Why would I apologize when he's the one who sold Star Wars to Disney and put KK in charge in as a term of the deal in the first place? The current state of Star Wars is entirely his fault.
The current state of star wars is what it takes for gays to see he was right. The gays who b***hed about the prequels are why he sold it in the first place.
Honestly I will apologize because my moronic generation Gen X (boomers too tbh) is who harrassed Lucas and made him sick of his own world. We were drunk off power from the internet, we had access to studios for the first time and we thought we could will Star Wars "to be good" so obsessed with what we could do not thinking about if we should.
I never had a problem with you, George. I concur. People should apologize to you. They owe you an apology. These manchildren bullied you into selling your life's work to white* slavers. It's all their fault AND THEY WILL GET WHAT THEY DESERVE ONE OF THESE DAYS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
This man thought the Obi Wan show was good, looking at the prequels and that Obi Wan series I think it's pretty clear what his vision for Star Wars is
So no I won't apologize
George Lucas has a long history of praising crap, so it’s not out of character for him. People used to think he was trolling. His bit about how science fiction before Star Wars was focused on showing off how much work they did was directed at 2001.
George Lucas has a long history of praising crap, so it’s not out of character for him. People used to think he was trolling. His bit about how science fiction before Star Wars was focused on showing off how much work they did was directed at 2001.
George will never publicly say anything bad about about Disney. Even he knows they are too powerful and can cancel anybody they get their sights on. Even him.
>Even he knows they are too powerful and can cancel anybody they get their sights on
I used to laugh about this until the day Ron DeSantis gave up on his Presidential ambitions.
You need at least a couple hundred billion $$ to be uncancelable. Like Elon level money where you can literally buy a controlling stake in the company and fire anybody in the company you want like he did with Twitter. The $4billion the G.L. has isn't nearly enough.
>not the theatrical versions.
They're even worse. Gen Xers don't have a problem since they grew up with them, but later generations do as they were exposed to the films that came after. T2 Judgment Day looks great to this day and completely shits on the OT 100%.`But that's not necessarily the OT's fault as they're just old movies made in a time when they were still figuring out the technology. T2 was in that sweet spot that allowed it to persevere decades after. Same with Jurassic Park.
I defended your ass during the PT and what did you do? Cancel all the games I was looking forward to, ruin the EU and sell to Disney so they can ruin the thing I defended you for even more.
Now you support them.
Yeah, sure, I'll say it:
From the bottom of my nuts, frick you, you absolute HACK.
Prequel movies are better pieces of art than the OT, never mind the sequels.
Just look at the amounts of discussion and feelings they evoke. They are genuinely interesting works, while the OT (sadly) has passed into some sort of collective unconscious where they are static and unchanging, and therefore entirely uninteresting to really talk about.
Furthermore, prequels by their nature create new perspective on the OT and therefore also make *those* movies more interesting.
To finish, you are simply an illiterate consoomer with very little thoughts of your own, and you communicate entirely in pre-fabricated meme replies in these threads out of scorned feeling. A gay fate for a gay man
>Watch the plinkett reviews
No, don't think I will.
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its okay, you don't need to. they were just a collection of all the criticisms of the prequels the 2000-2007 internet had. read: adults of above average intelligence.
The problem with the Prequels is that they were just George Lucas throwing shit at the wall, then followed by his incompetent direction. He wanted to make a political intrigue, Vietnam inspired, clones vs robots, but also Jedi vs Sith thriller-scifi-comedy about the heroic fall of Anakin Skywalker, but Anakin Skywalker is a whiny jerk and there are these bizarre details that take you out of things. Lucas should have given someone else the director's chair, and maybe been willing to take some criticism.
Why doesn't it work, in your mind?
They are all of those things and they do work in unison, because there's an overarching plot and rich themes that are progressed with every movie.
If you didn't agree with characterization of certain characters, that's one thing, and it's your opinion, but don't conflate that with the idea that the movie somehow was wrong when it had payoff both in a dramatic, aesthetic, logical and meta-narrative sense.
They don’t work because none of the characters are sympathetic at any point. They’re all just unintelligent. The tone of the prequels is set in the first dialogue between mcgregor and neeson >master, should we use some of our precognitive space wizard powers to see what’s actually happening in this bizarre as frick situation? >shut the frick up.
And then every character is exactly as stupid for the rest of the trilogy.
>"character isn't a tactical genius, like me" >means it's a bad movie
I bet you get mad at the victims in horror movies as well you little sperg
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>tries to excuse bad writing by bringing up other instance of bad writing >end result: admitting the prequels are poorly written
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Its not "bad writing" is the thing. Characters like quigon have a reason for thinking like they do, and you just dismiss it all out of hand.
Because you can't relate to other humans, because of aforementioned aspergers
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>this clairvoyant space wizard has a reason to not use his powers of space wizard clairvoyance, thus all clairvoyant space wizards don't use their powers of space wizard clairvoyance
This is like writing a soldier as a pacifist, and having every other soldier behave the same way, because that's what you need for your story to work at all.
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Quigon doesn't sense anything from the situation because he *desires* to stay in the here and now, apparently for philosophical reasons.
In case you missed it, he's a type of orthodox jedi that disagrees with most other jedi.
He is, at the time of the opening scene, operating as the chancellor's iron fist on a dubious, legally gray mission to intimidate a corporation into compliance. He's ready to do so and cannot mask his disdain for the "federation types" who he views as cowardly.
We can from this see that he's governed by higher principles, he's not above using intimidation and subversion to get his way, he's comfortable acting outside his jurisdiction, he has a fair degree of arrogance and pride and (later on we see this more clearly) some degree of racial supremacist views.
That quigon the character acts this way is, in other words, not very strange and in fact in line with his belief system and the context he's currently in.
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you're talking around the issue off >establish characters have this trait >one character doesn't use this trait >so no characters do... because that would be hard to write
To add another refutation to comparing clairvoyant space wizards to horror movie teenagers, horror movie teenagers have a reason to be stupid. they're teenagers. the prequel jedi are stupid because... they need to be for the story to work.
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Quigon doesn't sense anything from the situation because he *desires* to stay in the here and now, apparently for philosophical reasons.
In case you missed it, he's a type of orthodox jedi that disagrees with most other jedi.
He is, at the time of the opening scene, operating as the chancellor's iron fist on a dubious, legally gray mission to intimidate a corporation into compliance. He's ready to do so and cannot mask his disdain for the "federation types" who he views as cowardly.
We can from this see that he's governed by higher principles, he's not above using intimidation and subversion to get his way, he's comfortable acting outside his jurisdiction, he has a fair degree of arrogance and pride and (later on we see this more clearly) some degree of racial supremacist views.
That quigon the character acts this way is, in other words, not very strange and in fact in line with his belief system and the context he's currently in.
Addendum: the visions characters like anakin see are disregarded all the time, and we further see that yoda et al are tricked by "sensing" the future as much as they are helped by it.
As we understand from their short exchange, quigon is no fan of looking at the future, and yoda apparently is.
Later on, mace Windu and Yoda talk about how their abilities to view into the future have diminished substantially, and that this is something of a closely guarded secret.
Just one more reason why the act of clairvoyance can be explained as not mattering as much within the story.
The work to explain this shit was done, and you paid attention to none of it.
you're talking around the issue off >establish characters have this trait >one character doesn't use this trait >so no characters do... because that would be hard to write
To add another refutation to comparing clairvoyant space wizards to horror movie teenagers, horror movie teenagers have a reason to be stupid. they're teenagers. the prequel jedi are stupid because... they need to be for the story to work.
Did you even read the post?
I adequately explained why quigon has a good reason to dismiss obiwan's ideas. He doesn't need it, he perceives nothing amiss, he's there to do some dirty work,
Maybe crack a few skulls, he's aloof and focused elsewhere etc etc
Quigon only truly comes into his own when he's bartering for anakin. The image you get from him before that is of arrogance and self-assuredness. Precisely the type of guy that would NOT look into the future like a cuck padawan.
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>no you see george explains it in the sequel >also horror movie teenagers are just like the jedi
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You're really holding on to that "horror movie teen" comment for dear life.
Doesn't it bring you shame to be so nakedly rat-like in your dealings with others online? Your ego can't take it ?
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Yes. When you make such a shit argument, people aren’t going to let it go.
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No, it's naked desperation on your part, because you refuse to engage in argumentation with me.
Running away is about all that you amount to, I suppose.
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Describing the exact plot contrivances that justify the plot as written isn’t an argument.
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You're really holding on to that "horror movie teen" comment for dear life.
Doesn't it bring you shame to be so nakedly rat-like in your dealings with others online? Your ego can't take it ?
Also explain: > "I adequately explained why quigon has a good reason to dismiss obiwan's ideas. He doesn't need it, he perceives nothing amiss, he's there to do some dirty work, >Maybe crack a few skulls, he's aloof and focused elsewhere etc etc" >"Quigon only truly comes into his own when he's bartering for anakin. The image you get from him before that is of arrogance and self-assuredness. Precisely the type of guy that would NOT look into the future like a cuck padawan."
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All you’re doing is describing the plot contrivance that the prequels need in order for the story to function as written. This is not proving or arguing the prequels are well written.
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How is quigon's thinking in any way OOC, when you read the description I posted
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Also explain: > "I adequately explained why quigon has a good reason to dismiss obiwan's ideas. He doesn't need it, he perceives nothing amiss, he's there to do some dirty work, >Maybe crack a few skulls, he's aloof and focused elsewhere etc etc" >"Quigon only truly comes into his own when he's bartering for anakin. The image you get from him before that is of arrogance and self-assuredness. Precisely the type of guy that would NOT look into the future like a cuck padawan."
He absolutely would act this way, ergo the writing, as it stands, both makes sense and cannot be called "bad".
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It’s out of character for Jedi to not use their abilities, yeah. He also orders his subordinate to not use his abilities. Then further contrivance is introduced to justify not using their abilities.
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Its really not. Its meant as a characterization moment for us, the viewer, as we later see obiwan was right and quigon was arrogant and wrong, as they are basically immediately gassed and attacked.
That's how stories are told, by "showing, not telling". Quigon is arrogant, Obiwan is young, but probably more talented in the force.
If quigon never found anakin, he would've been a very mediocre jedi and a pretty terrible person, but of course he finds the messiah and ends up sacrificing everything for him, asking obiwan to train him as his last breath.
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>character was wrong for not using his powers >characters continue not using their powers because sheev has cast force stupidity on them
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Irrelevant dogshit reply. Heem yourself
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It’s always funny how prequel defenders think explaining how the plot was contrived proves the plot wasn’t contrived.
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How was the plot contrived? Genuinely asking.
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>characters don’t use established abilities for reason
Is a plot contrivance. Any time you need an explanation for why characters are behaving in a manner that doesn’t make sense, it is a plot contrivance.
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Quigon being that way is established in that very scene and will serve as the basis of our understanding of him as we go along the story.
Its also the reason why he moves Heaven and earth to get anakin into the jedi.
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Midichlorians are also a plot contrivance. An unnecessary one at that, as it’s been established force sensitive people can feel eachother over great distances
And now you suddenly remember that the queen of naboo’s personal yacht had a Jedi midichlorian scanner on board.
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>mace Windu and Yoda talk about how their abilities to view into the future have diminished
Maybe Veidt was sending miditachyons back through time
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>some horror is badly written therefore the prequels aren’t
>opinion
It’s fact, actually. Watch the plinkett reviews and you’ll agree unless you’re a brain dead contrarian.
Its by actual definition simply your homosexual opinion that your parasocial butt buddies have anything of relevance to say in any aspect of life, never mind these movies they simply are unable to comprehend
Sars please come Delhi we have American diner 50s style too I study for homework in diner, very American. Please come (especially the women please). If India can have diner so will Galaxy's long time ago very very far away, best eggs ever.
It didn't. The discussion had very little to do with the actual ideas being posited by the movies, and more about the bad sense of time, editing and flipflopping characterization and themes. >is rey meant to be evil, or good? >why is there yass kweening >was the rebel mutiny justified or not, the movie flipflops about it constantly >kylo Ren stuff
Sequels are no longer, or have not really ever, had threads discussing their meat and potatoes, their innards or what they truly mean, while we have had endless threads discussing the likes of quigon, Dooku, grievous, anakin Obiwan, Padme jar jar Dexter jettster, order 66, emperor Palpatine etc etc
I'd venture to say that the one blue twilek being gunned down in order 66 have got more dedicated threads than any "supporting" character in the sequels, old OT cast included.
