>over 30 years later
>there's yet to be a better comedy made since
What went so right?
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>over 30 years later. >there's yet to be a better comedy made since
>over 30 years later
>there's yet to be a better comedy made since
What went so right?
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Never watch this shit just looking at too much disgusting israeli faces repulse me
Don't watch this shit.
Watch friends.
Much better show.
Frasier was always for pseudo-intellectual gays
Frasier just makes me wish Seattle hadn't gone to shit, when it was still a functional city it looked awfully comfy.
Seattle and San Fransisco were crown israeliteels of America. 20 years of libtard governing wrecked it.
vgh
>ywn have a threesome with Roz and Elaine
Friends and Frasier suck, have a nice day you fricking losers. Seinfeld is dope. lol
>Watch friends.
Can I see your breasts please?
>Watch friends.
But I'm male.
Friends is for women and queers.
But still less gay than Frasier.
nobody outside of shartmerica gives a frick about this shit show
Nobody outside of America matters. Seethe and cope.
That isn't true.
Neither is that.
What went so right was that Jerry didn't feel the need for the characters to "change" and "evolve" and "grow". Every comedy show seems to wants characters to radically change in the years the show is on the air or it's a complete failure. Now I'm not against a character organically becoming funnier through changes, like Ross from Friends, but I am against a character being neutered so he can "grow", like Chandler from Friends.
All the main characters changed and had character development, though.
>All the main characters changed and had character development, though.
How?
>Kramer is the same wacky neighbor who does get rich quick schemes.
>George is the same neurotic guy that wants to get laid.
>Jerry is the same stand up comedy guy that is the basic straight man of the group.
>Elaine is the same stronk feminist woman, but I will admit she got a little b***hier as the show went on, but that's human nature for a woman.
Jerry, George or Kramer didn't get married or start a family. Kramer didn't learn the value of family and move with his mom to another state. George didn't grow to appreciate his parents that he didn't like for years. Jerry didn't change his comedy act to be more socially conscious. Elaine didn't realize Puddy is her one and only and that it's time to settle down.
is the same wacky neighbor who does get rich quick schemes.
Nope, Kramer became Cosmo and was more open and less mysterious about his past by the end.
>George is the same neurotic guy that wants to get laid.
Nope, he was able to have several successful relationships, high profile jobs, and even got married.
>Jerry is the same stand up comedy guy that is the basic straight man of the group.
Nope, he became less self centered through the run of the show and even started buying expensive gifts for his parents and family.
>Elaine is the same stronk feminist woman
Nope, she had a long term relationship with Puddy that changed the nature of her character.
>Jerry, George or Kramer didn't get married or start a family.
George did and then he became a widow and got tied into her foundation so he could oversee charitable work.
>Nope, Kramer became Cosmo and was more open and less mysterious about his past by the end.
Embracing your first name isn't character development. And it didn't really change him. And what about his past was he less mysterious about? Be specific.
>Nope, he was able to have several successful relationships, high profile jobs, and even got married.
So what? That's not character development. None of those things CHANGED George. He got jobs just to make money and moved onto to other jobs (normally because he wanted to do as little work as possible). And Susan dying didn't phase him at all you moron.
>Nope, he became less self centered through the run of the show and even started buying expensive gifts for his parents and family.
What? Jerry was always the basic straight man but he was never less selfish in later seasons. He was drugging a woman to play with her toy collection in the last season. And Jerry was never not generous with his parents, so that's not growth.
>Nope, she had a long term relationship with Puddy that changed the nature of her character.
No it didn't. They were on and off, she was just as bossy and opinionated and she was still banging other guys for the few weeks they weren't together.
>George did and then he became a widow
HE DIDN'T MARRY SUSAN YOU DUMB homosexual. He hated the idea of it and was happy when she died.
>and got tied into her foundation so he could oversee charitable work.
He hated doing this as well and was mad that he didn't get the money.
Literally fricking kys you bleddit spacing homosexual. You don't understand Seinfeld.
No frick you with your whole change in character isn't really change especially if they didn't like it bullshit, I told you exactly how they changed and all you did was post a bunch of coping mechanisms to deal with being wrong.
>No frick you with your whole change in character isn't really change especially if they didn't like it bullshit, I told you exactly how they changed and all you did was post a bunch of coping mechanisms to deal with being wrong.
You literally don't understand Seinfeld. You think that Susan dying changed George when it didn't, he was happy it was over. You think Jerry got less selfish when he was drugging women. You thought Elaine and Puddy had some solid foundational relationship. And you still haven't said what these "less mysterious" things from Kramer's past were.
Fricking kys you dumb homosexual
>You think that Susan dying changed George when it didn't, he was happy it was over.
Yea and he was never happy before, so thanks for pointing out more changes. How many relationships did he have after Susan?
>You think Jerry got less selfish when he was drugging women.
