>Protagonist trying to reason with villain

>Protagonist trying to reason with villain

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  1. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    >villain stops
    >"Okay."
    >listens
    What are some instances of that?

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      I don't think I can remember any. Not Cinemaphile, but Naruto has a based way of reasoning with villian - beat the shit out of them and only then talking.

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        >trusting a broken man who just got defeated
        Sounds stupid

        • 5 months ago
          Anonymous

          When we reach our lowest point, we are open to the greatest change

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            >the greatest way to ensure compliance is with violence
            When your right your right

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        It makes sense a lot of the time in Naruto world. Naruto becoming strong using his method and philosophy proves his point of view is valid. Sasuke trying to be a loner and cutting those close to him out of his life to try to use his own misery to strengthen himself is flat out shown to be inferior in gaining strength to Naruto's belief in the power of the community to enhance each other so Sasuke has no choice but to concede to Naruto in the end. Naruto beating someone in battle and in philosophy are one and the same most of the time.

        • 5 months ago
          Anonymous

          It seems like a common theme in any action media, maybe rare the villain listens and concedes the moral victory but the audience knows the good guy beat the bad guy cause his fighting style was morally more just. As if fighting styles are really based on some deep moral philosophy and not how quickly can you get someone you don't like to fall and not get back up. Sasuke was a gay punk and killer b could kick his ass rapping about bullshit without any philosophy. That was the realest part of Naruto.

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            Sasuke and most of the other antagonists were also all hypocrites which exposed them to being able to be talked out of their beliefs. Sasuke preached that letting go of bonds was the way to power but he actively creates a team to support himself with Hawk. It was always bullshit he lied to himself with and Naruto kicking his ass was just the undeniable proof of it.

            • 5 months ago
              Anonymous

              Idk if that last example holds true, Sasuke didn't give a frick about anyone in taka bonds wise, he assembled the team out of pragmatism and his connection to them never went further than that.

              In truth, Sasuke was mostly right about severing his bonds. His accelerated growth under orochimaru put Naruto's timeskip power up to shame. The move he almost killed Itachi with was part of his arsenal back in ep1 of Shippuden. Naruto made up the difference by the end (just barely) but has Sasuke never left the village he's prolly have maxed out at kakashi level wish was far far bellow his specs by the end.

              • 5 months ago
                Anonymous

                Naruto crushed him by the end. Sasuke was temp amped by absorbing the all the bijuu's power and Naruto was specifically not trying to kill him.

              • 5 months ago
                Anonymous

                They both lost an arm, but it's a moot point. Fact is Sasuke went infinitely further alone than he ever would have with bonds, Naruto doesn't even catch up until war begins and all of Sasuke's powerups depended on him breaking bonds. It's only on a whim Naruto even survived the river fight lol.

              • 5 months ago
                Anonymous

                The fact is that Sasuke never gave up his bonds. He was a hypocrite. He let Naruto live multiple times. His whole motivation was based on revenge for his clan. Sasuke got exposed for his hypocrisy on many occasions.

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            >the audience knows the good guy beat the bad guy cause his fighting style was morally more just. As if fighting styles are really based on some deep moral philosophy and not how quickly can you get someone you don't like to fall and not get back up.

            That's a pretty fundamental trope of all martials arts media, that the martial art is more like an expression of the soul and character rather than merely a way to throw down. It's why you so often have a villain who might be stronger or more technically skilled losing to the hero who truly understands The Way. Martial arts and philosophy have a long history together and are usually taught as a piece, it's only very recently that the link has been severed.

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        Wouldn't work on actual threats

        • 5 months ago
          Anonymous

          I still can't believe Dragon Ball Super had a moment this kino buried in all the slop.

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            Where's the kino?

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        I prefer the Nanoha method

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      WandaVision when Vision starts talking about philosophy with the copy.

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous
        • 5 months ago
          Anonymous

          It works well when you're literally almost the same people. Easy to find common ground.

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        For Marvel slop this was a good twist on the “fighting your doppelgänger” trope

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous
      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        That's not really the same thing. They're not "villains", just some dumbasses who run off when Supes shows up. That comment is more meant for a real villain who could throw down with Supes but instead chooses to talk it out.

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      It literally happens in Invincible. That fight with Dinosaurus, for instance.

