, the communion of saints, the forgiveness of sins, the resurrection of the body and life everlasting.
Amen.
>please tell me I did! I’m so offensive right! Why do they even hire me?! Wdym my new show is basically 90 minutes of monologued twitter ranting? You must be… offended 😉
i love how a decade ago the average atheist would condemn Christianity for being racist while now the go-to argument against it is "you worship a israelite"
>trust the science unless the science says that mental deficiency makes you more liberal and atheist then you can pretend the science is run by da jooz
>the science says that mental deficiency makes you more liberal and atheist
It doesn't though this is about fear. You're just too brown to care for your own arguments.
>two more weeks until Hitler defeats the allies! >two more weeks until Trump wins the elections! >two more weeks until Putin destroys NATO! >two more weeks until Hamas kills all Israelites! >two more weeks until all religion is expunged!
yawwwn lol
I've heard god's voice, he seems really upset cause we humans do nothing but hatred to others, there's no more sympathy or conscience in this world, he said he will purificate this world next century, there will be cleansing and men will be finally all equal by go extinction, I was afraid but now I'm in kinda peace cause all these suffer will finally ends,
>Ricky Gervais is one of the few funny British comedians.
This is incorrect. He's actually one of the least funny people in Britain and that's including the general public.
Not at all. You're just a tryhard, like that brainlet Penn Jillette that once thought it would be a good idea to use a car license plate mocking Islam. Lucky him people didn't allow his stupid arse to do it.
Atheists/disbelievers/wrongdoers can't reason. They always come up with the shittiest plans.
Yeah I guess he's like the opposite of Jordan Peterson where he also can't admit to being a Christian because it's his career, except he fricked up and placed himself in the "religion bad" camp.
They have infinitely more in common than modern Christians have with the early Christian communities. And they have even more in common than tradlarpers do with real modern Christians.
a throw away comment in a shitty article means nothing i want him to go around dresssed like muhammad acting like a pedo and tell me the results cant wait for the after acid attack apology
actually, it would be more that you say you don't believe in fairy tales but only mock the unicorn believers because mocking the believers of the chimera and the bigfoot by name would land you in much more hot water should it reach public eye.
>Christ: We should all strive to be good people
I don't think you really understand how offensive this is to the average atheist, most of them are cynical utilitarianists who wouldn't hesitate to push each other under a bus for material gain.
Thats what gets me as well dont believe all you want but to be in a christian founded nation and mock it is peak moron. Go to the middle east and spout your enlightened mind and enjoy the reactions.
It's funny that atheists genuinely think their beliefs are not faith-based. Delusional. Agnostics are the only group whose belief or disbelief in a God is not faith-based, but instead conditional. "I don't know" is the only truly rational claim when it comes to the existence of a creator.
>lets attack charitable christians whilst muslims rape our kids and tell us to get out of London
another worthless grub that has sold his dignity, honor and soul.
uhmm sweetie a lot of those policy makers were probably christian so yas they're bad people
>we wuz the cause of everything mah homie
Christcuck arrogance and ignorance
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everything in the modern world, yes
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Everything in the modern world is a result of Europe moving away from the shackles of christcuckery
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well, everything bad that is
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yes and the modern world is so wonderful with it's endless lies and sin.
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but I thought the modern world is cucked and israeli? Just a second ago you said that the Enlightenment brought about the downfall of western civilization?
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I know the poster count is gone but there's more than 1 poster itt sweetie
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Oh my sweat sumo child. It's you arguing with yourself you fricking schitzo!
Christian charity organizations vastly outweigh all other religious charities combined, and possibly also secular.
Go to any natural disaster or humanitarian crisis and it's Christians doing the vast majority, if not all of the goodwill.
This might be the most "peak religion" post in this thread.
The mix of tribalism and lack of comprehension paints such a poignant caricature that it beggars belief.
I chose to cling to the notion that it's bait, as my faith in humanity hasn't degraded that far just yet.
The reality is that Jesus is a secular saint in that he articulated universal love better than any human before or since. He’s important the way Socrates was about skeptical inquiry, we owe him for one of the pillars of modern moral thought. Don’t think I’ll be believing in any of the desert Hebrew nonsense, sorry, but Jesus of Nazareth deserves all our thanks
Do you believe Ricky Gervais would qualify as a modern Jesus considering all the torments he had to endure in the oppressively religious United Kingdom?
What is it with people here on a site filled with psychopaths, pedophiles, where people constantly laugh and make fun of the deaths of others like on /gif/ and /misc/, and more pretend to be staunch religious individuals, and as if any actual religious person outside of this subhuman den would accept them? You'd be banned from any Church if they knew you roamed here.
>What is it with people here on a site filled with
That's funny because you are very clearly just another pseud, you've never read the bible, never had anyone teach you anything about Christianity yet you make moronic claims like this >You'd be banned from any Church if they knew you roamed here
The world is not as simple as your mind, deadweight b***h.
You will never be a Christian. You have no faith, no knowledge of the bible or real interest in religious practice. You are a deranged incel larping as a religious person. All the 'validation' you get is from other tradlarpers. Real christians look at you with disgust and consider you a spiteful degenerate freak. You will never be catholic. You wrench out a fake prayer every morning and hope that it somehow triggers and owns the libtards. Eventually the lack of sex will be too much to bear - you’ll buy a rope, tie a noose, put it around your neck, and plunge into the cold abyss. Your parents will find you, heartbroken but relieved that they no longer have to live with the unbearable shame and disappointment, knowing that you would have never given them grandchildren anyway. They will bury you without giving you a christian burial since everyone knew you were larping anyway.
>love and forgiveness equals tolerating and entertaining low-effort bait made in bad faith without end
??? get saved
Acts 16 >26And suddenly there was a great earthquake, so that the foundations of the prison were shaken: and immediately all the doors were opened, and every one's bands were loosed.27And the keeper of the prison awaking out of his sleep, and seeing the prison doors open, he drew out his sword, and would have killed himself, supposing that the prisoners had been fled.28But Paul cried with a loud voice, saying, Do thyself no harm: for we are all here.29Then he called for a light, and sprang in, and came trembling, and fell down before Paul and Silas,30And brought them out, and said, Sirs, what must I do to be saved?31And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house.
Its so baffling to me, so you Atheist think that since the dawn of humans being absolute shit to each other only now and COINCIDENTALLY in CHRISTIAN founded nations people just started to WEIRDLY TOTALLY NOT BECAUSE OF CHRISTIANITY start being nice to each other because we figured out how to do science better? Because weve advanced in science the thing totally not responsible for getting us this far now needs to be cast aside?can you see how stupid this sounds?
Christcucks were burning people alive for saying the earth is round. Is that the "being nice" and "making scientific advancement possible" stuff you were giving christcucks credit for?
Atheists are nice people though. Look, especially this one
You will never be a Christian. You have no faith, no knowledge of the bible or real interest in religious practice. You are a deranged incel larping as a religious person. All the 'validation' you get is from other tradlarpers. Real christians look at you with disgust and consider you a spiteful degenerate freak. You will never be catholic. You wrench out a fake prayer every morning and hope that it somehow triggers and owns the libtards. Eventually the lack of sex will be too much to bear - you’ll buy a rope, tie a noose, put it around your neck, and plunge into the cold abyss. Your parents will find you, heartbroken but relieved that they no longer have to live with the unbearable shame and disappointment, knowing that you would have never given them grandchildren anyway. They will bury you without giving you a christian burial since everyone knew you were larping anyway.
You're just a whatchamacallit.. a chud. You got that, chud?
Anon. Do you genuinly believe that the current state of, well anything, can be laid at the feet of any single factor?
Do you truly believe that the world is THAT simple?
Listen if all the 1st world countries are Christian founded and everywhere else is scrambling to copy there homework without putting in the effort to really study which is why you get hellholes like modern China and Korea. Yeh, i think ill actually die on that hill. Is it the SOLE reason?No, but a pretty big one.
There's nuggets of truth in what you're saying as the overarching infulence of Christianity in European culture is undeniable.
However "copying homework" as you put it is a way expeditious affair when you're neighbours; when Iberia started using the new fancy boats and guns to conquer the world do you think that France and Britain followed suit mainly due to overarching cultural similarities or because they said "Oh shit, our rivals are getting stinking from conquering the world".
Spain and Portugal are both Catholic because they're next to eachother; they competed for spice routes because they're next to eachother.
They didn't get so similar because they had the same state religion, they had the same state religion because they were so similar.
Anon from even my two examples of China and Korea you can bring a country technologically up to our level but if the years of pondering, moral values, fighting for good, helping the weak etc. arent there there society wont prosper in the same way we do. Im not just talking about physical items either. Approaching situations the way we do in 1st world countries is so foreign in other places you have to admit Christianity has had an effect on that.
