I don't think I can remember any. Not Cinemaphile, but Naruto has a based way of reasoning with villian - beat the shit out of them and only then talking.
It makes sense a lot of the time in Naruto world. Naruto becoming strong using his method and philosophy proves his point of view is valid. Sasuke trying to be a loner and cutting those close to him out of his life to try to use his own misery to strengthen himself is flat out shown to be inferior in gaining strength to Naruto's belief in the power of the community to enhance each other so Sasuke has no choice but to concede to Naruto in the end. Naruto beating someone in battle and in philosophy are one and the same most of the time.
It seems like a common theme in any action media, maybe rare the villain listens and concedes the moral victory but the audience knows the good guy beat the bad guy cause his fighting style was morally more just. As if fighting styles are really based on some deep moral philosophy and not how quickly can you get someone you don't like to fall and not get back up. Sasuke was a gay punk and killer b could kick his ass rapping about bullshit without any philosophy. That was the realest part of Naruto.
Sasuke and most of the other antagonists were also all hypocrites which exposed them to being able to be talked out of their beliefs. Sasuke preached that letting go of bonds was the way to power but he actively creates a team to support himself with Hawk. It was always bullshit he lied to himself with and Naruto kicking his ass was just the undeniable proof of it.
Idk if that last example holds true, Sasuke didn't give a frick about anyone in taka bonds wise, he assembled the team out of pragmatism and his connection to them never went further than that.
In truth, Sasuke was mostly right about severing his bonds. His accelerated growth under orochimaru put Naruto's timeskip power up to shame. The move he almost killed Itachi with was part of his arsenal back in ep1 of Shippuden. Naruto made up the difference by the end (just barely) but has Sasuke never left the village he's prolly have maxed out at kakashi level wish was far far bellow his specs by the end.
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Naruto crushed him by the end. Sasuke was temp amped by absorbing the all the bijuu's power and Naruto was specifically not trying to kill him.
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They both lost an arm, but it's a moot point. Fact is Sasuke went infinitely further alone than he ever would have with bonds, Naruto doesn't even catch up until war begins and all of Sasuke's powerups depended on him breaking bonds. It's only on a whim Naruto even survived the river fight lol.
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The fact is that Sasuke never gave up his bonds. He was a hypocrite. He let Naruto live multiple times. His whole motivation was based on revenge for his clan. Sasuke got exposed for his hypocrisy on many occasions.
>the audience knows the good guy beat the bad guy cause his fighting style was morally more just. As if fighting styles are really based on some deep moral philosophy and not how quickly can you get someone you don't like to fall and not get back up.
That's a pretty fundamental trope of all martials arts media, that the martial art is more like an expression of the soul and character rather than merely a way to throw down. It's why you so often have a villain who might be stronger or more technically skilled losing to the hero who truly understands The Way. Martial arts and philosophy have a long history together and are usually taught as a piece, it's only very recently that the link has been severed.
That's not really the same thing. They're not "villains", just some dumbasses who run off when Supes shows up. That comment is more meant for a real villain who could throw down with Supes but instead chooses to talk it out.
When Rick finally forces Negan to stop and listen for five fricking seconds after all the bullshit escalation and bloodshed, he actually does, agrees that Rick is right and chooses to defer to him
I was in awe reading that issue, had to read it again. makes quite a lot of sense that Negan would capitulate upon hearing Rick out because at the end of the day, he doesn't like having to rule like he does.
That one comicbook page that gets shown of the Hulk telling Bullseye to pay taxes. What is he gonna do? Tell the Hulk no? Pretty easy to be reasonable when the hero is relatively unstoppable.
Not cape comic but Anya only survives because she convinces Emily everything she was doing was pointless because the life she knew and wanted to recreate no longer existed.
>For God's sake, don't do this! Just stop and listen to me! >Very well, I will hear you out. What do you have to say? >Uh...you know, honestly, I didn't expect that response and am not prepared to answer. I just thought it's something a hero should say.
You can talk The Master into killing himself by telling him his plan is stupid and wont work, after showing him some evidence he tells you to leave him alone and he blows up the church with him inside it.
