People back in the 1600’s probably referred to Shakespeare plays as capeshit
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People back in the 1600s probably referred to Shakespeare plays as capeshit
Shakespeare was considered low-brow entertainment, yes.
I find it funny how what we consider "high tier art" was considered just cheap entertainment back in. Like classical music, renaisence paintings, etc.
so then what was considered "high tier art" back in the day?
beheadings
religion probably
church hymns, cathedral architecture, bible study, religious art, religious sculpture, philsophy.
That's not true though.
Ah yes, all those peasants drawing paintings and playing violins.
so do you realize just how good the ending of ROTJ is
It was only considered lowbrow because it was new and in English. Wasn't really a comment on quality.
It's funny how we just keep collectively getting dumber and dumber than our ancestors on average, for as superstitious as they were, and as little comparative knowledge they had
Literally that degeneration the old ones went through in Mountains of Madness, as the mural art gets worse and worse
Anything that was considered 'low tier' art has long been forgotten out of history. They only art that is still remembered was the quality high tier stuff. You think people will give a shit about capeshit in 20 years let alone 50?
>Graffiti penis blocks your path
We’re not though, the average person now knows more than the average person then, and the laymen who watched Shakespeare both knew the language naturally because it was written in the common dialect, and the more fancy stuff was literally seen as an intelligent special effect that would often go over the heads of certain viewers
Watching people talk fancy is a special effect
>the average person now knows more than the average person then
The average person now has all of humanity's collected knowledge at their fingertips, so doesn't bother to actually learn or retain most things, since the knowledge is always available.
Take away the internet and see how well most people do.
Who cares man, yeah we have the average person operating a telecommunications device to manage their finances, schedule, to access information, a pretty impressive step up for competence and control. Whining about this is such a technicality
>Whining about this
Who said anything about whining? Lel how is pointing it out whining? Why whine just because you don't like it getting pointed out?
Because the false premise of this conversation is that the human race is getting stupider, but carrying around and operating a codex of the world’s learning isn’t stupid. It’s all just cheap misanthropy, a guy who has to refer to his library to get information isn’t a stupid guy, and referring to a live digital encyclopedia you carry doesn’t mean you’re stupid either
>carrying around and operating a codex of the world’s learning isn’t stupid.
You're entirely missing the point that it makes you retain and learn LESS than would be necessary without it. So the second you LOSE it, you're fricked. AKA why humanity is royally fricked if a CME fries the power grid and satellites. Bye bye internet.
And I said who cares? We’re currently hooked up to a massive information system that has accelerated productivity and information access, you imagining the consequences its catastrophic downfall is not an argument for people being stupid, we literally have an intelligence infrastructure, that’s smart and it makes us smart when we use it
>intentionally missing the point cause he's insulted
K
I get your point, my point is that it’s a pointless technicality. You wouldn’t call people stupid for relying on the printing press to learn from books, it’s just a cynical thing to say
That seems like a meme not based on actual facts.
I doubt this is true. The majority of people back then were illiterate.
The majority of people then learned all essential life skills despite being illiterate. None of them were at risk of starvation without a grocery store.
No the only difference was it was performed in theatres for the general public, rather than privately at court or a wealthy aristocrat's home
>my source? uh i made that up
And they were right. There was probably incredible plays going on that didn't get preserved for one reason or another, likely because they didn't have broad appeal with the stupid masses like Shakespeare did.
There were probably plays being made at the same time that would rattle your very soul and awaken your animus, but we will never get to see them because the moron plebs that would be watching capeshit and anime today were guffawing and shitting their frayed pantaloons at Falstaff running to the pigsty they call a bar to tell all their friends about that jolly chungus who is literally them.
This is the perfect Cinemaphile take. Vastly oversimplified, oblivious and inflammatory.
