Back when? 2011? Songs about trauma existed way before that. You didn't care because it had nothing to do with lesbians. Hell the fries song is a trauma dump too but no one here cares because it's not about lesbians.
Yes, it did. Even the absurd ones like Yankee Doodle's message was an insult to the American Colonists, or many French revolutionary songs were intended to be propaganda. Even if we're discounting the political ones, most songs did have a message of either enjoying life like campfire songs. Not a random ass trauma dump in the middle.
Those are absurdly flimsy goalposts, modernity means nothing, but the general consensus is that the modern age starts at the Industrial Revolution, not the end of WW2
>End of WW2
I'd put a distinction on it, the end of WW2 begins the end of the Old World ties, and into a new era of social and cultural change.
First song in human history is a trauma dump about a gay king failing a resurrection quest for his cave man bara top. Lines are dedicated explicitly to how moths eat your penis in the after life. This is the big NO for the entire song.
You have been provably wrong this entire time. And your missing out on good music. Which is arguably worse.
? The OP says random trauma dump. If your song is intended of the message of mourning then that's fine. But if your song is literally something else with a random ass trauma dump, then it reeks of the illness modernity
8 months ago
Anonymous
Did you even listen to the song or did you just come here to b***h? The entire song is consistent thematically, it's all about Marceline's problems with PB.
8 months ago
Anonymous
La-da-da-da-da
I'm gonna bury you in the ground
La-da-da-da-da
I'm gonna bury you with my sound
I'm gonna, drink the red
From your pretty pink face
[PB merely interrupts then Marceline trauma dumps]
It was a trauma dump. It was a teasing song against PB, until Marceline gets PTSD from their past relationship. From a teasing song to Bubblegum, and maybe even flirty to a trauma dump song. I wouldn't have any problems if the song was just Marceline teasing PB, but she trauma dumps.
8 months ago
Anonymous
So? This is pretty normal, especially for a song. Marceline wanted to express her frustration in a safe way by teasing but ended up escalating and spilling her real emotions.
8 months ago
Anonymous
Oh, the song is good, fitting for the character. The main point still is that Marceline just trauma dumps, as OP says.
Fitting for Marceline, but again I don't like trauma dumps, just stick to the main point of the song.
8 months ago
Anonymous
PB asked her to stop because she was teasing her about killing her then she plays victim about her being a controlling b***h in their past. It's not normal she just randomly started trauma dumping onto Finn and Jake.
8 months ago
Anonymous
Yeah, it's almost like Marceline has unresolved pent-up issues with PB and that's the point.
8 months ago
Anonymous
Which she forgets and junps back into PB's arms like the basic b***h she is. R&B, Blues, and other songs served as a reminder fo stay away from women like PB. Marcy was just being another whiny arthoe on Tumblr lke Sugar is IRL.
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8 months ago
Anonymous
>Which she forgets and junps back into PB's arms like the basic b***h she is.
It took PB several seasons to regain her trust.
8 months ago
Anonymous
Funny enough Marceline still comes at her in the last episode and PB has to swear she didn't do it.
8 months ago
Anonymous
Songs about wanting to kill your ex lover are not trauma dumps. It’s blues.
8 months ago
Anonymous
She was being playful until she got PTSD. It went from teasingly killing/eating her, to literally "This is why we broke up". Though it kinda like Jazz.
8 months ago
Anonymous
He's just here to b***h.
8 months ago
Anonymous
OP says trauma dump. I mention that Marceline's song is fitting, but nonetheless it turns a teasing song to a trauma dump. Again, stick to one message, and don't muddle it.
Those are absurdly flimsy goalposts, modernity means nothing, but the general consensus is that the modern age starts at the Industrial Revolution, not the end of WW2
First song in human history is a trauma dump about a gay king failing a resurrection quest for his cave man bara top. Lines are dedicated explicitly to how moths eat your penis in the after life. This is the big NO for the entire song.
You have been provably wrong this entire time. And your missing out on good music. Which is arguably worse.
Hey homosexual, not everyone is a braindead loser who watches cartoons for escapism like you. Some people think it's interesting and refreshing to see something serious and personal tackled in a show like this. Though admittedly I never much related to whatever Sugar's problems were in particular, but there's nothing wrong with the principle.
There is no substance in rich kids whining through a cartoon character.
8 months ago
Anonymous
If there is conflict, there is substance. A character expressing their true anguish they don't normally show in a song is a textbook example of giving them depth. Sorry you're too moronic to even dare to think outside of your comfort zone labels for even a second.
This is the episode when AT start declining. Stop being about wacky adventures with bizarre solutions just to focus on feelings and being wholesome. Not to mention this episode started the whole Bubline shit, all thanks to Sugar for setting the first nail to end this show.
