Please post movies that celebrate the TRUE spirit of Christmas. Thank you and God Bless.
Please post movies that celebrate the TRUE spirit of Christmas. Thank you and God Bless.
Please post movies that celebrate the TRUE spirit of Christmas. Thank you and God Bless.
180° rule you fricking clown
>180° rule
you fricking clown
Based!
CHRIST IS KING!
Merry Christmas frens!
Merry Christmas, anon
even Christ forgives frogposters
frog website.
>nature's troony is this website's mascot
really makes you think
Every israelite belongs on a cross
Frick off israelite worshipper
hi rabbi
Shalom!
Every person on this site who has said Christ is King turned out to be a groyper and a closeted homosexual.
I hope you aren't, anon. Otherwise have a good Christmas fren.
when did that happen?
look up what santa means. the two concepts are linked
You know how hard it is to sacrifice a reindeer? Frickers kick hard.
He's making a silly word joke regarding Santa Claus and Santaria.
Christmas is the Roman celebration of the end of Saturnalia, which is why we give gifts. We're celebrating the end of a successful harvest, not your israelite prophet. Christgays as usual BTFO.
>harvests in the middle of winter
Lmao at morons failing to remember the youtube they watched. Any christmas analogue is about not having to work and having food stored up so you just eat and drink. And unless you’re sacrificing a bull, switching places with your master or slaves etc, you aren’t practicing saturnalia.
The saturnalia celebration always lasted for a few days in december but it was never celebrated on december 25th
reminder that the only people who hate christ are israelites
Merry Christmas!
Merry Christmas!
Merry Christmas
hi israelite
AGNUS DEI
>I had to die to forgive your sins
>the sins I created and allowed to happen
>I had to die for them because...something...
>I can't understand an omnipotent being's motivations what the frick
>your supposed to worship the incomprehensible omnipotent being who appears to create problems for you to suffer with for no reason
um
>n-nooo God has to make my entire life about pleasure and he has to give me everything I want and not make me follow any rules!!!
Okay, Eve. Stupid b***h.
You realise Eve is a Saint Anon? Show some respect.
>can't grasp simple joke
>everything must be literal and argumentative
Come on, bro.
>Cinemaphile christcuck accidentally blasphemes
Lmao, enjoy Hell homosexual.
Christcuck fail
you're arguing against yourself here
all counterarguments point to the biblical god either being a bully or non omnipotent
I always thought the Christian concept of God makes a LOT more sense if you assume he and Satan are two equally powerful beings fighting for the souls of the living, but somewhere along the line someone religious in power got buttmad at the notion of God not being the most bestest super strongerest being of all time, so they changed the scripture to label him omnipotent, which makes the entire existence of evil really clash with the concept of a righteous and morally good God.
It makes even more sense when you realize God and Satan are the same being. It's two different sides of the same entity.
So what, he's a schizo? Double personality or something?
nicest guy you'd ever meet
twisted fricking psychopath
The concept of god itself doesn’t make sense without omnipotence. I don’t know why people can’t spend 5 minutes to read the stanford encyclopaedia of philosophy on theism, or even plato or whatever. A big g god is meant to be the somethingness instead of nothingness all reality is contingent on. It defacto has to be omnipotent because it is one unified fundamental substance anything created is parasitic on for its existence. A dualistic deity just brings up the same question of contingency and infinite regression that spawned monotheism in the first place
actually the universe existed forever
nothing created it
>b-but that's illogical!
it's a mystery 🙂
steady state copers already got btfo. epic special pleading though
>I don’t know why people can’t spend 5 minutes to read the stanford encyclopaedia of philosophy on theism
Because I find the entire concept of an omnipotent all creating being nobody can conjure a single scrap of evidence for really silly and absurd, and it clashes with so many natural facets of life that it raises infinite questions that otherwise don't exist if you don't assume it exists, and the only time I ever even THINK about it is arguing with other morons on this site out of boredom sometimes. I'm not interested in theology enough to bother doing research on something that sounds goofy and nobody seems to be able to prove ever anyway.
>I’m a moron who can’t into philosophy
>I think asserting that a series of contingent things suddenly isn’t contingent when I name it “the universe”
>I think it is not absurd to posit that nothingness generated all matter and energy for no reason
I can see why you get bored being dabbed on all the time though
causation is a faculty of the human mind and doesn't necessarily represent the universe in itself
Oh look the moron who was all about empiricism a second ago is now asserting that sense data cannot be trusted, kek
You are using too many big words I don't recognize for me to continue arguing with you, which I suspect is your strategy - be incomprehensible and claim victory through superior intelligence, instead of addressing how ridiculous the belief system you are asserting is.
Let me pose a problem to you: a few days ago, I ran over a tiny snake in the middle of the road. I didn't see it in time and caught it a bit behind it's head. It's body was crushed but it was still twitching, so to put it out of it's misery a grabbed a large rock from a driveway nearby and crushed its head until I was sure its brain was totally mashed and it wasn't suffering anymore. If God exists, and is a morally righteous being, why did he allow an innocent creature capable of experiencing pain and suffering to die like this? It wasn't by human choice or agency, I didn't see the snake in time and wouldn't have ran it over if I could've avoided it, it was out of my hands. How can I look at a being who could've stopped this and call him good when he did nothing?
god was on his lunch break
What big word did I use there? Is contingent the one you’re having an issue with? It means not self justifying.
