It's honestly really funny and I don't think any of the writers truly understand how close they're getting to sharing the same intellectual space as some fricked up shit. I wonder how long until that X-gay post that dumbass Mystique picture
Yakub is said to have been born in Okkara at a time when 30% of original mutant people were "dissatisfied". He was a member of the Okkaran branch of the Tribe of Akkaba. Yakub acquired the nickname "big head", because of his unusually large head and his arrogance. At the age of six, he discovered how the celestials created life on earth by playing with his own vomit.
>By the age of 18, he had exhausted all the knowledge of Earth's universities. He then discovered the existence of the X-gene and how mutants contained both celestial and terrestrial DNA. With his "59,999 followers" he departed for "a land beyond the reach of time" (this place is believed to be the Savage Land) where he enacted a despotic regime and set about breeding out the celestial DNA. After 200 years, the Inhuman race was created.
>Yakub died at the age of 152 but his followers carried on his work. After 600 years of deliberate eugenics, flatscans we're created. The brutal conditions of their creation determined the evil nature of their race. They were made by nature to be a liar and a murderer.
>The new race travelled to Okkara where they caused so much trouble that they were exiled to the continent of Afrikka. Once they were there, they were fenced in to "keep them out of paradise".
>For many years, they lived a barbaric life, living in caves and eating raw meat, but they were eventually drawn out of their caves by En Sabah Nur who taught them to wear clothes and build pyramids. En Sabah Nur tried to civilize them, but he eventually gave up and cut down the 300 most troublesome of them with the Scarab sword.
>However, the flatscans had learned to use "tricknology": a plan to use their lack of empathy, emotion, and trickery to usurp power and enslave the mutant population.
Krakoa is mutant hotep where they believe ancient mutants ruled the Earth and were destined for greatest if it weren't for the cavemen with sticks and stones that prevented them from dominating the Earth.
2 years ago
Anonymous
That little piece of fiction that Anon made was actually based on the Nation of Islam's teaching which funny enough is more or less the black nationalist's Islamic equivalent to Mormonism both have really fricked up and moronic race based creation myths and are treated as the red headed American step child of their respective parent religion. Fun fact the Nation of Islam is where the term "White Devils" come from
That little piece of fiction that Anon made was actually based on the Nation of Islam's teaching which funny enough is more or less the black nationalist's Islamic equivalent to Mormonism both have really fricked up and moronic race based creation myths and are treated as the red headed American step child of their respective parent religion. Fun fact the Nation of Islam is where the term "White Devils" come from
>Some of the new flatscan race "tried to breed themselves back into the mutant nation, but they had nothing to go by." As a result, they became Morlocks. "A few were lucky enough to make a start, and got as far as what you call the morlock. In fact, all of the super-powered flatscans are from this 5,000 year history of the flatscans."
We've already had threads pointing out that Krakoa already fits multiple definitions of fascism, shares a lot of ethos with Nazism, and glorifies colonial exploitation and imperialism.
Why does capeshit writers failing at math surprise you? Capeshit writers think artificial insemination is cloning. Capeshit writers pull various bullshit out of their ass to justify why the hero shouldn't kill the mass murdering/serial killing villain.
>Capeshit writers think artificial insemination is cloning.
To be fair, X-23's cartoon origin is that she's basically the mutant equivalent to a Jurassic Park dinosaur, a clone with a few bits of DNA from a secondary source. Her being a test tube baby of Wolverine and Sara Kinney came later.
>We've already had threads pointing out that Krakoa already fits multiple definitions of fascism, shares a lot of ethos with Nazism, and glorifies colonial exploitation and imperialism.
Link?
>We've already had threads pointing out that Krakoa already fits multiple definitions of fascism, shares a lot of ethos with Nazism, and glorifies colonial exploitation and imperialism
I've been to those threads, fricking wild ass ride. Hate how they couch everything with this liberal progressive bullshit while the writers are fricking crypto fash
There is going to be so many Xandra corpses by the end of this, she'll fill a graveyard by herself.
Thinking about this for a second, why don't the Shi'ar already have this? Krakoan resurrection is just a telepathic transfer of memories into a clone body, that's shit the Shi'ar can already accomplish. The Kree could do it too, and they wouldn't even need the telepath.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Because the X-writers are trading resurrection via cloning of a new body as something totally innovative and hasnt done before. Jackal was recently doing this as well. And unlike Krakoa, he didn't require 5 very specific mutants to pull it off.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Hasn't Stark done this twice before the Krakoa era? Once with his own body, and once with Rhodey's?
2 years ago
Anonymous
Yep he did, it's why Rhody is back after being murdered by Bendis. Speaking of Tony Stark dude's on his third maybe fourth life right now
2 years ago
Anonymous
Could have sworn one of the data pages in HoXPoX specified they were ripping off the Shi'ar's cloning tech, and that they got the idea from when they swapped Xavier over to a clone to rid him of a Brood infection.
2 years ago
Anonymous
's it actually cloning? 'Cus I was just watching an old episode of Stargate: SG-1 and they were discussing the Asgard's problem with gene fading. Unless they do another ass-pull, eventually they're going to reach a point of diminishing returns.
2 years ago
Anonymous
> problem with gene fading. Unless they do another ass-pull, eventually they're going to reach a point of diminishing returns.
why are you talking like this is a real thing
2 years ago
Anonymous
Obviously it's not but it's something a lot of other fiction manages to address at some point. Eh, it's just more bad comic book science that needs to be viciously satirized.
In the real world as long as the original genetic sample is intact it won't be an issue. While there might be some genetic variation in the clone itself the solution is to use the original sample for the cloning rather than cloning a clone.
Probably wouldn't be an issue if they were simply using the genome as a blueprint either, though I'm not sure if that's still cloning. I'm assuming they pick up from the last "save" which implies at least the memory is being sampled continually.
2 years ago
Anonymous
In the real world as long as the original genetic sample is intact it won't be an issue. While there might be some genetic variation in the clone itself the solution is to use the original sample for the cloning rather than cloning a clone.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Anything by Howard.
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Thinking about this for a second, why don't the Shi'ar already have this? Krakoan resurrection is just a telepathic transfer of memories into a clone body, that's shit the Shi'ar can already accomplish. The Kree could do it too, and they wouldn't even need the telepath.
Thats just because they need an asspull to resurrect famous mutants. There were always stories how mutants came back from the dead.
>what colonial exploitation and imperialism???
Shit where to begin >Betsy and Xcalibur trying to take over Otherworld for Krakoa, already installed Jamie Braddok of all people as ruler of Avalon >Worked as mercenaries for the Shi'ar in putting down a rebellion against Shi'ar imperial rule >Installed the current Shi'ar Empress as an immortal ruler after resurrecting her >CIA glowBlack persony in South America caused an entire country to be genocided by a monster of the X-Force's own creation >Survivors of said Genocide are turned into mind controlled puppets by beast and used to spy on or convert hostile diplomats >Mars as a whole >Storm declaring herself Regent of Sol
Do you even read the books
2 years ago
Anonymous
Don't forget that mutants also basically took over the Brood by putting Broo in the role of Brood King and decided the outcome of Snark War by killing every potential leader they had besides the one who would cater to mutants.
>We've already had threads pointing out that Krakoa already fits multiple definitions of fascism, shares a lot of ethos with Nazism, and glorifies colonial exploitation and imperialism.
It felt like there was a point to it back when Hickman was in charge and before editorial decided that this new status quo was too popular to end. I'm pretty sure it was meant to implode with the non-krakoan mutants getting the shortest end of the stick
Popular with who?
I've heard no one say anything about this or positive or negative in the mainstream.
And the few comic people left have nothing good to say about this.
They've been trying to pull shit like this for a while now, especially the whole "famous dead person was really a mutant" bullshit. Christ I wonder how far they're gonna push it we might live to see some one write a character saying Anne Frank is a mutant in an off hand comment or that the Rwanda genocide was really about killing mutants
>"famous dead person was really a mutant"
The weirdest shit about this is how it mirrors something that has been happening on and off for years. I remember in the mid 2000's there was this series of crazy claims about how every famous white person in history was either actually black, or they were only famous because they stole from blacks. And now we're getting people claiming that all historical dead people were gay, but only the ones that weren't involved in unsavory things.
