vader returning as a bad guy meaning Luke didn't even redeem him which is the one thing going for him in disney wars is indeed worse than bringing back the emperor.
>They were trying to bring back OT villains anyway >Lucas says "if you're going to do that don't do Vader" >THAT MEANS THE EMPORER COMING BACK WAS GEORGE'S IDEA!!!
>Vader being already a cyborg >the Empire using a memory copy of Vader to bring him back >this new version can't be redeemed and is pure robotic
The technological dissonance in Star Wars is getting worse everyday. We could have many original great ideas but instead we have the Filoniverse.
Grievous was incredibly fast and could attack several times in a fraction of a second due to having four arms and four swords.
Most Jedi weren't capable of dealing with that.
>They were trying to bring back OT villains anyway >Lucas says "if you're going to do that don't do Vader" >THAT MEANS THE EMPORER COMING BACK WAS GEORGE'S IDEA!!!
Dont forget >if you can figure out a way to brimg back the emperor
That wasnt a “Get oit of jail“ card. How they bought him back was all on themself. As long as they cant proof they showed him how he came back or the way to explain how he came back was Lucas ideas, thats just did do nuffing!
>lol what george has no input to these movies and tom veitch has nothing to do with these movies
It's referencing Dark Empire, the storyline mouse shills would reference to shit on the now clearly superior EU as being full of dumb ideas. Of course, 90% of the Disney shit now is just poorly adapted EU plotpoints.
Palpatine should've been dead but they could've done a bit where he's like so fundamentally evil and vile his decrepit soul was haunting the death star wreck as some disembodied formless demon. That would've been fun.
>demonic dark side ghosts exist >never seeing in films
Star Wars has many great ideas, the problem is that are never seeing in films, just in comics or games.
Does Lucas have decision making power over Star Wars after selling it to Disney?
This reads like the people responsible for Disney Wars want to blame daddy Lucas for not stopping them from making terrible creative decisions. They want us to believe it's George Lucas' fault they are a bunch of hacks.
Disney are hacks? Of course. Lucas was, sometimes, a c**t with his own lore? True too.
Disney just made the stupid ideas of Lucas even more stupid.
The Palpatine clones idea was taken from the Dark Empire comics. It plays out better in the comics than the way Disney used it. But I think Lucas' main concern was preserving his own work in the original trilogy. Vader coming back upends Luke's development from New Hope to Return of the Jedi. Luke redeeming his father is circle to his character development.
They killed off that Snoke guy in the 2nd one so they kind of didn't have a main villain anymore. I guess they were thinking that Kylo would be the big bad, but he doesn't really fit that kind of character. They just kind of shot themselves in the foot.
There is nothing inside the box on any of his projects. The box is an excuse for Abrams to throw mysteries on top of mysteries without explaining them. He is a hack.
Palpatine should've been dead but they could've done a bit where he's like so fundamentally evil and vile his decrepit soul was haunting the death star wreck as some disembodied formless demon. That would've been fun.
Palpatine's force ghost manipulating people and events from beyond the grave could be turned into part of a cool movie plot. I wouldn't use him as the main villian, but instead as the driving force behind some new character that is influenced and taught by him. I imagine that to someone like Palpatine even the chance to wield power and achieve his goals by proxy would be appealing to him.
Does Lucas have decision making power over Star Wars after selling it to Disney?
This reads like the people responsible for Disney Wars want to blame daddy Lucas for not stopping them from making terrible creative decisions. They want us to believe it's George Lucas' fault they are a bunch of hacks.
Filoni talks to George. I don't think anyone else there frankly gives a shit what he has to say but mind you he also said Kennedy should manage Lucasfilm and look how that turned out.
[...] >Vader being already a cyborg >the Empire using a memory copy of Vader to bring him back >this new version can't be redeemed and is pure robotic
The technological dissonance in Star Wars is getting worse everyday. We could have many original great ideas but instead we have the Filoniverse.
