I know what he said, it was a marketing move because the producers wouldn't allow him full creative freedom. "it was too polarizing" Arnie mentions this in his book Total Recall. This is the one of those eccentricities that I absolutely despise in him, that he cave in to gnomish producers because of fear. It completely debases and devalues the entire narrative and plummets it into the schlock of average mediocrity. Imagine all of the strife, difficulty, absolute chaos that you have experienced at the hands of a corrupt and fallible power structure that you've realized is completely against your and people's common interests isn't actually real goyim, go back to your sleepy mediocrity and consoom the goyslop in docile peace as you never ever take any real control or agency over your life or anything at all as we quite literally sap the oxygen away from you. Total Recall is an absolutely brilliant film that exposes the nature of reality, the nature of corrupt hypercapitalist dystopia and man's TRUE role and potential within it. All of us - in one form or another is Douglas Quaid. Most of us choose to accept the dream narrative instead of realizing that potential. Like sheep, we sleep.
>I want to be a secret agent
ok well lets get you hooked up to this machine that will implant false memories of you being a secret agent
<five minutes after getting the implanted false memories>
Woah, it turns out you *are* a secret agent!
Turns out you were under deep cover!
Turns out people are trying to kill you left and right!
Turns out the women you specified exactly to be your ideal girlfriend is actually real as well, not just similar but identical!
Turns out It *IS* only you can save the day and the people of Mars!
Turns out there *are* alien artefacts on Mars and they're identical to the ones being shown on the Recall preview screens!
Turns out there will be a blue sky on Mars, exactly like on the Recall preview screens!
what a crazy coincidence!
What about all the scenes that don't involve Quaid in any way? Are those still part of his false memories somehow even though he isn't there to experience them? What purpose does it serve to show them to the viewer if not to add ambiguity?
>What about all the scenes that don't involve Quaid in any way? Are those still part of his false memories somehow even though he isn't there to experience them? What purpose does it serve to show them to the viewer if not to add ambiguity?
part of the simulation. Quaid doesn't need to be there for everthing, even if his mind is driving it.
>I want to be a secret agent
ok well lets get you hooked up to this machine that will implant false memories of you being a secret agent
<five minutes after getting the implanted false memories>
Woah, it turns out you *are* a secret agent!
Turns out you were under deep cover!
Turns out people are trying to kill you left and right!
Turns out the women you specified exactly to be your ideal girlfriend is actually real as well, not just similar but identical!
Turns out It *IS* only you can save the day and the people of Mars!
Turns out there *are* alien artefacts on Mars and they're identical to the ones being shown on the Recall preview screens!
Turns out there will be a blue sky on Mars, exactly like on the Recall preview screens!
what a crazy coincidence!
>what a crazy coincidence!
I think it works out better that way. Some old construction worker has fantasies and dreams of a more action packed life. the film goes very over the top and it just works better that this is a fantasy, and as such kind of a satire and meta commentary on action films.
>as such kind of a satire and meta commentary on action films.
I don't see it as witty or interesting at all. In fact the opposite, it appears as extremely pedantic and devoid of any genuine spirit. This is the same narrative that people bring up with starship troopers of whether or not it's satire and what works better. You are missing the point with this line of thinking.
Ultimately it is irrelevant what you believe in or what even the author says, the movie establishes an opportunity for you, the viewer, to examine the structures of your own reality and hopefully start asking the right questions in order to grow and mature in consciousness, both as a person and a member of a community that you inhabit as well. If you accept a community that implies it's working class has no choice but to fantasize about a better life than what that society offers them, then the system they inhabit is fundamentally broken and in dire need of awareness and change. The beauty of Total Recall isn't about "is it fantasy or reality?", it's "What if there's more to my reality and what's possible than this and I have been robbed of that choice by corrupt broken systems and individuals in great power who are trying to keep me asleep?". Unfortunately this is the true subversion of western civilization, the true "wokeism" that never happened, that has been coopted by trillionaire fund think tanks that keep the populace endlessly distracted and infighting about absolutely nothing, wasting away as their oxygen supply is continuously commercialized and taken away in the atomized "perfect" existence you call "reality".
Look at Verhoeven films as a whole, every single piece of the puzzle he directed he has been trying to warn you.