Now that I think of it, you're right. 1940s-era propaganda to imply Hitler was a gay so people wouldn't like Hitler is still being used in an era when being gay is otherwise treated as a good thing. It's weird.
The Kin Crimson are a secret sect of Shi'ar whose whole job has been editing Shi'ar history so that the public doesn't know that a small handful of mutant completely humiliated and slaughtered then
So they engineered a less birdlike race of Shi'ar.
Created the Fraternity of Raptors
And the Kin Crimson themselves all use red energy constructs like Cerise and have symbiotes as their blood
>The Kin Crimson are a secret sect of Shi'ar whose whole job has been editing Shi'ar history so that the public doesn't know that a small handful of mutant completely humiliated and slaughtered then
But they were okay with >Mutants running their empire >Mutants meddling in their politics >Mutants being used as their secret police >Getting their asses beat by the Kree and Inhumans
The Kin Crimson are a secret sect of Shi'ar whose whole job has been editing Shi'ar history so that the public doesn't know that a small handful of mutant completely humiliated and slaughtered then
So they engineered a less birdlike race of Shi'ar.
Created the Fraternity of Raptors
And the Kin Crimson themselves all use red energy constructs like Cerise and have symbiotes as their blood
>The Kin Crimson are a secret sect of Shi'ar whose whole job has been editing Shi'ar history
I watched season 1 of star trek Picard where it had a secret sect of romulans who secretly hated androids but had never been mentioned before. And for some reason it reminded me of this.
From the point Marvel actually had the X-Men start buying into their villains' arguments that mutants were a separate race from humans, any pretense at them having anything at all to do with IRL mutation has gone out the window. They're just a separate species that calls itself "mutants" but may as well be Goddamned aliens judging by this.
Right? That's what so fricking stupid about this era. It's David Cage tier writing of moral ambiguity. Hickman and most of his followers seem to have this idea that moral ambiguity is good characters do morally reprehensible things which make no sense and are completely idiotic.
I seriously don't understand why people keep falling for the same stuff over and over again.
You know these creativity-challenged fricks are just poring over old back issues looking for ideas they can strip mine under the guise of referencing the classics.
Aaron's Avengers being around 1 million years ago was already stupid enough and contradicted continuity, but this is even worse. This comic is now claiming that there were now mutants BILLIONS OF YEARS AGO, not only long before the Celestials came to Earth, not only before there were anything even resembling hominids, but before any animals had even evolved to live on land. I hate everything about this, and I hope that unlike Aaron's bullshit all future writers ignore this, or at the very least change the timeline a little so it'll make slightly more sense.
People are guessing time travel's going to be involved. In the same issue it said that civilization vanished, and its survivors fled to the future in "temporal lifeboats". It'll probably turn out that those mutants aren't native to that time. Colonists from the future, basically.
When you are smart, is the moment you realise this doesnt work and is shit. It reads more like some esotheric fan wrote that. It reads more like science in Warhammer 40k.
I was thinking it relates to the Spider-Man 2099 story that Orlando has been writing
Humans and Corporations have poisoned the Earth in 2099 so mutants are using time travel to go back in time and start over and live in peace. Or something, this whole 2099 event is very confusing and annoying
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They haven't explained how this whole society popped up before Aaron's 100000 BC Avengers
I'm thinking time travel bullshit and these mutants are actually from the future like 2099
Remember the whole thing started with a box made of Mysterium and engraved with X-logos, but billions of years old. It's obviously a time travel thing.
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They haven't explained how this whole society popped up before Aaron's 100000 BC Avengers
I'm thinking time travel bullshit and these mutants are actually from the future like 2099
I was thinking it relates to the Spider-Man 2099 story that Orlando has been writing
Humans and Corporations have poisoned the Earth in 2099 so mutants are using time travel to go back in time and start over and live in peace. Or something, this whole 2099 event is very confusing and annoying
No, they are explicitly stating that these mutants are the direct antecedents to the modern mutant by calling them "OUR ancestors". Which does raise a massive amount of questions in regards to if the X-office wants us to even view mutants as human at this point or aliens, since they outright evolved before humanity.
The thing I don't get is HOW are a bunch of "mutants" from several billion years ago and lightyears away Earth mutants ancestors. They don't shave a common cultural or even genetic line, frick we don't even know if they have X-genes they could just be a regular mish mash of super powered weirdos. This is dumb and not in a fun way like Moon Knights haunted house base is
And this is how it ties into the Jason Aaron and Apocalypse stuff
So not aliens.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>So not aliens.
They might as well be, this is all moronic, Jordan White is possibly Marvel's greatest failure dude should be fired in shame
2 years ago
Anonymous
honestly, all the Marvel main editors kinda suck. Tom Brevort is so hands-off that he just lets writers do whatever no matter the consequence, and Nick Lowe just seems to hate the fanbase and all the characters in Spider-man, Jorden D White just seems to be incompetent with a terrible sense of fashion.
2 years ago
Anonymous
A fat man with a big single curl on the front of his forehead got terrible sense of fashion?! How shocking!!!
writers not nowing how big a billion years is, the most advance lifeform from one billion years ago IRL are sponges. The most ancient civilization on earth are about 12 thousand years old, no matter how advence they are, theshiar should have no memory of what happened so long ago.
Why does capeshit writers failing at math surprise you? Capeshit writers think artificial insemination is cloning. Capeshit writers pull various bullshit out of their ass to justify why the hero shouldn't kill the mass murdering/serial killing villain.
the one way I can rationalize this is that they were the direct result of the celestial dying on earth in Aaron's avengers run, and that they quickly died out afterwardand aren't actually the direct ancestor of anybody alive today.
>Billions of years in the past
Which means at least 2 billion years ago. Which means mutants predate not just humans, but primates, mammals, reptiles, all other vertebrates, arthropods, mollusks, even fricking plants and fungi.
And yet we can clearly see not just plants and mushrooms here, but also mutants who looks suspiciously like modern mammals (rat and beaver).
So, what the frick? None of that lines up with anything. This shit predates Aaron's Avengers One Million BC by several billions of years. The only way it makes any sense is
That following Celestial's death life evolved super-quick (as a direct result of fresh Celestial energies soaking into the planet) to create a mutant society and functioning ecosystem, but then all of that was wiped out completely (or almost completely, perhaps some primitive prokaryotes and eukaryotes survived) to allow life to evolve once again, but at a more natural rate (since by that time Celestial energies cooled down, decomposed and/or became more dilluted and less mutagenic).
But in this case none of these ancient mutants will have any genetic kinship to any being existing in modern times whatsoever.
So either the "billion years" caption is going to be retconned real quick or they butchered the message they were trying to send from the get-go.
>None of that lines up with anything
The Marvel timeline for shit happening on earth was a little longer than the IRL one already to account for shit like the Eternals and the Hyborian Age, but you're right, this blows that shit completely out of the water...if it's Earth.
That said last I checked, Earth's past was technically a superposition based on the beliefs of individual societies on Earth. That's how various creation myths coexist. The Japanese creation myth especially is actually sorta important cause it involves Chaos King.
Mutants were never the next step in evolution despite this massive retcon that the X-writers and X-office pulled out of their ass. Mutants were always a byproduct of the Celestials's experiment that they created and eventually forgot about.
You think decades of comics can be kept square? Marvel has had no full reboots but rolling continuity means Spider-Man couldn't have been active since the 60s.
Mutants were an experiment by Celestials with the end goal to create beings like Franklin Richards. They weren't the next step in evolution per se, but rather they were meant to take over after homosexual sapiens, like how homosexual sapiens took over after neanderthals. It's why the moment muties died off earth would have been fricked up by Celestials.
Only X-homosexuals were delusional enough to think mutants were actually important and that Celestials cared about mutants. The only mutant that the Celestials care about was Franklin Richards. As for Apocalypse, they allowed him to use their abandoned technology but they completely forgot about him for millenniums and almost never made any contact with him since.
2 years ago
Anonymous
And I mean, why do we take the Celestials as some kind of sacrosanct group?
They're autistic robot scentists, they're not a morally good force; On the contrary they don't fricking care about anyone but themselves.