He brought other people to play with her toys too and it wasn't just his parents he got nicer to, but also his uncle.
>You thought Elaine and Puddy had some solid foundational relationship.
No, I think that her on again off again relationship changed her character dynamic and she was no longer like jerry with a new relationship of the week every week.
There was a whole two part episode of Kramer running off to LA to pursue his dreams and they revealed what his actual job was when the strike was over instead of just letting it be a mystery of how he earned his money.
>Yea and he was never happy before, so thanks for pointing out more changes.
What? George insecure and neurotic before. He was happy that he wasn't marrying Susan, but that euphoria wore off quickly.
>How many relationships did he have after Susan?
A bunch of dates and flings. Just what George always wanted. DID YOU WATCH THE SHOW?
>He brought other people to play with her toys too
So because he brought other people to play with a DRUGGED WOMANS TOYS it means he is less selfish? Holy frick, kys. LOL
>and it wasn't just his parents he got nicer to, but also his uncle.
He was always NICE to his parents. And Uncle Leo? He ratted him out to the bookstore security guards for stealing? Jerry never like Leo. Their relationship never changed.
>No, I think that her on again off again relationship changed her character dynamic and she was no longer like jerry with a new relationship of the week every week.
Yes she was homosexual. Her and Puddy broke up all the time and she was with another guy all the time. WATCH THE SHOW.
>There was a whole two part episode of Kramer running off to LA to pursue his dreams and they revealed what his actual job was when the strike was over instead of just letting it be a mystery of how he earned his money.
Jesus Christ, kys. So a little wacky backstory that lasted for 1 ep is "character development" to you? Kramer got his money from Calvin Klein ads, being in a Woody Allen movie, coffee table book about coffee tables. WATCH THE SHOW.
I watched the show and you were simply wrong, they all developed as characters and you are helping describe how with every post.
Sure thing, Skippy. You literally didn't watch the show and your understanding of it, let alone your horrendous facts are poor.
You literally think Jerry got nice to Uncle Leo? Give ONE EXAMPLE OF THIS.
Every time I give you an example or even the examples you think up yourself, you just come up with some moronic reason why it doesn't really count and ignore it, so you can go frick yourself.
>Every time I give you an example or even the examples you think up yourself, you just come up with some moronic reason why it doesn't really count and ignore it, so you can go frick yourself.
Your examples are "JERRY GOT NICER TO UNCLE LEO" without you know, giving an EXAMPLE. Of course I gave an example as to why Jerry didn't get nicer to Uncle Leo.
You also think Kramer working at a Bagel place 10 years before is some huge revelation about his past. You also think Elaine wasn't dating tons of guys when Puddy was in the picture.
Literally kys.
>You also think Kramer...
See, you arbitrarily disqualify obviously examples, so there is no point in giving you further examples because you are moronic and biased and will just come up with moronic biases reasons why the character development isn't true character development.
Elaine was also breaking up with tons of guys to go back to Puddy which is a major change of direction for her character and it removed the insinuation that her and jerry kept breaking up with other people because they secretly wanted each other.
>See, you arbitrarily disqualify obviously examples,
ZOMG KRAMER WORKED AT A BAGEL PLACE, WHAT DEVELOPMENT! You are literally too dumb to breathe.
>Elaine was also breaking up with tons of guys to go back to Puddy which is a major change of direction for her character
No it wasn't. It proves that she was the same indecisive bawd as always.
And again GIVE YOUR EXAMPLE AS TO HOW JERRY WAS NICER TO UNCLE LEO AS THE SHOW WENT ON.
If you don't answer this consider the argument lost.
Yes that and his name and his backstory and moving to LA all contributed to the development of his character instead of just be le wacky mysterious neighbor, if you won't accept this as an example of character development in the show, you won't accept anything as character development because you are moronic and biased and you lost the argument.
Its more of a general sense with Leo, instead of treating him like a dick and muttering under his breath like newman, he was more accepting of Leo and had a more civil attitude, but of course you will say that is not good enough because it isn't true character develop and he could have been nicer.
>Yes that and his name and his backstory and moving to LA all contributed to the development of his character instead of just be le wacky mysterious neighbor, if you won't accept this as an example of character development in the show, you won't accept anything as character development because you are moronic and biased and you lost the argument.
What exactly did it change in Kramer? He was exactly the same before and after those events. Same with George and Susan. George was the same before Susan died and after Susan died (though he was more miserable in the days leading up to the actual marriage). These events and revelations didn't change the characters you fricking tard. In Frasier, Niles confessing his love for Daphne changed both of them.
>Its more of a general sense with Leo, instead of treating him like a dick and muttering under his breath like newman, he was more accepting of Leo and had a more civil attitude,
WHAT? There was an ep where Jerry wanted Leo to move back into his apartment so Jerry's parents would be forced to move back to FL
>Jerry: "Look at you, you're disgusting! If you have any woman that can stand you you should hang onto them like grim death".