NTA but that doesn't still make a it better. So a cheaper artificial non force sensitive vader would show up again and just out of nowhere be like "I YOU DEAD PUNKS!!!". Like that is some goofy ass shit. At least palpatine made some sense and is a living breathing being with character and is often seen as one of the best villains of all time.
He’s talking about dark empire you dipshit.
Lucas was adamant that Vader not return every time it came up, something Zahn confirmed when he had Luke face his own clown rather than the initial concept of fighting Anakin.
But do you know what’s really funny? In dark empire the cloned emperor was used as a catalyst for Luke’s growth as a Jedi. Whether or not it was a good idea is a topic that’s been debated, but it wasn’t because they’d ran out of villains and desperately needed one who wasn’t a b***h who lost to a rookie twice
The Palpatine clones idea was taken from the Dark Empire comics. It plays out better in the comics than the way Disney used it. But I think Lucas' main concern was preserving his own work in the original trilogy. Vader coming back upends Luke's development from New Hope to Return of the Jedi. Luke redeeming his father is circle to his character development.
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Vadar would have been a clone you moron.
[...] >Vader being already a cyborg >the Empire using a memory copy of Vader to bring him back >this new version can't be redeemed and is pure robotic
The technological dissonance in Star Wars is getting worse everyday. We could have many original great ideas but instead we have the Filoniverse.
Cowards. They should have had General Hux and The First Order be the villains and win and have an empire that lasted 1000 years. Then we could get new stories with new characters and no more Skywalkers or prequels.
The lower part of the screenshot doesn't say anything about George telling them to clone Palps, unless there's more than what was quoted. The quote just states that if they can figure out a way to bring back the emperor, then they can do that, instead of bringing back Vader. Obviously they didn't figure out a good way, but that didn't stop them.
>Palpatine using eldritch dark side alchemy to bring himself back as a younger clone and reunite the shattered remnants of the empire >reconstruct injured stormtrooper veterans into twisted legions of the damned and puts ace TIE pilot brains into droid fighter bodies >constructing his flagship to be a huge floating palace castle with a death beam that’s smaller than the Death Star but can still one shot ships and frick up half of planets >Luke seeing the pain and destruction that was caused in the galaxy after he killed Palpatine causes him to sway but not fully fall to the darkside as he comes to terms with his sympathy for how Anakin fell to the darkside >he pledges to support Palpatine before a newly trained Jedi Leia comes and unites with Luke against Palpatine as they defeat him one last time
This entire thing is pure kino. Anyone who shits on dark empire is a pseud. The Thrawn books topped off with Dark Empire is what the sequels should’ve been.
We could've had an amazing prequel of it with Luke and Lando chilling on Coruscant while Leia and Han are off world, only to have the entire Empire revenge thing coming down and then we get a comfy Luke & Lando buddy cop survival story. >Luke... I'm getting too old for this.
he means for the dumb 90s comic. george always treated crap like the novels and comics as silly merchandise for turbo dorks that exists on a lower tier of "canon" than the real films and doesn't matter very much.
Lucas was guilty of his own similarly hacky ideas, though. In any case I don't think a post-ROTS Lucas would have okayed bringing the Emperor back in Dark Empire.
>ROTS
Took me a second to figure out if this was a typo of ROTJ, if you meant Revenge of the Sith, or if you mean Rise of the Skywalker. God, what a shitty franchise.
It was for a comic book. An alternative universe comic book. George was fine with the EU as its own distinct universe (and it’s hard to say if Dark Empire was even really part of the proper EU anyway).
But for his story, he always intended the Emperor to be dead. He’s made that clear. That’s why he does not consider Disney Canon to be part of the Real Canon (amongst many, many other reasons)
>a way to bring him back
They didn't have to reveal that he was just chilling on some evil planet for 30 years. Give the Knights of Ren something to do besides jobbing. Have them perform some Sith ritual to summon the ghost form of Papa Palps, who then possesses the leader of the Knights of Ren. There, the Emperor is a formidable threat again, in a newer, hunkier body, and Anakin's sacrifice isn't cheapened. Hollywood writers are fricking hacks. I came up with this idea in like five seconds
Only smooth brains think George had nothing to do with the EU. He meddled with pretty much every major production. No wookie jedi, C'baoth can't be an obi wan clone, vong can't be original Sith, Chewbacca and Mara ok to die, make Abeloth part of the Mortis story, etc.
