>raimi villain appears in the MCU
>inmediately mogs every villain in the verse
LOL
LMAO even
>raimi villain appears in the MCU. >inmediately mogs every villain in the verse
>raimi villain appears in the MCU
>inmediately mogs every villain in the verse
LOL
LMAO even
Dafoe is too powerful. Although a consequence is basically saying there's no oscorp or Norman in the prime MCU universe which is a bit of an issue.
More than that. MCU Peter has already faced GG, Ock, Lizard, Sandman and Electro now, so they can't really be used in the MCU.
Yeah it's my biggest issue and it's probably just a consequence of the whole sony rights shit. Basically a good chunk of Peter's rogues are now gone and he had no real attachment to the ones he faced. They also wrote out Peters extended cast from the films so now he basically has nothing. I guess they could use Mr. Negative but Insomniac stole their thunder already. So who does that leave us with, Scorpion who was set up, a Shocker who doesn't do what Shocker does, Prowler who just stands as a Miles set up, and venom with no Eddie.
Karen should’ve survived and slowly became Venom.
They could honestly do the ATSV route and popularize obscure villians and add them to MCU peters roster.
There's still MCU kingpin for peter to fight too.
>They also wrote out Peters extended cast from the films so now he basically has nothing.
Yeah but this is a good thing. MCU Peter's cast absolutely fricking sucked, across the board. They're all in-name-only versions of one of the most iconic supporting casts out there, most of them are unnecessarily raceswapped, and they're either overused and annoying or barely relevant to anything. Only Ned was ever any good, and even then I think that's only true in Homecoming.
The ending of NWH is genuinely one of the best things they could've done. It wipes away the high school shit, Stark money, and the terrible supporting cast that bogged down MCU Spidey, sets up an interesting new status quo for Peter while at the same time being a take on the classic Spider-Man set-up of him struggling along in a NY apartment, and I fricking guarantee you that Sony/Disney will revert it as soon as possible in the next film, because Zendaya is massively popular for some unknown reason and because modern Spider-Man is never allowed to grow up.
I'll be surprised if Ned and what's her name aren't back with Peter by the 30 minute mark
Ned a real one. He may be campy, but I love a good best friend/bromance dynamic.
Did you forget Peter’s still has his greatest villain to fight
Spider-Man still has a ton of classics to battle, he can let Miles have Spot.
For me, it's Hobgoblin's pose.
>so they can't really be used in the MCU
This is the mindset of boring and lazy writers. There's a lot of story potential for a character that Peter knows is a bad dude, but that bad dude is not yet a bad dude, and whether Peter knowing that the bad dude is a bad dude can prevent the bad dude from going bad. I'd love to see Curt Konners be his professor at school and have Peter know he could turn into the Lizard potentially. That's a new story.
>There's a lot of story potential for a character that Peter knows is a bad dude, but that bad dude is not yet a bad dude
The problem was the film went out of the way to at least imply these characters don't exist in the MCU.
no?
Yes, the film said there is no oscorp. Which implies either no Norman or one who isn't a rich man. In either case it doesn't matter since Feige won't use him.
there's bullshit they could pull like norman works for roxxon, he takes over the company and renames it. harry uses his mom's last name after her and norman divorced
Yeah, there's a reason he cuts off before he mention's anything about Harry.
>There's a lot of story potential for a character that Peter knows is a bad dude, but that bad dude is not yet a bad dude
But we won't get that because Feige has outright said that he doesn't want to retread waters with spiderman and the film took the time to say there was no oscorp in the MCU. Which basically implies there is no Otto, there is no Norman, there is no Flint, there is no Connors. If there is a Norman there is no oscorp and there is no pre-existing relationship with Peter and no Harry.
Feige is an idiot hack, that's not the fault of No Way Home, he kills of every villain in their first movie because he's allergic to continuity, thanks to him no one has a secret identity and super heroes aren't even a thing in the MCU, no one is a vigilante aside from Spider-Man, and that's only thanks to Sony. The MCU is honestly ass.
>no one is a vigilante aside from Spider-Man, and that's only thanks to Sony
There is another but that's mostly thanks to netflix(and I fully expect disney to frick him up in their show).
Daredevil in She-Hulk was the first time I've seen people complain that they ruined a beloved character because they made him happy for once.
You do realise he was heavily involved in Raimi's Spider-Man right?
And this changes how the MCU has been handled how?
It's kino too
Nice cope. There's a difference between being involved and being in charge.
>he kills of every villain in their first movie
That's because the big actors they get don't want to stick around.
>Feige has outright said that he doesn't want to retread waters with spiderman
We're probably not lucky enough for him to make the same decision for the characters they got from Fox.
That's probably for the best with FF, I would like to actually get a comic accurate Doom.
That seems to be the only thing comics fans are hyped about for MCU FF, but a new FF movie with the exact same villain as the previous 3 FF movies really isn't a good idea. I don't have any faith in them even trying for "comic accurate" either.
Really as many have said before Doom shouldn't be the villain of the FF film. You have the extended universe use him as something bigger than a single movie villain. Same wit Galactus too.
