Orville just truly tipped over into full-on real Star Trek quality for me.
Grimes is fricking awesome. The actor himself is such a charismatic son-of-a-b***h it's unreal, and he's a genuinely talented actor. He really plays that like a legit ten year older version of the same character so it's striking when he reverts back to the younger one.
They could have ended that episode on the family photograph and I would have been happy to assume they went back, got the younger Malloy, and hit the reset button for the next episode. They could have easily set it up that way if they wanted.
Could have done without the lesbian crap even being mentioned, so there was zero 'muh CURRENT YEAR' shit for at least one episode. But it's character interaction and development at least - with a good logical reason for her and Isaac to be working together.
Good job with the time dilation shit, legit science crap that seemed well understood, but I thought the two-way trip was unnecessarily drawn out and undercut the drama a bit. Not too bad, but if you're in a starship what the big deal if you travel to a star twice as far away in one hit, then travel back with the field on as normal?
Great use of shit from previous episodes. Perfectly logical and believable. Cellphone, time device, holographic disguise, Isaac as human.
No future sandwich suddenly popping out of nowhere for the punchline/payoff? Sorbo DISAPPOINTED! Seems odd after they set it up, but maybe cut for seriousness of episode, or will literally 'pop up' in a future more comical episode.
Effects and visuals look great. Shows you what official Star Trek could have been, how there's still a demand for this kind of thing, and new directions you go, (also first time Orville felt truly original and not just a wholly derivative plot/theme).
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Seth Mcfarlanes plugs look so much worse when he's in the "past".
When you see an episode like this week's that is just amazing it's hard to understand how complete shit like last week's episode was made by the same team.
Different writers each week. Old Trek used to do this, after Roddenberry passed and they started allowing people on the cast to write, and direct newer episodes in the later seasons of TNG, DS9, VOyager and Enterprise. (Frakes would write and direct episodes, along with Sisko, and a few others on the show) I am pretty sure they are doing the same thing here. You can really see it on other shows, 1/2 the writers on these shows are no talent hacks that are obviously diversity hires, and have no experience in writing. The only reason they got their jobs is because they like to put certain objects into their asses.
both episodes were written by macfarlane
stopped watching this midway through season 2 because waifu left and her dyke replacement is ugly and insufferable
Her replacement is a better actress. She desperately needs some backstory though. There's no reason to care about her because you don't know anything about her.
it's one of those things where i hate the face. like chalemet
she looks simultaneously 25 and 50
yes she confuses my penis from scene to scene. Kind of like that fox-faced chick from severence.
She has a barfly quality. Feel like she has a few duis under her belt and perpetually has a court date coming up.
I thought they did as good a job as possible trying to bring new actress/character in. But lost Picardo and all the backstory with other chick up to that point which was fricked.
the waifu knew she would have to frick the black dude so she left and the new one did just that this episode
i really want to frick them both. i hope they develop her character more, i'm getting sick of this woke gay black men in space bullshit
I didn't like how Gordon, in the end, was more stunned by how selfish his +10 year variant was than by the fact that he pursued a happy life.
I was disappointed by how it was just... brushed away. I'd personally be devastated if I found out that the future where I was content and happy was taken away by people who deemed that pursuit of happiness too selfish.
It was just so fricked up that they brought the security officer to his home and planned to kidnap him in front of his family. How they told him it would've been better if he executed himself. And no lingering repercussions left to strain their relationships.
I enjoyed everything except the last few minutes.
I think if that happened in reality, you'd have no concept of your future self and would actually judge them harshly.
Also if you take into account they almost fricked up the timeline before with Kelly's younger self and that had literal galactic consequences, there's no reason they shouldn't be taking the situation as seriously as they are - especially Ed, and even more so Kelly who would have some inkling of what that shit is like. Also remember how harsh each version of herself was on the other.
I can understand the crew's fear of messing with the timeline. I'm not saying they're in the complete wrong.
I just didn't want Gordon to say "You did the right thing." I wanted him to contemplate on the life that was lost and wonder what +10 Gordon went through. Feel at least some internal conflict about whether he's a weak person for breaking the law, or if he'll ever be as happy as his variant was.
I just wanted some lingering tension.
I at least can agree with this. Ed at least should have come across a lot more sympathetic for depriving his best mate of happiness.
And if I found out I was happily married to Boxxy in an alternate timeline, I don't think I could just brush that off or ever quite get over knowing it.
But since there's some potential for it to be brought up again in a later episode, maybe it's okay to leave it at that for now.
At the very, very least, I HAVE to know what happens to the sandwich.
>At the very, very least, I HAVE to know what happens to the sandwich.
It will be in the next episode.
That kind of contemplation would have been out of character for Gordon. He's an impulsive person, not a sit-around-and-think person.
>I just wanted some lingering tension.
This. I feel like the stronger ending would have been Gordon making the decision to leave with them - that it was better for his family to at least survive without him than to be erased. That's a character gold-mine: You've got the lingering tension between him, Ed, Kelly, and Talla for essentially forcing him to abandon his family, you've got his own grief over losing his wife, son, and the child he'll never get to know, you've got the potential future arc of him trying to move on with his life, and you've got a character who can now rightfully and justly call out the crew's bullshit every time they casually justify hypocritical time frickery in the future.
It's a strong episode, don't get me wrong, but they clearly got cold feet at making such a big change to the status quo and it's a damn shame because that one tweak would make this a damned-near perfect episode.
>they clearly got cold feet at making such a big change to the status quo
Which is especially hilarious/sad knowing that this is the final season. They should have just gone wild with it, why hold back in the confirmed final season?
The only problem with that is we saw how Kelly's actions had a huge impact on the future. Gordon's actions let them read an obituary that wasn't there which clearly didn't have anything of interest. So when they say "you might give birth to warlord" it's complete bull shit because they know that doesn't happen. Their complete absoluteness to the situation makes me dislike the characters. If they just went back that's one thing but when they're getting ready to kidnap a broken Gordon, who made a family, in front of that family, just so they can put him up as basically a war criminal? Then saying to his face they're going to kill the current version of him and his family? That's some really cold shit and comes off as uncharacteristic of Ed especially when it's supposed to be his life long best friend.
Gordon wouldnt have any emotional connection to his could-be family
The weird thing about this episode is that it created a time paradox.