I believe weve backslid because morons throwing the religion away today but you cant tell me when Christianity was at its peak even just a few decades ago even just day to day interacting shit even just breathing felt better.
A lot of people are like this without realizing it. Especially certain atheists, provided they grew up in a less shitty area.
The Christian influence on the modern world is potent even when people are turning on the religion itself. It already left a mark.
I imagine I'm much more likely to be killed where I stand in Christian Congo than atheist Estonia.
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Estonia is 51% Christian. I'm sure the number can do down, but that would just mean people would have less incentive not to commit sin such as murder, so it's not like atheism will accomplish some miracle on its own.
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Atheists believe that without Christianity the world would become a paradise utopia where everyone gets along.
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and vice versa?
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Such an environment is a goal Christianity strives towards.
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What do you mean? If the whole world were Christian?
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Yeah. Would that solve everything?
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I mean its gotten us this far who knows at this point.
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Journey of a 1000 miles etc and so forth
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People just started being nice to each other because we have Marvel movies of course and internet.
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We live in a fallen world so no. Watch a Christian kid's movie because it's not that advanced of a concept. Chronicles of Narnia or something. Lion/Witch/Wardrobe.
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>We live in a fallen world
Yes and atheists are too preoccupied to seethe about the comparatively non-fallen Christian part of the population because everything else is hunky dory.
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>comparatively non-fallen
Is that going to be your argument to St. Peter?
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Striving to be a good person despite your faults is still preferable to giving up and living in a perpetual state of sin and nihilism.
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I thought Atheists believed that Utopia is inherently impossible because humans are horrid creature who'll always mess something up.
Or is that more an Agnostic stance?
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No-one gives a shit about religion here anon, but if you'd prefer, choose Czechia or China. The causal factor that makes countries safe and prosperous is whiteness, not Christianity.
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Whites can be profoundly barbaric without a guiding hand of moral and reason. Not to mention incestuous.
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Black person we have the whole of Vikings and other pagan shit to show thats not even remotely true.
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Pagan shit like Pax Romana?
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You mean the same Rome that fell and everyone converted to Christianity? Who you gonna blame that on?
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>thats not even remotely true
I don't know, man. Buddhists saw fire demons dancing in lightening and figured out they could stop them from burning down temples by putting metal swords on their rooftops.
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Estonians aren't white so it's not just whiteness. It's the moral values passed down through Christianity. You wouldn't want to go back to the dark ages no matter how much you delude yourself into thinking that.
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The dark ages were Christian anon
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>he thinks I'm referring to the pop terminology and not the real dark ages where barbarism was the norm
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You define barbarism as not worshipping your magic israelite though
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No moron, I define it as behavior that the Bible is against. That you want an excuse to pillage, kill and rape despite your lack of physical prowess is not something Christianity has a fault in. You wouldn't be able to live that kind of lifestyle among atheists either because humanity moved past that point.
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The 2 centuries of pagan Pax Romana were considerable more peaceful than all of Christian Europe up until WWII nearly killed everyone. Christian Europe was at literal constant war with each other.
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Nah, war has been a part of human history long before Christianity came about.
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No shit so maybe Christianity isn't the civilising force mongs itt are saying it is.
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It is because it preaches social strategies that are inherently pro-civilization. Everything that is considered a sin is inherently against civilization.
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How did China manage to make a civilisation then?
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China still has its own religion. Its civilization isn't on par with what Christians have achieved but it's not a place where chaos reigns either.
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By trading with us and adopting our technology. If you actually looked into China you would know its all extreme propaganda most of the territories there are in extreme poverty hell they still even eat people.
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This is also true. What China is good at among other things is making itself appear better than it is and I've been told this by people who actually live there.
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This homie cant be real >The 2 centuries of pagan Pax Romana were considerable more peaceful than all of Christian Europe
God help us
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This is Christian influence. A few thousand years ago the people you think peaceful would've acted like Black folk.
Religion is a way to turn beasts into people.
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Doesn't seem to be working very well for non-whites, especially when notably non-religious East Asians are the most civilised of them by far.
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Except there are other religions they follow and they're not the most civilized either, nor do they have as many accomplishments as Christian first world countries.
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First world doing an awful lot of the heavy lifting in this post. Where are the non-first world Christian acheivements? Surely there must be loads if Christianity is the causal factor.
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Atheism would make impoverished countries even worse than they are.
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They would never become atheist because they are full of low-IQ mongs, which is both why they are incredibly religious and impoverished.
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And yet they don't have the same levels of degeneracy present in the first world since it has become more and more atheist. Interesting.
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>country that hasn't been subdued by the civilizing aspects of Christianity vs. country that has been subdued by the civilizing aspects of Christianity
Thanks for proving the point.
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Ethiopia has been Christian longer than Europe, why isn't it full of luxury?
so give it to me straight- is he an atheist or not?
I actually saw him last week. He sounded like a Christian, but at the same time I feel like he's become one and just refuses to openly state it so he can differentiate himself from a preacher for branding purposes. But maybe he is still in the "God isn't literally real but is an idea that is crucial for civilization to function" phase.
I believe it's the latter- a "Cultural Christian" like the Dawkins pic an anon posted earlier.
Or he is but he's a shekel goblin and doesn't want to say it out of fear of alienating his audience that isn't.
Christianity is "Do unto others as you have them do unto you"
If you are against this then you are a corrupt being and don't belong in existence.
Simple as.
>the second that atheism could become normalized, widespread, and casually discussed for the first time in history atheists ruined it by being themselves
it wasn't meant to be
I honestly don't know why people shill atheism that much like it will change anything for the better in some major way. There's plenty of atheism in the world as is. And what came of it?
It's fine, this is all just a filtering process to find beings with free will, that God can trust in his kingdom.
If you deny Christ's very simple teachings of "respect one another" then you are clearly a corrupted being and don't belong.
What I don't get is why atheists focus so much on Christianity over actual issues that plague society, as if Christianity is preaching that you have to be a bad person.
What's even funnier is that it's always Christianity which is the problem and never any other religion.
Damn. Has he been working out? Those are some pretty surprising muscles
Also, insulting Christians isn't edgy. It's spineless as they are an easy target and there is no reprecussion. He would never say anything about the "other" religions. If you know what I mean ;^)
I remember a behind the scenes thing he did around Extras where he's fat but does a pec dance claiming he's got muscles, they're just buried in fat. He just cut down.
>If you know what I mean
If you insult Christianity you insult a bunch of other religions by association including the ones you mean
couldn't be more wrong
you really know nothing about the religions or their practitioners
lol, like saying that blm addresses all racial problems, or at least a single one
Gervais has always been relatively built. Not like an athlete or anything but like an ordinary working class bloke. He was relatively athletic as a younger lad and then got fat, never been a weakling or anything.
OK Ricky, now insult Mohammed the same way.
whats that, you only attack nice people who wont attack you back?
He wouldn't have the balls. He is a hypocrite.
>You're a hypocrite if you'll smack a mosquito but not a male Silverback gorilla
Maybe cry some more about it?
>christians are weak blood sucking insects and muslims are like apes
It's not ours to defend God. Our God isn't weak and has to have humans defend Him like Allah. If Ricky wants to burn in hell for all eternity that's his choice and not my problem.
>Our God isn't weak and has to have humans defend Him like Allah
Yeah Christians would NEVER get defensive or violent over their faith
Well Jesus never preached about killing people who don't follow your religion unlike the quran, so yeah.
Christianity is about washing your enemies feet like a bunch of cucks which explains why Christian nations are full of crime
That's post hoc cope you've conjured up to deal with your own impotence.
The Christians of the past would never.
>Our God isn't weak and has to have humans defend Him
Isn’t most of the Bible about him getting pissed off when people don’t kiss his ass? Didn’t he destroy the life of his most ardent follower just to prove something to his arch enemy? Sounds pretty fragile tbh.
That was old Testament God. He was going through some shit and didn't mellow out until his Jesus/Messiah arc
I guess you haven’t read revelations.
>looks up stats of human deaths throughout history caused by mosquitoes vs deaths caused be silverbacks
so you admit atheist are pussies who fear islam?
I guess you'll be da based Christian alpha when you're getting eviscerated on a Parisian sidewalk.
>t. had to rely on western gibs when the soviets came knocking
If your point is that all animals deserve death and that anyone who doesn't kill them is an idiot... then yes, you are a hypocrite.
>Christ-tard completely fails to understand the analogy
cope
back to the pol crybox ivan
>insulting unicorns
unicorns gets kicked out of 109 stables, blame the horses
unicorns larp as "fellow horses" when it benefits them, turn magically back into unicorns when this benefits them
unicorns use their power to punish those who say they have power
unicorns demand a stable only for unicorns while demanding horses let all the other animals into their stables
You low effort newbies stick out like sore thumbs.