Galactus yes, but it would be a mistake to start with Full Cosmic Threat Doom.
I would introduce Doom in Doctor Strange 3: Triumph and Torment. Strange is already in a position to try and claim the Sorceror Supreme title back.
This story gives you a clear look into Doom's past and character, AND would be a good intro to Mephisto, and Strange does some good stuff in it too.
>but it would be a mistake to start with Full Cosmic Threat Doom.
I'm not saying as a major threat but if you go with dictator Doom than you can establish him as someone that exists and it kind of out of scale with standard conflicts of the avengers. But I agree using him in Strange like that works with that idea.
T&T is a good introduction to Latveria, Doom's ambitions to be Sorceror AND Scientist Supreme, really plays into his ego tripping, calls back to RICHARDS, has a great villain and plenty of cool shit for Strange to do.
It's one of my favorite stories with them.
All you need is Wong to stand in for Ancient One, having either other duties he wants to work on or other reasons to relinquish, and you could throw in some other sorcerous minor characters/students in the first act.
Then you have Big Ego Cumberpatch Strange playing off Bigger Ego Doom and a big fite in Hell. I'd watch that.
Honestly it could be a good way to establish Reed too if you go into Dooms backstory.
Rami Doom would be kino
Introduce Doom in Strange 3,
, I would ordinarily say do a Negative Zone tale first, but there's already too much confusing cross-dimensional shit going on. I'd only start with Annihilous if you were prepping him for his big saga down the road.
I'd go with Mole Man/Namor
or Psycho-Man
or Annihilous/Blastaar.
>I would ordinarily say do a Negative Zone tale first, but there's already too much confusing cross-dimensional shit going on.
Yeah I was thinking about this too. If Doom and Namor are both already out of the picture, then I'd say a Negative Zone film with Annihilus and Blastaar, but the MCU has done waaaaay too much dimensional shit lately that it'll just blur with the rest even more than MCU films already do.
Mole Man could be decent, but then you might run into a similar problem of spending too much time in Subterranea which functionally is just another dimension again, so you'd be better off focusing on the monsters being above ground
Alternately you could jump into the ongoing Kree-Skrull situation.
I'd rather see Annihilus, Psycho-Man, Mole Man, Super Skrull or the Frightful Four than just see another variation on the same heroes fighting the same villain again. If they'd going to use Doom, it probably makes more sense to have him fight someone else first.
Good luck getting the X-Men reboot to do anything other than Magneto yet again though.
Good thing we got them all out of the way with NWH; for all we know, MCU Peter's next outing is gonna be shit like the rest of phase 4 + 5
Just use Rhino and addapt his gauntlet story
Yeah cause as we know comic book characters can only fight their villains once ever
Still got Venom and Carnage.
Michael Mando Scorpion can carry a movie, specially if he is created by Jameson and Peter is working with him.
You realize they could easily asspull the Ultimate Goblin for the next trilogy, right? Especially considering there's knockoff Hulk serum in the black market.
The concept of Raimi's Green Goblin is really nothing amazing, it's the actor playing the part that is far too good for the MCU
Yeh, notice how fast the mask gets smashed?
I like his updated look quite a bit tbh
This looks so ridiculous, especially with how old-ass Defoe clearly is.
>"Norman you have to convince the zoomers that eating ass is based and redpilled"
>"but people poop from there"
>"Do it, you sniveling coward. DO IT!"
>"but people poop from there"
Is that the goblin telling him to do that?
Capeshit is capeshit, what's so funny?
Film needed more Norman
They wrote him better than Raimi. For one, they didn't blame him for his split personality's murders. They treated the issue like the moral grey area it is.
They childishly oversimplified it to "Norman good Goblin bad", you moron. Norman IS Goblin operating the same way comic-book version of The Mask does in that it technically is a different personality but ultimately it's Norman acting out all his hidden desires he would've never acted out upon with no inhibition. Why is he trying to corrupt Spider-Man? Because he sees him as the son he wishes Harry was.
Meanwhile MCU is just "poor innocent Norman - pure evil Goblin who's evil just because".
>Norman IS Goblin operating the same way comic-book version of The Mask does in that it technically is a different personality but ultimately it's Norman acting out all his hidden desires he would've never acted out upon with no inhibition.
And how does that, by itself, make him deserving of punishment by death? Do you deserve death for having degenerate fantasies?
>They childishly oversimplified it to "Norman good Goblin bad", you moron.
No, the original movie was the simplistic one. There's nothing childish in recognizing that a mentally ill person is not always in complete control of their own actions and that this may cause them as much suffering as they cause others. Raimi tried to focus on that with the scene where Norman is broken and tired, but that ultimately goes nowhere. The ending still treats him as 100% evil and his remorse is all a ploy to deceive Peter. You don't have to feel bad about his death at all, haha! How convenient!
The only reason some manchildren of Cinemaphile hate it is exactly because they hate moral complexity and want every victory over every villain to be simple and feelgood.
You are a genuine idiot, holy fricking shit. You are the dumbest c**t humanly imaginable.