>If Gordon sent a message six months after he arrived, how did he send the message if they rescued him after a month?
That's either a writing screwup or some multiverse thing is going down.
Yep
Especially after they deliberately explained it at the start with the egg salad sandwich, if you don’t send it back when it was received, you create a paradox
>I didn't like how Gordon, in the end, was more stunned by how selfish his +10 year variant was than by the fact that he pursued a happy life.
unironcally made sense to me. People can change their views very quickly when forced into certain situations and he spent 3 years living as a hermit forced to hunt for food which people of his era consider on par with murder.
yea I'm not reading your book report but you're obviously gay for the ginger guy and you should tell your father
I’m about to watch this episode so I didn’t read your post OP, but thanks for reminding me. I love this show and Gordon is my favorite character.
>Orville just truly tipped over into full-on real Star Trek quality for me.
You orshills say this after every episode. Maybe don't be so obvious next time.
that's rob lowe tho
rob lowe is a massive homosexual and i hope he plays trelawny
nu trek keeps getting worse
Anyone else notice how fricking skeletal that new blond ensign looked in that casual outfit at the party? Between her and palicki you'll never be short of sticks to rub together if you ever need a fire.
A problem the don't have on nuTrek no doubt. Haven't watched it of course, but I assume that redhead is in a transparent aluminum tank communicating directly with the probe from Star Trek IV by now.
Hot I love fat women
its been an amazing season so far.
Mike blown the frick out.
Star trek fans blown the frick out.
Trannies blown the frick out.
And don't forget, you can watch it all on HULU(TM) every week, also don't forget to watching Disney+(TM) for all your favorite shows!
frick that. pirate everything. everything.
always will, only pirating this season for norm.
>Trannies blown the frick out.
https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/tv/tv-news/seth-macfarlane-orville-trans-allegory-1235175929/
OH NO NO NO NO NO NO CHUDS BTFO
I'm not reading all that. Quote the relevant piece.
This season has been so great. It will be such a tragedy that this is the last season. They are going out as a legend.
star trek
Do I have to start from the beginning of the series or can I hop into latest season?
You can hop in if you want.
If you decide to go back to the beginning, you are kinda spoiling events for yourself.
>If you decide to go back to the beginning, you are kinda spoiling events for yourself.
Wdym?
Episodes from season 3 have enough exposition to be viewed without actually watching prior seasons, but they will give away the events.
OFFICIAL EPISODE GUIDE
S1:1,4,11
S2:3,4,6,7,8,9,10,11,13,14
moron
Sorry not sorry. I re-watched it all before S3 and that is the ep list of shows I felt were worth watching vs those that were total shit or full of woke propaganda.
/pol/tard
"Sneed"
-Ian Maxtone-Graham
Good to know that I can ignore any of your moronic opinions.
I'm Suprised this show isn't more woke. I guess Seth being more old school and hating trannies while still having a lot of clout helps. That said the latest episode name dropping the pandemic really took me out of it also letting his gf go on that stupidly written wall breaking rant about homosexuality girl get it done in the basement with Isaac where low points of a otherwise ok episode.
Gordon got a raw deal tho
If I got told I ended up with my dream gf and that future was erased because my ~~*friends*~~ on the crew thought I'd give rise to the next birth of Hitler and stop their precious space union (which is actually evil) I'd tell them to go frick themselves just as 10yrolder Gordo did.
Seriously why was this episode all over the compass morally? Kelly and Ed suffered zero reprocussions from her time travelling and yet they come down on Gordo like a tonne of bricks
>I'm Suprised this show isn't more woke. I guess Seth being more old school and hating trannies while still having a lot of clout helps.
Why do shills always say this? Are you handed "Chanology" notes to help you fit in better?
>I'm Suprised this show isn't more woke. I guess Seth being more old school and hating trannies while still having a lot of clout helps.
>Why do shills always say this? Are you handed "Chanology" notes to help you fit in better?
Stupid homosexual I've been here 17 years which is longer than the average age of this website c**t.
What's the go with the Isaac hate? Is it just shit on the robot white guy the entire season because it's an easy target or is the show just trying to clunkily point out how kaylons where right about how petty and illogical we are? I hope they win honestly if s3 keeps going down this mean spirited road it's Gonna get more like nu trek to me and I don't think s4 if it happens will be very good
Figures they all have vax brain after 2019 you can see the moment it happens on screen in episode 5
Rip norm mcdonald
It came off like the brainwashing from Irl krept into the show especially the writing room and the acting was all over the place
>you will come with us and abandon your family because we said so there's no wriggle room and we are union pawns
Why yes mcfrickass you do come across like a little leftist nazi c**t in this episode mate frick you.
Imagine being dropped in 2015 and living through to 2025 for a moment coming from 2400
Only part I didn't believe was Gordo saying Muh pandemic and handwaving all the horrible shit that happened like it was nothing. No mention of vax side effects or massive depopulation nothing just oooh lucky me my wife stayed with me also I'm from the future thx babe also came across odd. Again the writing quality has dropped off a cliff and I'm losing interest in this show fast
None of the extra fiction you wanted to be crammed in there is at all believable. No thinking person would buy it.
>None of the extra fiction you wanted to be crammed in there is at all believable. No thinking person would buy it.
What fiction the vax crap? Brainwashed people have problems letting go it was a central part of the matrix movies and it rings true especially now.
To be fair, they would have had pandemic shit on the brain because the 'muh COVID' shit fricked their show, and caused hassles filming this very season. But yeah, just comes across now like typical Lefty 'muh pandemic get vaxxed' obsessive crap on par with their delusion that Jan 6th was the worst day in recorded history.
That line was hilarious. Now that I think of it if she was one of those that thought the world was ending during Covid Ed and company did the right thing making sure she was never happy
I thought they did it fine with the implication that no matter what shit will happen, be ut muh pandemic and whatever else came afterwards, humanity will still pull trough and get it's shit together.
>with their delusion that Jan 6th was the worst day in recorded history.
Any day that ignorant meth head rednecks stop fricking their sisters and think they have a say in anything is the worst day in history
Stop thinking you know anything other than your sister (biblically) and know your place
Start from the beginning there's some fantastic episodes in there and honestly the show isn't that long. Savor it. It's the best Trek we've had in years and once it's done we're stuck with nuTrek until more Orville comes out.
