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Why does she hate Asians bros?
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That whole ending sequence was my favorite ending in a modern movie. I couldn’t believe how low she was going.
oh... not interested then, a woman being a lesbian orchestra director and famous shympny water is fucking stupid plot for a drama. The role was obviously written for a man but nobody would have fund it.
The writer wrote the part specifically for Blanchett, it's pretty good, got some black swan vibes
nah, Blanchett was really good in it and if the director had cast a male you gays would have screamed about le poz mobie about based white man being cancelled and portrayed as a secret evil pervert
He simply got a woman to play a male role because there's no real-life female parallel to the character, and his trying to portray her as a superduper conductor/composer is cringe
I don't think it's about that but yeah, she doesn't complain though. I liked her character even though I was hesitant at the movie being another woke project. I also liked her calling zoomers robots. I think the movie is about how cancel culture destroys genius. It doesn't really matter whether she's a groomer since the director doesn't even bother clarifying this. But you can see how much screentime is devoted to showing her process and dismantling her relationships.
I didn't think "cancel culture" was actually an important part of it, it was just one more thing that exacerbated her downfall, which was all rooted in her being a sociopathic cunt.
The scene where she shuts down the zoomer actually felt inconsequential, other than showing how she's so enamored with music that she can't comprehend viewing it through a culture war lens. I wonder if it was intentionally leaked to make people think the movie was more political than it was, hence all the people still getting filtered and saying "WTF this is just a slow drama, I wanted 2 hours of owning the libs!"
Yes but we only see her being the sociopathic cunt once and that's stonewalling Krista Taylor. And it's left vague as to what her motivations are. We only see Francesca with a perpetually sad face. Almost like she serves as a slave rather than an employee who can just leave. There's just not enough information to conclude that she's a psycho. She's just obsessed with her work. Any attempt at accusing is left with demands for evidence. The director is teasing us with this. First with her firing Sebastian, then with Francesca, then with that new Russian girl. Her motivations are never anything other than playing politics at work. That's why the final tease scene has her vomit when the masseuse asks her to choose a number. The director just doesn't want to tell us whether she's a groomer. Byvtgr definitely wants to show us the consequences of cancel culture. First you see it with the neighbours, then with the donors, then her partner and finally her colleagues
That was the most obvious example but I felt like it was pretty consistent. I do agree that her motivations for passing up Francesca- was it because she knew she didn't delete the emails, or because she wanted tongue from the Russian girl, or because the Russian girl was actually a great player? But throughout the movie her Machiavellianism goes beyond normal office politics, and I think the reason the attempted cancelling (which her PR team was willing to bury until the emails came out) was enough to ignite the powder keg.
Semi-unrelated but someone pointed out that she vomited when seeing #5 (who the camera emphasizes) because she was sitting in the same position as the Russian was in the orchestra. Cool touch if true.
>vomited when seeing #5 (who the camera emphasizes) because she was sitting in the same position as the Russian was in the orchestra
But you can see all of them kneeling? There's also the scene with the dog that I didn't understand. Is she running away from poverty?
The movie also starts with a woman chatting on the phone is this Francesca, then we see the Russian also constantly chatting?
Number 5 kind of looks like francesca
You both are gays. Every women around her wanted to fuck her. That Cello zoomer bitch was eye fucking her, kissing her hand. She fired some boomer? Who cares? Yeah genius can fuck up sometimes but that's alright. Tar's sexual energy gave her edge.
You moralistic cunts should shut the fuck up. It is due to goblins like you genius can't exist now a days.
There's no sexual tension between her and the donor, or her and her mentor. There's just no way to know. Plus that Russian had that same look in the YouTube video. Plus she cockblocks her in the hotel in New York.
I am talking about women around Tar. They were all eye fucking her. It is subtle but it is there. Tar's libido was high AF so she kept translating that into art to keep her life in balance.
Russian bitch was at least bi if not a lesbo. And it's not like Tar raped her or anything like that. Just gave her few favors and that's it. And now she is a sociopath for that? Touch grass.
This is not implied anywhere anon. Even Francesca seems more afraid of her than she does look horny around her. The partner also looks perpetually sick or tired. The sexual energy only gets introduced after the Russian. Plus it's the Russian who first initiates contact. Maybe it's the director poor work but it's never a really strong case, there are just conjectures with no evidence. The video released on twitter even makes it more ambiguous when it references that she's interested in men too, a gay man for that matter. The director is purposefully trying to make this vague while he makes her downfall very deliberate even though he doesn't tell you whether her cancellation has any merit. You just see her relationships crumbling without any opportunity for her to explain herself.
>Even Francesca seems more afraid of her than she does look horny around her.
She looks fucked because Tar isn't fucking her that's why she try to vaginablock Tar when Russian bitch contacts her.
>The partner also looks perpetually sick or tired.
Low libido, musty old pussy can't match the libido of Tar
>he doesn't tell you whether her cancellation has any merit.
Lmaoooo, canceling for what really? Because some dumb adult bitch killed herself because Tar lost interest in her pussy?
