Anyone else watched this criminally underrated series? The marketing team killed it before it had a chance. Spoilers likely ahead
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Anyone else watched this criminally underrated series? The marketing team killed it before it had a chance. Spoilers likely ahead
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Also a provocative but short intro. Probably the first cyberpunk series to actually make me consider mind uploading as a viability and not some tacked on plot point like Cyberpunk. More Ghost in the Shell but drama love story than pure action and philosophizing.
backwards brain
And a contender for best dad in western animation
Not even gay but I'd date him.
Can't blame you. David is fricking adorable and activates my protective instincts
He's a good blend of "I want to protect him" and "he can protect himself" energy. Very well balanced for a character that could've been written to be a literal god
I would have loved to see the board's live reactions to things like The MIST reveal or Caspian and Maddie kissing. But considering the circumstances I'm glad we got the 2nd season at all.
Man really held everything together. Without him things went south so quickly
I can imagine live discussions. It would've been a hell of a ride. I could see complaints with the pacing of the last few episodes though. But I think that's part of the charm. A fish out of water story to really drive home how weird life was at that point, and how weird it could really get once the singularity took off. But it still felt very grounded. Even given godlike time, technology, and society, people still wanted human things. No matter how advanced we become, we are still human at the end of the day, and I think the show does a good deal to show how that's not only okay, but desirable. It made me appreciate my life now, and that is something a scant few pieces of fiction have ever done.
Oh hey I still need to finish season 2, thanks for reminding me.
It's a bit rushed towards the end, but I still really enjoyed it. The ending made me cry. Maddie is best girl and I will die on that hill
Idk man thats seem a bit sussy
>Has nothing of which Cinemaphile b***hes about
>no muh lesbians
>no woke shit at all
>dies
>threads always die, never hit bump limit
So Cinemaphile just likes to seethe endlessly over shit they 'hate'
You're just figuring this out, huh. Although dumping all episodes at once didn't really help.
It was one of the maybe four cartoons I enjoyed the last years.
A large part of Cinemaphile is just tumblr so they like lesbians and shit. On top of that come the shitposters so everything with woke shit gets at least 200% times the traffic of everything else. It's sad how that works and that the woke meme is true, at least for cartoons. Force that shit in and your series will be popular. Notice how black or indian characters never attract any of those groups. The self-acclaimed wokes just watch shit for fetish reasons and self-inserting but pretend they were totally different from otaku that they consider evil.
80% of Cinemaphile worship dykeshit shows
>The only blue haired girls are trying to frick the same guy
I for one welcome our new Chinese writers.
HAHAHAHAHAHAH. I fricking wish.
We used to have a lesbian porn thread on every front page. Hot girls doing each other was very popular on Cinemaphile. Now, it's no longer a male fantasy, we don't care much.
Here at Cinemaphile we just make shit up.
>I wish I was Japanese and made anime, the series
Could they at least try to be original?
Cinemaphile is a women's board.
>wow there's chicks with dicks
>wow there's furries in this old RPG book I found
>wow there's otherkin-esque identity crises
>wow John Wick is in my braaAAaaAain
Where did you get transgenderism or they/them pronouns from that?
>it's an homage.
And Disney's frame copying is a homage.
>And Disney's frame copying is a homage.
Wow, great job on ignoring the rest of what I wrote.
Different take: the show was so bad nobody watched it. If nobody watches it, nobody can b***h about it. If nobody can b***h about it, there's no thread.
That's the difference, anon. Good popular shows get shortlived threads. Bad popular shows get constant threads with b***hing about them. Unpopular shows get nothing.
Don't pretend it was made for the lowest common denominator like the vast majority of popular franchises, it's like complaing that thx 1138 was forgotten compared to star wars.
Opinions on the villains/anti heroes of the story? Chandra's fate when he's introduced was horrifying but I don't think it really warranted everything he did. He's one of those characters for me that really straddled the edge between anti hero and villain
>Spoilering this image because I really don't know if this is too gruesome or not, even though it isn't totally a spoiler because it happens in episode 2
Said fate. Being forcibly uploaded against his will by his employer so he can continue working for them for (multiple) eternites
Cons:
Indian tech evangelist
Pros:
Wanted to nuke NorCal
Balance: pretty cool guy
I liked Chandra in S1. He worked really well because he demonstrated that the mind was a dangerous thing and could go scary places when pushed to the brink of loneliness and ego death. A hint towards an ageless being of twisted emotions and weaponized insecurities to make you question whether mental immortality is such a great thing.
As an actual tech worker who knows Steve Jobs as an ideas guy and a salesman, I'm far too biased to ever take "super intelligent tech Jesus, Steve Jobs" seriously. The scene where he killed the Chinese dude was great, though.
I think they did a great job showing his anger and coping strategies early in his first episode. Boxing and stuff to work out his stress. Kinda hard to work out your aggression when you don't have a body anymore. Doesn't excuse what he did, but it becomes more understandable.
