>people seek ultimate pleasure
>lol no here's pain
seriously what the frick did they mean by this? is thinly disguised fetish or is there something deeper I'm missing
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>people seek ultimate pleasure. >lol no here's pain
he's moronic
There is pleasure in pain. Your brain releases releases chemicals to counter attack it. Why people get addicted to piercings, tattoos, BDSM. Why people with mental disorders cut themselves or pull their hair out
>Your brain releases releases chemicals to counter attack it
literally opioid-like chemicals, in fact
If that was true why aren't people setting themselves on fire all the time?
It would be extremely painful
>If that was true why aren't people setting themselves on fire all the time?
What makes you think they aren't?
too few israeli embassies
There is a sweet spot
we don't allow that as we don't allow people walking naked on the street
You can only do things you can cover up and keep functioning on society
This is wrong. I've experienced levels of pain way above what almost everyone will experience and there is nothing pleasurable about it. You do not get use to the pain, you do not enjoy it, you can't even learn to fricking tolerate it.
And if you doubt this. I've had my sciatic nerve cut, while fully conscious without any medication at all. It felt like I got blasted with fricking lightning and could feel 20/10 pain in every single square millimetre of my leg.
I screamed like a mother fricker, every muscle in my body tensed up to the point of pain and my entire body jolted so hard I could have hit the fricking ceiling.
There aren't even words to describe just how bad pain like that feels.
And it's only maybe one of the top 5 pains I've experienced.
I don't get it at all personally but I've seen enough shit on the internet back in the day to convince me that some people do indeed get a kick out of inflicting massive pain upon themselves and sometimes will even pay for people to inflict it on them.
Maybe it's a type of undiagnosed brain disorder?
I understand your experience but people are wired differently. Some really enjoy deep pain, there some serial killer who got off by inserting needles on his penis, scrotum and anus. They about a hundred needles and nails from his body. He was fricked from day one, he said his first erection happened when he was beaten to a pulp by a dozen kids in an orphanage. Can't remember the name of the guy but yeah, maybe some frickers would relish the whole cenobite thing.
>People became Cenobites just from getting stabbed by the box
She don't say "I'm sorry for what I've done to you" only "I'm sorry for what I've have done", it implies some last minute regret for meddling with the dark forces.
What the name of the movie?
Hellraiser: Hellworld
>Hellraiser: Hellworld
>Starring Katheryn Winnick (hot), Henry Cavill (superhot) and Lance Herikissen (based)
>A group of young people are addicted to playing an online computer game called Hellworld which is based on the Hellraiser series. One of them, Adam, was so obsessed with the game that he ultimately committed suicide. At the funeral, the remaining five friends blame themselves for not having prevented Adam's suicide.
>Two years later, they attend a private Hellworld Party at an old mansion after receiving invites through the game.
>As the party progresses, Allison, Derrick and Mike find themselves trapped in separate parts of the house, and are gruesomely killed by the Host, Pinhead, and the Cenobite minions Chatterer and Bound.
>Chelsea discovers that the host is Adam's father, who blames his son's friends for not helping break his addiction. Chelsea and Jake try to flee, only to discover that they have been buried alive and are receiving messages from the host via cell phones in their respective caskets. The Host informs them that they are just coming out of a hallucination induced by a powerful psychedelic to which he exposed them upon their arrival, and that the events they have been experiencing have been the result of hypnotic suggestion and their own guilty consciences
>Later, the Host sits in a bedroom, going through a suitcase containing Adam's possessions. He finds and opens the actual Lament Configuration, which summons the real cenobites.
>Jake and Chelsea are shown driving into the sunrise, when they receive a mysterious phone call from the Host, who suddenly appears in the back seat. The two almost crash the car but are able to stop it, and the Host disappears. The last scene shows the police entering the bedroom in which the Host opened the box, the walls blood-smeared and the box lying on the floor.
And that was the last time Bradley played Pinhead.
I have unironically also had to stick needles in my dick in the past. It's kind of uncomfortable but honestly the idea of doing it is worse than the actual pain of doing it. I'd probably rate the pain like a 3 out of 10.
Getting a needle stuck into a major nerve? Now that shit fricking hurts. It's the only time the pain was so bad I had to hold someones hand. The pain was like a 9.5/10, but the real problem was it just felt like it lasted for fricking ever.