>until more Orville comes out
anon, I...
>anon, I...
There will be a season 4, or an Orville: TNG after Seth and Grimes leave with a new lineup. And if it's anything like the first 3 seasons, it'll still be the best Trek we get.
When I first heard the Family Guy homosexual's name associated with Trek I was like 'Frick no!', (I hate Family Guy with a burning hot passion, I literally can't stand being in the same room with someone watching it, it's so painfully unfunny), but now after hearing MacFarlane wanted to do brand-name Trek I wish to Christ that actually was what happened.
We still probably would have had to tolerate him as some kind of self-insert and all his b***hes somewhere along the line, but it would have started as a serious show, and been more like this.
I can't stand Seth but honestly I love some of the cast of the Orville and while Seth isn't great, it's clear the marketing tried to push it as a comedy because Seth = family guy. But the longer it went on the more good TNG it became. And I think he's stepping aside to let it become it's own thing because he knows he's holding it back. Or at least he got bored of it and wants to do his new Ted show. But The Orville has had some fantastic episodes. Isaac is brilliant. Borus is great, Alara was great but she left and I think that was because of Seth. So if Orville 2.0 ends up being Alara and co then it will be sci fi show of the decade for me, easily. Fingers crossed that's what's happening.
I always assumed the comedy angle was more to avoid being sued by the Trekgays, where you could hide behind parody on top of it being intentionally 'different' even though it's 'the same'. Kinda like how they couldn't go after 'Galaxy Quest' for the same reason. And one could even argue that it's something of an oblique product of 'Galaxy Quest'. I'm sure such a comparison would come up in the pitch after the movie was so well received.
I've actually been wondering lately how they're getting away with so much.
I mean the DS9 gays talked about how they got a somewhat unamused letter from the James Bond gays after that Bashir episode, (even though they intended it to be a thing like Dixon Hill). So if you have gays threatening over shit like that, and homosexuals backing down, I have no idea how this show gets by.
Maybe it's MacFarlane's divine influence, (which I can't fathom). I'll at least give the guy credit for punching above his weight in that department, especially getting people like Neeson and Theron to be in his stupid little show.
I declare this episode to be the fourth "good" episode of The Orville.
1.5 Pria (Charlize Theron episode)
2.8 Identity
2.9 Identity Part II
3.6 Twice in a Lifetime
I thought what they did to 10yolder Gordo was fricked and Anne dropping the plandemic was messed up and took me right out of it.
Also Seth's acting was terrible in most scenes then making his gf a lezbo and having her rant about munching rug in 2400 like it's some sort of accomplishment made her look like a ripe c**t. Isaac didn't deserve any of his shit treatment either I found this season quite mean spirited at times for no reason than to just cause clunky exposition and conflict. It definitely peaked with the nazi lizard lady, suicide and mutation episodes this and the trans kids episodes on the other hand where badly made and wreaked of 2020-2022 bts scamdemic production hell.
I also find skelly Kelly too thin and Seth's sticc gf sucks the air out of the room she cannot act
Ed wasn't going to just walk away and not tell Gordon what they were about to do. He won't just ambush his friend quietly.
Besides, remember the scene near the beginning with the sandwich? As Isaac told them, intentionally changing outcomes causes a separate universe to splinter off. Older Gorden got to keep his family.
The fallout implication is that there is at least one universe in which the Orville simply vanishes never to return.
Sure the tangent universe remained and yet the younger Gordos reaction is out of character I think in fact most of them acted way out of character long before that occurred what a weird episode to draw praise as being old trek like. It's just as bad as the israeliteman shows sometimes.
Was she really preggo?
>younger Gordos reaction is out of character
You don't know what you're talking about. Multiple times in the episode they spelled out his perspective. It was Gordon that told Ed what was required to change his mind, and it was going back to when he landed.
Then why did it all come across as mean spirited? Why was there so much wriggle room when they did the same shit with the two kellys
Frick This episode I don't like it I dunno why anons like something I don't.
>Then why did it all come across as mean spirited?
It's called bad writing, anon. The Orville doesn't have any other kind.
Writing and dialogue with Gordon shit was pretty tight compared to other episodes. It's one of the positives with this one.
Yeah, this.
That's pretty much what was missing that would have really helped, at least try to talk to the guy like a friend instead of 'muh regulations'.
Gordos acting was fantastic much better than everyone else in this episode.
My issue is with how Ed and Kelly acted like robots as you said. The writing on their parts really felt hackneyed
That's what I don't get. Your best friend for your whole life who has always had trouble with relationships and been lonely suddenly has a loving wife, children, and seems genuinely happy. Somehow your instant reaction is to say he's a criminal and should be shot? Ed's always been over the top forgiving to everybody but when he sees his best friend in this situation he doesn't feel a thing? Not sure how they left it like this.
Because he's a white redhead and they just had to rub in how selfish old white men are who just want a family even if the world has gone to complete shit. You will sacrifice your best friend wife kids and family for a good goy shot and die for israel... I mean the union!
As other anons said it's bad writing they've wasted over 2hrs of screen time this season on insequencquental crap
If you think that of s3 I don't blame you
S2 ha d a handful of good episodes that are up there with tos tng ds9 eny and voy
This season however seems to take a page out of nu trek writing style and its really bad.
Mmmm its like in the space of 3 years they went from making a cute little trek spin off parody to a full on
I AM ALWAYS RIGHT LISTEN TO ME I AM A MORAL ARBITOR YOU WILL GET THE VAX PLEB kinda space nazi vibe this season and I don't like it. Mainly because the quality of writing took a sharp turn into shit head leftie loonacy when gene roddenberry tos was more Center left not authoritarianism 1984 space Kremlin Marxist shit
Kek this
>I dunno why anons like something I don't.
Don't feel bad bro. I'm a noir fan that hates Double Indemnity.
The smugness. They needed a scene of Ed getting really into how happy his best friend is and they could have Kelly be the b***h that reels him in and explains the potential consequences. Even better Ed could argue against her and in the end it's Gordon who has a conversation with Ed and tells Ed to do it. There's just so many better ways to do this episode than "we're going to drag you kicking and screaming in front of your wife and kid" It really does come off as mean spirited.