And of course again he ratted Leo out when he was stealing. Give ONE EXAMPLE of Jerry being nicer to Leo. Of course you can't.
No I give examples and you just say changing makes them stay the same, a new backstory means the character is exactly the same, etc, so there is no point, your moronic mind is made up and can no longer assimilate new information, nothing changes and never will because you say so.
>No I give examples and you just say changing makes them stay the same, a new backstory means the character is exactly the same, etc, so there is no point, your moronic mind is made up and can no longer assimilate new information, nothing changes and never will because you say so.
Your "examples" are just revelations about their past that don't change their characters (hence the "development" part). We find out that Jerry didn't get a GI Joe, he got an Army Pete. Did that fact develop Jerry's character? No. It was just a fact in the episode from Jerry's past that was used to help tell the story. You just don't get.
>still no example of Jerry being nicer to Uncle Leo
You fail, moron.
Retconning is still development, just because the development is related to bringing up some thing that happened in the past we never knew about doesn't mean there wasn't development.
I gave you the example of general civility and including him in family rather than treating leo like newman and trying to ignore him completely as he did in the past, its just another example you fail to acknowledge because it doesn't conform to you moronic predetermined bias that nobody in Seinfeld changed when they all clearly changed.
>Retconning is still development, just because the development is related to bringing up some thing that happened in the past we never knew about doesn't mean there wasn't development.
It's not a retcon you dumb homosexual. A retcon is when a fact is changed. Us learning that Jerry got an Army Pete and not a GI Joe isn't a retcon, it's just a new fact that we learned and it's not character development.
>I gave you the example of general civility
No you didn't. Be specific. What episode? What was the exact interaction. Post some dialog like I've done. GIVE ONE EXAMPLE. Just saying "he was more civil to him because I say so" isn't good enough, moron.
> Seinfeld changed when they all clearly changed.
I've debunked everything you said. That's why you can't even give an example on Jerry being nicer to Uncle Leo.
>A retcon is when a fact is changed.
Yes like when they changed Kramer's name to Cosmo, revealed his backstory with his mom and wanting to be an actor in LA, and showed that he had actually been a striker rather than an unemployed beatnik the entire time.
You haven't debunked anything, you have only said that character development doesn't count in Seinfeld because you have already defined Seinfeld as a show without character development.
>Yes like when they changed Kramer's name to Cosmo,
THAT'S NOT A RETCON. Kramer's name was always COSMO, it just was never revealed. A RETCON is how Kramer was named "Kessler" very early on and they changed it to "Kramer". Kys moron.
>revealed his backstory with his mom and wanting to be an actor in LA, and showed that he had actually been a striker rather than an unemployed beatnik the entire time.
This didn't change Kramer by learning these facts. You will never understand. Jerry getting an Army Pete didn't change Jerry in the present and going forward.
>You haven't debunked anything, you have only said that character development doesn't count in Seinfeld because you have already defined Seinfeld as a show without character development.
You can't even give ONE EXAMPLE of Jerry being nice to Uncle Leo! You said George being a widow changed him, it didn't. You said Elaine being with Puddy changed her, it didn't. They are all identical from the early seasons to the later seasons.
>This didn't change Kramer by learning these facts.
Its a written show, none of the stuff actually happened, revealing past things that change the nature of the character is still character development even if they put it in a flashback in the past and try to pretend like that is how the character was all along, moron. I bet you don't think there was any kind of change of character when South Park changed Token to Tolkien either.
They are different character qualities that change the nature of the character, you are the one who doesn't understand anything about writing.
>Its a written show, none of the stuff actually happened, revealing past things that change the nature of the character is still character development even if they put it in a flashback in the past and try to pretend like that is how the character was all along, moron.
These facts did not change Kramer in any way. Same way Army Pete didn't change Jerry.
>They are different character qualities that change the nature of the character, you are the one who doesn't understand anything about writing.
Says the moron that insists that Jerry was nicer to Uncle Leo but can't give ONE EXAMPLE (and didn't even try to go against my examples showing Jerry being a dick to Leo).
You lose, homosexual.
>Yes like when they changed Kramer's name to Cosmo,
They didn't change his name you stupid Black person. The just revealed his first name. Kramer was his surname. Do you have any idea how names work you moronic moron?
It's amazing you're able to access the internet despite having the IQ of a gorilla
>The just revealed his first name
They didn't reveal anything, they came up with a new name because they wanted to change his character and bring in his mom and send him off on adventures in LA.
>They didn't reveal anything, they came up with a new name because they wanted to change his character and bring in his mom and send him off on adventures in LA.
Kramer goes to LA at the end of season 3 dummy. The Cosmo reveal with his mom is in season 6. WATCH THE SHOW
So you are saying that they started changing his character much earlier in the series too?
