For the love of god. Please let these woke morons adapt this to film so that i can laugh my ass off when it completely fails
Punisher
For the love of god. Please let these woke morons adapt this to film so that i can laugh my ass off when it completely fails
>You've been killing criminals all these years because your wife and daughter were gunned down in front of you... but acshually they were going to leave you!
Uh... okay? They still died? Are the writers so autistic they think it's the 'not being with him' that was the issue and not the 'savagely gunned down in a random act of violence' part that tweaked Frank out?
Also holy Frick marlel have not written a single good book for over a decade now.
I mean this isn't really anything new. The Punisher was never about vengeance. He killed criminals because he liked it and his whole "wife and child" died was just what set him off, but he avenged them fairly quickly and kept on being The Punisher for years. He was always just a vet who never left the jungle.
>real estate
yeah i'm sure those dingy basements fetched a lot of money
>you shot people!?
>that is bad
>now I shot you!!!
It's like pottery barn it's in a mall
>I took all your money Frank!
It would take him one night to knock over a couple of drug dens and collect hundreds of thousands in cash.
Inadvertently highlighting how holes can only take whilst men earn their own money.
>popular comic book character dies
>this time is for real, he isn't coming back guys I swear
>all the oher times he died and came back don't count this time is serious
>pls respond
Pretty much. The fact that he's already confirmed to be returning for the new season of Daredevil already makes this story moot.
How do you think they're going to retcon it? I think that they're going to reveal that Maria was actually a Skrull the entire time who shapeshifted into the Punisher's wife while the real Maria is still dead.
>The fact that he's already confirmed to be returning for the new season of Daredevil already makes this story moot.
lol he will literally be going after bad cops though.
Yeah, he's already done that in the comics. Killing corrupt cops is nothing new for him.
Going after street criminals would be new for him in the MCU though.
You make a good point, fellow Punisher fan.
Speaking of the Punisher, have any of you guys read the Executioner novels? They're the books that directly inspired the Punisher and they're equally badass.
Read Able Team 8 - Army of Devils. It's the usual 'vigilantes going after street scum' but it's turned all the way up to 100 and it's right-wing as frick. Just read this review for it:
https://glorioustrash.blogspot.com/2011/06/able-team-8-army-of-devils.html
And you don't need to read any of the previous Able Team books to know what's happening.
My Dad had a big bin full of Executioner novels and a few binders full of old Punisher comics, I lived for that shit lol
Punisher coming back after the netflix shows, well I suppose it couldn't get much worse...
Why the frick would a Skrull care about Punisher?
It's just one of the go-to things for Marvel/Marvel fans to make excuses. Like life-model decoys.
Has a capeshit character ever actually died for good? I don't think there's even a pretense that he's not going to return.
>Has a capeshit character ever actually died for good?
There used to be 3 constants in comic book deaths
>Barry Allen's Flash
>Gwen Stacy
>Uncle Ben
You all know by now what happened to the first two. Uncle Ben was a bit of a loophole because he came back multiple times as an alternate universe variant. But then again, so did Gwen. Picrel is Ben from a universe where he became Spider-Man. Doctor Octopus (as Spider-Man) gives a pep talk to Ben (instead of Peter) in order to convince him to help their cause
>Doctor Octopus (as Spider-Man) gives a pep talk to Ben (instead of Peter) in order to convince him to help their cause
This brings me immense disgust. They absolutely shaft Peter at every chance. I assume this was Spiderggedon
I don't read comics but my understanding is that the Octavius Spider-Man kills Spider-Man but then feels empty without him, so he replaces him.
He takes over Peter but eventually let's him back. But he also clones himself to be Spiderman again
It's a scene from Spiderverse 2. Doc Ock is pulled from the past when he was still Spider-Man's replacement, so he can participate in the new battle against the spider-eating vampire family. Comic books are moronic
Superior Spiderman is unironically the most interesting the character had been in decades.
This. I read both Superior Spider-Man runs and they were genuinely good. Unfortunately the damage to Peter's personal relationships is the downside of it since Otto didn't try very hard to actually be like him. But the second Superior run was sad at the end. I wish he hadn't done what he did, even though he felt he had to.
Damn, Slott, you post on Cinemaphile too?