Also yeah, the almost literal cult was the most farfetched thing in the series imo, and that's saying something given what the story is about and how it ends. But in universe I suppose it makes sense. When people think they've found jesus and he has a plan to create literal man made heaven
Frick Lucas Pope. The most depth he showed was when he showed blind faith in Caspian but when it turned out that was just because he viewed him as an expendable means to an end that good will was erased. Frankly, his being a clearly-amoral butthole only concerned with his own immortality undermined several things. But I guess, generously, undermining ideology with old-fashioned selfishness and worldly-fixations was the point of the character.
I'll never forgive him for causing Caspian prime and maddie's sons death. In his own words "not that destroying heaven because you can't get in isn't spiteful".
Although at the same time if it wasn't for him Maddie wouldn't have become a de facto god in the end
he was too gay for the show, simple as
Bro delete this
not before he gets a love interest which means never
Dumb banchod should of updated his marriage CV when he got promoted to senior engineer
he passed up the chance to hook up with one of the hottest chicks in the show. it's more than just the cv
Did Maddie's simulation call his mom?
Maddie's simulation called everyone by that logic
>It's noisy in here
>Ma, how's your foot?
>I wish I was in my personal scape, launching nukes
I wish Chanda got a little more time to do his thing Season 2. Would have liked more limelight time before Not!Steve Jobs takes over
who the frick even likes cyberpunk as a genre? if you don't like identity politics then you can't like cyberpunk
>tfw it's a real spoiler
I mean... the show is definitely pretty deep into identity philosophy and the nature of life/simulated life. The second season especially with Caspian and Stephen, and even more so towards the end of S2, Maddie's simulation and Safesurf
Will I possibly like this if I don't like animation in general?
depends tbh. It's a great near future cyberpunk drama. The animation is good, the second season takes it up a notch philosophically and animation wise. It takes inspiration from Ghost in the Shell and other classics, and deals with similar themes, but I'd argue it takes those themes further, and less dystopian, though evil corporations and end of the world scenarios abound. At the end of the day it's the story of a girl and her experiences with her family and loved ones as they navigate the scary implications of unchained technology and transhumanism. It integrates the human spirit and love in a way that I can't say many other scifi shows with similar themes do. The show doesn't even bother with asking or answering the continuity problem, preferring instead to focus on other ethical and moral conundrums.
I can't guarantee you'll like it if you don't like animation (the team that did Korra also did this iirc), but the story is well worth it imo. The characters are convincing and reasonable for the most part, and nobody (besides early villains) are evil for no reason. Well rounded, worth a look at least. Like Deus Ex, but if a cute determined girl was the lead, not a secret agent supersoldier
Apart from the cyber battles between Uploaded Intelligences, the series very easily could have been live action.
and the uploading scene can be done using practical effects
Have you seen the last two episodes?
Bump
another image of best dad. There are criminally few images and videos of the show online. It debuted over a year ago and I didn't hear of it until a few weeks ago. The marketing for this was nonexistent
was she in a swimsuit in any episode?
Maddie? I don't think so. She's a fantasy video game character for a bit, but that's the sum of it for clothing. She is shown after a pg13 fade to black naked in bed but it's kept pretty tame, and the mood isn't really titillating given the events. One more thing this show needs more notoriety for, fanart.
Just remembered her mom has a skimpy dressed avatar for a scene or two
cyberpunk is a red flag for troony normalization
I wish lardass Tata McEvilguy got more time and plot tbh, more compelling than garystuish Steve Jobs
>lardass Tata McEvilguy
I'm bad with Indian names
Nono, I know exactly who you're talking about. I just couldn't help but snicker at that perfect name
This fanart finally made me realize why Maddie looks so familiar early on. She looks like Sarada, or at least has similar hair
Is Sarada if she were a Western girl?
She looks like Penny Parker
Oh wow she does
good. maddie is love. penny is love.
t. coomer
Yeah, I'm getting uploaded.
Someone needs to make a Do It For Her image for Maddie
Alright I'm off to bed for the night. Thanks for the thread guys. One last image from me for the night. The scene that made it worth it to me, but I'm a sappy fricker at heart so ymmv. Spoilers for late season 2, but honestly if you hadn't seen it coming...
>Maddie recreated the holocaust, the suffering and slow, undignified deaths of 6 million israelites, having them relive every iota of loss, trauma, rape, degradation
>She did this ∞^∞ times, and is still doing it ∞ times in some layers to this very picosecond
Dangerously based. Mossad shouldn't of kidnapped her boyfriend
Not necessarily. Her simulation really only needed that data as backstory. The minds of everyone before her weren't necessarily running simulations. She was more focused on the people she knew about relatively recently. It's more likely her simulations only ran a few decades at a time. From the moment of Caspian and her being born to whatever end state she decided, likely her and Caspian's deaths. Everything before and after that is unnecessary calculation better spent elsewhere.
I'm more curious how the prime timeline went, since it's implied that even her simulation dyson sphere is part of Safesurf's grand simulation at the center of the galaxy. Without Caspian telling her the year count, how would she have known to even build a dyson sphere? Or it was the upload version of being stuck in the past, literally reliving the past until she could make her perfect timeline real and prime Maddie just got her miracle.