Maybe even more than kylo ren.
Why? Anon is correct. They sparked endless creativity and discussion. Memes that are still strong, and engage with the movie in genuine ways.
Characters and action that stick with you, the best soundtrack of any Star Wars movie and by FAR the best sound effects, that came to define Star Wars as a whole in the minds of everyone.
I refer to my previous post as well: [...]
They "create discussion" in the same sense that a toilet overflowing does.
The OT is like The Wizard of Oz or The Godfather, just so objectively good at what it's supposed to be everything you can possibly say about it has already been said. Doesn't make it any less interesting or good for that matter.
The prequels will always be the more interesting movies to talk about, if only because of the obvious hopes the producers and George Lucas had and how they failed to meet them. There's nothing noteworthy about the sequels, even if they are more technically competent films, because they had no vision and were motivated entirely by corporate ambitions and not by any strong creative voice. The one thing you can definitely say about the prequels is that they weren't the result of George Lucas selling out, because if he had wanted to churn out more money, he would have just remade A New Hope like JJ did
>The one thing you can definitely say about the prequels is that they weren't the result of George Lucas selling out
Lol the entire reason he made the prequels was to make money from toys
the prequels are remembered because of cool fights
the sequels are the trilogy remembered for being awful
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Yeah, I want you to show me a choreography that doesn't look silly when played frame by frame.
And from a meta perspective, people always forget that in a lightsaber duel both parties have precognition, thus know in some capacity when and where certain swings and movements will commence. Thus, it becomes a dance of who can perform certain catas better or faster.
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>makes excuses
Also >they're precognitive when it’s convenient for the movie
>Ugly aliens (diverse designs, CGI)
vs >Ugly aliens (similar designs, puppets)
Oh wow I massively prefer one set of ugly frickers over the other you're right
You have no eye for originality or aesthetics. The Disney NuWars creature designs all suck. 100% soulless. While the G.L. approved designs are all iconic in their uniqueness and originality.
However while their creature designs mostly sucks balls I will give NuWars credit for this droid design. Which I do have to admit is pretty based.
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Lacks humanity, which is the whole point of droids.
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?? Not sure what you are trying to say/.
Are you saying its good or bad?
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Marks an ideological difference in the robot character.
In the OT and in prequels, the robot status is simply a class signifier. Like a samurai movie peasant, which r2 and c3p0 are based on.
B1 battle droids are, in this view, simply conscripted napoleonic infantry that are bullying lesser kingdoms. And they retain humanity throughout, even in ep1. "Go in corporal, we'll cover you" "uhhhh that doesn't compute" etc.
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I think the quiet "mysterious" element of the NuDroid fits well with the whole Samurai theme of Ashoka. I give credit where it's due and for once they actually did something right.
Ashoka wis turbo-mid but it did have a couple of high points. Balan Skol was the other high water mark for live action NuWars. (fallen Ronin) Too bad the actor died though.
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This isn't an original design. This is McQuarrie's "Droid Bounty Hunter" design for ESB.
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I wouldn't say its the same design. It might have taken some inspirations. Which it should do since it is literally Star Wars. But the overall design of the Ashoka droid has enough to it to be considered an original design i.m.o.
I mean they literally try and do the same "insporation" thing with their creature designs in NuWars and fail spectacularly.
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>It might have taken some inspirations.
It did:
It's a good design, just not entirely original. It's okay, since Star Wars in itself is not original, and George took inspiration from many sources.
The prequels had a lot of issues, but it felt like Star Wars and it has a rich world that is filled with intrigue and wonder. The sequels are boring and take place over the course of a week. The prequels really does feel like a galactic empire, while the sequels feels extremely claustrophobic because of so how little happens and how little we see about the universe.
The sequels ended up doing more damage than what the prequels ever did.
They basically retconned and undid the whole og trilogy and the prequels retroactively, with Rey SUE skywalker being basically a dead end for the whole franchise. Everything that come from the Disney wars beside Andor and Rogue one ranged to mediocre(the best ones) to absolute shit. There is nothing redimable from the sequels, expecially after TROS destroyed everything.
>retconned
What did they retcon?
They retroactively made the OG trilogy depressing because we know what happens to the characters and that ultimately their struggle was basically for nothing, but that's not retconning.
Somehow Palpatine was secretly alive all along is a retcon, despite it happening after the end of the movie. It was never George's plan to revive him back, in fact his return was considered bad even during Dark Empire, in which Palpatine at least wasn't as prominent as figure as today since he didn't had the whole expansion in the prequels and shows yet.
Also Rey being "the true choose one" all along is pretty much a retcon, since it was anakin the one that was supposed to bring balance to the Force. So yes, retcons happened too.
The guy who wrote Dark Empire gets a bad rep. He wanted an original villain who pretended to be Vader reborn. But Lucas told him to have the Emperor instead.
>But Lucas told him to have the Emperor instead.
Not Lucas, but Lucy Wilson who was in charge of licensing. Lucas wasn't involved at all. He even told Wilson that he would never have brought back the Emperor.
>retconned
What did they retcon?
They retroactively made the OG trilogy depressing because we know what happens to the characters and that ultimately their struggle was basically for nothing, but that's not retconning.
>They basically retconned and undid the whole og trilogy
The only way they retconned things was undoing the happy ending of bringing balance to the force in the galaxy. The sequels should have been set 1000 years into the future to give the victory of the OT meaning. Not 30 years. So in a way the ST did retcon the meaning of the OT. But only in a kind of non-literal way.
The one thing Mike said that is 100% true and prequel shills have no counter for is that the prequels all of a sudden were re-examined with new eyes and how "They aren't THAT bad", the same time Disney bought up the Star Wars catalog
I absolutely believe Disney astroturfed this meme so that they could monetize the whole saga and not just half of it for nostalgia
Wrong, Yidsney hated the prequels and still do it now. They removed podracing flags in post-production in TFA and the first Nu-Battlefront didn't feature the Clone Wars era. The prequels were reexamined by the audience after the massacre that was TLJ, not by those corporate rats.
> Uh, Anakin? You do know that Palatine was the one who ordered Dooku to assassinate Padme all those years ago? And you do know that he REALLY hates her and considers her a thorn in his side? And why would a SITH LORD even allow his apprentice to be a happy family man? Anakin holy shit think for a moment. > *Saves the galaxy*
I like prequels, but anyone who denies their writing is shit is a 100% moronic.
Interestingly enough, George brought back the jealousy and cheating angle in The Clone Wars. It is still there in Revenge of the Sith — even if just implied and hinted at. You can see Anakin being fricking obsessive with Obi-Wan visiting their apartment while he wasn't home, and then him losing his shit when seeing him at Mustafar, "YOU'RE WITH HIM!" But yeah, it was originally a big plot point, and explicit plot point, that was lost during the reshoots.
> I will kill palpatine.... MYSELF > gets raped by force lightning
Anakin was a dumb sperg, he could have killed him immediately after killing Mace, get access to the archive and take all knowledge he needs, and then just frick off somewhere far away with Padme.
Nah, then he'd just be another insurgent.
His competing loyalties between family, jedi and republic are what's decisive.
In the end he was forced into choosing family, and he smooths over any wrinkles in the "choice" to soothe his mind and create focus, by claiming he does it out of loyalty to the republic.
Ergo, killing Palpatine, who remains his mentor and sole stable point barring Padme, is something that must be done deliberately, especially if the goal (or fantasy) is to put Padme on the throne.
Also remember that Padme ruling the galaxy has been his ideal since ep 2, and the seeds of this fantasy was planted all the way back in ep 1.
>Uh, Anakin? You do know that Palatine was the one who ordered Dooku to assassinate Padme all those years ago?
Obi-Wan doesn't know that. Also, for the billionth time, neither Dooku nor Sheev actually wanted Padme dead. Imagine unironically being too stupid to follow the story of a blockbuster space opera
He still thought he could beat Palp and become the true ruler and also believed Padme would come around to thinking like him. He didn't care until he learned she died in childbirth. Once he learned that >NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
he became actual "Darth Vader" and his humanity died. His humanity only being resurrected by saving his son's life.
It's not a bad story it's just told like a moron would because George IS moronic.
Anakin complains about or is held back by bureaucracy in all three prequel movies >phantom >asks Qui Gon to free his mom too but can't because rules >ask Yoda to become a padawan but can't because rules >attack >isn't allowed to see women for ten years >on naboo, complains that the senate takes too long to implement policy >when chasing dooku, rushes in when Obi Wan wants to strategize >revenge >executes Dooku instead of waiting for procedure >murders Windu for trying to kill Palpatine
the Windu one is interesting because Anakin does the same thing at the start of the film but Anakin hypocritically stops Windu because muh Padme. it shows that Anakin is anti-bureaucratic but only when it does not conflict with his own biases
>Hey babe, can we watch those Star Wars movies that everyone always talks about? >Sure hon, we should start with Episode 4. >What? That's stupid. There's movies 1-9, why wouldn't we just start with 1? >Ok, if you say so... >... >Wow, that really sucked. I'm never watching Star Wars again.
And then I imagine the viewcounts really taper off after Attack of the Clones. I'd be amazed if any newcomers make it to the OT watching the movies in numerical order.
The prequels are unironically better. They are more fun, have better lightsaber battles and visuals, they have better worldbuilding, they spawned Jedi Academy, Kotor, Battlefront2 and all commonly recognized good SW media
Why? Anon is correct. They sparked endless creativity and discussion. Memes that are still strong, and engage with the movie in genuine ways.
Characters and action that stick with you, the best soundtrack of any Star Wars movie and by FAR the best sound effects, that came to define Star Wars as a whole in the minds of everyone.
I refer to my previous post as well:
Prequel movies are better pieces of art than the OT, never mind the sequels.
Just look at the amounts of discussion and feelings they evoke. They are genuinely interesting works, while the OT (sadly) has passed into some sort of collective unconscious where they are static and unchanging, and therefore entirely uninteresting to really talk about.
Furthermore, prequels by their nature create new perspective on the OT and therefore also make *those* movies more interesting.
To finish, you are simply an illiterate consoomer with very little thoughts of your own, and you communicate entirely in pre-fabricated meme replies in these threads out of scorned feeling. A gay fate for a gay man
Smart boy had someone fill his head with mounds of dog shit in place of any semblance of a brain. Prequels suck dick.
Prequel movies are better pieces of art than the OT, never mind the sequels.
Just look at the amounts of discussion and feelings they evoke. They are genuinely interesting works, while the OT (sadly) has passed into some sort of collective unconscious where they are static and unchanging, and therefore entirely uninteresting to really talk about.
Furthermore, prequels by their nature create new perspective on the OT and therefore also make *those* movies more interesting.
To finish, you are simply an illiterate consoomer with very little thoughts of your own, and you communicate entirely in pre-fabricated meme replies in these threads out of scorned feeling. A gay fate for a gay man
>look at the amounts of discussion and feelings they evoke
they evoke discussion because they are terrible, and they get short stories made throughout their timeline because of how bad they are. It was soo terribly made and written it needs story patches everwhere, your claim is akin to saying the leaning tower of Pisa is the epitome of construction, because it needs to be worked on non-stop to prevent it from falling. You NEED prequels to be good because you are an old-gay that bases your personality around them, I don’t need them, and so I see them for what they are. >prequels by their nature create new perspective on the OT
The prequels ruin multiple reveals if watched in sequential order. Yoda is in three movies, then appears in V, and you aren’t going to buy into his “kooky old hermit” routine because you know who he is, and know he is a Jedi Master, so Yoda’s introduction is not a shock. Anakin being Darth Vader is also not a shock, Luke and Leia being siblings, not a shock, Darth Vader being their dad, not a shock, Palpatine isn’t even mysterious at all anymore, because you saw him as a gay Naboo senator already, and saw him become the Emperor. The prequels don’t just suck as movies, they now drag down the OT for newcomers by their poor story design. Lucas just wanted to use major characters from the OT to get people to like it from nostalgia, he couldn’t recreate what everyone else had done to make the OT’s a success. He’s the luckiest man in the world, he had everyone do his work for him, and he got all the money from it. I will celebrate the day he dies. Frick George Lucas, the greedy talentless homosexual.
the OT is good because the sets costumes and practical effects make it feel real and lived in. the prequels suck because the sets costumes and cgi effects make it feel like a generic sci fi cartoon
Wow! That's really good and it didn't even have beloved fan favourite Rey starring in it!