The short story follows the exact same trajectory and culminates with finding out he had buried memories of being a sleeper agent for an alien invasion, and now they have an alien invasion to deal with. Basically the idea if we figure out how to write and rewrite memories, others will have too
Everything was recall memories. In fact, I think the doctor/red pill scene is part of the fun, too. What ceo or whatever wouldn't want to be inserted as a bad guy into the memories. Like a game dev. If you think of Total Recall as a video game then it makes more sense.
He wakes up and he goes home with this awesome memory.
This is a direct reference to how the real rulers of the world tip their hand constantly and show you what they're going to do years before it happens. Look at every single major event for the past 100 years and you will find some form of media outlet that has predated it.
This guy knows what's up.
Everything was recall memories. In fact, I think the doctor/red pill scene is part of the fun, too. What ceo or whatever wouldn't want to be inserted as a bad guy into the memories. Like a game dev. If you think of Total Recall as a video game then it makes more sense.
He wakes up and he goes home with this awesome memory.
>Like a game dev. If you think of Total Recall as a video game then it makes more sense.
Life is like a videogame and you were supposed to be a dev, instead the real devs make sure you never leave tutorial island. Stop and think about how much of your potential is robbed from you and you don't even realize. Take even the $$$ you carry in your pocket, you don't even know how wealth is generated, what it even means... and yet you're a slave to it for life.
>it has to be real otherwise my schizo headcanon is ruined
Verhoeven is my favorite director of all time. He is a true dutchman, to the core, an absolute shit stirrer. Why? Because he's a special kind of christian. An atheist that believes in Jesus Christ. That's a very dangerous combo against government and religious structure. All of his work is satirical on purpose but laced with constant warnings against human nature, sexuality, violence, western civilization, political ideologies, you can find just about anything in his films. This is not my headcanon, dummy. Literally look at his entire filmography and pay close attention to absolutely every single detail instead of going on youtube and watching a 10 minute promo interview about absolutely nothing or the commentary where he sits with Arnie who just narrates what's happening on the screen. The real meat of the social commentary is laced in-between the lines and in the small statements he sometimes drops here and then. None of you even understand what it takes to be a player in Hollywood in the first place.
This segment in the movie is purposeful to caution against sexuality and lust. How control predicates the role in relationships, how man's need for connection and love is used as just another way to subvert and control narrative through the memory and identity of Quaid. He is seemingly happy and content with this 10/10 wife, similarly to how millionaires feel after going to a fancy cruise ship with all the earthly desires they can wish for and yet they are still worthless and miserable. Because it - isn't real -. There's no authenticity and humans can sense that. Quaid senses that there is something wrong with his life, something that just doesn't seem right but he cannot understand it. That is the primal human spirit embedded in each person. It's not that " he feels bored and wants more out of life" that is a completely shallow way of looking at it, it's that " what is there isn't real". Because it isn't. Nothing about our lives nowadays is. If you watch his movies back to back, it's uncanny how even though the structures of society might differ but human nature is exactly the same even today.
Man, remember when Schizos used to be original?
Now it's all just this vomited YouTube Retard shit.
I am writing about my favorite movie and my favorite director of all time as a reply to something that was posted. This is a discussion board if you are confused. Also, I do not watch youtube unless I absolutely have to anymore. Verhoeven is truly an absolute genius and I sincerely believe that even those that don't understand it completely will come back to it, eventually, with newfound awareness.
I agree with you on Verhooven being a genius. I recently watched TR again & was amazed that many shots and sequences reminded me of Kubrick's movies in the sense that they feel strangely modern no matter the setting or plot
it was real
they were selling you shit that you were supposed to take in as a real memory after it's over and you're back to your life
first thing he does is kill his coworker
>every part of the adventure the Rekall guy tells Quaid about ends up happening, even the two-headed monster >Milena's face shows up on the Rekall screen after they ask him to describe his perfect love interest >this is before they start the procedure to implant the memories >pill guy tells Quaid "the walls of reality will come crashing down" and that Quaid and Cohasgon will be "busom buddies" >soldiers literally tear down the walls to get Quaid as soon as he shoots the guy, Quaid and Cohaagen turn out to be busom buddies >the whole pill guy scheme is too fucking bizarre to be real in the first place >whole plot with all it's twists and turns is pretty damn nonsensical and contradictory if you really think about it, like Cohaagen's goons trying to kill Quaid
It all being a dream is actually a lot more straightforward than it being real, if it would be real then there's a ridiculous amount of bizarre coincidences and the plot is straight up stupid.