>So you are saying that they started changing his character much earlier in the series too?
I'm saying watch the show because you can't get your facts straight. And his character didn't change. He was wacky neighbor, went to LA, and returned as wacky neighbor. There was no development.
>they came up with a new name
They came up with his FIRST name you autist.
Yes they developed a new first name for him to justify the new character attributes they were writing for him.
How does revealing his first name correlate to getting new character attributes, you stupid ape?
Because he felt like a new man and without the secret holding him back, he could be more like the true self he always was, but was ashamed of, it was pretty much explained by himself in the episode.
He embraced his first name. That's it. The Kramer before that ep is exactly the same as the Kramer after that ep. Except now they call him Cosmo occasionally.
>Yes they developed a new first name for him to justify the new character attributes they were writing for him.
Which new attributes were those. BE SPECIFIC. Don't just ignore it like you "Jerry was nicer to Uncle Leo, trust me bro" shit.
Being more open and less conspiratorial and mysterious.
>Being more open and less conspiratorial and mysterious.
GIVE EXAMPLES OF THESE STUPID CLAIMS. Kramer hated the name Cosmo that's why he never told anyone. Revealing it didn't change Kramer.
It did change him, his secret was out in the open, he was no longer as paranoid or cryptic because he wasn't just le wacky neighbor, he was Cosmo Kramer.
>It did change him, his secret was out in the open, he was no longer as paranoid or cryptic because he wasn't just le wacky neighbor, he was Cosmo Kramer.
GIVE EXAMPLES OF HOW HE CHANGED. Be specific. You just saying thing doesn't make thing true. Kramer talked and acted exactly the same as he did both before and after the Cosmo ep.
Bro, you're a real moron.
He specifically explains it himself.
>All my life I been running away from that name... all this time I tried not being me, but I am Cosmo, from now on I am Cosmo.
The name change was clearly the most obvious excuse for change in character direction and if you can't accept it, you won't accept any example because you are moronic and biased.
>He specifically explains it himself.
He says all that but he DOESN'T ACTUALLY CHANGE. GIVE EXAMPLES.
The entire episode is about all the ways he changes, just watch the whole clip, it is an example and shows how he approaches relationships differently and acts different to random people on the street after he stops trying to bury his deep secret and stops being so conspiracy minded and couped up in his apartment.
>The entire episode is about all the ways he changes, just watch the whole clip, it is an example and shows how he approaches relationships differently and acts different to random people on the street after he stops trying to bury his deep secret and stops being so conspiracy minded and couped up in his apartment.
HIM SAYING THESE THINGS MEANS NOTHING BECAUSE HE IS THE EXACT SAME KRAMER AFTER THIS EP.
Holy frick what is wrong with you?
>HE IS THE EXACT SAME KRAMER AFTER THIS EP.
No, he is cosmo.
His mannerisms, actions, personality, speech pattern, etc, etc don't change. Kramer = Cosmo Kramer.
They do though, starting most obviously with the way he treats his mother, but also how he interacts with the neighborhood.
>They do though, starting most obviously with the way he treats his mother, but also how he interacts with the neighborhood.
Kramer always interacted like that with the neighborhood you fricking tard. And he was mad at his mom again when she was banging Newman 5 minutes later. Literally kys.
He wouldn't have cared before, he was only mad because they just repaired their relationship.
>He wouldn't have cared before,
He wouldn't care that his mom was fricking Newman?
You are criminally moronic
Please stop giving this guy yous
The character does not change at all outside of season one. What he's saying is running from the name his mother gave him because he is ashamed of where he came from. His character does not change at all before or after this episode and honestly if I has a gun I would shoot you and put you out of your misery for being so fricking stupid.
>they came up with cosmo because Kramer was too much of a normal boring name
You are just moronic
>he was able to have several successful relationships
>George
lol
If a relationship is successful you don't have several of them you degenerate.
I preferred Sneedfeld when he was Chuck
There is no character development once you understand that there are two seinfeld shows. One is s1 to s4, the other s5 to s9. The former being a new York dating sitcom, the other a normal sitcom about indecent people. Neither have any development within themselves.
Sure because nothing counts as development when the cast of seinfeld does it.
You haven't given one example of development. You still can't give one example of Jerry being nicer to Uncle Leo.
You lost.
My argument was more about buying cars and nice things for his parents in later seasons, but he was generally more civil towards Leo too and stopped treating him like Newman.
>My argument was more about buying cars and nice things for his parents in later seasons,
Again, he was always nice to his parents so him being nice to his parents is not development. If George bought his parents a car, that would be development because he didn't like them.
> but he was generally more civil towards Leo
GIVE EXAMPLES. Jerry ratted Leo out to security in the one of the last eps for stealing. In another ep he said he was disgusting. YOU LOSE.