If Celestials DID make Mutants, I would be more suspicious as to WHY than using that as a good measure of their worth, the whole point every time Celestials show up is to Repel them, or in God King Thor's case, murder the frick out of them.
Only X-homosexuals were delusional enough to think mutants were actually important and that Celestials cared about mutants. The only mutant that the Celestials care about was Franklin Richards. As for Apocalypse, they allowed him to use their abandoned technology but they completely forgot about him for millenniums and almost never made any contact with him since.
Are you guys just actively ignoring the Dreaming Celestial shit that went down in San fran?
2 years ago
Anonymous
In a X-book and rarely ever mentioned in a non-X-book. Even in the Eternal book, it never mention mutants nor made any claim of the importance of mutants.
2 years ago
Anonymous
So it's OK now because Aaron decides to tie in Avengers with Eternals and Celestials, and Thor being the son of Odin and the Phoenix even though none of that shows up in any of the other X-Books?
2 years ago
Anonymous
The Avengers, specifically Thor and Hercules were always involved with the Eternals and have more claim to their involvement with the Eternals than the X-men did. As for Thor being the son of Phoenix, it's literally ignore in everything but Aaron's book. Even Cates, the biggest Aaron dick sucker currently at Marvel is ignoring it.
2 years ago
Anonymous
yeah, the most relevence the eternal really had prior to the recent movie push was when Sersi was on the avengers.
2 years ago
Anonymous
I get that, what I'm trying to say is why does one franchise hold more weight over the other when they both ignore each other.
It's shouldn't matter if your and Avengers fan or an X-cuck.
2 years ago
Anonymous
I think his point is mostly that other franchises are able to use cosmic powers like the Celestials or the Phoenix Force or whatever and just use them, while the X-books keep on doing stories where the mutants of Earth are the special chosen ones who the Celestials or the Phoenix care about above all others and will ape out over the possibility of mutant extinction. There's using the Celestials in a story, and there's using them as a prop to try to make your book's characters more special and important than everything else.
2 years ago
Anonymous
This was the shit that took me out of the x-men after a while.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>Even in the Eternal book, it never mention mutants nor made any claim of the importance of mutants.
uh
and pic related?
2 years ago
Anonymous
Was referring to Gaiman's Eternals which involves the Dreaming Celestial which
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Are you guys just actively ignoring the Dreaming Celestial shit that went down in San fran?
was referring to. The current X-men and Eternals is already a massive retcon to the previous works.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>Gaiman's Eternals
The book by the literal cuck that retconned Kirby's series? Yeah, I don't give a shit about that
>Mutants were an experiment by Celestials with the end goal to create beings like Franklin Richards
where was that establish? I feel like much of the "celestial made mutants" narrative comes from earth X, which is most definitly not applicable to earth 616
The last Eternals ongoing established that the Deviants were made to cause evolution into mutants and mutates
>Mutants were an experiment by Celestials with the end goal to create beings like Franklin Richards
where was that establish? I feel like much of the "celestial made mutants" narrative comes from earth X, which is most definitly not applicable to earth 616
"The First Celestial Host!" in a Marvel What If? story, specifically this page. It's pretty much the first time Marvel bothered to outline what the Celestials were even doing on Earth. This page in particular is the first one to make implications that the celestials created the mutants by adding an unknown gene sequence to the early humans that would bring mankind to far greater heights, Earth X just solidified it as specifically the X-gene and Marvel ran with it since then. You could sincerely argue that the unknown gene sequence they stuffed into early hominids was just their capacity to mutate and gain superpowers from exposure to alien elements or even just simply evolve into homosexual sapiens, but the foundations were right there to begin with. And this shit was there since the 80s, so this new swerve is REALLY out there as far as the X-men goes.
The celestia there sought to destroy Franklin and did not treat him as their creation.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Weren't they Mad Celestials?
2 years ago
Anonymous
yes, so maybe it doesn't mean that much, but there was nothing there about Franklin being the end goal of celestial manipulation.
2 years ago
Anonymous
There are several different groups of Celestials. The Celestials, a bunch of colorful Celestials. The Aspirants, a bunch of dark color Celestials. And the Mad Celestials, 4 colorful Celestials that infected and corrupted by something.
Wasn't that wiped away by Aaron's bullshit? That the Celestials only cared about humanity evolving to be anti-bodies for them, with the Eternals and Deviants just existing to further that goal?
So if Mutants evolved before humans all that talk about homosexual Superior is nonsense and it is Humanity who are the emergant species, meaning by Magneto's own doctrine of darwinism he should be perfectly fine with Mutant Genocide.
Also, if Mutants existed Millions of years ago, why are they not the ones who shaped the Gods of Earth in their Image?
Do the X-writers realise the more and more they build up Mutants as this other-group, they basically justify the Genocides done to them?
Basically, Ancient Humans had to deal with a species who could fight off an invading spacefaring race and you think they shouldn't go full total war on them?
>Do the X-writers realise the more and more they build up Mutants as this other-group, they basically justify the Genocides done to them?
How does being the other justify genociding them? >you think they shouldn't go full total war on them?
Yeah, you warmongering knucklehead.
Because they're literally an other, with zero connection to Humanity at all, with overwhelming power able to easily wipe out humans at a moment's notice. It took 5 mutants to stop the Shi'ar, so how powerless would Humans be to them?
Because they would be literally competing for territory with early humanity, just like Krakoa effectively seeks to conquer the solar system before Humanity.
All this book does is confirm Mutants are rivals to humanity and not the same.
>Because they would be literally competing for territory with early humanity, just like Krakoa effectively seeks to conquer the solar system before Humanity.
Only if you believe modern people are just as savage as cavemen, anon.
2 years ago
Anonymous
homie some of the biggest issues we face in the west right now are due to a flood of people directly impacting the availability of Land.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Like what, anon? You're acting like diplomacy doesn't exist and all conflicts here are resolved through genocide.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Because unfortunately diplomacy rarely fricking works but fascism sure as frick does by stoking the monkey bit inside peoples brains
2 years ago
Anonymous
>Because unfortunately diplomacy rarely fricking works but fascism sure as frick does
When has fascism ever worked?
2 years ago
Anonymous
>When has fascism ever worked?
It doesn't work in the long run but it's real good at knocking shit off track and fricking things up for everyone by stoking that shitty primal part of the human mind.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Ah yes, because it's not like land and resources are issues in the Modern world at all.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>Only if you believe modern people are just as savage as cavemen
We are though as much as we hide behind the veneer of civilization we are very much savage fricking monkeys. We try to be better but more often than not there are always some group of homosexuals defaulting back to the ape ways of attacking those who are different and taking their shit for their own if you take this and go I agree anon and it's "those" people that are doing it, you missed the entire fricking point you goddamn hairless ape
2 years ago
Anonymous
I take it you have no real friendships or kinship with others if you think this about humanity.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>Defaulting to personal attacks
Anon I got family and I got friends but you can fricking look outside and see how pleanty of people just want to get into their teams, demonize the other side and just get riled up. The worst part is there are plenty of people that LOVE us being like this and actively try to make it so.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>but you can fricking look outside
I see people just getting by and making the most out of their day, not the endless warfare and bloodshed you think humanity is like. Unless you live in the projects or a third-world country right now, I don't see why you think this is what humanity's normally like.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>Unless you live in the projects or a third-world country right now
Kind of proving my point in that you not only ignore anything not outside your door but fricking dismiss it as the "projects" and "third world countries"
2 years ago
Anonymous
>Kind of proving my point in that you not only ignore anything not outside your door
What point? The average human isn't going out killing other people for primal reasons. Just because you watch the news and see a murder happen doesn't mean that's normal behavior.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>What point?
