Definitely GOAT, I know a lot of folks loved his Question, Batman, Lantern, Arrow & many other contributions to the genre but I'm a big proponent of his run on Iron Man. He really put Stark & Rhodes through some serious messed up shit, & made Demon in a Bottle look like a child's fairy tale compared to the complexities of the addiction & what it does to a human spirit (as a former addict himself, I'm sure it was cathartic for O'Neil to ponder those themes & try to find a semblance of light for a noble cracked hero that's been locked in the dark woods of addiction for way too long).
Gave us a pretty cool Question run and gave Green Arrow a personality (that works best when other characters acknowledge how obnoxious he can be) but his seething over Batman/Spawn is still hilarious to me
>but his seething over Batman/Spawn is still hilarious to me
Context? Never heard about this.
Denny thought Batman was above all that edgelord crap that was popular at the time. He basically made Azbats as strawman to Spawn.
[...]
He's against Batman ever using lethal force so he got pissed when Miller drew Batman lodging a Batarang at Simmons' face
>He is tough, but not brutal. He uses violence willingly and often, but never to excess, and never with pleasure. He does not enjoy it. And he never kills. Let's repeat that for the folks in the balcony: Batman never kills. The trauma which created his obsession also generated in him a reverence for that most basic of values, the sacredness of human life. If he was not consumed with the elimination of crime, he would not be the Batman. And if he did not consider human life inviolable, he would not be the Batman, either.
Basically, Denny thought Batman wouldn't do a petty move like that. He let Frank Miller get away with having Batman be more brutal in DKR because it was an AU. Image handled the spawn crossover with McFarlane so Denny had no say.
Here's Denny's batbible from the 90's, it's an interesting read
http://theotherscottpeterson.blogspot.com/2021/05/the-batbible.html
Nah this is before they let it get that bad; albeit the two worst Joker crimes were under his watch(Jason and TKJ). I don't think he handled TKJ directly but he incorporated it in mainstream Batman comics.
>The original editor, Len Wein, left the company, and was replaced by Dennis O'Neil, a "very hands-off sort of guy", with whom Bolland only recalls having one conversation about the book.
>In a 2004 interview with Wizard magazine, Moore was also critical about his decision to disable Barbara Gordon: "I asked DC if they had any problem with me crippling Barbara Gordon – who was Batgirl at the time – and if I remember, I spoke to Len Wein, who was our editor on the project... [He] said, 'Yeah, okay, cripple the b***h'. It was probably one of the areas where they should've reined me in, but they didn't"
11 months ago
Anonymous
Denny O'Neil hated silver age crap so much he brutally killed the original Batwoman and he was the one responsible for keeping Barbara in the chair all that time because he hated the idea of her as Batgirl (letting Puckett write a number of "why Babsgirl sucks" issues in the 90s). As soon as he left, they started taking steps to bring her back.
Yeah, the first page of Spawn/Batman even says as much, but Denny found a normal-aged Batman's ridiculous mega-butthole behavior distasteful, just as many people found that same behavior distasteful in All Star Batman and Robin until they caught on that Miller was intentionally shitposting. In Year One, Batman behaved seriously.
>He is celibate. Any kind of sexual involvement would take thought and energy away from his mission. He appreciates women, even admires them, but he cannot afford intimacy.
I respect the frick out of him. His writing wasn't always groundbreaking and there's some old conventions that do date his pre-80's work, but he clearly was a solid writer. One thing I dislike a bout a lot of 70's/80's generation writers is that it's cleat by then fanboy writers started taking over, and they start writing this convoluted drivel that has no center or basis in reality. I always think of writers like Roy Thomas or Marv Wolfman who'd write really stupid continuity wank like Black Canary's origin where she's her mother in her daughter's body from another universe. Basically high opera where the characters are just pawns for the story instead of really getting into their heads,a nd if we did they were very stock type characters. O'Neil always kept things with a human element and the characters were the important part; they weren't just players to big shenanigans. It's a healthy amount of old detective/crime novel influence, where even when the case is flimsy they're page turners because of the main character
Plus reading his Question run as a preteen introduced me to a lot of books and writers that helped educate me in things beyond comics and anime.
