Please, the New 52 wasn't that bad, was it?
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Please, the New 52 wasn't that bad, was it?
Please, the New 52 wasn't that bad, was it?
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Yes, it was.
It was terrible.
DC comics died ages ago.
It really was. Even the creators know the books were awful.
Go read Rozum's account of what it was like trying to write the Static: https://johnrozum.blogspot.com/2012/01/why-i-quit-static-shock.html
Yes, ti was it destroyed superman marriage, also marriages in general.
new52 was the last nail in DC Comics coffin.
Why did they think that 5 year timeline thing was a good idea?
they were stupid, they wanted to keep the cake and also eat it at the same time.
They had no plan.
truest words
a bit prostitutefication but we still got coomer covers with power girl books
Yes it was. It ruined by boy Constantine and turned him into a generic hero.
>Yes it was. It ruined by boy Constantine and turned him into a generic hero.
This was easily the least offensive thing they did. Yes they ported Constantine into the main DCU, but they kept Hellblazer running till Vertigo folded. Who gave a shit about not-Constantine? There's 300 issues of that amazing horror/magic comic to read.
It was still heterosexual focused so, no.
The writing here is absolutely atrocious.
Sigh.. When comic characters could be attractive and hot.
>Lobdell
Yikes
Remember when you were worshiping him?
>coomers need to keep their writing standards THIS low
It was the Ultimates of DC
It destroyed DC and they’ve never truly recovered. Particularly because Jim Lee (and Didio before he left) doesn’t see how bad it was and refuses to let any of it be fully abandoned.
DCYou
DC Rebirth
Bendisshit and the aborted 5G
Dawn of DC
Have all been attempts to course correct on ideas that were halted by the New 52.
"52 ongoings all launching at number 1 and sorted by families/genres with national TV commercials" was a great attempt to invigorate the comic shop market.
But the execution of the reboot completely botched it because it was led by tired old dudes who didn't know how to make DC superheroes cool for 2011.
It was the exact same botched execution as Heroes Reborn. With the same dudes who botched it the first time. And 15 years older into middle age.
A reboot should have been small and contained like the Ultimate Universe.
Or it should have been a concerted organized publishing initiative to reinvigorate an entry point for the existing DCU. But that editorial team was not cut out for that.
>A reboot should have been small and contained like the Ultimate Universe.
Makes some sense.
>Or it should have been a concerted organized publishing initiative to reinvigorate an entry point for the existing DCU. But that editorial team was not cut out for that.
Makes no sense and only casuals who don’t actually buy comics want this. They would not start buying comics if this was done. They’d just read a few more than they already do for free.
>Makes no sense and only casuals who don’t actually buy comics want this.
Comic shops and Big 2 floppies are going extinct. If you want to stop that, then you have to do something different in order to attract a new young buyer base.
Or you're okay with it going extinct and are content with the last generation being catered to until they die off.
>hen you have to do something different in order to attract a new young buyer base
No you don’t. You need to appeal to the customers who actually go to those shops. Kids can’t drive, don’t have expendable income and don’t have the interest in the format. They need to make OGNs and webcomics for them.
Shops are doing well enough and with comics that appeal to their demo (20-50) they’d do fine. You homosexuals just hate those people on a personal level and like the idea of ruining what they love.
>Shops are doing well enough and with comics that appeal to their demo (20-50) they’d do fine
No they aren't. They propped themselves up on variant covers.
>I don’t know what I’m talking about I’ll just regurgitate some shit I heard someone else say
Prove that it's wrong
I live the proof every week.
Prove it's right
You're the one who made the positive claim- shops are propped up on variant covers.
It doesn't actually make that much sense, either. Ordering 50 or 100 copies of Captain Marvel or even Spider-Man to get a few variant covers is financial suicide if those variants don't cover all that cost, plus if that were the case virtually every comic shop would need a warehouse or an industrial shredder to store or get rid of the spares.
It's happening at the shops that are running huge online ops, but at the average store, no way.
It’s no use hes the type of homosexual that’ll regurgitate YouTube talking points from 6 years ago that were never true. That’s why I just told him I live the reality weekly. In reality shops that are doing well have a good selection of back issues on stock, which they also sell online, as well as manga, merch, tcg, ect.
The people claiming they’re ALL dying never go to shops. They aren’t all dying but they all could be doing much better if the comics made for the direct market we’re targeting the customer that shops their without imagining we’re all dying boomers or whales who buy anything.
I’d say the biggest problem the big 2 have is hiring casual writers under casual editors (neither of which have ever bought floppies so they don’t understand the product or consumer behavior) coupled with an air of arrogance and contempt that they should be able to do whatever they like because they’re so talented and intelligent that whatever they churn out is automatically better and more socially relevant than (what they consider) milquetoast, regressive, good vs evil, meat and potatoes capeshit.
You're talking as if comic book shops keep closing down more and more
Anon like 6 closed last year. The industry is relatively stable and closures are mostly due to rent being out of control in suburban and urban areas.