First off, "punishment by death" implies Norman was killed by someone else and not that he fricked himself over by literally trying to backstab Peter. If I shoot at someone I try to double-cross and the bullet richochets and kills me instead, yes I fricking deserve death for being a fricking butthole and an idiot.
>Raimi tried to focus on that with the scene where Norman is broken and tired, but that ultimately goes nowhere.
Holy frick, please be a troll. You are an actual brainlet filtered by a capeshit flick from early 2000s. Yes, moron. Norman is not a good person, the serum merely amplified his worst traits as I already said. If ATTACK THE HEART NORMAN or showing little to no remorse over killing his fellow execs didn't clue you in, I have no fricking clue what to tell you. A-fricking-gain, everything Norman wants - Goblin wants because they're one and the same at their core.
And to clarify this further, if someone has a compulsion to hurt others and chooses to embraces instead of seeking treatment before it's too late, they're a shitty person.
Norman being le heckin wholesome gud boi is a gross oversimplification of the relatively complex character.
That was set up throughout the movie and you still managed to miss it because you're an idiot.
>blah blah blah moral complexity blah blah blah
Holy shit, what a pseud. I bet you think you're sounding smart right now and not like a total tool.
You can drop your unwarranted self-importance because you're too dumb for a flick for children. There is no complexity of any to be found in "side is cartoonishly good and the other is cartoonishly evil". Raimi's Norman's evil makes sense given everything about his character. MCU's is a stock Saturday morning cartoon stock villain. Actually frick that, the literal Spider-Man Saturday morning cartoon had more complexity than MCU.
And by the way, holy kek
>simple and feelgood
Yeah, like knowing that your best friend now blames you for his father's death so you're stuck with a choice of telling him the truth and putting yourself and him at risk because no one knows how rationally grief-stricken Harry would react or honoring his father's last wish and never telling him and risking putting him over the edge of grief and madness even further.
>enters your movie
>easily tricks you into thinking he's a nice old schizo who dindu nuffin
>ruins all your hard work with one little speech
>tanks your hardest hits
>beats the everloving shit out of you
>kills your Aunt May
>guilts you into curing him despite everything
>mogs every single other villain in your cinematic universe
>refuses to elaborate
>leaves
unfortunately every single point you listed here is objectively correct except for the 'mogs every other villain' point, and only because that one is subjective, so it is merely 'overwhelmingly correct' rather than 'objectively correct'. So, you're only spitting 99.9999999% truth, here.
MCU as a whole had really lame villains for some reason
could Dafoe be convinced to do an adaption of pic related?
Assuming this is a porn comic you're posting, Dafoe's already got a porn dick so
Frick Sam Raimi, frick his Spider-Man films, frick Marvel, and frick any of the morons who enjoy his trash
man existed in the mcu for 2-3 days and almost destroyed the universe for fun
>Dafoe vs a bunch of literally who
I mean, everybody saw it coming.
Is Keaton a literally who?
compared to Dafoe, yes, 100%
*I don't even know who is that*
You don't know 1989 Batman, zoom zoom?
Why are people acting like Dafoe couldn't appear in a fricking Mr. Bean movie and mog 99% of actors you would see in American films?
Marveltards are really impressed that they got a good performance out of him? Lol, lmao even
>Why are people acting like Dafoe couldn't appear in a fricking Mr. Bean movie and mog 99% of actors you would see in American films?
He reminded me of Michael Bay there for whatever reason.
I completely forgot that Dafoe was Mr. Bean. Those movies were surreal
>Raimi villain
You fricking clown. That's fricking Willem Dafoe. He could be playing the goddamn mailman and he would utterly fricking destroy. Sam Raimi has nothing to do with that power, he just used it once.
Take your fricking millennial/X childhood worship bullshit and crawl all the way up your own ass.
>That's fricking Willem Dafoe.
You could tell me he's our dimension's Norman Osborn and I'd believe you.
Ok zoomer
>inmediately mogs every villain in the verse
How angry would YOU be at your dick getting chopped off, anon?
General Zod is a better villain
Hololololeee keerist
I see a lot of dumb fricking stuff on here, and this is definitely some of it
Flash is about to Black Adam bomb
He's definitely top 5, but needed more exposure to become #1 imo.
Well he is the best
Love that most of his screentime is with the mask off, so it just looks like an evil superpowered Dafoe thrashing shit
Having strange be a segway into the ff4 could be interesting if you find a way to have spidey join up. He gets to work with non-avenger equals while shaking up the usual 4's set-up that just hasn't seemed to work in the past. How many live action takes do we have at this point?
i actually really like the mcu in general as a 'turn your brain entirely off and enjoy some generally fun and positive punching and quipping', as a sort of harmless entertainment slurry with no real cost or benefit, but deep down I really do resonate with this. He and Doc Ock showed up and not only stole the entire movie, they pissed on almost every major villain in the MCU. Two scenes with the Goblin and like, who gives any kind of a shit about Kang, or fricking Ironmonger, or goddamn Baron Mordo or whoever the frick. Characters I would have regarded with a mild 'hm!' and a slight raising of my eyebrow, all of a sudden I hated them, because for a fraction of a second my brain actually activated when Willem Dafoe said Dialog with actual Meaning and Emotion behind it.