I will defend both interpretations, this movie is still Verhoeven's best adaption, he definitely got it right on "it could both be real and both be a dream" with how you add up all the movie logic and dialogue. I will fight all previous posters tooth and nail.
His totem wasn’t the top that was his wife’s totem his totem was his kids faces. When he saw the kids turn and saw their faces he knew he was in the real world
>His totem wasn’t the top that was his wife’s totem his totem was his kids faces. When he saw the kids turn and saw their faces he knew he was in the real world >It’s not even subtle
Wrong. The entire movie is a dream.
As others have said, not his totem. The point is that he turned away before he found out; he's accepted the situation as reality, whether it's a dream or not.
>The point is that he turned away before he found out; he's accepted the situation as reality, whether it's a dream or not.
It is a dream, he just ends on a part of a dream that makes him happy.
All of it's a dream by one man; basically an architect (in real life) who had 2 kids and divorced and has regrets.
>
The ending is ambiguous, but not for the reasons people think.
The actual twist was realising that he actually was set up as well as being mentally unwell. There are way too many clues in the film if you pay attention
I've seen that shit several times before. "ooh, it's a mystery if he's delusional at the end or actually remembers everything, so deep".
It's either people not getting the ending and thinking their lack of understanding means it's the film's ending that's ambiguous, or it's people just pretending in order to do some "Film ending explained!!!!" video.
I saw some of that shit last week. I'd watched Talk to Me, liked it, and looked online to see what other people were saying. I was surprised to see these comment going "oooh, was it actually the mother or some other ghost? It's so hard to say. It's just one of the reasons the film stays with you afterwards." Meanwhile it's perfectly clear what had happened.
my brother. He said you can't tell if he was really the killer or if he was innocent and they were framing him
>Tehee the real experiment was implanting false memories!
It seems very far-fetched, and it doesn't seem to make sense.
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Anonymous
you would've been surprised how many people thought that after watching the movie. >it's an ending open to interpretation. We don't know if he was really a killer
this shit was common as fuck. I assumed that's what OP meant
No, it's the last lines and whether he's really back in the detective persona that "needs" to be explained.
7 days ago
Anonymous
zoom zoom
7 days ago
Anonymous
there are entire forums with massive amounts of posts of people debating whether he was really a killer or if it was a conspiracy. If you weren't a zoomer you would remember so many people debating that thing back in the day
7 days ago
Anonymous
the zoomies today can't even read, nevermind be able to string more than two sentences together that aren't buzzwords, racial slurs or absolute nonsense
the result of public education and online scrolling addiction, purposefully designed to dehumanize, demoralize and de-intellectualize every single able-bodied person into a docile, weak and braindead consumer
7 days ago
Anonymous
That’d be nice if there weren’t always a huge demographic of retards in every society.
7 days ago
Anonymous
I was thinking the same as soon as I posted. I'm not a terribly smart person myself but you're not alone in that sentiment. I'm certain tons of people feel it too and suffer these people everywhere just the same, not just now but throughout history too.
7 days ago
Anonymous
The big issue is they’re so overloaded with information/stimulus they can’t be weaponized to get something done about the current state of shit.
7 days ago
Anonymous
Are some people debating that? Sure.
That does not mean that the vast majority of people/articles/whatever about the "ambiguous" ending is about the state of his mind at the very end. You have to wade through 10 of the latter explanations to see someone discussing the former.
The ending of shutter island is ambiguous in the sense of whether he’s legitimately insane or would just rather play at it to get lobotomized, just to live a little while without knowing what he did, what happened, fear of the afterlife, etc.
What doesn't make sense? Travis killed some bastards who had a minor in prostitution, and people considered him a hero for it + Acceptance from his colleagues + The girl becomes interested in him again.
It makes perfect sense.
No, you are delusional or a pedo and that's why you don't understand it.
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Anonymous
You're trying to tell someone that he doesn't understand the take that every idealistic 15 year old viewer would have before they learn what is and isn't possible in real life.
What the fuck was ambiguous about it? The detective was actually the mental patient and everyone was playing along trying to cure him by having him act out solving a mystery but in the end it didn't work and he stayed crazy. Was this really too much for people to grasp?