>he bought a car for his dad
>not like how he bought a wallet filled with money for his dad earlier
>nicer to uncle Leo
>Literally breaks up his relationship in later seasons for his own personal convenience
You are genuinely just a fricking moron and have made several attempts at an argument that several other people have already shown hoe they're wrong. The worst part is you genuinely know nothing about the show to the point you're literally making shit up and having long diatribe exchanges with people on a show you obviously don't like. I can only imagine how pathetic your life is to justify wasting such time.
Sunny is much better, no other show has a comparably funny 16th season.
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JEWS COME UP WITH THE FUNNIEST MATERIAL ZOMG LIKE WOWOWOWOWOW
cornered the market on nothing.
Seinfeld episodes work really well because all four characters have such fixed core traits that you can turn any of them into the subject of either the episode's main plot or its B-Plot.
Like, all four of them can be the subject of the B-Plot, even Jerry, because we know what Jerry's like so we don't need to have the blanks filled in for us as to how his particular plot might be unfolding when he gets less screentime than normal. And it's even more the case for George, Kramer, and Elaine.
It also helps that all four of them are funny. Even Elaine. Like, Julia Louise-Dreyfus might be one of a handful of genuinely funny women on the entire planet.
This show was garbage. Literally the big bang theory of the 90s
>Laugh track
>Tall, quirky guy is the crowd favourite
>Short, balding manlet gets hot women
>Bad acting
>Unlikable characters
>Shitty theme song
track
Do you not watch stand up comedy because there is a live audience laughing at the jokes you dumb fricking homosexual.
>>Tall, quirky guy is the crowd favourite
So?
>>Bad acting
Jason Alexander and Michael Richards were some of the best comedy actors on television.
characters
That's the point, moron.
>Do you not watch stand up comedy because there is a live audience laughing at the jokes you dumb fricking homosexual.
Do you not understand how a sitcom works you dumb c**t? Waiting for the audience to stop laughing to deliver the next line is jarring as frick. Not to mention the autistic audience clapping and hooting like Blacks everytime Kramer enters Jerry's apartment
>So?
I'm pointing out the similarities between Seinfeld and BBT. Try to keep up, moron.
>Jason Alexander and Michael Richards were some of the best comedy actors on television.
Seinfeld was a shit actor. Could barely contain his laughter and his delivery was terrible. Richards was overrated. I get that physical comedy was his specialty but his autistic stumbling was annoying after a while.
>That's the point, moron.
Again, the points I raised was to show the similarity between TBBT and Seinfeld.
>Do you not understand how a sitcom works you dumb c**t? Waiting for the audience to stop laughing to deliver the next line is jarring as frick.
Same with stand up comedy... And name a comedy without a laugh track that is funnier than Seinfeld or Frasier or Cheers.
>I'm pointing out the similarities between Seinfeld and BBT. Try to keep up, moron.
They're not similar you dumb moron. Kramer is high energy, super social, doesn't work, and always coming up with schemes. Sheldon is just an autistic weirdo. Wow, they're both tall. Kramer also bursts into Jerry's apartment while Sheldon does the *knock*"Penny" 3 times.
>Seinfeld was a shit actor.
He was passable. But it didn't hurt the show at all. He was carried by one of the best comedic actors around him. Kys moron.
>Again, the points I raised was to show the similarity between TBBT and Seinfeld.
TBBT characters are supposed to be likable. You're supposed to be happy when Sheldon has a nice moment or when Howard and Bernadette have a kid. You don't get that shit on Seinfeld because they are unlikable.
>Same with stand up comedy...
Stand up comedy is ONE guy telling jokes to an audience. Sitcoms have TWO characters interacting. Imagine someone laughing for 30 seconds while you're having a conversation with a friend. That's how jarring the laugh track is.
Especially when there is no joke for example Kramer entering Jerry's apartment.
>And name a comedy without a laugh track that is funnier than Seinfeld or Frasier or Cheers.
Who's the boss, fresh prince and different strokes
>They're not similar you dumb moron. Kramer is high energy, super social, doesn't work, and always coming up with schemes. Sheldon is just an autistic weirdo. Wow, they're both tall. Kramer also bursts into Jerry's apartment while Sheldon does the *knock*"Penny" 3 times.
Both are tall autistic weirdos who are fan favourites. People holler and hoot whenever they are in a scene.
>He was passable. But it didn't hurt the show at all. He was carried by one of the best comedic actors around him. Kys moron.
It did. Everytime he was on screen you could see how uncomfortable he was. Any random anon from here could act circles around him.
Again, Richards was overrated.
>TBBT characters are supposed to be likable. You're supposed to be happy when Sheldon has a nice moment or when Howard and Bernadette have a kid. You don't get that shit on Seinfeld because they are unlikable.
No they're not, morono. Sheldon is supposed to be a weirdo, Howard a sex pest and Raj a foreign weirdo. Same for Amy.