He imposed limitations/dictates, but it was for the sake of the brand than anything else. Even Veitch (who helped establish the EU with Dark Empire and who worked with Lucas) admits that Lucas gave him a lot of room to work with and that he didn't think Lucas ever considered it canon in a meaningful way.
And yet Lucas took many ideas from the EU for the prequels and Clone Wars cartoons. I never got why they didn't just take the Marvel/DC route of the EU being it's own thing and continue on via books/comics/vidya. It's not like normies confuse the movies with the comics or cartoons from DC/Marvel.
>And yet Lucas took many ideas from the EU for the prequels and Clone Wars cartoons.
It was mostly minor stuff, though. The major beats are very different. TCW itself completely shat on a bunch of EU stories that, at that point, were all very recently published. >I never got why they didn't just take the Marvel/DC route of the EU being it's own thing and continue on via books/comics/vidya
Because the EU only existed to tie-in with the movies. If you're a publisher the appeal is obvious.
Vader returning would have been the worst possible decision imaginable. Good lord, why can't star Wars "fans" let a fully played out character arc stay finished?
I wonder how little George cares at this point. On one hand he probably doesn't want Vader over done. On the other, there's videos of officially licensed Vader breakdance shows at Disneyland, so... Who honestly the frick cares?
Frick, who honestly gives a frick about Star Wars in general at this point? If you didn't jump off at Episode 8, then you deserve all the slop you get fed.
>On the other, there's videos of officially licensed Vader breakdance shows at Disneyland
George ha salways had good humor about the series and is fine with parodies and ridiculous shit like that. Having a silly dance at a show or in a video game is also not the same as undermining the plot of your movie in an official sequel
Not to sound like a George fanboying prequelgay, but bringing back Sheev wasn't even necessarily a bad idea, it's just that it was obviously a last minute asspull because they didn't know how to continue the story from TLJ while pleasing the people who hated TLJ.
>if you can figure out a way
That seems to be the key phrase here, and also the problem. They didn't "figure out a way" - they hand waved it away with one line of dialogue and only a surface level clone bit. Is there a way to being Sheev back and do it well? Probably, but the over payed Hollywood writers who just went on strike for even more money couldn't be bothered
vader returning as a bad guy meaning Luke didn't even redeem him which is the one thing going for him in disney wars is indeed worse than bringing back the emperor.
>Vader being already a cyborg
>the Empire using a memory copy of Vader to bring him back
>this new version can't be redeemed and is pure robotic
The technological dissonance in Star Wars is getting worse everyday. We could have many original great ideas but instead we have the Filoniverse.
is there any real benefit to using two+ lightsabers?
Grievous was incredibly fast and could attack several times in a fraction of a second due to having four arms and four swords.
Most Jedi weren't capable of dealing with that.
And then Obi wan in a matter of three moves with only one saber fricked all of Grievous
that just sounds like a cartoon villain of the week which would fit right in with the rest of the filonislop
are you moronic or something?
Vadar would have been a clone you moron.
>They were trying to bring back OT villains anyway
>Lucas says "if you're going to do that don't do Vader"
>THAT MEANS THE EMPORER COMING BACK WAS GEORGE'S IDEA!!!
Dont forget
>if you can figure out a way to brimg back the emperor
That wasnt a “Get oit of jail“ card. How they bought him back was all on themself. As long as they cant proof they showed him how he came back or the way to explain how he came back was Lucas ideas, thats just did do nuffing!
lol what george has no input to these movies and tom veitch has nothing to do with these movies
>lol what george has no input to these movies and tom veitch has nothing to do with these movies
It's referencing Dark Empire, the storyline mouse shills would reference to shit on the now clearly superior EU as being full of dumb ideas. Of course, 90% of the Disney shit now is just poorly adapted EU plotpoints.