>let me just ignore any sort of logical argument and go straight for a subjective emotivist anecdote
What would you have preferred happen? That your car magically stop or the snake be teleported? We live in a world of actions and logical consequences, reality would not be coherent otherwise. If you want to be a robot who has his autonomy stripped away every time he’s about to make a mistake, I don’t know what to say. The freedom of life is clearly too much for you to deal with
It was contingent, and I don't know what self justifying means.
>subjective emotivist anecdote
You are doing it again.
>That your car magically stop or the snake be teleported?
Of course, it would save the snake from suffering.
>We live in a world of actions and logical consequences
Established by God.
>reality would not be coherent otherwise
Why wouldn't it be coherent otherwise? Why is coherency of reality more important to God than the suffering of the innocent?
>If you want to be a robot who has his autonomy stripped away every time he’s about to make a mistake, I don’t know what to say.
If the mistake results in a snake that wasn't doing anything wrong dying, yes, that should be stripped away. Why in the world would you value the option to make things worse? Why is SUFFERING something that MUST exist in this reality God has made if he didn't want it to be so?
I didn't say bye, you said that. You can argue with someone without breaking out the thesaurus.
>muh logic and reason
>oof a logical argument, I am too poorly read to engage with that, bye
>why did he allow an innocent creature capable of experiencing pain and suffering to die like this?
1. It's a snake and not a person.
2. Pleasure and joy can't exist without pain and suffering to define it.
3. The state of the world in general is a result of the Fall of Man. You had that car to smash it with because of the Fall of Man. It was on a road instead of the brush because of the Fall of Man. You weren't paying attention because of the Fall of Man, etc., etc.
This is all basic shit you could have answered yourself if you had any actual interest in doing so, by the way. I know you think you're clever for asking questions that were answered thousands of years ago, but basically you're just fricking stupid and looking for smug gotchas against random people on Cinemaphile.
God created the first humans knowing they would turn against him
then he punished them
God must be afflicted with some kind of insanity to produce this cognitive dissonance
Mankind was created with the potential to bring themselves closer to God but curse themselves with self-awareness and the understanding of morality in exchange. Being greater than an animal means we have greater responsibility. I think the problem is that you haven't learned to actually think about anything beyond the surface level of the stories you've been told.
>mankind was created with...
>mankind was cursed in exchange
That isn't an exchange! That's just god attributing certain qualities to his creation!
Clearly the Adam and Eve story is not literal. It is an explanation for Man’s separation from other animals and ability to understand that what he does is wrong. Sin is not sin if you arent aware that you’re doing anything wrong. Its essentially an origin story for the ability to cognate wrong doing, as well as the prideful notion of man’s want to be on God’s level.
Why does wrong exist? Why does God allow it to exist?
If good exists then logically there must be a not-good. Otherwise you wouldn't be able to recognize 'good' as a concept. It would just be.
god defines what good is because he shapes reality
so you have to admit that the world we live in contains the highest good that could be conceived by god?
You still think of God as a comic book character sitting on a throne in the clouds issuing out orders and punishments. Please graduate high school before posting again.
>And? You get run over, it's going to hurt, same thing happened with the snake
Snakes are animals, not people. If you want to talk about people, talk about people. But we both know you don't want to talk about anything which is why you made sure to insert some seething quip like you're aiming for reddit gold.
>Of course it can, you can experience and enjoy things without suffering.
No, you can not. If suffering doesn't exist as a concept then there is no defining factor for pleasure. Opposites exist because they define each other.
>I never needed to experience dental pain to enjoy eating a delicious meal.
You needed to eat a shitty meal to understand what a delicious meal is. If every meal was delicious then they wouldn't be delicious, they would just be.
>Ok, but why does God allow this?
You also have the same problem of thinking of God as a man on a cloud throne issuing commands. Mankind has free will. Mankind makes its own choices and those choices influence the world around them, such as inventing cars and roads that destroy the environment and those poor innocent snakes. Instead of accepting your role in this, you just want to blame God for not birthing you into paradise from the start. You don't understand what it means to strive for greatness and you don't want to. You're angry you weren't born a god.
>Snakes are animals, not people. If you want to talk about people, talk about people. But we both know you don't want to talk about anything which is why you made sure to insert some seething quip like you're aiming for reddit gold.
What difference does it make if it was a snake or a person? What seething quip?
>If suffering doesn't exist as a concept then there is no defining factor for pleasure. Opposites exist because they define each other.
So your telling me that if the nerve endings in my dick didn't shriek in agony when I rub it against a cheesegrater, they couldn't feel pleasure when I jerk off? Why did God make it that way?