That we as a species are still savage animals as much as we pretend not to be. We can make a telescope that can seen unknown parts of the universe in incredible clarity but back on earth we're still listening to that dumbass part of our brain that says "that person different, that person bad". The fact that you can't see the irony of going Everything is fine for me" and then in the same post going "Except for those guys over there but they're not like me so I don't care"
2 years ago
Anonymous
No, anon. Humanity might be flawed, but they aren't the animals you think they are. Focusing on the worst of mankind and pretending that's what we're all like does you no favors, and it really sounds like you're trying to justify your own failings and misery by believing all of humanity is down the shitter. The thought of brotherly love and understanding between men is so alien to your life that you believe the absence of both must be the norm, when that's absolutely not the case.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>really sounds like you're trying to justify your own failings and misery
Ah yes MORE personal attacks. Anon what I'm trying to say is despite all the great things we do as a species we are still capable of falling prey to all the knee jerk stupid animal savagery that has plagued the species since day one. Trying to pretend we're better and ignore the signs that we aren't has been a detriment to humanity. No matter who we are we are all susceptible to those awful parts of us and the worst you can do as a human being is deny it. If we are to over come and actually get anywhere as a species we need to use the same intelligence that can make something as wonderous as the James Webb telescope to actually understand and overcome the monkey impulses that lead to hate and violence. It might be easy to just say "It's over there not my problem" but over "there" can become over "here" before you know it
Anon this is the Marvel universe where every alien IS a hostile fricking thread and also as much as they pretend to be different mutants ARE very much human in their way of thinking which includes racism and othering. You act like they are immune to being genocidal psychos despite a massive amount of evidence to the contrary. Also Kree kidnapping early man to probe them probably didn't help
I'll say this about Gillen: having the Narrator being The Machine, and The Machine being broken all along, making it an Unreliable Narrator, it's a nice way to leave space for other authors to ignore almost everything they don't like.
I will never forgive him for that shit, he introduced it merely to create his own version Arno Stark, and then left before actually doing anything with it and left the door open for Bendis and later Slott to add their mountains of shit to Tony.
>Short-term pockets of strange life-forms in the historical record, which always fall to extinction
I guess that can explain the bullshit in the OP. But it also begs another question: what other pockets of weird extinct life-forms were there in the past?
Until they get retconned again in a year or two. I can't think of a single thing about Marvel's cosmology and history they haven't heavily retconned in the past decade. Shit's all fricked.
>Retconning mutant origins AGAIN
They literally just fricking did this.
X-genes come from ancient Celestial diseased body fluids that were incorporated into life on earth when it eventually evolved. Flatscans lost the magic space god matter through random mutation and outbred x-gene carriers.
>4 Billion years >gives birth to all that is strange
At this point this is kinda what gave our earth living beimgs. Besides this looks like someone saw Prometheus and retconned Marvels history into it!
Alright so can someone tell me what Gillen and Aaron are trying to do with their lore?
Is this like when they were both on X-books throwing shit at each other?
Holy shit, this whole plotline spawned from Hickman has reached Clone Saga levels of moronation and retcons because like all Hickman born plotlines it made no fricking sense and only continued because critics sucked Hickman and the X-Office off for having a great plan.
Just fricking end this shit. It's so dull.
Probably watched Prometheus or Terra Nova and thought that they are weird concepts good to surprise readers!
Holy shit, this whole plotline spawned from Hickman has reached Clone Saga levels of moronation and retcons because like all Hickman born plotlines it made no fricking sense and only continued because critics sucked Hickman and the X-Office off for having a great plan.
Seriously, this gives me Mark Millar Civil War/Bendis Avengers vibes of just people keep praising it as being "fantastic examinations of morality" and "interesting stories" and in two years all those slobbering morons will go "Oh, I never liked it."
Initially it sold really well, the X-books were back on top of the sales charts. For a few months of 2019. The main X-Men book, Wolverine, and a few others continued to sell well, most other books ended up mid-chart or lower after the early issues. It isn't selling so well that the idea of a change should be unthinkable to Marvel. If anything, the sheer number of spinoff books they've launched shows they have a reasonable idea of how many titles the average fan is willing to support, and they keep trying to push far past that limit.
I don't think pre-Caveman mutants has anything to do with Hickman's story. This is just Marvel's writers being dumb. (and it had already been done in Avengers, this just pushes them even further back)
More likely they're adding glam signifiers for compatibility with Harry Styles. Lipstick and eyeliner on a man don't mean bi, that's the old rock star hotness trick, which sort of works.
More likely they're adding glam signifiers for compatibility with Harry Styles. Lipstick and eyeliner on a man don't mean bi, that's the old rock star hotness trick, which sort of works.
So is that X-Force story where a bunch of Deviant/Mutant hybrids all die horribly because their DNA couldn't be mixed without causing power instability no longer canon?
Just a sect of the Shi'ar. They basically have the planet under their thumb now because of Xandra, who've they've practically declared is the immortal ruler of the Shi'ar now.
She got killed and mindraped into being their slave. I just want a combination of Ultron to come down and force feed Magneto his own helmet because X-Men caused a soul sickness to happen with their frickery of life and death and he's decided to be a hero after digging into Pym's memories.
I hate all the magic shit that just has the human heroes master the Universe. I liked Marvel magic basically being borrowing power from some Universal force that is either opposed to some force or alien in thought and the hero is usually playing with fire because whatever thing that's letting them borrow power is fickle.
Also let Hecate be a schizo three bodied Witch that gets a new body every once in a while (Asian, African, and European one for each of the crossroads) and Wanda isn't sure if Hecate and that's why she's crazy. I just want Wanda to be constantly terrified of who she is in the back of her mind. I liked when she was a competent leader, but I'd love if she was less of a ticking bomb and more the person who skimmed into the crazy bullshit along with having Profesor X and Magneto gaslight her for years.
Or the other type of problem, where the god of magic never gets to do anything because he's on office duty except when they let him out once a year for a novelty comic. Better or worse than Wanda's poor treatment? I don't know. But it would be nice if she got to smack some mutants around after they were shitty for so long.
Are we sure we talk about mutants and not Deviants? This all feels just like repurposed Eternals story. Let me guess in the Eternals sequel we will encounter mutants instead of Deviants? So now they try to mix them? >humans first evolved
What does this even mean? So they are mutants from homosexual Erectus?
i think at this point mutants have just become the mary sue race of marvel
they were kangz, if they die celestials take everyone with them, they're persecuted so therefore they cannot be in the wrong, etc
When you're not creative enough to make something new, just go back and alter something old.
So glad I stopped getting invested in this shit. A decade ago I would have been livid but now all I do is shrug.
Lmao this veers far to close to the we wuz kangz/alienz/godz n sheeeit that you hear from race supremacists of all colors.
Of course the glory of mutant civilizations are but dirty rags compared to the heights of the interplanetary Finno-Korean civilizations.
It's honestly really funny and I don't think any of the writers truly understand how close they're getting to sharing the same intellectual space as some fricked up shit. I wonder how long until that X-gay post that dumbass Mystique picture
Yakub is said to have been born in Okkara at a time when 30% of original mutant people were "dissatisfied". He was a member of the Okkaran branch of the Tribe of Akkaba. Yakub acquired the nickname "big head", because of his unusually large head and his arrogance. At the age of six, he discovered how the celestials created life on earth by playing with his own vomit.
>By the age of 18, he had exhausted all the knowledge of Earth's universities. He then discovered the existence of the X-gene and how mutants contained both celestial and terrestrial DNA. With his "59,999 followers" he departed for "a land beyond the reach of time" (this place is believed to be the Savage Land) where he enacted a despotic regime and set about breeding out the celestial DNA. After 200 years, the Inhuman race was created.
>Yakub died at the age of 152 but his followers carried on his work. After 600 years of deliberate eugenics, flatscans we're created. The brutal conditions of their creation determined the evil nature of their race. They were made by nature to be a liar and a murderer.
>The new race travelled to Okkara where they caused so much trouble that they were exiled to the continent of Afrikka. Once they were there, they were fenced in to "keep them out of paradise".
>For many years, they lived a barbaric life, living in caves and eating raw meat, but they were eventually drawn out of their caves by En Sabah Nur who taught them to wear clothes and build pyramids. En Sabah Nur tried to civilize them, but he eventually gave up and cut down the 300 most troublesome of them with the Scarab sword.
>However, the flatscans had learned to use "tricknology": a plan to use their lack of empathy, emotion, and trickery to usurp power and enslave the mutant population.
So if Krakoa is Mutant Israel, they're Mutant Mormons
Krakoa is mutant hotep where they believe ancient mutants ruled the Earth and were destined for greatest if it weren't for the cavemen with sticks and stones that prevented them from dominating the Earth.
Just any self apartheid/chosen people society.