You legit sound like a 16 year old moron who spends all day believing what you see on YouTube and here discussing comics you don’t read.
Most restaurants fail within the first three years and yet nobody is claiming restaurants as an industry are in turmoil.
As anon said above most shops are doing well enough they could just all be doing so much better if the big 2 weren’t driving their own sales into the ground pandering to homosexuals, women and other groups of people who will never buy ongoings in any notable numbers.
>Anon like 6 closed last year
Lmao
That's just the ones that TWEETED ABOUT IT
Fricking imbecile
I accept your concession
>Comic shops and Big 2 floppies are going extinct. If you want to stop that,
The problem is that over the past few decades, mainstream culture has changed.
People have gotten used to things like free digital media. While they will still buy books (meaning anything on paper, not just talking floppies or collected TPBs), or they will still go to the movies, or buy a DVD/CD, they are mostly doing things like streaming music or video, reading ebooks, etc.
So something as niche as a 20-30 page floppy, when even popular mainstream magazines like Sports Illustrated or Newsweek are DOA today, at a price point people don't want to pay when they can get it for free or wait for a trade for free, just means there's NOTHING to "stop."
DC, Marble and other publishers are a very niche. Manga is just a more successful niche, it's not a replacement. The days that Superman sold in the millions ever month in floppies, even down to a Jimmy Olsen and Lois Lane books are LONG GONE, or that X-Men could launch actual SOLD AND READ in the millions of copies (not speculation, variant over saturation, inflated sales, etc.) are relics that aren't coming back, and Manga is just like people pointing at No Way Home or Top Gun or Barbie and claiming movies are back.
>pointing at No Way Home or Top Gun or Barbie and claiming movies are back.
wtf do you mean movie cinema still going strong its just consumers right now knew with how tight the economy they cant watch slop like mcu movies anymore instead they went to decent ones
Floppies are $5 a piece for a measly 22 pages. That’s way too expensive for the average person. No one but the handful of die-hards will buy that shit.
Most are 4 dollars actually and if you ever went to shops you’d see it’s not a resoundingly well off crowd buying them. This idea of “whales” and boomers is just woefully untrue.
>Floppies are $5 a piece for a measly 22 pages.
remember initative "the line is drawn"?
it was in 2010-2011 before flaspoint, every comicbook was 2.99
>every comicbook
No, only DC did that initiative. They tried hard and for a bit they had more 2.99 titles than all the other publisher combined, but at the end of the day nobody cared so there was no point in them losing money like that.
you forgot severals:
one year later
brightest day
the line is drawn
dc you
dc rebirth
dc universe (2017)
future state
etc...
marketing departament must be crazy, but they aren't the ones to blame, the ones to blame are jim lee, bendis, taylor, snyder and tom king
Did you even read the post you're quoting?
Anon was talking about major line-wide creative shifts with new #1s that reintroduced pre-Flashpoint concepts into the DCU after the New 52 fricked it up.
One Year Later, Brightest Day, and Drawing the line all predate the Nu52.
One Year Later would qualify if you weren't wrong on the timing.
Brightest Day was just an event.
Drawing the Line was a marketing initiative around their 2.99 price point when Marvel upped everything to 3.99 minimum.
>Brightest Day was just an event.
it also affected several DC titles back then (green arrow, JLA, etc)
>One Year Later, Brightest Day, and Drawing the line all predate the Nu52.
yeah, my point is DC needs to get better editors, better writers, better artists
>A reboot should have been small and contained like the Ultimate Universe.
TSMT even the new ultimate universe line only had 3 ongoing title rn instead dc 52 titles run
Not if you cared about the quality of the comics. It was bad if you were one of those continuity obsessed weirdos.
It garbage right from the start. The two Superman titles were contradicting each other constantly.
No DC fan can even tell you if New 52 Teen Titans and it's spinoffs even happened in continuity
The Lobo and Hawkman disasters
Harley Quinn: child murderer
Truth is you didn't need to reboot to have Jim Lee draw JLA or Snyder graduate from 'Tec to Batman, or actually give a shit about advertising for once.
Comics have been dead for years. The industry as a whole is nothing more than an animated corpse.
As a GL / Supergay it was my personal 9/11.
>the New 52 wasn't that bad, was it?
It was bad but we didn't realize it immediately. There was like a full year of people being in "this is new, let's see what's up" mode. And DC still had a lot of good faith left so people were willing to give it benefit of the doubt.
If you did Nu52 right now, with no changes, people would spit on it.
Better than current DC Comics
Barely and I’d personally say it was still worse because of the dogshit redesigns. It legit comes down to comparing a couple (generously, a handful) of readable comics to see which had more. New 52 over its entirety had like three good titles, Dawn has had like three or four and two are by waid and out of continuity. By far the two worst extended eras in company history. The two month future state was worse but shorter and the proposed 5G would have been the worst ever if it went through.