>"WHAT ABOUT OTHER GOY?"
why is the kneejerk reaction of western goy?
Pattern recognition
There's a whole industry of talmudic fricks ridiculing Islam from Dawkins to Hitchens.
This. These "new atheist" types have been criticizing Islam from the very beginning. We all know there's one religion they won't touch though.
Lmao, it's really ~~*curious*~~ how it's never any other religion, only Christianity.
this post really bothered the atheists lol
go leave, homosexuals
>admitting christians are cucks
GG
Damn btfod kek
Roman's converted to Christianity though?
isnt it kinda strange the people we base our whole government off of even now suddenly converted to christianity out of nowhere? this doesnt confuse anyone else?
A lot of the lower classes were converting because Christians were known for helping the poor more than the pagans.
I find it more weird that people to this day actually believe some israelite was eaten by a whale and lived for 40 years in its stomach, or that another israelite wizard parted the Red Sea and spoke to a burning bush. I wouldn’t doubt if these stories also predated Judaism, some ancient religion people kept changing over time before it became the abrahamic desert trilogy.
Mainly urban slaves converted.
The first Christian converts were slaves and women
You all cry about pisslam, but none of these grifters ever shit on the original israelite religion.
You really triggered the fedoras
see
we all know christians are push overs who take it and muslims are animals, whats this comment supposed to be proving?
>conquered the world
Not bad for pushovers tbh
whats happening to the west now?
still the supreme superpower of the world, 2 more weeks though
absolutely riled lmao
Yes you are
>absolutely riled lmao
The further you go back in time, the less atheist it was, so therein lies your answer.
A turn away from the Christianity that .are us strong.
No they didn't. Name one country Brazil or Nigeria or whatever country you're from conquered. Only white people did this. And we did that before and after christojudaism just as well.
Wrong. Christianity is the number 1 religion in the world including in Europe and the US.
The pushover meme is spread by people who aren't familiar with the various branches of christianity, some of which can indeed be violent.
>now insult Mohammed the same way
*blocks your path*
Oh look he still has the exact same fricking schtick. does he still also laugh like a hyena with clamped teeth when he gets going on how fricking stupid little old Christian ladies are.
>le epic bacon chungus man
Karl and Steve are better comedians than Ricky ever was
I think Ricky Gervais might be the only person I hate more than all Americans.
Pharisaic chuds, you have my sword.
He is so fricking brave and I can't understand why everyone gets their panties in a twist.
Remember that time he did a show where he criticized Judaism for like 90 minutes?
That part where he just read the Talmud and talked about how incredibly backward and deranged the beliefs were was incredible.
Such a brave man.
He's such a fricking homosexual.
Gervais was good at first because he could draw on real life experiences as he lived a normal life and grew up in a working class household.
Now he's isolated in a million dollar mansion and the only interaction he gets is vanity searching his own name on twitter, so he's become increasingly out of touch and hence all he talks about is religion, trannies, pronouns etc because that is all he sees of the world now
Imagine him trying to create a cast of normal, every day characters like in the Office now
Yes Ivan we know you're raiding. No Ivan this doesn't make me want a fascist Christian government. No ivan atheists aren't da joos.
Did you know that muhammed was a false prophet and a closeted homosexual, and that the holocaust didn't happen?
The German camps were no different than the Japanese Internment Camps in the U.S.
Narrated Usayd ibn Hudayr,:
AbdurRahman ibn AbuLayla, quoting Usayd ibn Hudayr, a man of the Ansar, said that while he was given to jesting and was talking to the people and making them laugh, the Prophet (ﷺ) poked him under the ribs with a stick. He said: Let me take retaliation. He said: Take retaliation. He said: You are wearing a shirt but I am not. The Prophet (ﷺ) then raised his shirt and the man embraced him and began to kiss his side. Then he said: This is what I wanted, Messenger of Allah!
Yup, he was!
>fricking little girls is homosex
He was definitely a pedo but a homosexual? I'm not so sure about that.
how do you explain the massive amount of israelites vanishing from europe around the time? is there just no explanation for that one?
A Ricky Gervais classic.
what kind of pathetic self hating mutt made this shit
>pathetic self hating mutt
the pic isn't pro-atheism, though
The majority of christians are brown like you
The majority of atheists are white like me
Your argument makes zero sense (as is expected by brownstians)
>The majority of atheists are white like me
oh, this is gonna be good
post hand and country
Protestant here. In my specific branch of Christianity you actually can't be white if you're not Christian so your pass has been revoked.
you meme but this is unironically how it works with some branches, you can canonically say stuff like that
My grandpa is exactly like this. But I think maybe he was molested by a priest
I predict some very triggered posts ITT.
He was late to the online game with all the atheist cancer, that photoshoot was all just a ruse to show he wasn't as fat anymore
t. recaller
OK now go to a Holocaust museum and say "get over it israelites!" while you swing a chicken and burn the Israeli flag. See what happens.
not sure if neopagans itt or western converts. cringe either way
Contrarians who think "liberals" is why they can't get laid.
Just midwits who want something to lash out at.
Stunning and brave, atheist comedians are truly the heroes every secular society needs and deserves.
This is the most pathetic thing I've ever seen.
This is so fricking autistic. He's never been "persecuted" for his autism. If anything he gets his balls licked by tons of atheists.
this is gay in only a way that the british could find it controversial
*ding dong*
Oh look it's Ho Lee Fuk
It's embarrassing Ricky Gervias is still in the mid 00s new Atheist mindset, even Atheists look back and cringe at this shit, Ricky is 60 and hasn't grown as a writer or comedian in nearly 25 years
Gervais on growing up:
>I went to church and believed in God -– what a relief for a working-class mother. You see, growing up where I did, mums didn't hope as high as their kids growing up to be doctors; they just hoped their kids didn't go to jail. So bring them up believing in God and they'll be good and law abiding. It's a perfect system. Well, nearly. 75 percent of Americans are God- ‐fearing Christians; 75 percent of prisoners are God- ‐fearing Christians. 10 percent of Americans are atheists; 0.2 percent of prisoners are atheists.
He's right, Christgays are on average stupider and more violent than atheists.
If we cared about improving society we would reduce the rights of religious people
The numbers don't lie
And what about the 24.8% of religious prisoners who aren't Christians, with the number being so small because Christianity is the dominant religion in the US?
Cope & rent free.
least stupid christcuck
100% of prisoners are atheists because committing violent crimes is not Christian.
>No true scotsman
Correlation != Causation
im agnostic myself but im willing to bet that while atheists and agnostics dont go to prison as often, they are more likely to lead bug lives. sitting indoors all day, little socialization, no romantic prospects, not in shape, etc
its a low risk low reward style of living
Correlation != Causation
Keep that same energy next time Black person crime stats are posted you coping homosexual
Aww, did the mean Christian make you look dumb? 🙁
Look dumb? Muh correlation and causation is the most hackneyed libshit cope of all time, and you've embraced it beautifully lmao
If that's what you believe, then who are you calling liberal? Every single one of you atheists are progressives
>Every single one of you atheists are progressives
My existence just debunked thus. You cannot believe in evolution without also being racist
Im more agnostic than athiest but i am the most racist man alive
>I'm one of the good ones!
You don't matter.
Good thing I'm not pining for the approval of morons like you
Yeah you are. Atheists are always begging for attention.
the people at the top want to undermine our democratic processes so i dont really care that they want to bar immigration. That position is completely fricked by them wanting to throw out white science and white systems of governance.
Interesting fact, Ricky!
Hey, what's the prison population by race? Do you know?
So are statistics correct, or aren’t they?
>people find religion when given food and shelter and time to think
Yeah
Reminder Ricky Gervais is a multi millionaire who unironically searches his own name on twitter and gets angry at random people with 50 followers shitting on him, even when they didn't tag him in the post
critique israelites
so does ricky ever look back on this militant athiest phase as cringe or is he still the exact same
He's basically the same. My christian dad loves him aswell.
>Islam preaches about killing non-believers
>Judaism literally considers a specific ethnic group of people to be of a superior race when compared to the rest of the world
>Yet most fedora warriors only go after le ebil Christianity
I legit don't get it.
Because Christians are the weakest of the three
Maybe you guys should've been more concerned about strengthening your believers rather than being actual cuckolds
>Grow up in a country dominated by Christianity where most of them were forced into being Christians before they were old enough to decide for themselves
>WTF WHY DO THEY TARGET CHRISTIANITY, IT'S NOT FAIR
>AAAAAAAAAAAIIIIIEEEEEEEE MY MOM MADE ME GO TO SUNDAY CHURCH, THIS IS LITERALLY ABUSE SAVE ME Black personMAN!!!!!!!!
>Christians: *exist*
>"REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE"
Now who's clutching pearls?
>FORCED into a pretty good religion about self improvement and strengthening your morals and community
Dude i dont even get the arguments sometimes kek like what else did you wanna do with your time load up more porn?