>You also have the same problem of thinking of God as a man on a cloud throne issuing commands. Mankind has free will. Mankind makes its own choices and those choices influence the world around them, such as inventing cars and roads that destroy the environment and those poor innocent snakes. Instead of accepting your role in this, you just want to blame God for not birthing you into paradise from the start. You don't understand what it means to strive for greatness and you don't want to. You're angry you weren't born a god.
Ok, then what is he? Why would I not be angry I am not born a God? Why would I strive for greatness when God could simply have made me great? Why the test? Why did he give me a role at all? Where was my free will in the snake situation? Am I responsible for the whole sum of human actions that lead to the existence of the car?
>What difference does it make if it was a snake or a person?
Well, snakes are animals. Animals are not people, animals don't have the same capacity for thought that humans do, and they don't have souls. It's certainly wrong to cause needless suffering to animals, but it's absolutely not equivalent to human suffering.
>What seething quip?
This one:
>or do you mean the disgusting, evil piece of shit you seem to worship doesn't care about the suffering of nonhumans?
>So your telling me that if the nerve endings in my dick didn't shriek in agony when I rub it against a cheesegrater, they couldn't feel pleasure when I jerk off?
At this point you're just being obtuse on purpose. I'm sure you're not too stupid to understand the idea that a concept is defined by comparison to its opposite. That's what definition means. If there is a 'you' there must be a 'not you'. If there is 'pleasure' there must be a 'not pleasure'. This is pretty simple to grasp. Why did God make it that way? If things were not that way, you would experience nothing. There would be nothing to experience because the universe would be in a Monadic state.
>Ok, then what is he?
The cosmos, universal law, the prime mover. God isn't a man, it's just easier to talk about Him that way. God is the law behind the universe.
>Why would I strive for greatness when God could simply have made me great?
This honestly says everything about you. You've proven the accusation that you don't understand what it means to strive for greatness.
>Where was my free will in the snake situation?
You chose to get in the car and drive on that road, for one.
>Am I responsible for the whole sum of human actions that lead to the existence of the car?
You're responsible for your own actions. Didn't your father tell you that?
God is reality, and a reality in which there would be no definition would be a reality you can't experience because there would be nothing to experience.
>Animals are not people, animals don't have the same capacity for thought that humans do, and they don't have souls.
Didn't read past this, go play in traffic. I have no tolerance at all for people who can devote time and energy into researching a theological position to justify their sociopathy. The snake crossing the road was infinitely more deserving of life than the shaved apeBlack person piece of shit arguing he is the centerpiece of all existence.
You're mad as frick and don't have an argument. Animals are absolutely not equivalent to humans in any way. It's wrong to cause pointless suffering to animals, but I doubt you have a problem eating meat. You certainly don't have a problem causing damage to the natural environment by using a car, hypocrite. I think you're just happy for an excuse to disengage.
>the shaved apeBlack person piece of shit arguing he is the centerpiece of all existence.
I'm not the one arguing that God is a superhero watching my every move and issuing out punishments and rewards for my actions. That'd be you.
>I doubt you have a problem eating meat. You certainly don't have a problem causing damage to the natural environment by using a car, hypocrite
I do both of these things and I feel guilt about it frequently. I don't do anything about the guilt, which I'll readily admit is pretty fricking pathetic and I have no excuse for it, but I am absolutely not for a second going to even attempt to justify anything wrong I do with "well a divine being I can't fricking see or smell or taste or hear or experience in any way shape or form created me because he loves me more than anything else so I can make others suffer and its ok." It isn't ok, the reason animals suffer under us is because they lack the intelligence to effectively defend themselves against us in an organized manner, and that sucks, but you are not going to sit here and say God is ok with this and I should want anything from him except a chance to spit in his disgusting fricking eye.
>I do both of these things and I feel guilt about it frequently.
You can stop doing both those things at any time if you actually feel guilt. Why don't you? Why are you blaming God instead?
>"well a divine being I can't fricking see or smell or taste or hear or experience in any way shape or form created me because he loves me more than anything else so I can make others suffer and its ok."
You shouldn't justify it like that because that's fricking stupid and it's moron level """theology""" that you tell to children and brownoids so they don't cause chaos. I think you haven't read a fricking word I've said to you, which isn't surprising. If you make others suffer, that's a result of your actions. If you suffer from guilt, that's a result of your actions. God is not a cloud man that's watching you jack off and writing it down in a book so He can send you to Hell later. God is the natural order, and when you live in a naturally healthy way, you will feel better and be better. When you act against the order of the cosmos, say by aiding in the destruction of nature by driving a car, you'll suffer and feel guilt. You can become closer to God by being a better person or you can keep seething that you weren't born a god.
Why does the definition of God keep fricking changing with you people all the time? What the hell is the natural order? Suffering is natural, the peace we live in now is unnatural, but its much more preferable to the chaos of the wild.
>Why does the definition of God keep fricking changing with you people all the time?
Because you're probably talking to protestants who haven't read Aquinas or even the Bible itself and have a child's understanding of God.
>What the hell is the natural order?
Is this a real question?