Imagine how good it would have done if Rey was in it? Maybe they should remake it with Rey?
I like how this viewing by people in all and any media is just them trying to have a personality and faking enjoyment because it makes them think they're part of a social group.
I liked these movies. Saw them young, seen them a couple of times over past 15 years on TV. I like Hayden and his Vader love revival.
However, I've been there done that. And if you keep consuming this shit forever you seriously need to be shot in the fat head.
The prequel trilogy still being relevant feels so forced. Was it reddit? Who else would sit and overconsume such shite? I thought it was terrible when I was a fricking child with star wars bedsheets, toys, curtains and tazos.
Star Wars is on hard times and Disney needs to grab attention to make sure the franchise doesn't die out like the MCU basically has. If you think this whole "The Phantom Menace is actually super popular!" thing is organic I have a bridge to sell you.
>be a zoomer >"me finna watch that Stars Wars boomer movies fr no cap" >"episode 1? sure aight" >watches TPM >"dis shit be wack no cap" >"dem boomers be crazy for watchin dis crap" >never watch any SW movie
now this is podracing
I wonder how much of those views come from clueless zoomers who think Episode 1 was the first Star Wars and then quickly check out of the series when they realise how shit it is
>I’m saying they’re equally bad
Then you're moronic. Even if you think the prequels are bad, comparing them to the sequels is an utterly moronic statement. Despite how much shit the prequels got people were still excited for new movies and the fervor pitch for a new Star Wars movie in 2013 was insane. Now nobody gives a frick and that isn't down to the prequels or the EU (even though the KOTOR games are by far the best Star Wars stories including the movies), it's down to the fact that Disney has been delivering nothing but pure goyslop ever since they acquired the IP
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
People were exited for TFA because of how bad the prequels were. When TFA was equally bad the excitement vanished. People were hoping for POTC level, but Star Wars. Instead they got the Lone Ranger, but Star Wars.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>People were exited for TFA because of how bad the prequels were
No, they were excited because they were finally getting a new Star Wars movie. People were fricking begging George to make a new one prior to Disney acquiring the IP. And also they were quite pissed at Disney for deleting the EU, so it was never about TFA. Whatever you can say about the prequels, they did a lot in expanding the universe and the IP as a whole and didn't just try to rehash the same old movies. That's why they are loved now. I have a lot of criticism towards the prequels but then again the original movies were never that good in the first place once you actually see what they were as movies instead of how influential they were.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
People were begging George to not make any more movies, ever.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
Just admit it, you were probably 2 years old in 2010. How would you even remember that? Suffice to know if you were even aware of what the frick was going on back then, you would know how much people were clamoring for George to make a new SW movie. Hell, as an example people were cumming for SWTOR and that was years after ROTS released and prior to Disney's acquistion.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>y-your young!
Nope. But we know every prequel defender saw them when they were children and had no idea most people hated them until they got internet access after 2007, when the internet got so easy to access even children could do it.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>most profitable franchise of all time, until the prequels >literally created the term blockbuster >wasn’t that good
Why even bother with posts like this? George Lucas used to be a visionary. Linklater made a career out of ripping off American Graffiti, which at the time was considered avant garde. Then the prequels seemed like they were made by a different person.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
Did I question Lucas' skills as a director? No. Without a doubt one of the greatest directors ever. But the movies themselves were incredibly influential and revolutionary in terms of special effects and set design, but they were not good movies, let's be honest. Run off the mill hero journey story for children with zero complexity. ANH on its own is just a decent movie and that's it. ESB and ROTJ are just retconned mess. That's why I said that without looking at it from the prism of how influential they were, they are mildly decent at best. Now obviously if I was a kid in the 70s watching never before seen special effects, I'd have a different perspective.
>y-your young!
Nope. But we know every prequel defender saw them when they were children and had no idea most people hated them until they got internet access after 2007, when the internet got so easy to access even children could do it.
Boomers hated them. The same boomers that watched the Star Wars kiddy films as children and loved them.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
You know why the hero’s journey is a concept? Because people like it. It speaks to something fundamental about humanity. You’re equating quality with originality. The people who do that, when they get creative control, usually just go for blood/piss/shit/cum imagery. See: mad god.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>You know why the hero’s journey is a concept? Because people like it
People also Marvel's quippy fests but that doesn't make them good movies. Compare a good movie like Barry Lyndon and its complexities to ANH (imo the best SW movie along with ROTS). The former is simple and straight to the point without any great themes, dialogue, characters or storytelling. The Nazi Germany bad Empire is trying to defeat the lil rebels. Luke and Rebels good, the Empire bad. That's basically all there is to the story. The cool factor is in the lightsabers and worldbuilding, but that alone doesn't make a good movie.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
People liked marvel movies because they were good movies. When they stopped being good movies, people stopped liking them.
And to throw your reductionism back I your face >the prequels are just sheev bad and powerful, he make super plan and cast force stupidity to be dictator for life
Except that isn’t really reductive at all. That’s literally the only thing actually happening in the prequels. Why does anakin turn? Sheev tricks him. Why does he become space dictator? He tricks everyone.
>newcomer to Star Wars: "I'll just start with episode 1, because that makes sense" >3 hours later: "Wow, that was fricking terrible, I never want to see a Star War ever again"
The prequels actually have competent actors combined with state of the art visuals and craftsmanship surrounding George’s autism.
The sequels can’t even compete.
The OT is just George Lucas autism filtered through 80s Hollywood Magic
I watched TPM as a kid and I couldn't understand the hype for the series. I had old cinema journals with some vehicles from SW and was moderately hyped but the movie's focus on comically incompetent droids and fricking gungans just killed it for me. That part where Jar-Jar fumbles through a dramatic battle and destroys a bunch of droids and I think a tank? Eugh.
What's even worse is that I kinda liked the droid deisgns, still do. The way they're stored and deployed is cool.
I mean suffering from cognitive disabilities. the podrace sequence is the embodiment of everything bad about the prequels. All this pointless flare and effects, in service to something who's outcome is already known before it even starts, due the movies being prequels.
anakin could've at least lost a limb during them, to start his slow fall, and even establish resentment towards the jedi. But no.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
Its an exciting race where anakin drives a death race to help perfect strangers. It builds character. It shows us his prowess as well. How can you claim its useless?
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
Holy hell you are moronic. I can at least understand people's issues with the clunky dialogue. But the issues you have with it are pretty fricking moronic.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
the prequels do not respect the fact the audience will know their outcome, this is a big issue with prequels in general.
Its an exciting race where anakin drives a death race to help perfect strangers. It builds character. It shows us his prowess as well. How can you claim its useless?
plot armor.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>plot armor
You are not engaging with the movie. You are not actually taking in what's happening on the screen. You know that, right? What bottomless ignorance
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>just turn your brain off bro!
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
Its the opposite. You and your ilk cannot actually process the happenings on the screen, since you have created a barrier preventing analysis of the things on screen, engagement with the medium and ability to think inside the story.
You solely engage with works by self inserting.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
You can’t map a concept or understand a hypothetical.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
You have a genuine deficiency in your brain. Its hard to put it any other way.
The fact that you view a movie race scene as irrelevant because the outcome is already decided betrays an inability to understand the basic idea behind movie-watching.
At a basic level, the capability for enjoyment of movies is wholly lost on you due to this deficiency. "What's the point, when you already know how it's going to end?".
You miss out on important themes, of characterization, of enjoyment due to action happening, of romance, of surprise and tension, of immersion itself. Your nerves are un-responsive to stimuli.
You are disqualified for any sort of input in creative discussion, effective immediately.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
what you're calling a deficiency is the ability to hold, in your mind, more than a single concept, idea, or stimulus, at a time, and compare them, actively.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
So why can't you understand cinema? The basic crux of it.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
I understand cinema. I can also watch something and think about something else, without being unable to follow the movie. I can even map where a movie is going based upon knowledge of other material.
I have gotten you to call intelligence a deficiency.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
But you admitted to lacking the capacity to enjoy a movie except in a detached way.
Even if you engage in so called "analysis", you have professed to being unable to understand the idea behind a race, even though it has a purpose within the story and helps move the plot forward, builds character, provides a nice action set piece after a period of calm as well as being used for numerous tech advancements within the movie, with some effects still holding up today (the illusion of speed through computer effects being the major one).
In the end, you can only view the scene in a robotic way, and fail to engage with the work on its own terms- ergo you have a deficiency.
At least admit to being neurodivergent before the thread closes.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
I’m talking about the prequels. A series of movies that start off, telling the viewer, to not think about where all this is heading and that palpatine is behind everything that happens. If this doesn’t immediately kick you out of a movie, then you’re just stupid. But hey, I already got you to call intelligence a disability.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
Its not about knowing the outcome. Its about finding out how everything went down.
WH40k just finished the Hours Heresy a couple of months ago and everybody already knew how it ended and it was still awesome. Literally a 15 year long prequel series where the outcome is already known and it was still based. Itls about learning the history of tenh world. Not the outcome.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>how everything went down.
sheev tricked everyone.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>sheev tricked everyone.
Exactly and nobody IRL or the fan base knew this. It was all new information. Which zoomers simply take for granted since its all they have known for their whole lives.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>It was all new information.
I'm a zoomer and it always felt obvious to me that Palpatine was The Emperor.
I'm really trying to think about him without any of the information I had from outside the OT and Prequels but his speech about Plagueus and the fact that he becomes head of the republic while they use clones makes it feel obvious.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>I'm a zoomer and it always felt obvious to me that Palpatine was The Emperor.
You are literally saying it was obvious Hitler was going to do what he did when he got elected Chancellor of Deutschland. Hindsight is always 20/20.
YOU already knew the Empire was a thind. It the prequels it did not exist yet. And literally nobody knew about Order 66. Which still to this day is onc of the most creatively genius things G.L. ever invented.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>YOU already knew the Empire was a thind.
...it was a thing in the Original Trilogy, which Gen X had access to as well.
The Original Trilogy tells us that Anakin Skywalker is Darth Vader, so we know he's going to turn to The Dark Side. We know that The Empire uses clone troopers. We know The Jedi are thought extinct by the time of the Original Trilogy.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>I'm a zoomer and it always felt obvious to me that Palpatine was The Emperor.
You are literally saying it was obvious Hitler was going to do what he did when he got elected Chancellor of Deutschland. Hindsight is always 20/20.
YOU already knew the Empire was a thind. It the prequels it did not exist yet. And literally nobody knew about Order 66. Which still to this day is onc of the most creatively genius things G.L. ever invented.
the action figure was literally named emperor palpatine. we knew going in that senator palpatine was going to be the emperor. the line about "the phantom menance" was clearly talking about palpatine.
jesus i can't even imagine thinking its an epic twist that palpatine was the emperor.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>the action figure was literally named emperor palpatine
Wait...are you thinking nobody IRL knew Palpatine was the Emperor? I think you are confused because how young you were when the Prequels came out. Everybody IRL knew he was The Emperor. They just didn't know how he BECAME the emperor. Which is partly what the prequels were about. How he BECAME the emperor. Not the mystery of who was the emperor. It's literally the same actor from ROTJ. It was never meant to be a mystery of who he was. Its an origin story.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
... anon I'm telling a moron that nothing in the prequels was new information. that everyone, except for maybe some literal children, knew that senator palpatine was going to be the emperor, and was behind everything happening.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
You are the moron that is confused as to why you were even allowed to know that Palpatine was the emperor. Like it was supposed to be a mystery or something. Its not your fault you were a kid and the reason for the movie existing went over your head. But in your older age you should have grown smarter but you haven't. Which is the real tragedy here.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
You should try reading what people post, instead off just making up a random post in your head and responding to that.