You can't really have redeemable villains, or at least redemption that sticks, in a capeshit that either goes on forever or is rebooted regularly and relies on recycling the same villains over and over.
Even the questions have not so subtly shifted to having a large israeli liberal lean. I bet some /misc/ chudster could be champion without much question prep.
>Steven finishes his song thinking he convinced The Villain to stop being evil >The Villain wipes her tears >"That was beutiful but I'm still gonna kill you and destroy your planet"
I do love the idea of the villain genuinely hearing out the heroes attempts at convincing him to stop, taking the time to truly consider their words only to say "I see where you're coming from, but I can't stop. I'm sorry."
>villain stops
>"Okay."
>listens
What are some instances of that?
I don't think I can remember any. Not Cinemaphile, but Naruto has a based way of reasoning with villian - beat the shit out of them and only then talking.
>trusting a broken man who just got defeated
Sounds stupid
When we reach our lowest point, we are open to the greatest change
>the greatest way to ensure compliance is with violence
When your right your right
It makes sense a lot of the time in Naruto world. Naruto becoming strong using his method and philosophy proves his point of view is valid. Sasuke trying to be a loner and cutting those close to him out of his life to try to use his own misery to strengthen himself is flat out shown to be inferior in gaining strength to Naruto's belief in the power of the community to enhance each other so Sasuke has no choice but to concede to Naruto in the end. Naruto beating someone in battle and in philosophy are one and the same most of the time.
It seems like a common theme in any action media, maybe rare the villain listens and concedes the moral victory but the audience knows the good guy beat the bad guy cause his fighting style was morally more just. As if fighting styles are really based on some deep moral philosophy and not how quickly can you get someone you don't like to fall and not get back up. Sasuke was a gay punk and killer b could kick his ass rapping about bullshit without any philosophy. That was the realest part of Naruto.
Sasuke and most of the other antagonists were also all hypocrites which exposed them to being able to be talked out of their beliefs. Sasuke preached that letting go of bonds was the way to power but he actively creates a team to support himself with Hawk. It was always bullshit he lied to himself with and Naruto kicking his ass was just the undeniable proof of it.
Idk if that last example holds true, Sasuke didn't give a frick about anyone in taka bonds wise, he assembled the team out of pragmatism and his connection to them never went further than that.
In truth, Sasuke was mostly right about severing his bonds. His accelerated growth under orochimaru put Naruto's timeskip power up to shame. The move he almost killed Itachi with was part of his arsenal back in ep1 of Shippuden. Naruto made up the difference by the end (just barely) but has Sasuke never left the village he's prolly have maxed out at kakashi level wish was far far bellow his specs by the end.
Naruto crushed him by the end. Sasuke was temp amped by absorbing the all the bijuu's power and Naruto was specifically not trying to kill him.
They both lost an arm, but it's a moot point. Fact is Sasuke went infinitely further alone than he ever would have with bonds, Naruto doesn't even catch up until war begins and all of Sasuke's powerups depended on him breaking bonds. It's only on a whim Naruto even survived the river fight lol.
The fact is that Sasuke never gave up his bonds. He was a hypocrite. He let Naruto live multiple times. His whole motivation was based on revenge for his clan. Sasuke got exposed for his hypocrisy on many occasions.
>the audience knows the good guy beat the bad guy cause his fighting style was morally more just. As if fighting styles are really based on some deep moral philosophy and not how quickly can you get someone you don't like to fall and not get back up.
That's a pretty fundamental trope of all martials arts media, that the martial art is more like an expression of the soul and character rather than merely a way to throw down. It's why you so often have a villain who might be stronger or more technically skilled losing to the hero who truly understands The Way. Martial arts and philosophy have a long history together and are usually taught as a piece, it's only very recently that the link has been severed.
Wouldn't work on actual threats
I still can't believe Dragon Ball Super had a moment this kino buried in all the slop.
Where's the kino?
I prefer the Nanoha method
WandaVision when Vision starts talking about philosophy with the copy.