NTA but between the constant shipping bullshit Sugar forced into the show, PB's edgy pragmatism going hog wild but more sadgirl lesbian songs, both Sugar & Muto trying to replace Finn & Jake with PB & Marcy's DeviantART daddy issue dramabombs, and said bullshit culminating into the Fionna & Cake shitfest. What's the lie here?
PB doesn't sing sadgirl lesbian songs, and the majority of every season is not taken up by her and Marceline's relationship. Not to mention that Marceline's dad appears like 4 times in the show total.
>Nightosphere Eps >PB eps constantly trying to wooby her bad actions because without "Muh Marcy" she's a sadgirl mess with Marcy singing songs about it (if you were confused again about that) >They get back together in S2 with Nightosphere and just coast for the seasons onward.
And the daddy issues isn't just Hunsoon but also Simon/Ice King which was even worse. Again this was just Sugar writing another edgy deviantArt fanfic revisionism that killed the show with Bubbline and deepest lore trauma drama. It did ruin AT & killed the Adventure in Adventure Time just like it killed Steven Universe in S3+, Future, & The Movie. Same shit killed Fionna & Cake too since instead of Adventures, it just Adulting is Hard/Trauma Drama with Allegri & Muto.
>They get back together in S2 with Nightosphere and just coast for the seasons onward.
...what? This is just blatantly fase.
As for everything else, well, that sure is a lot of buzzwords to dismiss everything about those storylines and also ignore everything else about the show.
>Nightosphere Eps
Those episodes are about Finn and Marcy, it's literally just proto Hotel Transylvania. And I'm saying this as someone who doesn't even like Sugar's "dramatic" writing.
8 months ago
Anonymous
>They get back together in S2 with Nightosphere and just coast for the seasons onward.
...what? This is just blatantly fase.
As for everything else, well, that sure is a lot of buzzwords to dismiss everything about those storylines and also ignore everything else about the show.
First Nightosphere ep (S2) was about her sadgirl daddy issues with Hunsoon that later also spilled over with Ice King/Simon while also trying to allegory said distance with PB. Season 3 kept at it with What Was Missing since Sugar kept patting herself on the back for a GLAAD award but messed up the message with Incendium since Finn is weird for the same things PB does with Marcy's T-Shirt. Again if PB & Marcy never got together that be fine but Sugar was practically forcing them together again when the same reasons Marcy shouldn't be with Ash, Finn, etc by Sugar's own writing was clear as day, especially after forcing it deeper with the S4 Nightosphere eps. >Inb4 Finncel
Sugar kept playing apologencia for PB through Marcy when even by her writing they shouldn't of been together outside of her insessant shipping which ruined AT (and also SU too at points). Finn shouldn't be with Marcy or PB because they can't really both of them can't love or treat anyone like anything but a fling/tool.
8 months ago
Anonymous
>since Finn is weird for the same things PB does with Marcy's T-Shirt.
Because there was a chance for Marceline to reciprocate PB's feelings, while Finn needed to move on. You could say it's a double standard, but the show did treat both situations with sympathy and I'm pretty sure Sugar didn't intend for Finn to break up with FP later.
Also by the time Sugar was still involved, PB barely did anything immortal that we knew of, so there was little to play advocate for. And if anything Marceline was there to help redeem her, rather than make excuses for her.
8 months ago
Anonymous
>Treating both with sympathy >What Was Missing instead glosses over Finn for a Bubbline Song and treats him like a weirdo. >When even Incendium, the common ep people use to defend Sugar treated him like a joke >Sugar also wrote Burning Low with PB trying to sabotage the relationship too. >Even the later episode where PB was shown to have experimented on PB was based in Sugars notes in Burning Low.
And while she didn't write it, we already had Too Young in S3 treating him like a joke but Sugar saying that Marcy were destined for each other irinically for the same reasons as Too Young said no. For the evil parts, we had Goliad & the above Burning Low (which she did write) in S4 when she went even harder into Bubbline shipping. Again all of this would be fine if it wasn't so hypocritically spiteful. >TL;DR
Finn shouldn't be with Bubblegum but Sugar constantly breaks and bends the story to force Bubbline, contradicting not only AT's plot but sometimes her own writing as shown with Burning Low. That's not just a double standard, it's the textbook definition of an immature and inadequate writer ruining a story for trashy tropes and borderline self-insert bullshit, doubly so since AT wasn't her show/story to begin with.
8 months ago
Anonymous
>>What Was Missing instead glosses over Finn for a Bubbline Song and treats him like a weirdo.