I prefer freedom
Freedom to do what? What are you being barred from doing? Be specific.
Freedom that Christianity has afforded you to experience but are to dumb to realize like alot of morons in existence. With there sacrifice you would probably be like those viking homosexual still destroying shit and never advancing but your stomachs full and you have technology to keep your mind sane(somewhat) so your good.
>oh no le hecking vikings were so mean why would anybody want to live an existence in tune with nature and the genuine urges of the body
This is your argument, white man?
based, liberal (in the classical sense) societies are the best on the planet for this reason. we dont live in some theocratic hellhole where you are forced to be any one thing over another.
religious losers want to change this though
What is Christianity currently forcing you to do? Give specific examples
hardcore trad-type christians like Nick Fuentes have openly expressed wanting to transform America in a theocratic regime. our forefathers would spit on him lol
So nothing is the answer
>nick troony lover fuentes is allegedly a Christian
lol?
>Christianity would never force you back into a pre-Enlightenment medieval dystopia
>why? Well…..it hasn’t yet!
>finally the Enlightenment and the French Revolution has delivered us from religious obscurantism, surely we aren't going to see any genocides perpetrated by atheist ideologies in the future
>pay no attention to the vastly increased lifespans and decreased infant mortality rates in all countries which also, coincidentally, see declining church attendance
Couldn’t possibly be the growth of evidence based reasoning, no sir!
>he actually believes in the 'dark' ages
You know why they call it that? Because it was the period in which Europe had no emperor after Rome fell and that only refers to the early Middle Ages.
They call it that because we have very little written sources about it and hence know much less about it than we do about the time before and after. And why is that? because christcucks destroyed Roman civilization and turned Europe into an illiterate agrarian shithole.
It's literally only called that because Europe had no emperor after Rome fell. There is no other reason. Go read a book.
No, incel, its not. I read books, in fact I would have a lot more books to read if christcucks hadn't burned most of the books from classical antiquity.
Why are you lying on the internet?
man, you couldn't be more the opposite of corect if you were a israeli psyop
Please, show us the usual 7 illuminated manuscripts from the period 400-950 AD in western Europe
>regresssion in standards, literacy, armies, logistics, education, economics and ideals
>it's not le dark age pfttt!
>Christianity caused the dark ages!
That's not true but we do know it caused a historical period literally known as the Enlightenment.
This is mental illness. The Enlightenment is literally a battle against the tyranny of Christianity.
The Enlightenment lead to the French Revolution which was the start of the downfall of Western Civilization.
Why did the Enlightenment only occur in the West and not in Saudi Arabia or Japan?
Unironically, urbanization and literacy and the influence of preChristian Greek thought
Remember when they did that update of Cosmos a few years ago with black science man and the brilliant mind behind Family Guy and The Orville?
Why did they start out a "documentary" by lying about Giordano Bruno? They literally try to turn him into a sacrificial martyr (pretty ironic) for science and ignore that he was a Dominican friar who converted to a radical sect of Calvinism (during the one of the most politically tumultuous periods of the Reformation) and started preaching stuff about Christianity even crazier than the Mormon's and Kolob (for which he was repeatedly warned by religious/political authorities trying to contain various violent uprisings).
They make it seem like Bruno was killed by evil religious authorities for simply saying the Earth isn't the center of the universe complete with animation which shows him posed like Christ flying through the heavens (kek). Kind of weird they start out a supposedly educational program by flat out rewriting history and try to slander religion by creating a martyr complete with superhuman iconography wherein he's posed like Christ.
Don't shirk responsibility. Roman's caused Rome to fall, no one else.
It was caused by negligent christcucks who cared more about their supposed salvation from their israelite god than running a country from the inside and barbarous christcucks who killed their supposed brethren from the outside
satanic witches ain't no brethren of mine homie stop the cap fr
Behold the Christcuck who throws his own brethren into the dung heap
I ain't riding with no satan worshipping homies frfr
>and barbarous christcucks who killed their supposed brethren from the outside
So are Christians servile cowards or are they Chad warriors? Please make up your mind
Apart from
correctly pointing out that christlarping pagans went full chimpout and refused to read books (not unlike a certain illiterate Prophet), you’ll note I didn’t actually say the Dark Ages. Religious persecution of each other and the nonreligious happened repeatedly throughout all history, it’s only when educated affluent white people came up with ideas like universal suffrage and the power of Reason that things started to slowly get better
You say you love freedom yet you follow society's laws, doesn't make sense.
Freedom from what?
Basic decency? Resposability? Common sense?
>pretty good religion about self improvement and strengthening your morals and community
That's not cuckstainity though. It's israelite worshipped who's main practice is minority worship.
they will claim they grew up with christianity, something that only holds water if we go back 200 years and remove the existence of the internet
Why do people even debate religious people? It's like arguing with the mad hobo on the subway. It's so obviously ridiculous. By arguing with them you are just giving them legitimacy. People believing in a supernatural entity with 0 proof and thinking they need to follow specific rules and perform specific OCD-esque rituals to enter a state that you can't even verify. It's like a classic scam. Like buying a product from a stranger with 0 feedback and no image. "You will go to heaven trust me bro."
why would i be offended by someone who looks like an absolute homosexual?
Ahh yes his failed pop music career
Funnily enough, when Bongland becomes part of the European Caliphate, some devotee of Allah the most merciful will beat the shit out of him and carve atheist into his chest before cutting his head off, inshallah.
Why is it always christianity? ok hes not gonna say that about muslims because they will find him at night then say it about israelites?fricking pussy
>So turns out... Jesus was a lil monkey fellar...
Can't even tell who is that supposed to offend
ITT: theistic cope.
>you will die
>you will rot
>there is no heaven
>no Jesus waiting for you
>you will never see grandad again
C O P E
>everything is le random because bad things le happen
>even though we literally make no sense evolution wise and the strike zones for life to even exist are near miracle levels of random
lmao couldnt be me
>god put nipples on guys for no reason
>god also made the prostate really nice to massage
God really wants us to gay it up, huh?
Is your arguments why God doesnt exist, that men have nipples? when a majority of the things humans have dont even make sense from an efficiency standpoint. We seem to have evolved from a more beauty standpoint which brings me back to my other point that once again we make no sense.
Also that your butthole feels somewhat good when you put things in there.......please dont argue like this in public LMAO.
You're not brave for being an atheist. No one's impressed.
Chuck gets sucked, fricks and feeds the seed of Sneed, indeed.
AAAWWW PLAY A RECOHHD
>w-why do they bully us so, christbros
>we're just poor little guys minding our own business. we're totally not absolutely everywhere and trying to pass laws that force everyone to conform to our beliefs or anything like those muslims
>we follow jesus's words to the letter. I'd never force anyone to follow my–DID THAT CASHIER JUST SAY HAPPY FRICKING HOLIDAYS????
do you seriously think modern christians are as violent is modern islam
>No no, the child drag shows stop now
>WAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH THIS IS CHRISTOFACISM SAVE ME BLACK SCIENCE MAN
Clutch those pearls
The whole atheism and rationality movement doesn't even exist anymore, it got derailed by feminists and proto-SJWs in like 2011
the ONLY religion I will ever respect is calvinism because they admit free will doesnt exist. they dont do bizarre copes about how "erm well yeah god hardened the pharoahs heart but its like... umm... if a clay pot may get hardened by the sun but umm the sun umm didnt choose to harden the clay pot????"
lol such fricking cope, calvinists are the only honest ones
Free will not existing doesn't even contradict a Prime Mover so I don't know why it's so important to atheists
99.9% of religions depend on a concept of free will. This also relates to the fate of the unlearned. If for whatever reason you dont understand why the absence of free will contradicts religion, surely you understand why the fate of the unlearned makes religion look like a bizarre punishment-cult you never had a choice in
Good point, thanks.
Also, prove determinism then
sure, lets start with definitions. Determinism is defined as simply cause and effect. A chain of physical events that leads from one to another. Can you explain free will? (spoiler: nobody is able to give a coherent definition of free will)
I suppose not being a slave to external factors and stimuli? Along those lines
what does "a slave to external factors and stimuli" even mean? literally everything is external factors and stimuli, every single process or thought in your head is the result of an outside force that stems back to a time before you were born.
you are not the conscious author of your thoughts, this would require you to think a thought before you think it. consciousness is simply a rolling chain of reactions. yes, very complex reactions far above the rest of the animal kingdom, but rolling reactions nonetheless. Introducing complexity doesnt make it so that there is a magic man in your head pulling levers or something. Not trying to be smug or snarky i just legitmately dont even understand what you can define free will as. "not being a slave to outside forces" doesnt make any sense.
