>progressive school but accepts forced, arranged marriages like medieval times regardless of what the groom wants
wtf are they trying to tell us here?
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>progressive school
?
they said it's very common being gay in that school and same-sex marriage is acceptable (and can be forced on you even if you are not gay)
watch the anime
>same-sex marriage is acceptable (and can be forced on you even if you are not gay)
Is there really state enforced homosexuality?
no anon is sperging out because the show has cooties
aids*
>le touch grass
normalgays out
Nah, it's really only this one girl with a Rose Bride kinda deal.
>state enforced homosexuality
>straight conversion therapy
>supposedly progressive ideals undermined by rigid authoritarianism
It's just like real life fr fr
>in that school
bro it's a throw away line making fun of the red rat getting flustered
Same-sex arranged marriages do not even exist in reality. Sure, arranged marriages exist for political reasons (and is slowly being phased out the world over out of protest), and same-sex marriage is very limited and only available in way little countries, but never both at once. Well, if you count fiction, yeah, it works. I mean, it's fiction. It happened at least twice in Gundam (the first one was in IBO Gekko with the Gremory pilot and the little sister of the Dantalion pilot, G-Witch may potentially be a second one).
> Same sex arranged marriages do not even exist in reality.
https://www.nbcnews.com/feature/nbc-out/meet-straight-woman-arranging-same-sex-marriages-india-n884246
Five seconds in Google.
>progressive because le girl on girl action
>same school that has a mandated trophy wife tournament system
What did he mean by this?
We don't see any other girls in this system. It might be just Miorine because she's heir to the Beneritt group.
At the same time, Miorine acts like it's a no-brainer and completely accepted convention that her arranged marraige would transfer to the winner, as if it weren't a new thing.
It was probably in place as long as she's been at the school.
You would be impressed with the amount of places in the real world that have condradictory laws or traditions.
name seven
I'm sure there are a few whitetrash towns in the american midwest and south that probably have laws where it's legal to frick your cousin only on certain days of the week.
Seven places in America.
America
United States
USA
United States of America
US
North America
... shit, I can't find a seventh one, you win.
Despite their progressive ideals modern societies are just as authoritarian as their predecessors. Is that what you were trying to imply?
That /u/ is pure true love.
It's seasonal nu-anime. Don't think too hard and enjoy the pretty CGI
>just consoom without question
oh /m/ how low have you fallen
mecha is one of the most look at the cool design and action over the silly pointless story medium there is
gundam only became popular once the toys were made
No, it didn't. The ratings improved a bit through word of mouth after the show had been cancelled, and fans started turning up at the studio, buying any merch available, starting fanzines etc. So many fanzines in fact, that they had to form a specific circle just to sort them all out. The studio that had the rights to the music released an album during the shows run, and it was the studios best selling album that year; selling out it's 100,000 print run. Fans were writing to Bandai before they even took over the license from Clover with suggestions/demands for various units Bandai could make etc.
The films were approved on the back of that demand, not the Gunpla. The Gunpla certainly didn't hurt, but it was not solely responsible for Gundam's success by any shot, and Bandai only took the license because there was already strong demand.
holy cope
Go back vtard.
"consoom without question" is a Cinemaphile mentality, brainlet.
you are the one who should go back there
Frankly, we've answered your questions a dozen times in a dozen other threads. Now we're too lazy to deal with you. So off to Cinemaphile with you! Go on. Get.
i'm about to see barry2 sperg about yugioh in 10 seconds...9....
Money talks. Regardless of the norms of society, when the most influential person in human space decides MS duels would determine who'll be his succesor, everybody just goes along with it.
I imagine it's different if the guy who runs the place says to do it
That Delling doesn't care about his daughter.
That more people should watch Revolutionary Girl Utena.
Chuds are too stupid to enjoy that.
I saw Utena a long time ago but it barely stuck with me so I honestly didn't pick up on the parallels till they were laid out side by side.
That said, how long is this show going to just parallel an existing work?
Suletta's attitude is different from Utena so it'll probably just be an episode or two.
Yeah, I'm assuming Okuichi and co thought it'd make for a cute way to set up the first episode, but that things'll diverge pretty quickly.
OP, you are just as bad as the SJW's who have politics on the brain 247. Take your meds, touch some grass, and enjoy some good /m/ anime without letting politics rot your pea brain.
It's Utena Gundam, just roll with it.
Damnit, that sounds like an actual gundam. Does it have rose-shaped beam guns?
>implying the Witch is as based as Gundam Rose
It only has shield bits that shoots beams a noting fancy like roses or lilies.
I want more war crimes
Gotta wait until episode 3 before warcrimes happens. Until then there's the prologue.