This shit. The part where Mr Granger shows up is a massive filter for most people.
Midwits say that they can follow all the timelines perfectly. The actual truth is that it's impossible because the characters fucked up so badly that even they don't know what happened.
All we know is that at some point Mr Granger found out about the box and that he tried to go back in time to do something. The inference is that something happened with his daughter at the party, but we don't know exactly what happened or even how many times he has used the box himself.
Regardless, the exact sequence of events is irrelevant. All we need to know is that Aaron and Abe fuck up somehow and break their own rules. Trying to lay out the timeline of Primer on a chart is missing the point entirely.
Primer is like an Agatha Christie novel except the author doesn't trust you won't figure it out so instead of hiding things in plain sight vast swaths of the narrative are never shown on screen.
It's the opposite of clever. It's a bitch move. Hate the movie.
I'm guessing it doesn't follow the book then? Or are people really that stupid?
>I'm guessing it doesn't follow the book then?
it wasn't ambiguous in the book either
Sopranos, David Chase has said Tony got clipped.
It was all real. I've fought a guy in a pub over it.
pretty sad that even after he kicked your ass you still dont realize how wrong you are
Verhoeven said he purposefully made the film so that both interpretations could be seen as the correct one.
I know what he said, it was a marketing move because the producers wouldn't allow him full creative freedom. "it was too polarizing" Arnie mentions this in his book Total Recall. This is the one of those eccentricities that I absolutely despise in him, that he cave in to gnomish producers because of fear. It completely debases and devalues the entire narrative and plummets it into the schlock of average mediocrity. Imagine all of the strife, difficulty, absolute chaos that you have experienced at the hands of a corrupt and fallible power structure that you've realized is completely against your and people's common interests isn't actually real goyim, go back to your sleepy mediocrity and consoom the goyslop in docile peace as you never ever take any real control or agency over your life or anything at all as we quite literally sap the oxygen away from you. Total Recall is an absolutely brilliant film that exposes the nature of reality, the nature of corrupt hypercapitalist dystopia and man's TRUE role and potential within it. All of us - in one form or another is Douglas Quaid. Most of us choose to accept the dream narrative instead of realizing that potential. Like sheep, we sleep.
>it has to be real otherwise my schizo headcanon is ruined
Go listen to the commentary - he talks nonstop about how it's all obviously a dream
was a dream, the other explanation is ridiculous
i don't even feel like listing all teh reasons it's a dream
>it’s a dream because aliens building terraforming machines on mars is unrealistic
never watch movies again kthnx
I am certain you are incapable of watching anything more than 1 minute x1.5 speed at this point.
>it's a dream because I have zero dopamine or willpower to wake up from my shitty worthless life other than sit on youtube and Cinemaphile
>I want to be a secret agent
ok well lets get you hooked up to this machine that will implant false memories of you being a secret agent
<five minutes after getting the implanted false memories>
Woah, it turns out you *are* a secret agent!
Turns out you were under deep cover!
Turns out people are trying to kill you left and right!
Turns out the women you specified exactly to be your ideal girlfriend is actually real as well, not just similar but identical!
Turns out It *IS* only you can save the day and the people of Mars!
Turns out there *are* alien artefacts on Mars and they're identical to the ones being shown on the Recall preview screens!
Turns out there will be a blue sky on Mars, exactly like on the Recall preview screens!
what a crazy coincidence!
What about all the scenes that don't involve Quaid in any way? Are those still part of his false memories somehow even though he isn't there to experience them? What purpose does it serve to show them to the viewer if not to add ambiguity?
it's still a movie, you need to get exposition out there somehow.
But the exposition explicitly states that he isn't in a dream. There's ambiguity throughout the entire movie, including the end
>What about all the scenes that don't involve Quaid in any way? Are those still part of his false memories somehow even though he isn't there to experience them? What purpose does it serve to show them to the viewer if not to add ambiguity?
part of the simulation. Quaid doesn't need to be there for everthing, even if his mind is driving it.
>what a crazy coincidence!
I think it works out better that way. Some old construction worker has fantasies and dreams of a more action packed life. the film goes very over the top and it just works better that this is a fantasy, and as such kind of a satire and meta commentary on action films.