Star Wars has always been terrible.
True.
>demonic dark side ghosts exist
>never seeing in films
Star Wars has many great ideas, the problem is that are never seeing in films, just in comics or games.
Disney are hacks? Of course. Lucas was, sometimes, a c**t with his own lore? True too.
Disney just made the stupid ideas of Lucas even more stupid.
The Palpatine clones idea was taken from the Dark Empire comics. It plays out better in the comics than the way Disney used it. But I think Lucas' main concern was preserving his own work in the original trilogy. Vader coming back upends Luke's development from New Hope to Return of the Jedi. Luke redeeming his father is circle to his character development.
They killed off that Snoke guy in the 2nd one so they kind of didn't have a main villain anymore. I guess they were thinking that Kylo would be the big bad, but he doesn't really fit that kind of character. They just kind of shot themselves in the foot.
Ryan purposefully fricked the trilogy over, in 10 years or so he'll laughingly admit it in one of those late night shows.
No he didn't. He's just moronic.
Unlikely, late night talk shows will surely be dead in 10 years.
He'll probably just drop it on a podcast instead.
Whoever decided they weren't going to outline the basic plot of the three movies before making the first one fricked the trilogy over.
An outline for the trilogy would've destroyed J.J. Abrams mystery box.
You say that like that like it's a bad thing
I'm saying it sarcastically which doesn't translate clearly through text. I hate Abrams.
not outlining it destroyed the box, moron
There is nothing inside the box on any of his projects. The box is an excuse for Abrams to throw mysteries on top of mysteries without explaining them. He is a hack.
>Kylo would be the big bad
He could have been but they turned him into a whiney little shit and they made Luke a big pussy because the force is female
>figure out a way
>somehow palpatine returned
Lol ye blame Jorge
this, the idea is his but the absolutely shitty execution is on them
>Tom Veitch
That’s from the Dark Empire 90s comic.
Palpatine should've been dead but they could've done a bit where he's like so fundamentally evil and vile his decrepit soul was haunting the death star wreck as some disembodied formless demon. That would've been fun.
Palpatine's force ghost manipulating people and events from beyond the grave could be turned into part of a cool movie plot. I wouldn't use him as the main villian, but instead as the driving force behind some new character that is influenced and taught by him. I imagine that to someone like Palpatine even the chance to wield power and achieve his goals by proxy would be appealing to him.
Does Lucas have decision making power over Star Wars after selling it to Disney?
This reads like the people responsible for Disney Wars want to blame daddy Lucas for not stopping them from making terrible creative decisions. They want us to believe it's George Lucas' fault they are a bunch of hacks.
Filoni talks to George. I don't think anyone else there frankly gives a shit what he has to say but mind you he also said Kennedy should manage Lucasfilm and look how that turned out.
That would have been moronic. Vader's arc was finished
NTA but that doesn't still make a it better. So a cheaper artificial non force sensitive vader would show up again and just out of nowhere be like "I YOU DEAD PUNKS!!!". Like that is some goofy ass shit. At least palpatine made some sense and is a living breathing being with character and is often seen as one of the best villains of all time.
>if you can figure out a way to bring back the Emperor
>if you can figure out
>SOMEHOW
don't think the fault lies with George there
He’s talking about dark empire you dipshit.
Lucas was adamant that Vader not return every time it came up, something Zahn confirmed when he had Luke face his own clown rather than the initial concept of fighting Anakin.
But do you know what’s really funny? In dark empire the cloned emperor was used as a catalyst for Luke’s growth as a Jedi. Whether or not it was a good idea is a topic that’s been debated, but it wasn’t because they’d ran out of villains and desperately needed one who wasn’t a b***h who lost to a rookie twice
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Cowards. They should have had General Hux and The First Order be the villains and win and have an empire that lasted 1000 years. Then we could get new stories with new characters and no more Skywalkers or prequels.