It sounds to me like you're conflating influences- often very strong ones yes- with uhh idk how could I say it? Definitive outcomes? We are bound by certain laws we have no control over. There are parameters we have to live in. But within that we can still choose. Unless you. Believe humans can't choose? Btw it seems you're acting in good-faith so I do appreciate that
>But within that we can still choose
the issue here is that you are struggling to define what it even means to "choose"
if you can admit that "choices" are made based on where every particle sits right now, which surely you must agree that you make decisions based on the state of the universe, the state of your own brain included, then it follows that if we were to rewind the clock to the exact moment you "make your decision" why should I believe you would choose any differently? if we reset every particle to where they were the moment you made your decision, you'd make the same decision every single time
if you think you'd somehow make a different one, why? what else is there? magic? not being condescending i just really have no idea what is left
No I get you. What if you're 50/50 on a course of action, though? You might actually choose one over the other in your scenario.
the feeling of 50/50 is just that, a feeling. that feeling was predetermined since before you were born as well as the option you end up picking. You will end up "choosing" one over the other but like I had said earlier, if you reset every particle to its exact same position, you'd choose the exact same every time. If you would choose the exact same every time given the exact same state of the universe, that applies to all future "choices" as well. Choice is an illusion. An incredibly strong illusion, but an illusion nonetheless
The reason this is still an open question is because you can't prove it. Unless we invent time travel and go back to observe the same decision with the same outcome every time, you can't discount the possibility of there being some external element beyond just the state of the universe at that instant influencing your decision. Whether that element is God, free will, or really anything else you can ascribe to it (for example, elements outside of the simulation in sim theory), there is absolutely no way you can prove it one way or another. So right now it just boils down to personal belief.
not to be stubborn on this point, but you've still yet to define what free will even is. Do you think your brain is capable of bucking the laws of cause and effect? this isnt a matter of proving something one way or the other, im saying your side doesnt exist because it cant even be defined coherently
of course ive felt uncertainty, that feeling was predetermined. A series of causes and effects that resulted in a feeling we call uncertainty
You can choose how to feel though
you are not the conscious author of your thoughts, that would require you to think before you think it
if something makes you mad, and you take a deep breath and calm down, none of that was free will. that was a series of cause and effect that your brain reacted upon. The force that caused you to calm down was not some magic lever that was divorced from the laws of cause and effect. A series of dominoes fell that resulted in your brain doing that.
>if something makes you mad, and you take a deep breath and calm down, none of that was free will.
Proof? All you did with the second part of that post is restate your assertion in different terms.
you conveniently left out the entire part where i explained a series of causes and effects lead to that moment.
question, do you think thoughts before you think them?
>i explained a series of causes and effects lead to that moment.
I left that out because it doesn't actually affirm the idea that something is deterministic at a microscopic level. Your sleight of hand here is using a basic understanding of physical materialism while asserting I have to explain why you're wrong in terms of physical materialism.
The fact is that systems can produce emergent phenomena that go beyond the summation of their physical parts. Complex order means that such phenomena cannot be described via standard deterministic equations and I therefore reject your hypothesis that such a system is deterministic if you look closely enough.
if you are arguing for quantum uncertainty then sure, that existe. Gets you no closer to free will however. Im more inclined to believe that is simply another form of determinism that has yet to have its causes and effects mapped out. The alternative is... what exactly?
>quantum uncertainty
Don't use terms you don't understand, anon. The fact is that brain states interact and have influence on physical states as well so the problem is a lot more complicated than the naive reductionism you don't even know you're referencing.
you are just being condescending you arent even arguing anything. All you've said is that free will is emergent then saying the term is too complex for me. You're coming off as incredibly
pseudo intellectual here. Im willing to have an honest conversation. You cant just redefine free will as an emergent phenomena and say you've won lmao
>you are just being condescending
I'm returning like for like but unlike you I earn my right to condescension (i.e. mine lands).
> you arent even arguing anything
You're filtered by the arguments being made because they reject the framework you assert one must follow in order to not agree with you. It's not your fault you're disingenuous, most don't realize what you're doing as you repeat the ideas of others, because you're not very intelligent.
>All you've said is that free will is emergent
Consciousness is an emergent phenomena which means you have to make a clear argument for the (naive) reductionism you're presenting instead of just asserting it.
>then saying the term is too complex for me
It obviously is. Consciousness is an emergent phenomena at face value and instead of picking up this thread you confused what is meant by "emergence" while reasserting reductionism without further elaboration.
>You're coming off as incredibly
pseudo intellectual here
Says the guy who brought up quantum mechanics but has never even opened a physics textbook lol.
>You cant just redefine free will as an emergent phenomena and say you've won
There's nothing to win from you, anon. You're not on my level.
How does the description of free will as an emergent phenomena explain the process by which free will is exercised? this is a genuine, good-faith question
Can you explain the process by which you were determined to come up with this sentence and then decide to post it?
I asked a good-faith question and you decide to counter with a question. That's not how a fair conversation goes. Answer my question then I'll answer yours. I have a response ready but I asked a question first.
Great, what is an example of a "non-deterministic event"?
>Great, what is an example of a "non-deterministic event"?
Complex emergence. Go ahead and Google that so you can avoid asking redundant questions.
why cant you just answer the question without referring to google? I'd answer your questions. You realize when you just keep deferring to google it makes it seem like you dont have a grasp on the stuff you're talking about. If you understood this, it should be easy to have a conversation
It provides a foundation to argue that conscious interaction with one's environment takes place in that the elements of a system could be deterministic, although still not necessarily, and still lead to non-deterministic events (i.e. the limits of predictability with a hint of an argument for novel experience). Also, it betrays the fact that naive reductionism reverts to the idea that if you were more conscious (e.g. in terms of the variables at work) you'd know you were unconscious.
>A series of dominoes fell that
-influenced your decision
the "choice" is ALL influences and causes and effects. what else is there???magic???
Just because we don't understand it doesn't mean it doesn't exist.
normally id agree, but the "it" in question here cant even be defined. We dont even know what we're looking for.
Can't say I disagree
>I have no agency, my failures are all God's fault
literal manchild way of thinking
only a true moron could see someone arguing for determinism and think they are religious. go away, adults are talking
"emergent phenomena" does not explain anything about the process, you've just given it another name. Are you just saying it is mysterious and random? you realize that gets you no closer to free will right?
>calling this vain babbling "adult talk"
Anon, I...
>"emergent phenomena" does not explain anything about the process
Yes it does. It's a theory about how things become more than the sum of their parts.
>Are you just saying it is mysterious and random?
It's mysterious and beyond randomness. If you don't think free will is mysterious and can only attach a label of randomness you haven't thought about this very deeply.
>you realize that gets you no closer to free will right?
You don't know what emergent phenomena are and are encountering this argument for the first time. Go read up.
im open to having my mind changed, is there any proof of this emergent phenomena? and if there is, is there proof your brain (an incredibly electrical and chemically based thing) operates on this?
>proof
You'd have to understand the terms being used and I'm afraid they seem to be out of your depth.
I completely understand them and you're unwilling to argue your point. I dont think you even understand your own side here. You seem to simply be arguing for quantum randomness, which gets you no closer to free will
>I completely understand them and you're unwilling to argue your point. I
You obviously don't understand them because, as you yourself just admitted, you don't see the arguments being made. You're out of your depth.
you've yet to make a single argument, you've just renamed free will to emergent phenomena lmao
>what free will even is.
Its an emergent phenomena.
>bucking the laws of cause and effect
Complex emergence does this.
You've never been unsure of a "choice" to make?
>Cinemaphile Christian apologetics amounts to just vague deists who think community picnics are a net positive
The LARP is astronomical. Literally just go outside.
Cannanite metallurgy deities are real because some morons wore a silly hat on the internet 15 years ago
An enemy that numbers time in millennia with a cultural basis that goes back to preliterate man and symbolism rooted in primordial hominids appears!
>[(You)--Choose your fighter]!
a) Richard Dawkins: rat-faced evolutionary biologist who popularized the word meme (secret weapon: Scientism; weakness: Kafka)
b) Sam Harris: midwit who solved the problem of induction (secret weapon: meditation; weakness: complex thought)
c) Christopher Hitchens: reformed commie/former gay with great talent for rhetoric (secret weapon: alcoholic snark (aka Hitchslap); weakness: Neoconservatism)
d) Daniel Dennett: Saturday morning philosopher (secret weapon: midwit empowerment (aka Reddit); weakness: phenomenology)
>(You): WEAPONIZED CONDESCENTION! ALL FOUR HORSEMEN, I CHOOSE (You)s!
*****[Fight!]*****
>(You) choose: YOU DON'T BELIEVE IN SANTA CLAUS, DO YOU?!
[Counter attack: nuance. Enemy isn't 4 and is unimpressed you don't believe in Santa. Attack is ineffective.]
>(You) choose: WHY DON'T YOU WORSHIP ZEUS?!
