Imagine listening to the people who made space cop criticize the person who made the most successful movie franchise of all time and pioneered movie technology.
Imagine listening to the people who made space cop criticize the person who made the most successful movie franchise of all time and pioneered movie technology.
they should watch space cop
they'll learn A LOT from that.
You ever hear the phrase “you don’t need to be a chef to know when the food tastes like shit”?
Imagine paying 20k a year to attend a class where they play red letter media youtube videos to fill in the time.
Also, those videos are ass and have aged terribly whilst the prequels are now widely appreciated. Lucas won in the end.
prequels are appreciated purely because of how shit the sequels were
Why are moron zoomers like you so hellbent on making people like the prequels when they’ve been hated for as long as they’ve existed? Open your eyes and ears so you can understand the Star Wars fanbase is so massive that it’ll appear as if there’s a lot of people who love the prequels, but that’s obviously not the majority of people.
>the majority of people.
Tell me why should anyone care?
The movie exist as standalone digital files, you can download them anytime you want and judge them in isolation.
>You ever hear the phrase “you don’t need to be a chef to know when the food tastes like shit”?
Never, you're the first one to mention it bro.
Tell me, from whom would you rather take lessons: Lucas or some fatfrick who fails at making movies but does reviews for le lulz?
the plinkett reviews are useful if you want to improve your story and character writing skills. They make extremely good points regardless of your personal opinion on the prequels or RLM
I agree, they're not massively educational but they are a fun way to learn basic concepts. The bit where he asks people to explain characters without describing what they look like or what their job is is hilarious.
eat shit homosexual. Space cop is a cop out and you know it. They hide behind "it's just a joke" because they suck shit. They should not be taken seriously.
This moronic slubs can't even find movies they like to talk about. They are TRASH.
>prestige of any sort = it's perfect and it/the creator can't be questioned >financial success = creative talent
What is it with modern Cinemaphile, especially Prequel cultists, and just worshipping established "authorities" in ther industry and becoming hostile if they are even questioned, let alone criticized? Think for yourself, drone. Nobody respects your Sacred Cows. They are up for beinh slaughtered just like all the rest.
George Lucas has talent in some areas but major deficienes in others. The Prequels have story, world-building and narrative problems even a child could recognize, let alone an adult with writing and film making experience.
Additionally, Space Cop was a stupid indie-film they did for fun with their spare time on a shoe-string budget, and for that specific genre even at that it's surprisingly polished. Having at least some experience in film-making; independent or for a hobby or otherwise; makes Mike and company MORE qualified as film-critics rather than LESS. In fact that makes them more "qualified" to talk about film than most """film critics""" these days who have literally never held a camera.
The frick are you talking about? Schizoid. I'm shitting on YOU. I am pointing out the moronation in YOUR argument. I don't give a frick about Mike or what people think or don't think about him. I am pointing out that YOU are factually, and provably, incorrect.
You drones are easy to destroy and do nothing but seethe. Never providing a single argument it's just... I was told to hate X thing therefore I hate it.. what do you mean why I hate it? You're a moron!!!
>the most successful movie franchise of all time
Kardashian or Hannah Bananah are popular and successful, so? >and pioneered movie technology.
He didn't pioneer shit moron. Watch an older Tarkovsky sci fi movie and be blown the frick out if you want true kino. Plastic dolls look like shit.
Love when brainlets like you use this argument to say someone's arguments are incorrect. In truth, this heuristic is only useful when you have to decide whether person X is worth listening to before you've heard anything from them. But after anyone makes an argument or statement, the truth value of that is independent from the person who said it.
>the person who made the most successful movie franchise of all time and pioneered movie technology.
The fat old frick shit on his own work, homosexual. He deserved everything he got.
The biggest condemnation is that:
1) They intentionally left out a lot of what Lucas was trying to achieve and other context to say DUR DIS SCRIPT AND CHARACTER IS TEH STOOPIDZ
2) Financially the prequels didn't fail and they coincided with the Golden Age of the Star Wars franchise as well as directly spawning many beloved spin offs and characters
All while RLM's ideas have been realized with TFA and other sequels which did flop (domestically) and which haven't created any beloved characters or spin offs and turned the franchise into an actual joke. And their one attempt to create a movie, Space Flop, was an embarrassing failure which was a complete disaster for them by every metric despite them doing their best to make it succeed.
there is that and also that awful, goofy voice that is hard to listen to. Someone should tell him to stop doing that voice. He also does it in space cop and it's the reason I will never watch that shit moovie.
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>UHHHHHH HOW DARE YOUR CRITICIZE THE PRESIDENT IF NEVER WON ANY ELECTIONS IN YOUR LIFE
if you see someone arguing like this, you just know he's a brainlet
You conned me into watching the Baby's Day Out review for 3 minutes. This boring monotone frickwit sounds like he's actually lecturing at a university.
Threadly reminder that we have Mike Stoklasa to thank for the way the sequel trilogy shaped out. Disney definately took his criticims to heart.
Thank you, Mike.
Lol if that were remotely true they wouldn't have sucked so hard.
If they DID "listen to his critiscisms" they apparently didn't listen very well.
What, did they receive Mike's "feedback" through a tin-can on a string, mumbled by a moron from the other end reading them out after they had been auto-translated by Google to Japanese and then back to English 10+ times?
The Prequel reviews were very, very, influential, and they were right at the height of the Lucas hate era. If you dig back in old tweets you'll see actual celebs and actors tweeting and talking about them. Roger Ebert even talked about them.
So these reviews would have been summarized as "what the fans want" and taken as part of the plan for the sequel trilogy. And again the sequels 100% adhere to everything in the prequel review's suggestions to what to avoid and what to do.
JJ, like Mike, is an original trilogy nostalgist so they're totally on the same level and Mike if given 200 million would likely have made The Force Awakens.
>And again the sequels 100% adhere to everything in the prequel review's suggestions to what to avoid and what to do.
They don't though, multiple people in this thread have said they don't and you've ignored all the arguments
prequelgays are literally delusional and won't accept any criticism that challenges their worldview >JJ, like Mike, is an original trilogy nostalgist so they're totally on the same level and Mike if given 200 million would likely have made The Force Awakens.
Like I've already pointed out (but you seem to be intentionally ignoring) the sequels are chock full of cheap nostalgiabait as well. Fricking C3PO is in them, and built by Anakin, wow!
>Threadly reminder that we have J.J. Abrams "mystery box" salesman pitch, feminism, Disney's decision to do a remake and not a sequel, and Disney's decision to not plan out a full trilogy to thank for the way the sequel trilogy shaped out.
Film school is literally for morons so it fits.
They didn't say anything of value so they had to incorpate bad youtube jokes to make sure people kept watching, every clickbait video does the same thing.
When did RLM recommend to do a star wars movie focusing on the Skywalker family AGAIN, and have no planned story or ideas.
Like the first sequel showed some promise. Likable characters, sure it was hitting a lot of the same beats but maybe it was a safe intro and there was a plan. Why wouldn't there be a plan for a billion+ dollar franchise?!
And then the other movies came out and it became clear there was literally no plan and the story was all random crap.
Rewatch their reviews again.
Every complaint they had about PT was adressed in the TFA. Too much politics in PT? ST has no politics, and no worldbuilding. PT is too different from the OT? ST is aping the OT again. PT cinematography is too ststic? ST has shaky cam. PT fights are overdesigned? ST has lame and poor lightsaber fights. PT characters have lame dialogue? ST characters wisecrack every five minutes because that makes them "relatable". Disney even brought JJ Abrams on board.
>PT is too different from the OT? ST is aping the OT again
They literally complain in the ROTS review about how the prequels are nostalgiabait >PT cinematography is too ststic? ST has shaky cam. PT fights are overdesigned? ST has lame and poor lightsaber fights. PT characters have lame dialogue? ST characters wisecrack every five minutes because that makes them "relatable"
All of these are examples of nuDisney/ capeshit film standards of the last decade, it's got nothing to do with RLM and they've even complained about a lot of this in the sequel reviews
>PT is too different from the OT? ST is aping the OT again
They literally complain in the ROTS review about how the prequels are nostalgiabait >PT cinematography is too ststic? ST has shaky cam. PT fights are overdesigned? ST has lame and poor lightsaber fights. PT characters have lame dialogue? ST characters wisecrack every five minutes because that makes them "relatable"
All of these are examples of nuDisney/ capeshit film standards of the last decade, it's got nothing to do with RLM and they've even complained about a lot of this in the sequel reviews
Here's the part where they point out how Lucas just rehashed shit from the original movies like the sequels do
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Stop wasting your time arguing with RLMgays. Just make fun of them.
Pretty much nothing he said about the reviews is right though
2 years ago
Anonymous
Themes being cyclical is not the same as retelling the same story beat for beat like TFA did it. While TPM has some themes that are similar, it doesn't rehash the same fricking plot.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Did you even watch that clip? It's not about themes, it's just trying to copy stuff from the original movies but it doesn't make sense, like the Jedi all wearing the robes that Obi-Wan and the other people on Tattooine do because they live on a desert, or giving everyone lightsabers.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Motherfricker, robed Jedi has been a thing since Tales of the Jedi at least, probably far eariler than that. They are suppose to invoke the combo of Asian and European monk. RLM doesn't seem to know that, because they only care about the OT and nothing else.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>Tales of the Jedi
Some comic shit made after the OT? Why does that excuse something clearly illogical, like why is Uncle Owen dressed up as a Jedi? >RLM doesn't seem to know that, because they only care about the OT and nothing else.
Yeah, like normal people. I'm sorry but most people don't care about kids comics.
2 years ago
Anonymous
wasn't anakin's ghost in RotJ wearing the same robes Obi-Wan did? why would he do that if he wasn't living on a desert?
2 years ago
Anonymous
Because he came from Tattooine
2 years ago
Anonymous
Yes. And so was Yoda. He also wasn't living on a desert planet.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>Yes. And so was Yoda. He also wasn't living on a desert planet.
He was a retired hermit in a swamp. The robes cover the body which makes it being a puppet easier. Not giving the Jedi a real and different set of robes that wasn't the same as Tatooine's style is a problem. It should have been something with colour but also dignity.
2 years ago
Anonymous
That, or we can just decide that Jedi wear fricking robes like Lucas always intended and move on, instead of going with those mental gymnastics.
2 years ago
Anonymous
His robes don't look anything like the ones Obi-Wan wears, they're more like rags
2 years ago
Anonymous
The whole idea where everything has to be cyclical and rhyming is what ruined star wars in the first place.
Every single fight in the star wars universe, including the old republic cg trailers is some variation of Luke vs Vader >Villain is obviously superior to Hero but Hero shows signs of potential and will possibly overcome in the future >Hero fighting Villain and Villain gains upperhand until Hero starts tapping into his emotions and tard-raging until he beats the villain. Hero ends up taking the high road and sparing the villain until the villain kills himself through his own doing or turns to good
in ROTJ it was implied that sparing someone as evil as Vader and turning him from dark to light is near impossible and something only the love of a son for his father could've done. But in the expanded universe (even before disney) it seems like more often than not the hero always takes the higher ground and spares the villain
2 years ago
Anonymous
That's Hero's Journey 101. Star Wars is a fairytale in space and that's how it works and that's what everyone expects. The themes will repeat themselves, the plot shouldn't.
2 years ago
Anonymous
is obviously superior to Hero but Hero shows signs of potential and will possibly overcome in the future >>Hero fighting Villain and Villain gains upperhand until Hero starts tapping into his emotions and tard-raging until he beats the villain. Hero ends up taking the high road and sparing the villain until the villain kills himself through his own doing or turns to good
Literally every anime ever
Because he's a boneheaded idiot. That's the issue with RLM. They barely know or care about Star Wars outside of maybe ANH and yet everybody is listening to them like gospel, not realizing the irony.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Keep performing those mental gymnastics and ignoring any valid criticism in this thread sweatie, maybe if you say it enough times it'll become true!
2 years ago
Anonymous
>she's using "sweetie" unironically
2 years ago
Anonymous
>sweatie >used unironically
is this your first day on Cinemaphile kiddo?
Why do I keep seeing morons push this bullshit claim?
The FRICK are you talking about? HOW were the Sequels "based on Mike's advice"? About the only argumrnt for that is the coincidental selection if JJ Abrams to direct, which Mike referenced as a possibility in a 5 second throw-away joke in a fricking Star Trek movie review.
Are you people legitimately derranged? You reference imaginary events and factoids as if they were real.
>About the only argumrnt for that is the coincidental selection if JJ Abrams to direct, which Mike referenced as a possibility in a 5 second throw-away joke in a fricking Star Trek movie review.
Even then he never said JJ should write the sequels, which is probably the bigger issue
>Are you people legitimately derranged?
You have to be to still insist after twenty years that the prequels are good
They're the masters in mental gymnastics, their biggest argument that the prequels are good is to claim the sequels are bad, because that somehow makes the prequels good. Or that RLM is responsible for all prequel hate and that makes any criticism of the prequels invalid.
Kek here's an example of classic "b-but the sequels are bas too!" mental gymnastics right here
>Last I checked any non-Autist over the age of like 20 still thought they were laughable garbage.
So check again. It's the sequels that showed what "laughable garbage" really is. At least PT had a fricking plot.
>whilst the prequels are now widely appreciated
Lol on what fricking planet, moron?
Prequel kiddies who saw them at age 8 now being old enough to write-out semi-literate screeds on the Internet they can dupe people into thinking are "academic" does not mean that the Prequels have now suddenly been "redeemed" in any way in the public consciousness. Last I checked any non-Autist over the age of like 20 still thought they were laughable garbage.
>Last I checked any non-Autist over the age of like 20 still thought they were laughable garbage.
So check again. It's the sequels that showed what "laughable garbage" really is. At least PT had a fricking plot.
Why do morons keep stating this like an argument over and over again? It's not an argument. They're both dog-shit. Arguably in different ways for different reasons, but still dog-shit.