>There's just so many better ways to do this episode than "we're going to drag you kicking and screaming in front of your wife and kid"
It's weird to me that after all that they just end up going 10 years back in time which is exactly the thing they should have planned to do in the first place. They didn't even have a discussion about how much fuel they dug up and whether going 10 years back before going forward would be risky or anything else. It was such a nonissue that it makes no sense why it wasn't Plan A.
That's your projection.
Ed found a way to save Gordon without arresting him. Gordon got to be rescued before he lost his personal beliefs and had to go native.
I can't disagree with any of this in principle. Easygoing don't-give-a-frick Gordon not forgiving Isaac and gossiping about him like a b***h seemed way out of character in particular. When I mentioned that people insisted he was doing some Trek secret double-agent Tom Paris mission. That would expain/fix it, but I don't think that's gonna happen somehow. It's just part of the 'everyone has a persistent animus for Isaac' premise of the season.
+10yrs Gordon could've been a cool "Thomas Riker" in future seasons actually. Like if he did lose his family but he persisted and figured out how to cross timelines or some shit like that.
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You say that like you didn't have that option all along. Curious.
Seth has negative charisma.
that suits his character then
Just realized the wife is Leighton Meester
bruh thats fricking trippy just rewatched Thats my boy yesterday and I didnt realize
Yeah and she can't act
She was just there for eye candy
Eye candy? That 2/10 b***h lol.
What's with her ridiculous fricking name too? It's the stupidest sounding name I've ever fricking heard. I mean I thought Charlize Theron was bad, but at least that b***h actually is eye candy and can act.
charlize theron also killed her dad which is kinda based
Will we get an episode about yaphit?
Since... well you know
TRACTOR BOY
GOT YOU IN MY TRACTOR BEAM
This show is horrible. Absolutely dreadful writing frick off dumbass and watch actual profound worthwhile media you rick and Morty science loving homosexual Seth MacFarlane is not actually an atheist
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Steve the AI is acting weird again.
As the parent of a trans son "A Tale of Two Topas" hit all the right notes
I gotta hand it to Seth. He's gone from Meg transitioning on Family Guy as a joke to this. It's very obvious to me the writers either have direct, personal experience or did their homework really, really well.
>Bortus: "I don't know how to help my daughter."
That line hit hard. It's exactly how you feel at first. Being trans is something I knew very little about and had no experience with. I didn't know what to say or what to do except be as supportive and loving as I can. I worried about my son's safety, especially at school. I worried about him being happy and navigating life with all the complications people will throw at him over this.
My wife and I also talk about how we grieved at first. We lost a daughter. I mean, on a deeper level you could argue we never had a daughter to begin with, sure. But we spent 12 years believing we had a daughter and that reality was gone. You daydream a lot as a parent about the person your child will grow up to be and that huge part of that daydream was gone. We had to deal with the loss of that daydream to move on and start having new dreams for him.
>Topa: "What does it feel like to be dead?"
We got notified by the school once that our son had searched "ways to die' on his school laptop. This was about a year before he came out to us. Our dreams of a daughter growing up as a woman were nothing compared to what we got which was a return of our happy, hilarious kid. Our son is just a whole lot happier since figuring things out. Nothing else really matters after that.
>Bortus: "You are perfect."
Your kid is going to figure out who they are. That's perfection. You can have these ideas of who you think they're going to be when they grow up but don't get too attached to those ideas. They're their own person and they know themselves way better than you do.
And then finally:
>Topa smiling in the end
That says it all. My kid was smiling again when he came out to us. You don't need anything else. Whatever challenges he'll face and whatever ideas we may have had for him are all secondary when you see your kid happy again. Why anybody should think a happy kid is not enough I just don't know.
>As the parent of a trans son "A Tale of Two Topas" hit all the right notes
You could not possibly sound more like a shill right now, holy fricking shit.
Is this from Reddit?
There's no difference if you haven't noticed. There are people right here who watch this horseshit show.
>There's no difference if you haven't noticed. There are people right here who watch this horseshit show.
All the banned normies come here anyway it was bound to happen as discord Msm and reddit tightened the noose around free speech. It's even getting bad here. And yep thus show sucks now too s3 had had some terrible writing and characters acting completely out of character. Close to dropping the show and if they cancel it I wouldn't be surprised.
you can take it as a criticism of both sides really.
>the whole ep saying you are only what you were originally born
That's perfection
You child has a mental illness and you are doing them the greatest disservice you can as a parent by allowing them to continue on with this.
It has already been proven that females "transition" for social points more often than they "transition" for dysphoric reasons.
You will likely live to regret this support, I just hope for everyone's sake that your daughter does too.
it's always fully been at star trek discovery and picard level this isn't new. though it does feel like a highschool drama class doing a parody even of those shows.
Gordo has a family with the woman of his dreams. What kind of man would just accept that his family is going to be wiped from existence?
Honestly, he should have killed them when he had the chance. In reality, there is zero chance 2015 Gordo would be “how could I be so selfish?”
That was the unrealistic part.
And theoretically, if the bubble (warp field) could somehow reduce the mass of the ship to 0, it probably could go at light speed with little/no energy. I’ve been thinking that anti-energy could theoretically move at infinite speed.
i would fricking shoot them in the back in a nanosecond
>how could I be so selfish
You're simply wrong. That is exactly the correct perspective for him to have had about it.
That’s insane. They took his family away. His life that he loved so much that he at the very least pulled a gun on them for.
If someone said you could be absolutely happy in 10 years, but you don’t see your current coworkers ever again, what choice would you make?
It’s not even a tough decision.
Yeah but everything he believes in says that if Ed or Kelly were in that position he should do what they did. That's why a moment of contemplation where Gordon quietly tells Ed to do what he needs to do would have resolved all of this.
I’m not quite following you.
2025 Gordo tells Ed he needs to do something?
Anon is upset that Ed and Gordon didn't kiss and discuss it like little girls. He wants to ignore that both of them discussed the issue multiple times even to the point of yelling.
>Gordon has moment of clarity and remembers his ideals telling Ed and Kelly to do it
>Ed walks into his best friends house ready to have him beaten and kidnapped in front of his family so he can be put on trial as the biggest criminal they can think of
One of these things is in character, the other is not.
The second round of time travel is clearly a risk to the entire crew. Taking Gorden in immediately will spare the rest of the crew from taking that risk.