>running universe simulation only from the start-of-lifespan of people she cared about
I dunno about that, the voiceover during the building of the dyson sphere mentions having the data of the genetic memory of all of homosexual sapiens, not just a snapshot backup of humanity at the time that she lived her original meatspace life. In fact, if you could selectively start VRIs from specific snapshots what's the point of reliving her loved ones' entire lives anyway? Why couldn't she start from the point where her son and Caspian died and just console commanded them back alive in the first place? Something something free will? It's more likely that, for some reasons of character integrity, you have to simulate the entire universe. Gods run universes, not just photo albums of their lives.
I suppose so. I took that line to mean that it was truly perfect, not an imperfect copy. This is my problem with simulation hypothesis', they require perfect understanding from a start state. Maddie was working with first hand information. The holocaust or any past event couldn't have been perfectly replicated because the true first hand accounts of everyone involved aren't known fully. Those gaps cannot be closed no matter how advanced technology becomes. It would require truly godlike technology like time travel to patch those holes.
Yeah but that's where the line comes in about genetic memory. She has a start state and perfect information of all antecedents and genetic ancestors from her own, or other dna. It's another handwaved technological leap, like the dyson sphere, von neumann server blocks, generation ships, and qbit computing hardware.
Though I guess that means incels aren't true perfect simulations in her universe, since they didn't breed and didn't leave their genetic memory to the collective database.
Based
I feel like the prime timeline ended horribly. She probably died alongside her son, Caspian died freeing Safesurf to go to space where millennia later they evolved to create their own super simulation all just to thank Caspian and Maddie.
The part I liked the most was how Safesurf described humanity to any alien life it met over its journey, that's probably the nicest thing an AI has said about its creators I've seen in fiction
Oh god I didn't think of that. That would solve the copy problem I was stuck on... That's unpleasant to think about, but also maybe not? Idk how to feel about that actually. Maybe that's a point in the shows favor that I literally can't tell if I'm satisfied with the philosophical answer, because there literally isn't one.
Totally agree on Safesurf or whatever it calls itself now describing humans. "Low entropy self replicating entities that generate a binding force called Compassion" That description of humanity floored me. I was genuinely stunned. So simple, but so meaningful. If someday we make a sentience that grows beyond us, I would be content with that description.
It almost blended metaphysics and science for me. This show was something else
I think we can infer that Prime timeline ended with Prime maddie being pretty distraught over the whole losing everyone she loved thing, it's unknown what happened from there. She potentially might have become DysonMaddie and simulated a bunch of stuff, since it's shown that the simulations aren't perfect and need a little nudging from the people running to make things run as they did, like what happened with David and Caspian, so who knows. It's also likely that she might have just stayed human and died alone.
How can I support this show? Would the money go to the show's creators if I buy its seasons on Amazon Prime?
I have no idea unfortunately. It's a damn shame because I would support them in a heartbeat
It's not fair that this show got so little attention.
I grabbed it from here
https://1337x(.)to/torrent/5847488/Pantheon-S02-COMPLETE-1080p-AMZN-WEB-DL-DD5-1-H-264-PlayWEB-TGx/
Forgot to say that you have to remove the parentheses
>(.)
Thank you friend. Have a cute mom
>creators used my mega
mega based crew
watch the whole thing anywhere you want and talk about it on social media.
Basically the only way to support the creator is to buy his books or move to new zealand and buy amazon prime since the show is only available there.
anyone's got a mega for season 2?
I watched season 1 alongside Cinemaphile back when was is airing, it was quite good. Last thing I heard is that seasons 2 and 3 had been cancelled, but then yesterday someone said that amazon had picked it up.
Season 2 was already made, but was written off by AMC. Then Amazon picked it and season 1 up. There's no season 3.
Though I would be so game for shenanigans across cyberspace or an anthology
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I LOVE MIST!
Why have they portrayed my ai daughter this way? She is an innocent cinnamon roll who should be protected
Sir, I have to tell you, she's a conniving b***h. She groomed her nephew, lied to Caspian and her sister for decades.
>That's why I fell in love with you
Why did she feel the need to say this? What value does it add?
Sometimes you just have to confess, anon. Haven't you ever felt that way?
>Safesurf manges to transcend into true godhood beyond the interminable layers of simulation
>Somehow it gives them magical Black african accents
I did my best to spread the word, via recommendations and my own drawings, got at least 2 or 3 people realllllllyyy into Maddie
>pov Chanda had a mild disagreement with you
>I did my best to spread the word
Based
>via recommendations and my own drawings
Gigabased
> got at least 2 or 3 people realllllllyyy into Maddie
Unfathomably based. Maddie is best girl, without contest. And spreading word while also making fan content is top tier.
Thanks, I'd share some but my art of her is umm "un-Christian"
Here's one by a friend
kek thanks for more chanda pics
This show was a quasi-religious experiance.
I've honestly only once prior felt such emotion and connection to a work of art before.