>Lol on what fricking planet, moron?
On the same planet where the Obi-Wan Kenobi series, despite being shit, garnered bigger viewership than all previous Disney+ outings including Loki, The Falcon and the Winter Soldier and even the Fricking Mandalorian.
Explain it to me as though I were a simpleton then, I don't get it
Because Kenobi has an actor from the prequels (McGregor) it means that the prequels are good? I like McGregor too, he's one of the few things I like from the prequels.
I haven't seen Kenobi btw
Anon, I hate to break it to you, but the Obi Wan show and the SW Prequels are two different pieces of media. They were made at different times, by different people, more than a decade apart. In fact, the "Prequels" are three movies, while the Obi Wan show is.....well, a multi-episode show.
People watching one doesn't mean they liked, or have even seen, the other.
>Last I checked any non-Autist over the age of like 20 still though
The average person over 20 watched the films, thought they were fun, and moved on with their lives you dip
This.
Its like calling someone a "qualitygay" for complaining a movie is shit.
This has moved from being a bizarre Internet trend to a potential sign of societal and cultural decay.
This board turning on Plinkett is pure contrarianism. Everything he said about the prequels is correct and his only problem was not identifying how far the rot of Star Wars goes. It didn't start with the prequels, it started with return of the jedi: >have to make luke's confrontation with jabba take place on tatooine and not some new creative junkyard planet because muh poetry aka Lucas is creatively bankrupt >Turned Vader into a moping shell of a man and Vader's conniving attitude only shows up briefly before he he is promptly pummeled by Luke >Instead of having a fulfilling conclusion to the han-luke-leia love triangle he pulls a last minute plot twist out of his ass as some half-assed attempt to one up Empire's twist. >The trio no longer has any humanity and Luke is a creepy pastor and Han and Leia are effectively cardboard cut-touts >ROTJ was the beginning of the shrinking of the star wars universe. Past this point absolutely everything had to be connected to everything else to a (literal) incestuous degree
Take away the music, Ralph's Mcquarrie's art and Harrison Ford's ad libbing to make the dialogue bearable and you're left with almost nothing of value. Lucas' only purpose was the impetus of star wars but after that he should have handed it over to someone actually competent.
To make matter's worse he completely crippled the franchise with the whole chosen one plotline making every other story in the star wars universe seem pointless. He's the reason why the only content we get now is Filoni shit of basically providing filler content of little significance or shoehorning characters that shouldn't be there like Ahsoka
It's mostly over analysis, and you can sum up the prequels real problems as:
1. Over reliance on CGI
2. Having 1 film's worth of plot stretched to 3 with padding. Little in the first two films matter, and you could tell the story in a single film.
3. Fan pandering - giving more of what the fans want (jedi, light sabers, boba fett, Anakin, vader, etc). Often less is more. Kid anakin added nothing.
Almost every single problem stems from 2. Why is so much of the first film politics? Padding. Why is so much of the films people sitting down talking, or walking down hallways? Padding.
Lucas should have made 1 prequel film, and 1 sequel film.
there are way more problems: with basic continuity, dialogue and character motivation. plus all these criticisms, from your post and mine, apply even more to Disneywars.
No, the real problem of the prequels is the bad dialogue and delivery. Have someone clean up the dialogue and suddenly you have a pretty good trilogy on your hand. Case in point - read Matt Stover's novelization of RotS. It still follows Lucas' story, but it expands and facelifts the dialogue and the characterization of the characters and it's one if the best books in SW line.
Nah, that guy is absolutely right that it's the same story stretched out to three movies, it's always about the Emperor controlling everything and creating fake wars to fight, it could easily be told in one movie.
But even then the story is not good. If you follow Anakin as the protagonist then he's meant to be conflicted and see the morality of the Jedi as questionable for not saving his mother and allowing slavery to exist. But then that's countered by the Emperor being a pure, absolute evil who, even within Anakin's conflicted views he wouldn't accept.... so they add the stuff about him wanting to save Padme and only the dark side can provide that power.... but then he stays with the Emperor anyway when she's dead?
And that's only the ending as well. The trilogy and Clone Wars in particular is full of padding, it literally features an entire war of disposable droids vs disposable clones which is just a fabrication by the Emperor because he has GOD tier powers of manipulation across the entire galaxy. It is the most meaningless war in existence and pure padding.
Yeah I agree, ironically Plinkett does make a good point about the RotJ throne room scene here
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If Luke really had killed his father then what? Was he really going to say "oh well guess I'll join the Emperor and learn the dark side of the force lol".
It's as bad as the ending to RotS where Anakin tries to save Padme, fails, then says "oh well guess I'll join the Emperor then lol".
>have to make luke's confrontation with jabba take place on tatooine and not some new creative junkyard planet because muh poetry aka Lucas is creatively bankrupt
I don't see anything wrong with that, Jabba is a crime lord in Tattooine, that's what has been established in OT twice. That'd be complaining how it's so fricking weird that while fighting Japan Americans for no logical reason went to Japan.
>Turned Vader into a moping shell of a man and Vader's conniving attitude only shows up briefly before he he is promptly pummeled by Luke
That's actually a bit underrated aspect of prequel trilogy, it's something Lucas achieved with mixed results at best, but he did successfully emphasize that Vader is something Anakin became, he wasn't just born Vader, so Anakin being a completely different person you wouldn't expect to become Vader is fitting (all whiny b***h and prophecy shit that muddles it aside)
>Instead of having a fulfilling conclusion to the han-luke-leia love triangle he pulls a last minute plot twist out of his ass as some half-assed attempt to one up Empire's twist.
That I rather agree with, but he probably pulled it out of his ass just because Yoda said there is another and instead of introducing a new character just filled the spot with Leia. But on other hand, love triangles are trite anyway.
>The trio no longer has any humanity and Luke is a creepy pastor and Han and Leia are effectively cardboard cut-touts
Richard Marquand was special effects guy, he figured he would leave actors to know what they are doing, and that just wasn't the decision but that's on him.
>ROTJ was the beginning of the shrinking of the star wars universe. Past this point absolutely everything had to be connected to everything else to a (literal) incestuous degree
Disagree, ROTJ was the conclusion to stories introduced in New Hope. That's their stories. Shrinking definitely started when we found out Anakin built C3PO.
tatooine is supposed to be some backwater planet where nothing happens. That was the original reason as to why Obi Wan hid Luke there. But now it's the most important planet in the galaxy with crimelords having their HQ set up there. Again, this is all Lucas' fault
Jabba set up his palace there specifically because nothing happens on Tatooine, so that big powers leave him alone. It's like Cyprus. You go there for tax evasion.
What? What kind of logic is that? Jabba is just a rich slug at the center of criminal empire on Tattooine, he just has money and slaves, the only reason they went to him at all was Han, he had no fricking anything else.
>But now it's the most important planet in the galaxy with crimelords having their HQ set up there.
You know druglords don't live in New York or Los Angeles right? They have sprawling estates in Colombian or Mexican shithole areas because there's a lot of advantages; they're close to operations, they can manage/ pay off the local authorities more easily, their money goes further, they're often from the area, they can hire staff who can be trusted and so on. Jabba having a base on Tattooine actually makes sense assuming it's a common trade route, and the first movie suggests that Jabba lives there.
Jabba had influence over Tatooine, but I don't think its ever stated in ANH that he resided there, Tatooine was one of the many shitholes far from the law where he had power
by making one of the main criminal figureheads of the galaxy just be stationed in one of the 5 planets we know you are effectively making the universe smaller
>ROTJ was the beginning of the shrinking of the star wars universe. Past this point absolutely everything had to be connected to everything else to a (literal) incestuous degree
Nope. The prequels expanded the universe and lore more than the OT did and it’s not even debatable.
Pretty bad in my opinion. Honestly, I like Plinkett's videos, and I think he makes valid points, but just like Star Wars movies he criticized he himself is very open to criticism. For example, more often than not, and it extends to Half in the Bag and other Stoklasa videos, the big problem is that they criticize a lot of scenes without broader context in mind, it works great for comedy, but movies is a sequential art and some scenes that don't quite make sense in one scene can be brought to a different light in the next scene, and it's something no one except for Rich Evans talk about in RedLetterMedia.
I would like to humbly apologize to all Star Wars fans for making the prequels. They were a rushed, sloppy mess and I was too lazy to write or direct them with any energy or enthusiasm. I understand now that I basically destroyed the franchise which is why I unloaded the whole radioactive mess to Disney.
Once again, I am very sorry for any pain or discomfort the prequels may have caused you. Please forgive me.
It's criminal to me that this stuff gets overlooked
George had a keen eye for talent, regardless of the medium
If I ever get to go to Skywalker Ranch I want to see the Yoda fountain just because I know that's where Dan Gilbert came up with a bunch of his ideas
Universities have no actual sense of oversight for curriculum so everything is decided by teachers, who are inevitably midwits who have read more tweets than books and watched more youtube takes than films. I knew someone who went to a big dollar private school and one of his teachers had them watch Attack on Titan in class.
>today in Career Planning 203 we'll be looking at some examples of what you can do if you fail to succeed in movie business, which will be 90% of you so pay attention
I still love that even after 10 years, Star Wars autists are still sucking dicks of some pretentious internet trolls who don't even care about Star Wars in the first place. Mike is not going to sleep with you, you know.
>I still love that even after 20 years, Star Wars autists are still sucking dick of a money-grubbing hack that doesn't even care about Star Wars in the first place outside of how it can be used to make money off of toys, just because they saw TPM in the theater at age 7. Lucas isn't going to declare your SW slash erotic fan-fiction canon, you know.
RLM making Space Cop does not mean the prequels were better or that they aren't allowed to have an opinion. It does beg the question that if they're qualified enough to criticize Lucas's films for hours, why were they unable to use those critical thinking skills to improve their own?
I don't even care about prequels that much, you idiot. I am just impressed that you are willing to defend RLM of all things to death.
2 years ago
Anonymous
I've only ever watched the prequel reviews but yeah they're fun, what's your issue with them?
2 years ago
Anonymous
>what's your issue with them?
Not him, but it's these reviews going viral that was the tipping point for Lucas when he decided to sell to Disney and the conception of TFA was heavily informed by these reviews.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>>the conception of TFA was heavily informed by these reviews. >m-maybe if I say it enough times it will become true!
2 years ago
Anonymous
How does Kathleen Kennedy's wiener taste?
2 years ago
Anonymous
classic prequelgay deflection
2 years ago
Anonymous
Literally not an argument.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Their criticism of the prequels is scattershot at best. Sometimes they are right, sometimes they are wrong, sometimes they don't bother to do their research, and everybody is treating this review like it's some kind of gospel, while in reality they are just a bunch of shitposters who pretend they are some kind of SW purists, despite their knowledge limiting itself to OT and "People vs George Lucas".
Fricking SFDebris did a more comprehensive analysis of Lucas and prequels, that acknowledged both good and bad that came out of it.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>sometimes they are wrong
What are they wrong about? I think they're like 95% right, there's only minor parts I think deserve criticism >despite their knowledge limiting itself to OT
I mean that is Star Wars to most people. Comics and EU are niche stuff only a minority of people care about. >everybody is treating this review like it's some kind of gospel, while in reality they are just a bunch of shitposters
I think you've just got some made up idea in your head of the kind of people who enjoy the Plinkett reviews.
They're just a fun evisceration of some shitty movies, played up for laughs at the magnitude of a frick up the prequels were in killing the SW franchise. >Fricking SFDebris did a more comprehensive analysis of Lucas and prequels, that acknowledged both good and bad that came out of it.
I don't care about some technical analysis, the Plinkett reviews are just fun. It's hilarious when he deconstructs the entire Padme assassination plot in Clone Wars.
2 years ago
Anonymous
You are fricking reddit incarnate.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Wow you really rebutted all those points excellently
2 years ago
Anonymous
nice deflection moron.
Are you even capable of stringing together a debate that lasts more than two posts?
I think it's much more likely you're the one that browses reddit when one of your main criticisms of RLM is people treating them like gospel
2 years ago
Anonymous
Wow you really rebutted all those points excellently
nice deflection moron.
Are you even capable of stringing together a debate that lasts more than two posts?
I think it's much more likely you're the one that browses reddit when one of your main criticisms of RLM is people treating them like gospel
>doesn't reply
got to love prequelgay cope
2 years ago
Anonymous
>What are they wrong about? I think they're like 95% right, there's only minor parts I think deserve criticism
There are autists smarter than me, who criticized Plinkett for being a disingenious frick, I don't want to copy their essays here. Read up let's say Jim Raynor's rebuttal. Of course Stoklasa will play dumb, pretending not to know who the main character of TPM is supposed to be, or why Qui Gon is doing things he's doing. Lucas gave a pretty good setup of why things are happening, but he dismisses that as boring and then pretends Lucas never explained things in the first place. He's pulling a problem that was never there from his ass and makes a big deal about it. Like with those stupid robes. And it keeps going. >I think you've just got some made up idea in your head of the kind of people who enjoy the Plinkett reviews.
When Simon Pegg tweets this review to Disney execs, you have a problem. >I don't care about some technical analysis,
Well, then maybe you should broaden your horizons, rather than just listen to RLM religuously.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>pretending not to know who the main character of TPM is supposed to be
Who is it then? >or why Qui Gon is doing things he's doing
Because the force tells him to? >I don't want to copy their essays here
I shouldn't need to read some essay to get answers here, they're simple questions. One question can literally be answered with a character's name. >When Simon Pegg tweets this review to Disney execs, you have a problem.
Maybe you should've browse fricking twitter lmao
Can't believe you accused me of browsing reddit when you're going through Simon Pegg's tweets >Well, then maybe you should broaden your horizons, rather than just listen to RLM religuously.
You still don't get it.
I didn't watch the Plinkett reviews for some cerebral analysis of the prequels, they don't even really deserve that.