>as such kind of a satire and meta commentary on action films.
I don't see it as witty or interesting at all. In fact the opposite, it appears as extremely pedantic and devoid of any genuine spirit. This is the same narrative that people bring up with starship troopers of whether or not it's satire and what works better. You are missing the point with this line of thinking.
Ultimately it is irrelevant what you believe in or what even the author says, the movie establishes an opportunity for you, the viewer, to examine the structures of your own reality and hopefully start asking the right questions in order to grow and mature in consciousness, both as a person and a member of a community that you inhabit as well. If you accept a community that implies it's working class has no choice but to fantasize about a better life than what that society offers them, then the system they inhabit is fundamentally broken and in dire need of awareness and change. The beauty of Total Recall isn't about "is it fantasy or reality?", it's "What if there's more to my reality and what's possible than this and I have been robbed of that choice by corrupt broken systems and individuals in great power who are trying to keep me asleep?". Unfortunately this is the true subversion of western civilization, the true "wokeism" that never happened, that has been coopted by trillionaire fund think tanks that keep the populace endlessly distracted and infighting about absolutely nothing, wasting away as their oxygen supply is continuously commercialized and taken away in the atomized "perfect" existence you call "reality".
Look at Verhoeven films as a whole, every single piece of the puzzle he directed he has been trying to warn you.
The short story follows the exact same trajectory and culminates with finding out he had buried memories of being a sleeper agent for an alien invasion, and now they have an alien invasion to deal with. Basically the idea if we figure out how to write and rewrite memories, others will have too
This guy knows what's up.
Everything was recall memories. In fact, I think the doctor/red pill scene is part of the fun, too. What ceo or whatever wouldn't want to be inserted as a bad guy into the memories. Like a game dev. If you think of Total Recall as a video game then it makes more sense.
He wakes up and he goes home with this awesome memory.
This is a direct reference to how the real rulers of the world tip their hand constantly and show you what they're going to do years before it happens. Look at every single major event for the past 100 years and you will find some form of media outlet that has predated it.
>Like a game dev. If you think of Total Recall as a video game then it makes more sense.
Life is like a videogame and you were supposed to be a dev, instead the real devs make sure you never leave tutorial island. Stop and think about how much of your potential is robbed from you and you don't even realize. Take even the $$$ you carry in your pocket, you don't even know how wealth is generated, what it even means... and yet you're a slave to it for life.
Verhoeven is my favorite director of all time. He is a true dutchman, to the core, an absolute shit stirrer. Why? Because he's a special kind of christian. An atheist that believes in Jesus Christ. That's a very dangerous combo against government and religious structure. All of his work is satirical on purpose but laced with constant warnings against human nature, sexuality, violence, western civilization, political ideologies, you can find just about anything in his films. This is not my headcanon, dummy. Literally look at his entire filmography and pay close attention to absolutely every single detail instead of going on youtube and watching a 10 minute promo interview about absolutely nothing or the commentary where he sits with Arnie who just narrates what's happening on the screen. The real meat of the social commentary is laced in-between the lines and in the small statements he sometimes drops here and then. None of you even understand what it takes to be a player in Hollywood in the first place.
Man, remember when Schizos used to be original?
Now it's all just this vomited YouTube Retard shit.
Most pre-youtube schizos were just christian.
turns out your real memories and life are bleeding into your subconscious
what a coincidence
Quaid somehow being unsatisfied with a life where peak Sharon Stone is horny as fuck for him at all times makes me believe it's real.
This segment in the movie is purposeful to caution against sexuality and lust. How control predicates the role in relationships, how man's need for connection and love is used as just another way to subvert and control narrative through the memory and identity of Quaid. He is seemingly happy and content with this 10/10 wife, similarly to how millionaires feel after going to a fancy cruise ship with all the earthly desires they can wish for and yet they are still worthless and miserable. Because it - isn't real -. There's no authenticity and humans can sense that. Quaid senses that there is something wrong with his life, something that just doesn't seem right but he cannot understand it. That is the primal human spirit embedded in each person. It's not that " he feels bored and wants more out of life" that is a completely shallow way of looking at it, it's that " what is there isn't real". Because it isn't. Nothing about our lives nowadays is. If you watch his movies back to back, it's uncanny how even though the structures of society might differ but human nature is exactly the same even today.