Dude, they literally retired the character. That doesn't mean he is dead in comics, Marvel Comics will no longer use Frank Castle as an asset.
Hey, big gay moron, no one cares about comics. Manga outsells them 100-1. Please have a nice day.
>no one cares about comics.
>thread about comics
He'll be back in some series in less than 5 years, probably a team book
he’ll be back within 3-5 years when Marvel is desperate to sell some books and it will be a huge event of WOOOOAAAAH FRANK CASTLE IS FIGHING HIS WAY OUT OF HELL, ISNT THAT CRAAAAZZZZYYYYY???
It will still sell .01% compared to whatever manga is popular at the time
>WOOOOAAAAH FRANK CASTLE IS FIGHING HIS WAY OUT OF HELL, ISNT THAT CRAAAAZZZZYYYYY???
I'd love if we went back to 2000s butt-rock stories like this. I want to read something that automatically causes Limp Bizkit to start playing in my head.
He'll be back but it will be a quippy woman taking his place. And she won't use guns or hurt people. She'll just beat them unconscious like the rest of the good guys.
They pissed on the grave of Frank's family worse than the time that guy actually pissed on it.
She seems like such a stupid b***h in this serious of panels I can only imagine this cures Frank of his rage.
It's easier if you just pretend punisher max series is the only thing that matters
I do
Just caught up on all the recent developments on the Punisher. Man, what happened? He went from being a common vigilante, to being War Machine, to joining the Hand ninja clan, to fighting gods, then zapping himself to some alternate dimension? I would rather they had just killed him with a bullet.
Yeah the punisher has never worked outside of his own little world imo. Even corssing over with other ground level heroes makes the whole premise silly. The punisher is a much better time when it's just him mowing goons cause reasons. I need barracuda v frank irl
>they changed the punisher's logo
kek wtf
did the chuds win that hard?
Something something didn't wanna associate with the police use of their logo yadayadayada
>The Punisher's logo is now the Pirate Power Ranger's Logo
Disney execs lost their shit after a Jan 6th "rioter' was seen wearing a Punisher shirt. They were already freaking out about Punisher being liked by cops and all cops are bad corrupt serial killers to them so they went completely nuclear on the character saying he has no place in today's society and is being "retired" but unless they want to give the rights to his name and logo up they will have to bring him back every couple of years
Kek, killing criminals triggers leftists because in their minds all criminals are poor misunderstood creatures that dindu nuffin
I'm so so glad that day, in that comic shop, I put down the capeshit comic to pick up Devilman and Spriggan.
Frick the israeli comic industry.
Devilman is capeshit though
>drops comics for manga (totally not the same shit)
The Punisher was always a dumb character
I wish he was gone forever but everyone knows he’ll be back
>leftist white woman is a moron who thinks killing criminals is bad
Most realistically written foid.
It's funny, to me the woman comes off as the bad guy in this despite the writer trying their hardest to make her the hero.. How can a person look at all the criminals this man has finished and think he did a bad thing?
You ever spoke to a lefty? They're clinically moronic and believe criminals are all innocent.
Lefties are criminals themselves, they're offended by frontier justice.
This happens literally every time leftists try to write morality-narratives, especially in comics.
You have to remember that leftists basically have inverted morals. As a result, when they create a story with a clearly defined a "good guy" and "bad guy" and put it on paper, when normal people read it they get completely confused compared to what the intended narrative was. Because leftists and normal people have completely different ideas on how those terms are defined.
This.
They even stopped giving “right wing” villains dialogue because it was more appealing than the barest they actually write.
The character suffers terminally from conflicting writer visions. At one point he joins Hydra for moronic reasons, realizes his mistake, and his response is to brutally murder prospective recruits who haven’t even joined the organization or did anything bad yet
In a coherent storyline by one author this would be called hypocrisy. But capeshit is hypocritical by default because every new writer who walks in to do their take on the existing character has no qualms about undoing or contradicting his predecessor’s storyline
No wonder people have turned to manga/anime. Capeshit comics really went down the tubes
>muh leftists boogyman
have a nice days, ACAB
All Criminals Are Black?
All Commies Are Boylovers
All Communists Are Bourgeoisie.
I can smell your dreadlocks and Jordans from here, Black person
Why yes, all collectivists are bastards.