[Counter attack: nuance. Even myth is meaningful in a way not reducible to materialism. Attack is ineffective.]
>(You) choose: SCIENCE THOUGH!
[Counter attack: nuance. Enemy brings up the history of science and its complex relationship and continuing interplay with religion. Attack is ineffective.]
>(You) choose: FEDORA TIP!
[Counter attack: enemy is laughing.]
>(You) choose: NO YOU!
[Counter attack: enemy is laughing.]
>REEEEEEEEEEEEEE
>[(You) have fainted.]
you cant refute "the fate of the unlearned"
>atheists are titans of intellect
>[but expect you to be impressed they don't believe in Santa]
>atheists stand for free-thinking
>[but demand you adhere to Scientism]
>atheists are champions of reason
>[but have strong opinions about things of which they're uneducated]
>atheists are anti-dogmatic
>[but insist you interpret scripture only according to their ideas of it]
Atheism is an intelligence LARP that morons indoctrinate themselves into. Being an atheist is ridiculously easy; their main weak point is their unearned pride and if you poke at their (entirely self-perceived) intelligence they become reactive and break down. Reminder that the legacy of New Atheism is pic-related: homosexual rape/cuck furry fetish cartoons.
refute the fate of the unlearned please, you get one more chance before I write you off as a literal bot lol
>refute the fate of the unlearned please, you get one more chance before I write you off as a literal bot lol
Lol.
iirc God said all will be given one final chance on judgement day to repent, the ones who already followed Jesus's teachings are just already sorted.
i appreciate the answer but that doesnt solve the problem. people die before judgement day without ever having a chance to be exposed to the Christian faith. Is a Sentinelese guy who dies today just fricked?
No no one is beyond his reach from what hes said your given one final chance to drop the ego and repent or its oblivion hes not gonna wait on you forever but hes also not gonna watch his kid endlessly fall into the pitt.
Your thinking of God as if your interacting with people down here, just say thing and they believe you because we cant read your mind or your heart to see your true intentions to God your being is fully displayed before him the words are just exchanges i imagine he will be looking inside you to truly see what you are and pass judgement off that.
but people are LITERALLY beyond his reach, there is objectively a 1 year old Sentinelese kid who will die without ever being introduced to Christianity. Im not sure how you account for this
What do you not understand? EVERYONE on judgement day will meet him no one will be unaccounted for why are you stuck that if a person dies he cant get to them?
People who follow christianity from how i interpret Jesus's teachings are already sorted because if they truly follow it there actions will show it. EVERYONE else will be given a final chance kid,adults,family,friends etc.
In a more deeper way ive been mulling over for years, as long as you finally relinquish the hate in your heart even on your death bed, at the last millisecond and repent you are a Christian. You following Christianity means attempting to be a good person, with you attempting to be a good person unknowingly have become Christian even if you dont wanna call yourself that. You are now one with Gods mindset and will probably be fine on judgement day why?Because God is good.
if you die before learning of him and before judgement day, where do you stay until then?
Its a misconception that when people die there already in Heaven that we allow for the grieving process to be easier, everyone is asleep in the nicest way i can put it. Theres no Heaven or Hell until the final judgement, everyone reaches Heaven at the same time. You can call it Limbo, First death before the final death if there a horrible person, or just a deep sleep.
the Bible is clear kids up to a certain age go straight to heaven after death
okay what if you are 25 year old sentinel man who was never in contact with the bible or a missionary?
everybody heard of Jesus Christ. the whe world counts years from when he came here on Earth to give the free gift of salvation to everyone. given your hypothetical scenario though, you're judged by the contents of your heart (meaning you're basically fricked). get saved
Romans 10
>8But what saith it? The word is nigh thee,evenin thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach;9That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.10For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.11For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.12For there is no difference between the israelite and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him.13For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.
so you can avoid belief in god and jesus but be saved by the contents of your heart? I feel like most christians would not agree with this
re-read my post. if you are to be judged by your works you are fricked
Romans 10
>“As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one.”
I re-read your post and I will re-ask my question because it wasnt answered, are you saying you can simply not believe in god or jesus and be admitted into heaven based on the contents of your heart? what if from birth your heart was poisoned to be full of hatred and destruction and you never had a choice?
are you being daft on purpose? You asked a question - what if one is not a child anymore and haven't heard of Jesus Christ. I answered everyone heard of Jesus but given someone didn't, they will be judged by the contents of their heart, meaning they are fricked because there is no human being who is righteous and can be saved this way, which is why spreading the gospel is so important. The only way to get saved is through Jesus Christ; if we were to be saved by our works, none of us would be going to Heaven. Thus - get saved
John 3
>16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.19 And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.20 For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved.21 But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God.
>you can spend your life killing, stealing, sinning, and just saying “I repent haha I was being a real goofball” and all is forgiven
Christianity is by far the most moronic of the 3 israelite worshipping religions.
Come on, man. tl;dr
Apply yourself.
Nice cognitive dissonance, bro.
New atheism is no less dogmatic than any religion tbh.
>people have strong opinions
>tHiS Is ReLiGiOn!
I never said it was religion homosexual I said it was dogma.
>Every Cinemaphile Christian is actually just a deist
Every time
I believe in God, the Father Almighty, Creator of Heaven and earth;
and in Jesus Christ, His only Son Our Lord,
Who was conceived by the Holy Spirit, born of the Virgin Mary, suffered under Pontius Pilate, was crucified, died, and was buried.
He descended into Hell; the third day He rose again from the dead;
He ascended into Heaven, and sitteth at the right hand of God, the Father almighty; from thence He shall come to judge the living and the dead.
I believe in the Holy Spirit, the holy Catholic Church, the communion of saints, the forgiveness of sins, the resurrection of the body and life everlasting.
Amen.
>please tell me I did! I’m so offensive right! Why do they even hire me?! Wdym my new show is basically 90 minutes of monologued twitter ranting? You must be… offended 😉
>being this assmad
Yanks really struggle with sarcasm/mocking don’t they?
Christ is King
he was israeli
That has been debunked.
woops you're right, an "ancient hebrew" totally not israeli *wink*
And?
you worship a israelite?
No, I worship God
so?
you worship a israelite?
yes, and? I'm not a /misc/gay in any way
So there's still hope for israelites if only they drop the talmud into a garbage compactor where it belongs
Who condemned the Talmud
ah so he was "one of the good israelites" lmao cool
Jesus wasn't human so he didn't have a race, he only appeared as such
the whole identity of who you know as "jews" today revolves around their hatred and rejection of Jesus Christ, pseud
i love how a decade ago the average atheist would condemn Christianity for being racist while now the go-to argument against it is "you worship a israelite"
198965001
so you admit to worshipping a israelite?
forgot you meme arrows, /misc/gay
tradlarping virgins are so easy to rile up, fricking hell lol
Funny, it's usually atheists throwing a fit over the family unit
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>mind altering substances exist
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>trust the science unless the science says that mental deficiency makes you more liberal and atheist then you can pretend the science is run by da jooz
>trust the science
How about don't condescend about "the science" when you don't know basic calculus and have never calculated a z-score?
>the science says that mental deficiency makes you more liberal and atheist
It doesn't though this is about fear. You're just too brown to care for your own arguments.
>two more weeks until Hitler defeats the allies!
>two more weeks until Trump wins the elections!
>two more weeks until Putin destroys NATO!
>two more weeks until Hamas kills all Israelites!
>two more weeks until all religion is expunged!
yawwwn lol
This shit was edgy in 2011 but it's kind of cringe now
t. non religious
It always amazes me by how much, even if larping, people here seem to actually understand the bible. Cheers anyway.
I've heard god's voice, he seems really upset cause we humans do nothing but hatred to others, there's no more sympathy or conscience in this world, he said he will purificate this world next century, there will be cleansing and men will be finally all equal by go extinction, I was afraid but now I'm in kinda peace cause all these suffer will finally ends,
Jay mors impersonation of him and louis ck is funny
Ricky Gervais is one of the few funny British comedians.
the ricky gervais show is some of the funniest shit
The Ricky Gervais show is carried completely by Karl.
but there would be no karl without ricky. it was a genius idea
>Ricky Gervais is one of the few funny British comedians.
This is incorrect. He's actually one of the least funny people in Britain and that's including the general public.
Not at all. You're just a tryhard, like that brainlet Penn Jillette that once thought it would be a good idea to use a car license plate mocking Islam. Lucky him people didn't allow his stupid arse to do it.
Atheists/disbelievers/wrongdoers can't reason. They always come up with the shittiest plans.
Give it to me straight. How long until he caves, finally becomes a Christian and starts pleading for the expulsion of Islam in Great Britain?
Approximately never because he'd be out of a career
Yeah I guess he's like the opposite of Jordan Peterson where he also can't admit to being a Christian because it's his career, except he fricked up and placed himself in the "religion bad" camp.