>Marvel
They're what ever is convenient at the time.
That little piece of fiction that Anon made was actually based on the Nation of Islam's teaching which funny enough is more or less the black nationalist's Islamic equivalent to Mormonism both have really fricked up and moronic race based creation myths and are treated as the red headed American step child of their respective parent religion. Fun fact the Nation of Islam is where the term "White Devils" come from
God fricking damn the Nation of Krakoa is a wild ass religion
Somebody was smoking some of that krakoa kush when they came up with this shit.
It's literally the Nation of Islam's bullshit beliefs. It's a joke
>Some of the new flatscan race "tried to breed themselves back into the mutant nation, but they had nothing to go by." As a result, they became Morlocks. "A few were lucky enough to make a start, and got as far as what you call the morlock. In fact, all of the super-powered flatscans are from this 5,000 year history of the flatscans."
What did they mean by this?
We've already had threads pointing out that Krakoa already fits multiple definitions of fascism, shares a lot of ethos with Nazism, and glorifies colonial exploitation and imperialism.
>Capeshit writers think artificial insemination is cloning.
To be fair, X-23's cartoon origin is that she's basically the mutant equivalent to a Jurassic Park dinosaur, a clone with a few bits of DNA from a secondary source. Her being a test tube baby of Wolverine and Sara Kinney came later.
>We've already had threads pointing out that Krakoa already fits multiple definitions of fascism, shares a lot of ethos with Nazism, and glorifies colonial exploitation and imperialism.
Link?
>We've already had threads pointing out that Krakoa already fits multiple definitions of fascism, shares a lot of ethos with Nazism, and glorifies colonial exploitation and imperialism
I've been to those threads, fricking wild ass ride. Hate how they couch everything with this liberal progressive bullshit while the writers are fricking crypto fash
what colonial exploitation and imperialism??? are you mad about the sentient island
Anything by Howard.
Thinking about this for a second, why don't the Shi'ar already have this? Krakoan resurrection is just a telepathic transfer of memories into a clone body, that's shit the Shi'ar can already accomplish. The Kree could do it too, and they wouldn't even need the telepath.
Because the X-writers are trading resurrection via cloning of a new body as something totally innovative and hasnt done before. Jackal was recently doing this as well. And unlike Krakoa, he didn't require 5 very specific mutants to pull it off.
Hasn't Stark done this twice before the Krakoa era? Once with his own body, and once with Rhodey's?
Yep he did, it's why Rhody is back after being murdered by Bendis. Speaking of Tony Stark dude's on his third maybe fourth life right now
Could have sworn one of the data pages in HoXPoX specified they were ripping off the Shi'ar's cloning tech, and that they got the idea from when they swapped Xavier over to a clone to rid him of a Brood infection.
's it actually cloning? 'Cus I was just watching an old episode of Stargate: SG-1 and they were discussing the Asgard's problem with gene fading. Unless they do another ass-pull, eventually they're going to reach a point of diminishing returns.
> problem with gene fading. Unless they do another ass-pull, eventually they're going to reach a point of diminishing returns.
why are you talking like this is a real thing
Obviously it's not but it's something a lot of other fiction manages to address at some point. Eh, it's just more bad comic book science that needs to be viciously satirized.
Probably wouldn't be an issue if they were simply using the genome as a blueprint either, though I'm not sure if that's still cloning. I'm assuming they pick up from the last "save" which implies at least the memory is being sampled continually.
In the real world as long as the original genetic sample is intact it won't be an issue. While there might be some genetic variation in the clone itself the solution is to use the original sample for the cloning rather than cloning a clone.
Thats just because they need an asspull to resurrect famous mutants. There were always stories how mutants came back from the dead.
>what colonial exploitation and imperialism???
Shit where to begin
>Betsy and Xcalibur trying to take over Otherworld for Krakoa, already installed Jamie Braddok of all people as ruler of Avalon
>Worked as mercenaries for the Shi'ar in putting down a rebellion against Shi'ar imperial rule
>Installed the current Shi'ar Empress as an immortal ruler after resurrecting her
>CIA glowBlack persony in South America caused an entire country to be genocided by a monster of the X-Force's own creation
>Survivors of said Genocide are turned into mind controlled puppets by beast and used to spy on or convert hostile diplomats
>Mars as a whole
>Storm declaring herself Regent of Sol
Do you even read the books
Don't forget that mutants also basically took over the Brood by putting Broo in the role of Brood King and decided the outcome of Snark War by killing every potential leader they had besides the one who would cater to mutants.
Why are Mutants so Kino?
Because you’re a moron.
>We've already had threads pointing out that Krakoa already fits multiple definitions of fascism, shares a lot of ethos with Nazism, and glorifies colonial exploitation and imperialism.
It felt like there was a point to it back when Hickman was in charge and before editorial decided that this new status quo was too popular to end. I'm pretty sure it was meant to implode with the non-krakoan mutants getting the shortest end of the stick
Popular with who?
I've heard no one say anything about this or positive or negative in the mainstream.
And the few comic people left have nothing good to say about this.
The Hickman-era X-Men sales were pretty good
>planet/moon full of weird species
wtf thats basically another inhuman who approved this shitty retcon is it ewing?
Just when I thought that the x-books couldn't get more moronic, what fricking hack came up with this Yakub level, 'we wuz kangz' shit?
They've been trying to pull shit like this for a while now, especially the whole "famous dead person was really a mutant" bullshit. Christ I wonder how far they're gonna push it we might live to see some one write a character saying Anne Frank is a mutant in an off hand comment or that the Rwanda genocide was really about killing mutants
>"famous dead person was really a mutant"
The weirdest shit about this is how it mirrors something that has been happening on and off for years. I remember in the mid 2000's there was this series of crazy claims about how every famous white person in history was either actually black, or they were only famous because they stole from blacks. And now we're getting people claiming that all historical dead people were gay, but only the ones that weren't involved in unsavory things.
>but only the ones that weren't involved in unsavory things.
Except for Hitler for some reason.
Now that I think of it, you're right. 1940s-era propaganda to imply Hitler was a gay so people wouldn't like Hitler is still being used in an era when being gay is otherwise treated as a good thing. It's weird.
At this point I'm all for separating the X-men off into their own universe.
WTF is this Hawkman shit?
Why the frick do some Shi'ar have 6 limbs (2 arms, 2 legs and 2 wings) while others have only 4 (2 wings in place of arms and 2 legs)?
Considering this is an X-men comic it's because they're mutants I'm only half joking
They gene edited themselves with Xorrian technology. Deathbird is a genetic throwback to the older Shiar
And this is how it ties into the Jason Aaron and Apocalypse stuff
>Kin Crimson
How does it work?
The Kin Crimson are a secret sect of Shi'ar whose whole job has been editing Shi'ar history so that the public doesn't know that a small handful of mutant completely humiliated and slaughtered then
So they engineered a less birdlike race of Shi'ar.
Created the Fraternity of Raptors
And the Kin Crimson themselves all use red energy constructs like Cerise and have symbiotes as their blood
>The Kin Crimson are a secret sect of Shi'ar whose whole job has been editing Shi'ar history so that the public doesn't know that a small handful of mutant completely humiliated and slaughtered then
But they were okay with
>Mutants running their empire
>Mutants meddling in their politics
>Mutants being used as their secret police
>Getting their asses beat by the Kree and Inhumans
They exist to guard these Ten Shames.
>The Kin Crimson are a secret sect of Shi'ar whose whole job has been editing Shi'ar history
I watched season 1 of star trek Picard where it had a secret sect of romulans who secretly hated androids but had never been mentioned before. And for some reason it reminded me of this.
Like this
so if he changes the future, his change happens but people just see an illusion that he didn't change anything?
so that does take place on earth, that's just dumb
Yes. They call it "The third planet from it's sun populated by Mutant primates"
>Mutant primates
WHY DO THESE FRICKS KEEP MISREPRESENTING WHAT MUTATIONS ARE???
From the point Marvel actually had the X-Men start buying into their villains' arguments that mutants were a separate race from humans, any pretense at them having anything at all to do with IRL mutation has gone out the window. They're just a separate species that calls itself "mutants" but may as well be Goddamned aliens judging by this.