Frank is a vigilante murderer though not a cop
>ACAB!
>WAAAAAAG HELP ME, POLICE!!!! THE MEAN OLD CHUDS ARE GONNA GET ME!!!!
>You mean you want us to do the job we're ostensibly paid to do, instead of just using the power and authority society grants us to do said job to bully people and engage in corrupt bullshit?
>What are you, some kinda bleedin' heart librul gaygit!?!?
Punisher lived and died with the Garth Ennis's MAX run. Today we would never get things like that or Born/Platoon.
gay take
Wtf? Is this satire
No, and oldheads will say this was peak punisher lol
Send Frank to France to help with riots.
The writer knows that the wife is a villain in this story now? Jason Aaron knows it, right?
Why is his dead wife b***hing? She is supposed to be dead. What the frick happened?
Pretty sure it's some nonsense about the Hand resurrecting her to subvert expectations.
The ironing is there are characters who have killed WAY more people than Frank and are considered 'heroic.' Wolverine alone must have a body count in the tens of thousands.
That's because Wolverine and his son are both gay icons now. Logan has had canonical bisexual orgies with his fellow muties when they had their own cult island
Was that "him" under control?
Punisher MAX Frank would have shot and killed her. It would have probably been well done too.
With no hesitation, weather they were resurrected for real or a hallucination. MAX Frank is true Frank imo
He already did. There's a story where some butthole brings them back. When Frank sees them he burns them with a flamethrower.
The world that produced Punisher MAX no longer exists.
They’re probably doing shit like this with his character to own the tacticool gun gays have punisher stickers on their trucks. No one reads comics anymore, so who cares?
>Punisher gets killed
>Criminals again have no fear
>Crime rises again
>Mob reestablishes itself
T-thanks, Mrs. Castle...
Lol literally what happens and HAS happened IRL thanks to Democrats.
where the frick is it 6:20 anywhere on the planet?
Old photo you moron.
I've never understood this, or the superheroes desire to put him in prison.
>"We did it. That evil murderer is finally off the streets."
>Crime rises
>Prisons begin to fill
>Criminal leaders go free due to missing jurors, corrupt courts, crooked lawyers, etc
>Superheroes beat them up again and the cycle repeats himself
Frank Castle did nothing wrong
Regardless of the context for this isn`t there a contradiction between judging him over all those that he`s killed and killing him herself? You can`t really make a coherent speech about how wrong is to become a lawless avenger and then take justice in your own hands and proceed with an execution. It`s contradictory and makes no sense at all.
>INB4 Women right?
Its not really a contradiction. Being an adult is getting your hands dirty.
>Ill kill this one VERY VERY bad person to save many more innocent people even if it might make me a bad person.
But you are a hypocrite!
>k
You are evil cause you killed someone
>Yeah but I saved the people I wanted to save and I don't consider myself a good person anyway so whatever.
Its why batman is moronic.
Absolutely, but also, women, right? She comes from the dead and the first thing she does is divorce him and take 50% of his stuff. You cant make this shit up.
God I never thought about that.
>"I can't believe you killed people because you thought that was justice for us!"
>"To get justice for all those rapists you killed, I will shoot you!"
>Divorces him and gets 50% of his property and money
>Also pregnant with his child
>Even if Frank came back to the world, he owes her child support
good end
capeshitters get what they fricking deserve
I found out the other day what they did to Peter Parker too
What did they do?
He's back in school and MJ has a new family and two kids with a self insert
Do people still spend money on actual print comics anymore? I stopped buying comics over a decade ago because I noticed how consistently shitty the storylines and crossovers had become, and I’m always seeing shit like this that proves I made the right call.
>Do people still spend money on actual print comics anymore?
A single manga completely curbstomped entire US comic industry, and french comics are quite alive and well so yes, they very much do.
>comes back from the dead
>first thing she does is weasel as much money from her husband as possible
>then kills him because she’s buttblasted
wow what a fun character. I’m definitely interested in following this story arc lmao
>be dead
>still entitled to half your assets
Comic writers are morons
If if she turned up from being missing, she doesn't get half the assets
You been to divorce court lately? This is quite an accurate depiction.