Never mind that he's the one who sings the song in the end and opens the door. >When even Incendium, the common ep people use to defend Sugar treated him like a joke
It treated his anguish pretty seriously. The song wasn't played for laughs. >Sugar also wrote Burning Low with PB trying to sabotage the relationship too.
Pretty sure the whole joke was that PB's intentions didn't have anything to do with personal jealousy. >For the evil parts, we had Goliad
She wasn't even deliberately made evil. >hypocritically spiteful.
You seem like one of the people way too personally invested into this and taking even innocent stuff from the early seasons to heart.
>Randomly trauma dumps in the middle of song
There is a house in New Orleans
They call the Rising Sun
And it's been the ruin of many a poor boy
And God, I know I'm one
My mother was a tailor
She sewed my new blue jeans
My father was a gamblin' man
Down in New Orleans
Now the only thing a gambler needs
Is a suitcase and a trunk
And the only time he's satisfied
Is when he's on a trump
Oh mother, tell your children
Not to do what I have done
Spend your lives in sin and misery.
In the House of the Rising Sun
>literally the same as the show ending but it's okay this time because women want him
Finncels are pathetic. Their entire self-worth hinges on being desired by women, whom they hate.
Judge Sugar all you want, but she's a far better creator than the critically acclaimed Lauren Faust. Because Sugar had full creative control, and didn't quit.
Not really. Future is her magnum opus and she truly had full creative control then it shitting the bed harder than horseshit & PPG both nu/old ever did is an embarrasment of both her showrunner & writer skills.
Typical dyke
"If you look closely, you can see the exact moment this show went to shit."
Many songs are trauma dumps anon.
Only in the modern era, back then songs didn't have trauma dumps.
Back when? 2011? Songs about trauma existed way before that. You didn't care because it had nothing to do with lesbians. Hell the fries song is a trauma dump too but no one here cares because it's not about lesbians.
Anything before 1945 is not modern, anything onwards is modern. Modern songs are just trauma dumps, unlike before it was a clear message.
A lot of songs don't even have a message and you're a moronic propagandist if you think every song needs one.
>A lot of songs don't even have a message
Yes, it did. Even the absurd ones like Yankee Doodle's message was an insult to the American Colonists, or many French revolutionary songs were intended to be propaganda. Even if we're discounting the political ones, most songs did have a message of either enjoying life like campfire songs. Not a random ass trauma dump in the middle.
>End of WW2
I'd put a distinction on it, the end of WW2 begins the end of the Old World ties, and into a new era of social and cultural change.
? The OP says random trauma dump. If your song is intended of the message of mourning then that's fine. But if your song is literally something else with a random ass trauma dump, then it reeks of the illness modernity
Did you even listen to the song or did you just come here to b***h? The entire song is consistent thematically, it's all about Marceline's problems with PB.
La-da-da-da-da
I'm gonna bury you in the ground
La-da-da-da-da
I'm gonna bury you with my sound
I'm gonna, drink the red
From your pretty pink face
[PB merely interrupts then Marceline trauma dumps]
It was a trauma dump. It was a teasing song against PB, until Marceline gets PTSD from their past relationship. From a teasing song to Bubblegum, and maybe even flirty to a trauma dump song. I wouldn't have any problems if the song was just Marceline teasing PB, but she trauma dumps.
So? This is pretty normal, especially for a song. Marceline wanted to express her frustration in a safe way by teasing but ended up escalating and spilling her real emotions.
Oh, the song is good, fitting for the character. The main point still is that Marceline just trauma dumps, as OP says.
Fitting for Marceline, but again I don't like trauma dumps, just stick to the main point of the song.
PB asked her to stop because she was teasing her about killing her then she plays victim about her being a controlling b***h in their past. It's not normal she just randomly started trauma dumping onto Finn and Jake.
Yeah, it's almost like Marceline has unresolved pent-up issues with PB and that's the point.
Which she forgets and junps back into PB's arms like the basic b***h she is. R&B, Blues, and other songs served as a reminder fo stay away from women like PB. Marcy was just being another whiny arthoe on Tumblr lke Sugar is IRL.
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>Which she forgets and junps back into PB's arms like the basic b***h she is.
It took PB several seasons to regain her trust.
Funny enough Marceline still comes at her in the last episode and PB has to swear she didn't do it.
Songs about wanting to kill your ex lover are not trauma dumps. It’s blues.
She was being playful until she got PTSD. It went from teasingly killing/eating her, to literally "This is why we broke up". Though it kinda like Jazz.
He's just here to b***h.
OP says trauma dump. I mention that Marceline's song is fitting, but nonetheless it turns a teasing song to a trauma dump. Again, stick to one message, and don't muddle it.
