OOOOOOOOOHHHHHHH

They were the slaves, to Sauron.

It's called honor you filthy Gaijin.

>slave soldiers
>honour
lol

>slave soldiers

That's literally not correct. He called and they answered willingly. They had enough autonomy that the Blue Wizards undercut Sauron's influence and kept every tribe from responding.

Unless they were trapped, a last stand is moronic.

>why would you fight to the death for evil after your leader is dead? that's real moronic.

As opposed to what? Surrender and be executed or enslaved? The Easterlings were there because they worshiped Sauron as an avatar of Melkor, and because there was millenia of hatred between them and Gondor.

Their culture in general seems to be a mix of asiatic and middle eastern stuff, so its possible that surrender is considered greatly dishonorable.

Live to fight another day.

Some did:
>And the King pardoned the Easterlings that had given themselves up, and sent them away free, and he made peace with the peoples of Harad

They weren't slaves.

>slave soldiers

That's literally not correct. He called and they answered willingly. They had enough autonomy that the Blue Wizards undercut Sauron's influence and kept every tribe from responding.

>worship Sauron
They're slaves of his evil. Ergo why they fought to the death pointlessly. Little Sarbots.

>The rest decided it was better to fight.
Nope, some surrendered:

Unless they were trapped, a last stand is moronic.

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Live to fight another day.

Some did:
>And the King pardoned the Easterlings that had given themselves up, and sent them away free, and he made peace with the peoples of Harad

[...]
[...]
>worship Sauron
They're slaves of his evil. Ergo why they fought to the death pointlessly. Little Sarbots.

>>And the King pardoned the Easterlings that had given themselves up, and sent them away free, and he made peace with the peoples of Harad

Meaning there was no point to fight to the death.

>Easterlings who gave up were pardoned and set free
lol imagine being one of the cucked ones who dies *AFTER* Sauron is beaten while all the smart ones get away

Exactly.

You should unironically have a nice day, you stand for nothing, you live for nothing

Now all that’s left for you is to die for nothing

>if you don't fight to the death for the lost cause of genocide and imposing slavery you stand for nothing
LMAO

Ah. An atheist. No wonder you can't understand basic concepts in LotR.

>worships a israelite on a stick
Ah, nu/pol/

>Easterlings who gave up were pardoned and set free
lol imagine being one of the cucked ones who dies *AFTER* Sauron is beaten while all the smart ones get away

Ah. An atheist. No wonder you can't understand basic concepts in LotR.

What does fierce in despair mean?

A bunch gave up, so not-so-cornered wolves that got to go home and live their lives for themselves.

>He's a pagan

Lmao

Your gods were turned into churches Varg

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Also literally this. Their religion focused on venerating the devil.

>pagan
Top kek, keep trying, Christcuck. Your churches are turning into gay nightclubs.

Neither do you, apparently. Which is weird since you live on Cinemaphile.

You worship trees lmao

>worshiping trees
lol makes as much sense as worshiping a dead israelite on a stick
keep trying

Don’t tell me you are an agnostic?

Being proud of being an indecisive fence sitter isn’t anything to be proud about

>agnostic
eww no

Tell me more, Cinemaphile sifu. Who are you benefiting right now?

>Do as I say
Gonna go ahead and say "no", you're not really a person to take sriously

You seem desperate to jump to conclusions since you can't be taken seriously.

Guessing if you’re a master or slave is a mentality of a slave. You should rather just live and not give a frick about „high concepts” made up by lolcows of the past who killed themselves over stupid shit

>You worship something that never existed
but i'm not a christian, or whatever you seem to be obsessing over in your head.

Sounds to me like you’re a massive fricking homosexual then, maybe instead of trying to find an obscure religion to flex on internet randos you should try finding some b***hes instead?
Better yet, don’t find b***hes, We don’t need your genes polluting the world

Too late for that. And I was never flexing my religion, this simp

Ah. An atheist. No wonder you can't understand basic concepts in LotR.

tried to meaninglessly flex his first and fell flat. I never even mentioned any real life religions.

You worship trees lmao

He's a neopagan

Some did give up, so....

Haven't you read your Nietzsche? You seem the type. Can you guess if you're a master or a slave?

Nothing more pathetic than a slave dying for his master's cause after his master is basically dead

If you’re suggesting I am proposing the ideas of that c**t Epikuros then you can go frick yourself, I’m talking about not stressing over your position, since ultimately there will always be both people below and above you. You can take their place, but you won’t escape the pyramid

I agree, but lemme tell you, Epikuros was a b***h ass c**t, a disgusting piece of shit shaped like a flabby unappealing man, a foul rotten disgusting thing unworthy of being called human, he and his followers should without irony go kill themselves, making this world a better place

You talking about the Pyramid thing? Or the Epikuros thing?