It actually fricked me up for days.
What I would give for them to have been able to finish the series the way they wanted, instead of the compressed ending it got.
I know what you mean. I was kind of disappointed too, but I'm also glad they got to release season 2 instead of leaving it hanging like so many other shows.
The show really leaned into the whole 'If god did not exist it would be necessary for man to create him' vibe.
S1 is 10/10, but S2 feels like a 7/10 in comparison. Just feels too literal and conflict based instead of the mystery and conspiracies of S1. Did like the higher concept finale though, even if the context to get there was kinda stupid.
Yeah gotta agree with this, outside of the courageously out-there ending s2 feels pretty badly paced, and after the 20 year timeskip it feels particularly contrived: all the conflict and family drama felt cheap, like they had to be that way in order to make a convenient and relatable microcosm of the greater shifts in society after the singularity. Maddie and her family stopped behaving like characters and rather became caricatures
But then again, there was producer pressure to wrap things up, budgetary issues, and the typical 'writing yourself into a hole' problem high-concept sci-fi tends to run into often. So I think they did pretty close to as good as possible given the circumstances.
I'm of the thought that they likely cut the original extent of season 2 short to fit the last two episodes in, and the last two episodes are what was meant to be an entire flushed out 3rd season.
It works with the production reality the show was in at the time, and it explains a lot of the jank towards the end. Like the info dumps, way too brief new factions, characters, plots, and also the 'new' Mist and her loving Caspian only for that to never be expanded upon or even really relevant at all.
>But then again, there was producer pressure to wrap things up, budgetary issues, and the typical 'writing yourself into a hole' problem high-concept sci-fi tends to run into often. So I think they did pretty close to as good as possible given the circumstances.
They had both seasons finished before the first episode aired. It's exactly as it's intended.
Exactly. The last two episodes are meant to be paced as they were. The viewer is meant to be as overwhelmed as Caspian is over all that has happened since he was gone.
It really drove home how different life was for uploads. That even time could be effectively changed from their experience. If you died as an upload and had to be rebooted from source, you would think that no time at all had passed, even if thousands of years had elapsed. Every iteration or reboot would progressively get weirder and weirder. I think there's a short story about this actually. "Valuable humans in transit" or something like that. Good stuff
One night stand baby was stupid. Glad he didn't get a whole season to waffle about will he upload or not.
I seriously don't understand why Maddie would choose to live in a loop of her life just before discovering uploaded intelligence. it's not really explained very well, imo.
It's the calm before the storm when she's still just talking to Caspian on internet message boards
>Remember that time when we didn't know each other outside of posting on the same TORchat threads, I was getting the FRICK bullied out of me by the Stacy gang, and I was depressed from my dad's death?
>Yeah, good times.
Yup
"When you upload yourself you get teleported to digital paradise" propaganda needs to be stopped, and authors pussied out of naming it directly for what it is for two seasons. You die, your digital copy lives. SOMA tackled it perfectly.
>maybe it's a version where conscious is uninterrupted and you really teleport into digital world
No, they created unlimited copies of David from his data, so it's just a data in cold storage and not you.
If anything, the whole 'brainscan kills you' seems like a plot / narrative contrivance that takes a bit of suspension of disbelief.
If you can read and recreate a person's brain patterns in a digital format, and you can copy and duplicate it, there's really nothing that calls for killing the meat brain being read for the scan. And if there was one originally, it would have been a technical problem that's easy to fix. I can see how in the early days they might have needed to physically slice up the brain tissue to get as high fidelity a scan as possible, but technological progress should come with stronger scanners that wouldn't need that.
Of course, narratively, allowing for this would run into the prestige clone problem, which wasn't the direction the story needed. But it's still kind of an asspull.
i prefer the ending of the original trilogy where the ending is just "what do you think? is the virtual world the ultimate solution or not? it's up to you"
I was thinking about this while watching the show, but had the show gotten hung up on that detail it probably would have dragged the show down
What's the problem with dying?
This. I feel like the show preferred to tackle other problems and questions than fall back on this one. It would definitely have dragged it down to spend a few episodes dealing with it. Plus I always assumed they had conquered that problem in universe. Since nobody ever seems perturbed by it at all.
By what? I don't follow you at all. What problem did they skip? They made the upload destructive to add tension to the story.
I call it the continuity problem, but basically the idea that when you're uploaded you die and a perfect clone takes your place. Same as the transporter problem in star trek. We can't tell if the original is transferred or dies. Copy and paste vs cut and paste. The show didn't really focus on it because it chose to focus on other philosophical problems
I thought a lot about uploading but I never thought about that. What would it change? What's the difference? For all intents and purposes, your own and your environment's, your uploaded self is still you. You feel the same, you bring the same joy to others. How does dying affect you personally?
I once came up with the idea of uploading minds myself. I started thinking how to achieve it and how to hide it so that no one else could get the same idea. I didn't even google it.
Eventually I started looking into it covertly and found that it's an old idea and tech billionaires are already pursuing it.