I understand I used a hypothetical, which absolutely befuddles people with IQs of your level.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
I'm the zoomer you originally started arguing with and I read your original post as you saying Sheev being The Emperor was a twist. That's why I was confused.
As to whether the way he did it was predictable or not I'll let you argue with the other guy about it.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>anyone who criticizes the prequels is generation z
what eceleb you download this from?
also the first bit off dialogue in the prequels is literally telling the audience that sheev is behind everything and pulling the strings, and then liam neeson tells the audience to not focus on that.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>As to whether the way he did it was predictable
It was not a twist and the way he did it was not predictable. Nobody. (the audience) know about Order 66. Only zoomers that have grown up knowing about Order 66 think it was completely obvious. Because they take it for granted and are too dim to think two inches outside of their own minds which is completely on brand for that generation.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>no one knew the jedi would all be dead by the end of the prequels
anon.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
I'm not even going to comment on the moronicness of this post rn. I'm just going to let it sit there and simmer in all its glory on its own.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
You're choosing to die on the hill that anything in the prequels was new information. That it was possible to go into them, having seen the original trilogy, and not know how everything would turn out.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
I am choosing to die on the hill that you are a zoomer arguing on issues that are clearly out of your depth.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
Guys I was the only person in this thread confirmed to be a zoomer, I told you right away, and I stopped arguing like 10 posts ago because all my questions were answered, please don't confuse me with this guy.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
If one is not an autist it is pretty easy to spot posts from a zoomer whether they openly declare it or not.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
Yes. Any post you don’t like was made by a Zoomer.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
Not true. There are some stealth TLJ shills ITT that are most likely jaded boomer pseuds.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>prequelgay attempts to refute claim, ends up verifying it
As what you just said was >yes, if it is not shilling and I don’t like it, it is generation z
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
see
>anyone who criticizes the prequels is generation z
what eceleb you download this from?
also the first bit off dialogue in the prequels is literally telling the audience that sheev is behind everything and pulling the strings, and then liam neeson tells the audience to not focus on that.
>y-your young!
Nope. But we know every prequel defender saw them when they were children and had no idea most people hated them until they got internet access after 2007, when the internet got so easy to access even children could do it.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
Anon. You clearly have a low iq, as evidenced by how you interpreted the hypothetical in
[...]
the action figure was literally named emperor palpatine. we knew going in that senator palpatine was going to be the emperor. the line about "the phantom menance" was clearly talking about palpatine.
jesus i can't even imagine thinking its an epic twist that palpatine was the emperor.
as a claim that it was a twist for palpatine to be the emperor.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
That Anon is not me. But it is easy to see how he assumed that you were insisting that Palpatine being behind everything was some sort of surprise twist. You say you did not mean that and it was some sort of hypothetical. Fine so be it. But you are STILL insisting that the prequels brought forth no new information. Which is moronic and just makes you look like a dumb zoomer.
That's the real issue here.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
The prequels brought no new information. Everyone, short of some literal children and morons, knew anakin was going to have impenetrable plot armor. That the characters that were never mentioned in the OT would die. That the characters that were in the OT would be fine. That sheev would be emperor by the end, that he’s behind everything. That anakin would become darth vader. We didn’t know that luke/leia’s mother would die in childbirth, because that’s directly contradicted by the OT.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>The prequels brought no new information.
I want you to step back and take a look at that statement for a minute. And just think about what you just said. Think hard. Try.
What you said is literally like someone being alive in current year North America. Seeing there is a President, an election. A war in Ukraine. A NATO led Euoropean Union across the pond. U.S. military bases in Japan and throughout SEA.
And then saying their is no new information to be had in learning the history of the United States for the last 200 years.
So what I am saying is your statement is literally the most zoomer statement in the history of zoomer statements. It ought to be put on a plaque somewhere. Even if somehow you are not a zoomer that statement was so unmistakably zoomer in spirit and aught to be applauded for how spot on zoomer it is.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
And i stand by my statement, seeing as you can't refute it.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
The only people who defend the prequels are younger millennials and older generation z. So its funny watching you REEEE this hard about your allies.
I was 13 or so. I watched Matrix and it blew my underage mind when it came to "coolness". Maybe if I was 9 or 10 I would associate myself with Anakin, but as a teenager you generally don't want to watch a cool sci-fi space movie only to find out two of the main characters are moronic CGI rabbit and a little kid who blows up the big cool starship of the bad guys.
as a kid, I did think the podrace sequence was fun, and the podrace game at the arcades was also cool. as an adult, I realize the podrace subplot adds too little to the story to justify its inclusion (and it seems like a dumb plan anyway).
I'd like to see the trend in the spikes for TPM, ATOS, and ROTS.
A spike in TPM would lead to a spike in ATOS from people watching the trilogy. I want to see how many people tapped out after TPM.
Yeah my friends and I got together and rewatched the entire PT since we couldn't make it to a theatrical showing, I guess lots of people did something similar
At all times there are 3 or 4 threads about the OT and the prequels on Cinemaphile. Right now there's more. In contrast, Disney's stuff has been forgotten like a fart in the wind.
there's not much to really talk about when it comes to avatar. the next one is going to be one off the top grossing movies off all time though, because avatar is the type of movie people want to go to the theater to see.
I don't understand why George decided to pick the storyline from here. It would have more sense of the Phantom Menace began with the Clone Wars in force.
Because its about Anakin and his relationship with Padme and how they first met. It also shows how Palpatine was seen as a complete and total good guy buy everyone. Not some shady and shifty character that everyone especially the Jedi could spot from a mile away.
Why not reduce it to a flashback or a throw-away line? We didn't need to see child Luke in the original trilogy. The whole Naboo business ends up being an excuse plot. The growing Separatist sentiment isn't even mentioned in the Phantom Menace.
>Why not reduce it to a flashback or a throw-away line?
Because that is not a story. TPM shows Anakin as pretty much 100% good. Not 'edgy" or "troubled" he was good. Which makes his fall all the more tragic. You don't get that with a throw away line.
It just doesn't make sense. He's just a generic kid in the first one, and then he's suddenly kind of a bad guy in the second one, and then he's suddenly more of a bad guy in the third one. There's no connection or reason for any of the changes in his personality and beliefs.
>There's no connection or reason for any of the changes in his personality and beliefs.
That was the flaw in the G.L.'s execution. The basic thread of the story holds true. Which is why it holds up. It was simply the execution that everybody had a problem with but in hindsight everybody should have just calm the frick down. because as we all now know. Things can get a lot worse with the SW property. You never truly appreciate what you have until its gone.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
the prequels do not hold up, at all. nothing in the first movie foreshadows anything in the second or third and nothing in them is relevant in the second or third.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>nothing in the first movie foreshadows anything
Anakin leaving his mother, leading to his massive attachment issues
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
Attachment issues come from forced separation. anakin actively chooses not to go back and get his mother.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>anakin actively chooses not to go back and get his mother.
That is a gross misrepresentation of how things happened. He was literally a kid when he left his mother and as soon as he was old enough to go back on his own he did.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>Anakin leaving his mother,
That and The Jedi fricking lying to him about freeing her.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>the Jedi actually find their prophesied messiah figure >let's treat him like absolute garbage
I still don't know whether this was intentional or shit writing by George.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>>let's treat him like absolute garbage
That was more on Mace. Because he didn't trust him. (which turned out to be right) but still Mace seemed a bit hard on him. But then nobody knew Sheev was whispering in Anakin's ear the whole time poisoning his mind.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
Attachment issues come from forced separation. anakin actively chooses not to go back and get his mother.
>Anakin leaving his mother,
That and The Jedi fricking lying to him about freeing her.
>the Jedi actually find their prophesied messiah figure >let's treat him like absolute garbage
I still don't know whether this was intentional or shit writing by George.
Phantom Menace >Anakin as a boy has no father, and an enslaved mother, himself also a slave >Despite the circumstances has some optimism and enjoys developing his talents as an engineer and podracer >obviously has deep sadness but >Has no hatred in his heart.
Attack of the Clones >Anakin as a teenager, taught to fight, and pilot attack aircraft >Now understands that his personal power is growing exponentially by the moment and begins to have issues with the Jedi's passitivy regarding specific issues. Specifically his fricking mom being taken and raped by Tuskan Raiders (Jedi council seems totally oblivious to this) >A now angry, strong, aggressive young man goes to find his mother (something most men would probably do if they were actually men) but becuase he's a teenager and has mental issues from his childhood, can't contain his hatred for the tuscans and murders not only them but their women and children >now has extreme hatred in his heart >but still manageable, still takes orders, still listens to reason sometimes (TO DEMOCRACY)
Revenge of the Sith >Anakin as a man, filled to the brim with martial arts, mental powers of a minor god, and anger and hatred beyond measure for the people that hurt his loved ones and also the people that failed to prevent atrocities from occuring not only to him but to others like him) >Decides the Jedi aren't worth keeping around and begins to see the world the way Sheev wants him to. >carries out the massacre of all like him >he is now the only force user in the public besides SHeev (who isn't publically a force user) >he is now essentially a God of Hatred who sees murder and death as small things that don't actually mean much to in the grand scheme of things. A true pyschopath but one with an understandable path that made him that way.
>redeems himself by saving his son and killing his evil mentor
That battle with the two of them is one of the most soulless, idiotic things ever done in star wars.
The clone army being clones of jango fett instead of just republic troopers is so moronic it bares mentioning outside of the second movie.
Still shit. Will always be shit. Prequel gays can literally only "win" when the rest of the media landscape is corporately-mandated diversity gay/minority slop.
Empire Strikes Back both saved and ruined Star Wars. It saved it by recasting Vader and Luke in a different light. It doomed it, by making the galaxy feel a lot smaller. Ever since then, Star Wars has been the story of the Skywalkers. The best move of the sequels was making Rei a nobody, too bad it was immediately ruined in the final atrocious film.
From ROTJ I had just always assumed it was because he was super duper old because force life extension. Not because he had drained himself using force lighting against a guy who knew how to block it wit a light saber.
Say it.
Why would I apologize when he's the one who sold Star Wars to Disney and put KK in charge in as a term of the deal in the first place? The current state of Star Wars is entirely his fault.
The current state of star wars is what it takes for gays to see he was right. The gays who b***hed about the prequels are why he sold it in the first place.
The franchise survived despite George Lucas’ best efforts. Disney killed the ability of other creatives to make anything is the franchise.
He's far too trusting
Honestly I will apologize because my moronic generation Gen X (boomers too tbh) is who harrassed Lucas and made him sick of his own world. We were drunk off power from the internet, we had access to studios for the first time and we thought we could will Star Wars "to be good" so obsessed with what we could do not thinking about if we should.
>my moronic generation Gen X
millie hands typed this.
I'm sorry you're such a greedy boomer, George.
double lightsaber is very impractical, dangerous, and gay
>impractical
yes
>dangerous
yes
>gay
no
you are gay
>Say it.
GEORGE LUCAS RAPED OUR CHILDHOOD
TLJ is the best Star Wars.
That's true but that's also not saying much
There is no better evidence that TLJ is a bad star wars movie than that people who hate star wars are the only ones who like it.
>There is no better evidence that TLJ is a bad star wars movie than that people who hate star wars are the only ones who like it.
Absolutely this
SNEED
Im sorry George For looking the pinkett reviews. I always liked the prequel trilogy
Frick you, you disgusting slob
MEESA SORRY GEORGE
George had no control over 4-6. As soon as he got control we got 1-3 and all the remasters. Fricking disgusting.
the film he had the least control on was 5 and that's the worst of the OT
>5 and that's the worst of the OT
George had ultimate control over all 6 movies, stop being moronic.
sorry fám
he liked Kenobi
I never had a problem with you, George. I concur. People should apologize to you. They owe you an apology. These manchildren bullied you into selling your life's work to white* slavers. It's all their fault AND THEY WILL GET WHAT THEY DESERVE ONE OF THESE DAYS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
John Williams carried your ass
This man thought the Obi Wan show was good, looking at the prequels and that Obi Wan series I think it's pretty clear what his vision for Star Wars is
So no I won't apologize
George Lucas has a long history of praising crap, so it’s not out of character for him. People used to think he was trolling. His bit about how science fiction before Star Wars was focused on showing off how much work they did was directed at 2001.
