Post moments in films that fascinate and fill you with intrigue. Just figuring out how this image came to be was such a pull for me
Post moments in films that fascinate and fill you with intrigue.
Post moments in films that fascinate and fill you with intrigue. Just figuring out how this image came to be was such a pull for me
Just rewatched this recently. I feel like it’s not talked about enough in Nolan’s filmography
Did he really kill his wife with the insulin though? Seems like she would be smart enough to know he wasn’t faking it. There wasn’t any mention that some insurance guy convinced her that he was like his old job either
>Just figuring out how this image came to be was such a pull for me
That photo was taken after he got revenge on the real killer, so I don't know why it's so interesting to you.
>Did he really kill his wife with the insulin
I like to think the story about his wife being killed in a home invasion was the real one. Teddy had no reason to lie to Lenny, and that's why I believe Teddy when he says they got the killer a long time ago.
That's a good theory. I think like this when I watch kinos
its the way the photo is mysteriously shown earlier in the film
Does he say that in the movie, haven't seen it in years and I actually forgot why he invented the whole story of tracking down the killer when he already got him before it started. Just an actual schizo?
Sorry for the late reply but he explains it right here.
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Teddy has no reason to be lying here so this is the truth of the movie. The twist is great.
Skip to 3 and a half minutes and he explains that Teddy was using Lenny as a hitman, because even after he got revenge, he forgot.
>Teddy has no reason to be lying here
He lied about a lot of things after this (chronologically). Why couldn't he be lying here to manipulate Lenny? Like Teddy says, sometimes Lenny lies to himself to make things go over easier. Teddy could also be lying to make things go over easier. Lenny has essentially been conditioned by Teddy to kill.
Having a purpose is everything in life. Even the most npc looking normie you feel has an empty existence, is pushed by some purpose. From the trivial desire for a nice car to impress their coworkers, to enduring a shit life to provide for your family that they love or have a duty of care they respect.
With that memory condition, or with deep chronic depression like many of the users here, finding a purpose doesn't come easy. Nihilism comes natural. Revenge fuels meaning and resentment towards the outside you feel has imposed suffering on you, and becomes an easier motivator than inventing some normal purpose to drive you.
People should try more to channel their anger and spite. Get an education or a well paying job to spite your ex, your parents, your society. See it as the steps required not for your own happiness but to make others feel worse than you do.
For some people normal therapy doesn't work.
>I like to think the story about his wife being killed in a home invasion was the real one
i think the story makes more sense that way. the whole insulin shit with possibly him killing his wife is a clusterfrick because he's saying that his wife was convinced it was fraud by insurance companies? the same job he had?
I try to think about the relevance of the insulin story and the best thing I could come up with is that Lenny is killing the memory of his wife in his pursuit for revenge (because the people being killed after the first have nothing to do with her). She probably wouldn't be happy with who he became.
Did you morons not see the film? I haven't seen it for TWENTY YEARS and I remember it better than you fricking homosexuals.
The home invasion happened, and she was nearly killed but recovered. Afterwards the Lenny story is actually him and his wife. She tests him in the hopes that his memory isn't really that gone. She effectively commits suicide because she puts her life on the line in the ultimate test. She's hoping there's something still there because if he does it, then it means he's hopelessly broken and will never be the same. It's that dispair that makes her go along with it (you can see her breaking down and crying).
great story, gets better every time you tell it
The thing is how would Lenny know this story if it's about his wife which happened after he lost his memory. Is it like in the story where he should be able to make new memories and created a story? Or maybe it's a story that Teddy made up so it's easier to manipulate Lenny.
HE LITERALLY EXPLAINS THIS. I HAVE NOT SEEN THE FILM IN 20 YEARS AND I REMEMBER IT MORE THAN YOU FRICKERS!
Lenny explains he can route force himself to remmeber something via repetition. That's how he remembers the story of the guy with a similar condition who killed his wife. Except he doesn't remember the story is about himself - or maybe he changed that to make himself feel better.
That's what I'm saying. Did Sammy ever exist or was it a creation of Lenny's? And why couldn't it just as easily be something that Teddy made up. Teddy knows the story. He could easily manipulate Lenny by telling him any number of stories. We see Lenny manipulated by every single person he meets and we are supposed to think Teddy is telling the truth?
The movie tells us exactly what happened, and there's no narrative in-story reason to not believe this is what really happened. Any speculation past that is just fan fiction.
Except we know that Teddy is a liar and manipulates Lenny all the time. In the black and white scenes he see Lenny warning himself about talking to Teddy on the phone. We see Teddy manipulating him with the picture. We see Teddy telling him about things in the case file. What if Teddy is not even a cop? The entire movie is about questioning the past but somehow we need to stop questioning it when it ends up being convenient and easy to swallow? Perhaps we are lying to ourselves to make it easier like Lenny.
>Except we know that Teddy is a liar and manipulates Lenny all the time.
Except we are given no reason to doubt him there, it's the climax of the story, and it appears to be the truth. Fans endlessly over analyze and speculate about films that already have straight forward answers.
