Redux. I know the plantation scenes divided the fans, but more content is almost always good. Besides the original cut appears much more often in various platforms, so watching the Redux first gives you a better foundation for a potential comparison later on.
going from dangerous jungle river to wealthy western civilization feels weird.
they couldn't find a way to bypass the river and get straight to a french owned plantation and start from there?
were they that surrounded by enemy forces? then why were the french even discussing leaving or staying? they mustn't have a choice. how did they have such a spread if normal routes were unusable? if normal routes were safe and usable why didn't Willard and his team use them instead of risking their lives down this river?
Me too, but I also understand those who claim they cause pacing issues. Most of the movie depicts a slow-burning journey towards a mysterious figure, and the French plantation acts as a major pause before the well-anticipated meeting. And you can tell it's coming, so the sudden stop might feel like an unnecessary time-waster before the grand finale.
On top of that the Redux adds like 50 mins of new footage, putting the overall running time over 200 mins. And that's too much for some, especially that the majority of that 50 mins is centered around the said plantation. Though I think the added content enriches Apocalypse Now as a film, I don't treat them as an absolutely essential part of the experience.
>the majority of that 50 mins is centered around the said plantation.
holy shit Redux gays should be shot thank got they cut that entire thing from the film.
>the French plantation acts as a major pause before the well-anticipated meeting.
I thought the scene acted like a precipice/purgatory/crossing the Rubicon before the complete decent into madness
>more content is almost always good
No. The pacing of Redux completely changes the feel of the movie. It's okay to watch after you've seen and liked the Theatrical, but just because it has 'more content' does not mean it's good. Most films have hours of content that was not edited into the final cut, throwing it all in does not make a better movie.
Final or theatrical, and if you like it and want some more out of the movie the Redux. I feel like the extra segments and they give you more context in the story to consider, but it completely destroys the pacing.
>When production began in March 1976, he was just 14 years old, having lied about his age to get the part. Filming took so long that he actually was 17 years old upon its completion.
>Bottoms may be best remembered for his role as surfer Lance B. Johnson, a Navy Gunner's Mate stationed on a river boat in Francis Ford Coppola's Apocalypse Now. Bottoms acquired hookworm during the chaotic production in the Philippines, and the parasite "wrecked his liver".
the French plantation thing could only have worked if it occurred before the playboy stop off. to do it near the end after there had been this slow decent into insanity going up river made no sense.
Theatrical.
This was the first time I actually experienced how much editing can ruin a film. The first time I watched this movie I watched the extended version that had all those scenes with the French and I absolutely hated the movie. Then years later I tried watching the theatrical cut and holy shit it's like watching a completely different movie, the theatrical version is one of my favorite movies ever. I still hate the extended version because it ruins the flow of the movie.
Any other notable films with extended cuts that are significantly different than the theatricals? Most "director's cuts" differ little in running time and content.
Alien kinda. The extended version shows what happened to the characters the Xenomorph captured and like Apocalypse Now it was supposed to be cut due to pacing reasons.
no, i didn't. that's preposterous. but it's partly, maybe mostly, the screenwriters' fault - scripts lack depth and humanity and characterization and narrative now, so movies can look great but have no soul.
the only based directors are guys like peckinpah, ford, milius, frankenheimer, friedkin, kubrick, walter hill. coppola is a neurotic, self-absorbed hack
One interesting thing in Redux was the bit with Sheen laughing with the crew after stealing the surfboards. In the theatrical he never jokes or cracks a smile and I saw it dozens of times before Redux so it was a jolt.
Yeah I always felt that part was weird. I also don't like how clean Kilgore's voice sounds on the loudspeaker when he's asking for the surf board back, it feels too 21st century.
Yeah I always felt that part was weird. I also don't like how clean Kilgore's voice sounds on the loudspeaker when he's asking for the surf board back, it feels too 21st century.
This is where Redux is more of a zany surf movie, and theatrical is more of a masterpiece.