I don't care about the prequels, it's just funny for the Plinkett reviews to call them out on their shit, like the entire assassination plot from Clone Wars or other massive lapses in logic
2 years ago
Anonymous
>Who is it then?
Qui Gon Jinn. The movie can't be more obvious about it, if it tried. If you haven't caught up on that, you've been watching this movie half-asleep, like Stoklasa. >Maybe you should've browse fricking twitter lmao
Now you are deflecting the fact that those reviews went viral and we all have to suffer for it. >it's just funny for the Plinkett reviews to call them out on their shit,
And it's equally funny to call out Plinkett on his shit, because most of the time, he's not paying attention. This assassination attempt is a perfect example of "make it look like accident" hit.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>Now you are deflecting the fact that those reviews went viral and we all have to suffer for it.
So yeah you're further confirming that you browse shitty social media like Reddit and Twitter where going "viral" matters. >This assassination attempt is a perfect example of "make it look like accident" hit.
They literally had rockets attack Padme's ship in broad daylight. There was no secret she was the target of assassinations. You don't think people would suspect Padme dying suddenly with some bugs in the room and a perfectly cut out hole in the window where they came in after she's already been targeted with missiles?
This has to be the most embarrassing justification for the prequels I've ever seen.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>You don't think people would suspect Padme dying suddenly with some bugs in the room and a perfectly cut out hole in the window where they came in after she's already been targeted with missiles?
Yes, of course everybody knew that Padme was being targeted. The idea behind this plot was not question IF Padme is targeted, but by WHOM. The goal wasn't to "kill Padme". The goal was "kill Padme in a way that is untracable to the mastermind". That's why we have a Sith Lord contracting a bounty hunter contracting another bounty hunter using a droid and worms to deliberately muddle the tracking process. Worm attack would result in a dead Padme and Jedi having nothing to go on, because can you question a worm? The only reason it didn't work out is because the second assassin fricked it up royally and then the story happened. It's not that hard to figure out, if you are not a brainlet.
2 years ago
Anonymous
OK I'll concede the point about making it deliberately hard to trace it back to Palpatine, but that ignores a lot of other issues with the whole scheme, such as: >why, when Padme was on assassination alert, sleeping next to a glass window with droids constantly flying outside >why didn't the droid just shoot Padme as soon as it broke the window >how did Obi-Wan know cartoon logic would save him when he jumps out the window after the droid >why didn't Boba Fett shoot Padme when Anakin rushed off to save Obi-Wan >why did the shapeshifter expose herself in the nightclub when she could have shapeshifted as anyone and waited for them to leave, or just leave in disguise >if Boba Fett was trying to hide his connection to the plot then why did he hang around to kill the shapeshifter in case it went wrong, and in the process expose himself to the Jedi in an obvious way by jetpacking away
2 years ago
Anonymous
>why, when Padme was on assassination alert, sleeping next to a glass window with droids constantly flying outside
To show the assassin she's not afraid. She even says that. >why didn't the droid just shoot Padme as soon as it broke the window
Because, with a shot, the Jedi can figure out the caliber of the weapon and the type of the droid and THAT LEAVES TOO MANY CLUES. >how did Obi-Wan know cartoon logic would save him when he jumps out the window after the droid
You know about the Force, right? >why didn't Boba Fett shoot Padme when Anakin rushed off to save Obi-Wan
It wasn't his job. Also, he risks exposing himself, that's the point. >why did the shapeshifter expose herself in the nightclub when she could have shapeshifted as anyone and waited for them to leave, or just leave in disguise
Because she's panicked? Shit went sour really quick. >if Boba Fett was trying to hide his connection to the plot then why did he hang around to kill the shapeshifter in case it went wrong, and in the process expose himself to the Jedi in an obvious way by jetpacking away
She was about to spill the beans about the mastermind. At this point the entire show was a bust and he just resigned himself to killing her.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>To show the assassin she's not afraid. She even says that.
If she wasn't afraid why didn't she just let herself be killed? Or beat them to it and kill herself. >Because, with a shot, the Jedi can figure out the caliber of the weapon and the type of the droid and THAT LEAVES TOO MANY CLUES.
A biological agent as unique as fricking bugs is going to leave a lot more clues than in a universe where everyone owns a gun. >You know about the Force, right?
What a boring series where the main characters can do whatever they like because they know the force will bail them out. >It wasn't his job.
What? He was the one who hired the shapeshifter wasn't he? It's absolutely his job >Also, he risks exposing himself, that's the point.
But he exposes himself later on by killing the shapeshifter in front of the Jedi
While we're on this subject, the people Palpatine cons get captured a dozen times (like Nute Gunray) and it never gets traced back to him, so all this secrecy seems a little overblown. >Because she's panicked? Shit went sour really quick.
Why did she panic? She's a fricking shapeshifter in a crowded bar with no chance of being detected. >She was about to spill the beans about the mastermind. At this point the entire show was a bust and he just resigned himself to killing her.
If he hired her to protect himself then surely he would have concealed his identity somehow. Otherwise there would be no point in hiring her, she's just a liability when she's clearly an incompetent assassin.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Hey, moron address these points here.
>it's bad because there's no main character >you're only allowed to make movies without a main character if you're martin scorsese or christopher nolan or jim jarmusch etc >apparently aren't aware that Lucas has already made american graffiti, a movie with no singular main character >in the director's commentary he even talks about what he learned from making that film and how to apply it in the phantom menace
You are moronic. How did anybody ever take these hacks seriously?
2 years ago
Anonymous
Lucas did once know how to make movies, or at least he was in the right atmosphere and had the right people around him to make movies. He'd lost that by the time he made the prequels.
I don't know why that's so hard for prequelgays to comprehend, there are tonnes of directors who started out great then faded at the end of their careers; Guy Ritchie, Baz Luhrmann, Quentin Tarantino and so on.
The Plinkett reviews are pretty up front about that, they even ironically quote Lucas from around when he made the OT as saying "A special effect is a tool, a means of telling a story. A special effect without a story is a pretty boring thing" as criticism of the prequel special effects.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>No arguments against any of the points made
2 years ago
Anonymous
lmao what. How did I miss your points?
Just because Lucas made a good movie without a main character in the past that doesn't mean he did the same with the Phantom Menace
2 years ago
Anonymous
No you homosexual. Why are you using "There's no main character" as a criticism then? It's wholly reductive and is not representative of movies or storytelling as a whole.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>Why are you using "There's no main character" as a criticism then?
I'm not Mike, settle down autist >It's wholly reductive and is not representative of movies or storytelling as a whole.
I agree it's not a great criticism, Lucas potentially could have made it work, but it's just unusual for a kid's movie, especially one that's meant to be a prequel to the original series which has very straightforward character roles and which works. Mike explicitly says that, of course you can have an unconventional story without a main character, it just doesn't work here because the characters have no character.
There isn't a good reason for this character split either, Mike makes a good point that Kenobi and Qui Gon could have been one character and it would have made for a good story, all separating them does is: >pumps up Kenobi for le epic revenge with Darth Maul >forces Kenobi into training Anakin even though he doesn't want to
2 years ago
Anonymous
>I'm not Mike, settle down autist
You were specifically the one using the same criticism tard bag.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>pretending not to know who the main character of TPM is supposed to be, or why Qui Gon is doing things he's doing
Has RLM rotted your mind? You were the one that brought it up here
>What are they wrong about? I think they're like 95% right, there's only minor parts I think deserve criticism
There are autists smarter than me, who criticized Plinkett for being a disingenious frick, I don't want to copy their essays here. Read up let's say Jim Raynor's rebuttal. Of course Stoklasa will play dumb, pretending not to know who the main character of TPM is supposed to be, or why Qui Gon is doing things he's doing. Lucas gave a pretty good setup of why things are happening, but he dismisses that as boring and then pretends Lucas never explained things in the first place. He's pulling a problem that was never there from his ass and makes a big deal about it. Like with those stupid robes. And it keeps going. >I think you've just got some made up idea in your head of the kind of people who enjoy the Plinkett reviews.
When Simon Pegg tweets this review to Disney execs, you have a problem. >I don't care about some technical analysis,
Well, then maybe you should broaden your horizons, rather than just listen to RLM religuously.
>who the main character of TPM is supposed to be, or why Qui Gon is doing things he's doing.
All I did was ask who you thought the main character was, because it's a genuine question.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Different anon, moron. Thats why I asked you address me as well.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>moron kun goes silent.
2 years ago
Anonymous
No you can’t remove Qui Gonn. He’s specifically there to explain the importance of Anakin and show that Obi Wan is still in training and a padawan and isn’t prepared to train Anakin but does it anyway because it was his masters dying request. It makes the story more interesting that Obi Wan is partially to blame for Anakins downfall.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>He’s specifically there to explain the importance of Anakin and show that Obi Wan is still in training and a padawan and isn’t prepared to train Anakin but does it anyway because it was his masters dying request. It makes the story more interesting that Obi Wan is partially to blame for Anakins downfall.
This is a fricking awful reason for Anakin's training and downfall, Qui-Gon isn't allowed to train Anakin against the wisdom of the council, but suddenly Kenobi is allowed because it was his dying request?
And it totally fricks up their relationship, Anakin is just an obligation to him, and suddenly Anakin is evil from the start instead of being a brave, good hearted person who was seduced by evil.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Not him but I think you're just being a moron on purpose and discussing anything with you is a waste of time as you'll do nothing besides misunderstand simple shit and twist words
this is a warning to other anons, don't bothering replying to dumb posts. actually just get off Cinemaphile every post here is bullshit
in fact wtf am I doing?
goodbye
2 years ago
Anonymous
You didn’t pay attention to the movie. Kenobi was going to train him regardless if the council agreed too or not he says this. Is it not better for Yoda to say “fine you can train him” because then at least they can keep an eye on Anakin? It wasn’t Anakins entire reason for turning the main reason was obviously Padme but when you have an inexperienced Obi Wan training him and a council of Jedi who are afraid of training him or don’t trust him it adds layers too the story. Everyone being partly to blame for Anakins turn is way more interesting than if George had mad it a black and white “He thought the dark side was more powerful and turned” storyline.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>If she wasn't afraid why didn't she just let herself be killed? Or beat them to it and kill herself.
...Have you really just asked that stupid question? You know that "we don't negotiate with terrorists" means? >A biological agent as unique as fricking bugs is going to leave a lot more clues than in a universe where everyone owns a gun.
Gun can be traced to a manufacturer, who have the lists of clients. Bugs are, well BUGS. The most the Jedi would find out that they come from a jungle planet of Ghawalaana or something, which tells them nothing. >What a boring series where the main characters can do whatever they like because they know the force will bail them out.
"Through The Force, Things You Will See. Other Places. The Future, The Past. Old Friends Long Gone." - The Empire Strikes Back (1980)
I guess you don't like Star Wars. What the frick is even that argument for? Also, PREDICTING FUTURE? >He was the one who hired the shapeshifter wasn't he?
Yeah. Shapeshifter was doing the hit, not Jango. Jango was possibly coordinating. >But he exposes himself later on by killing the shapeshifter in front of the Jedi
He actually doesn't. Because Obi-Wan still doesn't know who the frick he is and how to trace him. It's the deus ex machina 50's diner that lead him onto Jango's track. >Why did she panic?
Because the entire mission went sour and she's about to be killed either by Jedi, or Jango or Sidious? >If he hired her to protect himself then surely he would have concealed his identity somehow.
At this point, she's just a loose end that knows too much.
Dude, this entire plot is not difficult to understand, you are just nitpicking.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>...Have you really just asked that stupid question? You know that "we don't negotiate with terrorists" means?
Do you even know what that means? You don't negotiate with terrorists because it rewards terrorists and encourages future terror acts. How does that apply here? It has zero relevance, if Padme's killed then she's killed.
And besides, do you think George Bush used to stand near open windows with minimal security detail to send a message?
I don't think Padme sleeping in a poorly protected space where nobody can see her doing it achieves anything or sends any message. >Bugs are, well BUGS. The most the Jedi would find out that they come from a jungle planet of Ghawalaana or something, which tells them nothing.
They can be traced to a dealer of bugs, the type of people to have experience with them. It's obviously a unique assassination method that would only be employed by a few people. >Gun can be traced to a manufacturer, who have the lists of clients.
This is a universe where battle droids and clones are produced in massive quantities for wars. You seriously don't think black market guns don't exist? You steal a gun from a factory and when it's traced back there they say it's stolen. >I guess you don't like Star Wars. What the frick is even that argument for?
The force's powers are clearly limited, if you have a universe where people can do whatever the frick they want because of the force then there's no point to anything. >Also, PREDICTING FUTURE?
What? >Yeah. Shapeshifter was doing the hit, not Jango. Jango was possibly coordinating.
So the assassin hired an assassin to kill someone and you're saying it's not the first assassin's job to kill her because he hired the second assassin?
2 years ago
Anonymous
>I don't think Padme sleeping in a poorly protected space where nobody can see her doing it achieves anything or sends any message.
Oh, my sweet summer child, you actually haven't watched the movie. Between the Jedi, R2D2 and the entire room being wired, Padme was VERY well protected. >They can be traced to a dealer of bugs
What dealer of bugs? Jango just picked some of them on a vacation trip. You know, for his son. It's not his fault they run away. >You seriously don't think black market guns don't exist?
It exists. And it's actually way easier to track, because most of the black market shit is custom. Lore, b***h. >What?
That. Kenobi knew when to jump, because Jedi can see the future. That was the plot point in every Star Wars movie ever. >So the assassin hired an assassin to kill someone and you're saying it's not the first assassin's job to kill her because he hired the second assassin?
Yes, you are talking in circles.
Frick it, I am done with this discussion.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>Between the Jedi, R2D2 and the entire room being wired, Padme was VERY well protected.
And yet they couldn't detect a drone right outside the window? In a city where drones and hovercroft constantly fly past the window? Made out of glass thin enough that Kenobi can jump right through it. >What dealer of bugs? Jango just picked some of them on a vacation trip. You know, for his son. It's not his fault they run away.