250 posts proving that yes, he did offend people
Atheists never contributed anything to society though.
You're making this thread because he did. He won anon.
Have christcuck tradlarpers ever read the bible?
Modern israelites and Biblical Hebrews have almost nothing in common.
They have infinitely more in common than modern Christians have with the early Christian communities. And they have even more in common than tradlarpers do with real modern Christians.
What's a "real modern Christian"?
Someone around right now who truly believes in Christianity
Hey that's me
No, chud. If you were a real Christian you would not post here.
Why not? Which part of scripture am I not following? I will wait.
>I hate the assembly of evildoers, and I will not sit with the wicked. (Psalm 26:5)
I thought atheists were good without God? Hmm?
What kind of new desperate cope is this? You asked me to show you scripture that proves you ought not be here.
>“But I say to you who hear, Love your enemies, do good to those who hate you, bless those who curse you, pray for those who abuse you. Luke 6:27-28
What does that have to do with posting here
Being a chud is incompatible with loving your enemies.
Hmm excuse me sweaty being a chud is valid
>DA JOOOZ
Oh no! Are they back?!
Call me when someone funny gives it to the pedophile Muslims. No one has the balls because they don't want to get a hit put on them.
See:
a throw away comment in a shitty article means nothing i want him to go around dresssed like muhammad acting like a pedo and tell me the results cant wait for the after acid attack apology
You are coping very hard rn sweatie
nice rebuttal bud, my point stands
That's not giving it to them, that's lame. Isn't he supposed to be funny?
Damn why are atheists such babies?
>Atheist: I DON'T BELIEVE IN UNICORNS!
>Fedora followers: Stunning. Brave.
Lol
They're as annoying as believers of whatever.
>muh faith
Blockheads.
>every time
Every time.
Did you miss the part where I agreed they're also gay?
>Atheist: I DON'T BELIEVE IN UNICORNS!
>Chuds: Nooo why do you hate white people so much? You would never say that to a muslim unicorn! israelite!
Chuds suck. This is going to shock you but being a chud dovetails with being a fedora tipper.
It doesn't shock me whatsoever. It has always been obvious to me that tradlarpers are the fedoras of the 2020s.
>everyone who expresses religious faith is a trad larper
Whatever you say, fad larper.
No, most people who express religious faith are not tradlarpers at all. Only people who express it on Cinemaphile.
>Cinemaphile
You should probably be careful not to make those assumptions as they'll surely bleed into your worldview outside of this website.
Chuds, atheists, christcucks, they're all pathetic. I just like to watch them having sissy slapfights.
actually, it would be more that you say you don't believe in fairy tales but only mock the unicorn believers because mocking the believers of the chimera and the bigfoot by name would land you in much more hot water should it reach public eye.
No, saying you are atheist is fine. Belittling the one religion largely responsible for everything good in this world, is offensive.
Christ: We should all strive to be good people
Atheist: I take personal offense to that
>atheist: we can be good people without believing in iron age desert demons
>christgay: REEEEEEEEE YOU ARE A HEATHEN, israelite, PAGAN!!!!
Jesus is cool, it’s fundie Christians writ large that most people object to
Christ: Love your enemies
Chudcel tradlarper: H..he wasn't talking about MY enemies!!
I do love you. You and other homeless people, drug addicts, my little pony viewers, etc. You're free to be you.
Hmmm. What about Black folk and spastics?
But I already told you anon, I love you.
>vice versa
You're a good man. Never forget that.
>Christ: We should all strive to be good people
Troglodytes: SUCH WISDOM, SURELY ONLY THE SON OF GOD COULD EVER CONCEIVE OF SUCH A CONCEPT
>post-thousands of years of Christian teaching and influence
>"pshhhh, who needs Christianity am I right?"
>Christ: We should all strive to be good people
I don't think you really understand how offensive this is to the average atheist, most of them are cynical utilitarianists who wouldn't hesitate to push each other under a bus for material gain.
love is violence to the wicked indeed
Thats what gets me as well dont believe all you want but to be in a christian founded nation and mock it is peak moron. Go to the middle east and spout your enlightened mind and enjoy the reactions.
It's funny that atheists genuinely think their beliefs are not faith-based. Delusional. Agnostics are the only group whose belief or disbelief in a God is not faith-based, but instead conditional. "I don't know" is the only truly rational claim when it comes to the existence of a creator.
>lets attack charitable christians whilst muslims rape our kids and tell us to get out of London
another worthless grub that has sold his dignity, honor and soul.
None of the self-proclaimed Christians in this thread has shown any sign of understanding what "charitable" means.
put on the burqa and be silent, the men are talking sweetie
>charity is when you accept everything I say and don't talk back
There's some definite authoritarian streak in modern atheism.
Modern government policies and capitalism have done more to lift people out of poverty than christcuck charity
Those policies were at least influenced by Christianity. I don't believe any historian would deny that.
>we wuz the cause of everything mah homie
Christcuck arrogance and ignorance
everything in the modern world, yes
Everything in the modern world is a result of Europe moving away from the shackles of christcuckery
well, everything bad that is
yes and the modern world is so wonderful with it's endless lies and sin.
but I thought the modern world is cucked and israeli? Just a second ago you said that the Enlightenment brought about the downfall of western civilization?
I know the poster count is gone but there's more than 1 poster itt sweetie
Oh my sweat sumo child. It's you arguing with yourself you fricking schitzo!
meds
So no counter?
uhmm sweetie a lot of those policy makers were probably christian so yas they're bad people
Christian charity organizations vastly outweigh all other religious charities combined, and possibly also secular.
Go to any natural disaster or humanitarian crisis and it's Christians doing the vast majority, if not all of the goodwill.
This might be the most "peak religion" post in this thread.
The mix of tribalism and lack of comprehension paints such a poignant caricature that it beggars belief.
I chose to cling to the notion that it's bait, as my faith in humanity hasn't degraded that far just yet.
The reality is that Jesus is a secular saint in that he articulated universal love better than any human before or since. He’s important the way Socrates was about skeptical inquiry, we owe him for one of the pillars of modern moral thought. Don’t think I’ll be believing in any of the desert Hebrew nonsense, sorry, but Jesus of Nazareth deserves all our thanks
Do you believe Ricky Gervais would qualify as a modern Jesus considering all the torments he had to endure in the oppressively religious United Kingdom?
What is it with people here on a site filled with psychopaths, pedophiles, where people constantly laugh and make fun of the deaths of others like on /gif/ and /misc/, and more pretend to be staunch religious individuals, and as if any actual religious person outside of this subhuman den would accept them? You'd be banned from any Church if they knew you roamed here.
>le everyone on Cinemaphile is a mushroom munching psychopath
it's not 2012 anymore guy
>>le
>it's not 2012 anymore guy
>muh edgy sekrit club
This place has just been an edgier version of Facebook since 2006
>What is it with people here on a site filled with
That's funny because you are very clearly just another pseud, you've never read the bible, never had anyone teach you anything about Christianity yet you make moronic claims like this
>You'd be banned from any Church if they knew you roamed here
The world is not as simple as your mind, deadweight b***h.
You will never be a Christian. You have no faith, no knowledge of the bible or real interest in religious practice. You are a deranged incel larping as a religious person. All the 'validation' you get is from other tradlarpers. Real christians look at you with disgust and consider you a spiteful degenerate freak. You will never be catholic. You wrench out a fake prayer every morning and hope that it somehow triggers and owns the libtards. Eventually the lack of sex will be too much to bear - you’ll buy a rope, tie a noose, put it around your neck, and plunge into the cold abyss. Your parents will find you, heartbroken but relieved that they no longer have to live with the unbearable shame and disappointment, knowing that you would have never given them grandchildren anyway. They will bury you without giving you a christian burial since everyone knew you were larping anyway.
>You will never be catholic
even your bait is pathetic and childish.
Done talking to soulless halftards.
Why don't you forgive and love me like Jesus said?
>love and forgiveness equals tolerating and entertaining low-effort bait made in bad faith without end
??? get saved
Acts 16
>26And suddenly there was a great earthquake, so that the foundations of the prison were shaken: and immediately all the doors were opened, and every one's bands were loosed.27And the keeper of the prison awaking out of his sleep, and seeing the prison doors open, he drew out his sword, and would have killed himself, supposing that the prisoners had been fled.28But Paul cried with a loud voice, saying, Do thyself no harm: for we are all here.29Then he called for a light, and sprang in, and came trembling, and fell down before Paul and Silas,30And brought them out, and said, Sirs, what must I do to be saved?31And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house.
I do. Will you repent and change your ways?
I actually pray at night. Ha got you.
The Bible is written by man and doesn't prove a God exists. It's not worth much, no Scripture is.