Right? That's what so fricking stupid about this era. It's David Cage tier writing of moral ambiguity. Hickman and most of his followers seem to have this idea that moral ambiguity is good characters do morally reprehensible things which make no sense and are completely idiotic.
I seriously don't understand why people keep falling for the same stuff over and over again.
>They remembered the Xorrians.
You know these creativity-challenged fricks are just poring over old back issues looking for ideas they can strip mine under the guise of referencing the classics.
Aaron's Avengers being around 1 million years ago was already stupid enough and contradicted continuity, but this is even worse. This comic is now claiming that there were now mutants BILLIONS OF YEARS AGO, not only long before the Celestials came to Earth, not only before there were anything even resembling hominids, but before any animals had even evolved to live on land. I hate everything about this, and I hope that unlike Aaron's bullshit all future writers ignore this, or at the very least change the timeline a little so it'll make slightly more sense.
People are guessing time travel's going to be involved. In the same issue it said that civilization vanished, and its survivors fled to the future in "temporal lifeboats". It'll probably turn out that those mutants aren't native to that time. Colonists from the future, basically.
The frick is going on?
Can these writers makes it anymore fricking confusing?
Welcome to the Krakoashit era!
It's really sad that no matter how much they try and force the entire Marvel Universe to revolve around the X-line the less the other writers care
just admit you're not smart enough
Smart enough for what?
When you are smart, is the moment you realise this doesnt work and is shit. It reads more like some esotheric fan wrote that. It reads more like science in Warhammer 40k.
Mutants have begun digging up evidence of Mutant Yakub and are about to throw a massive hissyfit at the Shi'ar for crimes against their people
I figured that but that's not confusing part.
What's confusing is that there were mutants that existed before humans on Earth???
I thought the idea was that mutants are evolved from humans? They were genetically designed by one of the celestials after humanity came into play.
But then again mutancy isn't just for humans other alien races are known to have mutants that existed before humans.
These aren't human mutants.
They haven't explained how this whole society popped up before Aaron's 100000 BC Avengers
I'm thinking time travel bullshit and these mutants are actually from the future like 2099
I thought that too.
They travelled back in time in order to change history and dominate the planet for mutants a lot earlier.
I was thinking it relates to the Spider-Man 2099 story that Orlando has been writing
Humans and Corporations have poisoned the Earth in 2099 so mutants are using time travel to go back in time and start over and live in peace. Or something, this whole 2099 event is very confusing and annoying
Remember the whole thing started with a box made of Mysterium and engraved with X-logos, but billions of years old. It's obviously a time travel thing.
So, someone watched Terra Nova?
They reference the Aaron Mutants here.
Which ALSO would have developed before Humans .
No, they are explicitly stating that these mutants are the direct antecedents to the modern mutant by calling them "OUR ancestors". Which does raise a massive amount of questions in regards to if the X-office wants us to even view mutants as human at this point or aliens, since they outright evolved before humanity.
>they outright evolved before humanity.
Humans were the real mutants all along.
The thing I don't get is HOW are a bunch of "mutants" from several billion years ago and lightyears away Earth mutants ancestors. They don't shave a common cultural or even genetic line, frick we don't even know if they have X-genes they could just be a regular mish mash of super powered weirdos. This is dumb and not in a fun way like Moon Knights haunted house base is
This is ancient Earth
See here
So not aliens.
>So not aliens.
They might as well be, this is all moronic, Jordan White is possibly Marvel's greatest failure dude should be fired in shame
honestly, all the Marvel main editors kinda suck. Tom Brevort is so hands-off that he just lets writers do whatever no matter the consequence, and Nick Lowe just seems to hate the fanbase and all the characters in Spider-man, Jorden D White just seems to be incompetent with a terrible sense of fashion.
A fat man with a big single curl on the front of his forehead got terrible sense of fashion?! How shocking!!!
if their aliens are humans right to want to make them frick off from earth and the sol system then?
Holy shit. This fits.
What fits?
Don't tempt fate.
Fukken shiar
Wait if Mutants Predate Humana, doesn't that mean the whole next stage of evolution hing is bunk?
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Cringe
>billions of years in the past
b***h BILLIONS OF YEARS AGO YOU'D BE LIVING ON A FRICKING SMOULDERING ROCK
writers not nowing how big a billion years is, the most advance lifeform from one billion years ago IRL are sponges. The most ancient civilization on earth are about 12 thousand years old, no matter how advence they are, theshiar should have no memory of what happened so long ago.
Depends on how you define "civilization." There are records of organized cultures and social groups as far back as 40,000 years ago.
Why does capeshit writers failing at math surprise you? Capeshit writers think artificial insemination is cloning. Capeshit writers pull various bullshit out of their ass to justify why the hero shouldn't kill the mass murdering/serial killing villain.
humans are flatscan devils invented by yakub
Frick. All. Of. This. Mutants are the next step, not this bullshit parallel species thing.
Here's the mutie supremacist.
the one way I can rationalize this is that they were the direct result of the celestial dying on earth in Aaron's avengers run, and that they quickly died out afterwardand aren't actually the direct ancestor of anybody alive today.
>Billions of years in the past
Which means at least 2 billion years ago. Which means mutants predate not just humans, but primates, mammals, reptiles, all other vertebrates, arthropods, mollusks, even fricking plants and fungi.
And yet we can clearly see not just plants and mushrooms here, but also mutants who looks suspiciously like modern mammals (rat and beaver).
So, what the frick? None of that lines up with anything. This shit predates Aaron's Avengers One Million BC by several billions of years. The only way it makes any sense is
That following Celestial's death life evolved super-quick (as a direct result of fresh Celestial energies soaking into the planet) to create a mutant society and functioning ecosystem, but then all of that was wiped out completely (or almost completely, perhaps some primitive prokaryotes and eukaryotes survived) to allow life to evolve once again, but at a more natural rate (since by that time Celestial energies cooled down, decomposed and/or became more dilluted and less mutagenic).
But in this case none of these ancient mutants will have any genetic kinship to any being existing in modern times whatsoever.
So either the "billion years" caption is going to be retconned real quick or they butchered the message they were trying to send from the get-go.
>None of that lines up with anything
The Marvel timeline for shit happening on earth was a little longer than the IRL one already to account for shit like the Eternals and the Hyborian Age, but you're right, this blows that shit completely out of the water...if it's Earth.
That said last I checked, Earth's past was technically a superposition based on the beliefs of individual societies on Earth. That's how various creation myths coexist. The Japanese creation myth especially is actually sorta important cause it involves Chaos King.
>people itt not realizing timefrickery is obviously involved
Also apparently a mutant from 2099 is confirmed to be appearing in Marauders #7
My bet is that a 2099 mutant is going to be the 9th member of the team
Mutants are aliens?
No they are from Earth and predate Humans apparently.
Fricking what. So mutants are no longer the next step in evolution.
Mutants were never the next step in evolution despite this massive retcon that the X-writers and X-office pulled out of their ass. Mutants were always a byproduct of the Celestials's experiment that they created and eventually forgot about.
The Celestial origin was itself a a retcon.
UCM #1 blames Chuck's mutation on his parents working on the a bomb project
wtf? I was told Marvel has never retconned itself unlike DC.
Marvel never does a full on reboot like dc does now every few years, but they recon shit all of the time.
You think decades of comics can be kept square? Marvel has had no full reboots but rolling continuity means Spider-Man couldn't have been active since the 60s.
Mutants were an experiment by Celestials with the end goal to create beings like Franklin Richards. They weren't the next step in evolution per se, but rather they were meant to take over after homosexual sapiens, like how homosexual sapiens took over after neanderthals. It's why the moment muties died off earth would have been fricked up by Celestials.
It's absolutely moronic, why would they do this.
>It's why the moment muties died off earth would have been fricked up by Celestials.
Only according to the X-men writers.
Hell, we've had the Celestials show up and basically ignore the X-men as a factor in if they were going to blow the planet up or now.
Only X-homosexuals were delusional enough to think mutants were actually important and that Celestials cared about mutants. The only mutant that the Celestials care about was Franklin Richards. As for Apocalypse, they allowed him to use their abandoned technology but they completely forgot about him for millenniums and almost never made any contact with him since.
And I mean, why do we take the Celestials as some kind of sacrosanct group?