Aren't you vehemently arguing the shapeshifter assassin was doing her own assassination attempt and removed from Jango? That was your original argument as to why Jango didn't shoot Padme as soon as the Jedi chased after her
And again, anyone using bugs will be well trained and knowledgeable on them, probably will come from a planet where they exist. For example, if a unique human poison is used irl they look at similar times it's been used, look at people with advanced chemistry knowledge, things like that. Because it's so niche it's going to be much more easier to trace than a gun in a world which must have millions of guns >And it's actually way easier to track, because most of the black market shit is custom. Lore, b***h.
Sounds like lazy comics writing to me >That. Kenobi knew when to jump, because Jedi can see the future. That was the plot point in every Star Wars movie ever.
lmao. Again this is a fricking terrible concept, that Jedi are so powerful they can do shit like this. There isn't anything in the movies to suggest they're this omniscient. >inb4 gay EU explanation
>Yes, you are talking in circles.
Look at my earlier point about the bugs lmao
Do you not understand how assassinations work? Jango takes the contract to kill Padme for money. He gives some of that money to the second assassin, presumably at a lower fee. There's no reason for him to say "well it's the second assassin's job to kill her, I can't be bothered" because that means no money for him. Him going after Padme when the Jedi chase after her is a perfect opportunity.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>Sweet summer child
have a nice day times 10 you fricking Reddit moron
2 years ago
Anonymous
>...Have you really just asked that stupid question? You know that "we don't negotiate with terrorists" means?
Do you even know what that means? You don't negotiate with terrorists because it rewards terrorists and encourages future terror acts. How does that apply here? It has zero relevance, if Padme's killed then she's killed.
And besides, do you think George Bush used to stand near open windows with minimal security detail to send a message?
I don't think Padme sleeping in a poorly protected space where nobody can see her doing it achieves anything or sends any message. >Bugs are, well BUGS. The most the Jedi would find out that they come from a jungle planet of Ghawalaana or something, which tells them nothing.
They can be traced to a dealer of bugs, the type of people to have experience with them. It's obviously a unique assassination method that would only be employed by a few people. >Gun can be traced to a manufacturer, who have the lists of clients.
This is a universe where battle droids and clones are produced in massive quantities for wars. You seriously don't think black market guns don't exist? You steal a gun from a factory and when it's traced back there they say it's stolen. >I guess you don't like Star Wars. What the frick is even that argument for?
The force's powers are clearly limited, if you have a universe where people can do whatever the frick they want because of the force then there's no point to anything. >Also, PREDICTING FUTURE?
What? >Yeah. Shapeshifter was doing the hit, not Jango. Jango was possibly coordinating.
So the assassin hired an assassin to kill someone and you're saying it's not the first assassin's job to kill her because he hired the second assassin?
>He actually doesn't. Because Obi-Wan still doesn't know who the frick he is and how to trace him.
Ok so you admit that him seeing Jango jetpack off is not very useful info. In that case he could have killed Padme himself, jetpacked off and been in no danger of exposure, he didn't need to hire the second assassin. >Because the entire mission went sour and she's about to be killed either by Jedi, or Jango or Sidious?
She's a trained assassin who can fricking shapeshift, if she has half a brain and has been in her line of work for longer than a day she should know how to shapeshift into a nobody and wait out the Jedi, or better yet walk out. >or Jango or Sidious?
Isn't the whole point of hiring her, by your own admission, to cover up any links back to Sidious or Jango? She wouldn't be aware of any danger with them >Dude, this entire plot is not difficult to understand, you are just nitpicking.
Be real with yourself, the entire scheme is moronic and has so many holes in logic.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>the entire scheme is moronic and has so many holes in logic.
Dude, you are the one autistically nitpicking the frick out ot the very straightforward action piece, just to prove your husbando Mike Stoklasa was right.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Because the whole point was to lead Obi Wan to Kamino and find the clone army to kickstart the civil war
2 years ago
Anonymous
I guess if you have to pick a main character it's Qui Gonn, but I can definitely understand Mike's confusion, he doesn't really have the hallmarks of a protagonist. He doesn't do much except show an interest in Anakin.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>He doesn't do much except show an interest in Anakin.
He's driving the plot around him. He's pushing the story forward.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>This assassination attempt is a perfect example of "make it look like accident" hit.
Who's not paying attention to the movie?
2 years ago
Anonymous
>it's bad because there's no main character >you're only allowed to make movies without a main character if you're martin scorsese or christopher nolan or jim jarmusch etc >apparently aren't aware that Lucas has already made american graffiti, a movie with no singular main character >in the director's commentary he even talks about what he learned from making that film and how to apply it in the phantom menace
You are moronic. How did anybody ever take these hacks seriously?
>millennials tastes in film criticism literally have not evolved at all to the point where they are teaching youtube videos at school
why are they so embarrassing and stupid bros
> complaining about filming school because it fails to make you enter the filming industry > not complaining about the actual reasons you cannot enter filming industry: relations and nepotism
This is the kind of job you have to "know people" no matter how insanely talented you might be.
Like business school, those place are not here to teach you anything but hopefully make you meet the right people.
I used to like RLM's criticism of the prequels but now that I've grown up, I've realized how stupid and reductive a lot of his points are. Don't get me wrong, there's a lot of stuff that you can thrash the prequels for, but Plinkett's review is complete garbage. It really shows in influencing other shitty movie reviewing Youtubers. Their perception of art is inherently limited and formed by nothing but pop culture. Which is fine, except for when you try to start gatekeeping art based on your own ignorance.
>charging 50k to hear a fatfrick brainlet say "this doesn't make sense" every 5 minutes.
How do you do this without feeling an incredible amount of shame and embarrassment?
RLM are the living embodiment of the smug, detached Gen-X ethos.
I'd venture to guess none of them has felt a single sincere conviction about anything since childhood. They exist as polyps upon the colon of culture, satiating themselves on the perceived failures of others (i.e. "The Man") while adding nothing new to the discourse aside from ironic complaint.
They're a group of insecure, lost, rapidly aging burnouts who silently believe they could do a better job of making films than the professionals in the industry. Yet they lack the ambition and ability to actually enter the very industry they're obsessed with. They choose instead to frick around and make student film piss-takes well into middle age.
They are awful, awful people. I've met thousands just like them, and the last thing we need is for these people to gain any attention for their navel gazing.
Please, Cinemaphile, do not aspire to become anything like these people. Theirs is a lonely road leading to depression and a life devoid of real purpose.
I hope they disappear and their disaffected followers stop subsidizing their lifestyle. Perhaps that would force them to do something productive with themselves.
The rlm crew describing different star wars characters was the the perfect critique.
It alone is enough to define one movie with han solo and 3dcpo as good, and the movie with queen amadala and quick on gin as probably bad.
>listening to Mike Stoklasa's fricksquad be stupid for 20 minutes is the perfect critique
Just when I thought RLMdrones couldn't get be any dumber, you come along.
I would've thought that students would find the serial killer/ugly wife jokes "problematic". Unless the teachers edit out Plinkett fricking his cat or spraying his hot semen all over the Olsen twins
>plinkettdrones: trust fund kids regurgitating every opinion from their internet daddy and droning film grad students without an iota of critical thinking >prequelCHADS: many independent theses on the merits of the prequels, from video essays, to online communities, to actual presentations by professors and doctors on George Lucas's genius
Yep, not very surprised here.
- Is a consumer of mass-appeal blockbusters, lowest common denominator fare and camp
- Didn't like the prequels because the heroes/villains were unclear, which is kind of the point of the prequels
- Pointed to Star Trek '09 as an example of what modern Star Wars should be like
- Doesn't even like Return of the Jedi that much
- Has never seen a movie by Ford, Kurosawa, Lean, Hawks, Leone, Riefenstahl, Keaton, or any of the visionaries who inspired Lucas, or the genres and styles he's blending/paying homage to
- Refuses to admit that THX 1138 and American Graffiti are good
- Refuses to credit Lucas with Indiana Jones despite him coming up with all of the stories and characters
- Thinks Star Wars is only good because it was 'saved in the edit', even though saving a movie is literally what editing does and applies to all movies, not to mention that Lucas was an uncredited editor on the final cut
- Has never made a good film, despite pursing a career in filmmaking
Whereas Lucas
- Made his first movie using one minute of film given to each student in his class, which ended up winning awards
- Was an avante garde 'cinéma pur' artist who rejected Hollywood and made numerous experimental kinos
- Made THX 1138
- Made American Graffiti
- Made the best Buck Rogers/Flash Gordon pulp space opera of all time just to see if he could do it
- Did it five more times
- Created Indiana Jones
- Precipitated an unprecedented jump in effects technology and established a studio which continues to innovate today
- Used his wealth to fund world cinema and help independent filmmakers
- Has given literal billions to charity, educational organisations, and various philanthropic enterprises
- Is humble and cool despite being based as frick
>Didn't like the prequels because the heroes/villains were unclear
lol Strawman. They never made that criticism. The heroes and villains in the prequels are laughably one-dimensional. The main criticisms of the prequels are the sterile, green screen environments, the bland acting, the lack of clear protagonist and lazy cannibalising of the OT.
Doomposting aside I think this segment in isolation is a fine way to explain to the uninitiated why the prequels weren't the cultural phenomenon the OT was; the first trilogy had simple relatable archetypes and the second one had stoic and alienating ones. The point is to show why the newer films didn't make as big a connection, not why they're bad
The reviews are edited for comedy, while marginally making a point, but if "Qui-Gon isn't a character" is something that actually resonates for you instead of "Qui-Gon is a Jedi hippie who does his own thing" then you didn't want to pay attention to begin with.
there is nothing in The Phantom Menace that implies he's a "Jedi hippie" because he doesn't have a character. EU content that actually gives him a character doesn't count.
>earn $10,000 each month >don't even bother to do plinkett reviews >don't bother to even review the star wars movies, just give it a year so others do your work for you >don't even review things people want
honestly, they've lost IT.
I hate rlm because they are fat nobodies. But that's based, frick anyone who likes the prequels, the prequel cartoons and Disney Wars. I am with rlm when it comes to shitting on star wars that is not the originals.
I hate rlm because they are fat nobodies. But that's based, frick anyone who likes the prequels, the prequel cartoons and Disney Wars. I am with rlm when it comes to shitting on star wars that is not the originals.
YUP, THEY JUST DONT MAKE THEM STAR WARS LIKE THEY USED TOO NO MORE. BACK IN MY DAY THERE WASNT NONE OF THIS KIDDIE CRAP!!!
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Hey fellow prequel fans, you claim Lucas had groundbreaking worldbuilding, yet the clone wars have zero impact on anything, apparently THERE ARE HEROES ON BOTH SIDES!!!! That a look at this Coruscant city, nothing seems out of the ordinary. Also both sides? Are we supposed to give a frick about the clone wars? How fricking boring. >Side A is made up of stupid souless robots >Side B has disposable clones, the writing is so bad, they had to invent inhibitor chips because the movies show absolutely NO reason for them to rebel against the Jedi. Also this is another reminder that your cartoon show is for babies, they cant show any crimes committed on purpose or basically any real real human people dying. What a fricking joke, if you shill for the prequels, at least admit its fricking bad and you like a product for children, dont start acting like its shakespeare because youre insecure.
Lucasbros...
>taking lessons from failed film directors at a film school
they should watch space cop
they'll learn A LOT from that.
only brainlets use the ad hominem fallacy
telling people to watch space cop isn't an ad hom, mike.
it is brainlet, when you used it to say "SEE? HE'S NOT PERFECT EITHER"
textbook ad hominem from brainlets.
>Why critics shouldn't make films
It is always easier to destroy something than it is to build it
But that doesn't make it OK to build a skyscraper out of cardboard and then complain that people are telling you the building is shit
Imagine listening to the people who made space cop criticize the person who made the most successful movie franchise of all time and pioneered movie technology.
I always watched them for entertainment, not to learn anything.
Why are you crying, manchild? Shouldn't you stop watching cartoons at your age?
Shouldn’t you be donating to watch fat guys cry about Star Trek
You watch RLM you fat homosexual loser
I mean I don't disagree with you.
Lucas may be all that, but he didn't invent Sissy hypno
You ever hear the phrase “you don’t need to be a chef to know when the food tastes like shit”?
Why are moron zoomers like you so hellbent on making people like the prequels when they’ve been hated for as long as they’ve existed? Open your eyes and ears so you can understand the Star Wars fanbase is so massive that it’ll appear as if there’s a lot of people who love the prequels, but that’s obviously not the majority of people.
No anon you are the first to ever mention this banger of a phrase, truly a hidden gem of rhetoric you've found there
>the majority of people.
Tell me why should anyone care?
The movie exist as standalone digital files, you can download them anytime you want and judge them in isolation.
>You ever hear the phrase “you don’t need to be a chef to know when the food tastes like shit”?
Never, you're the first one to mention it bro.
Tell me, from whom would you rather take lessons: Lucas or some fatfrick who fails at making movies but does reviews for le lulz?
>some fatfrick who fails at making movies
That IS Lucas.
>when the food tastes like shit
How can you tell if the food's shit or it just doesn't fit your palate?
>when they’ve been hated for as long as they’ve existed
They were considered middling-good at the time. Revenge of the Sith was generally praised.
the plinkett reviews are useful if you want to improve your story and character writing skills. They make extremely good points regardless of your personal opinion on the prequels or RLM
I agree, they're not massively educational but they are a fun way to learn basic concepts. The bit where he asks people to explain characters without describing what they look like or what their job is is hilarious.
lmfao. if your bar for needing to improve is being better than the star wars prequels maybe give up
Have you seen the state of modern media?
>MUH STORY
AHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHA
Space cop is exactly like they wanted it to be
The fact that you don't "get it" is your problem
frick off, rich.
Shut it, Jay
eat shit homosexual. Space cop is a cop out and you know it. They hide behind "it's just a joke" because they suck shit. They should not be taken seriously.