We're one episode in jeez.
It's just a vehicle to create drama. There's no greater sociopolitical message beyond creating a funny moment where the tsundere goes "By defeating him in the duel, we are now betrothed." "UWAAAAH?? Buh-buh-but we're both girls!" [goofy face]
Don't think too hard about it, they're trying to make Utena with mechs.
The laws around the duels at the school were implemented by Delling. You can already see in this first episode that he's practically the only one in the Benerit Group that's a true believer in his bullshit - Jeturk wants him dead so that Guel's engagement to Miroine doesn't get nullified, which supposes that either the dueling would be suspended or she'd be taken out of the running because her status would change after her father's dead.
She's mostly important because she's the president's daughter so whoever marries her gets the authority that comes with that. Delling doesn't appear to give a shit about her or who she ends up with, either, as long as it's the top duelist.
The school isn't a closed system - students arrive and presumably leave after graduation - so Miroine's attitude that Mercury must be super conservative if Suletta's never heard of two girls marrying speaks to it being a general non-issue in the more cosmopolitan areas of space (i.e. not a backwater like Mercury where nobody wants to live).
It's simply to establish that whatever issues may pop up from Suletta becoming the groom, being a girl isn't one that would make her ineligible. Y'know, so we can have Utena with mechs.
>wtf are they trying to tell us here?
"Man I fricking love Utena"
>progressive
Imagine finally progressing back to the time of the Romans when two men could bugger one another and no one screamed bloody murder about it beyond telling them to do it at home.
>then the entire civilization collapsed because everyone was gay
Actually, the lack of stigma led to Trajan and Hadrian, both gay and the best emperors Rome had.
school
Is it really that progressive?
It might be something of a melting pot but the school still appears to have some rather rigid cliques even if they appear to be formed around megacorporations and their influence more so than nations or ethnicities, but there appear to be some deep biases on those fronts too. They speak of Mercury as if they're all peasants from bumfrick nowhere.
If nothing else the classism in the school appears to run deep.
And I wouldn't exactly claim that the might of rule through duels is all that progressive. Kind of the opposite. Especially in a system where the wealthy would have both better training and better equipment.
The line about the gay thing just appears to be side effect of the might makes right system the place and I wouldn't call it very progressive but a secondary consequence of a very non-progressive system.
>They speak of Mercury as if they're all peasants from bumfrick nowhere.
But that's exactly right though
Well. Sure. But they're being c**ts about it while making their supposed superiority as a higher class clear.
It's a prep school full of rich kids. Elitism is kinda expected, especially since the house/dorm you get into is based on which company sent you there.
>Elitism is kinda expected
For sure. I am not surprised. But I wouldn't call it progressive or anything like OP.
The only progressive thing is gay marriage and that's wandering into /misc/ territory.
>It's a prep school full of rich kids
The poor and gifted humans go there too as well.
because its sexy
>And I wouldn't exactly claim that the might of rule through duels is all that progressive. Kind of the opposite.
I disagree, hardcore meritocracy is actually what progressivism is meant to trend towards. All of the additional contingent social junk that has agglomerated to the general "progressive" viewpoint now is 1) secondary 2) actively deleterious to the cause, which is why it is pushed so hard by those in control.
Dueling is not a meritocracy, and this episode is pretty emblematic of that with one guy in a much more technologically advanced suit crowding out all the plebs who dare to question him in their stock units. The people in control are almost universally resistant to any social progression too; which is why it usually takes decades of activism, and often wars or riots to actually get anything changed.
>Dueling is not a meritocracy
It absolutely is.
No, it absolutely isn't. The person with the better weapon and/or training will win 9 times out of 10. And usually the only people who can afford the training historically were wealthy elites anyway, rather than plebs who had things like jobs to take up their day so they couldn't afford to actually learn to prance about with a sword. Which wasn't even a good soldier's weapon. Soldiers usually used a pike, bow and/or gun and not a sword or knife. So if some dandy decided to ponce about and slap a random joe about the face with his glove, the random joe either had to take it or get gutted like a fish if he stood up for himself; since he didn't have the equipment or the training to actually win in most cases. Which is why duels were mostly between noble puffs over trivial shit they put a lot of personal stock of honor into for no reason.
>dueling isn't meritocratic
If you understand that the only merit that matters in such a society is 'can 1v1 IRL', then it unavoidably is meritocratic. The virtues of organizing your community around who's good at killing/maining are certainly debatable at best, but living in Thunderdome will produce gladiators and the bloodiest of them will rule the less able. You brought up good nutrition and time to train as advantages of wealth, but both those things made elite fighters actually better at fighting than people who did not have them and it's the results of duels that count. The only possible way for dueling to be unmeritocratic, is if there is some outside convention that keeps the most able fighters from challenging the poseurs which would make dueling a gorey fad and not a central principle.