Despite all the pain I've been through, it hasn't actually made me cry yet.
To be fair though, I have been told my pain tolerance is moronicly high.
No tears please. It's a waste of good suffering.
That's because you're normal, relatively.
It's the slippery slope that once you get bored of certain pleasures you need to seek the next one, and the next one, and the next one until you get to an extreme level.
You could map out the progression of how someone gets into the most degenerate and immoral forms of pleasure and see how it only increases in magnitude each time because people got bored/numb to it.
Your case doesn't count and isn't applicable because you didn't seek it out specifically for the sake of it, there were reasons it needed to happen and not because of a personal want of the experience itself
Also Barkers a homo. Homos get fricked in the ass. That got to hurt. Having a wiener rammed up your shit box. There's no way that's actually pleasurable it's weird mentally ill homosexual cope. "Haha yeah wow this feels great" bro no it doesn't.
So homos associate pain/pleasure differently to a normal healthy human being.
>And it's only maybe one of the top 5 pains I've experienced.
Jesus I'm sorry anon. Hope things get better for you
Well, the pain I had while one of the pins in my lower back post surgery was directly touching the sciatic nerve was definitely Hellraiser tier.
The kind of which is so debilitating that you immediately freeze in the spot and close your eyes in agony.
It does actually feel like being blasted and you legit cannot even move.
The pain post surgery post bone sawing was more of the literally "writhing in pain" type however.
Oh, let's not forget about the mental pain from almost bleeding to death internally from one of the pins later perforating an artery, and the hallucinations that came with the 4 days of induced coma that definitely put Pinhead to shame.
It's why I often say people don't fricking want to get truly scared with horror or media, these types of experiences leave you scarred forever.
Horror scares are entertainment based.
well, after all that pain and surgery do you at least pass as a woman now? Only kidding. We know you don't.
Are you a masochist? Does your peenus weanus twitch when you get tortured?
The key here is whether you control the pain or not. I 100% guarantee you that if there was a button where as long as you hold it you could feel the pain that you felt people would push it.
their slick isn't that there is pleasure in pain but that pleasure cannot exist without pain and through intense suffering even a moment of no pain will feel like cumming through all your pores
The movies are overrated
They're absolutely not overrated.
It's pretty much universally agreed that 1 is great, 2 is just ok. 3 is bad shlock and EVERYTHING else is complete irredeemable garbage.
Hellraiser Goes To Space is gigakino and I'll hear no more of these plebian rantings.
Ok but that's like 20 minutes of a 90 minute movie
>2 is just ok
No. 2 is better than OK. Better than 1, anyway.
As movies they're overrated but the concept and the world is absolutely fantastic.
Despite the hate and lack of interest garnered by the last movie I really liked it, they put a lot of thought into expanding upon the lore, the rules of the boxes and the designs of the cenobites. The idea of magical puzzle boxes that can grant wishes, summon enitities and open portals to other dimensions including heaven and hell has unlimited possibilities and potential for amazing stories.
Unfortunately they were just used to summon Doug Bradley to play Pinhead over and over again to just kill people.
>get tortured for a bazllion gillion years
>experience relief for a moment
Muh ultimate
frick that actually makes sense. I remember a book where the mc postulates that free pleasure is the best pleasure so he runs around the city in hard leather boots and then puts his feet in warm water. Ok delete the thread now.
I heard this as a israelite joke somewhere. A israeli guy is complaining his shoes are a size too small and his feet hurt all day, someone asks why not buy new ones, he says because of the relief he feels when taking them off at night
That was based on gay BDSM clubs, that Clive eventually caught HIV from
skill issue
Barker got HIV from fricking his cousin who already had it. He then passed it on to his black husband, who later divorced and sued him for it:
https://www.tmz.com/2012/06/05/clive-barker-candyman-hellraiser-lawsuit-hiv-gay/
It's meant to be the realm of ultimate sensation and experience, not necessarily pleasure.
Which is why terminal coomers like Frank who were already bored with everything else reach for the Box.
This anon gets it. It's all about experience, no matter what it is.
The cenobites were people who over centuries lost their humanity. This is the only way it makes sense.