>if you can figure out a way
can't they both be bad ideas
They didn't figure it out, though.
The lower part of the screenshot doesn't say anything about George telling them to clone Palps, unless there's more than what was quoted. The quote just states that if they can figure out a way to bring back the emperor, then they can do that, instead of bringing back Vader. Obviously they didn't figure out a good way, but that didn't stop them.
>image unrelated to what OP is implying
Somehow shitty threads have returned.
>george would never approve this
That was well done and still believable.
>Palpatine using eldritch dark side alchemy to bring himself back as a younger clone and reunite the shattered remnants of the empire
>reconstruct injured stormtrooper veterans into twisted legions of the damned and puts ace TIE pilot brains into droid fighter bodies
>constructing his flagship to be a huge floating palace castle with a death beam that’s smaller than the Death Star but can still one shot ships and frick up half of planets
>Luke seeing the pain and destruction that was caused in the galaxy after he killed Palpatine causes him to sway but not fully fall to the darkside as he comes to terms with his sympathy for how Anakin fell to the darkside
>he pledges to support Palpatine before a newly trained Jedi Leia comes and unites with Luke against Palpatine as they defeat him one last time
This entire thing is pure kino. Anyone who shits on dark empire is a pseud. The Thrawn books topped off with Dark Empire is what the sequels should’ve been.
We could've had an amazing prequel of it with Luke and Lando chilling on Coruscant while Leia and Han are off world, only to have the entire Empire revenge thing coming down and then we get a comfy Luke & Lando buddy cop survival story.
>Luke... I'm getting too old for this.
Most painfully reddit comment I have ever read. I'm guessing this is the first post you've ever made on Cinemaphile.
Yeah, been too busy raping your sister while making your Dad watch wearing his cage. RIP your family tree.
you literally have such bad taste I'm having trouble believing it
frick off. Star wars fans have an overwhelming positive opinion of the thrawn trilogy and dark empire over both the prequels and sequels.
I'm sure there are dozens of you who like dark empire more than the prequels
he means for the dumb 90s comic. george always treated crap like the novels and comics as silly merchandise for turbo dorks that exists on a lower tier of "canon" than the real films and doesn't matter very much.
Lucas was guilty of his own similarly hacky ideas, though. In any case I don't think a post-ROTS Lucas would have okayed bringing the Emperor back in Dark Empire.
>ROTS
Took me a second to figure out if this was a typo of ROTJ, if you meant Revenge of the Sith, or if you mean Rise of the Skywalker. God, what a shitty franchise.
It was for a comic book. An alternative universe comic book. George was fine with the EU as its own distinct universe (and it’s hard to say if Dark Empire was even really part of the proper EU anyway).
But for his story, he always intended the Emperor to be dead. He’s made that clear. That’s why he does not consider Disney Canon to be part of the Real Canon (amongst many, many other reasons)
>if you can figure out a way
i guess they skipped that part
source?
>if you can figure out a way to bring back the Emperor
>if you can figure out a way
They literally didn't.
Kathleen runs every Star Wars stuff to Filoni, before giving approval.
>blaming a one off response from Lucas for the disaster that was ROS plot
pathetic
>If you can find a way to bring him back
And this somehow abdicates all responsibility from the actual writers. Top kek.
>Implying it wasn't just a straight rip-off from the original EU which did it much better
Lucas haters are a special bunch
>"if you can figure out a way"
>...is "somehow" a way?