George will never publicly say anything bad about about Disney. Even he knows they are too powerful and can cancel anybody they get their sights on. Even him.
>Even he knows they are too powerful and can cancel anybody they get their sights on
I used to laugh about this until the day Ron DeSantis gave up on his Presidential ambitions.
You need at least a couple hundred billion $$ to be uncancelable. Like Elon level money where you can literally buy a controlling stake in the company and fire anybody in the company you want like he did with Twitter. The $4billion the G.L. has isn't nearly enough.
It ryhmed after all.
I did not care for Star Wars (1977).
Seriously, it aged the worst out of all of them. Gen Xers praise the shit out of it out of nostalgia, nothing more.
the special editions look dated. not the theatrical versions.
>not the theatrical versions.
They're even worse. Gen Xers don't have a problem since they grew up with them, but later generations do as they were exposed to the films that came after. T2 Judgment Day looks great to this day and completely shits on the OT 100%.`But that's not necessarily the OT's fault as they're just old movies made in a time when they were still figuring out the technology. T2 was in that sweet spot that allowed it to persevere decades after. Same with Jurassic Park.
Going by ILM's efforts in Transformers 07, had the prequels been made around then, the effects would've looked much better.
Imagine Michael Bay's Star Wars.
Prequel effects wre good by the time ROTS came out. Grievance is a shit character but he holds up visually to this day.
practical effects don't age.
They absolutely do.
No climactic scene in any movie ih history has topped the trench run.
The Justice League's assault on Steppenwolf's base in Zack Snyder's Justice League did.
that is incredibly random
I defended your ass during the PT and what did you do? Cancel all the games I was looking forward to, ruin the EU and sell to Disney so they can ruin the thing I defended you for even more.
Now you support them.
Yeah, sure, I'll say it:
From the bottom of my nuts, frick you, you absolute HACK.
Incredibly based
Samegay.
>Cancel all the games I was looking forward to
Blame Disney for that.
>ruin the EU
Blame Disney.
Disney had nothing to do with BF3, JK3 or KotOR 3 getting cancelled.
And TCW fricked the EU up way before Disney.
I blame Lucas.
>Cancel all the games I was looking forward to
I'm still upset over the state of kotor.
holy fricking based
based
cringe
Quit samegayging, sissy.
Stop malding, George.
Preach
disney has enough money to outright fake numbers for the phantom menace slop that has been universally panned for more than twenty years now
You owe me like 23 dollars George those movies sucked and I want my money back
You sold out, frick you.
I will never pay for a Disney-affiliated streaming service.
Ever.
>slop wars
kys
Can't wait for zoomer jar jar memes
There's an entire subreddit of them already and they're all terrible.
Gen Z's 97-12, dumbass. Do the math.
Are the sequels on Disney+
The prequels are shit and always will be. Redlettermedia was right about everything.
I too enjoyed Trope Cop
>t. Didn’t watch the Plinkett reviews
kys rlm chuck, you lost
Star wars is shit in general
Prequel movies are better pieces of art than the OT, never mind the sequels.
Just look at the amounts of discussion and feelings they evoke. They are genuinely interesting works, while the OT (sadly) has passed into some sort of collective unconscious where they are static and unchanging, and therefore entirely uninteresting to really talk about.
Furthermore, prequels by their nature create new perspective on the OT and therefore also make *those* movies more interesting.
To finish, you are simply an illiterate consoomer with very little thoughts of your own, and you communicate entirely in pre-fabricated meme replies in these threads out of scorned feeling. A gay fate for a gay man
prequels are bad watch the plinkett reviews and he explains why
homosexual opinion detected
>opinion
It’s fact, actually. Watch the plinkett reviews and you’ll agree unless you’re a brain dead contrarian.
contrarian is a rape victim word
>I need niche internet micro-celebrities to tell me what to think
lmao
>Watch the plinkett reviews
No, don't think I will.
its okay, you don't need to. they were just a collection of all the criticisms of the prequels the 2000-2007 internet had. read: adults of above average intelligence.
Roger roger~
The problem with the Prequels is that they were just George Lucas throwing shit at the wall, then followed by his incompetent direction. He wanted to make a political intrigue, Vietnam inspired, clones vs robots, but also Jedi vs Sith thriller-scifi-comedy about the heroic fall of Anakin Skywalker, but Anakin Skywalker is a whiny jerk and there are these bizarre details that take you out of things. Lucas should have given someone else the director's chair, and maybe been willing to take some criticism.
Why doesn't it work, in your mind?
They are all of those things and they do work in unison, because there's an overarching plot and rich themes that are progressed with every movie.
If you didn't agree with characterization of certain characters, that's one thing, and it's your opinion, but don't conflate that with the idea that the movie somehow was wrong when it had payoff both in a dramatic, aesthetic, logical and meta-narrative sense.
They don’t work because none of the characters are sympathetic at any point. They’re all just unintelligent. The tone of the prequels is set in the first dialogue between mcgregor and neeson
>master, should we use some of our precognitive space wizard powers to see what’s actually happening in this bizarre as frick situation?
>shut the frick up.
And then every character is exactly as stupid for the rest of the trilogy.
>"character isn't a tactical genius, like me"
>means it's a bad movie
I bet you get mad at the victims in horror movies as well you little sperg
>tries to excuse bad writing by bringing up other instance of bad writing
>end result: admitting the prequels are poorly written
Its not "bad writing" is the thing. Characters like quigon have a reason for thinking like they do, and you just dismiss it all out of hand.
Because you can't relate to other humans, because of aforementioned aspergers
>this clairvoyant space wizard has a reason to not use his powers of space wizard clairvoyance, thus all clairvoyant space wizards don't use their powers of space wizard clairvoyance
This is like writing a soldier as a pacifist, and having every other soldier behave the same way, because that's what you need for your story to work at all.
Quigon doesn't sense anything from the situation because he *desires* to stay in the here and now, apparently for philosophical reasons.
In case you missed it, he's a type of orthodox jedi that disagrees with most other jedi.
He is, at the time of the opening scene, operating as the chancellor's iron fist on a dubious, legally gray mission to intimidate a corporation into compliance. He's ready to do so and cannot mask his disdain for the "federation types" who he views as cowardly.
We can from this see that he's governed by higher principles, he's not above using intimidation and subversion to get his way, he's comfortable acting outside his jurisdiction, he has a fair degree of arrogance and pride and (later on we see this more clearly) some degree of racial supremacist views.
That quigon the character acts this way is, in other words, not very strange and in fact in line with his belief system and the context he's currently in.
you're talking around the issue off
>establish characters have this trait
>one character doesn't use this trait
>so no characters do... because that would be hard to write
To add another refutation to comparing clairvoyant space wizards to horror movie teenagers, horror movie teenagers have a reason to be stupid. they're teenagers. the prequel jedi are stupid because... they need to be for the story to work.
Addendum: the visions characters like anakin see are disregarded all the time, and we further see that yoda et al are tricked by "sensing" the future as much as they are helped by it.
As we understand from their short exchange, quigon is no fan of looking at the future, and yoda apparently is.
Later on, mace Windu and Yoda talk about how their abilities to view into the future have diminished substantially, and that this is something of a closely guarded secret.
Just one more reason why the act of clairvoyance can be explained as not mattering as much within the story.
The work to explain this shit was done, and you paid attention to none of it.
Did you even read the post?
I adequately explained why quigon has a good reason to dismiss obiwan's ideas. He doesn't need it, he perceives nothing amiss, he's there to do some dirty work,
Maybe crack a few skulls, he's aloof and focused elsewhere etc etc
Quigon only truly comes into his own when he's bartering for anakin. The image you get from him before that is of arrogance and self-assuredness. Precisely the type of guy that would NOT look into the future like a cuck padawan.
>no you see george explains it in the sequel
>also horror movie teenagers are just like the jedi
You're really holding on to that "horror movie teen" comment for dear life.
Doesn't it bring you shame to be so nakedly rat-like in your dealings with others online? Your ego can't take it ?
Yes. When you make such a shit argument, people aren’t going to let it go.
No, it's naked desperation on your part, because you refuse to engage in argumentation with me.
Running away is about all that you amount to, I suppose.
Describing the exact plot contrivances that justify the plot as written isn’t an argument.
Also explain:
> "I adequately explained why quigon has a good reason to dismiss obiwan's ideas. He doesn't need it, he perceives nothing amiss, he's there to do some dirty work,
>Maybe crack a few skulls, he's aloof and focused elsewhere etc etc"
>"Quigon only truly comes into his own when he's bartering for anakin. The image you get from him before that is of arrogance and self-assuredness. Precisely the type of guy that would NOT look into the future like a cuck padawan."
All you’re doing is describing the plot contrivance that the prequels need in order for the story to function as written. This is not proving or arguing the prequels are well written.
How is quigon's thinking in any way OOC, when you read the description I posted
He absolutely would act this way, ergo the writing, as it stands, both makes sense and cannot be called "bad".
It’s out of character for Jedi to not use their abilities, yeah. He also orders his subordinate to not use his abilities. Then further contrivance is introduced to justify not using their abilities.
Its really not. Its meant as a characterization moment for us, the viewer, as we later see obiwan was right and quigon was arrogant and wrong, as they are basically immediately gassed and attacked.
That's how stories are told, by "showing, not telling". Quigon is arrogant, Obiwan is young, but probably more talented in the force.
If quigon never found anakin, he would've been a very mediocre jedi and a pretty terrible person, but of course he finds the messiah and ends up sacrificing everything for him, asking obiwan to train him as his last breath.
>character was wrong for not using his powers
>characters continue not using their powers because sheev has cast force stupidity on them
Irrelevant dogshit reply. Heem yourself
It’s always funny how prequel defenders think explaining how the plot was contrived proves the plot wasn’t contrived.
How was the plot contrived? Genuinely asking.
>characters don’t use established abilities for reason
Is a plot contrivance. Any time you need an explanation for why characters are behaving in a manner that doesn’t make sense, it is a plot contrivance.
Quigon being that way is established in that very scene and will serve as the basis of our understanding of him as we go along the story.
Its also the reason why he moves Heaven and earth to get anakin into the jedi.
Midichlorians are also a plot contrivance. An unnecessary one at that, as it’s been established force sensitive people can feel eachother over great distances
And now you suddenly remember that the queen of naboo’s personal yacht had a Jedi midichlorian scanner on board.
>mace Windu and Yoda talk about how their abilities to view into the future have diminished
Maybe Veidt was sending miditachyons back through time
>some horror is badly written therefore the prequels aren’t
Ah, yes. Exactly what I’m looking for in great art. A 50s diner in space. Fricking nailed it. Put that shit in the damn Louvre
>a child's idea of what art is
Its by actual definition simply your homosexual opinion that your parasocial butt buddies have anything of relevance to say in any aspect of life, never mind these movies they simply are unable to comprehend
So you were fine with a 1920s jazz dive but a 1950s diner is too far for you?
a dive bar is a pretty universal concept. no matter what country you're in, dive bars are easily recognized.
1950s diner is not something that is common throughout the world.
Sars please come Delhi we have American diner 50s style too I study for homework in diner, very American. Please come (especially the women please). If India can have diner so will Galaxy's long time ago very very far away, best eggs ever.
By this logic The Last Jedi is art and better than the OT because it sparked endless discourse and controversy too
It didn't. The discussion had very little to do with the actual ideas being posited by the movies, and more about the bad sense of time, editing and flipflopping characterization and themes.
>is rey meant to be evil, or good?
>why is there yass kweening
>was the rebel mutiny justified or not, the movie flipflops about it constantly
>kylo Ren stuff
Sequels are no longer, or have not really ever, had threads discussing their meat and potatoes, their innards or what they truly mean, while we have had endless threads discussing the likes of quigon, Dooku, grievous, anakin Obiwan, Padme jar jar Dexter jettster, order 66, emperor Palpatine etc etc
I'd venture to say that the one blue twilek being gunned down in order 66 have got more dedicated threads than any "supporting" character in the sequels, old OT cast included.
Maybe even more than kylo ren.