>You just see her relationships crumbling without any opportunity for her to explain herself.
Too intelligent for normalfag bullshit, next
The ending was definitely about that. All of her fucked up behavior was laid bare in front of her until the realization of how she behaved was so strong that she threw up on the street. She goes into the massage parlor and sees the girls arranged like an orchestra around her, just waiting to be selected and abused.
That's Schadenfreude. While pretending to denounce it, Tár maliciously packages a woke plot in a way that leads some people to believe the ending was "deserved".
It's also incongruous because no conductor in her supposed level (btw there has never been a woman conductor like that irl) would have to do Monster Hunter concerts. S/he'd get a less ritzy but still top job in Asian or Russia, including teaching at a good academy and leading a midlevel orchestra.
Tár is the type of bad movie that obfuscates and misleads a certain unguarded audience.
Kek, stop shilling this pseud bullshit here
>thinking Schadenfreude is some type of obscure concept
If you're that stupid-- and you do sound stupid-- you should for starters not assume that everyone else is as retarded as you. Educate yourself dimwit
Not at all, don't give yourself too much credit gay pseud
Took you a while and you also have nothing to add I see
That's the point isn't it. Cancel culture destroys her. It's not a woke plot as much as its trying to mock cancel culture. In fact she gets off better than people like Weinstein or Cosby, she still has a job even though she's not in jail. The first fucking scene with the bipoc woke black sets the movie up for this. I don't understand why you retards keep sticking to this woke movies agenda when the movies is trying to show you how it destroys the career of this character.
>That's the point isn't it.
It is certainly the movie's point, but it is disingenuously presented. Instead of getting a nuanced situation, it leads some viewers into "accepting" Tár's fate and subconsciously relishing her fate bc "she deserved it". In a convoluted way, the movie normalizes cancel culture despite that awkward scene with the extremist bipoc classical music student who "dislikes" Bach (kek)
But we don't know if she deserved it. It's very clear how the director spends a lot of time showing her relationships. I think almost two hours, while the remaining time is spent dismantling them with no explanation or chance to defend herself. Everytime she tries to defend herself, she's dismissed. The movie doesn't normalize it, it mocks it. It mocks her being punished by calling zoomers robots. A lesbian who is now interested in bipoc men. It mocks her fall. She's even afraid of swimming with the Asian kids because the effects of interacting with young people have finally gotten to her. It's mocks the culture that doesn't even allow you a chance to defend yourself.
>But we don't know if she deserved it.
There are 2 levels to this, both of which the movie overlooks:
1-did she do anything truly inappropriate in a way to warrant all that fuss? There's a scene where she berates her violinist lover for implying their relation was "transactional"-- thereby hinting that the other ones (former students, assistant) were, that is: they knew perfectly well what they were going for.
The barrage of half-truths/lies (edited class vids, accusations of "causing" Krista's suicide) are, at best, a timid way to start broaching the subject in cinema, but it's too little, and it's overshadowed by the way Tár is shown-- too talented, too haughty, too rich, too dismissive when countering the accusations and therefore "deserving" of punishment-- the movie ultimately appeals to the resentment of the mediocre and slave morality even if it glimpses at other levels and aspects.
2-was her downfall deserved? In the ludicrous, almost parodic New Yorker interview scene Tár is described as, were she real, the greatest conductor of all time considering all orchestras she's supposed to have conducted, accolades received and other unbelievable, unrealistic feats.
Short of beheading a busload of nuns, such a person would NEVER end up conducting Monster Hunter scores for a bunch of cosplayers. She'd (SHE, a LESBIAN also being noticeable factors) end up playing the minor leagues but not in the way the movie shows. As I mentioned above, Asian and Russian orchestras would welcome her with open arms.
Ultimately, the way Tár "denounces" cancel culture is insufficient and weaselly.
About the Asian kids, that's an interesting interpretation, though it could be just her retracting into herself.
Maybe she doesn't like Russia. She's mentioned Asia liking her. Or maybe it's the director using exaggeration as a plot device if we agree that barring the irrelevance of her inappropriateness, her perceived reaction —hooking up with the Russian in New york, warrants some form of punishment. And as comical as it is, it echos the fall of modern society.
>Maybe she doesn't like Russia.
That would be too much of a stretch narratively- it essentially amounts to giving the screenplay an "excuse"
> maybe it's the director using exaggeration
Certainly is, which is in line with his entirely unbelievable description of Tár, which is cringe if we step out of the movie's reality into reality (which the scripts invites you to do, as it tells several true classical music anecdotes and talks about real people).
> it echos the fall of modern society.
That it does, but not just as criticism but also as a symptom of such a fall. Tár itself signals a certain hypocrisy going on, and ironically that spills into real life in another sense: the way Blanchett's overacting was met with cloying, excessive applause.
>Blanchett's overacting was met with cloying, excessive applause.