It took me a while to realize that a lot of my problems with Batman these days come from losing the street element that I always considered intrinsic to his character, and I think that way because of Denny
And maybe it's not that intrinsic because Batman spent a lot of years going to space too but it feels wrong that nobody wants to write street level heroes on the streets anymore
He made the novelizations of Batman Begins and The Dark Knight. In Batman Begins, he makes it clear through narration that Ras Al Ghul is hundreds of years old and is motivated by wanting to make Bruce his heir, like the comics. Just thought that was funny
Graham Nolan was on a podcast a few months ago and he talked about how Dennis was kind of embarrassed by that run because Neal adams took it upon himself to basically rewrite everything. Which makes sense if you know a bit about Neal adams.
Especially around this time where Neal was all into topical issues, and he has the subtlety of a hand grenade
Let's be honest though, Denny was embarrassed by that run because it made him think he was such king shit he became a raging alcoholic and destroyed his marriage
But we wouldn't have Demon in a Bottle or The Question without it
yellow flash 2
You don't need to watch it, it's pretty straining to watch some old guys complaining for 4 hours. I think it was like 2 hours into the episode he was on. I should send a question on either his or Chuck Dixon's podcast about it because it's interesting if it is true.
>fat Irish drunk >ousted from Marvel because Shooter wouldn't tolerate his bullshit >simps for nigs >simps for gays >wrote the most boring stretch of Batman comics pre-IC >everyone sucks his dick because of his overrated Question run
the most boring stretch of Batman comics pre-IC
imagine thinking anything post Denny editorial era besides Morrison and Dini is truly great.
The last 10 years of Batman have been a waste.
I once heard at a con that he could bench about 300lbs in his 20’s. Do you think that’s true? He doesn’t seem like a big guy but I’ve only ever seen him older
Definitely GOAT, I know a lot of folks loved his Question, Batman, Lantern, Arrow & many other contributions to the genre but I'm a big proponent of his run on Iron Man. He really put Stark & Rhodes through some serious messed up shit, & made Demon in a Bottle look like a child's fairy tale compared to the complexities of the addiction & what it does to a human spirit (as a former addict himself, I'm sure it was cathartic for O'Neil to ponder those themes & try to find a semblance of light for a noble cracked hero that's been locked in the dark woods of addiction for way too long).
One of the best mainstream comic writers of all time. Made definitive runs for Batman, Question and Iron Man, did a great run for Daredevil.
When anons try to say that the Iron Man comics were never good I know immediately they never read O’Neil’s.
Gave us a pretty cool Question run and gave Green Arrow a personality (that works best when other characters acknowledge how obnoxious he can be) but his seething over Batman/Spawn is still hilarious to me
>but his seething over Batman/Spawn is still hilarious to me
Context? Never heard about this.
Denny thought Batman was above all that edgelord crap that was popular at the time. He basically made Azbats as strawman to Spawn.
He's against Batman ever using lethal force so he got pissed when Miller drew Batman lodging a Batarang at Simmons' face
>He is tough, but not brutal. He uses violence willingly and often, but never to excess, and never with pleasure. He does not enjoy it. And he never kills. Let's repeat that for the folks in the balcony: Batman never kills. The trauma which created his obsession also generated in him a reverence for that most basic of values, the sacredness of human life. If he was not consumed with the elimination of crime, he would not be the Batman. And if he did not consider human life inviolable, he would not be the Batman, either.
Basically, Denny thought Batman wouldn't do a petty move like that. He let Frank Miller get away with having Batman be more brutal in DKR because it was an AU. Image handled the spawn crossover with McFarlane so Denny had no say.
Here's Denny's batbible from the 90's, it's an interesting read
http://theotherscottpeterson.blogspot.com/2021/05/the-batbible.html
>lets Joker get away with casually killing 67 on a slow day
Nah this is before they let it get that bad; albeit the two worst Joker crimes were under his watch(Jason and TKJ). I don't think he handled TKJ directly but he incorporated it in mainstream Batman comics.
No he was editor for TKJ.
>The original editor, Len Wein, left the company, and was replaced by Dennis O'Neil, a "very hands-off sort of guy", with whom Bolland only recalls having one conversation about the book.
>In a 2004 interview with Wizard magazine, Moore was also critical about his decision to disable Barbara Gordon: "I asked DC if they had any problem with me crippling Barbara Gordon – who was Batgirl at the time – and if I remember, I spoke to Len Wein, who was our editor on the project... [He] said, 'Yeah, okay, cripple the b***h'. It was probably one of the areas where they should've reined me in, but they didn't"
Denny O'Neil hated silver age crap so much he brutally killed the original Batwoman and he was the one responsible for keeping Barbara in the chair all that time because he hated the idea of her as Batgirl (letting Puckett write a number of "why Babsgirl sucks" issues in the 90s). As soon as he left, they started taking steps to bring her back.