This moronic slubs can't even find movies they like to talk about. They are TRASH.
They're taken seriously because they make good arguments. You don't need to be able to make a film to criticise them.
They wanted it to be unfunny and boring?
>prestige of any sort = it's perfect and it/the creator can't be questioned
>financial success = creative talent
What is it with modern Cinemaphile, especially Prequel cultists, and just worshipping established "authorities" in ther industry and becoming hostile if they are even questioned, let alone criticized? Think for yourself, drone. Nobody respects your Sacred Cows. They are up for beinh slaughtered just like all the rest.
George Lucas has talent in some areas but major deficienes in others. The Prequels have story, world-building and narrative problems even a child could recognize, let alone an adult with writing and film making experience.
Additionally, Space Cop was a stupid indie-film they did for fun with their spare time on a shoe-string budget, and for that specific genre even at that it's surprisingly polished. Having at least some experience in film-making; independent or for a hobby or otherwise; makes Mike and company MORE qualified as film-critics rather than LESS. In fact that makes them more "qualified" to talk about film than most """film critics""" these days who have literally never held a camera.
imagine spewing all this midwit drivel only to immediately make yourself a hypocrite by defending the imaginary honour of your “established” e celeb
The frick are you talking about? Schizoid. I'm shitting on YOU. I am pointing out the moronation in YOUR argument. I don't give a frick about Mike or what people think or don't think about him. I am pointing out that YOU are factually, and provably, incorrect.
Yikes. You're giga-moronic.
You drones are easy to destroy and do nothing but seethe. Never providing a single argument it's just... I was told to hate X thing therefore I hate it.. what do you mean why I hate it? You're a moron!!!
Irony wrapping around in on itself
>the most successful movie franchise of all time
Kardashian or Hannah Bananah are popular and successful, so?
>and pioneered movie technology.
He didn't pioneer shit moron. Watch an older Tarkovsky sci fi movie and be blown the frick out if you want true kino. Plastic dolls look like shit.
Love when brainlets like you use this argument to say someone's arguments are incorrect. In truth, this heuristic is only useful when you have to decide whether person X is worth listening to before you've heard anything from them. But after anyone makes an argument or statement, the truth value of that is independent from the person who said it.
>Prequels are bad.
Is not an argument.
You're right. It's a statement of fact.
Wrong.
they're not mutually exclusive contidtions and you're a gay for thinking they are
Lose some weight plink.
The greatest critic isn't always the best creator and vice versa, they are 2 completely different skills.
>the person who made the most successful movie franchise of all time and pioneered movie technology.
The fat old frick shit on his own work, homosexual. He deserved everything he got.
>HE DOESN'T KNOW HOW TO MAKE A GOOD MOVIE THERE FOR HE CAN'T CRITIQUE A MOVIE
Dunning Kruger effect on full display here lads.
The biggest condemnation is that:
1) They intentionally left out a lot of what Lucas was trying to achieve and other context to say DUR DIS SCRIPT AND CHARACTER IS TEH STOOPIDZ
2) Financially the prequels didn't fail and they coincided with the Golden Age of the Star Wars franchise as well as directly spawning many beloved spin offs and characters
All while RLM's ideas have been realized with TFA and other sequels which did flop (domestically) and which haven't created any beloved characters or spin offs and turned the franchise into an actual joke. And their one attempt to create a movie, Space Flop, was an embarrassing failure which was a complete disaster for them by every metric despite them doing their best to make it succeed.
>prequels were Golden Age of the franchise
yeah because you were a toddler
there is that and also that awful, goofy voice that is hard to listen to. Someone should tell him to stop doing that voice. He also does it in space cop and it's the reason I will never watch that shit moovie.
(0:35 sec mark)
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imagine caring about anything
Space Cop was intentionally bad. It wasn’t actually bad. It was good.
>UHHHHHH HOW DARE YOUR CRITICIZE THE PRESIDENT IF NEVER WON ANY ELECTIONS IN YOUR LIFE
if you see someone arguing like this, you just know he's a brainlet
>pioneered movie technology
. . . in the 70's only to forever ruin it in the 90's.
SHOOTING THE RODEO
WHEN ARE THE TWO GUYS GOING TO KISS ONSCREEN?
Good, the Baby's Day Out review should be required viewing
absolutely based, star trek generations and baby's day out are best plinkett reviews. cop dog is kino as well.
You conned me into watching the Baby's Day Out review for 3 minutes. This boring monotone frickwit sounds like he's actually lecturing at a university.
Threadly reminder that we have Mike Stoklasa to thank for the way the sequel trilogy shaped out. Disney definately took his criticims to heart.
Thank you, Mike.
Well yeah they are objectively better than the prequels
Lol if that were remotely true they wouldn't have sucked so hard.
If they DID "listen to his critiscisms" they apparently didn't listen very well.
What, did they receive Mike's "feedback" through a tin-can on a string, mumbled by a moron from the other end reading them out after they had been auto-translated by Google to Japanese and then back to English 10+ times?
The Prequel reviews were very, very, influential, and they were right at the height of the Lucas hate era. If you dig back in old tweets you'll see actual celebs and actors tweeting and talking about them. Roger Ebert even talked about them.
So these reviews would have been summarized as "what the fans want" and taken as part of the plan for the sequel trilogy. And again the sequels 100% adhere to everything in the prequel review's suggestions to what to avoid and what to do.
JJ, like Mike, is an original trilogy nostalgist so they're totally on the same level and Mike if given 200 million would likely have made The Force Awakens.
>And again the sequels 100% adhere to everything in the prequel review's suggestions to what to avoid and what to do.
They don't though, multiple people in this thread have said they don't and you've ignored all the arguments
prequelgays are literally delusional and won't accept any criticism that challenges their worldview
>JJ, like Mike, is an original trilogy nostalgist so they're totally on the same level and Mike if given 200 million would likely have made The Force Awakens.
Like I've already pointed out (but you seem to be intentionally ignoring) the sequels are chock full of cheap nostalgiabait as well. Fricking C3PO is in them, and built by Anakin, wow!
if i tell you youre fat and then you die of starvation from fasting, thats still not my fault for you being a moron
>Threadly reminder that we have J.J. Abrams "mystery box" salesman pitch, feminism, Disney's decision to do a remake and not a sequel, and Disney's decision to not plan out a full trilogy to thank for the way the sequel trilogy shaped out.
The most powerful man in Hollywood.
PREQUELSCHIZOS BTFO YET AGAIN
No wonder film is dead in the USA.
Film school is literally for morons so it fits.
They didn't say anything of value so they had to incorpate bad youtube jokes to make sure people kept watching, every clickbait video does the same thing.
Mike and jays egos don’t need to get any bigger
It's over. Mike won.
>NOOOOOOO MY NARRATIVE THAT WASNT HOW IT WAS SUPPOSED TO GO AAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHH
Prequelgays, much like the left, can't meme. Ironic really, considering they have a whole subreddit dedicated to their failed meme attempts
sister are you lost?
>getting into debt to watch movies
this was somewhat acceptable 20 years ago but everyone knows now there are nojobs, why the frick are people still doing this
You mocked him, but he was right.
Tarantula, I kneel
explains why he just rips off other films
oh it shows quentin it shows
Imagine paying 20k a year to attend a class where they play red letter media youtube videos to fill in the time.
Also, those videos are ass and have aged terribly whilst the prequels are now widely appreciated. Lucas won in the end.
prequels are appreciated purely because of how shit the sequels were
And the sequels were made by following RLMs guidelines almost word for word.
Lmao no they weren't.
When did RLM recommend to do a star wars movie focusing on the Skywalker family AGAIN, and have no planned story or ideas.
Like the first sequel showed some promise. Likable characters, sure it was hitting a lot of the same beats but maybe it was a safe intro and there was a plan. Why wouldn't there be a plan for a billion+ dollar franchise?!
And then the other movies came out and it became clear there was literally no plan and the story was all random crap.
the first prequel is still terrible with pretty unlikable characters
But ST wasn't focusing on the Skywalker family in the slightest.
Rewatch their reviews again.
Every complaint they had about PT was adressed in the TFA. Too much politics in PT? ST has no politics, and no worldbuilding. PT is too different from the OT? ST is aping the OT again. PT cinematography is too ststic? ST has shaky cam. PT fights are overdesigned? ST has lame and poor lightsaber fights. PT characters have lame dialogue? ST characters wisecrack every five minutes because that makes them "relatable". Disney even brought JJ Abrams on board.
>PT is too different from the OT? ST is aping the OT again
They literally complain in the ROTS review about how the prequels are nostalgiabait
>PT cinematography is too ststic? ST has shaky cam. PT fights are overdesigned? ST has lame and poor lightsaber fights. PT characters have lame dialogue? ST characters wisecrack every five minutes because that makes them "relatable"
All of these are examples of nuDisney/ capeshit film standards of the last decade, it's got nothing to do with RLM and they've even complained about a lot of this in the sequel reviews
Stop wasting your time arguing with RLMgays. Just make fun of them.
Here's the part where they point out how Lucas just rehashed shit from the original movies like the sequels do
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Pretty much nothing he said about the reviews is right though
Themes being cyclical is not the same as retelling the same story beat for beat like TFA did it. While TPM has some themes that are similar, it doesn't rehash the same fricking plot.
Did you even watch that clip? It's not about themes, it's just trying to copy stuff from the original movies but it doesn't make sense, like the Jedi all wearing the robes that Obi-Wan and the other people on Tattooine do because they live on a desert, or giving everyone lightsabers.
Motherfricker, robed Jedi has been a thing since Tales of the Jedi at least, probably far eariler than that. They are suppose to invoke the combo of Asian and European monk. RLM doesn't seem to know that, because they only care about the OT and nothing else.
>Tales of the Jedi
Some comic shit made after the OT? Why does that excuse something clearly illogical, like why is Uncle Owen dressed up as a Jedi?
>RLM doesn't seem to know that, because they only care about the OT and nothing else.
Yeah, like normal people. I'm sorry but most people don't care about kids comics.
wasn't anakin's ghost in RotJ wearing the same robes Obi-Wan did? why would he do that if he wasn't living on a desert?
Because he came from Tattooine
Yes. And so was Yoda. He also wasn't living on a desert planet.
>Yes. And so was Yoda. He also wasn't living on a desert planet.
He was a retired hermit in a swamp. The robes cover the body which makes it being a puppet easier. Not giving the Jedi a real and different set of robes that wasn't the same as Tatooine's style is a problem. It should have been something with colour but also dignity.
That, or we can just decide that Jedi wear fricking robes like Lucas always intended and move on, instead of going with those mental gymnastics.
His robes don't look anything like the ones Obi-Wan wears, they're more like rags
The whole idea where everything has to be cyclical and rhyming is what ruined star wars in the first place.
Every single fight in the star wars universe, including the old republic cg trailers is some variation of Luke vs Vader
>Villain is obviously superior to Hero but Hero shows signs of potential and will possibly overcome in the future
>Hero fighting Villain and Villain gains upperhand until Hero starts tapping into his emotions and tard-raging until he beats the villain. Hero ends up taking the high road and sparing the villain until the villain kills himself through his own doing or turns to good
in ROTJ it was implied that sparing someone as evil as Vader and turning him from dark to light is near impossible and something only the love of a son for his father could've done. But in the expanded universe (even before disney) it seems like more often than not the hero always takes the higher ground and spares the villain
That's Hero's Journey 101. Star Wars is a fairytale in space and that's how it works and that's what everyone expects. The themes will repeat themselves, the plot shouldn't.
is obviously superior to Hero but Hero shows signs of potential and will possibly overcome in the future
>>Hero fighting Villain and Villain gains upperhand until Hero starts tapping into his emotions and tard-raging until he beats the villain. Hero ends up taking the high road and sparing the villain until the villain kills himself through his own doing or turns to good
Literally every anime ever
That's not addressing those complaints at all. That's just giving you a pile of different colored shit.
Reddit spacing please we don't need the Spaces like Intelligent readers
Rich always says star wars has no story or possibilities without the Skywalker
Because he's a boneheaded idiot. That's the issue with RLM. They barely know or care about Star Wars outside of maybe ANH and yet everybody is listening to them like gospel, not realizing the irony.
Keep performing those mental gymnastics and ignoring any valid criticism in this thread sweatie, maybe if you say it enough times it'll become true!
>she's using "sweetie" unironically
>sweatie
>used unironically
is this your first day on Cinemaphile kiddo?
Why do I keep seeing morons push this bullshit claim?
The FRICK are you talking about? HOW were the Sequels "based on Mike's advice"? About the only argumrnt for that is the coincidental selection if JJ Abrams to direct, which Mike referenced as a possibility in a 5 second throw-away joke in a fricking Star Trek movie review.
Are you people legitimately derranged? You reference imaginary events and factoids as if they were real.
>About the only argumrnt for that is the coincidental selection if JJ Abrams to direct, which Mike referenced as a possibility in a 5 second throw-away joke in a fricking Star Trek movie review.
Even then he never said JJ should write the sequels, which is probably the bigger issue
>Are you people legitimately derranged?
Well yeah, we're prequelgays
>Are you people legitimately derranged?
You have to be to still insist after twenty years that the prequels are good
They're the masters in mental gymnastics, their biggest argument that the prequels are good is to claim the sequels are bad, because that somehow makes the prequels good. Or that RLM is responsible for all prequel hate and that makes any criticism of the prequels invalid.
Kek here's an example of classic "b-but the sequels are bas too!" mental gymnastics right here
lmao
yes. impossible that all of star wars is terrible trash. one trash is newer so it makes the old trash not-trash.
sound logic you moronic shill.
Clone Wars era content is still more popular than the OT with Star War's key demographic 20 years later.
Episode 2 is the greatest sci fi movie ever made from a creatively conceptual point of view.
Best post ITT
Episode II is an amazing achievement in Cinema. You could teach an entire class just about that film's denouement.