>a slave

We're the Rohiirim slaves for choosing to show up and help? They literally chose to come. It was free choice.

from their point of view Gondor was evil

>Honour
>fighting for Sauron to enslave the world
kek

What power vacuum? It's a last stand, the case has been made that they're actively fighting to the death.

Again. They weren't slaves.
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>You should rather just live and not give a frick about „high concepts
Eat, drink, and be merry. Yes. I've heard this somewhere before.

Except they were slaves to Sauron's influence and teachings.

>a slave

We're the Rohiirim slaves for choosing to show up and help? They literally chose to come. It was free choice.

Were the Rohirrim fighting to impose slavery on Middle Earth and planning on consuming the slain? No? Exactly, moron.

Tell me about the honor of the slave expanding his master's dominion over the literal Free Peoples of Middle Earth. I'll wait.

>Except they were slaves to Sauron's influence and teachings.
And that's how all this started. Your implication that sincere belief equates to slavery.

No, it started with me mocking the morons who thought it worth fighting to the death for Sauron after his defeat and laughing at the no-books here who didn't know that the ones who surrendered instead were pardoned and set free.

ok

>Tell me about the honor of the slave expanding his master's dominion over the literal Free Peoples of Middle Earth. I'll wait.

>Bash the Fash! Hope not Hate!

>switches tactics to soijack posting
lol looks like you're done here

>

>Tell me about the honor of the slave expanding his master's dominion over the literal Free Peoples of Middle Earth. I'll wait.

>Bash the Fash! Hope not Hate! #
tactics to soijack posting
>lol looks like you're done here

I think this convo is stupid and all you’re trying to do is strawman eachother… at least that’s how it looks like from my perspective. I think you should try chilling for a sec and return to the point of the discussion: „is dying fighting more honourable than giving up and getting clemency?”

Can you just scooch over a bit?

Can you just scooch over a bit?

Are people here still LARPing as Christians?

I thought that was a Trump era thing.

>you're just part of a feudal or tribal warband
Why phrase it like that? Would a state army be a level better?

I'm not sure how the Haradrim governed themselves actually.

You are a literal larper and pseudointellectual.

He's schizo

>I'm merely trying to point out that disciplined soldiers and officers will undoubtedly fight to the death.

>And the King pardoned the Easterlings that had given themselves up, and sent them away free, and he made peace with the peoples of Harad

You're young and probably haven't even read the books, so I'm guessing you're projecting while failing in your argument.

>Also they had no reason to expect mercy you dimwit.

Why not, moron? They had experienced it in past wars.

I am young (27), and I have no grand scheme or plot to argue.
Just passing on my opinion, something for you to dwell on.

You seem overly focused on age instead of developing a good argument. You should work on that.

It's bizarre that you have things so backwards when idealism such as honourable death in battle is more commonly associated with the young while cynicism is generally associated with older men who have lived through things.
But you did admit you're young, anon. That explains your confusion.

My age is one hundred and eleven years old

I don't know half of you anons half as well as I should like; and I like less than half of you half as well as you deserve.

I am young (27), and I have no grand scheme or plot to argue.
Just passing on my opinion, something for you to dwell on.

>honor doesn't exist and is stupid!
>I hate romantic themes in my fantasy! Where's the Gore and killing!?!

Good little zoomer.

>someone else's war

How was it not their war? They wanted to destroy Gondor you buffoon.

You are obsessed

>How was it the war of the common easterling?

Lol he's applying modern morality to medieval fantasy wars

>muh slaves

You seem really hung up on this. Are you black? Also it also would have removed their main rival. Gondor would be gone. You don't seem to grasp they were aiming to destroy it.

>They promise to die for Sauron so he could have more slaves? What’s honorable about that?
The state of Mordor? What’s it’s currency? It’s tax policy? You’re talking about the organs of a functioning state so provide some answers

George? Has your dementia finally kicked in?

Maybe their concept of honour is different to yours, ever thought about that? They're fighting to the death to honour their word or get revenge or whatever - just because in the grand scheme of things their actions are wrong doesnt mean they're gonna suddenly abandon their culture's idea of honour.

>have more slaves?
Why are you so fixated on this? Sauron promised order.
>The state of Mordor? What’s it’s currency? It’s tax policy?
Presumably precious metal based currency. They kept slaves in Umbar and traded with the East and South.

>What about their desires?
They should have fought harder or allied with Sauron.

So if the devil leads Nazi Germany to sack Poland, you argue that's ok because of geopolitics and the Nazis still have honour?

Um actually bro, it was a complex geopolitical situation where the Easterlings and Southrons may have been deceived (as Frodomer pondered), or even had legitimate grievances against the west. Tolkien even writes
>"...he passed out of the knowledge of Men of the West, and went alone far into the East and deep into the South, exploring the hearts of Men, both evil and good"

That refers to the men of the East and South who explicitly *didn't* join Sauron. The ones who did are the evil men.