I love the show because it briefly made me not accept UIs at the end. Just as it had for Ellen and Maddie. When we see Maddie's simulations I instinctively thought, that's nonsense, none of them matter. I had to consciously remind myself that they are no different from UIs.
I don't think there's any danger to your uploaded mind. We can safely backup software, nothing would ever stop your existence. You could lose an instance of your mind but not all your backups.
>I don't think there's any danger to your uploaded mind. We can safely backup software, nothing would ever stop your existence. You could lose an instance of your mind but not all your backups.
That's what's terrifying actually.
The most terrifying thing I can imagine is endless pain. It's probably very difficult to get the brain simulation right. Even if some little part isn't simulated correctly, you could be suffering horrific, unimaginable, endless pain. Musk's Neuralink put chips in monkey brains. One monkey ate his fingers because of the chip's signals.
Neat! Manmade horrors beyond my comprehension!
It's shit like this that makes me seriously reconsider ever uploading. I'll take physical immortality any day. Although it does make Safesurf's ultimate end that much more satisfying. Not all ai need to hate us. We are as much love as we are hate. A war between AI's would be an interesting concept for a show. One benevolent and one Malevolent.
Maddie being cute
Maddie and Caspian being lovey dovey
David being a cute dad and husband
Chanda being cool
What you would want your UI avatar to be since we see so many variations later on
>A war between AI's would be an interesting concept for a show. One benevolent and one Malevolent.
Spoilers, but go watch Person Of Interest.
>I instinctively thought, that's nonsense, none of them matter. I had to consciously remind myself that they are no different from UIs
This was the most brilliant part of the ending for me. It changed my opinions on the many worlds hypothesis from "No world matters" to "Every world matters", and a fake can be just as real as the real thing. My singular issue was that of consiousness. Does the consciousness that you are or I am now experience death and never return, or is it truly moved over, Am I the hardware, the software both, neither? Holonomic brain theory would say that it preserved the continuity of the original consiousness, but in our world who knows.
Regardless, in the event that it is a copy and paste and the original dies so the copy can live, I would probably eventually still be okay with that. I would die anyway, may as well have part of me live on, but that is still only second best to a true transfer imo
Reminds me of this. Think if any of Maddie's or SafeSurf's sims become self-aware (again) they'd decide to go Final Fantasy on them?
Statistically it's certain to happen given enough time, but I like to think that the other sims are left to their own devices now. Maddie has her heaven and she's content with it. Eventually the new universe they created at the end will develop ui tech (hopefully more utopian than what they got originally), and they'll eventually chose to upload in that universe to live forever together. Essentially the perfect universe. Meanwhile, a different Maddie may choose to go to the center of the Galaxy, but the whole thing was a thank you from Safesurf, so it really doesn't matter in the end. Statistically everyone will get what they want eventually. Very Higurashi-esque I think
I just realized a moral of the story I hadn't before. Similar to Everything Everywhere All At Once. Be compassionate even when you don't know, or when you're scared, or even as you're dying. You never know how the kindness may be returned
>Does my copy go to heaven?
That's for the church to figure out.
Religion wise I'm more interested in what's left for God. He used to be worshiped for letting food grow on the fields. That's why the israelites sacrificed animals in the Temple of Jerusalem. When Rome figured out how to feed a million Romans for free, God was worshiped for being able to end the world by apocalyptic preachers. Now a bunch of people can end the world for real and the churches got rather empty. What's left for God after we can upload people to heaven? His capacity for mercy?
Is it taking over from god, or trying to usurp his position? His existence is as unanswerable as the continuity problem. That is to say impossible except for true first hand experience. God would still have primacy as the creator of at least this level of reality, and have a higher degree of freedom in this world than we ever will. We need to cheat to reach his level, he is naturally so, assuming he exists.
I would say that one thing he supposedly can do that we truly never will is resurrection of the dead. We would need to cheat, but he can truly return a consciousness to original form, a feat that would require breaking all known laws of physics. Mercy as you said, forgiveness, perhaps he already runs a heaven and we are simply delaying getting there by uploading.
What about the church? Why would you go to church in a world where you could be uploaded?
because the show is heavily catholic-themed and adheres to the omega point theory
Does it really though? I dunno about the ascended safesurf giggahomies, but I found the depiction of Maddie's existence in the final ep exceedingly lonely. There's no endemic-level intelligence along with her in her dyson sphere; it seems like eventually every intelligence (that doesn't Culture-style suicide) gets their own colony ship, star system, dyson sphere, a technological heaven that's more surface-level Mormon than Catholic Universalist.
Sure, she can pull up lower-order instances of her dad to talk to for a while, before he mysteriously starts forgetting stuff and she needs to stick him in another server. Sure, at the very end, she's made the 'perfect' / full-fidelity version of Caspian and her son after all that work. But it's all stuff of her own creation, further from her at that omnipotent, godlike point as a barebones LLM character.ai template is from a human user now.
She's a little girl playing with dolls to cope with the trauma of losing her loved ones, playing with dolls for 17,000 years.