I am writing about my favorite movie and my favorite director of all time as a reply to something that was posted. This is a discussion board if you are confused. Also, I do not watch youtube unless I absolutely have to anymore. Verhoeven is truly an absolute genius and I sincerely believe that even those that don't understand it completely will come back to it, eventually, with newfound awareness.
I agree with you on Verhooven being a genius. I recently watched TR again & was amazed that many shots and sequences reminded me of Kubrick's movies in the sense that they feel strangely modern no matter the setting or plot
it was real
they were selling you shit that you were supposed to take in as a real memory after it's over and you're back to your life
first thing he does is kill his coworker
>every part of the adventure the Rekall guy tells Quaid about ends up happening, even the two-headed monster
>Milena's face shows up on the Rekall screen after they ask him to describe his perfect love interest
>this is before they start the procedure to implant the memories
>pill guy tells Quaid "the walls of reality will come crashing down" and that Quaid and Cohasgon will be "busom buddies"
>soldiers literally tear down the walls to get Quaid as soon as he shoots the guy, Quaid and Cohaagen turn out to be busom buddies
>the whole pill guy scheme is too fucking bizarre to be real in the first place
>whole plot with all it's twists and turns is pretty damn nonsensical and contradictory if you really think about it, like Cohaagen's goons trying to kill Quaid
It all being a dream is actually a lot more straightforward than it being real, if it would be real then there's a ridiculous amount of bizarre coincidences and the plot is straight up stupid.
I will defend both interpretations, this movie is still Verhoeven's best adaption, he definitely got it right on "it could both be real and both be a dream" with how you add up all the movie logic and dialogue. I will fight all previous posters tooth and nail.
This is ultimate mid Witt filter
His totem wasn’t the top that was his wife’s totem his totem was his kids faces. When he saw the kids turn and saw their faces he knew he was in the real world
It’s not even subtle
Or it’s it’s wife’s dream
>His totem wasn’t the top that was his wife’s totem his totem was his kids faces. When he saw the kids turn and saw their faces he knew he was in the real world
>It’s not even subtle
Wrong. The entire movie is a dream.
Also wrong, Michael Caine asked Nolan and was told the scenes he is in take place in the real world
So Chris, which scenes were real and which were dreams?
>My dear Michael, they were ALL real
Even the dreams?
>ESPECIALLY the dreams
Wrong, the entire movie is a movie.
Midwitts
We can tell you’re brown bruh.
I’m the whitest person you’ve ever seen lmao
Nah, you’re brown.
moron
How do you know the entire film isn't his wife's dream?
His totem not yours so who knows?
As others have said, not his totem. The point is that he turned away before he found out; he's accepted the situation as reality, whether it's a dream or not.
Okay but what happens when he comes back in the house later on and finds it still spinning?
If he believes it's real (and he does) it will fall like a normal top.
>The point is that he turned away before he found out; he's accepted the situation as reality, whether it's a dream or not.
It is a dream, he just ends on a part of a dream that makes him happy.
All of it's a dream by one man; basically an architect (in real life) who had 2 kids and divorced and has regrets.
Lum the Forever is pretty straight forward, but Urusei Yatsura fans are idiots so it flew over their heads.
Right? He wasn’t actually crazy. There was a real conspiracy going on
>
The ending is ambiguous, but not for the reasons people think.
The actual twist was realising that he actually was set up as well as being mentally unwell. There are way too many clues in the film if you pay attention
Who set him up i dont remember that bit
why would the ending be ambiguous, who the fuck says that
I've seen that shit several times before. "ooh, it's a mystery if he's delusional at the end or actually remembers everything, so deep".
It's either people not getting the ending and thinking their lack of understanding means it's the film's ending that's ambiguous, or it's people just pretending in order to do some "Film ending explained!!!!" video.
I saw some of that shit last week. I'd watched Talk to Me, liked it, and looked online to see what other people were saying. I was surprised to see these comment going "oooh, was it actually the mother or some other ghost? It's so hard to say. It's just one of the reasons the film stays with you afterwards." Meanwhile it's perfectly clear what had happened.
its fucking obvious he is lucid at the end and remembers everything and choses to die
Lobotomy was the next step bruh.
Exactly. He couldn't live with it.