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        It's like most of the latter half of Invincible really.

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      Probably the best example from my memory.

      ?t=69

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        Oddly wholesome

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        Wow that's so stupid I loved it. I need to see this DC movie. I'm pretty hyped for crisis on infinite earths movie.

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      When Rick finally forces Negan to stop and listen for five fricking seconds after all the bullshit escalation and bloodshed, he actually does, agrees that Rick is right and chooses to defer to him

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        I was in awe reading that issue, had to read it again. makes quite a lot of sense that Negan would capitulate upon hearing Rick out because at the end of the day, he doesn't like having to rule like he does.

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      When Superman convinced Major Disaster to turn his life around.

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        >>>...by giving him aids
        Never have i thought that supes was a bugchaser

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      A reasonable villain is the best villain.

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      That one comicbook page that gets shown of the Hulk telling Bullseye to pay taxes. What is he gonna do? Tell the Hulk no? Pretty easy to be reasonable when the hero is relatively unstoppable.

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        I'd tell the Hulk taxation is theft.

        • 5 months ago
          Anonymous

          >Hulk hops away
          >"HULK SMASH TAXES!"

          Oddly wholesome

        • 5 months ago
          Anonymous

          Good, libertarians are intellectually bankrupt human garbage so it would be good to provoke Hulk into killing you.

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            >Can't disprove my assertion taxation is theft
            >kills me instead
            Proved me right.

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            On the other hand, wouldn't the Hulk relate to somebody who doesn't want to contribute to society?

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        I'd tell the Hulk taxation is theft.

        • 5 months ago
          Anonymous

          God I miss Marvel Adventures.

        • 5 months ago
          Anonymous

          Weird how they drew the cop holding a gun then deleted the gun, like it was legit on a different PS layer

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      Morrison’s Animal Man has a few instances like the death touch guy and Time Commander. Those happen to be my favorite issues of the run.

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      Not cape comic but Anya only survives because she convinces Emily everything she was doing was pointless because the life she knew and wanted to recreate no longer existed.

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      Zuko confronting Ozai, although it still didn't work.

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      >For God's sake, don't do this! Just stop and listen to me!
      >Very well, I will hear you out. What do you have to say?
      >Uh...you know, honestly, I didn't expect that response and am not prepared to answer. I just thought it's something a hero should say.

  2. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    Did you save this halfway through loading or something?

  3. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    >Protagonist out smarts villain in a fight instead of talking their way out

  4. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    >villain trying to reason with protagonist

  5. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    You can talk people down in some vidya, two examples that come to mind are Mass Effect and the Adam Jensen Deus Exes

    You can talk Saren into an heroing for example

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      You can talk The Master into killing himself by telling him his plan is stupid and wont work, after showing him some evidence he tells you to leave him alone and he blows up the church with him inside it.

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      I basically did that ever time.

  6. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    You can't really have redeemable villains, or at least redemption that sticks, in a capeshit that either goes on forever or is rebooted regularly and relies on recycling the same villains over and over.

  7. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    The Goku method:
    >eh it's just a phase, I'm sure he'll grow out of it eventually
    >until then, the rematch will be fun!

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      Who is Vegeta, Tien, and Piccolo for 500, Alex.

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        Trebek is dead, I havent seen jeopardy since. Who's the host now? Or are they still fricking around?

        • 5 months ago
          Anonymous

          They now only alternate between Ken Jennings who every likes and the israeli actress from big bang theory that people hate.

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            Guess I'm not watching jeopardy anymore. I might give ken a shot but right now I just dont care for it.

            • 5 months ago
              Anonymous

              Even the questions have not so subtly shifted to having a large israeli liberal lean. I bet some /misc/ chudster could be champion without much question prep.

  8. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    >Protagonist trying to reason with villain
    >Get beaten to death/near death

    That's why I like Anti-heroes, at least they get the job done.

  9. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    >Steven finishes his song thinking he convinced The Villain to stop being evil
    >The Villain wipes her tears
    >"That was beutiful but I'm still gonna kill you and destroy your planet"

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      I do love the idea of the villain genuinely hearing out the heroes attempts at convincing him to stop, taking the time to truly consider their words only to say "I see where you're coming from, but I can't stop. I'm sorry."

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