>a way to bring him back
They didn't have to reveal that he was just chilling on some evil planet for 30 years. Give the Knights of Ren something to do besides jobbing. Have them perform some Sith ritual to summon the ghost form of Papa Palps, who then possesses the leader of the Knights of Ren. There, the Emperor is a formidable threat again, in a newer, hunkier body, and Anakin's sacrifice isn't cheapened. Hollywood writers are fricking hacks. I came up with this idea in like five seconds
>Anakin's sacrifice isn't cheapened
Still is. Unless you make Palps have limited time possessing someone and he wants to watch the galaxy burn before going back to the afterlife
>throwing George under the bus for muh fanfic
I grow more relieved by the day that Star Wars is irrevocably dead.
Only smooth brains think George had nothing to do with the EU. He meddled with pretty much every major production. No wookie jedi, C'baoth can't be an obi wan clone, vong can't be original Sith, Chewbacca and Mara ok to die, make Abeloth part of the Mortis story, etc.
He imposed limitations/dictates, but it was for the sake of the brand than anything else. Even Veitch (who helped establish the EU with Dark Empire and who worked with Lucas) admits that Lucas gave him a lot of room to work with and that he didn't think Lucas ever considered it canon in a meaningful way.
And yet Lucas took many ideas from the EU for the prequels and Clone Wars cartoons. I never got why they didn't just take the Marvel/DC route of the EU being it's own thing and continue on via books/comics/vidya. It's not like normies confuse the movies with the comics or cartoons from DC/Marvel.
>And yet Lucas took many ideas from the EU for the prequels and Clone Wars cartoons.
It was mostly minor stuff, though. The major beats are very different. TCW itself completely shat on a bunch of EU stories that, at that point, were all very recently published.
>I never got why they didn't just take the Marvel/DC route of the EU being it's own thing and continue on via books/comics/vidya
Because the EU only existed to tie-in with the movies. If you're a publisher the appeal is obvious.
Only smooth brains give a shit about the EU fanfic at all.
Tell George that for stealing Darth Talon, Aayla Secura, and Vos then.
Words cannot describe how relieved I am not to know any of those names.
Vader returning would have been the worst possible decision imaginable. Good lord, why can't star Wars "fans" let a fully played out character arc stay finished?
I wonder how little George cares at this point. On one hand he probably doesn't want Vader over done. On the other, there's videos of officially licensed Vader breakdance shows at Disneyland, so... Who honestly the frick cares?
Frick, who honestly gives a frick about Star Wars in general at this point? If you didn't jump off at Episode 8, then you deserve all the slop you get fed.
>On the other, there's videos of officially licensed Vader breakdance shows at Disneyland
George ha salways had good humor about the series and is fine with parodies and ridiculous shit like that. Having a silly dance at a show or in a video game is also not the same as undermining the plot of your movie in an official sequel
Not to sound like a George fanboying prequelgay, but bringing back Sheev wasn't even necessarily a bad idea, it's just that it was obviously a last minute asspull because they didn't know how to continue the story from TLJ while pleasing the people who hated TLJ.
didn't this guy sign an NDA, why is he posting about it?
>if you can figure out a way
That seems to be the key phrase here, and also the problem. They didn't "figure out a way" - they hand waved it away with one line of dialogue and only a surface level clone bit. Is there a way to being Sheev back and do it well? Probably, but the over payed Hollywood writers who just went on strike for even more money couldn't be bothered
Yeah, Lucas did in the 90s too
But instead of cringe grandpa Sheev he had teen Palpatine
>apology revoked
Really makes you think
Bringing back the Emperor was a darkhorse comics idea back in 1992.
George is still a talentless hack and liar.
Remember when they announced he was back on Fortnite?
If you watch and support this garbage you deserve all the shit canon you get.
>Disney writes utter shit for the star wars sequels
>Why would George lucas do this?
The guy's a hack but come on now
Nerds are still raging at George Lucas, after 3 non-Lucas movies, Funny huh
Just because disney-Wars is shit doesn't make the prequels less shit. Frick George. He was always an over rated hack that got lucky.
Normal people don't consider disney wars real star wars canon. Lucas is the last person to make a star wars movie
Literally said ...
"If you can find d a way"
What they did in the movie...
"Somehow Palpatine has come back"
Frick off Disney