>So if the devil leads Nazi Germany to sack Poland, you argue that's ok because of geopolitics and the Nazis still have honour?

.....? What are you even talking about anymore. If I was a devil worshiping cultist then it would certainly make sense to help the Devil. Why is that hard to grasp?

>the nazis still have honor

The correct equivalent would be comparing them to something like Hungarians or Finns. Orcs would be the nazis in that case.

Fighting your geopolitical foes has nothing to do with having or not having honor. You seem mentally unstable.

>dodging

Because your arguments don't make sense. You are implying that if someone fights for the "baddies", then they can't have any cultural values beyond cartoon villainy. Im not sure how to deal with such a dim person. They didn't view Sauron as evil. That was a dumb view. But it's the view they have, and something tells me they don't think they are evil.

Some Nazis fought to the death. Why would they do that if they're evil??

>Dying so someone else can own more slaves is honorable because…. ?
They promised to do so.
>And what state?
In this case Mordor. But also every state. If your "country" doesn't have one then it isn't a real country. Its a protectorate.

What's honourable about promising to fight to gain slaves?

This. Anon cannot understand that honor varies across cultures. Many societies believed slavery was fine, but also believed in other chivalrous concepts.

It's a very bizzare thing he's hung up on

>they value martial honor
>uhhhh ok, then why help Mordor(smug)
>to destroy their enemies and gain plunder and expand
>Wow doesn't sound like honor huhhhh

It's annoying as shit

He literally used that as a response. I'm not making anything up.

Bruh

Tell me about the honor of the slave expanding his master's dominion over the literal Free Peoples of Middle Earth. I'll wait.

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No, it started with me mocking the morons who thought it worth fighting to the death for Sauron after his defeat and laughing at the no-books here who didn't know that the ones who surrendered instead were pardoned and set free.

So it wasn't a brave last stand, it was a desperate hope for power?
So much for honour.

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>christcuck
Didn't say that but you must be feeling it.

[...]
They are when it's a death cult worshiping a literal dark lord trying to enslave all the free peoples of middle earth. It's not exactly the Triple Entente.

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You're ok then.

What's honourable about promising to fight to gain slaves?

>What's honourable about promising to fight to gain slaves?

Nice try. But if you can't see what gain there is by destroying your main geopolitical rival then I don't know what to tell you. I also cannot help you if u are going to use gotchas and boil everything down to a society either being totally evil or totally good.

>going to bat

I'm saying they had logical reasons to side with sauron as bad guys. Im not saying they were good guys. Stop being so offended.

>Frodomer
What kind of slash fiction is this? I assume Frodo and Faramir? You're a sick man.

>it doesn't make sense in context to side with the guy promising revenge against your main rivals, who who promises a good spot for you in the new order
>oh also you think he's an avatar of your God

Seems like your the room temp

>Well they won.
I assumed we were doing hypotheticals. Sauron's victory was far more likely than the West's even without the ring.

>When did I say they weren't evil?

>What's honourable about promising to fight to gain slaves?

Nice try. But if you can't see what gain there is by destroying your main geopolitical rival then I don't know what to tell you. I also cannot help you if u are going to use gotchas and boil everything down to a society either being totally evil or totally good.

>boil everything down to a society either being totally evil or totally good

What do you care if I say they're evil then? Suddenly they're evil to you?

>So if the devil leads Nazi Germany to sack Poland, you argue that's ok because of geopolitics and the Nazis still have honour?
Why is everything 100% with you? There were Nazis in WWII that fought honorably. Anyone denying that is doing it for religious reasons.

Answer the question. Do Nazis still have honour? Yes or no? I'm waiting.

/pol/ack reveals himself

what form of honour do nazis have? what the frick.

>loyalty
To what? They betrayed Germany to evil and ended up surrendering that cause in the end too.
>bravery
What bravery is there in annihilating 11 million people in death camps?
>duty
To evil? How is that honorable?
>self sacrifice
Most of them gave up and then tried to blame others.

???

>star wars memes
The height of your arguments.

And yet you chose to argue when someone saw something as not honorable

And you’re saying his take on honor is wrong

You should have thought on that when anon said he saw the Haradrim as not honourable.

Yes. Its better than war. But if it comes right down to it I'll kill you and all your countryman over our differing belief systems.

>muh 11 million

according to what?

Rape of Nanking not everyone is some evil monster learn some history brainlet

>What do you care if I say they're evil then? Suddenly they're evil to you?

You are arguing with 5 different people at once your schizophrenic troll.

When did I say I cared if you called them evil? Are you saying evil people can't have honor? What kind of moronic reddit view is that?

>walking back

Pilpul

>into thinking dying is honorable.
Yea man. We should all like hold hands a sing a song. Then we'll have world peace. I want to buy the world a coke...I functioning military is a requirement for any state which wants to claim the title of state.