That WOULD be the case, except they're already in Safesurf's own grand simulation. According to both Maddie and it, it is as real as the real thing. And at that point, you could choose to split hairs and die, or you can defy fate and work to achieve your dream the only way you know how.
Everyone's in someone's simulation, but I think the point of alienation is between lower and high orders of simulation.
Prime Maddie can pull as many sub-prime versions of David Kim out and talk to him, but would she really see him as her real dad? When he asks her for the millionth time how many times she's done this, or tells her for the ten millionth time that 'wow this dyson sphere is really cool, whatever's happening, I'm proud of you kiddo' does she really see him as an equal she can relate to, talk to, learn and grow from? She's seen how every single conversation she could possibly have with him plays out. At that point she has a quintillion^quintillion times more compute than him and is slowing herself down just to be intelligible. And even there, they say that eventually, lower-order simulations pulled into higher-order servers eventually start forgetting shit, like they're not supposed to be pulled out of their native simulations.
Frankly, I think she'd eventually grow bored even of her 'perfect' Caspian. Nostalgia only goes so far when you compare a 17,000 year old and a 18 year old operating from two different planes of existence, especially when that 18 year old is essentially a recreated memory from yourself.
I think this is why they went the way they did. Prime Maddie choosing a 'human' life with Caspian in an ideal universe. Godhood isn't what she wanted. It isn't really what anyone wants. We all just want an infinite amount of time with our loved ones, in a world just like ours. A very human thing to want. I think it's why she essentially refused Safesurf's offer.
Maddie seems to consider Caspian's opinion as equal to her own. She may have more experience than everyone else, but she's still only human. The mind can only expand so far before you become something else, and since they just scan a brain and simulate it, it is still bound by human thought. I think that's why I like the ending so much.
Like Iroh says in Atla, "Perfection and power are overrated. I think you are very wise to choose happiness and love."
Fair enough. Reliving out your best days and extrapolating an ideal future with people you love is not a bad end-state for a late Holocene hairless monkey, even if it is engineered.
It's funny how in all this technological singularity hoo-hah the only thing separating the ending being positive or nihilist depends on the viewer's fundamental belief: Does a digital simulation still have the soul of the original?
>We all just want an infinite amount of time with our loved ones, in a world just like ours.
This strikes a chord with me because my transhumanist [spoiler]furry leanings have always been tempered by knowledge that any future where I get what I want for my body will be one wholly removed from the one in which I envisioned being a certain way to begin with. It's funny that so much related fiction is just slice-of-life with technomagic, when really, the socioeconomic circumstances that would bring them about would involve a complete breakdown of what we're familiar with. I just want to be a big fuzzy bear man in the early years of the 21st century, in my prime, with the people I know, but you get to pick one and only one. I'm disquieted by the manner in which we're hurtling into the future as a society.[/spoiler]
>transhumanist
>furry
You're just a basal animal who went the wrong direction.
You're neither the falling angel nor the rising ape. You're just the falling ape.
Light-skating bear, actually
I think the future will strike a balance between a cyberpunk and solarpunk type of trajectory, if that makes sense. I think in abstract so I have no concrete way to describe. Balance maybe. We'll get through this bump in the road with nations acting for their own leaders interests and move towards a more balanced society. Both with each other, nature, and technology.
As a nonbinary person, I respect your desire. And I empathize with your feelings. We can only do the best we can, but perhaps knowing that whatever amounts to a soul inside us is already at the state we desire will be enough for now. Our bodies don't match up with our minds, but we can supplement that. VR is rapidly advancing, and even if a full style upload isn't viable in our lifetime, we can get close.
Until recently I was also concerned with the future. I still am to an extent of course, but I see light on the horizon. The internet makes human connections across the world. It makes large scale attempts to divide almost impossible. It amplifies hate yes, but it also amplifies love and compassion.
I, on the other hand, wish to be her, like a fricking troon
What's the difference?
Some "fanart".
Season 2 spoiler.
>It's the weirdo she met online
Need more art of these two
Rice cooker Mist >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Generic anime girl Mist
I finished it the other day, one of the best shows I've seen in a long while
I don't have AMC+ but I will get a free trial and watch this show because of the threads I've seen on here. I just wanted to let you know your shilling worked.
You won't regret it. And the best part is the ending to season 2. I think it's on Prime.
>AMC+
anon, I...
Is it not on there anymore?
yes
Then what the frick
AMC sold it to Amazon who have only aired it in a couple of regions. There is no real way to support the show without being an Aussie and it's kinda pointless considering they sold it off for a tax writeoff, the game was rigged from the start.
In Germany it's being broadcasted one episode per week on a pay tv channel. After the broadcast the episode is available on their website. Amazon Prime is offering that channel. That's the only way I could watch it officially.
what website?
Joyn
ProSieben FUN
Seven Entertainment
neat
How's the dub? It's the only thing stopping me from checking it out.
don't know, don't understand German
Is it available in English or just German?
seems to be just German
Well I was literally about to create an account on AMC+ to watch it, and I might've stuck around to rewatch Rectify because that show was amazing and it's not on Netflix anymore, but now I'll hold off on that.
