Donner: Superman father dies of heart attack and nothing Clark can do, so he learns the lesson that he can't save everybody.
Synder:His father dies cuz he told his son no and he learns ????
Frick Synder.
Donner is also dumb, just in different places. Like the entire subplot with Clark giving up his power only to realize that, shockingly, without his power, he won't be able to stop crime anymore. Did he think all crime was going to stop or what?
It's almost like it's a story of a superhero giving up his powers for love and a normal life, in the hope that the world can go on without him, only to be forced back into action by the appearance of villains nobody else can stop, villains he didn't even know existed and couldn't have anticipated. It's a pretty timeless, basic superhero plot and isn't that hard to understand.
He gets pushed around by some thugs in the diner and it's presented as this big "whoa maybe giving up my powers wasn't such a good idea..." moment even though something like this would be one of the first things a person would think about before making such a decision. It's a story without nuance, where a character has to make a decision just because the plot says so, with little or vague justification.
I feel like you just can't grasp the plot that he's in love and wants a normal life with the woman he loves, and it being a decision he hadn't thought through properly is literally the plot.
A barebones plot like this would be acceptable for a 13-page Golden Age comic or a short radio play. But in a movie, I expect a bit more nuance in how the characters act. When a character acts like no real human being ever would, it's hard to suspend your disbelief.
>Donner: Superman father dies of heart attack and nothing Clark can do, so he learns the lesson that he can't save everybody.
Donner got that from Bronze Age Superman, I wanna say Maggin but that's strictly because I'm a Maggin fanboy and his take on Pa Kent's last moments was heart breaking.
You may sacrifice yourself saving someone, and this is a good thing to do. But that someone will still die later. That's just how life is. Why not acknowledge it?
Yeah, and then those two years kind of passed by without anything significant going on until the dog died. That's just how life is sometimes.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>It's so fricking bleak and dreary, why would you do that?
Because that's just how life is sometimes.
What kind of answer is that, this is not a movie about the randomness of life, most movies are not like that especially Snyder ones
2 years ago
Anonymous
It doesn't have to be about "randomness of life". It's just about life.
2 years ago
Anonymous
It's not about life, the guy was careful and wise but died saving an animal fricking up his son and wife life, even though he is a farmer who killed hundres if not thousands of animals, the scene is just stupid.
>You may sacrifice yourself saving someone, and this is a good thing to do
A human's life shouldn't be sacrificed over a fricking dog. Frick, unless your wife and son are complete sociopaths your death will hurt them more than the dog's.
Even if you don't give a shit over your own life at least think of how it will impact others.
I mean he's right though.
Of all the bullshit Pa did, I feel like risking his life so the family dog doesn't die horribly isn't one of the problems.
Why a dog tho? Why not die saving another person? It would make him look way more heroic to the audience.
That person would look like a real c**t just leaving Pa to die after saving his life.
Basically they needed to force a situation where Pa would have to die rather than just making a more reasonable situation.
>That person would look like a real c**t just leaving Pa to die after saving his life.
Save a little child, it would just make his sacrifice even more heroic.
Then a small child is capable of making the sprint to the overpass in a realistic amount of time. >Clark has to choose to save the child over Pa in a realistic amount of time
That could work better.
Never really understood the nitpicking on this scene. As illogical as it sounds, it never broke my suspension of disbelief. His death was in character, although it sounds hella dumb in a real world situation.
I reserve my gastric juices for BvS and "save Martha."
It's the same as "Man of Murder" when he kills Zod despite neither liking it ontop of it being a reasonable thing to do, it just doesn't feel like Superman. It's so fricking bleak and dreary, why would you do that?
But my real vitriol is for when he crucified Optimus Prime because the drunk Trucker was a dick.
Like you go through all this bullshit about how you can't have roots because you can't resist using them to help people. But then he just wastes a decent cover with people who seem to like him, just to get back at a guy who did nothing but make himself look like a total b***h.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>It's so fricking bleak and dreary, why would you do that?
Because that's just how life is sometimes.
2 years ago
Anonymous
It's Superman
2 years ago
Anonymous
>realistic
"realistically" Clark can run at Mach 1. He is entirely capable of grabbing his dad, then the kid, without the latter knowing any better.
You want to do the whole "Clark watches helplessly as his father's dies?" Put them in a hospital Jonathon going thorugh Open Heart Surgery (or something) after a Heart attack, with young Clark slowly losing it as he hears his Dad's heart slowly stop.
No spectacle. No big tornado. Jonathon Kent dies a small, quiet, heartbreaking death.
Never really understood the nitpicking on this scene. As illogical as it sounds, it never broke my suspension of disbelief. His death was in character, although it sounds hella dumb in a real world situation.
I reserve my gastric juices for BvS and "save Martha."
>the Snyder experience is all about how bleak and dreary life is and how random suffering is and how ultimately your life is worth less than a dog's
Remind me why his daughter killed herself again?
Because it’s epic win
Please elaborate.
>Snyder cultists
>people
Nah it was pretty bad, but the "stop invincible son" memes seem to miss the point as to why it's actually dumb.
Sometimes being a hero means making tough decisions.
Like letting your dad die when you could have saved him and easily have kept your secret identity because it was during a natural disaster?
Donner: Superman father dies of heart attack and nothing Clark can do, so he learns the lesson that he can't save everybody.
Synder:His father dies cuz he told his son no and he learns ????
Frick Synder.