>Only young idiots believe in dumb shit like dying honorably in someone else’s war.
This is why we can't have nice things. Boomers ruined everything.

>Honour has always been a moronic concept
upvoted

>Finland and Romania were Germany's slaves in ww2, not willing participants

Do you see how this doesn't work?

>comparing Hitler to Sauron

Nice one Twitter

>Tell me about the honor of the slave expanding his master's dominion over the literal Free Peoples of Middle Earth. I'll wait.

>Bash the Fash! Hope not Hate!

He's using the logic that because they morally wrong yet convinced of their rightness they are slaves.

>Except they were slaves to Sauron's influence and teachings.
And that's how all this started. Your implication that sincere belief equates to slavery.

So it wasn't a brave last stand, it was a desperate hope for power?
So much for honour.

>you're done here christcuck

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tactics to soijack posting
>lol looks like you're done here

>christcuck
Didn't say that but you must be feeling it.

Military allies are not slaves.

They are when it's a death cult worshiping a literal dark lord trying to enslave all the free peoples of middle earth. It's not exactly the Triple Entente.

For the record I haven't been soijack posting.

You're ok then.

You seem very young and idealistic, late teens or early twenties maybe; point is that there are definite deals in place with the Easterlings, both political and in terms of post-war spoils.
It isn't as black and white as you make it out to be.

lol
>"Rally, men, rally! We fight to the last, bleeding our foe ten times over for every one of us that fall!"
>"Psst, Bob, make a letter to my castellan. In case I live and Fred dies, I claim his mud castle."
>"Anyway, YES MEN, NOW WE FIGHT TO THE LAST!"
seriously LMAO

I'm not sure how the Haradrim governed themselves actually.

Judging from the information in the appendices it doesn't appear to have been a state level organisation

You are a literal larper and pseudointellectual.

That's the tack that better matches your argument.

>>"Rally, men, rally! We fight to the last, bleeding our foe ten times over for every one of us that fall!"
>>"Psst, Bob, make a letter to my castellan. In case I live and Fred dies, I claim his mud castle."
>>"Anyway, YES MEN, NOW WE FIGHT TO THE LAST!"

This read like an Oglaf comic.

And they would know this how? Did he send everyone an email? By what logic would they expect mercy?

They could've used the eagles to drop letters like planes in WW2

Did the Woses have a king?

Denethor doesn’t make any questionable decisions in the books, in fact he puts a lot of effort into preparing for the attack. He just sees it all as hopeless, but he still tries until Faramir “dies” at which point he decides to an hero

Wouldn't it be weird of predators went where the prey was? Teachers have a higher rate, etc. That being said the Catholic Church has a massive problem and they've handled it poorly. Child rape in church should the 0%. Bold stance I know.

Not a good sign that you can't answer...

Christianity is so weird. Worshiping a god who raped a child.

>While unproven, some apocryphal accounts state that at the time of her betrothal to Joseph, Mary was 12–14 years old. According to ancient israeli custom, Mary could have been betrothed at about 12. Hyppolitus of Thebes says that Mary lived for 11 years after the death of her son Jesus, dying in 41 AD
Google is hard. Are you hoping this will be a gotcha? It won't work.

Why do you impose your modern liberalisms on God?

>science isn't punished by death.
Have you really be posting bait this long or are you actually moronic?

There is nothing wrong with burning heretics. Especially ordained heretics. He wasn't killed for "Science!". He was killed for his heresies.

>Thank God that churches don't run things anymore
Wrong. Its just a different religion.

>Giordano Bruno
>Starting in 1593, Bruno was tried for heresy by the Roman Inquisition on charges of denial of several core Catholic doctrines, including eternal damnation, the Trinity, the divinity of Christ, the virginity of Mary, and transubstantiation. Bruno's pantheism was not taken lightly by the church,[5] nor was his teaching of the transmigration of the soul (reincarnation). The Inquisition found him guilty, and he was burned at the stake in Rome's Campo de' Fiori in 1600. After his death, he gained considerable fame, being particularly celebrated by 19th- and early 20th-century commentators who regarded him as a martyr for science, although most historians agree that his heresy trial was not a response to his cosmological views but rather a response to his religious and afterlife views
Yikes.

I would have said 16. No one cares about the age of Mary really. You'd have to be interested in israeli marriage customs in that era. Its well accepted she was under 18 though. Most women were. 18 is a meme number anyways. Half of America is 16. Mexico is fricking 12.

What's the appropriate age? 35? My grandma was married at 16. Grandpa was 25. Lived happily ever after. 5 kids.

I believe women should wait until they are 35 (that office career is important!) and then have one weak, autistic child. That's how to run a society.

>when the God of Christians
lmaos oh no its a poo

Could God mock Himself?