>pre-emptively out-Lynches Lynch
McGoohan really was on some next-level shit
What do you think of it, Cinemaphile?
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>pre-emptively out-Lynches Lynch
It's pretty fun.
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The surreal ending is a love it or hate it thing... I happen to love it and I think that the whole series is high kino. And I love that it has a bite to it, a true message about undying individual freedom vs. the social machinery and its engineering, how it polices and coerces us both externally and from within ourselves.
The Prisoner is Kafka, not Lynch.
No it's Lynch, it's not man vs bureaucracy, it's man vs I don't get it
it's man vs society vs self
it's both honestly
I don't like it all that much but it's ok
>The entire point of the series is Number Six not answering the question.
>Viewers thought they'll get an answer in the finale.
>McGoohan outwitted all of them.
Number 6 actually says why he resigned in the last episode but the audience keeps howling and clapping so you can't understand what he's saying
It's probably also not that interesting. 6 has shown throughout the entire show that he's an incredibly moral and principled guy. There's a thousand reasons he would become disgusted with the glowie agency he was working for and hand in his resignation.
Pretty much this. The moronic mystery box shows that always try to deliver but never do, made me realize how smart the Prisoner's finale actually is.
If that were the case, why did he join in the first place?
I just want some information on that.
>why did he join in the first place
because he believed his country to be moral and worth defending
was he moronic?
he was from a different time
People trusted their governments in the 60s
Yeah, I always thought he just got fed up with that type of work and wanted out. There wasn't a secret reason why he quit and that's one reason they couldn't break him, they had nothing on him and he knew it.
>Number 6 actually says why he resigned in the last episode but the audience keeps howling and clapping
The thing to focus upon with that is that they are responding to him saying 'I'. https://youtu.be/MDDyqbq2HHs?t=1842
>I
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because the self is one's own greatest enemy
bravo kojima
I take their applause being due to him reaffirming his own identity as an individual.
He never lost his sense of identity except when he was drugged/hypnotised/mindraped
I never said he lost his sense of identity. Reaffirming is different to regaining.
He reaffirms it in every fricking episode
Yeah but in the finale episode he has an audience with the whole trial and offer.
>Who is number 1?
>You are, number 6.
It was right there from the beginning.
more shows should just do crazy /surreal finales since their endings never match with the seasons long mystery box subplots
Imagine if Battlestar galactica just went nuts at the end instead of the lame ending we got
BSG is in a league of its own with the midwit gaslighting shit.
>Well, we told you they were... uhh... angels or something. See? It was all planned from the beginning. You believe us, right?
the surreal ending in the prisoner isn't just random shit it explains the entire theme of the show which is NOT a mystery box show
The mystery was who “who was controlling the village” that ran though the entire series
If you don’t want to call it a “mystery box” that’s fine but that was the subplot in every episode
You want an in-world explanation for The Village? The truth is there's none, McGoohan and the writers didn't know and decided to not explain it. You can think it's "the enemy", or the illuminati who control both McGoohan's goverment and "the enemy", or fricking Aliens. There are clues for all of those and more. But the truth is McGoohan himself decided to not deliver in that way, because what The Village symbolizes psychologically, politically and philosophically became more important than any mundane plot-logistical explanation. And I think he did the right thing, the series hits much deeper and is more memorable because of it.
thats the backdrop of the show, not its main theme
Its a “mystery box”
The show itself tells you that it does not really matter if it is the British or the 'other side' (read: Soviets) running the Village.
>No. 2: It doesn't matter which 'side' runs the Village.
>No. 6: It's run by one side or the other.
>No. 2: Oh certainly, but both sides are becoming identical. What in fact has been created is an international community - perfect blueprint for world order.
I like terminator 2 too.
And no I don't mean arnold in a ballet outfit.
>Who is Number 1
>You are, Number 6
HOLY FRICK
I love the series. It's great, even the filler episodes towards the end. The Girl Who Was Death and the one where it's a Western are both fun.
the western one is boring honestly but Girl is a lot of fun, the recurring gag where he mistakes random women for her at the amusement park is hilarious
I like the Western one, the girl is great and so is Number 8 adding a little Spaghetti Western flavor to it. The suicide at the end is goofy but fun
>filler episodes
>McGoohan had originally wanted to produce only seven episodes of The Prisoner, but Grade argued that more shows were necessary in order for him to successfully sell the series to CBS.[19] The exact number that was agreed to and how the series was to end are disputed by different sources.
>In an August 1967 article, Dorothy Manners reported that CBS had asked McGoohan to produce 36 segments, but he would agree to produce only 17.[28] According to a 1977 interview, Lew Grade requested 26 episodes, but McGoohan thought this would spread the show too thin managing to come up with only 17.
I'm aware of this, but not all filler episodes are equal. Shit, we don't even really know which ones(some are pretty obvious) are pure filler since the viewing order of the series is so debatable.
No that's Bunuel
It's not even as surreal as I was expecting, or at least it's a more grounded surreality
>post-emptively out-Prisoner's "the Prisoner"
Pure KINO. Best thing to come out of the 60s, and that includes the moon landings.
But who was monkey?
Your own genetic instincts, your primate nature. Unironically.
Okay, why was he called Number 5 when he just got there? Was he better than everyone else? Would he get promoted to Number 3 eventually? Why was balloon? Couldn't he just use a pin to stop it?
The social critique in the Prisoner is very preachy, you instantly get what the themes are even in more abstract episodes.
Lynch is less readable and obvious, he wants you to feel rather than think.
It's pretty clever that all the relevant data is in the opening sequence and you start to understand the meaning of the opening as you progress with the show
>Society wants to turn you into a number, information.
>But society is manmade, it's expression of our deeper conditioning, we are first and foremost imprisoned from within
What was the meaning of the rocket at the end?
You ever play Tetris? It's kind of like that.
Who's the best Number 2?
My favorite was Mary Morris
Some stand out for me: Patrick Cargill in Hammer into Anvil, Colin Gordon in The General, Peter Wyngarde in Checkmate and Derren Nesbitt in It's Your Funeral.
Why didn't he just grab some motherfricker and force them to talk?
That would be telling.
Use uber-spy knowledge to build a weapon/bomb/knockout gas, go to Number 2's headquarters, take out every motherfricker there, keep kiling motherfrickers.
He's what he eventually did, use violence and machine guns to kill the elites. To the sound of All You Need is Love no less.
>*pacifies you*
Just go inside building. Can't get you.
They have the technology to instantly gas rooms as shown in the intro.
I thought he was just sleepy. Like he had a hard day at the office.
UNMUTUAL!
I watched 2009 the remake as a kid and it really didn't prepare me for the kino
>What do you think about one of the most celebrated television series ever made?
Yet another Cinemaphile banger of a question
Oh so sorry we're not discussing the latest streaming israeliteslop or in a mutt latina teen shill thread, homosexual
And yet you didn't answer the question.