Great post anon!
It's worth noting that in societies with wide-spread dueling (wide-spread being a very very loose term), the majority of it was used for INTRA-group conflict, not INTER-group conflict. Which makes sense, Prussian school boys are going to have eyes on taking down other school boys, not the Kaiser.
Same thing can be said of the periods in nip history - ronin fought each other for status against each other, not the daimyo or shogun or whatever proper term was at the time.
Except the elites indulge in their own voracity making them fat and unhealthy. The slaves and soldiers would win duels this is why the elites have a champion system.
>The only possible way for dueling to be unmeritocratic, is if there is some outside convention that keeps the most able fighters from challenging the poseurs which would make dueling a gorey fad and not a central principle.
If noble blood/wealth are the deciding factor, dueling is a R-rated sideshow for fuedal oligarchs. Hired proxies slugging it out is just a judicial system with fewer funny wigs & wooden hammers. Dueling implies the principals risking themselves personally. Bringing in some mercenary to fight for your chickenshit ass means you don't have any honor to injure to occassion a duel.
Legal culture =/= honor culture
Honor culture =/= legal culture
It is for soldiers. Not so much for businessmen, politicians, administrators, or engineers. Which is relevant because Miorine is in the Business Management program.
Realistically, you want to run these matches like professional racecar teams. You've got the driver, the mechanics, the manager, the negotiators, an entire team working together to make the pilot and mobile suit crush the competition.
>Not so much for businessmen, politicians, administrators, or engineers.
That's their problem for not being good at duels anon. 1v1 final destination only no items is the ONLY fair system in anything.
reminder that Saddam Hussein challenged George Bush to a sword duel and Bush refused, bringing eternal shame to the American Empire from which it never recovered.
Saddam was quite the gamer. Shame about that Oded Yinon.
>I disagree, hardcore meritocracy is actually what progressivism is meant to trend towards.
The accumulated wealth through the generations and its associated power is what meritocracy.
By that logic corrupt nepotism placing utter buffoons in positions of power is also meritocratic if you consider his luck of being born with his wealth and connections to be his genuine merit. But that's fricking ridiculous.
>The accumulated wealth through the generations and its associated power is what meritocracy
That's not meritocracy. That's nepotism. One generation could be a fluke but their descendents would be at an advantage even if they're incompetent.
>The accumulated wealth through the generations and its associated power is what meritocracy.
wait that's not what I wrote. Frick the last part of that sentence got mixed my third and deleted sentence.
>That's not meritocracy. That's nepotism.
Yeah I know. That was my point but I kind of botched the post.
Ah, the language did seem a bit scrambled.
>The accumulated wealth through the generations and its associated power is what meritocracy.
Progressivism is rule by the business classes. What you're describing is a feature, not a bug.
Honestly I really liked the prologue, but this school setting is not doing it for me at all.
The only reason I have any interest in it is seeing Eri manage to make the whole school look like a joke without even having her bearings. But it feels like they already did that with the first episode. I get it, her MS completely outperforms the technology of a bunch of generic school boy/girl archetypes. Please don't dwell on this.
it's not a system that's meant to work, it's probably going to devolve into war in a second season
I really hope the school doesn't last a whole cour, I honestly don't think I'll get too much enjoyment out of it since all tension has already been removed from the school scenario now that we know Eri can stomp the school's alpha dog without trying.
I doubt it'll take that long. I'm expecting a proper war will start mid season.
The war is already happening outside, I don't know why you think the school itself has to be a part of it.
what would be the point of introducing these two (totally unrelated) plot threads if they're never going to intersect?
They literally already intersect.
This school is filled with the progeny of those instigating the conflict outside and serve as an introduction of political standings to the main character.
Why do you think the school won't be part of it?
Is it? What part of the episode implied there is a war in progress within the setting?
Read the webnovel.
I did, and there's nothing about war in either of the translations I read.
Why out yourself with such confidence? Just a coin flip or something?
Why not actually defend your point, by posting actual evidence rather than making random personal attacks?
Nothing I need to defend.
So you don't have a point? Okay.
There's a war going on outside, no man is safe from.
This show is spawning the dumbest threads, I fricking love it.
The principal has cameras in every room and wants to watch two girls frick
>progressive
>not forcing stupid rules/ideals onto others
In what universe?