>it sparked endless discourse and controversy too
It did?
They "create discussion" in the same sense that a toilet overflowing does.
The OT is like The Wizard of Oz or The Godfather, just so objectively good at what it's supposed to be everything you can possibly say about it has already been said. Doesn't make it any less interesting or good for that matter.
>Redditlettermedia
The prequels will always be the more interesting movies to talk about, if only because of the obvious hopes the producers and George Lucas had and how they failed to meet them. There's nothing noteworthy about the sequels, even if they are more technically competent films, because they had no vision and were motivated entirely by corporate ambitions and not by any strong creative voice. The one thing you can definitely say about the prequels is that they weren't the result of George Lucas selling out, because if he had wanted to churn out more money, he would have just remade A New Hope like JJ did
>The one thing you can definitely say about the prequels is that they weren't the result of George Lucas selling out
Lol the entire reason he made the prequels was to make money from toys
samegay
sequels are several levels below "terrible"
Same as the prequels.
The prequels had great music and art direction
The sequels didn't have any memorable music or characters or spaceships or weapons or anything, really
The prequels are only remembered for being bad. The sequels are only remembered because Disney keeps astroturfing them.
the prequels are remembered because of cool fights
the sequels are the trilogy remembered for being awful
Yeah, I want you to show me a choreography that doesn't look silly when played frame by frame.
And from a meta perspective, people always forget that in a lightsaber duel both parties have precognition, thus know in some capacity when and where certain swings and movements will commence. Thus, it becomes a dance of who can perform certain catas better or faster.
>makes excuses
Also
>they're precognitive when it’s convenient for the movie
>Ugly aliens (diverse designs, CGI)
vs
>Ugly aliens (similar designs, puppets)
Oh wow I massively prefer one set of ugly frickers over the other you're right
You have no eye for originality or aesthetics. The Disney NuWars creature designs all suck. 100% soulless. While the G.L. approved designs are all iconic in their uniqueness and originality.
....cont
However while their creature designs mostly sucks balls I will give NuWars credit for this droid design. Which I do have to admit is pretty based.
Lacks humanity, which is the whole point of droids.
?? Not sure what you are trying to say/.
Are you saying its good or bad?
Marks an ideological difference in the robot character.
In the OT and in prequels, the robot status is simply a class signifier. Like a samurai movie peasant, which r2 and c3p0 are based on.
B1 battle droids are, in this view, simply conscripted napoleonic infantry that are bullying lesser kingdoms. And they retain humanity throughout, even in ep1. "Go in corporal, we'll cover you" "uhhhh that doesn't compute" etc.
I think the quiet "mysterious" element of the NuDroid fits well with the whole Samurai theme of Ashoka. I give credit where it's due and for once they actually did something right.
Ashoka wis turbo-mid but it did have a couple of high points. Balan Skol was the other high water mark for live action NuWars. (fallen Ronin) Too bad the actor died though.
This isn't an original design. This is McQuarrie's "Droid Bounty Hunter" design for ESB.
I wouldn't say its the same design. It might have taken some inspirations. Which it should do since it is literally Star Wars. But the overall design of the Ashoka droid has enough to it to be considered an original design i.m.o.
I mean they literally try and do the same "insporation" thing with their creature designs in NuWars and fail spectacularly.
>It might have taken some inspirations.
It did:
It's a good design, just not entirely original. It's okay, since Star Wars in itself is not original, and George took inspiration from many sources.
The prequels had a lot of issues, but it felt like Star Wars and it has a rich world that is filled with intrigue and wonder. The sequels are boring and take place over the course of a week. The prequels really does feel like a galactic empire, while the sequels feels extremely claustrophobic because of so how little happens and how little we see about the universe.
The sequels ended up doing more damage than what the prequels ever did.
They basically retconned and undid the whole og trilogy and the prequels retroactively, with Rey SUE skywalker being basically a dead end for the whole franchise. Everything that come from the Disney wars beside Andor and Rogue one ranged to mediocre(the best ones) to absolute shit. There is nothing redimable from the sequels, expecially after TROS destroyed everything.
>retconned
What did they retcon?
They retroactively made the OG trilogy depressing because we know what happens to the characters and that ultimately their struggle was basically for nothing, but that's not retconning.
Somehow Palpatine was secretly alive all along is a retcon, despite it happening after the end of the movie. It was never George's plan to revive him back, in fact his return was considered bad even during Dark Empire, in which Palpatine at least wasn't as prominent as figure as today since he didn't had the whole expansion in the prequels and shows yet.
Also Rey being "the true choose one" all along is pretty much a retcon, since it was anakin the one that was supposed to bring balance to the Force. So yes, retcons happened too.
>Somehow Palpatine was secretly alive all along is a retcon
Shit I forgot about that.
My bad, I never bothered to watch ROS.
The guy who wrote Dark Empire gets a bad rep. He wanted an original villain who pretended to be Vader reborn. But Lucas told him to have the Emperor instead.
>But Lucas told him to have the Emperor instead.
Not Lucas, but Lucy Wilson who was in charge of licensing. Lucas wasn't involved at all. He even told Wilson that he would never have brought back the Emperor.
>They basically retconned and undid the whole og trilogy
The only way they retconned things was undoing the happy ending of bringing balance to the force in the galaxy. The sequels should have been set 1000 years into the future to give the victory of the OT meaning. Not 30 years. So in a way the ST did retcon the meaning of the OT. But only in a kind of non-literal way.
The one thing Mike said that is 100% true and prequel shills have no counter for is that the prequels all of a sudden were re-examined with new eyes and how "They aren't THAT bad", the same time Disney bought up the Star Wars catalog
I absolutely believe Disney astroturfed this meme so that they could monetize the whole saga and not just half of it for nostalgia
Wrong, Yidsney hated the prequels and still do it now. They removed podracing flags in post-production in TFA and the first Nu-Battlefront didn't feature the Clone Wars era. The prequels were reexamined by the audience after the massacre that was TLJ, not by those corporate rats.
could disney please post the complete rankings? or at least the top 500?
> Uh, Anakin? You do know that Palatine was the one who ordered Dooku to assassinate Padme all those years ago? And you do know that he REALLY hates her and considers her a thorn in his side? And why would a SITH LORD even allow his apprentice to be a happy family man? Anakin holy shit think for a moment.
> *Saves the galaxy*
I like prequels, but anyone who denies their writing is shit is a 100% moronic.
Lucas reshot Anakin's downfall during post-production, which is why it's all over the place.
What was it originally?
Anakin thought Padme was cheating on him with Obi-Wan. Padme was also going to try to kill Anakin on Mustafar.
Interestingly enough, George brought back the jealousy and cheating angle in The Clone Wars. It is still there in Revenge of the Sith — even if just implied and hinted at. You can see Anakin being fricking obsessive with Obi-Wan visiting their apartment while he wasn't home, and then him losing his shit when seeing him at Mustafar, "YOU'RE WITH HIM!" But yeah, it was originally a big plot point, and explicit plot point, that was lost during the reshoots.
The galaxy falls to totalitarian darkness because Obi Wan couldn't resist Nabooty
Many such cases.
>hide the evil space wizards children even though he can use space magic to sense their presense
star wars was always shit
Dumb complaint because anakin already knows all of that, and he in any case is looking to remove the emperor and have Padme rule with him
> I will kill palpatine.... MYSELF
> gets raped by force lightning
Anakin was a dumb sperg, he could have killed him immediately after killing Mace, get access to the archive and take all knowledge he needs, and then just frick off somewhere far away with Padme.
Nah, then he'd just be another insurgent.
His competing loyalties between family, jedi and republic are what's decisive.
In the end he was forced into choosing family, and he smooths over any wrinkles in the "choice" to soothe his mind and create focus, by claiming he does it out of loyalty to the republic.
Ergo, killing Palpatine, who remains his mentor and sole stable point barring Padme, is something that must be done deliberately, especially if the goal (or fantasy) is to put Padme on the throne.
Also remember that Padme ruling the galaxy has been his ideal since ep 2, and the seeds of this fantasy was planted all the way back in ep 1.
KHV incel detected
>Uh, Anakin? You do know that Palatine was the one who ordered Dooku to assassinate Padme all those years ago?
Obi-Wan doesn't know that. Also, for the billionth time, neither Dooku nor Sheev actually wanted Padme dead. Imagine unironically being too stupid to follow the story of a blockbuster space opera
He still thought he could beat Palp and become the true ruler and also believed Padme would come around to thinking like him. He didn't care until he learned she died in childbirth. Once he learned that
>NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
he became actual "Darth Vader" and his humanity died. His humanity only being resurrected by saving his son's life.
It's not a bad story it's just told like a moron would because George IS moronic.
>He still thought he could beat Palp
But he did
Anakin complains about or is held back by bureaucracy in all three prequel movies
>phantom
>asks Qui Gon to free his mom too but can't because rules
>ask Yoda to become a padawan but can't because rules
>attack
>isn't allowed to see women for ten years
>on naboo, complains that the senate takes too long to implement policy
>when chasing dooku, rushes in when Obi Wan wants to strategize
>revenge
>executes Dooku instead of waiting for procedure
>murders Windu for trying to kill Palpatine
the Windu one is interesting because Anakin does the same thing at the start of the film but Anakin hypocritically stops Windu because muh Padme. it shows that Anakin is anti-bureaucratic but only when it does not conflict with his own biases
That information wouldn’t solve anything.
Anakin was using Palpatine because he believed that it would lead him to learning how to save Padme.
>why would a SITH LORD even allow his apprentice to be a happy family man
why wouldn't he
ikr? That would be some massive leverage to keep someone in line.
It is very nostalgic movie for many
>Hey babe, can we watch those Star Wars movies that everyone always talks about?
>Sure hon, we should start with Episode 4.
>What? That's stupid. There's movies 1-9, why wouldn't we just start with 1?
>Ok, if you say so...
>...
>Wow, that really sucked. I'm never watching Star Wars again.
And then I imagine the viewcounts really taper off after Attack of the Clones. I'd be amazed if any newcomers make it to the OT watching the movies in numerical order.
The prequels are unironically better. They are more fun, have better lightsaber battles and visuals, they have better worldbuilding, they spawned Jedi Academy, Kotor, Battlefront2 and all commonly recognized good SW media
Boomers are blinded by nostalgia
this is an obvious flase flag post
Why? Anon is correct. They sparked endless creativity and discussion. Memes that are still strong, and engage with the movie in genuine ways.
Characters and action that stick with you, the best soundtrack of any Star Wars movie and by FAR the best sound effects, that came to define Star Wars as a whole in the minds of everyone.
I refer to my previous post as well:
Smart boy had someone fill his head with mounds of dog shit in place of any semblance of a brain. Prequels suck dick.
>look at the amounts of discussion and feelings they evoke
they evoke discussion because they are terrible, and they get short stories made throughout their timeline because of how bad they are. It was soo terribly made and written it needs story patches everwhere, your claim is akin to saying the leaning tower of Pisa is the epitome of construction, because it needs to be worked on non-stop to prevent it from falling. You NEED prequels to be good because you are an old-gay that bases your personality around them, I don’t need them, and so I see them for what they are.
>prequels by their nature create new perspective on the OT
The prequels ruin multiple reveals if watched in sequential order. Yoda is in three movies, then appears in V, and you aren’t going to buy into his “kooky old hermit” routine because you know who he is, and know he is a Jedi Master, so Yoda’s introduction is not a shock. Anakin being Darth Vader is also not a shock, Luke and Leia being siblings, not a shock, Darth Vader being their dad, not a shock, Palpatine isn’t even mysterious at all anymore, because you saw him as a gay Naboo senator already, and saw him become the Emperor. The prequels don’t just suck as movies, they now drag down the OT for newcomers by their poor story design. Lucas just wanted to use major characters from the OT to get people to like it from nostalgia, he couldn’t recreate what everyone else had done to make the OT’s a success. He’s the luckiest man in the world, he had everyone do his work for him, and he got all the money from it. I will celebrate the day he dies. Frick George Lucas, the greedy talentless homosexual.
>Amazon and Disney lie about streaming numbers!
>Not when it's the film I like though
I've only seen the Prequels and Sequel trilogy. I never got around to seeing the Originals. Are they good?