Those are absurdly flimsy goalposts, modernity means nothing, but the general consensus is that the modern age starts at the Industrial Revolution, not the end of WW2
First song in human history is a trauma dump about a gay king failing a resurrection quest for his cave man bara top. Lines are dedicated explicitly to how moths eat your penis in the after life. This is the big NO for the entire song.
You have been provably wrong this entire time. And your missing out on good music. Which is arguably worse.
>Gilgamesh was gay because he grieved over the loss of a friend
>Obviously only a queer would have a close relationship with another man
Please kys.
Jump off the nearest bridge
cartoons were better when they were written by racist baby boomers and not woke idiots.
>Trust fund art kids using a children's show to put their imaginary trauma on display for social clout
That's the part of Cal Arts shows that I really despise. Stop venting to children you creeps.
Hey homosexual, not everyone is a braindead loser who watches cartoons for escapism like you. Some people think it's interesting and refreshing to see something serious and personal tackled in a show like this. Though admittedly I never much related to whatever Sugar's problems were in particular, but there's nothing wrong with the principle.
Nobody cares, you fat troony.
>everyone who wants cartoons to be more substantial than Boss Baby is a troony
The absolute state of Cinemaphile. have a nice day.
There is no substance in rich kids whining through a cartoon character.
If there is conflict, there is substance. A character expressing their true anguish they don't normally show in a song is a textbook example of giving them depth. Sorry you're too moronic to even dare to think outside of your comfort zone labels for even a second.
This is the episode when AT start declining. Stop being about wacky adventures with bizarre solutions just to focus on feelings and being wholesome. Not to mention this episode started the whole Bubline shit, all thanks to Sugar for setting the first nail to end this show.
>Stop being about wacky adventures
No it doesn't
NTA but between the constant shipping bullshit Sugar forced into the show, PB's edgy pragmatism going hog wild but more sadgirl lesbian songs, both Sugar & Muto trying to replace Finn & Jake with PB & Marcy's DeviantART daddy issue dramabombs, and said bullshit culminating into the Fionna & Cake shitfest. What's the lie here?
PB doesn't sing sadgirl lesbian songs, and the majority of every season is not taken up by her and Marceline's relationship. Not to mention that Marceline's dad appears like 4 times in the show total.
>Nightosphere Eps
>PB eps constantly trying to wooby her bad actions because without "Muh Marcy" she's a sadgirl mess with Marcy singing songs about it (if you were confused again about that)
>They get back together in S2 with Nightosphere and just coast for the seasons onward.
And the daddy issues isn't just Hunsoon but also Simon/Ice King which was even worse. Again this was just Sugar writing another edgy deviantArt fanfic revisionism that killed the show with Bubbline and deepest lore trauma drama. It did ruin AT & killed the Adventure in Adventure Time just like it killed Steven Universe in S3+, Future, & The Movie. Same shit killed Fionna & Cake too since instead of Adventures, it just Adulting is Hard/Trauma Drama with Allegri & Muto.
>They get back together in S2 with Nightosphere and just coast for the seasons onward.
...what? This is just blatantly fase.
As for everything else, well, that sure is a lot of buzzwords to dismiss everything about those storylines and also ignore everything else about the show.
>Nightosphere Eps
Those episodes are about Finn and Marcy, it's literally just proto Hotel Transylvania. And I'm saying this as someone who doesn't even like Sugar's "dramatic" writing.
First Nightosphere ep (S2) was about her sadgirl daddy issues with Hunsoon that later also spilled over with Ice King/Simon while also trying to allegory said distance with PB. Season 3 kept at it with What Was Missing since Sugar kept patting herself on the back for a GLAAD award but messed up the message with Incendium since Finn is weird for the same things PB does with Marcy's T-Shirt. Again if PB & Marcy never got together that be fine but Sugar was practically forcing them together again when the same reasons Marcy shouldn't be with Ash, Finn, etc by Sugar's own writing was clear as day, especially after forcing it deeper with the S4 Nightosphere eps.
>Inb4 Finncel
Sugar kept playing apologencia for PB through Marcy when even by her writing they shouldn't of been together outside of her insessant shipping which ruined AT (and also SU too at points). Finn shouldn't be with Marcy or PB because they can't really both of them can't love or treat anyone like anything but a fling/tool.
>since Finn is weird for the same things PB does with Marcy's T-Shirt.
Because there was a chance for Marceline to reciprocate PB's feelings, while Finn needed to move on. You could say it's a double standard, but the show did treat both situations with sympathy and I'm pretty sure Sugar didn't intend for Finn to break up with FP later.