>whilst the prequels are now widely appreciated
Lol on what fricking planet, moron?
Prequel kiddies who saw them at age 8 now being old enough to write-out semi-literate screeds on the Internet they can dupe people into thinking are "academic" does not mean that the Prequels have now suddenly been "redeemed" in any way in the public consciousness. Last I checked any non-Autist over the age of like 20 still thought they were laughable garbage.
>Last I checked any non-Autist over the age of like 20 still thought they were laughable garbage.
So check again. It's the sequels that showed what "laughable garbage" really is. At least PT had a fricking plot.
>Disney Sequels bad
>Therefore Prequels good
Why do morons keep stating this like an argument over and over again? It's not an argument. They're both dog-shit. Arguably in different ways for different reasons, but still dog-shit.
>Lol on what fricking planet, moron?
On the same planet where the Obi-Wan Kenobi series, despite being shit, garnered bigger viewership than all previous Disney+ outings including Loki, The Falcon and the Winter Soldier and even the Fricking Mandalorian.
You know that RLM adored Obi Wan, right?
Doesn't change the fact that the very existence of that show is pure prequelgay pandering and nothing beyond that
How is that proof that people love the prequels now?
The unfathomable stupidity of Disneyshills is unfathomable
Explain it to me as though I were a simpleton then, I don't get it
Because Kenobi has an actor from the prequels (McGregor) it means that the prequels are good? I like McGregor too, he's one of the few things I like from the prequels.
I haven't seen Kenobi btw
Anon, I hate to break it to you, but the Obi Wan show and the SW Prequels are two different pieces of media. They were made at different times, by different people, more than a decade apart. In fact, the "Prequels" are three movies, while the Obi Wan show is.....well, a multi-episode show.
People watching one doesn't mean they liked, or have even seen, the other.
>Last I checked any non-Autist over the age of like 20 still though
The average person over 20 watched the films, thought they were fun, and moved on with their lives you dip
This is good to see. At least future generations will learn how shitty the prequels were. Perhaps they will succeed where millennials failed.
>pay $50,000 a year to go to college
>professor just puts on youtube videos he likes
Why is America like this?
Why do people from your country literally come to ours FOR the universities?
this isn't just america we just get given prerecorded shit and I live in the UK
sometimes I forget the generation that grew up with youtube are becoming teachers, doctors, engineers
Can't wait for the ipad kids
He invented long form video essays.
Yes but like all poineers hes flauded
not really
Actually harrowing. I don't even hate RLM. But if their plotgay drivel passes as analysis in film school we're done.
>plotgay
Are zoomer unironically trying to turn caring about plot in movies/knowing how to write one properly into an insult? Holly fricking shit.
they've reached levels of cope that shouldn't even be possible
This.
Its like calling someone a "qualitygay" for complaining a movie is shit.
This has moved from being a bizarre Internet trend to a potential sign of societal and cultural decay.
>he unironically wants movies to be "high quality"
go back to redd1t kiddo
It's not really an insult on Cinemaphile.
Can anybody on the dissident right do a review of the prequels please?
They're too busy jerking off to Brie Larson
>the Plinkett reviews are being taught in film schools
>we're still shitposting on taiwanese basket-weaving forums
Prequelsisters... did we lose?
it never even began for prequelgays
Scary to think cinemasins too was probably shown in a learning environment
That isn't a good thing.
This board turning on Plinkett is pure contrarianism. Everything he said about the prequels is correct and his only problem was not identifying how far the rot of Star Wars goes. It didn't start with the prequels, it started with return of the jedi:
>have to make luke's confrontation with jabba take place on tatooine and not some new creative junkyard planet because muh poetry aka Lucas is creatively bankrupt
>Turned Vader into a moping shell of a man and Vader's conniving attitude only shows up briefly before he he is promptly pummeled by Luke
>Instead of having a fulfilling conclusion to the han-luke-leia love triangle he pulls a last minute plot twist out of his ass as some half-assed attempt to one up Empire's twist.
>The trio no longer has any humanity and Luke is a creepy pastor and Han and Leia are effectively cardboard cut-touts
>ROTJ was the beginning of the shrinking of the star wars universe. Past this point absolutely everything had to be connected to everything else to a (literal) incestuous degree
NOT GAYS
Take away the music, Ralph's Mcquarrie's art and Harrison Ford's ad libbing to make the dialogue bearable and you're left with almost nothing of value. Lucas' only purpose was the impetus of star wars but after that he should have handed it over to someone actually competent.
To make matter's worse he completely crippled the franchise with the whole chosen one plotline making every other story in the star wars universe seem pointless. He's the reason why the only content we get now is Filoni shit of basically providing filler content of little significance or shoehorning characters that shouldn't be there like Ahsoka
>Blaming George Lucas for the sequels.
RLM just pulled this same shit take on the kenobi video. Is that you, Jay?
What a stupid post
>Everything he said about the prequels is correct
It's mostly over analysis, and you can sum up the prequels real problems as:
1. Over reliance on CGI
2. Having 1 film's worth of plot stretched to 3 with padding. Little in the first two films matter, and you could tell the story in a single film.
3. Fan pandering - giving more of what the fans want (jedi, light sabers, boba fett, Anakin, vader, etc). Often less is more. Kid anakin added nothing.
Almost every single problem stems from 2. Why is so much of the first film politics? Padding. Why is so much of the films people sitting down talking, or walking down hallways? Padding.
Lucas should have made 1 prequel film, and 1 sequel film.
there are way more problems: with basic continuity, dialogue and character motivation. plus all these criticisms, from your post and mine, apply even more to Disneywars.
No, the real problem of the prequels is the bad dialogue and delivery. Have someone clean up the dialogue and suddenly you have a pretty good trilogy on your hand. Case in point - read Matt Stover's novelization of RotS. It still follows Lucas' story, but it expands and facelifts the dialogue and the characterization of the characters and it's one if the best books in SW line.
Nah, that guy is absolutely right that it's the same story stretched out to three movies, it's always about the Emperor controlling everything and creating fake wars to fight, it could easily be told in one movie.
But even then the story is not good. If you follow Anakin as the protagonist then he's meant to be conflicted and see the morality of the Jedi as questionable for not saving his mother and allowing slavery to exist. But then that's countered by the Emperor being a pure, absolute evil who, even within Anakin's conflicted views he wouldn't accept.... so they add the stuff about him wanting to save Padme and only the dark side can provide that power.... but then he stays with the Emperor anyway when she's dead?
And that's only the ending as well. The trilogy and Clone Wars in particular is full of padding, it literally features an entire war of disposable droids vs disposable clones which is just a fabrication by the Emperor because he has GOD tier powers of manipulation across the entire galaxy. It is the most meaningless war in existence and pure padding.
Sunk cost fallacy is a hell of a drug
Yeah I agree, ironically Plinkett does make a good point about the RotJ throne room scene here
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If Luke really had killed his father then what? Was he really going to say "oh well guess I'll join the Emperor and learn the dark side of the force lol".
It's as bad as the ending to RotS where Anakin tries to save Padme, fails, then says "oh well guess I'll join the Emperor then lol".
>have to make luke's confrontation with jabba take place on tatooine and not some new creative junkyard planet because muh poetry aka Lucas is creatively bankrupt
I don't see anything wrong with that, Jabba is a crime lord in Tattooine, that's what has been established in OT twice. That'd be complaining how it's so fricking weird that while fighting Japan Americans for no logical reason went to Japan.
>Turned Vader into a moping shell of a man and Vader's conniving attitude only shows up briefly before he he is promptly pummeled by Luke
That's actually a bit underrated aspect of prequel trilogy, it's something Lucas achieved with mixed results at best, but he did successfully emphasize that Vader is something Anakin became, he wasn't just born Vader, so Anakin being a completely different person you wouldn't expect to become Vader is fitting (all whiny b***h and prophecy shit that muddles it aside)
>Instead of having a fulfilling conclusion to the han-luke-leia love triangle he pulls a last minute plot twist out of his ass as some half-assed attempt to one up Empire's twist.
That I rather agree with, but he probably pulled it out of his ass just because Yoda said there is another and instead of introducing a new character just filled the spot with Leia. But on other hand, love triangles are trite anyway.
>The trio no longer has any humanity and Luke is a creepy pastor and Han and Leia are effectively cardboard cut-touts
Richard Marquand was special effects guy, he figured he would leave actors to know what they are doing, and that just wasn't the decision but that's on him.
>ROTJ was the beginning of the shrinking of the star wars universe. Past this point absolutely everything had to be connected to everything else to a (literal) incestuous degree
Disagree, ROTJ was the conclusion to stories introduced in New Hope. That's their stories. Shrinking definitely started when we found out Anakin built C3PO.
tatooine is supposed to be some backwater planet where nothing happens. That was the original reason as to why Obi Wan hid Luke there. But now it's the most important planet in the galaxy with crimelords having their HQ set up there. Again, this is all Lucas' fault
Jabba set up his palace there specifically because nothing happens on Tatooine, so that big powers leave him alone. It's like Cyprus. You go there for tax evasion.
What? What kind of logic is that? Jabba is just a rich slug at the center of criminal empire on Tattooine, he just has money and slaves, the only reason they went to him at all was Han, he had no fricking anything else.
>But now it's the most important planet in the galaxy with crimelords having their HQ set up there.
You know druglords don't live in New York or Los Angeles right? They have sprawling estates in Colombian or Mexican shithole areas because there's a lot of advantages; they're close to operations, they can manage/ pay off the local authorities more easily, their money goes further, they're often from the area, they can hire staff who can be trusted and so on. Jabba having a base on Tattooine actually makes sense assuming it's a common trade route, and the first movie suggests that Jabba lives there.
Jabba had influence over Tatooine, but I don't think its ever stated in ANH that he resided there, Tatooine was one of the many shitholes far from the law where he had power
by making one of the main criminal figureheads of the galaxy just be stationed in one of the 5 planets we know you are effectively making the universe smaller
>it’s bad because it’s not my headcanon
>creepy pastor
Holy frick go back
>ROTJ was the beginning of the shrinking of the star wars universe. Past this point absolutely everything had to be connected to everything else to a (literal) incestuous degree
Nope. The prequels expanded the universe and lore more than the OT did and it’s not even debatable.
I mean that's not actually a sign of respectability, but okay.
That’s honestly just awful to listen to, and those teachers should be killed.
That's funny. I'd watch comedy about film school grifters like this
Pretty bad in my opinion. Honestly, I like Plinkett's videos, and I think he makes valid points, but just like Star Wars movies he criticized he himself is very open to criticism. For example, more often than not, and it extends to Half in the Bag and other Stoklasa videos, the big problem is that they criticize a lot of scenes without broader context in mind, it works great for comedy, but movies is a sequential art and some scenes that don't quite make sense in one scene can be brought to a different light in the next scene, and it's something no one except for Rich Evans talk about in RedLetterMedia.
>just like Star Wars movies he criticized he himself is very open to criticism
that makes him perfectly suited to academia.
god fricking dammit
I would like to humbly apologize to all Star Wars fans for making the prequels. They were a rushed, sloppy mess and I was too lazy to write or direct them with any energy or enthusiasm. I understand now that I basically destroyed the franchise which is why I unloaded the whole radioactive mess to Disney.
Once again, I am very sorry for any pain or discomfort the prequels may have caused you. Please forgive me.
- G. Lucas
I still love you George
It's criminal to me that this stuff gets overlooked
George had a keen eye for talent, regardless of the medium
If I ever get to go to Skywalker Ranch I want to see the Yoda fountain just because I know that's where Dan Gilbert came up with a bunch of his ideas
Not good enough..I demand a blowjob.
Universities have no actual sense of oversight for curriculum so everything is decided by teachers, who are inevitably midwits who have read more tweets than books and watched more youtube takes than films. I knew someone who went to a big dollar private school and one of his teachers had them watch Attack on Titan in class.
>today in Career Planning 203 we'll be looking at some examples of what you can do if you fail to succeed in movie business, which will be 90% of you so pay attention
>~~*film school*~~
That'll be $60,000 plus tip, goy.
>film school
Comedy school, but for movies
>be diagnosed with AIDS
>still no announcement
Their silence is deafening.
I knew all that barebacking from Mike would have consequences.
Jay regrets nothing
They were also disagnosed with selective mutism
Well of course, film schools love "success stories" to add legitimacy and mike and jay met in film school.
I still love that even after 10 years, Star Wars autists are still sucking dicks of some pretentious internet trolls who don't even care about Star Wars in the first place. Mike is not going to sleep with you, you know.
>Mike is not going to sleep with you, you know.
Correct. He takes out his pent-up sexual frustration on Jay 'Gay for Pay' Bauman.
>I still love that even after 20 years, Star Wars autists are still sucking dick of a money-grubbing hack that doesn't even care about Star Wars in the first place outside of how it can be used to make money off of toys, just because they saw TPM in the theater at age 7. Lucas isn't going to declare your SW slash erotic fan-fiction canon, you know.
Do they have to watch those awful prostitute serial killer bits as well?
>awful
Literally the best part of Plinkett
Their Ep3 Plinkett is fundamentally flawed. Fire that professor
RLM making Space Cop does not mean the prequels were better or that they aren't allowed to have an opinion. It does beg the question that if they're qualified enough to criticize Lucas's films for hours, why were they unable to use those critical thinking skills to improve their own?
>RLM making Space Cop does not mean the prequels were better or that they aren't allowed to have an opinion.
Mother of god, this place has become more Reddit than the actual Reddit.
OK prequeltroony
You are sucking a dick of some fat autist and his Disney oberlords.
I'm sorry but the prequels are still bad.
Cope more
I don't even care about prequels that much, you idiot. I am just impressed that you are willing to defend RLM of all things to death.
I've only ever watched the prequel reviews but yeah they're fun, what's your issue with them?
>what's your issue with them?