They're autistic robot scentists, they're not a morally good force; On the contrary they don't fricking care about anyone but themselves.
If Celestials DID make Mutants, I would be more suspicious as to WHY than using that as a good measure of their worth, the whole point every time Celestials show up is to Repel them, or in God King Thor's case, murder the frick out of them.
Are you guys just actively ignoring the Dreaming Celestial shit that went down in San fran?
In a X-book and rarely ever mentioned in a non-X-book. Even in the Eternal book, it never mention mutants nor made any claim of the importance of mutants.
So it's OK now because Aaron decides to tie in Avengers with Eternals and Celestials, and Thor being the son of Odin and the Phoenix even though none of that shows up in any of the other X-Books?
The Avengers, specifically Thor and Hercules were always involved with the Eternals and have more claim to their involvement with the Eternals than the X-men did. As for Thor being the son of Phoenix, it's literally ignore in everything but Aaron's book. Even Cates, the biggest Aaron dick sucker currently at Marvel is ignoring it.
yeah, the most relevence the eternal really had prior to the recent movie push was when Sersi was on the avengers.
I get that, what I'm trying to say is why does one franchise hold more weight over the other when they both ignore each other.
It's shouldn't matter if your and Avengers fan or an X-cuck.
I think his point is mostly that other franchises are able to use cosmic powers like the Celestials or the Phoenix Force or whatever and just use them, while the X-books keep on doing stories where the mutants of Earth are the special chosen ones who the Celestials or the Phoenix care about above all others and will ape out over the possibility of mutant extinction. There's using the Celestials in a story, and there's using them as a prop to try to make your book's characters more special and important than everything else.
This was the shit that took me out of the x-men after a while.
>Even in the Eternal book, it never mention mutants nor made any claim of the importance of mutants.
uh
and pic related?
Was referring to Gaiman's Eternals which involves the Dreaming Celestial which
was referring to. The current X-men and Eternals is already a massive retcon to the previous works.
>Gaiman's Eternals
The book by the literal cuck that retconned Kirby's series? Yeah, I don't give a shit about that
The last Eternals ongoing established that the Deviants were made to cause evolution into mutants and mutates
Because the x-offices are staffed by complete morons.
>Mutants were an experiment by Celestials with the end goal to create beings like Franklin Richards
where was that establish? I feel like much of the "celestial made mutants" narrative comes from earth X, which is most definitly not applicable to earth 616
"The First Celestial Host!" in a Marvel What If? story, specifically this page. It's pretty much the first time Marvel bothered to outline what the Celestials were even doing on Earth. This page in particular is the first one to make implications that the celestials created the mutants by adding an unknown gene sequence to the early humans that would bring mankind to far greater heights, Earth X just solidified it as specifically the X-gene and Marvel ran with it since then. You could sincerely argue that the unknown gene sequence they stuffed into early hominids was just their capacity to mutate and gain superpowers from exposure to alien elements or even just simply evolve into homosexual sapiens, but the foundations were right there to begin with. And this shit was there since the 80s, so this new swerve is REALLY out there as far as the X-men goes.
It's been awhile but I believe Hackmans Fantastic Four and FF where future Franklin shows up and makes Galactus his b***h or something.
The celestia there sought to destroy Franklin and did not treat him as their creation.
Weren't they Mad Celestials?
yes, so maybe it doesn't mean that much, but there was nothing there about Franklin being the end goal of celestial manipulation.
There are several different groups of Celestials. The Celestials, a bunch of colorful Celestials. The Aspirants, a bunch of dark color Celestials. And the Mad Celestials, 4 colorful Celestials that infected and corrupted by something.
Wasn't that wiped away by Aaron's bullshit? That the Celestials only cared about humanity evolving to be anti-bodies for them, with the Eternals and Deviants just existing to further that goal?
Steve Orlando is unironically fricking moronic, can't believe the industry continues to pretend that he has talent just because he sucks dick
Gays are the new golden calf, of the industry.
I will never fricking understand how Orlando keeps getting work, he's an awful writer.
Wow, I really don't fricking care, can Wanda fix the mugga problem again?
>Mutants predate Eternals and Deviants
lol
lmao
So if Mutants evolved before humans all that talk about homosexual Superior is nonsense and it is Humanity who are the emergant species, meaning by Magneto's own doctrine of darwinism he should be perfectly fine with Mutant Genocide.
Also, if Mutants existed Millions of years ago, why are they not the ones who shaped the Gods of Earth in their Image?
Do the X-writers realise the more and more they build up Mutants as this other-group, they basically justify the Genocides done to them?
Basically, Ancient Humans had to deal with a species who could fight off an invading spacefaring race and you think they shouldn't go full total war on them?
>Do the X-writers realise the more and more they build up Mutants as this other-group, they basically justify the Genocides done to them?
How does being the other justify genociding them?
>you think they shouldn't go full total war on them?
Yeah, you warmongering knucklehead.
Because they're literally an other, with zero connection to Humanity at all, with overwhelming power able to easily wipe out humans at a moment's notice. It took 5 mutants to stop the Shi'ar, so how powerless would Humans be to them?
>Because they're literally an other, with zero connection to Humanity at all,
So what? Why assume every alien is instantly a hostile threat?
Because they would be literally competing for territory with early humanity, just like Krakoa effectively seeks to conquer the solar system before Humanity.
All this book does is confirm Mutants are rivals to humanity and not the same.
>Because they would be literally competing for territory with early humanity, just like Krakoa effectively seeks to conquer the solar system before Humanity.
Only if you believe modern people are just as savage as cavemen, anon.
homie some of the biggest issues we face in the west right now are due to a flood of people directly impacting the availability of Land.
Like what, anon? You're acting like diplomacy doesn't exist and all conflicts here are resolved through genocide.
Because unfortunately diplomacy rarely fricking works but fascism sure as frick does by stoking the monkey bit inside peoples brains
>Because unfortunately diplomacy rarely fricking works but fascism sure as frick does
When has fascism ever worked?
>When has fascism ever worked?
It doesn't work in the long run but it's real good at knocking shit off track and fricking things up for everyone by stoking that shitty primal part of the human mind.
Ah yes, because it's not like land and resources are issues in the Modern world at all.
>Only if you believe modern people are just as savage as cavemen
We are though as much as we hide behind the veneer of civilization we are very much savage fricking monkeys. We try to be better but more often than not there are always some group of homosexuals defaulting back to the ape ways of attacking those who are different and taking their shit for their own if you take this and go I agree anon and it's "those" people that are doing it, you missed the entire fricking point you goddamn hairless ape
I take it you have no real friendships or kinship with others if you think this about humanity.
>Defaulting to personal attacks
Anon I got family and I got friends but you can fricking look outside and see how pleanty of people just want to get into their teams, demonize the other side and just get riled up. The worst part is there are plenty of people that LOVE us being like this and actively try to make it so.
>but you can fricking look outside
I see people just getting by and making the most out of their day, not the endless warfare and bloodshed you think humanity is like. Unless you live in the projects or a third-world country right now, I don't see why you think this is what humanity's normally like.
>Unless you live in the projects or a third-world country right now
Kind of proving my point in that you not only ignore anything not outside your door but fricking dismiss it as the "projects" and "third world countries"
>Kind of proving my point in that you not only ignore anything not outside your door
What point? The average human isn't going out killing other people for primal reasons. Just because you watch the news and see a murder happen doesn't mean that's normal behavior.
>What point?
That we as a species are still savage animals as much as we pretend not to be. We can make a telescope that can seen unknown parts of the universe in incredible clarity but back on earth we're still listening to that dumbass part of our brain that says "that person different, that person bad". The fact that you can't see the irony of going Everything is fine for me" and then in the same post going "Except for those guys over there but they're not like me so I don't care"
No, anon. Humanity might be flawed, but they aren't the animals you think they are. Focusing on the worst of mankind and pretending that's what we're all like does you no favors, and it really sounds like you're trying to justify your own failings and misery by believing all of humanity is down the shitter. The thought of brotherly love and understanding between men is so alien to your life that you believe the absence of both must be the norm, when that's absolutely not the case.