>someone got to bring pol shit into anything fun
this is why we can't have any fun anymore and you npc b***h about why there aren't any fun left in the world at the same time
To be fair, the /misc/ shit being discussed is economic systems and the meritocratic uses of dueling. No one gives a shit about the Utena retread.
just typing "progressive" can be a dog whistle for /misc/types
/pol/types have been all over G-Witch from the moment the first episode ended. And they will be regardless of where it goes from here. If It commits to a /u/ romance it'll be shitposted to death, if it drops the romance it'll be shitposted to death. We're in the eye of the storm here and all we can do is hope to ride it out.
>If It commits to a /u/ romance it'll be shitposted to death, if it drops the romance it'll be shitposted to death.
Gentle/m/en? It's been an honor.
I know which side I'm on when the time comes to join the fight though.
(You) are /misc/. Leave /m/ and take your culture war with you
>/pol/types
What the frick are you talking about troony? Go back to twitter.
>troony
Found the /misc/type
I intent to keep swinging. Not because I think I can win but because I like arguing.
>Not because I think I can win but because I like arguing.
A self aware troony? Must be the end of the world.
One must always be self aware. Otherwise you end up bashing someone's life choices when you're own. How can you remove a splinter in your brother's eye when there is a log in yours?
>when there is a log in yours
It's a dilator.
>No one gives a shit
I mean clearly people do given the past few days
Doesn't seem that way to me. Maybe you should try to push another narrative? No one cares about boring fake yuri.
Nobody important gives a shit. There seems to be an unimportant rabble that seems to have problems with gay marriage.
The whole marriage thing is just her dad being an butthole since she obviously hates him and wants nothing to do with mega corp but grow plants on Earth instead.
That other corp CEO literally says he needs to act before this silly marriage crap gets cancelled.
I wish there will be an antagonist who is a fat ugly old man who is a god tier pilot and had gained a harem of beautiful young wives through this duel system, forcing girls he likes to become his property
Pretty sure there's a hentai like that. Or maybe it was Redo of a Healer.
That's so cliche and overused.
yuri is cliche and overused but I'm not complaining
It should be about Matthew McConaghney's character from Dazed and Confused as a high school principal who fricks all the teens while driving a sick car.
I just straight up love that guy. Best villain ever.
>I wish there will be an antagonist who is a fat ugly old man who is a mediocre pilot and had gained a harem of beautiful young wives through
There is a character like this in gundam already, you are just too much of a tourist to know about him.
Translated interview with Lynn (Miorine) and Kana Ichinose (Ericht/Suletta):
http://www.zeonic-republic.net/?page_id=9829
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Society is supposedly progressive, but there is no real equality because rich people can do whatever the frick they want?
Something like this could never happen in the real world.
Did Japan complain about this show going Yuri like the west?
if so, then maybe Banrise will listen to bring the show back to normal people by removing the Utena queer copied plot.
A few shitposters on MAL, Twitter and Cinemaphile do not speak for an overwhelming majority that seemed to be fine with, if not embrace Gundam taking a chance like that. And it seems the same is true in Japan in the Gunpla sales and threads on 2ch are any indication.
shit.
then the future works will have guaranteed gay couples to make profits from "lololol we won against the chuds xD" audience
This is your mind on western culture wars. A Japanese show made for a Japanese audience is not ever going to pander to some small western minority. There's a possible yuri couple because the director is a fan of Utena and wrote Princess Principal. Not to strike some blow for a culture war that Japan does not give a solitary flying frick about.
Japan is self-enslaving itself for American audience.
look at how Pokemon and Sony got Americanized.
they care about American political movements like LGBT and BLM more than the starving and dying people in their own country.
even companies like FROM SOFTWARE are following suit with replacing all mentions of genders to "types" for example.
the globohomosexual is real and has overtaken most of the world now.
>an overwhelming majority that seemed to be fine with, if not embrace Gundam taking a chance like that
You are delusional, the majority doesn't give a shit and just wants cool robots doing cool robot shit. Stop gaslighting troony.
Just because twitter and reddit are 95% gay and have rules that ban you if you don't support LGBT doesn't mean the majority like Gundam to be gay
Andrew Tate was banned from every social media platform because he told LGBT to stop grooming children and be on their own.
Nooooo not my heckin' favorite e-celeb
I'm just giving an example.
you either kneel to the left Nazis or you get canceled.
>left Nazis
They're communists. How historically illiterate can you be?
>finance capital funding intellectuals and thugs to hollow out the middle class and transfer all organically derived community to a bankster-state, primarily led by organized israelitery
Oh yeah sure sounds like the Nazis.
Not my fault you're a gay wedding cake at a christian bakery.
>I'm just giving an example.
Suuuuure anon.
The opening song sounds troony
So you like it?