Does AMC+ not offer a preview of what shows they're offering?
Every streaming service shows you previews but they don't show you the whole library until you sign up. It's a little annoying.
>There is no real way to support the show without being an Aussie
Can't you buy it digitally?
Only the first season but all you're doing is putting money in the pockets of the people that cancelled it in the first place.
I watched S1. I liked it. I'll probably get around to watching S2 this weekend, especially with Cinemaphile talking about it so much. S1 did get into some pretty neat ideas, and while I'm sure that S2 won't perfectly follow up on everything I've already seen the spoilers around here I'm still interested in seeing how they actually handle it in the show.
>check Amazon
>not for sale in my region
And here, I was looking at buying it.
Frick trying to support anything I enjoy, I guess.
>who the frick even likes cyberpunk as a genre?
I like cyberpunk.
I wouldn't really consider Pantheon to be cyberpunk, though. Taking just one aspect of technology to an extreme isn't what cyberpunk is about. Unless S2 goes well off the rails of what I expect.
>if you don't like identity politics then you can't like cyberpunk
Out of all the things happening in cyberpunk, "identity politics" is the least relevant. You can always tell when someone comes from /misc/ if this is the first thing that jumps to their mind in every situation.
>spoiler
Shame. Seeing Mist for the first time was mind blowing. They just kept escalating the story in ways I didn't expect. I don't remember many stories where that happened.
I think that's my favorite thing about it. It doesn't just stop where every other cyberpunk series does, it really dives in to the implications of its technology and society, to the very end. And then the finale turns everything you think you learned on its head with even more implications.
It's like Maddie said "I'm Maddie Kim. I was born in the late Holocene and I've seen some shit." It makes the decision much more meaningful, that despite all the advances humans still just want one simple thing, Life
>I wouldn't really consider Pantheon to be cyberpunk, though.
this. i don't get why the show was advertised as cyberpunk in the first place
>Out of all the things happening in cyberpunk, "identity politics" is the least
I don't agree. Cyberpunk as a genre wouldn't exist without the basic anxiety of white people in the 70s and 80s imagining being treated like black people.
>Your shilling worked
I shill not for the corpos, but for the creators, and for the story. You have my respect
Does Prime have both seasons?
yes, but only in Australia and New Zealand
Prime has no seasons.
I'm glad we get frequent threads of this show.
Forever remember Chanda. Or CHADnda as I call him.
Can someone explain the bizarre streaming situation for this show? Is it unwatchable in America currently?
Too close to the truth so They are burying it.
You jest, but Jeff did invest in real mind uploading startups in Silicon Valley.
Isn't the creator of SiriusXM also big into it, trying to make her girlfriend immortal? And Gabe Newell is also working on full dive VR, but one will naturally lead to the other I think.
Though Pantheon is the first piece of fiction I've read to actually make the idea appealing to me. I've only ever seen the downsides. If you're immortal and nonphysical, any minor corruption or even a bar magnet placed in the wrong area will have you experiencing time slowly in pure agony for eternity. That's still a threat in Pantheon, but it seems more managed. I think that's what I liked best about it. It showed that while uploads can be very powerful, they are at the end of the day just human minds, and are still very much mortal, just ageless. A different route to immortality. I think I'd still prefer physical agelessness, but that's just me.
wcostream.tv/ has it. No idea how to watch it officially though.
I liked it, nice to have a more mature themed animation that isnt capeshit or something adultswim. Felt like they sabotaged the hell out of the thing. Surprised it even got a second season...in which I forgot was even a thing myself. Will watch later
Just watched it over the weekend. It was really good but the last two episodes of S2 were so rushed and unnecessary that it really brought the whole thing low.
Besides the rushed ending, I couldn't take the UI's choice in outfits seriously. I know that it's probably because of Reign of Winter but it's hard to sell somebody on a TV show when it looks like a western's pathetic attempt at isekai. Point being I liked Chanda more when he was wearing a suit rather than being some martial artist warrior or straight up WoW demon.
honestly matthew patel in picrel did everything i ever hoped from chanda, down to the trishul fight
Maddie is Pomni. Her dad is Caine. Screencap this.
mindblowing if true
If you liked Pantheon (especially S1), I am begging you to check out Rainbows End by Vernor Vinge (and support getting either Ghibli or some knockoff Western Ghibli to make an animated adaptation).
Or Fast Times At Fairmont High, the short story it's based on.
As long as it's not AI
The first image was made years ago, using the contemporary equivalent of AI (copping some Ghibli grass to shoop and meticulously painting over a photo of the building). The AI gens on the right are because I still suck at drawing people and coloring/shading.
I would hope an adaptation would be hand-drawn.
I'm interested. But isn't 2006 a bit too outdated? I liked how the tech in Pantheon was very believable.
The main consumer-facing technologies in RE are AR glasses/contacts (to the point that it was required reading for XR enthusiasts a few years ago) and compute-capable clothing that they interface with, along with ubiquitous hyper-fast internet. Major plot points involve web-enabled gig work, Five Eyes bullshit, and SV tech incubators. The Pokemon and Terry Pratchett fandoms are at war.