Hellraiser is a cautionary tale about jaded people who get too deep into weird shit they're either not ready for, or completely lose their humanity to it. Angels to some, aka, the jaded hypergooners and strung out addicts numb to everything the world has to offer and seek more. Demons to every sensible human. I think I know you from /hor/ unless you took that anon's image. Stop thinking so physically.
Over exposure of sexual Pleasure is a slippery slope into further degenerate forms of sexual Pleasure to achieve any sexual pleasure.
The lesson: Pleasure isn’t happiness.
Pleasure and happiness are related but mutually exclusive. Pleasure can give you happiness and happiness can give you pleasure. But pleasure is an extremely base experience, as opposed to happiness, which is more complex and elusive. Confusing the two is often the road to ruin. See: drunks, drug addicts, and fat people. Sexual pleasure is literally instinctual and difficult to resist, especially since it provides instant and extremely powerful biological pleasure. There's a reason why the world got more advanced as we became more sexually chaste and reinforced in society. It redirects that instinctual drive to other forms to derive pleasure from.
First film
>demons to some, angels to others
After
>actually we are just demons and we take people to hell
Why I have a love hate for the second one. On its own, it’s awesome. But as a sequel it undermines the first. I hate they made the cenobites human
Barker always had in mind the Cenobites being former humans, Doug Bradley knew Pinhead was once human when he was acting in the first film. Also, the second movie doesn't make them demons or their realm "hell" (Christian or otherwise), it keeps the otherworldy aspect. Part 3 onwards is when the series starts getting dumbed down to them being from "hell".
This is both inaccurate and a poor reading of the movie.
This is Barker's vision of the biblical Hell and it is both infinite and compartmentalised into specific regions. They refer to it as Hell on multiple occasions throughout the first two movies (the only movies that count).
>They refer to it as Hell on multiple occasions throughout the first two movies (the only movies that count).
What the human characters refer to it as is irrelevant, when Pinhead refers to their realm as "hell" he's just using a familiar earthly term that is palatable to Kirsty's understanding. You have a low social IQ. When aids rotted Barker's brain he devolved the Cenobite realm from being an alternate dimension to just being the Biblical Christian hell and the Cenobites being Biblical Christian demons.
>Everyone refers to it as Hell including the author but it isn't Hell because I said so, okay!
Man shut the frick up you tiresome, delusional dork.
That line never made sense anyways.
Angels to who exactly?
Maybe if you were part of a race of beings that has reversed pleasure/pain responses compared to humans.
Otherwise it's literally being tortured for eternity, physically and mentally.
Even if you were already in a very shitty situation, the cenobites would only make it worse, because it's not like normal torturers etc. can make you regrow nerve pathways and flesh so you experience it all over again.
Angels to people who are extreme masochists
I refuse to believe that is even a thing in real life.
How can you even hope to control or alter responses that are completely involuntary processes.
Unless you legit have some sort of brain/nerve damage I can't see anyone finding being burned alive pleasurable, your nervous system will just send you into a frenzy or panic and pain like it or not.
Masochism is also something often done in a very sexual setting as opposed to Pinhead jackhammering your ass with a spiked dildo for eternity while your optic nerve is hanging outside your skull
you can't blame them for doing their job too well.
they will mind frick you so much that they will actually get you to not be able to tell the difference between pleasure and pain, so if you think that what you are experiencing is pleasure, then they are angels.
Also, they only originally came to people who asked for them, and those people are often shitty people, so they come for the wicked, so in a way thats angelic.
In the original novella, Frank gets overwhelmed just by the memory of a grassy field. It's all experience, just magnified.
Nobody goes to hell. Are you taking Frank saying "I am in hell please help me" literally?
The implication is that the suffering they offer is something that some people are absolutely looking for rather than them being actual angels.
The process that they undergo to become cenobites alters them from regular denizens of hell into a fanatical priest class who worship pain and suffering. They can no longer be punished in Hell because they glorify pain and suffering.
fungus
We need sexier Cenobites
this cenobite unironically started a race war, you frickers would love her. The comics are SO FRICKING KINO and I wish they'd adapt them to the movie screen. They're rich with insane lore and are way more fun than what slop they currently churn out
Reminder the Salt Mines will forever hold the uncensored cut hostage.
>We're leaving.