*takes a massive steaming shit on a liked character for no real reason*
Comicbros why do we keep losing to Manga?
cause as much as comics pander to audiences, twice the amount of manga does whatever the frick they want.
.t patiently waiting for berserk vol42
>cause as much as comics pander to audiences
Western Comics haven't pandered to audiences for a good 10 years now. They currently pander to Tumblr.
You will also find that Tumblr and comic book fans, don't have much of an overlap.
The Punisher deserved it because he mostly just killed Italians when he should have been killing Black folk.
>posting a comic
homie i aint gon read that
How did that little nonspecific 9mm penetrate both levels of Frank Castle's advanced body armor?
Am I supposed to be on the side of the psycho b***h? Because she’s coming off as the evil antagonist here. And how is she going to say he’s bad for killing people and then kill him?
They should semi-retire the character already, only bring him back when Ennis is available
Better yet, let Ennis write a show for HBO The Punisher MAX
Dream team : Ennis on writing, John Mctiernan on directing, and Mel Gibson playing a 65 years old Frank. Give it a decent budget and no studio intervention. What a show it would be.
As based as Mel would be, I don't think he has the right look, but Hollywood magic can go far so who knows.but otherwise I would pay to watch
Who do you think would be a better fit ? If Ennis writes it, Frank will still be a Vietnam veteran, which means he'll be between 65 and 75.
Sean Bean and Jeffrey Dean Morgan come to mind along with Gerard Butler. I think the three of them with some makeup would look close to MAX
I've watch Time with Sean Bean, he's not fit anymore. Unless he gets in shape i don't think that's a go. Jeffrey Dean Morgan is an ok choice, but his range is limited. I don't see him playing a murderous military tactician without trying to insert a joke. Gerard Butler would work for sure.
Dolph is a great idea, he's proven he can do it already. I would have laughed a few years ago with the Vince Vaughn idea, but after True Detective and Brawl, i have to say it could work.
Stephen Lang and I think Scott Glenn can still do it, maybe Dolph can come back if you need a brick shit house Frank. I think Vince Vaughn can do it because of that prison movie he did. Hell, I think even Jon Hamm or Brad Pitt could do it
Man frick you for even putting that in my head.
Imagine if they did pic related today
Nobody has the balls to do this. What a great run. Imagine watching the Russia mission live action. Or who would play barracuda
>Or who would play barracuda
Terry Crews or one of those WWE guys
I think Terry can pull it off
he did murder two fairly diverse gangs at the end of his netflix show
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the cut to "in loving memory of stan lee" always gets me, kek
this is the worst iteration of the punisher. I fricking hate how much extra Nintendo bonus points the Netflix shows get because they were the first to take the medium seriously
somehow netflix had both the worst punisher (his netflix series) and the best punisher (his episodes in daredevil)
I just don't like him. I don't like his scrawny manlet look. I don't like him channeling Rocky Balboa every time he talks. I don't like how the actor that plays him is a far left anti gun lib which may pay a part in how he is played. I hate all of it. All the punishers have been pretty bad so far maybe the War Zone guy got it the closest but he was in a shit movie and is dead now. Plus Disney is only going to make this character worse.......God.......Disney owns the Punisher.......what hellscape am I living in?
The ironic thing is, this is the run that got this black friend of mine into the Punisher back in high school. He thought it was cool as shit he fought them tactically and turned their stupidity against them.
>write edgy anti-hero
>explore complex themes, gray areas and difficult life or death situations
>sociopathic cops start idolizing your clearly mentally ill serial killer comic book character
>sociopathic cops paint your logo on the guns they use to shoot unarmed non-violent criminals
yeah i cant say im surprised to see them walk this back. pretending to be a moron inevitably attracts the actual morons. i guess it works the same way with edgy anti-heroes and impotent little men looking to feel big.
The NYPD logo has killed more people then the cartoon logo you need to re-prioritize your concern trolling here.
You will never be a woman btw
I could write paragraphs about how shitty and disrespectful to the character the latest Punisher run was but, much like my penis, it's length would be embarrassing so I'll just leave it alone and sum it up.