>seriously
NTA but he obviously meant “literally”, just like Coppola wasn’t literally saying that the boat was a time machine
t. Non-autist who can read contextually
I meant you're not supposed to be wondering why the vietcong haven't overrun this little plantation with a couple dozen frogs or how they're getting ammunition. It is a serious addition to the themes of the film.
Based and correct take
Also the French plantation scene was my favorite part of the film, doesn’t ruin the pacing, does feel like pausing for air in Rivendell before falling into Moria
redux is the worst way to watch. stealing the surfboard was the stupidest shit, the bunnies scene made no sense, brando being out in daylight shows how fat he is which they were trying so hard to conceal previously
Redux if you have never watched the movie before.
People always go with the "LE PACING" argument but those that do are most likely simply parroting the line to fit in because they read it somewhere.
The people that genuinely think it messes with the pacing are the people that have already watched the theatrical so their standard of what the pacing of the movie should be is completely different.
All you need is the original plus the Hearts of Darkness documentary. It includes enough clips to give a taste of what's in Deluxe which is all you need.
Both.
2 faces of the same coin. Heart of Darkness for good measure of course.
It makes sense for Hollywood to get rid of the French plantation scenes for instance, but it also adds so much atmosphere to Coppola's vision. The slow paced onirism in all these missing scenes add to the apocalypse.
There isn't a best edit IMO. It's just 2 different seasoning of the same 3 Michelin star dish.
>go to any redux scene youtube video >scroll down to the comments >"pacing bad" every other comment
activates your almonds
if you trust youtube zoomers as a source of knowledge then you know what to do I guess
I feel like original fans are marvel tier movie fans who just came for some war action
Redux fans are kino fans, who enjoy the movie itself, separate from its theme
why do midwits hate the plantation scene so much? It's kino.
>the egg yolk scene >smoking opium with the girl who lost her "hoosban" >accordion guy getting his ass kicked (literally) for abruptly playing the star spangled banner
The viewer gets context on the setting through the frenchman's explanation to Willard of of the french colonial history in the region and the events leading up to US intervention, you see Willard begin to accept the futility of it all, it sets the stage for the descent into the primitive savagery up river. His men are dying and it marks the turn for his character, he's not strutting around "in command" as much after clean gets killed as he was in the earlier scenes of the film, he's more reserved and just trying to survive.
The playboy bunny fuel stop scene also important and is a look behind the mask of the silly debauchery and surfing adventures in the first act. Like the frenchman says the capitalist vision isn't sustainable there, you see behind the facade of the extravagant USO show and it's mentally ill prostitutes stranded in filth with dead bodies lying around and troops unable to cope when their leadership falls apart.
There's this theme of resilience in the face of futility that runs through the movie. Capitalism is fickle and non comitted, the walls are closing in on the colonialists despite their dedication, and there's this sense of impending doom from the overwhelming perseverance of the communists. Kurtz's only answer was to reject it all and turn to sheer brutality as a last resort in an attempt to salvage some kind of victory, to win an any cost with primitive savagery. Without the added redux scenes it really does seem like Willard is a reluctant order taker like Kurtz first reads him, the ending fits better in the redux imo because you get the sense Willard understands Kurtz. Kurtz only lets him free when he knows that Willard "gets it", and grants Willard final judgement over him.
> Bad things happened but we wuz good guys in Vietnam!
Were you frick. You were ALL filthy disgustijng animals fighting people for... money. In the end you subhuman american predators were btfo by a bunch of manlets in rice paddies and were forced to flee with your stumpyu little tails between your legs. What a nation of cowardly losers. So Hollywood had to step in and make shit up to save your fragile little egos being the joke that you goyslopping fatass sub-intelligent mutt losers are.
Is there a cut with just Lawrence Fishburn’s momma narrating the whole thing?
Theatrical cut is ideal. Deluxe has terrible flow.
Need it
Royale
On a raft.
Bruh why does dude look like he's glazed in cum?
Because you’re a degenerate and would be the first beheaded if you arrived there on the boat
not him but I like both of these answers equally for different reasons
It was a different time
No access to women in the army, so he had to do it with his buddies.