It's about 5 simulations away from being our own.
I'll try it.
That looks like low quality AI slop though
The left one took several days and I have the procreate and affinity files to prove it. The others are absolutely AI crap and I've never not been open about that.
give drawing ideas
Mist seducing Caspian's son. Pic ref
Anything?
Ellen wearing a VR headset and not much else, please.
How about another promotional pic? How would you draw "Pantheon"?
justine was, is and always will be my homie
She's a real one.
Never heard of it, but I like her hair, so I'll probably watch it.
Good taste. Maddie is bae
You are a scholar and a gentleman
love those barrettes
so cute
Only literal children wear that hairstyle.
a shame, more women should wear it.
This girl was literally just modeled on the Major, wasn't she
Wait till you get to the keyboard scene. I'm surprised they got away with it.
They have very expensive music, maybe they actually pay for showing Ghost in the Shell references.
> I'm surprised they got away with it.
To be fair, they openly state in the show that it's an homage.
They made zero pretense at pretending the scene was original.
After watching the finale there's something I can't get out of my mind.
The first thing we see in the first episode is Maddie being bullied by her classmates imitating her. I thought it's just a way girls bully other girls
Is it though?What if it's the simulation?
>Is it though?What if it's the simulation?
That's what I thought originally.
Caspian never talked to his son.
I can't really stand the visual and aesthetic incoherence of the rainbowpuke VRchat future they're presenting here and I don't see why the show presents it as a good thing. Just because you can become a pokemon or fairy godmother or ugly floating head or live in a non-Euclidean house, doesn't mean you should.
You know how when you wanna build a house in new, sorta-upscale neighborhood and the HOA gets up in your shit about design principles saying everyone's gotta follow 'Asian Modern' or 'Spanish Mission' or whatever? I hope there are at least some servers like that.
>Holstrom was right
Yeah, I get what they were going for (limitless possibilities as a UI) but didn't quite hit the mark aesthetically and felt too whimsical.
Realistically, you can probably mod yourself to remove cosmetics from the world if you wanted to. You don't want to see the futa furry, just mentally create a filter for it.
SafeSurf mentions that he's met aliens. You can imagine that some have gone through a similar upload paradigm shift; probably some species that are older than humanity. A few individual minds with billions of subjective years to move away from the harsh moderation of physical reality. They must be /weird./ Maybe not even bad-weird. Just... hard to comprehend.
Man you're boring
>exact same thread twice a week like clock work for a dead show
>same posts
over and over
>little fanart
>no porn
first 2 may be inevitable, but last two is unacceptable
I agree! How do you suggest generating interest for fanart and porn without discussion though?
there's already much discussion for the show, just not the art
I was convinced they were going to try and milk the series for longer than it needed to be, but they wrote it to a specific end and I absolutely love it for that.
Never saw ads for it but I'd probably seen it earlier if it had a better poster design
Is there a rationale for S2 being kiwiland exclusive or is it just because some copyright bullshit blocking it from a wide release happens to not extend to that part of the world?
It was originally written off in the US, for tax purposes. We may never see an official release.
Regional releases for shit networks don't really care about is incomprehensible. Season 2 of Gary and His Demons for instance for months was only available at some random nordic streaming service with no US/Canadian release date announced.
Some of my unchristian works, may I be forgiven...
https://files.catbox.moe/vz5pmp.png
https://files.catbox.moe/xnscp8.png
https://files.catbox.moe/yk6gbk.png
Good shit
>more rule34
>doesn't get many responses
it's over
I’m waiting for more wholesome stuff.
I'm not sure if I understand what's going on in that top picture.
penetration through skirt in VR
I NEED some of Maddie right before the 20 year timeskip. Or even her teenage form in the dyson sphere. Something about the age lines on her just *chef's kiss
Very nice
So was Maddie the only one curious enough to become a dyson-god or something or do we just not know what happened to the rest of "humanity?"
Assuming humanity didn't burn itself out it's probably on multiple planets now, both as concrete beings and uploads. Maddie also says something to the effect of "this is only my piece of the universe" or something like that. It's possible she went with Mist and other such beings on their journey in the prime universe, Mist having concrete data from his upload after she saved him and all. Other humans probably have their own universes or live with family in other star systems. After 120,000 years, literally anything is possible with some effort.
I genuinely despise this b***h so much.
She's fine, but her b***h of a sister must be beaten to death.
I don't know. Her sister's obviously worse but Joey's terrible too. Rather than waiting for her children to at least reach an age in where they'd no longer need her, she cast aside them and her husband to live in a digital playspace. She's the femoid equivalent of a father going out for cigarettes and never coming back. Not to mention her first encounter with Caspian results in her assaulting him.
Season 2 sucked. The first half is season one all over again and the second half is just wierd
Still have a few more episodes left before I can participate in these threads. Maybe I'll finish it tomorrow.
awesome