They're still the best movies in the entire series.
A New Hope is OOOLLLDDD but entertaining
The frick do you think?
Why didn’t George even try to make a good movie ?
the OT is good because the sets costumes and practical effects make it feel real and lived in. the prequels suck because the sets costumes and cgi effects make it feel like a generic sci fi cartoon
Wow! That's really good and it didn't even have beloved fan favourite Rey starring in it!
Imagine how good it would have done if Rey was in it? Maybe they should remake it with Rey?
The prequels defined a generation of playground swordfights
singing Duel of the Fates as you smack hoola hoops at each other, kino
Dishit is so bad that people are forced to watch TPM. How the mighty have fallen.
The sequel trilogy is to the prequel trilogy is like what the prequel trilogy is to the original trilogy.
Dexter Jetster
The Phantom Menace is the only non-OT Star Wars film that works at all. And it's carried hard by Liam Neeson, Ewan McGregor and Darth Maul.
I like how this viewing by people in all and any media is just them trying to have a personality and faking enjoyment because it makes them think they're part of a social group.
I liked these movies. Saw them young, seen them a couple of times over past 15 years on TV. I like Hayden and his Vader love revival.
However, I've been there done that. And if you keep consuming this shit forever you seriously need to be shot in the fat head.
>TPM is the best prequel
Glad we're finally setting the record straight.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-vzvCRCU82g
The prequel trilogy still being relevant feels so forced. Was it reddit? Who else would sit and overconsume such shite? I thought it was terrible when I was a fricking child with star wars bedsheets, toys, curtains and tazos.
Star Wars is on hard times and Disney needs to grab attention to make sure the franchise doesn't die out like the MCU basically has. If you think this whole "The Phantom Menace is actually super popular!" thing is organic I have a bridge to sell you.
>be a zoomer
>"me finna watch that Stars Wars boomer movies fr no cap"
>"episode 1? sure aight"
>watches TPM
>"dis shit be wack no cap"
>"dem boomers be crazy for watchin dis crap"
>never watch any SW movie
now this is podracing
I wonder how much of those views come from clueless zoomers who think Episode 1 was the first Star Wars and then quickly check out of the series when they realise how shit it is
I mean in comparison to the Disney sequels they might as well be Lawrence of Arabia
Nah. They’re both equally bad for different reasons. But now that the EU is dead, there’s nothing to pick up the slack. So the franchise is dead.
You're moronic if you actually, genuinely think the prequels aren't million times better than Disney's crap.
I’m saying they’re equally bad. That the only reason Star Wars survived the prequels was the EU. Now the EU is dead, and so is the franchise.
>I’m saying they’re equally bad
Then you're moronic. Even if you think the prequels are bad, comparing them to the sequels is an utterly moronic statement. Despite how much shit the prequels got people were still excited for new movies and the fervor pitch for a new Star Wars movie in 2013 was insane. Now nobody gives a frick and that isn't down to the prequels or the EU (even though the KOTOR games are by far the best Star Wars stories including the movies), it's down to the fact that Disney has been delivering nothing but pure goyslop ever since they acquired the IP
People were exited for TFA because of how bad the prequels were. When TFA was equally bad the excitement vanished. People were hoping for POTC level, but Star Wars. Instead they got the Lone Ranger, but Star Wars.
>People were exited for TFA because of how bad the prequels were
No, they were excited because they were finally getting a new Star Wars movie. People were fricking begging George to make a new one prior to Disney acquiring the IP. And also they were quite pissed at Disney for deleting the EU, so it was never about TFA. Whatever you can say about the prequels, they did a lot in expanding the universe and the IP as a whole and didn't just try to rehash the same old movies. That's why they are loved now. I have a lot of criticism towards the prequels but then again the original movies were never that good in the first place once you actually see what they were as movies instead of how influential they were.
People were begging George to not make any more movies, ever.
Just admit it, you were probably 2 years old in 2010. How would you even remember that? Suffice to know if you were even aware of what the frick was going on back then, you would know how much people were clamoring for George to make a new SW movie. Hell, as an example people were cumming for SWTOR and that was years after ROTS released and prior to Disney's acquistion.
>y-your young!
Nope. But we know every prequel defender saw them when they were children and had no idea most people hated them until they got internet access after 2007, when the internet got so easy to access even children could do it.
>most profitable franchise of all time, until the prequels
>literally created the term blockbuster
>wasn’t that good
Why even bother with posts like this? George Lucas used to be a visionary. Linklater made a career out of ripping off American Graffiti, which at the time was considered avant garde. Then the prequels seemed like they were made by a different person.
Did I question Lucas' skills as a director? No. Without a doubt one of the greatest directors ever. But the movies themselves were incredibly influential and revolutionary in terms of special effects and set design, but they were not good movies, let's be honest. Run off the mill hero journey story for children with zero complexity. ANH on its own is just a decent movie and that's it. ESB and ROTJ are just retconned mess. That's why I said that without looking at it from the prism of how influential they were, they are mildly decent at best. Now obviously if I was a kid in the 70s watching never before seen special effects, I'd have a different perspective.
Boomers hated them. The same boomers that watched the Star Wars kiddy films as children and loved them.
You know why the hero’s journey is a concept? Because people like it. It speaks to something fundamental about humanity. You’re equating quality with originality. The people who do that, when they get creative control, usually just go for blood/piss/shit/cum imagery. See: mad god.
>You know why the hero’s journey is a concept? Because people like it
People also Marvel's quippy fests but that doesn't make them good movies. Compare a good movie like Barry Lyndon and its complexities to ANH (imo the best SW movie along with ROTS). The former is simple and straight to the point without any great themes, dialogue, characters or storytelling. The Nazi Germany bad Empire is trying to defeat the lil rebels. Luke and Rebels good, the Empire bad. That's basically all there is to the story. The cool factor is in the lightsabers and worldbuilding, but that alone doesn't make a good movie.
People liked marvel movies because they were good movies. When they stopped being good movies, people stopped liking them.
And to throw your reductionism back I your face
>the prequels are just sheev bad and powerful, he make super plan and cast force stupidity to be dictator for life
Except that isn’t really reductive at all. That’s literally the only thing actually happening in the prequels. Why does anakin turn? Sheev tricks him. Why does he become space dictator? He tricks everyone.
No they both suck pretty hard for different reasons
It’s been said time and again that if the phantom menace was released in 1977, George Lucas would’ve gone the way of Michael Cimino
TPM is actually unwatchable
>newcomer to Star Wars: "I'll just start with episode 1, because that makes sense"
>3 hours later: "Wow, that was fricking terrible, I never want to see a Star War ever again"
The prequels actually have competent actors combined with state of the art visuals and craftsmanship surrounding George’s autism.
The sequels can’t even compete.
The OT is just George Lucas autism filtered through 80s Hollywood Magic
>competent actors combined with state of the art visuals and craftsmanship
Yes, the only other movies at the time that could compete were LOTR in terms of visuals.
>could compete were LOTR
Digital cameras and digital color grading weren’t state of the art, they were fledgling technologies that have been a disaster for film.
wow huge surprise, it's the only un-altered piece of Star Wars in existence.
>Guys! I hear "Star Wars" is a good series, but I've never watched it (lol)!
>Where should I start?
>I guess I'll start with "Episode 1?"
Wow
It’s because a whole bunch of people want to get into Star Wars, watch episode 1, see how shit it is and drop the series
I watched TPM as a kid and I couldn't understand the hype for the series. I had old cinema journals with some vehicles from SW and was moderately hyped but the movie's focus on comically incompetent droids and fricking gungans just killed it for me. That part where Jar-Jar fumbles through a dramatic battle and destroys a bunch of droids and I think a tank? Eugh.
What's even worse is that I kinda liked the droid deisgns, still do. The way they're stored and deployed is cool.
You didn't watch ep1 as a kid. If you did, you would've thrown your fricking popcorn during the pod racer sequence
this always comes as a shock to people like you, but not everyone is moronic.
What do you mean moronic?
Its an exciting race, the illusion of speed and action is well preserved. The effects hold up today.
That you didn't like it as a kid just indicates you have some type of deficiency.
I mean suffering from cognitive disabilities. the podrace sequence is the embodiment of everything bad about the prequels. All this pointless flare and effects, in service to something who's outcome is already known before it even starts, due the movies being prequels.
anakin could've at least lost a limb during them, to start his slow fall, and even establish resentment towards the jedi. But no.
Its an exciting race where anakin drives a death race to help perfect strangers. It builds character. It shows us his prowess as well. How can you claim its useless?
Holy hell you are moronic. I can at least understand people's issues with the clunky dialogue. But the issues you have with it are pretty fricking moronic.
the prequels do not respect the fact the audience will know their outcome, this is a big issue with prequels in general.
plot armor.
>plot armor
You are not engaging with the movie. You are not actually taking in what's happening on the screen. You know that, right? What bottomless ignorance
>just turn your brain off bro!
Its the opposite. You and your ilk cannot actually process the happenings on the screen, since you have created a barrier preventing analysis of the things on screen, engagement with the medium and ability to think inside the story.
You solely engage with works by self inserting.
You can’t map a concept or understand a hypothetical.
You have a genuine deficiency in your brain. Its hard to put it any other way.
The fact that you view a movie race scene as irrelevant because the outcome is already decided betrays an inability to understand the basic idea behind movie-watching.
At a basic level, the capability for enjoyment of movies is wholly lost on you due to this deficiency. "What's the point, when you already know how it's going to end?".
You miss out on important themes, of characterization, of enjoyment due to action happening, of romance, of surprise and tension, of immersion itself. Your nerves are un-responsive to stimuli.
You are disqualified for any sort of input in creative discussion, effective immediately.
what you're calling a deficiency is the ability to hold, in your mind, more than a single concept, idea, or stimulus, at a time, and compare them, actively.
So why can't you understand cinema? The basic crux of it.
I understand cinema. I can also watch something and think about something else, without being unable to follow the movie. I can even map where a movie is going based upon knowledge of other material.
I have gotten you to call intelligence a deficiency.
But you admitted to lacking the capacity to enjoy a movie except in a detached way.
Even if you engage in so called "analysis", you have professed to being unable to understand the idea behind a race, even though it has a purpose within the story and helps move the plot forward, builds character, provides a nice action set piece after a period of calm as well as being used for numerous tech advancements within the movie, with some effects still holding up today (the illusion of speed through computer effects being the major one).
In the end, you can only view the scene in a robotic way, and fail to engage with the work on its own terms- ergo you have a deficiency.
At least admit to being neurodivergent before the thread closes.
I’m talking about the prequels. A series of movies that start off, telling the viewer, to not think about where all this is heading and that palpatine is behind everything that happens. If this doesn’t immediately kick you out of a movie, then you’re just stupid. But hey, I already got you to call intelligence a disability.
Its not about knowing the outcome. Its about finding out how everything went down.
WH40k just finished the Hours Heresy a couple of months ago and everybody already knew how it ended and it was still awesome. Literally a 15 year long prequel series where the outcome is already known and it was still based. Itls about learning the history of tenh world. Not the outcome.
>how everything went down.
sheev tricked everyone.
>sheev tricked everyone.
Exactly and nobody IRL or the fan base knew this. It was all new information. Which zoomers simply take for granted since its all they have known for their whole lives.
>It was all new information.
I'm a zoomer and it always felt obvious to me that Palpatine was The Emperor.
I'm really trying to think about him without any of the information I had from outside the OT and Prequels but his speech about Plagueus and the fact that he becomes head of the republic while they use clones makes it feel obvious.
>I'm a zoomer and it always felt obvious to me that Palpatine was The Emperor.
You are literally saying it was obvious Hitler was going to do what he did when he got elected Chancellor of Deutschland. Hindsight is always 20/20.
YOU already knew the Empire was a thind. It the prequels it did not exist yet. And literally nobody knew about Order 66. Which still to this day is onc of the most creatively genius things G.L. ever invented.
>YOU already knew the Empire was a thind.
...it was a thing in the Original Trilogy, which Gen X had access to as well.