>Deluxe
You mean Redux
this is on TCM tonight
Prepare for breasts that are all natural and glorious, TCM viewers
I don't remember breasts in this movie
Redux, guy
in redux it was that hot ass french woman
Redux. I know the plantation scenes divided the fans, but more content is almost always good. Besides the original cut appears much more often in various platforms, so watching the Redux first gives you a better foundation for a potential comparison later on.
>I know the plantation scenes divided the fans,
Why though? its fantastic
going from dangerous jungle river to wealthy western civilization feels weird.
they couldn't find a way to bypass the river and get straight to a french owned plantation and start from there?
were they that surrounded by enemy forces? then why were the french even discussing leaving or staying? they mustn't have a choice. how did they have such a spread if normal routes were unusable? if normal routes were safe and usable why didn't Willard and his team use them instead of risking their lives down this river?
The French are also surrounded by enemy forces too. I guess if they decided to leave they were going to have to fight their way out
But dudes point is that it doesn't make much sense they have as much resource access as they do on the plantations if there are no supply lines.
Me too, but I also understand those who claim they cause pacing issues. Most of the movie depicts a slow-burning journey towards a mysterious figure, and the French plantation acts as a major pause before the well-anticipated meeting. And you can tell it's coming, so the sudden stop might feel like an unnecessary time-waster before the grand finale.
On top of that the Redux adds like 50 mins of new footage, putting the overall running time over 200 mins. And that's too much for some, especially that the majority of that 50 mins is centered around the said plantation. Though I think the added content enriches Apocalypse Now as a film, I don't treat them as an absolutely essential part of the experience.
>the majority of that 50 mins is centered around the said plantation.
holy shit Redux gays should be shot thank got they cut that entire thing from the film.
>the French plantation acts as a major pause before the well-anticipated meeting.
I thought the scene acted like a precipice/purgatory/crossing the Rubicon before the complete decent into madness
Because they are moronic. They are the same people who watch bladerunner theatrical cut.
Way too long.
>but more content is almost always good.
No.
>more content is almost always good
Frick off Ridley
Nonsense. Redux changes the tone way too much for the worse with all those extra scenes.
>more content is almost always good
No. The pacing of Redux completely changes the feel of the movie. It's okay to watch after you've seen and liked the Theatrical, but just because it has 'more content' does not mean it's good. Most films have hours of content that was not edited into the final cut, throwing it all in does not make a better movie.
Redux was my first watch and I'm glad it was
theatrical first
Original all the way. The pacing is better
Correct
Final or theatrical, and if you like it and want some more out of the movie the Redux. I feel like the extra segments and they give you more context in the story to consider, but it completely destroys the pacing.
I hope Alicia Malone introduces the movie tonight
>Girl power!
>Yay feminism
It's Mankiewicz anyways
Coattail riding nepo baby TDS obsessive unfunny twat
Fishburne was 17 when he filmed this. Wild.
>When production began in March 1976, he was just 14 years old, having lied about his age to get the part. Filming took so long that he actually was 17 years old upon its completion.
wow
>Bottoms may be best remembered for his role as surfer Lance B. Johnson, a Navy Gunner's Mate stationed on a river boat in Francis Ford Coppola's Apocalypse Now. Bottoms acquired hookworm during the chaotic production in the Philippines, and the parasite "wrecked his liver".
Luckily there were copious amounts of drugs and booze on set to treat his condition.
the French plantation thing could only have worked if it occurred before the playboy stop off. to do it near the end after there had been this slow decent into insanity going up river made no sense.
Make the anon cut
Read the other day that "extreme prejudice" was a real CIA euphemism, but they used "eliminate" or something instead of "terminate".
Theatrical. even Coppola hated the redux so much he did the final cut
>Original or Deluxe?
Redux
Theatrical.
This was the first time I actually experienced how much editing can ruin a film. The first time I watched this movie I watched the extended version that had all those scenes with the French and I absolutely hated the movie. Then years later I tried watching the theatrical cut and holy shit it's like watching a completely different movie, the theatrical version is one of my favorite movies ever. I still hate the extended version because it ruins the flow of the movie.