If the film wanted us to doubt him there they'd give us a REASON to. If you're inserting anything it's your own speculation.
I guess the most obvious reason to doubt is Lenny doesn't have the tattoo saying he did it over his heart (where he's pointing in the OP). Why not? Teddy has the picture and not Lenny. Why is that?
Now that I'm thinking more about it Lenny has a tattoo saying don't answer the phone which we would assume is about teddy, teddy has the photo of the real kill, Lenny has a tattoo fact that gets changed by teddy telling him something about the killer being a drug dealer, teddy says Sammy didn't have a wife which puts into question if the story is about him since it would have happened after he lost his memory, even with conditioning how would he know the story, teddy says he's not a killer but at the beginning he says let's go to the basement to see what you really are, near the end you see him with his wife with the I've done it tattoo which could just be a fantasy but he's pointing at that future tattoo in the real kill picture, he doesn't have it so is that teddy or Lenny making that choice. I think there's plenty of reasons to question teddy and to question Lenny as well.
I haven't seen it in ages but I think the bit at the end is where he kills someone innocent and chooses to lie to himself that the real killer is still out there. Revealing it will hapoen again and he is hopelessly lost.
Remembering a little. I think he burns a picture that would make him know the killer is dead. As to give him purpose and be kinder to his future self. Like what he did arranging his wifes belongings and going to sleep beside a prostotute so for a second it was just a bad dream and she was alive beside him.
He says he needs purpose and meaning which he gives to himself by searching for his wife's killer. Maybe that's as far as we need to know. Maybe all that stuff that teddy does is more for the mystery of the narrative or maybe teddy knows that he can be the one to provide that meaning.
>I like to think the story about his wife being killed in a home invasion was the real one.
No, she was assaulted and nearly died but did not. She recovered. THEN he killed her with insulin.
okay then why did she think he was faking?
To test to see how bad he really is, hoping she can snap him out of it. Because if he does it, then he's GONE. Like gone gone as a person and the despair drives her over the edge.
yeah that seemed a pretty straight forward reveal. OP is dumb
Nolan is at his best when he is working with other's stories. Memento was based on a short story written by his brother. The Prestige was an adaption and it's up their with Memento as one of this best. Heck, even the Dark Knight was mostly David S. Goyer's screenplay.
David Goyer is a hack though. His dialogue almost ruined those movies.
He also wrote Man of Steel, which was a big steaming pile of horseshit.
>David Goyer
It's in in the name..
>Alright..what am I doing?
>I'm chasing someone..
>Nope. He's chasing me.
God I love that sequence
that was funny. Nolan needs to relearn writing dialogues.
I always thought the way they describe his condition he should forget things from a few hours ago, not have this immediate reset where he forgets everything. Kino scene though
He forgets things he's not focused on.
>"Gotta write this down"
>"Find a pen, find a pen, find a pen, find a pen, find a pen, find a p..."
>Forgets why he's even looking for a pen
This happens to me on shrooms.
is this movie the ultimate moronic test?
a couple of months ago, I watched it. After finishing it, I tried to read some reviews and comments about it. I`m actually surprised at how many people didn`t understand the chronological order of this film or they didn't get it at all, bro I'm almost moronic and even I understood the order of the scenes
They're the kind of people that browse their phone and think about their grocery list when watching movies. They are not actively following and piecing the timeline together and by the end of the movie they just have random unrelated scenes in their minds.
less moronic and more very adverse at storytellng and stories in general not following the same beats they normally do
A lot of people are VERY stupid. Think of the average person - somewhat dim witted. Half of people are dumber than that.
I watched reviews for Beatiful Dreamer and half of them were complaining it was confusing or gave them a headache. The film is pretty straight forward and even includes a 6 minute scene explaining the plot to the viewer. Heaven forbid something like Lum the Forever, which is actually a confusing schizofever dream film (which still makes snese, it's just not told that well).
I had the same experience with inception. I even gave people the benefit of the doubt for a while and thought they were just picking up on some complexity that I missed; but nope, they're just moronic.
It's funny. Critics of the film say that Nolan spoonfed the audience with the B&W fone scenes, but the film confuses audiences already. Imagine how much more confused people would be without that.
are you talking about the context of the reviews you read or whats going on in the thread? bc no one is arguing about the order of the scenes or the timeline
he's talking about reviews he read and people somehow not getting the timeline or other mechanical parts of the movie in the first viewing.
I feel the same about Inception. It wasn´t until the South Park episode that I found out people think it is "complicated". I always thought the movie spelled out everything for you clearly.
i think the whole mystery open ending is what makes this movie such a classic.
did he really kill anyone , is he being set up , what´s real and what isn´t?
Why is the right hand black?
amazing specimen right here
You see, the change in hand color is a subtle joke: Black folk commit more crimes.
Guy Pearce lookin' ZESTY
The part where Natalie keeps calling him a fricking moron gets me diamonds
Haha this photo creeped me out too. I wasn't expecting the scaries from Nolan of all people.