They found the scenes but the producer went nuts and stole the tape.
Did anyone ever find the deleted sex scenes from this? Emily booth said she was in them with porn stars.
The idea is that the ultimate form of pleasure is a brief cessation of infinite, unending pain.
To be fair, as someone who suffers from chronic pain, in the rare moments where the pain is gone I legit feel the same as if drunk with opioids, giddy with glee.
Corny shit, new movies are way scarier
The movies are all shit only the book is good
its a statement that the pursuit of joy ultimately leads to suffering. that joy as an end in and of it self is ultimately empty and meaningless and ultimately becomes indistinguishable from pain, its all just empty sensation, and that one should pursue values and purpose instead. so basically what religions have been saying for thousands of years, thats why they are both astronaughts exploring sensations and also demons.
remember these movies existing in the general 90s ether but don't think I ever watched single one or am aware of their basic plot/concept
do they indeed raise hell at any point? and in the literal sense; not the rolling stones/sex pistols/etc are coming to your shitty little town' sense?
The movie is stupid.
The concept is stupid.
The people who made it are stupid.
The people who watch it are stupid.
This only exists because some evil israelite wanted to make gore porn because the israelite is an evil creature born of an evil man.
Never forget these people were left alone and decided the best thing to do is to offer up babies to a golden cow setting the babies on fire because Moses left them to go talk to God.
this is the only correct post in the thread.
Mostly women like these movies fyi. Horror movies are female shit
let's not forget moses was only gone for 40 days.
in a little more than a month, israelites decided frick it let's rape, murder, and sacrifice eachother.
i've gone 34 years without raping anyone. israelites couldn't last two months.
Based 70yr old with self control
ty little buddy
that's cause they were descendants of a literal inbred schizophrenic who heard voices tell him to murder his son
>is thinly disguised fetish
Yes.
>or is there something deeper I'm missing
The author being a literal homosexual and projecting the same mental illness that had later manifested as the troon scourge.
I mean, really, being baffled by the cenobites, when troons exist. Like, it is the current year.
Hellraiser is a cautionary tale lmao
New movie was shit
But it's the best depiction of homosexuality in media ever?
The cenobites and their entire culture really represent homosexuality and it's rampant hedonistic degeneracy. The average gay man has 500 sexual partners in their lifetime. It's just hedonism that the average person is repulsed at.
It's pretty based that an actual self aware gay made a film that presents the gay lifestyle as a sick, disgusting, degenerate awful repulsive thing like it is.
He knew firsthand the fricked up places some people went, Clive is a based gay
Nah it's Possession, with Sam Neil and Isabelle Adjani
>Possession
Are the events in the movie actually "real" or is it just the married couple acting like schizos with delusions
Haven't seen it boss I just know the movie
The whole movie is some political manifesto about the Berlin Wall and the minds/culture of german people at the time accordingly to the director. In other words, he did a live action hentai and disguised as artsy flick.
It's a movie anon. None of it's real.
It can be real in the context of the movie or just them hallucinating it all which I loathe in horror, which is why I'm asking, simple as.
What was its problem?
It wants more souls and also to be like God.
it existed before organic life and wants to get rid of organic life because it sees it like a threat. so it mind controls organic life to think of it like a god that will offer them enlightenment and preys on the weaknesses in organic lifes nature, such as its enslavemetn to pleasure and pain, it basically represents dukka.
Is this from the new flick?
yep
There were some male ones
Funny whow the Cenobites were diverse, th weeper is a black dude and the gasp a chink, Pinhead is a transwoman (great acting btw). Everyone who dies is white and the main girl is israeli. I want to get out of /misc/ but Pedowood always brings me back.
>post one male cenobite
Chatterer and Masque are male.
The writer is some ex-male prostitute degenerate who got HIV from an ex-bf. All his books are degenerate shit, Rawhead Rex is literally a monster wiener. He even give a golden shower to a priest.
You forgot The Light Tipper
>Don't you talk about me you son of a b***h!
White villain became the Leviathan. Gay white man survived.
>White villain became the Leviathan
I thought he became a new Cenobite? Since the Chatterer was killed they probably had a vacancy in their ranks.