Was it a risk? They didn't mention that at all in the show it seemed incredibly inconsequential.
They ran out of fuel on the first trime and broke the machine in the process of doing the second jump. The whole device was experimental from the get-go.
>>Ed walks into his best friends house ready to have him beaten [by a chick with superhuman strength] and kidnapped in front of his family so he can be put on trial as the biggest criminal they can think of
That was really an grim scene, definitely not something I'd expect from a light hearted sci fi show
People Ed will forgive: Krill spy who tried to kill him, cheating ex wife, robot who betrayed your people and killed millions, black guy humping a statue on undercover mission causing huge problems, Bortus putting a porn virus on the ship that nearly killed everybody, and ensign lesbo refusing orders in front of crew on the bridge in life death situation.
People he won't forgive: his best friend for not living his life like Kaczynski after being stranded
This episode his character is just a robot and it's noticeably bad.
>People he won't forgive: his best friend for not living his life like Kaczynski after being stranded
HE FRICKED WITH TIME ITSELF, HE COULD HAVE ENDED ALL OF EXISTENCE, moron
well what's existence done for him lately
existing
2015 Gorden didn't have a family. He doesn't miss them. They are completely hypothetical to him, and he's been to the same boot camp as Ed to learn about time travel rules.
I get that. But if 2015 Gordo is told “you had a family with Leighton Meester (who was in love with previously), a kid with one on the way, and you were so happy you pulled a gun on us to stop us”… would you still say thank you? Great job, I shouldn’t have had that life that made me so happy?
He believes in preserving the timeline, he believes in abortion, and he eats a vegan diet. In his view, nobody suffered and Ed just saved him from 3 years of eating murder meat.
It was so quick it should have had a little more. Understanding in the first second that "oh yeah everything I believe in says do it" but there should have been some kind of "oh shit wait I had kids and was happy?"
Yeah you know when the science fiction part in a trek show becomes implausible something is wrong.
>Can we also talk about how stupid the bike and dyke scene were?
Only made worse in retrospect after her basement rant. What a fricking stupid scene.
Did everyone involved in this episode have a blood clot induced stroke half way through making it? Wait don't answer that!
>In reality, there is zero chance 2015 Gordo would be “how could I be so selfish?”
You're forgetting that Ed and Kelly control the narrative, he's hearing the story from THEIR perspective so it's going to be a biased retelling that lacks Gordon's perspective and emotions we can see so clearly as unbiased observers.
The Gordon that lived that first few months of hellish isolation is a completely different person than the Gordon that didn't live that experience. I was fine with it.
I don’t think there is a way you can tell that story to 2015 Gordo that doesn’t enrage him.
Do you think it is that hard for you to understand the motivations of your future self?
>Do you think it is that hard for you to understand the motivations of your future self?
If that future self is colored by experiences you haven't yet had then yeah you have no fricking idea what it's like to be that future self.
Especially when he's expressed constantly that he's lonely and unhappy with himself in present time. To be told you had a genuinely happy life with a family and to not react at all is just unrealistic.
He quite literally doesn't know what he's missing out on and has no reason to question the temporal law.
>hey anon you depressed lonely frick there was this reality where you had a family and you became genuinely happy but dont worry i came in and put a stop to that because even though we saw it didn't have any effect on the timeline we think its wrong
>g-gee thanks
There should have been at least some reservation to "good job friends you saved me"
>hey anon you depressed lonely frick
I really think you're exaggerating this aspect of his character.
>there was this reality where you had a family and you became genuinely happy
Who's to say they didn't downplay this? It's not like they'd be talking up how fantastic his life was, they saw it as primitive and gross themselves so it wouldn't be portrayed THAT positively.
>but dont worry i came in and put a stop to that because even though we saw it didn't have any effect on the timeline we think its wrong
Again, you're not thinking about how Ed and Kelly's perspective would color the explanations of everything. Gordon would only be hearing their side of every argument, regarding the timeline in flux and how they don't truly know what could have happened if they didn't step in immediately, regarding how Gordon lost his shit and pointed a gun at them when they came to peacefully escort him back to the ship... And yeah, we know that's not what happened but that's how it would be from THEIR perspective and that's how Gordon would have heard it without any actual life experience to contradict what they're saying.
He never experienced it.
WTF is going on, babby’s first time travel episode, or are you fricks genuinely this lonely and moronic?
To Gordon at the end of the episode, it’s just a story about a woman who has been dead for 400+ years.
Yep. And if Gordon was sad and lonely to a significant degree that would be something, but guy is having parties and having a pretty rich social life at the start of the episode.
Can we also talk about how stupid the bike and dyke scene were?
>Could have done without the lesbian crap even being mentioned
I didn't even took it that way. I thought she meant bffs or some shit not that she wanted to bone her dead friend.
They had implied it before this, and since you naturally assume woke it wouldn't be a shock, but at this point I'm going to take it as read she's outright talking about scissoring.
She literally says "I loved her" and "I never got to tell her" and "I could see spending the rest of my life with her."
>being triggered by a hot lesbian
is this really what men have become?
>hot woman you can't frick
What's the point?
>eh thinks he has a chance with a 10 fictional character on the tv is she's straight
You follow rules in your rem sleep? Oh grasshoppa
>sucking Grimes' dick THIS hard
What are you, his fricking agent? Piss off. Orville is pozzed trash. Also, FRICK GRIMES for not participating in the Scream Factory Critters blu ray interviews.
Time travel shit is always so boring
>oh no, we're in the past, now we have to make sure we leave without making any ripples, or we could destabilize the future!
Been done a million times. And everyone's just like "let's destroy this family for some byzantine laws even though we didn't give a shit about Union law not one episode before when greenlighting the operation on Topa".
Frick off with that shit, worst episode of the season by far.
It felt like entirely different characters in this episode. They were risking the lives of everybody in their faction with that choice for some random niglet. But for best bud you call him a criminal and imply he should be executed for making unnoteworthy changes to the past.
Left a bad taste in my mouth. The original episode in S2 was great but this ruined it
glad we got more ensign cutie this episode.
I didn't realize how skinny she was until this episode.
yeah jesus look at these sticc legs
I love it. Frick "thick" fatties, give me a qt sticc any day.