>really sounds like you're trying to justify your own failings and misery
Ah yes MORE personal attacks. Anon what I'm trying to say is despite all the great things we do as a species we are still capable of falling prey to all the knee jerk stupid animal savagery that has plagued the species since day one. Trying to pretend we're better and ignore the signs that we aren't has been a detriment to humanity. No matter who we are we are all susceptible to those awful parts of us and the worst you can do as a human being is deny it. If we are to over come and actually get anywhere as a species we need to use the same intelligence that can make something as wonderous as the James Webb telescope to actually understand and overcome the monkey impulses that lead to hate and violence. It might be easy to just say "It's over there not my problem" but over "there" can become over "here" before you know it
Anon this is the Marvel universe where every alien IS a hostile fricking thread and also as much as they pretend to be different mutants ARE very much human in their way of thinking which includes racism and othering. You act like they are immune to being genocidal psychos despite a massive amount of evidence to the contrary. Also Kree kidnapping early man to probe them probably didn't help
I guess that story fits B) here
I'll say this about Gillen: having the Narrator being The Machine, and The Machine being broken all along, making it an Unreliable Narrator, it's a nice way to leave space for other authors to ignore almost everything they don't like.
I have immense respect for Kieron Gillen
Almost enough to forgive him for this
I will never forgive him for that shit, he introduced it merely to create his own version Arno Stark, and then left before actually doing anything with it and left the door open for Bendis and later Slott to add their mountains of shit to Tony.
>Four billion years ago
>the ecosystem
Marvel pls
>Deviant Cum is the origin of Marvel superheroes
>Deviant Cum is the origin of Marvel superheroes
If only you knew how bad things really are
>Short-term pockets of strange life-forms in the historical record, which always fall to extinction
I guess that can explain the bullshit in the OP. But it also begs another question: what other pockets of weird extinct life-forms were there in the past?
I guess we're just supposed to accept all the new retcons and status quos.
Until they get retconned again in a year or two. I can't think of a single thing about Marvel's cosmology and history they haven't heavily retconned in the past decade. Shit's all fricked.
>Retconning mutant origins AGAIN
They literally just fricking did this.
X-genes come from ancient Celestial diseased body fluids that were incorporated into life on earth when it eventually evolved. Flatscans lost the magic space god matter through random mutation and outbred x-gene carriers.
>4 Billion years
>gives birth to all that is strange
At this point this is kinda what gave our earth living beimgs. Besides this looks like someone saw Prometheus and retconned Marvels history into it!
Considering Aliens is now part of the Disney family, maybe the Engineers are responsible for flatscans being more plentiful than mutants.
Alright so can someone tell me what Gillen and Aaron are trying to do with their lore?
Is this like when they were both on X-books throwing shit at each other?
Probably watched Prometheus or Terra Nova and thought that they are weird concepts good to surprise readers!
Holy shit, this whole plotline spawned from Hickman has reached Clone Saga levels of moronation and retcons because like all Hickman born plotlines it made no fricking sense and only continued because critics sucked Hickman and the X-Office off for having a great plan.
Just fricking end this shit. It's so dull.
It's selling so it won't be ending anytime soon.
Comics fans were a mistake.
Seriously, this gives me Mark Millar Civil War/Bendis Avengers vibes of just people keep praising it as being "fantastic examinations of morality" and "interesting stories" and in two years all those slobbering morons will go "Oh, I never liked it."
Definitely, this thing is going to age like milk.
That's what they said about the Clone Saga.
There's a vast difference between the people who buy Spider-man and x-gays.
Initially it sold really well, the X-books were back on top of the sales charts. For a few months of 2019. The main X-Men book, Wolverine, and a few others continued to sell well, most other books ended up mid-chart or lower after the early issues. It isn't selling so well that the idea of a change should be unthinkable to Marvel. If anything, the sheer number of spinoff books they've launched shows they have a reasonable idea of how many titles the average fan is willing to support, and they keep trying to push far past that limit.
I don't think pre-Caveman mutants has anything to do with Hickman's story. This is just Marvel's writers being dumb. (and it had already been done in Avengers, this just pushes them even further back)
>billions of years in the past
There would be no life forms anywhere near that size. Plants didn't even exist.
This would probably look fine without the eye shadow and lipstick. Is Gillen gonna make him bi?
More likely they're adding glam signifiers for compatibility with Harry Styles. Lipstick and eyeliner on a man don't mean bi, that's the old rock star hotness trick, which sort of works.
I find it obnoxiously distracting. Draws a lot of attention to his face.
Sure, but a magical sexypants should probably reflect his power visually.
I just hate how busy the outfit is, it's gonna look like trash the moment anyone other than the creator has to draw it or it will be dropped fast
Starfox should be fricking everything to be fair
Indeed. They could have gone much more Bowie with this and it would only have been better.
Please stop. Starfox isn't a sexual degenerate like Loki and Zeus are.
That is literally his whole thing.
He might be safe just on the virtue of his most well known story is the notorious rape accusation one.
Yes, every time he's used his mindrape powers, it was to save millions of innocent lives from himself
kill em all already, nimrod
free us from this mutant plague
So is that X-Force story where a bunch of Deviant/Mutant hybrids all die horribly because their DNA couldn't be mixed without causing power instability no longer canon?
Probably, just like how that X-Factor story about Quicksilver repowering mutants with Terrigen Crystals no longer makes sense.
I mean, that very page says they had that shit edited in artificially, kinda like U-Men
If Mutants are Deviants shouldn't the Horde be eating Mars or however that shit works?
Maybe that happens in Axe?
So Mutants have beefs with the Eternals and the Shi'ar?
Are these guys suicidal?
Just a sect of the Shi'ar. They basically have the planet under their thumb now because of Xandra, who've they've practically declared is the immortal ruler of the Shi'ar now.
Ah yes, that bastion of stable politics, the Shi'ar Empire.
There is going to be so many Xandra corpses by the end of this, she'll fill a graveyard by herself.
>long running allegory for minority struggles
>make yakub canon
We can only hope Wanda will clean up this mess.
She got killed and mindraped into being their slave. I just want a combination of Ultron to come down and force feed Magneto his own helmet because X-Men caused a soul sickness to happen with their frickery of life and death and he's decided to be a hero after digging into Pym's memories.
I hate all the magic shit that just has the human heroes master the Universe. I liked Marvel magic basically being borrowing power from some Universal force that is either opposed to some force or alien in thought and the hero is usually playing with fire because whatever thing that's letting them borrow power is fickle.
Also let Hecate be a schizo three bodied Witch that gets a new body every once in a while (Asian, African, and European one for each of the crossroads) and Wanda isn't sure if Hecate and that's why she's crazy. I just want Wanda to be constantly terrified of who she is in the back of her mind. I liked when she was a competent leader, but I'd love if she was less of a ticking bomb and more the person who skimmed into the crazy bullshit along with having Profesor X and Magneto gaslight her for years.
Or the other type of problem, where the god of magic never gets to do anything because he's on office duty except when they let him out once a year for a novelty comic. Better or worse than Wanda's poor treatment? I don't know. But it would be nice if she got to smack some mutants around after they were shitty for so long.
>soul sickness
The what now?
Spiritual disease or the thing that Dante talks about where if you sin hard enough a demon possess you.
Let me guess, it's really stupid and doesn't fit with established lore. What isn't these days?
This thread is why I stick to Morrison X-Men.
>bro what if humans hated mutants because of a sentient bacteria man?
no thanks
they are literally unable to write x-men comics
Are we sure we talk about mutants and not Deviants? This all feels just like repurposed Eternals story. Let me guess in the Eternals sequel we will encounter mutants instead of Deviants? So now they try to mix them?
>humans first evolved
What does this even mean? So they are mutants from homosexual Erectus?
The Eternals actually consider Mutants to be Deviants.
i think at this point mutants have just become the mary sue race of marvel
they were kangz, if they die celestials take everyone with them, they're persecuted so therefore they cannot be in the wrong, etc
Why do you think the fandom is chock full of self inserters
Because it is, anyone who has been around long enough and had to deal with x-gays is well aware of how the are.
>if they die celestials take everyone with them,
That's false.
When you're not creative enough to make something new, just go back and alter something old.
So glad I stopped getting invested in this shit. A decade ago I would have been livid but now all I do is shrug.
Kind of liberating in a way.