Miller considers all his Batman work to take place in his personal AU though.
Yeah, the first page of Spawn/Batman even says as much, but Denny found a normal-aged Batman's ridiculous mega-butthole behavior distasteful, just as many people found that same behavior distasteful in All Star Batman and Robin until they caught on that Miller was intentionally shitposting. In Year One, Batman behaved seriously.
>He is celibate. Any kind of sexual involvement would take thought and energy away from his mission. He appreciates women, even admires them, but he cannot afford intimacy.
You can't be a based old man without seething about something, it's almost required.
Like his 70s Batman.
Dislike Green Lantern/Green Arrow.
Dislike his run on The Question.
I respect the frick out of him. His writing wasn't always groundbreaking and there's some old conventions that do date his pre-80's work, but he clearly was a solid writer. One thing I dislike a bout a lot of 70's/80's generation writers is that it's cleat by then fanboy writers started taking over, and they start writing this convoluted drivel that has no center or basis in reality. I always think of writers like Roy Thomas or Marv Wolfman who'd write really stupid continuity wank like Black Canary's origin where she's her mother in her daughter's body from another universe. Basically high opera where the characters are just pawns for the story instead of really getting into their heads,a nd if we did they were very stock type characters. O'Neil always kept things with a human element and the characters were the important part; they weren't just players to big shenanigans. It's a healthy amount of old detective/crime novel influence, where even when the case is flimsy they're page turners because of the main character
Plus reading his Question run as a preteen introduced me to a lot of books and writers that helped educate me in things beyond comics and anime.
It took me a while to realize that a lot of my problems with Batman these days come from losing the street element that I always considered intrinsic to his character, and I think that way because of Denny
And maybe it's not that intrinsic because Batman spent a lot of years going to space too but it feels wrong that nobody wants to write street level heroes on the streets anymore
He made the novelizations of Batman Begins and The Dark Knight. In Batman Begins, he makes it clear through narration that Ras Al Ghul is hundreds of years old and is motivated by wanting to make Bruce his heir, like the comics. Just thought that was funny
>"Bruce, ye've gotta get pished and prowl the streets of Gotham with a kosh, looking for some black bastard."
How did Nolan get away with this?
His Green Lantern run sucked ass since it was basically Ollie calling Hal a racist fascist and Hal apologizing.
Graham Nolan was on a podcast a few months ago and he talked about how Dennis was kind of embarrassed by that run because Neal adams took it upon himself to basically rewrite everything. Which makes sense if you know a bit about Neal adams.
Especially around this time where Neal was all into topical issues, and he has the subtlety of a hand grenade
Let's be honest though, Denny was embarrassed by that run because it made him think he was such king shit he became a raging alcoholic and destroyed his marriage
But we wouldn't have Demon in a Bottle or The Question without it
What podcast was it?
yellow flash 2
You don't need to watch it, it's pretty straining to watch some old guys complaining for 4 hours. I think it was like 2 hours into the episode he was on. I should send a question on either his or Chuck Dixon's podcast about it because it's interesting if it is true.
The only liberal I respect.
Dropped.
You've never read his comics have you?
Barry would have called him uppity Black
I thought that was a fricking joke. You mean he was serious?
Honestly I consider that run his worst work. WAY too preachy. You almost wouldn’t believe he’s the guy that wrote some of the all time runs.
Boomer hippie homosexual.
yeah, but I still like him
HIs Question run alone puts him in my top five of all time.
How? It's not even a particularly good comic.
Yeah, he's great
>fat Irish drunk
>ousted from Marvel because Shooter wouldn't tolerate his bullshit
>simps for nigs
>simps for gays
>wrote the most boring stretch of Batman comics pre-IC
>everyone sucks his dick because of his overrated Question run
the most boring stretch of Batman comics pre-IC
imagine thinking anything post Denny editorial era besides Morrison and Dini is truly great.
The last 10 years of Batman have been a waste.
Created the Batman people give a shit about today. Without him, Batman would have gone the way of Superman and Wonder Woman.
I once heard at a con that he could bench about 300lbs in his 20’s. Do you think that’s true? He doesn’t seem like a big guy but I’ve only ever seen him older
The Question is honestly not that good. Sorry.