>Suffering is natural
It is, yes. Suffering is a natural consequence of its opposite. The two have to exist side by side to define each other. And it's natural that you will suffer when you act in a way that causes suffering. But you are in control of your own actions, and your actions will make your life better or worse. Of course, others can influence your life too. But they're still also people in control of their own actions. You're not special and God is not a playwright putting you in situations where you have to sin so He can laugh and punish you.
>It's a snake and not a person.
And? You get run over, it's going to hurt, same thing happened with the snake, or do you mean the disgusting, evil piece of shit you seem to worship doesn't care about the suffering of nonhumans?
>Pleasure and joy can't exist without pain and suffering to define it.
Of course it can, you can experience and enjoy things without suffering. I never needed to experience dental pain to enjoy eating a delicious meal.
>blah blah blah the fall of man
Ok, but why does God allow this?
I'm not looking for smug gotchas, I have no vested interest in pissing you off, in fact it frustrates me that you people tend to get so angry, frustrated and defensive so quickly. I'm pointing out that I find your belief system silly and absurd. "I have no fricking clue how the universe works or why anything exists or who, if anyone, made it all" is a far more reasonable worldview to me than "a being that can do anything created all of this seemingly random and chaotic shit, and also he is very good and loves you, disregard the widespread suffering that takes place in reality." I cannot believe that when I've seen webms of cartel members carving peoples faces off.
>I stubbed my toe 🙁
>ergo God doesn't real
>God let my toe hurt
>but he loves you
>God gave me a booboo 🙁
It's impossible for you to draw a line on what amount of suffering is necessary/tolerable to declare that there is/isn't a God
we're on the same side
>life is hard and meaningless 🙁
>UGH
No we're not. Being unable to say anything meaningful and impactful about God with our limited human ways of knowing has nothing to do with whether or not he exists. There's simply no line to draw so it's a moot point unless you want to reduce God to something that carries no direct impact on the world, which makes his existence irrelevant even if it is the case
I'm smugly implying the same thing as you are, peabrain.
The conclusions are not the same based on what your reply chain would suggest
I'm mocking people who claim God can't exist because pain shouldn't exist. Are you, perhaps, autistic?
Autism is failing to understand that we're on an anonymous imageboard and, as a result, not everybody knows that you are the one posting a particular post, and extra confusion is added when a chain of replies is disrupted
understood
>but he loves me
Humanity was born into paradise
Humanity chose to sin
Jesus is God’s way of helping us back
Just read the Bible and ask a priest
>Jesus is God’s way of helping us back
Nobody asked lmao homosexual go back to paradiseddit.
yeah, don't bother arguing with christians or anyone that is in the religion
you get the same old prime mover argument but whenever you ask how the prime mover argument is evidence for the christian god specifically, they get angry. just don't bother, buddy
you replied to yourself and gave yourself a get out of jail free card, well done buddy
yeah bro you caught me
>the Christian concept of God
the "christian" concept of god makes no good amount of sense because it's a mish-mash of cultures from around europe and the near east
god and satan being equally powerful would make sense, IF satan wasn't originally an angel under god - therefore less powerful than god
so how did satan become all powerful?
total patchwork
satan isn’t all powerful
read the post i was replying to
>you can’t understand this omnipotent being but I totally can
That's an argument for Deism, if you can't understand an omnipotent being's motivations then nobody can.
>I created
In Christianity sins come about through the fall of man, it’s more like God created the ability for man to choose for himself and a consequence of that is the possibility of sin
>I had to die for them because I want you to live forever with me in paradise
Then why does he not simply abolish all sinful choices from existence, or punish those who engage in it, or make it alluring in the first place?
It's a divine mystery, troony.
>I dont know
That's not really a good incentive to put faith in something.
Because God loves you enough to allow you to make your own decisions.
It’s about the inclination towards sin that humans have. It’s the inherited mark of the fall of man. I haven’t honestly read too much on original sin, but you’ve inspired me to.
Why does love equate with allowing me to self harm, and then punishing me for said self harm? People love their kids, they don't allow them to stick a fork in an electrical socket and then belt them afterwards.
Love equates with forgiveness no matter what, as long as you ask for it and mean it. The rules to not “self harm” (sin) are there, you have to listen to them. If you don’t and you don’t ask for forgiveness and God’s grace then you are cut off (I don’t believe in the typical fiery torture hell, just in being cut off from God)
If my answers aren’t good enough that’s ok, I don’t understand everything. But I love you and so does Jesus (if all this is true which it might not be, but for me it’s still worth emulating Christ.)
>Love equates with forgiveness no matter what
That's an absolutely insane assertion, I love my mother very much but if I found out she was skinning babies alive and drinking their blood, I wouldn't love her anymore.
Ok, you’re not God.
Then love, under your definition, is restricted purely to God? Why should I value it then if it is a totally foreign notion to me?
All expressions of love would be considered expressions of God’s grace. It’s not foreign to you because you are a creature created in the image of God.
The notion of forgiving any transgression is absolutely foreign to me, and I would argue it's an extremely evil attitude to be willing to forgive atrocities like the example I gave.
Ok. You can think that.
why is being born a sin?