Even hell has a shitty job market
People became Cenobites just from getting stabbed by the box (the lady that got stabbed in the hospital was Vought's assistant and she apologizes to the Cenobites hunting her for feeding them to the box, confirming you can become a Cenobite just by getting stabbed). Vought asked for power, if "power" just meant becoming a Cenobite then that's no reward because getting stabbed by the box would result in the same thing. So unless the movie is poorly written (and it is), Vought's reward was more than just becoming a Cenobite, it seems like he was merging with Leviathan like Channard did in 2.
lol I could come up with better names, in fact I will.
From top left to bottom right, Sorrow, The bound, carrier or embryo, Breathless, Scripture, chatterer needs no fixes
All your names suck
lol stay mad homosexual
takes one to know one
Yes, I could already infer from your name suggestions that you're not older than 16, you don't have to tell me right-out.
The Weeper looks stupid. The Asphyx is cool, though.
>yep
I'm still yet to watch it.
post one male cenobite
see
thats the whole lineup
I don't remember those two at all. They must have the ones that got killed off (what a shocker).
The one to the left of Chatterer makes it to the end, though he doesn't get a lot of screentime
nuChatterer and the one to his left on that pic.
plus
I found it odd that every single cenobite was female
also all the white men are bad guys
>also all the white men are bad guys
It's funny that even though Vought was supposed to be the villain he was the only likeable character because he was the only actor with charisma and screen presence amongst the mixed race charisma vacuums.
>It's funny that even though Vought was supposed to be the villain he was the only likeable character because he was the only actor with charisma and screen presence amongst the mixed race charisma vacuums.
If he acted less homosexual and got 40lbs of muscle he could be a great Bruce Wayne.
somehow *sigh* the emperor has returned.
Now that is what I call a disk read error.
I think there is a slight difference in hot chick being rough during sex and flying demonic chains tearing you apart.
Yeah, whole thing is moronic.
>I like femdom!
>Cenobytes: Oh, so you like getting split in half by meat hooks? Sure thing - here.
If they wanted to be realistic, the Cenobites would be giving everyone sex changes now
Cenobites BLUSH at what real Fleshcrafters can do.
BOGRAISER
"We call...you pick up...Yes?"
God how I hate Morrissey
>Why yes I would like to look like I am wearing my own face like a Halloween mask please and thank you.
Captcha: ARRG lmao
Did he wear his lips out from sucking so many wieners?
I didn't know that was a thing but this webm seems like pretty definitive proof.
some people are into really extreme shit
Someone that mentally ill legit deserves to be sodomized by cenobites for eternity
wtf did I just watch
A great premise and great overall movie with an insultingly generic finale.
thats how females fight
fookin prawns
This is very illegal.
What movie
Existenz.
>Existenz
Interesting, I never thought it would have such nice visuals which is why I've been postponing watching it for decades.
Will finally give it a try tonight then.
I just want to cuddle.
They were just demons killing mortals who dared to summon them. There was no deep lore or understanding.
You watched the movie and didn't read the book.
Imagine you are starving, on the brink of death in a way you cannot with your fat little tummy understand.
Now imagine I show up and give you some water, give you some peanutbutter.
Would in that moment that not be the most pleasurable experience in your entire life?
The book talks briefly about the moments in-between the torture.
About the years Frank spent in peaceful bliss hanging from a meat hook because the excesses of extreme dictate that relief must be given to experience an extreme.
>is thinly disguised fetish or is there something deeper I'm missing
This one, Clive Barker is an unapologetic BDSM loving gay hardcore drug using degenerate.
But in the actual movie it makes sense because the "Ultimate pleasure" he was seeking was at the tail end of hard drugs and sensory stuff that left Frank unable to feel anything so the new sensations were unironically pleasurable to him because they were better than nothing. In the next movies it's because they're in hell. Like actual hell. So of course they conflate pain with pleasure. They can't conceive of a more gentle pleasure because by this point they've been so destroyed down to their souls that pain is the only thing they have left.
Both are true.
>pinhead can just turn any random person around into a cenobite instantly
wat
You talking about Channard? That wasn't Pinhead, Leviathan hand picked Channard to become his right hand man.
Is that Jacobs Ladder?
>lol no here's pain
>picrel happens
Any instance in the books/comics/movies where the person who opens the box was actually ok with the pain? I've seen videos that are cenobite tier and people are really happy about it.