"Keep your friends close and your enemies closer" Jesus
My homie Jesus was aware you'd have a better chance of burning a witch if you seduce her first. Bomb ass homie.
Its so baffling to me, so you Atheist think that since the dawn of humans being absolute shit to each other only now and COINCIDENTALLY in CHRISTIAN founded nations people just started to WEIRDLY TOTALLY NOT BECAUSE OF CHRISTIANITY start being nice to each other because we figured out how to do science better? Because weve advanced in science the thing totally not responsible for getting us this far now needs to be cast aside?can you see how stupid this sounds?
Christcucks were burning people alive for saying the earth is round. Is that the "being nice" and "making scientific advancement possible" stuff you were giving christcucks credit for?
Weren't they pushovers though? Pick a lane sister.
Atheists are nice people though. Look, especially this one
You're just a whatchamacallit.. a chud. You got that, chud?
Anon. Do you genuinly believe that the current state of, well anything, can be laid at the feet of any single factor?
Do you truly believe that the world is THAT simple?
In his defense, atheists legitimately think everything wrong with the world is due to Christianity.
Listen if all the 1st world countries are Christian founded and everywhere else is scrambling to copy there homework without putting in the effort to really study which is why you get hellholes like modern China and Korea. Yeh, i think ill actually die on that hill. Is it the SOLE reason?No, but a pretty big one.
There's nuggets of truth in what you're saying as the overarching infulence of Christianity in European culture is undeniable.
However "copying homework" as you put it is a way expeditious affair when you're neighbours; when Iberia started using the new fancy boats and guns to conquer the world do you think that France and Britain followed suit mainly due to overarching cultural similarities or because they said "Oh shit, our rivals are getting stinking from conquering the world".
Spain and Portugal are both Catholic because they're next to eachother; they competed for spice routes because they're next to eachother.
They didn't get so similar because they had the same state religion, they had the same state religion because they were so similar.
Anon from even my two examples of China and Korea you can bring a country technologically up to our level but if the years of pondering, moral values, fighting for good, helping the weak etc. arent there there society wont prosper in the same way we do. Im not just talking about physical items either. Approaching situations the way we do in 1st world countries is so foreign in other places you have to admit Christianity has had an effect on that.
I believe weve backslid because morons throwing the religion away today but you cant tell me when Christianity was at its peak even just a few decades ago even just day to day interacting shit even just breathing felt better.
That is Christianity practiced trues real power.
most adults are
atheism is intellectually and aesthetically dying.
>i want all the good things Christianity brings but i dont wanna really be one
yuck
it's intellectually dishonest.
never do they ask "why are some religions better for some people than others?"
I thought he was culturally israeli since he came out in favor of Israel genociding their neighbors.
A lot of people are like this without realizing it. Especially certain atheists, provided they grew up in a less shitty area.
The Christian influence on the modern world is potent even when people are turning on the religion itself. It already left a mark.
Its honestly the biggest cosmic joke, that the luxury they enjoy came about from Christianity but there ego is to big to realize it.
Why don't non-white Christian countries provide the same luxury?
They do. They provide the luxury of not killing you where you stand.
I imagine I'm much more likely to be killed where I stand in Christian Congo than atheist Estonia.
Estonia is 51% Christian. I'm sure the number can do down, but that would just mean people would have less incentive not to commit sin such as murder, so it's not like atheism will accomplish some miracle on its own.
Atheists believe that without Christianity the world would become a paradise utopia where everyone gets along.
and vice versa?
Such an environment is a goal Christianity strives towards.
What do you mean? If the whole world were Christian?
Yeah. Would that solve everything?
I mean its gotten us this far who knows at this point.
Journey of a 1000 miles etc and so forth
People just started being nice to each other because we have Marvel movies of course and internet.
We live in a fallen world so no. Watch a Christian kid's movie because it's not that advanced of a concept. Chronicles of Narnia or something. Lion/Witch/Wardrobe.
>We live in a fallen world
Yes and atheists are too preoccupied to seethe about the comparatively non-fallen Christian part of the population because everything else is hunky dory.
>comparatively non-fallen
Is that going to be your argument to St. Peter?
Striving to be a good person despite your faults is still preferable to giving up and living in a perpetual state of sin and nihilism.
I thought Atheists believed that Utopia is inherently impossible because humans are horrid creature who'll always mess something up.
Or is that more an Agnostic stance?
No-one gives a shit about religion here anon, but if you'd prefer, choose Czechia or China. The causal factor that makes countries safe and prosperous is whiteness, not Christianity.
Whites can be profoundly barbaric without a guiding hand of moral and reason. Not to mention incestuous.
Black person we have the whole of Vikings and other pagan shit to show thats not even remotely true.
Pagan shit like Pax Romana?
You mean the same Rome that fell and everyone converted to Christianity? Who you gonna blame that on?
>thats not even remotely true
I don't know, man. Buddhists saw fire demons dancing in lightening and figured out they could stop them from burning down temples by putting metal swords on their rooftops.
Estonians aren't white so it's not just whiteness. It's the moral values passed down through Christianity. You wouldn't want to go back to the dark ages no matter how much you delude yourself into thinking that.
The dark ages were Christian anon
>he thinks I'm referring to the pop terminology and not the real dark ages where barbarism was the norm
You define barbarism as not worshipping your magic israelite though
No moron, I define it as behavior that the Bible is against. That you want an excuse to pillage, kill and rape despite your lack of physical prowess is not something Christianity has a fault in. You wouldn't be able to live that kind of lifestyle among atheists either because humanity moved past that point.
The 2 centuries of pagan Pax Romana were considerable more peaceful than all of Christian Europe up until WWII nearly killed everyone. Christian Europe was at literal constant war with each other.
Nah, war has been a part of human history long before Christianity came about.
No shit so maybe Christianity isn't the civilising force mongs itt are saying it is.
It is because it preaches social strategies that are inherently pro-civilization. Everything that is considered a sin is inherently against civilization.
How did China manage to make a civilisation then?
China still has its own religion. Its civilization isn't on par with what Christians have achieved but it's not a place where chaos reigns either.
By trading with us and adopting our technology. If you actually looked into China you would know its all extreme propaganda most of the territories there are in extreme poverty hell they still even eat people.
This is also true. What China is good at among other things is making itself appear better than it is and I've been told this by people who actually live there.
This homie cant be real
>The 2 centuries of pagan Pax Romana were considerable more peaceful than all of Christian Europe
God help us
This is Christian influence. A few thousand years ago the people you think peaceful would've acted like Black folk.
Religion is a way to turn beasts into people.
Doesn't seem to be working very well for non-whites, especially when notably non-religious East Asians are the most civilised of them by far.
Except there are other religions they follow and they're not the most civilized either, nor do they have as many accomplishments as Christian first world countries.
First world doing an awful lot of the heavy lifting in this post. Where are the non-first world Christian acheivements? Surely there must be loads if Christianity is the causal factor.
Atheism would make impoverished countries even worse than they are.
They would never become atheist because they are full of low-IQ mongs, which is both why they are incredibly religious and impoverished.
And yet they don't have the same levels of degeneracy present in the first world since it has become more and more atheist. Interesting.
>country that hasn't been subdued by the civilizing aspects of Christianity vs. country that has been subdued by the civilizing aspects of Christianity
Thanks for proving the point.
Ethiopia has been Christian longer than Europe, why isn't it full of luxury?
>he thinks luxury is only materialistic
There is only one God and Karl is his prophet.
Have my gold, damn you! You've won the internet for the date xD
so give it to me straight- is he an atheist or not?
I actually saw him last week. He sounded like a Christian, but at the same time I feel like he's become one and just refuses to openly state it so he can differentiate himself from a preacher for branding purposes. But maybe he is still in the "God isn't literally real but is an idea that is crucial for civilization to function" phase.
I believe it's the latter- a "Cultural Christian" like the Dawkins pic an anon posted earlier.
Or he is but he's a shekel goblin and doesn't want to say it out of fear of alienating his audience that isn't.
did he ever use his platform to spread the gospel of salvation, by for example quoting John 3:16, or did he tiptoe around the subject?
Christianity is "Do unto others as you have them do unto you"
If you are against this then you are a corrupt being and don't belong in existence.
Simple as.
>the second that atheism could become normalized, widespread, and casually discussed for the first time in history atheists ruined it by being themselves
it wasn't meant to be
I honestly don't know why people shill atheism that much like it will change anything for the better in some major way. There's plenty of atheism in the world as is. And what came of it?
It's fine, this is all just a filtering process to find beings with free will, that God can trust in his kingdom.
If you deny Christ's very simple teachings of "respect one another" then you are clearly a corrupted being and don't belong.
What I don't get is why atheists focus so much on Christianity over actual issues that plague society, as if Christianity is preaching that you have to be a bad person.
What's even funnier is that it's always Christianity which is the problem and never any other religion.