Frick that if a woman can't hump at least 30lbs of gear while also carrying a child she's useless.
"sticc" has really lost all meaning if that's sticc. Those just look slim to me.
Sticc just means not obese now.
Made me cry. Shit that was better than some Star Trek episodes along the same plot line. Gordo's the best character, superior to some Star Trek characters in fact.
>It's a Seth sticks his penis in my arse episode
Sorry, but I'm just not going to watch a show with lesbians or gays in it. Lesbians are fine if they're hot and make out but that's the most I'll go.
I find the continued presence of Yaphit ghoulish
Your mother said the same thing about you.
number one rule of time travel is you do not fricking use time travel
once you use it, billions of paradoxes will spawn and tear the fabric of reality
hell, even just inventing it will immediately cause the fabric of reality to tear, just because of what could potentially happen or had happened
Good episode, I just wish the cast had the acting talent to live up to the writing. Oh well at least it was a solid star trek story.
yet another one of seth's masturbatory scripts
>lesbo shit
>climate change
>blaming problems on the 21st century
>duty over family
>killing animals is bad
How did the Kaylon find out about the device?
SIGINT probably.
HOW
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Why didn't they just teleport the orville back in time to before the research station got hit and save it???
You’ve discovered the problem with time travel
Once you can harness the power of time, you can use it for literally anything and bullshit your way out of paradoxes
temporal laws or some shit
they also said the laws required them to try to save their dude
I once sucked off Scott Grimes in his car. He has a nice fat cut wiener.
Why are still watching a show that's been cancelled? Seems kinda a waste of time.
Because it's mostly comfy sci-fi kino and WAY better than all of nu-trek except SNW.
>all of nu-trek except SNW.
Is it as comfy as Orville?
It's not that comfy but it's the best Trek since ENT ended if that counts for anything. Just skip episode 7 so you don't have to see the horrifying troon.
Shut up Trekkie, Orville is what you wish Trek could be again.
Captain Kirk would have just brought old Gordon and his whole family back to the future.
The City on the Edge of Forever
Kirk let a woman that he loved die so that he could restore the future that Bones had inadvertently changed.
Yes but in Gordon's case it was the best for the timeline just to bring his family that wouldn't have existed out of time
Kirk brought back Jillian Taylor just cuz she wanted to..
older gordon still exist in his own timeline being happily married with his wife and kids
they said so themselves in the episode - alternate timelines diverges
It's intentionally left ambiguous, we may never know if that timeline vanished or slit off.
>we may never know if that timeline vanished or slit off.
Something's up. They wouldn't put in realistic time dilation effects and screw up something like causality.
They used the alternate version of time travel because they wanted to destroy the time machine and remove it from the bigger narrative. The choices were either to conveniently break it the moment they got home, or to break it early and come up with another way to come home. they chose the latter.
>to break it early and come up with another way to come home.
I'm talking about Gordon's rescue. They created a time paradox when they rescued him five months before he sent the message that bought the team there.
I don't believe it's an accident. They explained how this worked with the sandwich. They didn't have to do the sandwhich scene at all. The sandwich scene doesn't explain anything else in the episode except for the backdoor that would let both timelines persist.
>I don't believe it's an accident.
Me neither. This show is amazing because it still holds up if you watch it like a hawk.
I would be surprised if this was an accident. They explain with the egg sandwich the issue of time paradoxes, then they go out of their way to explain when they jump back to 2015 that they landed a bit off the mark.
I feel like they're going to bring it back somehow. Maybe the union gets word of the info and they have to justify keeping that timeliness so gordo can live it out with his family
Dude, this is probably the last season. It's over.
You said that about season 1
If it comes back it will be without seth and the guy that plays gordon because they are doing a Ted tv series.
>If it comes back it will be without seth and the guy that plays gordon because they are doing a Ted tv series.
It doesn't have to. If each show does ten episode runs, they can do both.
Trek's time-travel mechanic has more inertia. Nobodies don't change events.
Orville is more butterfly effect. It's hard not to change things. The best they could hope for was to exist in a superposition until they made a move to make events permanent.
According to the sandwich scene, making intentional inconsistencies will result in fracturing into multiple universes. Gordon both kept his family and was rescued, in different timelines. Orville simply traveled into the timeline they needed to live in, while abandoning the two timelines they had previously occupied.
If Ed had taken the kids, and then gone back 10 years to rescue Gordon, we would know a lot more about the implications of the way Orville treats time travel. We would get to see whether they fade away or whether they keep existing. I never thought it was particularly believable that something could fade away; If your molecules are here, then they are here until something takes them physically.
>If your molecules are here, then they are here until something takes them physically.
Maybe time goblins take them.
langoliers
>If your molecules are here, then they are here until something takes them physically.
But the chemicals to make up those children will still exist, just not combined into a human form. They just get rewound, like a snowman collapsing back into snow on the ground and then falling upwards back into the clouds.
There has to be a physical mechanism to cause the change. If you're here, you're here until acted on by an external force.
Where's "here"
If you time-travel back to point A, then you've done something to put yourself at point A. Killing your grandparents shouldn't impact you personally, because there are no molecule goblins to come reset your atoms out from under you. Moving forward in the new timeline, theversion of you for that timeline won't be born, but you're already walking around and won't just vanish.
Oh I see what you mean now, like if they'd taken the kids out of their timeline and then went back and rescued Gordo, they wouldn't fade away, they would either continue to exist or would never have existed. I think in this universe they'd continue to exist, but it is hard to unravel. The thinking would be that once they go back and rescue 2015 Gordon then the 2025 timeline would cease to exist, but it needs to exist for them to be able to get the dysonium to continue back to 2015.
I would say that the mechanic would be more like jumping to a new universe and that you never really can change the events of any universe. The new universe expected you to arrive with whatever baggage you were carrying. Attempts to travel backward just put you in another new universe.
>Seth makes a solid modern day-time travel episode right after Pic spent an entire season butchering it
Is there anything he can't do
Was ready to call grimes a chad for being married to Adrianne Palicki eventhought he's a manlet ginger but just found out they divorced sad.
I think it was amicable though, they just didn't work as a couple. Which is still pretty Chad, he proved he could lock her down and marry her and then harmlessly dissolve the relationship so he can prowl around other cute girls like Ensign Chubbycheeks without penalty
Yeah it seems they went on good terms which is wholesome at least you got a good point. He probably get any b***h he wants if he starts singing in steves voice anyways.