But people make up the ambiguous ending, either because they themselves didn't get it or because of clickbait.
when you talk to people and they say shutter island is ambigous they often mean what anon wrote in the post above yours
>Tehee the real experiment was implanting false memories!
It seems very far-fetched, and it doesn't seem to make sense.
you would've been surprised how many people thought that after watching the movie.
>it's an ending open to interpretation. We don't know if he was really a killer
this shit was common as fuck. I assumed that's what OP meant
No, it's the last lines and whether he's really back in the detective persona that "needs" to be explained.
zoom zoom
there are entire forums with massive amounts of posts of people debating whether he was really a killer or if it was a conspiracy. If you weren't a zoomer you would remember so many people debating that thing back in the day
the zoomies today can't even read, nevermind be able to string more than two sentences together that aren't buzzwords, racial slurs or absolute nonsense
the result of public education and online scrolling addiction, purposefully designed to dehumanize, demoralize and de-intellectualize every single able-bodied person into a docile, weak and braindead consumer
That’d be nice if there weren’t always a huge demographic of retards in every society.
I was thinking the same as soon as I posted. I'm not a terribly smart person myself but you're not alone in that sentiment. I'm certain tons of people feel it too and suffer these people everywhere just the same, not just now but throughout history too.
The big issue is they’re so overloaded with information/stimulus they can’t be weaponized to get something done about the current state of shit.
Are some people debating that? Sure.
That does not mean that the vast majority of people/articles/whatever about the "ambiguous" ending is about the state of his mind at the very end. You have to wade through 10 of the latter explanations to see someone discussing the former.
your zoomery is showing
my brother. He said you can't tell if he was really the killer or if he was innocent and they were framing him
The ending of shutter island is ambiguous in the sense of whether he’s legitimately insane or would just rather play at it to get lobotomized, just to live a little while without knowing what he did, what happened, fear of the afterlife, etc.
People also think travis actually lived happily ever after in taxi driver and it wasnt obviously a dying delusion
there is literally nothing in the movie suggesting it was all a dream
not all a dream only the stuff after he gets shot that doesnt make any sense
he recovered and got back to taxing
What doesn't make sense? Travis killed some bastards who had a minor in prostitution, and people considered him a hero for it + Acceptance from his colleagues + The girl becomes interested in him again.
It makes perfect sense.
it makes sense to someone as delusional as travis sure
No, you are delusional or a pedo and that's why you don't understand it.
You're trying to tell someone that he doesn't understand the take that every idealistic 15 year old viewer would have before they learn what is and isn't possible in real life.
Its funny how he did this then inception right after and in both movies he has a batshit insane wife
Who ever said it was ambiguous ?
judging by your post - you, until someone explained it to you
>watch inception
>movie keeps playing the battlefield bad company 2 sound
What the fuck was ambiguous about it? The detective was actually the mental patient and everyone was playing along trying to cure him by having him act out solving a mystery but in the end it didn't work and he stayed crazy. Was this really too much for people to grasp?
Whether he was cured or ever insane to begin with.
He was totally insane. This ain't even up for debate
>but in the end didn't work
It worked though
Why we are STILL argueing about this ending is beyond me...
Because the show appealed to a lot of stupid people.
i dont get it the thread
I choose to believe all endings we are shown are the real endings. To think anything else would be very very gay.
This is the only patrician choice, bunch of slack jawed gays up in here
>verification not required
This shit. The part where Mr Granger shows up is a massive filter for most people.
Midwits say that they can follow all the timelines perfectly. The actual truth is that it's impossible because the characters fucked up so badly that even they don't know what happened.
All we know is that at some point Mr Granger found out about the box and that he tried to go back in time to do something. The inference is that something happened with his daughter at the party, but we don't know exactly what happened or even how many times he has used the box himself.
Regardless, the exact sequence of events is irrelevant. All we need to know is that Aaron and Abe fuck up somehow and break their own rules. Trying to lay out the timeline of Primer on a chart is missing the point entirely.
ye following the timelines is pointless the movie is not about some retarded shit it's about their relationship
Primer is like an Agatha Christie novel except the author doesn't trust you won't figure it out so instead of hiding things in plain sight vast swaths of the narrative are never shown on screen.
It's the opposite of clever. It's a bitch move. Hate the movie.
The Sopranos.
He's still alive.