He's right, though. Many intellectuals of the time don't even mention Shakespeare in their writings.
you’re a moron asserting something you don’t actually know as a fact. it’s actually the case that we know most about when his plays were performed and when because aristocrats wrote about him in their diaries. to everyone saying he was low brow, how the hell do you square that with his plays often first being performed at royal courts for aristocrats, like wilton house? he was popular with everyone, like all great artists ought to be. dante was the same. I think redditors in this weird self hating secular culture are just obsessed with some “gotcha” take that reverses the commonly held western belief. oh you think shakespeare was a genius, well (butchery of contorted half complete information to justify this take that you think makes you seem more interesting)
It’s all just cynicism, people will do anything to get their quip out. This whole thread is just people trying to decide which is more thrilling, that Shakespeare is common genius that exposes how stupid today’s people are, or that Shakespeare was actually lowbrow crap and we’re stupid again for thinking he’s not
the truth is that he was a one of a kind freak. for some mysterious reason, a mixture of genetics and environment and will, some people just get the right atoms colliding and shakespeare was one of them
I'll give you one example. The translators of the King James Bible were the most brilliant men in the world at that time. In their surviving correspondences and notes they quote from the church fathers and Greek philosophers like it's nothing. No Shakespeare. NONE of Shakespeare's contemporaries reference his plays as if they are works of literary genius. His plays had their popularity during his life but it wasn't until decades later that he became enshrined as a god the way he is now.
Shakespeare wasn’t good with other languages
>small Latin and less Greek
Why would you include him on a biblical translation council, especially when he’s old and borderline retired?
Are you stupid, why would the translators of any Bible reference a contemporary fiction writer?
>Many intellectuals of the time
Literally the most famous contemporary reference to him (in Groats-Worth of Wit) is accusing him of attempting to be to highbrow for a man from a modest background with no formal education. Not to mention the fact he had royal patronage for decades
Goethe and many other intellectuals just decades later decided he was a revelatory genius. This will not happen with today's low brow "art."
same as lucas and martin then. time will be kind to the OT.
and yet today anons are calling the OT for children and are praising breaking bed and sopranos
Playwrights who went to university back then were absolutely seething at Shakespeare's success. The midwits couldn't handle that all their intellectual posturing was for naught.
>Macbeth comes out
>"oh great more witchslop to pander to king james, why can we have more bear baiting kino?"
Othello comes out.
DROPPED!
They called him a plagiarist and they still do because he was.
I think a fancy aristocrat wrote his plays but had to hide because writing kino was illegal
No I’m not talking about ghost writers. I’m talking about ripping pre existing stories like Giulietta e Romeo by Luigi Da Porto.
it was Edward de Vere
I’m sure The Marvels will be, like Hamlet, appreciated as the piece of art it is in a couple of centuries.
>I’m sure The Marvels will be, like Hamlet, appreciated as the piece of art it is in a couple of centuries.
Hey, it worked for the prequels.
Shakespeare wasn’t considered “Low Brow” it was, at worst, considered “popular by the masses” but that was likely due to their quality and the fact they contained things that appealed to all social classes, and not because it was mass produced for the lowest common denominator.
As other anons have mentioned, no one’s rational is gonna be comparing the Marvel Cinematic Universe to Hamlet as equals.
But yeah there would definitely be contrarians even then who would have been sick of Shakespeare everywhere.
I'd say the modern equivalent of his works would be Nolan flicks.
Shakeshit
>mercutio gets his own spin off
I will now watch your play.
The bible is the first capeshit
I guess that's true for India.
shakeshit
People also thought the earth was flat
So not exactly a good argument there
his plays were performed at the Globe Theatre, moron
And men played the roles of women. Yes, we all watched Shakespeare In Love.
whoooooosh
well yeah its well known that people thought his stuff was for poor people
Why all the schizophrenia about Shakespeare? Dude wrote plays popular across all class levels, is considered a great writer. Why do you need to bargain all this shit
Shakespeare is from 1812...
No he isn’t
made you look
Capeshit is literally unoriginal low IQ trash. Shakespeare isn't and wasn't by old standards.
no they were drama. the modern day equivalents would be game of thrones and star wars. quotes that everybody knows.
>may the force be with you
>the night is dark and full of terrors
>to be or not to be