Not him, but it's these reviews going viral that was the tipping point for Lucas when he decided to sell to Disney and the conception of TFA was heavily informed by these reviews.
>>the conception of TFA was heavily informed by these reviews.
>m-maybe if I say it enough times it will become true!
How does Kathleen Kennedy's wiener taste?
classic prequelgay deflection
Literally not an argument.
Their criticism of the prequels is scattershot at best. Sometimes they are right, sometimes they are wrong, sometimes they don't bother to do their research, and everybody is treating this review like it's some kind of gospel, while in reality they are just a bunch of shitposters who pretend they are some kind of SW purists, despite their knowledge limiting itself to OT and "People vs George Lucas".
Fricking SFDebris did a more comprehensive analysis of Lucas and prequels, that acknowledged both good and bad that came out of it.
>sometimes they are wrong
What are they wrong about? I think they're like 95% right, there's only minor parts I think deserve criticism
>despite their knowledge limiting itself to OT
I mean that is Star Wars to most people. Comics and EU are niche stuff only a minority of people care about.
>everybody is treating this review like it's some kind of gospel, while in reality they are just a bunch of shitposters
I think you've just got some made up idea in your head of the kind of people who enjoy the Plinkett reviews.
They're just a fun evisceration of some shitty movies, played up for laughs at the magnitude of a frick up the prequels were in killing the SW franchise.
>Fricking SFDebris did a more comprehensive analysis of Lucas and prequels, that acknowledged both good and bad that came out of it.
I don't care about some technical analysis, the Plinkett reviews are just fun. It's hilarious when he deconstructs the entire Padme assassination plot in Clone Wars.
You are fricking reddit incarnate.
Wow you really rebutted all those points excellently
nice deflection moron.
Are you even capable of stringing together a debate that lasts more than two posts?
I think it's much more likely you're the one that browses reddit when one of your main criticisms of RLM is people treating them like gospel
>doesn't reply
got to love prequelgay cope
>What are they wrong about? I think they're like 95% right, there's only minor parts I think deserve criticism
There are autists smarter than me, who criticized Plinkett for being a disingenious frick, I don't want to copy their essays here. Read up let's say Jim Raynor's rebuttal. Of course Stoklasa will play dumb, pretending not to know who the main character of TPM is supposed to be, or why Qui Gon is doing things he's doing. Lucas gave a pretty good setup of why things are happening, but he dismisses that as boring and then pretends Lucas never explained things in the first place. He's pulling a problem that was never there from his ass and makes a big deal about it. Like with those stupid robes. And it keeps going.
>I think you've just got some made up idea in your head of the kind of people who enjoy the Plinkett reviews.
When Simon Pegg tweets this review to Disney execs, you have a problem.
>I don't care about some technical analysis,
Well, then maybe you should broaden your horizons, rather than just listen to RLM religuously.
>pretending not to know who the main character of TPM is supposed to be
Who is it then?
>or why Qui Gon is doing things he's doing
Because the force tells him to?
>I don't want to copy their essays here
I shouldn't need to read some essay to get answers here, they're simple questions. One question can literally be answered with a character's name.
>When Simon Pegg tweets this review to Disney execs, you have a problem.
Maybe you should've browse fricking twitter lmao
Can't believe you accused me of browsing reddit when you're going through Simon Pegg's tweets
>Well, then maybe you should broaden your horizons, rather than just listen to RLM religuously.
You still don't get it.
I didn't watch the Plinkett reviews for some cerebral analysis of the prequels, they don't even really deserve that.
I don't care about the prequels, it's just funny for the Plinkett reviews to call them out on their shit, like the entire assassination plot from Clone Wars or other massive lapses in logic
>Who is it then?
Qui Gon Jinn. The movie can't be more obvious about it, if it tried. If you haven't caught up on that, you've been watching this movie half-asleep, like Stoklasa.
>Maybe you should've browse fricking twitter lmao
Now you are deflecting the fact that those reviews went viral and we all have to suffer for it.
>it's just funny for the Plinkett reviews to call them out on their shit,
And it's equally funny to call out Plinkett on his shit, because most of the time, he's not paying attention. This assassination attempt is a perfect example of "make it look like accident" hit.
>Now you are deflecting the fact that those reviews went viral and we all have to suffer for it.
So yeah you're further confirming that you browse shitty social media like Reddit and Twitter where going "viral" matters.
>This assassination attempt is a perfect example of "make it look like accident" hit.
They literally had rockets attack Padme's ship in broad daylight. There was no secret she was the target of assassinations. You don't think people would suspect Padme dying suddenly with some bugs in the room and a perfectly cut out hole in the window where they came in after she's already been targeted with missiles?
This has to be the most embarrassing justification for the prequels I've ever seen.
>You don't think people would suspect Padme dying suddenly with some bugs in the room and a perfectly cut out hole in the window where they came in after she's already been targeted with missiles?
Yes, of course everybody knew that Padme was being targeted. The idea behind this plot was not question IF Padme is targeted, but by WHOM. The goal wasn't to "kill Padme". The goal was "kill Padme in a way that is untracable to the mastermind". That's why we have a Sith Lord contracting a bounty hunter contracting another bounty hunter using a droid and worms to deliberately muddle the tracking process. Worm attack would result in a dead Padme and Jedi having nothing to go on, because can you question a worm? The only reason it didn't work out is because the second assassin fricked it up royally and then the story happened. It's not that hard to figure out, if you are not a brainlet.
OK I'll concede the point about making it deliberately hard to trace it back to Palpatine, but that ignores a lot of other issues with the whole scheme, such as:
>why, when Padme was on assassination alert, sleeping next to a glass window with droids constantly flying outside
>why didn't the droid just shoot Padme as soon as it broke the window
>how did Obi-Wan know cartoon logic would save him when he jumps out the window after the droid
>why didn't Boba Fett shoot Padme when Anakin rushed off to save Obi-Wan
>why did the shapeshifter expose herself in the nightclub when she could have shapeshifted as anyone and waited for them to leave, or just leave in disguise
>if Boba Fett was trying to hide his connection to the plot then why did he hang around to kill the shapeshifter in case it went wrong, and in the process expose himself to the Jedi in an obvious way by jetpacking away
>why, when Padme was on assassination alert, sleeping next to a glass window with droids constantly flying outside
To show the assassin she's not afraid. She even says that.
>why didn't the droid just shoot Padme as soon as it broke the window
Because, with a shot, the Jedi can figure out the caliber of the weapon and the type of the droid and THAT LEAVES TOO MANY CLUES.
>how did Obi-Wan know cartoon logic would save him when he jumps out the window after the droid
You know about the Force, right?
>why didn't Boba Fett shoot Padme when Anakin rushed off to save Obi-Wan
It wasn't his job. Also, he risks exposing himself, that's the point.
>why did the shapeshifter expose herself in the nightclub when she could have shapeshifted as anyone and waited for them to leave, or just leave in disguise
Because she's panicked? Shit went sour really quick.
>if Boba Fett was trying to hide his connection to the plot then why did he hang around to kill the shapeshifter in case it went wrong, and in the process expose himself to the Jedi in an obvious way by jetpacking away
She was about to spill the beans about the mastermind. At this point the entire show was a bust and he just resigned himself to killing her.
>To show the assassin she's not afraid. She even says that.
If she wasn't afraid why didn't she just let herself be killed? Or beat them to it and kill herself.
>Because, with a shot, the Jedi can figure out the caliber of the weapon and the type of the droid and THAT LEAVES TOO MANY CLUES.
A biological agent as unique as fricking bugs is going to leave a lot more clues than in a universe where everyone owns a gun.
>You know about the Force, right?
What a boring series where the main characters can do whatever they like because they know the force will bail them out.
>It wasn't his job.
What? He was the one who hired the shapeshifter wasn't he? It's absolutely his job
>Also, he risks exposing himself, that's the point.
But he exposes himself later on by killing the shapeshifter in front of the Jedi
While we're on this subject, the people Palpatine cons get captured a dozen times (like Nute Gunray) and it never gets traced back to him, so all this secrecy seems a little overblown.
>Because she's panicked? Shit went sour really quick.
Why did she panic? She's a fricking shapeshifter in a crowded bar with no chance of being detected.
>She was about to spill the beans about the mastermind. At this point the entire show was a bust and he just resigned himself to killing her.
If he hired her to protect himself then surely he would have concealed his identity somehow. Otherwise there would be no point in hiring her, she's just a liability when she's clearly an incompetent assassin.
Hey, moron address these points here.
Lucas did once know how to make movies, or at least he was in the right atmosphere and had the right people around him to make movies. He'd lost that by the time he made the prequels.
I don't know why that's so hard for prequelgays to comprehend, there are tonnes of directors who started out great then faded at the end of their careers; Guy Ritchie, Baz Luhrmann, Quentin Tarantino and so on.
The Plinkett reviews are pretty up front about that, they even ironically quote Lucas from around when he made the OT as saying "A special effect is a tool, a means of telling a story. A special effect without a story is a pretty boring thing" as criticism of the prequel special effects.
>No arguments against any of the points made
lmao what. How did I miss your points?
Just because Lucas made a good movie without a main character in the past that doesn't mean he did the same with the Phantom Menace
No you homosexual. Why are you using "There's no main character" as a criticism then? It's wholly reductive and is not representative of movies or storytelling as a whole.
>Why are you using "There's no main character" as a criticism then?
I'm not Mike, settle down autist
>It's wholly reductive and is not representative of movies or storytelling as a whole.
I agree it's not a great criticism, Lucas potentially could have made it work, but it's just unusual for a kid's movie, especially one that's meant to be a prequel to the original series which has very straightforward character roles and which works. Mike explicitly says that, of course you can have an unconventional story without a main character, it just doesn't work here because the characters have no character.
There isn't a good reason for this character split either, Mike makes a good point that Kenobi and Qui Gon could have been one character and it would have made for a good story, all separating them does is:
>pumps up Kenobi for le epic revenge with Darth Maul
>forces Kenobi into training Anakin even though he doesn't want to
>I'm not Mike, settle down autist
You were specifically the one using the same criticism tard bag.
>pretending not to know who the main character of TPM is supposed to be, or why Qui Gon is doing things he's doing
Has RLM rotted your mind? You were the one that brought it up here
>who the main character of TPM is supposed to be, or why Qui Gon is doing things he's doing.
All I did was ask who you thought the main character was, because it's a genuine question.
Different anon, moron. Thats why I asked you address me as well.
>moron kun goes silent.
No you can’t remove Qui Gonn. He’s specifically there to explain the importance of Anakin and show that Obi Wan is still in training and a padawan and isn’t prepared to train Anakin but does it anyway because it was his masters dying request. It makes the story more interesting that Obi Wan is partially to blame for Anakins downfall.
>He’s specifically there to explain the importance of Anakin and show that Obi Wan is still in training and a padawan and isn’t prepared to train Anakin but does it anyway because it was his masters dying request. It makes the story more interesting that Obi Wan is partially to blame for Anakins downfall.
This is a fricking awful reason for Anakin's training and downfall, Qui-Gon isn't allowed to train Anakin against the wisdom of the council, but suddenly Kenobi is allowed because it was his dying request?
And it totally fricks up their relationship, Anakin is just an obligation to him, and suddenly Anakin is evil from the start instead of being a brave, good hearted person who was seduced by evil.
Not him but I think you're just being a moron on purpose and discussing anything with you is a waste of time as you'll do nothing besides misunderstand simple shit and twist words
this is a warning to other anons, don't bothering replying to dumb posts. actually just get off Cinemaphile every post here is bullshit
in fact wtf am I doing?
goodbye
You didn’t pay attention to the movie. Kenobi was going to train him regardless if the council agreed too or not he says this. Is it not better for Yoda to say “fine you can train him” because then at least they can keep an eye on Anakin? It wasn’t Anakins entire reason for turning the main reason was obviously Padme but when you have an inexperienced Obi Wan training him and a council of Jedi who are afraid of training him or don’t trust him it adds layers too the story. Everyone being partly to blame for Anakins turn is way more interesting than if George had mad it a black and white “He thought the dark side was more powerful and turned” storyline.
>If she wasn't afraid why didn't she just let herself be killed? Or beat them to it and kill herself.
...Have you really just asked that stupid question? You know that "we don't negotiate with terrorists" means?
>A biological agent as unique as fricking bugs is going to leave a lot more clues than in a universe where everyone owns a gun.
Gun can be traced to a manufacturer, who have the lists of clients. Bugs are, well BUGS. The most the Jedi would find out that they come from a jungle planet of Ghawalaana or something, which tells them nothing.
>What a boring series where the main characters can do whatever they like because they know the force will bail them out.
"Through The Force, Things You Will See. Other Places. The Future, The Past. Old Friends Long Gone." - The Empire Strikes Back (1980)
I guess you don't like Star Wars. What the frick is even that argument for? Also, PREDICTING FUTURE?
>He was the one who hired the shapeshifter wasn't he?
Yeah. Shapeshifter was doing the hit, not Jango. Jango was possibly coordinating.
>But he exposes himself later on by killing the shapeshifter in front of the Jedi
He actually doesn't. Because Obi-Wan still doesn't know who the frick he is and how to trace him. It's the deus ex machina 50's diner that lead him onto Jango's track.
>Why did she panic?
Because the entire mission went sour and she's about to be killed either by Jedi, or Jango or Sidious?
>If he hired her to protect himself then surely he would have concealed his identity somehow.
At this point, she's just a loose end that knows too much.
Dude, this entire plot is not difficult to understand, you are just nitpicking.
>...Have you really just asked that stupid question? You know that "we don't negotiate with terrorists" means?
Do you even know what that means? You don't negotiate with terrorists because it rewards terrorists and encourages future terror acts. How does that apply here? It has zero relevance, if Padme's killed then she's killed.
And besides, do you think George Bush used to stand near open windows with minimal security detail to send a message?
I don't think Padme sleeping in a poorly protected space where nobody can see her doing it achieves anything or sends any message.