>Stand up comedy is ONE guy telling jokes to an audience. Sitcoms have TWO characters interacting. Imagine someone laughing for 30 seconds while you're having a conversation with a friend. That's how jarring the laugh track is.
So 2 people talking + laugh track = JARRING, but 1 guy talking + laugh track = NOT JARRING
Ok moron.
>Who's the boss, fresh prince and different strokes
They all had laugh tracks, moron.
>Both are tall autistic weirdos who are fan favourites. People holler and hoot whenever they are in a scene.
Kramer isn't autistic, he's an eccentric hipster. People hoot and holler when Al Bundy went into his house. Same with Archie Bunker. You're a moron.
>It did. Everytime he was on screen you could see how uncomfortable he was. Any random anon from here could act circles around him.
He was fine. You are literally an autistic homosexual. The show is still the best comedy ever in spite of his average acting.
>Again, Richards was overrated.
Ok moron.
>No they're not, morono. Sheldon is supposed to be a weirdo,
Sheldon is loveable.
>Howard a sex pest
>and Raj a foreign weirdo. Same for Amy.
You still liked and rooted for them.
>So 2 people talking + laugh track = JARRING, but 1 guy talking + laugh track = NOT JARRING
>Ok moron.
Yes, because one is a single guy telling a joke and then waiting for the response.
While the other is TWO people having a conversation and pausing for laughter. Learn the difference you room temperature IQ gay.
It's incredible I have to explain the difference between stand-up and a sitcom.
>They all had laugh tracks, moron.
I misread your original comment. I thought it said with laugh track.
As for sitcoms without - the office, community and curb your enthusiasm
>Kramer isn't autistic, he's an eccentric hipster. People hoot and holler when Al Bundy went into his house. Same with Archie Bunker. You're a moron.
Yeah, but those two aren't tall autistic weirdos. And yes Kramer was autistic, you can use any synonyms you like.
>He was fine. You are literally an autistic homosexual. The show is still the best comedy ever in spite of his average acting.
I'm not autistic, I'm an eccentric hipster 😉
His acting was shit. Still have no idea why he was cast in the first place.
And it's not the best comedy, it's literally the big bang theory of the 90s
>Ok moron.
Nice counter point, homosexual.
>Sheldon is loveable.
No he's not. His previous roommates wanted to kill him. And most people hate him.
>You still liked and rooted for them.
No we didn't. Most people think Howard is creepy and Raj was a weird. Hell, people even hate Leonard and he's supposed to be the protagonist.
>Yes, because one is a single guy telling a joke and then waiting for the response.
>While the other is TWO people having a conversation and pausing for laughter.
More like "the other is TWO people having a conversation and then waiting for the response".
It's the same shit you dumb homosexual. Joke setup, punchline. Only with 2 people instead of 1.
>As for sitcoms without - the office, community and curb your enthusiasm
None of those are funnier than Seinfeld. Curb fell off a cliff real fast.
>Yeah, but those two aren't tall autistic weirdos. And yes Kramer was autistic, you can use any synonyms you like.
No he wasn't. He was eccentric. He socialized. He got lots of women. You're moronic.
>His acting was shit. Still have no idea why he was cast in the first place.
He became the most popular character on the biggest comedy ever. You are in the minority you moron.
>And it's not the best comedy, it's literally the big bang theory of the 90s
Ok homosexual. You are the only moron who thinks this. TBBT was about homosexual relationships and le nerd culture.
>No he's not. His previous roommates wanted to kill him. And most people hate him.
The audience loved him you dumb homosexual. They even made a "YOung" version of another show about him.
>No we didn't. Most people think Howard is creepy and Raj was a weird. Hell, people even hate Leonard and he's supposed to be the protagonist.
It's amazing how you have no idea how to gauge characters and how the audience views them.
>More like "the other is TWO people having a conversation and then waiting for the response".
>It's the same shit you dumb homosexual. Joke setup, punchline. Only with 2 people instead of 1.
That's not how conversations work you basement dwelling autist. Try interacting with real people once in a while. Two people don't wait 15 seconds after each line to respond as is the case in sitcoms with laugh tracks.
>None of those are funnier than Seinfeld. Curb fell off a cliff real fast.
At least curb was funny enough to fall off. Means it had a peak. Unlike Seinfeld which was never funny.
>No he wasn't. He was eccentric. He socialized. He got lots of women. You're moronic.
Sheldon was able to get chicks too. Eg: that Indian chick who was set up with Raj , he charmed with the princess story. But he was still autistic. Like Kramer.
>He became the most popular character on the biggest comedy ever. You are in the minority you moron.
We're talking about Jerry, moron. He was a shit actor. Seinfeld wasn't the biggest comedy how much ever you b***h about it.
>Ok homosexual. You are the only moron who thinks this. TBBT was about homosexual relationships and le nerd culture.