Any other notable films with extended cuts that are significantly different than the theatricals? Most "director's cuts" differ little in running time and content.
Alien kinda. The extended version shows what happened to the characters the Xenomorph captured and like Apocalypse Now it was supposed to be cut due to pacing reasons.
interesting
Ridley Scott's Kingdom Of Heaven.
Ridley Scott's Legend 1985.
Blade Runner
Maybe it's just a Ridley Scott thing.
Donnie Darko
Once Upon A Time In America's extended cut is basically a different film
The theatrical version (shown in the US) was dogshit and ruined Noodles' arc
Voiceovers often suck but this is fricking mint from Sheen
I'm the only one keeping this thread going. Meanwhile, shitters can't get enough of Dune threads. Cinemaphile is weak.
coppola was the dennis villeneve of the 70s
not. yikes. coppola's a universally acknowledged genius as well as a blockbuster maker
you do realize that's what dennis villeneve fans say about him today right?
no, i didn't. that's preposterous. but it's partly, maybe mostly, the screenwriters' fault - scripts lack depth and humanity and characterization and narrative now, so movies can look great but have no soul.
please. Godfather or Apocalypse Now alone are better than Villenumeme's entire filmography multiplied times 10.
the only based directors are guys like peckinpah, ford, milius, frankenheimer, friedkin, kubrick, walter hill. coppola is a neurotic, self-absorbed hack
>peckinpah
I watched Bring Me The Head of Alfredo Garcia and it had some of the worst pacing I'd ever seen in a movie
One interesting thing in Redux was the bit with Sheen laughing with the crew after stealing the surfboards. In the theatrical he never jokes or cracks a smile and I saw it dozens of times before Redux so it was a jolt.
Yeah I always felt that part was weird. I also don't like how clean Kilgore's voice sounds on the loudspeaker when he's asking for the surf board back, it feels too 21st century.
This is where Redux is more of a zany surf movie, and theatrical is more of a masterpiece.
original theatrical cut
You're not supposed to take the French scene seriously, it's shrouded in fog at the beginning and end for a reason.
Don't care. Ruins the pacing of the film
any time i have to suffer through french people it's bad
That's just symbolism of the French colonial history "lingering like a ghost"
It's not like it didn't happen.
ridiculous take.
Coppola said in one interview going up river was going to be like going back in time.
that makes sense. other anon said baselessly it's not to taken seriously.
>seriously
NTA but he obviously meant “literally”, just like Coppola wasn’t literally saying that the boat was a time machine
t. Non-autist who can read contextually
i know that. did you think i thought he meant it was a comedic scene? i'm not the autist here.
>comedic scene
No, but keep missing context, autist.
Or maybe you’re just ESL
ad hominem attacks can't compensate for your lack of critical thinking. you're calling strangers names on a movie thread. examine your life
I meant you're not supposed to be wondering why the vietcong haven't overrun this little plantation with a couple dozen frogs or how they're getting ammunition. It is a serious addition to the themes of the film.
they have wealth, connections, and a merc army, that's how
neat. I read it as slowly losing your mind.
Metaphorical readings inflame the board's collective spergdom.
still a horseshit take
Based and correct take
Also the French plantation scene was my favorite part of the film, doesn’t ruin the pacing, does feel like pausing for air in Rivendell before falling into Moria
absolute morons.
The only French scene I’ll take seriously.
>le fog makes it le art
bwhahaha
I think I get what they were going for with this part, but it does drag.
Redux. The plantation scene is great.
Theatrical/original
plantation scene sucks
Baudelaire, Kipling, and Eliot quotations - imagine that in the kind of trash movies we get now
Harrison Fords best role and movie.
For me it's the receptionist in the Conversation
can't picture her
him
Forgot that one. Nice choice!
The horror...of this thread
thanks for keeping it alive anon
same to you
redux is the worst way to watch. stealing the surfboard was the stupidest shit, the bunnies scene made no sense, brando being out in daylight shows how fat he is which they were trying so hard to conceal previously
same anon with the other bad takes?
surfboard adds absurdity and shows willard's increasing bond with crew of the PRB
fat brando MAKES the character both physically and spiritually
bunnies scene shows the madness of the war, breaks the monotony of the river journey, also breasts add commercial appeal
Deluxe without question
tard
the theatrical cut is perfect my only gripe has ever been that the French american guy dies
Chef? he dies in the redux too
Redux if you have never watched the movie before.