>Bugs are, well BUGS. The most the Jedi would find out that they come from a jungle planet of Ghawalaana or something, which tells them nothing.
They can be traced to a dealer of bugs, the type of people to have experience with them. It's obviously a unique assassination method that would only be employed by a few people.
>Gun can be traced to a manufacturer, who have the lists of clients.
This is a universe where battle droids and clones are produced in massive quantities for wars. You seriously don't think black market guns don't exist? You steal a gun from a factory and when it's traced back there they say it's stolen.
>I guess you don't like Star Wars. What the frick is even that argument for?
The force's powers are clearly limited, if you have a universe where people can do whatever the frick they want because of the force then there's no point to anything.
>Also, PREDICTING FUTURE?
What?
>Yeah. Shapeshifter was doing the hit, not Jango. Jango was possibly coordinating.
So the assassin hired an assassin to kill someone and you're saying it's not the first assassin's job to kill her because he hired the second assassin?
>I don't think Padme sleeping in a poorly protected space where nobody can see her doing it achieves anything or sends any message.
Oh, my sweet summer child, you actually haven't watched the movie. Between the Jedi, R2D2 and the entire room being wired, Padme was VERY well protected.
>They can be traced to a dealer of bugs
What dealer of bugs? Jango just picked some of them on a vacation trip. You know, for his son. It's not his fault they run away.
>You seriously don't think black market guns don't exist?
It exists. And it's actually way easier to track, because most of the black market shit is custom. Lore, b***h.
>What?
That. Kenobi knew when to jump, because Jedi can see the future. That was the plot point in every Star Wars movie ever.
>So the assassin hired an assassin to kill someone and you're saying it's not the first assassin's job to kill her because he hired the second assassin?
Yes, you are talking in circles.
Frick it, I am done with this discussion.
>Between the Jedi, R2D2 and the entire room being wired, Padme was VERY well protected.
And yet they couldn't detect a drone right outside the window? In a city where drones and hovercroft constantly fly past the window? Made out of glass thin enough that Kenobi can jump right through it.
>What dealer of bugs? Jango just picked some of them on a vacation trip. You know, for his son. It's not his fault they run away.
Aren't you vehemently arguing the shapeshifter assassin was doing her own assassination attempt and removed from Jango? That was your original argument as to why Jango didn't shoot Padme as soon as the Jedi chased after her
And again, anyone using bugs will be well trained and knowledgeable on them, probably will come from a planet where they exist. For example, if a unique human poison is used irl they look at similar times it's been used, look at people with advanced chemistry knowledge, things like that. Because it's so niche it's going to be much more easier to trace than a gun in a world which must have millions of guns
>And it's actually way easier to track, because most of the black market shit is custom. Lore, b***h.
Sounds like lazy comics writing to me
>That. Kenobi knew when to jump, because Jedi can see the future. That was the plot point in every Star Wars movie ever.
lmao. Again this is a fricking terrible concept, that Jedi are so powerful they can do shit like this. There isn't anything in the movies to suggest they're this omniscient.
>inb4 gay EU explanation
>Yes, you are talking in circles.
Look at my earlier point about the bugs lmao
Do you not understand how assassinations work? Jango takes the contract to kill Padme for money. He gives some of that money to the second assassin, presumably at a lower fee. There's no reason for him to say "well it's the second assassin's job to kill her, I can't be bothered" because that means no money for him. Him going after Padme when the Jedi chase after her is a perfect opportunity.
>Sweet summer child
have a nice day times 10 you fricking Reddit moron
>He actually doesn't. Because Obi-Wan still doesn't know who the frick he is and how to trace him.
Ok so you admit that him seeing Jango jetpack off is not very useful info. In that case he could have killed Padme himself, jetpacked off and been in no danger of exposure, he didn't need to hire the second assassin.
>Because the entire mission went sour and she's about to be killed either by Jedi, or Jango or Sidious?
She's a trained assassin who can fricking shapeshift, if she has half a brain and has been in her line of work for longer than a day she should know how to shapeshift into a nobody and wait out the Jedi, or better yet walk out.
>or Jango or Sidious?
Isn't the whole point of hiring her, by your own admission, to cover up any links back to Sidious or Jango? She wouldn't be aware of any danger with them
>Dude, this entire plot is not difficult to understand, you are just nitpicking.
Be real with yourself, the entire scheme is moronic and has so many holes in logic.
>the entire scheme is moronic and has so many holes in logic.
Dude, you are the one autistically nitpicking the frick out ot the very straightforward action piece, just to prove your husbando Mike Stoklasa was right.
Because the whole point was to lead Obi Wan to Kamino and find the clone army to kickstart the civil war
I guess if you have to pick a main character it's Qui Gonn, but I can definitely understand Mike's confusion, he doesn't really have the hallmarks of a protagonist. He doesn't do much except show an interest in Anakin.
>He doesn't do much except show an interest in Anakin.
He's driving the plot around him. He's pushing the story forward.
>This assassination attempt is a perfect example of "make it look like accident" hit.
Who's not paying attention to the movie?
>it's bad because there's no main character
>you're only allowed to make movies without a main character if you're martin scorsese or christopher nolan or jim jarmusch etc
>apparently aren't aware that Lucas has already made american graffiti, a movie with no singular main character
>in the director's commentary he even talks about what he learned from making that film and how to apply it in the phantom menace
You are moronic. How did anybody ever take these hacks seriously?
What about that is "Reddit"? Specifically I mean. Looks like he just stated a fact you don't like.
>millennials tastes in film criticism literally have not evolved at all to the point where they are teaching youtube videos at school
why are they so embarrassing and stupid bros
> complaining about filming school because it fails to make you enter the filming industry
> not complaining about the actual reasons you cannot enter filming industry: relations and nepotism
This is the kind of job you have to "know people" no matter how insanely talented you might be.
Like business school, those place are not here to teach you anything but hopefully make you meet the right people.
Every Best of the Worst episode should be too
And I thought my degree was useless.
ENDLESS TRAAAASH
>love prequels
>love RLM reviews of prequels
>hate disney
simple as
Ah yes, I too want to take directorial advice from the man who made Space Cop
>this is jay, he can only say what mike approves
That’s sad. The plinkett reviews are amateur YT videos that lie about the movie. There’s better info in the making of documentary of Phantom Menace
>that lie about the movie
The frick did they "lie" about, moron.
Epic stories don’t need a main character, but it is Anakin.
Across the trilogy it's Anakin yeah, but The Phantom Menace is unclear
I used to like RLM's criticism of the prequels but now that I've grown up, I've realized how stupid and reductive a lot of his points are. Don't get me wrong, there's a lot of stuff that you can thrash the prequels for, but Plinkett's review is complete garbage. It really shows in influencing other shitty movie reviewing Youtubers. Their perception of art is inherently limited and formed by nothing but pop culture. Which is fine, except for when you try to start gatekeeping art based on your own ignorance.
Rlm is compromised after they revealed themselves as leftist
>Cinemaphile talking about technicalities of filmmaking
kek
Prequelgays are 12 forever.
>charging 50k to hear a fatfrick brainlet say "this doesn't make sense" every 5 minutes.
How do you do this without feeling an incredible amount of shame and embarrassment?
RLM are the living embodiment of the smug, detached Gen-X ethos.
I'd venture to guess none of them has felt a single sincere conviction about anything since childhood. They exist as polyps upon the colon of culture, satiating themselves on the perceived failures of others (i.e. "The Man") while adding nothing new to the discourse aside from ironic complaint.
They're a group of insecure, lost, rapidly aging burnouts who silently believe they could do a better job of making films than the professionals in the industry. Yet they lack the ambition and ability to actually enter the very industry they're obsessed with. They choose instead to frick around and make student film piss-takes well into middle age.
They are awful, awful people. I've met thousands just like them, and the last thing we need is for these people to gain any attention for their navel gazing.
Please, Cinemaphile, do not aspire to become anything like these people. Theirs is a lonely road leading to depression and a life devoid of real purpose.
I hope they disappear and their disaffected followers stop subsidizing their lifestyle. Perhaps that would force them to do something productive with themselves.
And there you have it: henceforth, when referring to RLM, it is only proper to say "The Academy".
The rlm crew describing different star wars characters was the the perfect critique.
It alone is enough to define one movie with han solo and 3dcpo as good, and the movie with queen amadala and quick on gin as probably bad.
>listening to Mike Stoklasa's fricksquad be stupid for 20 minutes is the perfect critique
Just when I thought RLMdrones couldn't get be any dumber, you come along.
BASED
I can hear the black woman in the background through this gif
Imagine watching Reddit letter media
the only film school you actually learn anything from is AFI which has an acceptance rate of less than 1% and costs 100K to attend for 2 years
Film school? Don't you mean Service Industry School? Look at all the Starbucks and Food Court majors it produces.
Reminder that Mauler will never be shown in film school. Not only because he's shit but because it would take a up whole term
I would've thought that students would find the serial killer/ugly wife jokes "problematic". Unless the teachers edit out Plinkett fricking his cat or spraying his hot semen all over the Olsen twins
>thor director doesn't even remember the prequels
>based stoklasa being taught in film school
True Star Wars fans are BACK
>plinkettdrones: trust fund kids regurgitating every opinion from their internet daddy and droning film grad students without an iota of critical thinking
>prequelCHADS: many independent theses on the merits of the prequels, from video essays, to online communities, to actual presentations by professors and doctors on George Lucas's genius
Yep, not very surprised here.
>prequel defenders think they're chads
>rlm fans think they're cultured in film
Reminder that Stoklasa
- Is a consumer of mass-appeal blockbusters, lowest common denominator fare and camp
- Didn't like the prequels because the heroes/villains were unclear, which is kind of the point of the prequels
- Pointed to Star Trek '09 as an example of what modern Star Wars should be like
- Doesn't even like Return of the Jedi that much
- Has never seen a movie by Ford, Kurosawa, Lean, Hawks, Leone, Riefenstahl, Keaton, or any of the visionaries who inspired Lucas, or the genres and styles he's blending/paying homage to
- Refuses to admit that THX 1138 and American Graffiti are good
- Refuses to credit Lucas with Indiana Jones despite him coming up with all of the stories and characters
- Thinks Star Wars is only good because it was 'saved in the edit', even though saving a movie is literally what editing does and applies to all movies, not to mention that Lucas was an uncredited editor on the final cut
- Has never made a good film, despite pursing a career in filmmaking
Whereas Lucas
- Made his first movie using one minute of film given to each student in his class, which ended up winning awards
- Was an avante garde 'cinéma pur' artist who rejected Hollywood and made numerous experimental kinos
- Made THX 1138
- Made American Graffiti
- Made the best Buck Rogers/Flash Gordon pulp space opera of all time just to see if he could do it
- Did it five more times
- Created Indiana Jones
- Precipitated an unprecedented jump in effects technology and established a studio which continues to innovate today
- Used his wealth to fund world cinema and help independent filmmakers
- Has given literal billions to charity, educational organisations, and various philanthropic enterprises
- Is humble and cool despite being based as frick
>Didn't like the prequels because the heroes/villains were unclear
lol Strawman. They never made that criticism. The heroes and villains in the prequels are laughably one-dimensional. The main criticisms of the prequels are the sterile, green screen environments, the bland acting, the lack of clear protagonist and lazy cannibalising of the OT.
Lucas is literally a genius filmmaker
RLM is made of idiot manchildren
WHAT A LIFE!
Par for the course with modern academia
Even arthomosexualry is relatively shit now
Doomposting aside I think this segment in isolation is a fine way to explain to the uninitiated why the prequels weren't the cultural phenomenon the OT was; the first trilogy had simple relatable archetypes and the second one had stoic and alienating ones. The point is to show why the newer films didn't make as big a connection, not why they're bad
> Describe Qui-Gon in one word
> Um... he's wise?
The reviews are edited for comedy, while marginally making a point, but if "Qui-Gon isn't a character" is something that actually resonates for you instead of "Qui-Gon is a Jedi hippie who does his own thing" then you didn't want to pay attention to begin with.
there is nothing in The Phantom Menace that implies he's a "Jedi hippie" because he doesn't have a character. EU content that actually gives him a character doesn't count.
Star Wars deserves what it gets because of these fat schizos. Only the original trilogy is canon and good.
>earn $10,000 each month
>don't even bother to do plinkett reviews
>don't bother to even review the star wars movies, just give it a year so others do your work for you
>don't even review things people want
honestly, they've lost IT.
*$50000 per month
This makes me so happy.
Not because I like RLM, but because this will make so many prequel gays seeth for the entire week.
I hate rlm because they are fat nobodies. But that's based, frick anyone who likes the prequels, the prequel cartoons and Disney Wars. I am with rlm when it comes to shitting on star wars that is not the originals.
YUP, THEY JUST DONT MAKE THEM STAR WARS LIKE THEY USED TOO NO MORE. BACK IN MY DAY THERE WASNT NONE OF THIS KIDDIE CRAP!!!
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All star wars is trash
>2022
>going to school for film
>going to school for anything
>film school
none of these people will ever make anything anyone will ever watch.
If you watch Red Letter Media, you should have a nice day immediately
Thank God I stopped caring about Starshit in 2012. This thread is embarrassing
Hey fellow prequel fans, you claim Lucas had groundbreaking worldbuilding, yet the clone wars have zero impact on anything, apparently THERE ARE HEROES ON BOTH SIDES!!!! That a look at this Coruscant city, nothing seems out of the ordinary. Also both sides? Are we supposed to give a frick about the clone wars? How fricking boring.
>Side A is made up of stupid souless robots
>Side B has disposable clones, the writing is so bad, they had to invent inhibitor chips because the movies show absolutely NO reason for them to rebel against the Jedi. Also this is another reminder that your cartoon show is for babies, they cant show any crimes committed on purpose or basically any real real human people dying. What a fricking joke, if you shill for the prequels, at least admit its fricking bad and you like a product for children, dont start acting like its shakespeare because youre insecure.