Also by the time Sugar was still involved, PB barely did anything immortal that we knew of, so there was little to play advocate for. And if anything Marceline was there to help redeem her, rather than make excuses for her.
>Treating both with sympathy
>What Was Missing instead glosses over Finn for a Bubbline Song and treats him like a weirdo.
>When even Incendium, the common ep people use to defend Sugar treated him like a joke
>Sugar also wrote Burning Low with PB trying to sabotage the relationship too.
>Even the later episode where PB was shown to have experimented on PB was based in Sugars notes in Burning Low.
And while she didn't write it, we already had Too Young in S3 treating him like a joke but Sugar saying that Marcy were destined for each other irinically for the same reasons as Too Young said no. For the evil parts, we had Goliad & the above Burning Low (which she did write) in S4 when she went even harder into Bubbline shipping. Again all of this would be fine if it wasn't so hypocritically spiteful.
>TL;DR
Finn shouldn't be with Bubblegum but Sugar constantly breaks and bends the story to force Bubbline, contradicting not only AT's plot but sometimes her own writing as shown with Burning Low. That's not just a double standard, it's the textbook definition of an immature and inadequate writer ruining a story for trashy tropes and borderline self-insert bullshit, doubly so since AT wasn't her show/story to begin with.
>>What Was Missing instead glosses over Finn for a Bubbline Song and treats him like a weirdo.
Never mind that he's the one who sings the song in the end and opens the door.
>When even Incendium, the common ep people use to defend Sugar treated him like a joke
It treated his anguish pretty seriously. The song wasn't played for laughs.
>Sugar also wrote Burning Low with PB trying to sabotage the relationship too.
Pretty sure the whole joke was that PB's intentions didn't have anything to do with personal jealousy.
>For the evil parts, we had Goliad
She wasn't even deliberately made evil.
>hypocritically spiteful.
You seem like one of the people way too personally invested into this and taking even innocent stuff from the early seasons to heart.
Have you always been such a fricking liar?
>Randomly trauma dumps in the middle of song
There is a house in New Orleans
They call the Rising Sun
And it's been the ruin of many a poor boy
And God, I know I'm one
My mother was a tailor
She sewed my new blue jeans
My father was a gamblin' man
Down in New Orleans
Now the only thing a gambler needs
Is a suitcase and a trunk
And the only time he's satisfied
Is when he's on a trump
Oh mother, tell your children
Not to do what I have done
Spend your lives in sin and misery.
In the House of the Rising Sun
God I want to tongue her butthole
Same. Marceline could ask me to eat the bugs straight out of her body and I would probably agree.
>"Hey Finn let's play some jams"
>"DAD WHY DON'T YOU LOVE ME I'M SO SAD PB IS A b***h OH YEAH"
>Storyboarded by Rebecca Sugar
This is like the only post that gets what op was talking about
to be fair she's supposed to be emotionally immature
A lot of songs are like that Anon. I know you're to autistic to understand this but people like to sing about their feelings.
This was the first episode of AT I ever watched, suffice to say I'm glad I never got into the show
It was a great episode and people liked it at the time. The hate for it is pure historical revisionism.
Do they still have some fun adventuring?
>literally the same as the show ending but it's okay this time because women want him
Finncels are pathetic. Their entire self-worth hinges on being desired by women, whom they hate.
I jist rewatched the Bunbun episode and noticed that FP has some amazing hips in that.
Mentally ill.
That Finn harem thing in the fandom was weird
Nah it's form when you have a relatable young male protagonist. Happens all the time in anime
How so, a lot of chicks dig him
Whomever invented the term "trauma dump" deserves to have its genitalia hit with a hammer.
Yep.
Sounds like you have autism OP.
Natasha and Hanna won, stay mad.
Honestly well written, this is typical dyke behavior.
Judge Sugar all you want, but she's a far better creator than the critically acclaimed Lauren Faust. Because Sugar had full creative control, and didn't quit.
Not really. Future is her magnum opus and she truly had full creative control then it shitting the bed harder than horseshit & PPG both nu/old ever did is an embarrasment of both her showrunner & writer skills.
>Burn my diary!
Marceline would probably think it's funny though.
It's been thirteen years, how are you guys still upset about this.
They have no life.
She's literally crying out for Finn's attention.
>trauma dumps
Ugh, zoomer phrases.
It seems the word trauma has lost all it's meaning these days.
Muto, Sugar, Hanna, and Natasha all wanted it. Sorry but the team just liked it.
Even Pen was down for it, but he just doesn't have a spine and probably went along with it out of peer pressure.
Fair, he wasn't one to voice himself enough.