And Seinfeld wasn't?? Kys homosexual. Every second episode was George whining about some woman. They had the whole Susan plotline and Jerry and his multiple gfs
>The audience loved him you dumb homosexual. They even made a "YOung" version of another show about him.
See you can't decide whether you're talking from the POV of the audience or other people in the show. I'm talking about the latter.
>It's amazing how you have no idea how to gauge characters and how the audience views them.
It's amazing how autistic you are. No wonder you're defending Kramer and his gay show
>That's not how conversations work you basement dwelling autist. Try interacting with real people once in a while. Two people don't wait 15 seconds after each line to respond as is the case in sitcoms with laugh tracks.
Yeah, because people tend to just speak by themselves and expect laughter. It's a tv show. Kys moron.
>At least curb was funny enough to fall off. Means it had a peak. Unlike Seinfeld which was never funny.
Says the homosexual that likes the Office and that Rick and Morty prequel.
>Sheldon was able to get chicks too. Eg: that Indian chick who was set up with Raj , he charmed with the princess story. But he was still autistic.
He was asexual.
> Like Kramer.
Headcanon. Sad.
>We're talking about Jerry, moron. He was a shit actor. Seinfeld wasn't the biggest comedy how much ever you b***h about it.
You said: "His acting was shit. Still have no idea why he was cast in the first place. "
Michael Richards was cast, Jerry wasn't. It was his show you dumb homosexual.
> Every second episode was George whining about some woman. They had the whole Susan plotline and Jerry and his multiple gfs
So guys trying to frick women and George being happy that Susan died is the same as TBBT guys almost all getting married to roasties and having kids? Literally kys.
>See you can't decide whether you're talking from the POV of the audience or other people in the show. I'm talking about the latter.
The audience is all that matters, moron. When they say "the characters aren't likeable" they mean the audience doesn't like them.
>It's amazing how autistic you are. No wonder you're defending Kramer and his gay show
Go watch more The Office, it's already forgotten. moron.
>Yeah, because people tend to just speak by themselves and expect laughter. It's a tv show. Kys moron.
Exactly. One is a tv show and the other is a real life act. At least you understood that difference. Some progress at last.
>Says the homosexual that likes the Office and that Rick and Morty prequel.
Kek. based on this moronic comment I know you've not watched a single episode of community. Enjoy your TBBT of the 90s, bro
>He was asexual.
No he wasn't. He literally mentions jerking off in the first episode. Further proof you've not watched anything and are just a shitposting homosexual
>Headcanon. Sad.
No counter argument. Very sad!
>You said: "His acting was shit. Still have no idea why he was cast in the first place. "
>Michael Richards was cast, Jerry wasn't. It was his show you dumb homosexual.
It was Larry David's show. Jerry was just a parasite. Also learn to follow the conversation, tard. We were talking about Jerry being a terrible actor. Richards was decent but way overrated.
>So guys trying to frick women and George being happy that Susan died is the same as TBBT guys almost all getting married to roasties and having kids? Literally kys.
Both are about relationships at the end. Whether they are good or bad is a different point.
>The audience is all that matters, moron. When they say "the characters aren't likeable" they mean the audience doesn't like them.
You have to specify that, homosexual. In the show most of Sheldon's peers, colleagues and others hate him. Eg: Stuart the comic book guy
I can say the same thing for Seinfeld, the audience love the characters despite them being hated in the show
>Go watch more The Office, it's already forgotten. moron
Kek. Most people still know and love the office. Seinfeld is only overrated by autistic weirdos like yourself.
>One is a tv show and the other is a real life act.
So a tv show is show business but stand up comedy is real life?
>Kek. based on this moronic comment I know you've not watched a single episode of community. Enjoy your TBBT of the 90s, bro
Enjoy your cringe bleddit humor bro.
>No he wasn't. He literally mentions jerking off in the first episode. Further proof you've not watched anything and are just a shitposting homosexual
Asexuals jerk off, moron. It's a bodily urge that has to be fulfilled. They just don't fantasize about men or women, they just pound away until climax. Are you moronic?
>No counter argument. Very sad!
"Kramer is autistic because I say so!"
>It was Larry David's show. Jerry was just a parasite.
?????? JERRY got the NBC deal and asked Larry to help. It's called "SEINFELD". It stars Jerry. What the frick are you talking about?
>Also learn to follow the conversation, tard. We were talking about Jerry being a terrible actor.
You literally said "why was he cast?" Why would I think you mean Jerry dummy? It was his show, he isn't cast. kys
>Both are about relationships at the end. Whether they are good or bad is a different point.
George happy that his fiance is dead is the same as TBBT relationships. WOW
>You have to specify that, homosexual. In the show most of Sheldon's peers, colleagues and others hate him. Eg: Stuart the comic book guy
Who cares if other characters hate other characters, moron. "This character isn't likeable" is referrring to if the AUDIENCE likes him. On Star Trek DS9 every character hated Dukat, but no one ever said "Dukat isn't a likeable character" because the audience liked Dukat. moron.