I wish they would stop painting the lipstick outside her lip line. It doesn't make her lips look bigger or fuller, it just makes her look like a moron who can't color inside the lines.
>No future sandwich suddenly popping out of nowhere for the punchline/payoff?
I fully expect that sandwich to appear randomly in a future episode.
I imagine Gordon will be looking at the phone, and when he gets emotional looking at the pictures of his alternate life, like another anon suggested, the sandwich will pop up.
How would his phone get alternate life pictures?
Interdeminsion phone caused by the split that Gordon created when he started the family.
You know I didn't realize that was Johnny Knoxville until I saw his name in the credits.
Did you see how skeletal his upper arms looked? That motherfricker is the walking dead.
So when they're not using the reactor shielding shit, aren't they just going slow while the rest of the world is going fast, so wouldn't their ship be visible for hundreds of years while for them it's just been minutes??
Frick yes. Great shit.
End of post.
Not a fan of how long the episodes are this season. The Talla John sex scene and the armwrestling scene could've been cut
The Talla-John sex scene didn't even make any fricking sense. Did they just frick right there in front of the engineering crew who could all hear the massage noises?
>Did they just frick right there in front of the engineering crew who could all hear the massage noises?
I'm pretty sure that they just made out.
Still awkward, weird, and incredibly unprofessional. It's fine if they're going to hook up, but it felt so fricking shoehorned in that moment.
Well, they're in 2025. It's not like they're going to get court-martialed for that.
>it felt so fricking shoehorned in that moment
She hit his spot through his back with her super strength and he couldn't control himself. It happens. In space.
Takes a lot to freak out the engineering crew. Would have loved a reaction from Yaphit though.
We probably don't want to know what the polka-dot alien gets up to when he's all alone in Engineering with a sandwich.
Why wouldn’t they just hop forward a millennia then use the device to bring more modern tech back…
The whole separation of ftl from time dilation is dumb.
They are already outside of their prime timeline. Moving forward puts them in contact with advanced beings that oppose their intention to restore events.
Does Grimes deserve to be happy?
He needs to put out a "steve" album for funds, then pump out his own stuff off the back of that. He has the voice of the angel
I hope they don't go the O'Brien route and torture Mallory as often as possible. He really is /ourguy/
I can fix her
why did seth make her a lesbian
That fricking whatever-it's-called diversity score you have to hit to get blackrock israelite money for your show.
Schizoids are fantastically moronic. Yes I know what you're referencing, and yes you're still moronic.
Not that anon, but how is talking about DEI schitzo, if it's real?
It's more about the delusion of everyone catering to it for cash from a specific source, when it isn't some magic wand that makes that cash appear and it really doesn't work that way. Plenty of investments are made without its use, and what it values changes with society's values.
You get people putting in interracial couples or legbutts into media because it's popular and it keep more people interested, not with the intent that big daddy Blackrock or whichever group of israelites is going to invest. It's just about motive and it's the newest ~~*they*~~ meme. It's just low effort and annoying is all.
>putting in interracial couples or legbutts into media because it's popular
You can meme all you want but you're posting a gif from a show who has, since it's inception, tried to push the barriers of generic American Christian social norms. Cinemaphile isn't society.
And yet somehow that show is beloved by all creeds and races while most nu-trek is universally reviled by the vast majority of the fanbase.
On Cinemaphile*
Most people agree Picard had a tough start but the sheer hate and distaste is really just here.
bruh there's youtube vids shitting on picard with millions of views just look at rlm
Lmaokek
No one is saying it is getting unlimited blowjobs, it's just not as hated as Cinemaphile makes it out to be. And that the hate is coming from muh pandering is also based in Cinemaphile, and it's not like posters here only post here. Like that cringey ass magic the gathering sub which is just mtg but with a /misc/ angle.
the people hating on it here are gays from the /trek/ general that are mad that everybody hates their nutrek that they constantly shill, so this is their pretty revenge.
true
>Lmaokek
weird reply. it ain't just Cinemaphile m8
Yeah no.
Review sites, news sites or any site that gets its money through ads tends to review modern Trek positively and moderate it's comments to fit.
But whenever you see Trek pop up somewhere unrelated, down in some comment chain or in private groups or elsewhere there's usually genuine criticisms, or at least a wish it were better.
Cinemaphile is Cinemaphile, but the take that modern Trek is actually not like getting infinite free blowjobs isn't limited to just here.
she's a lesbian? i thought they already hit the diversity quota with the gay alien race? i guess that doesn't count because it was played for laughs?
my motivation to continue with orville was already pretty low but now i feel like just dropping it
not anymore, her gf died.
Built for Kaylon wiener
tfw no krill gf
SNW won, sorry Seth.
>in a way that is both old-school and brand-new.
Tell me you've been paid to write that review without telling me you've been paid to write that review.
So it was ok to stay in the past and possibly frick up the timeline in Star trek Picard but in the orville the guys a selfish monster whos friends would put him in chains and court martial him. Rios fricking that mexican doctor and harassing the ICE agents did more to create a future Hitler than any other timeline in a tv show. Hell he didn't even stay in LA, he went all over the world and died in a bar fight in Morocco over a first aid kit.
>in the orville the guys a selfish monster whos friends would put him in chains and court martial him.
The Orville has better writers.
How can anyone defend Ed and Kelly in this episode? They literally committed murder.
by that logic, every moment you spend not pro-creating, you're murdering your potential offspring that could've been born
Preserving the timeline saves an alternate set of lives.
You can't murder someone who never existed.
I like the cut of your jib sailor
Abortion isn't murder. :^)
The only out for them is that they don't really understand time travel. Potentially Gordon and his family lived out their lives in a branch timeline.
For a moment I thought Gordon was going to leave with them to save his kids though. If that timeline really was going to be erased then that would be the only way to preserve what they had up to that point.
Leaving the kids behind would not have been acceptable. They are literally the contamination that Gordon had created. One person creating two new people. Potentially become four, and so forth.
Ed would have accepted it though. That was their original plan after all.
It was a bad plan.