People always go with the "LE PACING" argument but those that do are most likely simply parroting the line to fit in because they read it somewhere.
The people that genuinely think it messes with the pacing are the people that have already watched the theatrical so their standard of what the pacing of the movie should be is completely different.
All you need is the original plus the Hearts of Darkness documentary. It includes enough clips to give a taste of what's in Deluxe which is all you need.
when you're done watching apocalypse....good follow ups include-come and see, the captain(2017),jacob's ladder, das boot
Both.
2 faces of the same coin. Heart of Darkness for good measure of course.
It makes sense for Hollywood to get rid of the French plantation scenes for instance, but it also adds so much atmosphere to Coppola's vision. The slow paced onirism in all these missing scenes add to the apocalypse.
There isn't a best edit IMO. It's just 2 different seasoning of the same 3 Michelin star dish.
>go to any redux scene youtube video
>scroll down to the comments
>"pacing bad" every other comment
activates your almonds
if you trust youtube zoomers as a source of knowledge then you know what to do I guess
I feel like original fans are marvel tier movie fans who just came for some war action
Redux fans are kino fans, who enjoy the movie itself, separate from its theme
The iq separation could not be more evident
Wasted Playboy bunny after-party plis
honestly frick vietnam korea wwii wwi civil...all frickin useless pieces of moronation and rot
Ive seen the version on Amazon prime and saw no flaw in it. I don't know which one.
had the reducks auto-tuned on TCM. last part I remember was Clean getting shot. fell asleep.
is it worth it to watch the whole thing?
Redux but when you see the fog part towards the end just skip ahead like 30 minutes. Solved the thread for you guys. You're welcome.
why do midwits hate the plantation scene so much? It's kino.
>the egg yolk scene
>smoking opium with the girl who lost her "hoosban"
>accordion guy getting his ass kicked (literally) for abruptly playing the star spangled banner
The viewer gets context on the setting through the frenchman's explanation to Willard of of the french colonial history in the region and the events leading up to US intervention, you see Willard begin to accept the futility of it all, it sets the stage for the descent into the primitive savagery up river. His men are dying and it marks the turn for his character, he's not strutting around "in command" as much after clean gets killed as he was in the earlier scenes of the film, he's more reserved and just trying to survive.
The playboy bunny fuel stop scene also important and is a look behind the mask of the silly debauchery and surfing adventures in the first act. Like the frenchman says the capitalist vision isn't sustainable there, you see behind the facade of the extravagant USO show and it's mentally ill prostitutes stranded in filth with dead bodies lying around and troops unable to cope when their leadership falls apart.
There's this theme of resilience in the face of futility that runs through the movie. Capitalism is fickle and non comitted, the walls are closing in on the colonialists despite their dedication, and there's this sense of impending doom from the overwhelming perseverance of the communists. Kurtz's only answer was to reject it all and turn to sheer brutality as a last resort in an attempt to salvage some kind of victory, to win an any cost with primitive savagery. Without the added redux scenes it really does seem like Willard is a reluctant order taker like Kurtz first reads him, the ending fits better in the redux imo because you get the sense Willard understands Kurtz. Kurtz only lets him free when he knows that Willard "gets it", and grants Willard final judgement over him.
so, don't get off the boat is what you're saying?
Neither. It's a shit propaganda movie.
> Bad things happened but we wuz good guys in Vietnam!
Were you frick. You were ALL filthy disgustijng animals fighting people for... money. In the end you subhuman american predators were btfo by a bunch of manlets in rice paddies and were forced to flee with your stumpyu little tails between your legs. What a nation of cowardly losers. So Hollywood had to step in and make shit up to save your fragile little egos being the joke that you goyslopping fatass sub-intelligent mutt losers are.
lol
at least watch the movie first.