>Punisher is now the leader of the Hand, evil demon-worshipping ninja cult
>They brought his wife back from the dead, which is why he's doing what they want
>Also likes the resources they've given him to punish people
>Only uses a sword now, uses a pistol like twice the whole run
>Has magic powers now and can fly
>New logo sucks ass since the old one is "le problematic"
>Wife can't remember that she and her kids died
>Punisher's origin is retconned into him being a sociopath since birth that set a man on fire as a child
>No longer a badass military man that lost everything in a park
>Now his backstory is he preferred to go to state executions than spend time with his family and his wife was trying to divorce him in the park that day
>Wife shoots him, avengers catch him
>He uses magic to blow himself up
>Is actually just in another dimension helping children
There's so much more. Please read it to see how awful it is and the pretentious little message the writer leaves at the end.
The magic powers upset me the most
did jason aaron write this run? he'd previously tried to stablish that it was frank who was going to dump his wife and leave her with the kids, and she was going to tell her at the park (this to explain why his mind was elsewhere and he did not notice the obvious signs a shootout was about to start)
I don't know but I hate that idea. I like his story being a guy that finally got out of the jungle of vietnam and settling down into a peaceful life, only to have it ripped away from him and turning him in to this force of nature.
It is. It's always been his thing to assassinate the characters he writes. He just apes so hard on ennis' run that he had to try to top it with his punishermax and this one while ignoring frank's characterization from the earlier runs. There's a hilarious page at the end of this run where he pulls a definition from dictionary.com
>There's a hilarious page at the end of this run where he pulls a definition from dictionary.com
Here it is. Genuinely embarrassing to read.
Lefty men are so pathetic, dude. They just have this feminine, narcissistic, immature idea of what "tough" and "serious". It's like they're internally struggling with writing masculine things because at any moment they have the urge to put on high heels and get their ass plowed.
>Ends with "God bless the beast"
>The beast is the evil demon god of the hand
Huh?
>"Thus concludes our story..."
Jason, livestream your suicide.
>Please read it to see how awful it is
it's written by jason aaron that's all I have to know
This, if you want a character ruined, just put Aaron on the book
Look at that horrible sterile colouring, generic art..shit dialogue. Holy shit the comics are just like the movies.
Really bad. Marvel and DC are creatively dead..where does comics go as a medium from here, can they be de-politicised?
Talk shit about Lee Liefeld and McFarlane but you can’t deny there was purity in the imperfect lines and anatomy of their work that bled off the page with this sort of youthful, bouncy enthusiasm. Good stories no but legit works of art. I can’t imagine why anyone would give marvel or dc cash these days
Those character designs are awful but at least there's color.
>..where does comics go as a medium from here, can they be de-politicised?
I'd say 60% of the indies are just stories being told with no agenda. And by indies I don't mean garbage like idw. Anything big 2 adjacent has at least 1 or 2 or more agenda based stories. You have to find a decent publisher and pray they don't go that route.
>I'd say 60% of the indies are just stories being told with no agenda.
I don't really read indie stuff but I agree with modern comics having too much of an agenda. There's nothing wrong with trying to say something, but it should be something well-written and genuinely thought-provoking. What comics should be doing is giving us interesting stories. I can't really think of any stories from comics in probably the past 10 years that there has been hype around. Immortal Hulk is the only one that comes to mind. And that was because it was an interesting take on an old character. Now we just get character assassination like The Punisher and Spider-Man.
modern comics aren't trying to say something. it's just a bunch of talentless people who wanted to get into writing for tv shows who ended up stuck in jobs they hate writing stories they don't care about for a medium they loathe. that's why all the stories are dumb shit that doesn't make any sense, chrischan-tier analogies to trivial interpersonal problems the author has IRL, or just outright super heroes sitting around entire issues eating food and chatting about nothing in particular
I'd argue that mainstream runs are the agenda laden ones. Limited series' and elseworlds stuff like dc black label ones, The Question's 3 issue mini-series comes to mind, are good but vary in quality. Immortal Hulk was great but Ewing himself is a bleeding heart so some story beats suffered for it, especially the whole controversy with him selling out the artist. Also, I thought Spencer's Spider-Man was great to a point but signs pointed to that shithead of an editor Nick Lowe ruining it for everyone. What
says is true, most of the writers right now are just there to pad their resume so they can move on to the next thing with no care for the product. Not to mention there's spineless editors in the mix that won't say no because they're lifers and don't want to lose their jobs