I'm so fricking sick of culturally circumcized teenage atheists, Cinemaphileros...
what the FRICK, OP. You're going to attract all the seething redditors (Santa deniers/atheists)
Are not they worthy of saving? Perhaps they will be inspired to walk with us in the Lord's grace?
God isn't real but Santa is. I am a practitioner of Santaria.
It's called SANTAnism for a reason.
Do any of those hallmark christmas movies mention Christ?
Why would you post a thread that is essentially bait for trannies and redditors?
You know, I appreciate the cartoon for recognizing the wonder of Christ's crucifixtion, but his incarnation is a seperate gift altogether.
The Lord your God was humble enough to become man. But he didn't just come to earth as man, he was born like a man and lived like a man. Suffering all the same doubts, temptations, and pains of being a man until he sacrificed himself and suffered a humiliating death as a man.
Fulton Sheen wrote something to the effect that anyone who has ever been born came into the world to love, but only one man was born to come into the world specifically to die...
Merry Christmas!
*Came into the world to LIVE.
Thanks anon, merry Christmas
Show me a single piece of evidence that Jesus was even real.
I’ve met plenty of people who are named Jesus. Must have come from somewhere.
more proof that Jesus must have been Latino
Jesus took 3 days to resurrect because he needed his siesta
why is santa walking faster than jesus
I like how Christians want us all to be happy an innocent nice guy got tortured and hung up on a cross.
Most people will burn eternally in the Lake of Fire, because either they're normies not strong enough to accept that the world is evil, or they're part of the elite satanic leaders and their cronies.
This is what israelites always say but we’re honoring the selflessness of his sacrifice for others. And israelites don’t do anything but make it hard to celebrate Christmas. Frick them honestly. Hooknosed demons.
No you’re supposed to be happy that he resurrected.
Die Hard
Why do atheists hate whites so much?
atheists are super left wing on average
I have no idea, lack of religious faith and being a self destructive maniac homosexual seems to coincide a lot for some reason.
>Why do atheists hate whites so much?
Atheists are usually educated and understand that the problem isn't immigration but the economic system that concentrates wealth at the top. If you stop or reduce legal immigration you're not fixing the problem, they'll just let more illegals in to keep wages down. Christgays as usual are too stupid to actually fix problems and are as always the useful idiots of the israelite class.
>dude, immigration isn’t the issue!
>i’m totally a heckin based anti semite though!
sure you are lmfao. just ignore white genocide
>dude, immigration isn’t the issue!
But it isn't. Companies hire immigrants because they're cheaper, change shit so they have to pay people a decent wage and watch the problem go away. You think Republicans in Texas want illegal immigration to stop? Frick no, their lobbyists in the oil and gas industries love illegal immigrants, they'd fantastic for profits.
Learn how the world actually works instead of having all of your opinions spoon-fed to you by media.
>i’m totally a heckin based anti semite though!
I am. You just think everybody that doesn't think exactly like you is a wiener-sucking homosexual though, which is a homosexual mentality to have.
A poor stupid brown ape with money is just a rich stupid brown ape.
"Atheists" are actually suckered into the Science Religion, which is the NWO normie religion. The satanic elites shill the Science Religion to the clueless normies.
>"Atheists" are actually suckered into the Science Religion
You think I'm gonna argue with that? I'm with you, I agree. Dogmatic thinking is a huge problem with both the left and right side of the political spectrum. Leftists that think that because they can find a "study" that supports their opinion, that their opinion is fact, are just as delusional as rightoids that think that because some guy in front of a cross says something, that that's the truth.
Reject dogmatic thinking, always (yes I'm aware of the irony).
My goodness, how smart and mature you are, little fellow. You have figured out that it's always easier to come down against everything. Since every idea is flawed or incomplete in some way, you will always be at least somewhat correct. How very industrious of you.
>Southern Baptist
But the average Christian is brown or increasingly black? Why would Christians hate themselves?
and the average atheist is chinese? noticed how christianity predominates in places whites conquered while atheism is popular in insect hives in asia?
The most heavily Christian countries are shitholes in Africa and Latin America. Europe and Asia are majority secular. There's a definite correlation between intelligence and lack of religion.
If you think the average chinese person is intelligent I have a bridge to sell you
In western countries christians don’t have an average IQ any lower than atheists, both are just around the average for that nation. So even ignoring that the most secular european nations on that graph are the most brown (eg UK) and leftist, within them there’s no big IQ disparity. All you are actually pointing out is that europe colonised africa, and europe sent missionaries there 200 years ago.
>these two having the exact same argument over and over
This map directly correlates with the most brown european countries though. The most secular ones are the most left wing by far
>Czech Republic, Latvia, Hungary, Switzerland, Austria and Estonia are left wing
Yeah okay.
I wondered why you mentioned a bunch of places not on that graph, and then looked it up. 30% of Hungarians are catholic, not even counting other denominations. Only 11% are non religious. It’s not a massively secular country
>50% of Christcucks support importing more shitskins
Of course they do.
my favorite Christmas movie is Space Buddies
>that part when they find the Russian space dog who’s been out there alone so long he’s gone insane and they’re forced to lock him back in his capsule and send him off into oblivion before he kills them all
>God bless.