On top of that, just going back 10 more years before returning home was an absolute non-issue. It's not even called a risky choice or questioned in any way. There was absolutely no reason that Plan A wouldn't have been
>Whoops, we're 10 years late! Get some fuel for the warp drive and let's get to the right destination instead!
They should have at least seeded the idea that going further back might have some consequence or they weren't sure if they'd have enough fuel to jump back 10 years AND still get home to the right time period. Fricking SOMETHING to introduce stakes and give Ed and Kelly a REASON to try to extract Gordon+10 before finally giving up and settling on risking the trip back to OG Gordon.
That was the first thing Ed said. "Can't we just try again?" And they had some technical handwaving answer to put it off until the end of the episode.
They should have made it more clear, or maybe I'm just moronic (likely), but I just didn't feel the stakes in it at all. I kind of assumed they just wouldn't be able to get enough fuel since they had to be careful about the amount they mined, but then the fuel amount didn't matter and I felt like all the tension just deflated even further. Felt like they put Gordon through all that for nothing.
It's pretty normal for a time travel to reach the status quo, so there really are no stakes in that regard ever. You know from the start that the universe will survive. Absurdly high stakes are always the same as having no stakes at all.
Having said that, they were wise to make the stakes personal. The stakes were Roger's. The audience got to feel for him. It was a bit like that dilemma that Kirk had to face about letting the woman die in The City On The Edge of Forever.
>Roger
Meant Gordon.
Brain am tired.
>You know from the start that the universe will survive. Absurdly high stakes are always the same as having no stakes at all.
I agree, I just think that not making it clear enough that going back further in time isn't an option makes Ed and Kelly seem like absolute dickheads for what they put Gordon through. I felt for Gordon, and I agree that part was strong, but I fricking HATED Ed and Kelly because what they did never felt justified because their side had no personal stakes in terms of being forced to act there and then. That might have justified some of their more radical behavior to me as the viewer, but when they just said, "Fine, we'll go back 10 years," with no discussion or pushback from the crew whatsoever (not even a "Sir, are you SURE?" from John) it just made me wonder why they didn't do that in the first place, and that's not something you should feel in that type of situation because it's immersion-ruining.
Perhaps they felt that structuring the episode in that way would have made it heavy on exposition.
going back 10 more years
They didn't spell this out as strongly as they could have, but there was high risk in that plan. They spent their fuel on the first run, and broke the whole machine after the second. The device was an experimental prototype that could have stranded them easily.
>For a moment I thought Gordon was going to leave with them to save his kids though. If that timeline really was going to be erased then that would be the only way to preserve what they had up to that point.
>I feel like the stronger ending would have been Gordon making the decision to leave with them - that it was better for his family to at least survive without him than to be erased.
Agreed, really my only major issue with the episode is they didn't go there. Would have made this episode on par with some of Trek's best heart-wrenching episodes like 'Inner Light' and 'The Visitor'
>Kelly tries to do a good thing in the past
>Kaylons murdered everyone
>Kelly tries to help someone
>The race is viciously affected by her simple actions in their future
The moral here is to do the right thing in time travel is to do the bad thing.
I think what fricked with this idea was showing a biography of good-end Gordon without showing how it fricked with the timeline.
Nothing implied that his time in the past or death had any real impact. He was just a cool, smart dude who got a single paper written on him.
If they showed how the timeline was being fricked by him existing in the past, it could have worked so much more, but it was written off with the bullshit "Time is in flux" so it sours the ending.
>If they showed how the timeline was being fricked by him existing in the past, it could have worked so much more,
They're not going with a single timeline. They're going with multiverse theory.
Then that makes going back to save him even MORE pointless because the universe and time will survive just fine.
>Then that makes going back to save him even MORE pointless because the universe and time will survive just fine.
I think they have to do it because of the threat of court martial.
Ok that's actually pretty fair considering Ed's character.
They tried to use some dialog about events existing in a state of flux. As if their interpretation of the universe was that they themselves should fade out of existence, but were still around on vapors because nobody had looked to make the changes permanent yet. It's kinda the method they had of explaining why they weren't already dead, but were still in fear of potential changes they hadn't seen yet.
What is that blip on her uniform?
Answer me! Just look at her hip area and then her arm.
Did I download a marked copy? Will they come for me, now? ;(
>anon pirated a marked file
I'd start microwaving your hard drives now anon, they're coming for you
Leighton Meester is a qt.
Who else got diamonds here?
These are just wholesome girls offering a prayer dance to Avis.
>Avis: We Get Harder
Does it end with them sitting on my Avis?
Don't be sacrilegious Anon.
Cute
>the Krill punish people who terminate kids by extracting dna and making a simulation of kid who would of been
>Ed: "Do you really want our daughter to grow up in a world like this?"
*Ed wipes a wife and kids out 1 episodes later*
Yeah, Ed's fine with abortion and thinks people shouldn't be punished for it. It fits.
What flavor are Seth's pits?
Is this a reboot? I gave up on the show when I realized it was just poorly written Trek with Family Guy humor, but not edgy.
moron
homosexual
I just finished the episode, Orville bends the rules ALL THE TIME but you could not let the rules bend for Steve there! What the frick.
If I hear Edd whine about his Half Breed daughter one time after this I will refuse to care, you killed this mans whole family because of orders, when orders haven't meant SHIT in other episodes.
JUST LAST EPISODE you bent the rules for Bortis troony kid.
I loved this episode but it makes me hate Edd and the b***h. I know we could not continue the show without Steve there but GOD it hurt to watch him get his family riped away! Steve is the best actor on the show and all season I was looking foreword to "his" episode but I didn't think it would break my heart like this. I just wanted fun!
yeah, if they were going to erase the family there needed to be more reasoning than "something bad *might* happen". like i get that they're saying the timeline is in flux until they make a decision, but they needed more evidence of that because all we get is the obit where Gordon lives a very uninteresting and uneventful life and nothing bad results from it. we needed more indications that something has or really could get fricked up if he stays.
if not, then you just needed to have gordon choosing to leave so they can continue to exist
>then you just needed to have gordon choosing to leave so they can continue to exist
I really thought that was where they were going for a few seconds! Was sad to see otherwise. Like what was the point of that "family is beyond time" talk if he just stayed
>Bot Shill Thread #43534
>The Snoreville
...anon, the numbers are so bad for this show, it's Elon Musk-tier.