Donner is also dumb, just in different places. Like the entire subplot with Clark giving up his power only to realize that, shockingly, without his power, he won't be able to stop crime anymore. Did he think all crime was going to stop or what?
It's almost like it's a story of a superhero giving up his powers for love and a normal life, in the hope that the world can go on without him, only to be forced back into action by the appearance of villains nobody else can stop, villains he didn't even know existed and couldn't have anticipated. It's a pretty timeless, basic superhero plot and isn't that hard to understand.
He gets pushed around by some thugs in the diner and it's presented as this big "whoa maybe giving up my powers wasn't such a good idea..." moment even though something like this would be one of the first things a person would think about before making such a decision. It's a story without nuance, where a character has to make a decision just because the plot says so, with little or vague justification.
I feel like you just can't grasp the plot that he's in love and wants a normal life with the woman he loves, and it being a decision he hadn't thought through properly is literally the plot.
A barebones plot like this would be acceptable for a 13-page Golden Age comic or a short radio play. But in a movie, I expect a bit more nuance in how the characters act. When a character acts like no real human being ever would, it's hard to suspend your disbelief.
Donner also had Clark spend his entire adult life being brainwashed into being Superman.
>Donner: Superman father dies of heart attack and nothing Clark can do, so he learns the lesson that he can't save everybody.
Donner got that from Bronze Age Superman, I wanna say Maggin but that's strictly because I'm a Maggin fanboy and his take on Pa Kent's last moments was heart breaking.
Any link or story time?
Cease my unstoppable kin
Man of Steel was the best movie of 2013 and one of the better cape flicks ever made.
still not as bad as when he killed jimmy olsen within 5 minutes after introducing him for whatever edgelord reason
>die to save a dog
>few minutes later it was shown the dog died a couple of years after and was replaced by a new dog
wtf
>nooo how dare they show the natural passage of time!!! my heckin doggerino will live forever!!!
Frick, what a way to miss such a simple point.
You may sacrifice yourself saving someone, and this is a good thing to do. But that someone will still die later. That's just how life is. Why not acknowledge it?
He died for an old dog that died 2 years later and didn't even look back while leaving his wife and son who had to watch him die in front of them.
Yeah, and then those two years kind of passed by without anything significant going on until the dog died. That's just how life is sometimes.
What kind of answer is that, this is not a movie about the randomness of life, most movies are not like that especially Snyder ones
It doesn't have to be about "randomness of life". It's just about life.
It's not about life, the guy was careful and wise but died saving an animal fricking up his son and wife life, even though he is a farmer who killed hundres if not thousands of animals, the scene is just stupid.
>You may sacrifice yourself saving someone, and this is a good thing to do
A human's life shouldn't be sacrificed over a fricking dog. Frick, unless your wife and son are complete sociopaths your death will hurt them more than the dog's.
Even if you don't give a shit over your own life at least think of how it will impact others.
I mean he's right though.
Of all the bullshit Pa did, I feel like risking his life so the family dog doesn't die horribly isn't one of the problems.
That person would look like a real c**t just leaving Pa to die after saving his life.
Basically they needed to force a situation where Pa would have to die rather than just making a more reasonable situation.
>That person would look like a real c**t just leaving Pa to die after saving his life.
Save a little child, it would just make his sacrifice even more heroic.
Then a small child is capable of making the sprint to the overpass in a realistic amount of time.
>Clark has to choose to save the child over Pa in a realistic amount of time
That could work better.
It's the same as "Man of Murder" when he kills Zod despite neither liking it ontop of it being a reasonable thing to do, it just doesn't feel like Superman. It's so fricking bleak and dreary, why would you do that?
But my real vitriol is for when he crucified Optimus Prime because the drunk Trucker was a dick.
Like you go through all this bullshit about how you can't have roots because you can't resist using them to help people. But then he just wastes a decent cover with people who seem to like him, just to get back at a guy who did nothing but make himself look like a total b***h.
>It's so fricking bleak and dreary, why would you do that?
Because that's just how life is sometimes.
It's Superman
>realistic
"realistically" Clark can run at Mach 1. He is entirely capable of grabbing his dad, then the kid, without the latter knowing any better.
You want to do the whole "Clark watches helplessly as his father's dies?" Put them in a hospital Jonathon going thorugh Open Heart Surgery (or something) after a Heart attack, with young Clark slowly losing it as he hears his Dad's heart slowly stop.
No spectacle. No big tornado. Jonathon Kent dies a small, quiet, heartbreaking death.
lol Snydergays are rabid
Someone slap a muzzle on this one
It's teaching Clark to be willing to sacrifice himself in service of lesser beings.
Or something else moronic like that I'm sure.
Why a dog tho? Why not die saving another person? It would make him look way more heroic to the audience.
The classic
Never really understood the nitpicking on this scene. As illogical as it sounds, it never broke my suspension of disbelief. His death was in character, although it sounds hella dumb in a real world situation.
I reserve my gastric juices for BvS and "save Martha."
Supposedly
I, for one, defend it ironically to piss off morons like you.
>I know this scene is bad
>But I'm calling you a moron for saying this scene is bad
???
>I'm not a moron, I just act like a moron to engage other morons
That only makes you a moron in a different fashion.
>the Snyder experience is all about how bleak and dreary life is and how random suffering is and how ultimately your life is worth less than a dog's
Remind me why his daughter killed herself again?
Snyder memes are the best capeshit memes