Cool it with the antisemitism. There is no God and men are women. Stand and die for Israel.
Palpatine: Did you ever hear the Good News of Jesus the Christ?
Anakin: No?
Palpatine: I thought not. It's not a story the Sanhedrin would tell you. It's a story of redemption. Jesus of Nazareth was the son of God, so pious and so selfless that he could use his divine powers to influence reality to create miracles… He had such a knowledge of godliness, he could even keep the ones he cared about from dying.
Anakin: He could actually save people from death?
Palpatine: The unconditional love of the Savior is a pathway to many abilities some consider to be unnatural.
Anakin: What happened to him?
Palpatine: He became so holy… the only thing he cared to do was kill death itself, which eventually, of course, he did. Fortunately, he gave his life to save you and I from eternal hellfire, then the Hebrews crucified him. Ironic. He came to save others from death, and they rebuked him.
Anakin: Is it possible to learn of eternal salvation?
Palpatine: Not from a rabbi.
>Christian nationalists posting on Cinemaphile
I guess it makes sense you guys can't shit up irl anymore so you come here to shit.
>nooo the holidays have to be ironic and mean spirited
No they don’t israelite, eat shit.
No they can be genuinely fun and wholesome without believing in an omnipotent all creating being that lets tons of beings suffer.
Ok so you’re an insane prejudiced sicko, like I said eat shit.
Where in the hell did you get that from?
>all powerful but allows evil
>knows that people he creates will be evil and go to hell
>still sends them to hell anyways
>eternal punishment for finite existence
it’s not a punishment, it’s a choice. why would someone who hates everything god stands for want to be with him forever? hell is just a spiritual continuation of whatever life you are choosing to lead right now. if you reject god you’re free to do so
god created the person knowing they would make that choice, they were predestined to turn against him, why should they exist at all?
god IS existence, everything that happens is on him because it IS him
Aren’t you answering your own question? If you have inherent respect for the things you made, you give them that freedom to determine themselves infinitely. They have value in of themselves, and don’t need to be justified in some concequentialist way
>give humans freedom to make other humans suffer at no fault of their own
that's evil
>b-but their reward is great in heaven
then what's the point of it? Is God some gnostic demiurge that insists we need to be "tested" or is he a crazy bpd b***h caught in the contradiction of wanting his creations to love him freely so he gives them freedom knowing exactly who will and won't turn against him for all eternity
it's senseless
>having children is evil because they are autonomous and not puppets
>heaven
Never mentioned it.
humans are fallible mortals. There's no comparison to be made to an omnipotent, omniscient god
How the hell am I mean to articulate a perspective that far removed from my own without analogy? You create children knowing they will make mistakes, do bad shit, and even possibly dislike you. You confer an inherent dignity and respect upon children when you make them because you are okay with them doing those things, because they are valuable in of themselves without justification or reference to anything else. That’s what actual unconditional love is. You don’t force them to love you, you can only love them no matter what they choose to do, and chastise them when they go down a path you think they shouldn’t. People love their children, they wouldn’t love robotic slaves
A rock didn’t just appear out of thin air, it relies on prior states of things in order to be. Every particle in the universe is like this, all matter is like this. It doesn’t exist by force of itself but is parasitic on prior conditions. This is a casual chain of events obviously, but also more fundamental, things like three dimensional space are a condition on matter existing. Since we know both space and time began definitively at some point, and that the series of all contingent things (the universe) is not self justifying, that would logically mean the absolute foundation of reality is not material, but an a priori (non empirical and true by the force of themselves, ie, the statement all bachelors are male) set of laws that contingent things are conditioned on.
>subjectivist emotivist
Ie, this argument only works from your unique emotional experience and reading of an event
>what is coherency
A fundamental part of reality. It’s like asking why two contradictory things cannot happen at once, or why 2 and 2 can’t make 5. Because that a priori and immaterial set of conditions that govern everything (if you want proof of this, try to define “true” without circular reasoning) dictate certain things. For free will to exist, randomness must
humans have minimal control over their spawn
god does not
even if we followed your whole analogy it would pretty much dismantle any western religious doctrine
that's the crux of the problem
there are so many qualifications that eventually the god ceases to be anything other than some vague force of nature beyond understanding and common sense, which throws out everything that goes along with the standard dogma, and christianity is just some western individualistic humanist ideology because it can't make any real claims about metaphysical questions like the divine
God doesn’t have complete control over people. The entire concept of free will rests on that assumption. If you are going to create something with the dignity, and trust placed in it, of being free, it needs to be able to genuinely exercise that freedom. I don’t see how the rest of your post follows either. The entire concept of religion cannot hinge on enforced consent because we don’t see people spontaneously turning to atoms when they decide to do something cruel
God has complete control over all existence and himself. That's what being omniscient, omnipotent, and free means
>God doesn’t have complete control over people
Then he isn't omnipotent.
>The entire concept of religion cannot hinge on enforced consent because we don’t see people spontaneously turning to atoms when they decide to do something cruel
Yea see, that's why I don't trust this whole God fella.