>be okay with the pain
>they give you pleasure instead
Frank arguably was into it, as was anyone who became a cenobite. The pursuit of the next high is destructive and leads you to unimaginable places. But remember, it's not strictly about BDSM and torture, it's about sensory experience of any kind.
>Hell is getting cucked
Profound.
I used to think there was a deeper meaning, but Hellraiser is definitely about BDSM degeneracy. I really enjoyed the bits of hell lore.
If the Cenobites wanted to sexually torture you? Just WHAT would they do Anon?
>If the Cenobites wanted to sexually torture you?
Infinity Loop of Liz Olsen joi videos, you can see but never touch
>if the Cenobites wanted to torture you, no sex
I'm already watched Dune part 1 and 2, there is not much further we can go.
i dont no sir
Too late. You opened the box. They gotta do SOMETHING
No hablo señor. No no, solo la basura. Garbage, si si.
>Pinhead actually falls for it and leaves
Could've sworn that was the guy who opened the box
brutal unending sex with Toy Chica.
>is thinly disguised
>fetish
no. not thinly at all. it's canonically a proper fetish franchise. the writer is a a butt pirate who was influenced by the decadent gay club scene of the 70s. the reason why the franchise aged poorly is that the karmic punishment for sex obsessed gays actually became true. it was HIV AIDS.
But they fixed that. It's not even a big deal anymore to have HIV or aids. So Hellraisier is BACK BABY!
Death is the true climax of perverted lust.
pinhead is autistic
they based the character off of Putin who also thinks he is helping people by mutilating and murdering them
They're demonic fanatics who view and take the act of torture to be a religious sacrament. I suppose you'd see it the same way after they'd been torturing you for long enough and you lost all understanding of pain and suffering.
It's definitely a BDSM scene thing in the same way the outfits in The Matrix are a BDSM scene thing.
Barkers older work was steeped in the degeneracy that Barker likely surrounded himself with at the time of writing, very homoerotic.
Why should he do what other people want?
>is thinly disguised fetish
I'm sure others have already said this but barker himself got the idea from going to BDSM clubs.
Is BDSM still a thing? You don't really see it in much media anymore. Did it lose its mystique
>that one movie that wasn't even a hellraiser script it was just some random teenage horror shlock that they had pinhead hastily written into it with a young Henry cavill where the twist is the entire film was just a (somehow) shared hallucination by teens who were buried underground
>that nonsense contract that required them to make a Hellraiser movie every 2 years or whatever not to lose the rights
I really don't get why Hellraiser had something like this but not Freddy or Jason
It's not thinly disguised.
Clive Barker is gay + wrote Hellraiser during AIDS era (1986)
There is no moon without the sun.
You want ultra mega moon, you need ultra mega sun.
Why does a cenobite need glasses
what part of ultra mega sun did you not understand?
There is no sun nor ultra mega sun in Leviathan's domain.
>The actress who's entire role was "prostitute who has naked sex" refused to have her bare breasts filmed on the day of shooting. Fricking dumb b***h.
They had such sights to show him.
>Finally tonight I will have enough cenobites to complete the cenobite ship and return to Cenobite Planet
>You're a madman, Wongburger! The cenobites will tear your soul apart.
Limit experiences motherfricker
some people feel pleasure from pain
you now understand the movie
fricking idiot
integer overflow.
pump so much pain that it overflows back into being pleasure.
the book has a few lines that explain it that the greatest possible pleasure is the feeling that comes from the momentary escape from unimagianable pain.
It's not wrong.
Anyone that's suffered from a lot of chronic pain can tell the moments you're without the pain it feels like heaven on earth.
You are basically blasted with natural opioids.
Yeah, the Hellbound Heart is a very good little novella and it should have been left at that. Everything that has been added to the narrative if by Barker, or in the later films, has been a disservice.
It's written by a gay guy who's into S&M
>And to think... I hesitated.
Name a better line in the whole series, I dare you.
But why did Dr. Cenobite keep his personality/memories?
Leviathan just let it pass since he was already a psycho anyways?
I think all of them kept their personalities but they've been alive for centuries, at least in Hell. The doctor was a ceno for like 2 minutes.
>In all worlds the ambitious and those who excel are rewarded.