She was aloof and dismissive most of the time. And agreeable to some degree with her donor, mentor, partner, daughter and assistant the rest of the time. Maybe if you meant her conducting expressions which are an insignificant part of the movie. I think you'd be right if she had won an Oscar.
The irony is that the supporting female cast is superb and much better than her: instead of posturing, ticks and occasionally stilted diction/excessive gestures, they come across as very naturalistic, emotionally nuanced and believable, from her lover to the assistant to the cellist who gets sidelined by the Russian girl (a real life cello player doing absolutely great in her first ever acting job btw)
>how low she was going.
Isn't this kinda racist?
They made it look like living in Thailand is the worst hell there is on earth
Seethe Beethoven circlejerker.
Anon came back home.
Can someone explain why her job at the end is comical. I get that it's a downgrade but why is it funny.
The character was the Berlin Phil conductor- THE foremost condutor job in the world, and ended up playing the live soundtrack of a videogame on what looks like a fan convention in a non-descript venue in Asia
Contextually, it was obviously about the number 5
The vomiting the follows was one of bad screenwriting mistakes in the movie
What would she have done then
Good acting technique/good directing/good screenwriting would have her walk out, stop for a while and let the viewer do the math, Kuleshov effect style
What are ye tryna say?
If you're stumped you have a long way to go, starting with:
-you do understand why the character overreacted, right?
-you do know what the Kuleshov effect is?
If you don't, fully acknowledge that, google the info you need and go from there.
>We don't know why she's vomiting.
Ofc we do. Though not explicitly stated, the math is linear for those who take into account a previou scene. It wasn't merely because she wanted a massage and found herself in a Southeast Asia dubious parlour (by all accounts a brothel).
Tár isn't a good movie but it does feature a few threads and details that reward attention.
Yes she might be in a brothel but that doesn't elicit nausea. That's just part on the cancel culture the director is trying to portray. The parlour knows who she is and what she wants because of social media. We still don't know why she vomits because there's no precedence of her level of disgust set prior. In fact, she's a cold woman who barely shows her emotions. I admit this might be poor work by the director. We are supposed to have some prior scene gauging her base level of disgust but we get nothing with this scene. It's the final cancel scene which that shows that even in Asia she can't escape cancel cultures scrutiny, but is that supposed to make her vomit??
>Yes she might be in a brothel but that doesn't elicit nausea.
Not necessarily, and even if it did, it was too on the nose. It wasn't just because of the prostitution setting, but how it bitterly echoed Tár's previous lifestyle (picking up and discarding people according to the power she had) and very specifically the number 5.
>The parlour knows who she is and what she wants because of social media.
I didn't get that impression. In fact, the girl at the desk is absolutely robotic and impersonally polite, as if Tár was just another costumer.
>We still don't know why she vomits
We can safely assume WHY that situation impacted and in a sense dismantled her. But the vomiting bit was bad moviemaking because the same implication could have been accomplished with a lot less. Tears, vomit, screams are cliches, they're to be used very very rarely if at all
>It wasn't just because of the prostitution setting, but how it bitterly echoed Tár's previous lifestyle (picking up and discarding people according to the power she had) and very specifically the number 5.
But why number 5?
Mahler's 5th Symphony score stolen from her apartment in a previous scene
Vomit was uncalled for to drive the point home. We got it: the situation brought up uncomfortable parallels yadda yadda. It would have sufficed going for something less obvious
It might have been even better if someone else vomited instead after she chose number 5. I think that would have echoed your explanation about picking up and discarding. Maybe a cut to her partner vomiting or the Russian muse? The more I think about it though the more I disagree. Vomiting isn't synonymous to discarding since vomit is food that has been rejected without being used. I'm leaning towards bad moviemaking but I'll hold my breathe for a better explanation. Maybe it has to do with the poorly explained number 5 reference?
That's the thing. We don't know why she's vomiting. This technique would apply if we knew and that's the point of the thread. Is she disgusted because she isn't a philanderer, or because she doesn't like Asians or even because number five reminds her of a nasty encounter? The bad part of directing this scene is the vagueness rather than the intended message.
this will help you understand why white women have an ingrained hatred for asian women
I did love that all the effort she put into getting close to the Russian Cellist and she was having none of her. She outplayed Tar without even trying
Except that you can argue that tar used her as a spark of that dire inspiration she was desperately searching for. Any implied sexual tension is misdirection by the director. It's the Russian woman who initiates the touch and invitations, tar just makes her lead in the music.
It's a very believable scenario too. The young muse who captivates the older artist but either manipulates and/or remains aloof by playing the ingenue (which the character certainly isn't as Tár discovers when she sees her all dolled-out entering the elevator).
In this particular story there's a specific nuance (and also not entirely unbelievable though rarer) in that the character really is a talented, energetic cellist.
One thing MANY people don't understand is that many women immediately sense when you're attracted/captivated by them even if they pretend not to notice.
Also why she run away in the dilapidated building and get her face almost split into two? I never knew Germany was this run down.
Yet another contrived plot device. There probably are some spray-painted, "rebel youth" areas in Berlin but ofc not on that level