>Kek. Most people still know and love the office. Seinfeld is only overrated by autistic weirdos like yourself.
What a statement.
>So a tv show is show business but stand up comedy is real life?
Sitcom is scripted conversation. Stand up is scripted monologue. I've dumbed it down to the lowest possible level.
>Enjoy your cringe bleddit humor bro.
I don't watch Seinfeld though.
>Asexuals jerk off, moron. It's a bodily urge that has to be fulfilled. They just don't fantasize about men or women, they just pound away until climax. Are you moronic?
No I'm an eccentric hipster ;^)
Doesn't matter he jerked off. Not asexual.
>"Kramer is autistic because I say so!"
Kramer isn't autistic because I said so
>?????? JERRY got the NBC deal and asked Larry to help. It's called "SEINFELD". It stars Jerry. What the frick are you talking about?
Jerry was a parasite. Read the book by Larry.
>You literally said "why was he cast?" Why would I think you mean Jerry dummy? It was his show, he isn't cast. kys
Semantics. He was still a shit actor in a highly overrated unfunny show
>George happy that his fiance is dead is the same as TBBT relationships. WOW
Relationships are relationships. Good job ignoring the episodes where they show him being engaged to Susan. And Jerry and Elaine constantly whining about their gf/bf
>Who cares if other characters hate other characters, moron. "This character isn't likeable" is referrring to if the AUDIENCE likes him. On Star Trek DS9 every character hated Dukat, but no one ever said "Dukat isn't a likeable character" because the audience liked Dukat. moron.
That's bullshit. But then it applies to Seinfeld as well, right? In the show George, Jerry and Elaine are unlikeable but the audience loves them. Dumbass. You have to specify.
>What a statement.
Cope and seethe harder.
>Sitcom is scripted conversation. Stand up is scripted monologue. I've dumbed it down to the lowest possible level.
So to you a sitcom conversation can't have laugh breaks but a stand up scripted monologue can have laugh breaks? What if there are 2 people on stage doing a routine? See how moronic you are, homosexual?
>I don't watch Seinfeld though.
Yeah, the Office and Rick and Morty prequel aren't bleddit...
>Doesn't matter he jerked off. Not asexual.
???? ASEXUAL means they are not sexually attracted to people, but the biological need to release your sperm is still there. HOLY FRICK KYS. Asexuals jerkoff like everyone else.
>Jerry was a parasite. Read the book by Larry.
So Jerry is a parasite for signing a deal with NBC and asking Larry if he wants to help?
>Semantics. He was still a shit actor in a highly overrated unfunny show
Not semantics. You accused me of not being able to follow the conversation when it's you that can't follow it or articulate your thoughts properly.
>Relationships are relationships. Good job ignoring the episodes where they show him being engaged to Susan. And Jerry and Elaine constantly whining about their gf/bf
Ignoring that Susan died and George was happy and none of them cared about this. Ignoring that they were all fricking new people every week. Comparing that to the female centric relationship slop of TBBT. kYS
>That's bullshit.
No it's not. It's Hollywood fact. Always has been.
> In the show George, Jerry and Elaine are unlikeable but the audience loves them.
They are classic anti-hero characters. moron.
>Cope and seethe harder.
Yeah, The Office is great...
>JERRY got the NBC deal and asked Larry to help. It's called "SEINFELD".
It would have lasted one, maybe two seasons without David. Jerry was just a Gary Shandling clone with a slightly different stage presence, it was David that made the show what it was.
>It would have lasted one, maybe two seasons without David. Jerry was just a Gary Shandling clone with a slightly different stage presence, it was David that made the show what it was.
I don't disagree. Doesn't change the fact that Jerry isn't a parasite. He made a deal with NBC, and him and Larry made a great show.
>short balding manlet gets hot women
Anon, it's a trope for a reason
Frasier is way better
They BANNED me Jerry!
Banned you, why?
Because I posted off topic a little!
Well of course they'd ban you for that, it's against the rules.
Aw everyone was doing it Jerry, I just got caught!
>What went so right?
Kramer and George made Seinfeld as good as it was.
I only remember the chapter where they were stick on a parking lot.
I also found Jerry to be extremely unlikable.
anyone who doesn't like Seinfeld is low iq and/or autistic
you're human trash
anyone who likes Seinfeld is a israelite from New York
I like Curb more. The laugh-track on Seinfeld gives me a headache. I know that some laughter is from the live-audience for some scenes but they obviously pad it with recorded laughter.
First 6 seasons of Always Sunny.
I liked Bewitched more.
Samantha was a qt
I couldn't stand the husband in that show.
We got a real Joe Devola in here. Amirite?
Curb is like Seinfeld but much funnier.