It works well when you're literally almost the same people. Easy to find common ground.
For Marvel slop this was a good twist on the “fighting your doppelgänger” trope
That's not really the same thing. They're not "villains", just some dumbasses who run off when Supes shows up. That comment is more meant for a real villain who could throw down with Supes but instead chooses to talk it out.
It literally happens in Invincible. That fight with Dinosaurus, for instance.
It's like most of the latter half of Invincible really.
Probably the best example from my memory.
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Oddly wholesome
Wow that's so stupid I loved it. I need to see this DC movie. I'm pretty hyped for crisis on infinite earths movie.
When Rick finally forces Negan to stop and listen for five fricking seconds after all the bullshit escalation and bloodshed, he actually does, agrees that Rick is right and chooses to defer to him
I was in awe reading that issue, had to read it again. makes quite a lot of sense that Negan would capitulate upon hearing Rick out because at the end of the day, he doesn't like having to rule like he does.
When Superman convinced Major Disaster to turn his life around.
>>>...by giving him aids
Never have i thought that supes was a bugchaser
A reasonable villain is the best villain.
That one comicbook page that gets shown of the Hulk telling Bullseye to pay taxes. What is he gonna do? Tell the Hulk no? Pretty easy to be reasonable when the hero is relatively unstoppable.
I'd tell the Hulk taxation is theft.
>Hulk hops away
>"HULK SMASH TAXES!"
Good, libertarians are intellectually bankrupt human garbage so it would be good to provoke Hulk into killing you.
>Can't disprove my assertion taxation is theft
>kills me instead
Proved me right.
On the other hand, wouldn't the Hulk relate to somebody who doesn't want to contribute to society?
God I miss Marvel Adventures.
Weird how they drew the cop holding a gun then deleted the gun, like it was legit on a different PS layer
Morrison’s Animal Man has a few instances like the death touch guy and Time Commander. Those happen to be my favorite issues of the run.
Not cape comic but Anya only survives because she convinces Emily everything she was doing was pointless because the life she knew and wanted to recreate no longer existed.
Zuko confronting Ozai, although it still didn't work.
>For God's sake, don't do this! Just stop and listen to me!
>Very well, I will hear you out. What do you have to say?
>Uh...you know, honestly, I didn't expect that response and am not prepared to answer. I just thought it's something a hero should say.
Did you save this halfway through loading or something?
>Protagonist out smarts villain in a fight instead of talking their way out
>villain trying to reason with protagonist
You can talk people down in some vidya, two examples that come to mind are Mass Effect and the Adam Jensen Deus Exes
You can talk Saren into an heroing for example
You can talk The Master into killing himself by telling him his plan is stupid and wont work, after showing him some evidence he tells you to leave him alone and he blows up the church with him inside it.
I basically did that ever time.
You can't really have redeemable villains, or at least redemption that sticks, in a capeshit that either goes on forever or is rebooted regularly and relies on recycling the same villains over and over.
The Goku method:
>eh it's just a phase, I'm sure he'll grow out of it eventually
>until then, the rematch will be fun!
Who is Vegeta, Tien, and Piccolo for 500, Alex.
Trebek is dead, I havent seen jeopardy since. Who's the host now? Or are they still fricking around?
They now only alternate between Ken Jennings who every likes and the israeli actress from big bang theory that people hate.
Guess I'm not watching jeopardy anymore. I might give ken a shot but right now I just dont care for it.
Even the questions have not so subtly shifted to having a large israeli liberal lean. I bet some /misc/ chudster could be champion without much question prep.
>Protagonist trying to reason with villain
>Get beaten to death/near death
That's why I like Anti-heroes, at least they get the job done.
>Steven finishes his song thinking he convinced The Villain to stop being evil
>The Villain wipes her tears
>"That was beutiful but I'm still gonna kill you and destroy your planet"
I do love the idea of the villain genuinely hearing out the heroes attempts at convincing him to stop, taking the time to truly consider their words only to say "I see where you're coming from, but I can't stop. I'm sorry."