That’s not what omnipotent means at all. For one thing, a power isn’t only a power when it is constantly exercised, a power is an ability in potential. This is not what omnipotence means in any case in regard to theism. Contingent reality is willed by god, it is emanating from god, but that does not mean every particle is constantly controlled and influenced by god, they are given properties which make them able to act autonomously. Again, free will is a thing.
God is existence in of itself. He has the potential to guide the contingent reality in whatever direction he desires. It's playing out before him and he knows how it will end because he's omniscient.
>has the potential
sure. but it’s potency and not always actualised. as for omniscience, it’s not really seeing the future but being equipresent across every instance of time. every act is happening freely within those instances,m
>subjectivist emotivist
>Ie, this argument only works from your unique emotional experience and reading of an event
If your God doesn't believe random suffering is a bad thing, and he is real, then every human being in existence should be focused on destroying him as fast as possible.
again, that’s your reading. suffering existing must mean that god approves of it in the way you conceive of it. it’s like a child being punished by their parents and thinking it arbitrary until they grow up and realise the meaning behind it. you view that pain as pointless, I don’t
>I deserve to suffer because I don't understand the motivations of my torturer
Who brought deserve into it? I suffer because I am. I by definition need to suffer limitation, because a consciousness and an identity is defined by what it isn’t. I am not every perspective, i’m one small one separate from the rest of reality. If I didn’t suffer in that respect I could not even exist. It’s not a question of deserve. Did I deserve to be born, or not? By brute fact I simply am, because I must be
>that's evil
why
explain from your point of view
when you are existence itself, when you are all powerful and all knowing, everything is on you
explain why it's evil though?
So far you've only expressed personal opposition to it, which doesn't make it evil
Causing needless, unjust suffering is evil
why tho
you're having trouble explaining it
based on the traditional christian idea of evil, which humans are supposedly judged by god for
so something you don't believe or understand?
When you resort to
>your mind is too limited to grasp God's mystery!
you're basically admitting that you have nothing to suggest that there's any reason why somebody should believe in God
>you can't just point out that my "understanding" of your dogma is a strawman!!!
>change the language!
>move the goalposts!
the real problem is that you can't even give a good definition to defend in the first place, you operate in ambiguity like a trickster or con artist
>it's moving the goalpost by pointing out the subject is a matter of dogma and not just your personal opinions
>do exactly as I say and worship me or I'm sending you to hell forever
that's not a choice given to you by somebody who loves you, it's an ultimatum from an enemy
>do exactly as I say
funny way to phrase don’t be a selfish piece of shit and acknowledge when you are one
You have a choice, anon. If you chose to forsake the word of God and be an evil person who actively damages the world he created for everyone, punishment makes sense. If you decide to be good and improve the world then you're rewarded. Why is it hard to think that an all powerful God wouldn't consider your free will to be important? You're his most important creation and so he gave you the capacity to choose how you interact with his world. If you can overcome temptation to act selfishly, with spite, jealously, etc then you're treated accordingly. If you make others suffer, then you suffer accordingly.
homosexual shit lmao
It's just an extrapolation of real life, moron. Go ahead and rape and murder your family, you totally won't get punished accordingly because that's only for le christcucks right?
Fact: Cinemaphile was better when it was a non-religious site. The quality of this site has greatly reduced with the influx of Christcuck posters. This is an indisputable observable fact.
israelites hate christ
No, I think it’s all the israelites and trannies and lefties? Objectively.
It's unrelated to the true cause of the decline: phoneposting
>Christcucks still believe that their savior existed and wasn't a slimy israelite
Oh, I am laffin.
>believe that their savior existed
it's fairly believable that jesus was a real guy, there are contemporary witnesses that talk about him
now alexander the great? that's a whole different story
>endlessly samegayging now
mindbroken
you want your own nation filled with brown people
>you want your own nation filled with brown people
No, I want the economic system to change incentives so that companies aren't paying the government to mass-import cheap labor. There is a fricking difference.
I don't get it.
He's gonna crucify santa?
Cinemaphile is a pro santa board!
is this kind of thread all it takes to trigger a bunch of reddit midwits? how fricking exhausting is your life eternally crying about 2000 years of western history
>its enough for everyo-
>HOLD ON! ARE YOU EATING PORK!? ON SUNDAY!? WHAT THE FRICK NO THIS GIFT IS NO LONGER FOR YOU!
Jesus is pretty great but personally I believe in Santasaurus
Bask in his infinite love
I don't think I will ever understand the compulsion that drives religious people to worship a diety.
same one that made bach write music, dante write poetry, or some chimp wonder at the stars.