The Original Trilogy tells us that Anakin Skywalker is Darth Vader, so we know he's going to turn to The Dark Side. We know that The Empire uses clone troopers. We know The Jedi are thought extinct by the time of the Original Trilogy.
the action figure was literally named emperor palpatine. we knew going in that senator palpatine was going to be the emperor. the line about "the phantom menance" was clearly talking about palpatine.
jesus i can't even imagine thinking its an epic twist that palpatine was the emperor.
>the action figure was literally named emperor palpatine
Wait...are you thinking nobody IRL knew Palpatine was the Emperor? I think you are confused because how young you were when the Prequels came out. Everybody IRL knew he was The Emperor. They just didn't know how he BECAME the emperor. Which is partly what the prequels were about. How he BECAME the emperor. Not the mystery of who was the emperor. It's literally the same actor from ROTJ. It was never meant to be a mystery of who he was. Its an origin story.
... anon I'm telling a moron that nothing in the prequels was new information. that everyone, except for maybe some literal children, knew that senator palpatine was going to be the emperor, and was behind everything happening.
You are the moron that is confused as to why you were even allowed to know that Palpatine was the emperor. Like it was supposed to be a mystery or something. Its not your fault you were a kid and the reason for the movie existing went over your head. But in your older age you should have grown smarter but you haven't. Which is the real tragedy here.
You should try reading what people post, instead off just making up a random post in your head and responding to that.
I understand I used a hypothetical, which absolutely befuddles people with IQs of your level.
I'm the zoomer you originally started arguing with and I read your original post as you saying Sheev being The Emperor was a twist. That's why I was confused.
As to whether the way he did it was predictable or not I'll let you argue with the other guy about it.
>anyone who criticizes the prequels is generation z
what eceleb you download this from?
also the first bit off dialogue in the prequels is literally telling the audience that sheev is behind everything and pulling the strings, and then liam neeson tells the audience to not focus on that.
>As to whether the way he did it was predictable
It was not a twist and the way he did it was not predictable. Nobody. (the audience) know about Order 66. Only zoomers that have grown up knowing about Order 66 think it was completely obvious. Because they take it for granted and are too dim to think two inches outside of their own minds which is completely on brand for that generation.
>no one knew the jedi would all be dead by the end of the prequels
anon.
I'm not even going to comment on the moronicness of this post rn. I'm just going to let it sit there and simmer in all its glory on its own.
You're choosing to die on the hill that anything in the prequels was new information. That it was possible to go into them, having seen the original trilogy, and not know how everything would turn out.
I am choosing to die on the hill that you are a zoomer arguing on issues that are clearly out of your depth.
Guys I was the only person in this thread confirmed to be a zoomer, I told you right away, and I stopped arguing like 10 posts ago because all my questions were answered, please don't confuse me with this guy.
If one is not an autist it is pretty easy to spot posts from a zoomer whether they openly declare it or not.
Yes. Any post you don’t like was made by a Zoomer.
Not true. There are some stealth TLJ shills ITT that are most likely jaded boomer pseuds.
>prequelgay attempts to refute claim, ends up verifying it
As what you just said was
>yes, if it is not shilling and I don’t like it, it is generation z
see
Anon. You clearly have a low iq, as evidenced by how you interpreted the hypothetical in
as a claim that it was a twist for palpatine to be the emperor.
That Anon is not me. But it is easy to see how he assumed that you were insisting that Palpatine being behind everything was some sort of surprise twist. You say you did not mean that and it was some sort of hypothetical. Fine so be it. But you are STILL insisting that the prequels brought forth no new information. Which is moronic and just makes you look like a dumb zoomer.
That's the real issue here.
The prequels brought no new information. Everyone, short of some literal children and morons, knew anakin was going to have impenetrable plot armor. That the characters that were never mentioned in the OT would die. That the characters that were in the OT would be fine. That sheev would be emperor by the end, that he’s behind everything. That anakin would become darth vader. We didn’t know that luke/leia’s mother would die in childbirth, because that’s directly contradicted by the OT.
>The prequels brought no new information.
I want you to step back and take a look at that statement for a minute. And just think about what you just said. Think hard. Try.
What you said is literally like someone being alive in current year North America. Seeing there is a President, an election. A war in Ukraine. A NATO led Euoropean Union across the pond. U.S. military bases in Japan and throughout SEA.
And then saying their is no new information to be had in learning the history of the United States for the last 200 years.
So what I am saying is your statement is literally the most zoomer statement in the history of zoomer statements. It ought to be put on a plaque somewhere. Even if somehow you are not a zoomer that statement was so unmistakably zoomer in spirit and aught to be applauded for how spot on zoomer it is.
And i stand by my statement, seeing as you can't refute it.
The only people who defend the prequels are younger millennials and older generation z. So its funny watching you REEEE this hard about your allies.
I was 13 or so. I watched Matrix and it blew my underage mind when it came to "coolness". Maybe if I was 9 or 10 I would associate myself with Anakin, but as a teenager you generally don't want to watch a cool sci-fi space movie only to find out two of the main characters are moronic CGI rabbit and a little kid who blows up the big cool starship of the bad guys.
as a kid, I did think the podrace sequence was fun, and the podrace game at the arcades was also cool. as an adult, I realize the podrace subplot adds too little to the story to justify its inclusion (and it seems like a dumb plan anyway).
I'd like to see the trend in the spikes for TPM, ATOS, and ROTS.
A spike in TPM would lead to a spike in ATOS from people watching the trilogy. I want to see how many people tapped out after TPM.
Yeah my friends and I got together and rewatched the entire PT since we couldn't make it to a theatrical showing, I guess lots of people did something similar
George won. That's the truth.
At all times there are 3 or 4 threads about the OT and the prequels on Cinemaphile. Right now there's more. In contrast, Disney's stuff has been forgotten like a fart in the wind.
That's the avatar effect
No one is interested in talking about gay ass goyslop navi, or rey or anything like that
there's not much to really talk about when it comes to avatar. the next one is going to be one off the top grossing movies off all time though, because avatar is the type of movie people want to go to the theater to see.
The Phantom Menace is excellent.
Kino. Got one for 3?
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I always loved The Phantom Menace.
I don't understand why George decided to pick the storyline from here. It would have more sense of the Phantom Menace began with the Clone Wars in force.
Because its about Anakin and his relationship with Padme and how they first met. It also shows how Palpatine was seen as a complete and total good guy buy everyone. Not some shady and shifty character that everyone especially the Jedi could spot from a mile away.
Why not reduce it to a flashback or a throw-away line? We didn't need to see child Luke in the original trilogy. The whole Naboo business ends up being an excuse plot. The growing Separatist sentiment isn't even mentioned in the Phantom Menace.
>Why not reduce it to a flashback or a throw-away line?
Because that is not a story. TPM shows Anakin as pretty much 100% good. Not 'edgy" or "troubled" he was good. Which makes his fall all the more tragic. You don't get that with a throw away line.
It just doesn't make sense. He's just a generic kid in the first one, and then he's suddenly kind of a bad guy in the second one, and then he's suddenly more of a bad guy in the third one. There's no connection or reason for any of the changes in his personality and beliefs.
>There's no connection or reason for any of the changes in his personality and beliefs.
That was the flaw in the G.L.'s execution. The basic thread of the story holds true. Which is why it holds up. It was simply the execution that everybody had a problem with but in hindsight everybody should have just calm the frick down. because as we all now know. Things can get a lot worse with the SW property. You never truly appreciate what you have until its gone.
the prequels do not hold up, at all. nothing in the first movie foreshadows anything in the second or third and nothing in them is relevant in the second or third.
>nothing in the first movie foreshadows anything
Anakin leaving his mother, leading to his massive attachment issues
Attachment issues come from forced separation. anakin actively chooses not to go back and get his mother.
>anakin actively chooses not to go back and get his mother.
That is a gross misrepresentation of how things happened. He was literally a kid when he left his mother and as soon as he was old enough to go back on his own he did.
>Anakin leaving his mother,
That and The Jedi fricking lying to him about freeing her.
>the Jedi actually find their prophesied messiah figure
>let's treat him like absolute garbage
I still don't know whether this was intentional or shit writing by George.
>>let's treat him like absolute garbage
That was more on Mace. Because he didn't trust him. (which turned out to be right) but still Mace seemed a bit hard on him. But then nobody knew Sheev was whispering in Anakin's ear the whole time poisoning his mind.
Phantom Menace
>Anakin as a boy has no father, and an enslaved mother, himself also a slave
>Despite the circumstances has some optimism and enjoys developing his talents as an engineer and podracer
>obviously has deep sadness but
>Has no hatred in his heart.
Attack of the Clones
>Anakin as a teenager, taught to fight, and pilot attack aircraft
>Now understands that his personal power is growing exponentially by the moment and begins to have issues with the Jedi's passitivy regarding specific issues. Specifically his fricking mom being taken and raped by Tuskan Raiders (Jedi council seems totally oblivious to this)
>A now angry, strong, aggressive young man goes to find his mother (something most men would probably do if they were actually men) but becuase he's a teenager and has mental issues from his childhood, can't contain his hatred for the tuscans and murders not only them but their women and children
>now has extreme hatred in his heart
>but still manageable, still takes orders, still listens to reason sometimes (TO DEMOCRACY)
Revenge of the Sith
>Anakin as a man, filled to the brim with martial arts, mental powers of a minor god, and anger and hatred beyond measure for the people that hurt his loved ones and also the people that failed to prevent atrocities from occuring not only to him but to others like him)
>Decides the Jedi aren't worth keeping around and begins to see the world the way Sheev wants him to.
>carries out the massacre of all like him
>he is now the only force user in the public besides SHeev (who isn't publically a force user)
>he is now essentially a God of Hatred who sees murder and death as small things that don't actually mean much to in the grand scheme of things. A true pyschopath but one with an understandable path that made him that way.
>redeems himself by saving his son and killing his evil mentor
I like SW.
The movies are about Anakin and his rise and fall.
Still shittily written and executed.
Jar Jar and gungans are still moronic.
As is the droid army and CIS.
That battle with the two of them is one of the most soulless, idiotic things ever done in star wars.
The clone army being clones of jango fett instead of just republic troopers is so moronic it bares mentioning outside of the second movie.
Still shit. Will always be shit. Prequel gays can literally only "win" when the rest of the media landscape is corporately-mandated diversity gay/minority slop.
Empire Strikes Back both saved and ruined Star Wars. It saved it by recasting Vader and Luke in a different light. It doomed it, by making the galaxy feel a lot smaller. Ever since then, Star Wars has been the story of the Skywalkers. The best move of the sequels was making Rei a nobody, too bad it was immediately ruined in the final atrocious film.
>The best move of the sequels was making Rei a nobody,
k.y.s.
I mean it. Fricking TLJ shills always crawling out of the gutter to shit up SW threads,.
There's no denying that the B plot with the chase is weak and not as strong as it could be. But the A plot with Rei and Kylo is strong.
>But the A plot with Rei and Kylo is strong.
No it isn't you fuking mong. Nothing happens on that island other than Luke getting shit on for two hours.
Truth to be told, I have never seen anyone defend Rise of Skywalker.
for some reason I've heard conservative boomer types defend it irl
The only saving grace of Rise of Skywalker is Kylo Ren.
Maybe the guys on Originaltrilogy.com.
Was getting face melt to a crisp part of Palpatine's plan?
From ROTJ I had just always assumed it was because he was super duper old because force life extension. Not because he had drained himself using force lighting against a guy who knew how to block it wit a light saber.
Phantom Menace > original trilogy > the other prequiels > sequels
Yes I was 9 when I saw PM but that's just coincidence.
>Yes I was 9 when I saw PM but that's just coincidence.
kek
https://archive.4plebs.org/tv/thread/196489066/#196489559
PHANTOM MENANCE CHADS RISE UP
>ITT: milles melting down and having schizophrenic breaks
Is this what it was like when Occupy Wall Street flopped?
Every Soi Wars film made after 1980 has been shit.
Been saying it for years. Hell, probably since Ep3 came out. Phantom Menace is the best of the prequels.
The Phantom Menace is unironically better than Return of the Jedi and Revenge of the Sith is the best SW movie.
>Prequelgays total victory
>George ascend to kino-god status
>Mike Stokazzo malding on suicide watch
Imagine a more based timeline