What do those have to do with worship?
well the first two credited all their work to the glory of god, and considered it a worshipful act. as in, they wanted to give praise to the beauty and complexity of reality through the arts, which is a form of worship straight away. they imitate the splendour of existence in their own tiny way by remixing it as a little personal tribute to what is. and wonder is what aristotle identified as the primal religious impulse, because it not only makes us theorise and speculate but want to give thanks. worship is giving thanks
Why in the world would wonder make you want to thank something? I've felt awe before, it didn't make me want to pretend an invisible man in the sky exists and he is the cause for it.
because I realise I am a casual part of a vast system and have been given the ability to experience wonderful and mysterious things as an isolated consciousness which could have not been. i’m grateful to be there and witness that mystery. i am thankful that I was for a moment in history and got to know about it all. if you don’t understand that basic impulse I don’t know what to say. maybe learn a lesson from the poets instead of calling them idiots
I can understand and agree with everything you just said, the part where you lose me is where you attribute this wonderful experience to an invisible being that you claim made everything.
because from my perspective the creative, foundational force of everything cannot be material, it cannot have come to be, but must if it serves as a foundation to everything be eternal and immaterial. I am a little thought of it, my consciousness and existence is there because it emerges from that fountain which is perpetually willing me to be. everything will collapse back into it. If there is no metaphysical force upholding the universe, then there is nothing upholding it, it’s a series of moving objects leaning on a void not realising that it cannot possibly be sustained on such a thing, like one of those cartoon characters treading air until they look down and see a gulch- only then do they start falling. why thank nothing? if there is nothing, I am not really existent either, i’m an illusion of nonsense that mistakenly developed a sense of self. nothing thanking nothing for nothing
Why do you need to thank anything for something beautiful? I see a gorgeous sunset, I don't start searching for an ass to lick.
you are already licking ass by staring at it. the experience of beauty is when you stop trying to impose an understanding on something but simply give way and let what it is act upon you, you give yourself over the the image of the sunset and let whatever it means, you don’t know what, impose itself upon you. in a true moment of beauty your mind becomes submissive and pliant, you give yourself over to the experience. this is true of every great experience in life. you don’t will yourself to love someone, love takes hold of you and you give in to it. beauty itself is recognition of a power beyond you and your understanding, more magisterial, to the point where you don’t even attempt to place your pretentious little framework over it or try to master if with mental control or understanding. you resign and give yourself away, you are already submissive, already licking ass the moment you see something beautiful. i just see that bristly not as some ephemera, but on an objective scale, when i see something more or less beautiful, i instinctively assume a standard of absolute beauty, perfect beauty, that i bring into every value judgement of beautiful things and their proximity to that absolute standard. i am unconsciously submitting to, recognising the authority of and praising “beauty” when i see something beautiful. the ass is licked
Veggie Kino
All abrahamic religions worship satan
yah cool movie suggestions u guyz this isn't /misc/ if you haven't noticed yet
>dies for your sins in your path
nothing personnel kid
Good comic. Very nice and wholesome.
You should only love your woman. Anyone demanding otherwise you should treat an an enemy.
>Christians think it's a Christian holiday when it's a Pagan holiday
>Christ wasn't even born on Christmas
Hate to say it, but Jehova's Witnesses won this one. The true spirit of Christmas is giving gifts. It's the thought of giving.
We know Christ was born about April 6th and about the True nature of Christmas.
heccin wholesome
Christianity is just blackmail, prove me wrong.
You can never really truly follow it out of your own free will, because the alternative is going to hell. You might say "That's not true, I just love Jesus!" well yeah, because you have to otherwise you'll get tortured forever
I'd honestly have a lot more respect for Christianity if it wasn't just "believe in me or get tortured forever"
Hell is a situation you put yourself in. Stop talking to protestants.
the same fire that burns sinners in hell warms the saints hearts in heaven
That fire? Conscience.
Isn't it baby jesus who brings presents in yurope?
I'm still waiting on that gift israelite homosexual.
A gun rack? Is he mental? I don't even have A GUN!
>FALSE, it’s a case by case basis where every israeli case is permitted
put a cross next to it, get the cameras rolling and see what happens
Honestly can't think of any Christmas ones off the top of my head, but The Resurrection of Gavin Stone is really good. Dude that is doing The Chosen (honestly kind of shocked its not discussed on this board more as it's really really well done) made it, but it didn't get marketed well (I can't remember for sure) and he ended up making The Chosen so I guess it's a good thing he didn't take off as a Hollywood director.
this picture pretty much sums up what atheism did to western society
>AIEEEEE PAGAN CLASSICISM AND CHRISTIAN GOTHIC! DISGUSTING!!!
>just put a huge angular metal triangle there lol, secularism ftw
When did we lose the ability to make decent art
you’re saying rick and morty and marvel isn’t as good as virgil and dante? fricking chud
>is-is that a building? AAAAAAHHHHH HELP ME I'M GOING INSANE!
Just endemic of rapidly collapsing artistic abilities and standards that’s all. If you ask me what tells the truth about a society, what the people trying to shill it say about it, or the buildings they actually made, I will believe the buildings. And the buildings look like soulless shit with no clear identity
Secularism doesn’t really have a cultural identity hence its iconography being the same brand of identical globohomosexual art across the world. It exists basically as a negation to other beliefs systems rather than an assertion in its own right. How do you make a beautiful structure that speaks to nothing? You can’t. You just remix and dissect other things. That’s why it sucks
It clearly wasn't enough.
Three Godfathers
Babette’s Feast
The Phantom Carriage
I like IRL christians but the christlarpers on Cinemaphile are insufferable homosexuals