>Season 1
9/10
Legitimate 80s Nostalgia Kino Incarnate.
Don't ever let contrarians tell you it isn't good. It's almost perfect. The ending is a bit cliché but then again so is the whole show so whatever.
>Season 2
7/10
Noticeable drop in quality. It's pretty clear they never planned for a second Season with the same cast. It's also a bit annoying that so much of the season is still following the same story beats as Season 1. Still though, the Halloween theme is top tier and the mind flayer is the goat antagonist for the series.
>Season 3
6/10
The first several episodes are better than Season 2 and when the show is at its best, it rivals Season 1. Unfortunately the last two episodes divebomb the show so far off a cliff until it literally becomes a bad marvel movie.
>Season 4
7/10
People are really overeating this Season imo. It never gets as bad as the worst of season 3 but it's still way too self-aware. Also the whole season is a highly apparent retcon forced together just so they can wrap things up in season 5. Episodes are also all way longer than they need to be.
Pretty much agreed. I’d say the subsequent seasons never get above 6.5 on average, but I rewatched season 1 and yes it is almost perfect. The only real drawback is that Will is somehow the best child actor in the cast and doesn’t really have a role
>Will is the best of the main 4 >Gets the least to do
He definitely nails what he gets, its a damn shame all of his dialogue is fricking terrible and he gets nothing to do.
One is pretty good.
Didn't watch the rest, felt like the story was done and that the first couple episodes of season 2 didn't add anything interesting.
Glad I dropped it when I did, because making the main villain a bipedal monster with a near human head was dumb as shit. Should've always been that big storm thingy or just the very nature of another dimension so incredibly hostile to life in our own.
they retconned it so it's just a revenge plot now and the big bad is just using the upside down to extract his revenge, rather than the upside down itself being the threat.
Basically it's Nightmare on Elm Street only instead of Fredsy being trapped inside a burning house he was trapped inside another dimension.
Am I the only person who interpreted Vecna finding the Mind Flayer as an alliance/dark pact a La Warlocks? Vecna doesn’t look like he actually enjoys having all those hentacles up his butt or appear totally in control
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Am I the only person who interpreted Vecna finding the Mind Flayer as an alliance/dark pact a La Warlocks? Vecna doesn’t look like he actually enjoys having all those hentacles up his butt or appear totally in control
Are you both fricking moronic? They literally show that Vecna made the mindflayer
>They literally show that Vecna made the mindflayer
false.
MF was already there as a hivemind that had the capability to control the entire realm. Henry just gave it a purpose.
they retconned it so it's just a revenge plot now and the big bad is just using the upside down to extract his revenge, rather than the upside down itself being the threat.
Basically it's Nightmare on Elm Street only instead of Fredsy being trapped inside a burning house he was trapped inside another dimension.
s1 was really good, s2 was similar to s1 but more dull, season 3 and 4 are completely different, they're more amalgamations of 80s movies made comfortable for 2022, they are about a vibe of fun and le spook and le cry (for women and 2020 le hero covid meme we are survivors just like u!). its easy to look past the cringe cuz its still a fun hypnotical vibe. that being said i will judge season 1 and 2 then 3 and 4,
1>>2
2 was too dirivative of 1 but more dull
4>3
the first half of 3 was better than all of season 4 but overall season 4 had better upside down adventures lore and villians, in season 3 evil billy being possessed made it lame cuz we were suppose to be scared of a husk or be scared of the random thing we know nothing about who is possessing him, basically 4 villian and lore and upaidedown better, season 3 was slightly better banter fun character moments but 4 edges out 3 because it was consistently good, and the fact that they shoved the shitty actors and characters in their own personal hell/pergatory in russia cali nevada, its like we got 4 upside downs season 3 was a rediculous Russian lab under a mall. basically the scooby doo thing should have gone slightly further i think but the question is which character was scooby
Yeah s3 started out better than 4 and then peeled off hard.
Season 4 is more consistant but damn if it doesn't feel like it was made for the Burlington bar GoT normies.
i agree, the biggest problem with season 4 is that they should have killed all the characters that were about to die, imagine a season 5 that's just mbb, her beta orbiter cuck crew and the annoying black girl, imagine how funny ppl would rage
Why are people still talking about this? Did israeliteflix release it on a weekly schedule this time? Usually people talk about Stranger Memes for like three days and everyone moves on with their lives
it's the most relevant show in the United States rn.
You don't have to like it, but asking "durrr why are people talking about it" is just being tone deaf
But as I clearly stated in the post, this does not usually happen. Especially on Cinemaphile. Why is this season more "relevant" than previous seasons?
a few reasons
1. they soft-retconned the lore to be easier to digest and understand. Understanding seasons 2 and 3 is now less necessary.
2. The splitting the season up into 2 "volumes" helped create artificial hype and keep discussion relevant for longer. For weeks one of the most popular things for zoomers to do has been to make Vecna Tiktoks.
3. The show successfully ticks all the boxes for creating a hypnotic addiction for NPCs (see pic related). They tried this with season 3 but didn't get the formula quite right. With Srason 4 they upped the """horror""" dosage just enough to make it work for most people (think It Chapter 1)
Basically it's the call of duty of TV where it has effectively found a way to cheat and provide just as much of a soiboi dopamine addiction to keep people hooked without doing anything truely daring (for reference, despite all the teasing, only 1 main character died this season, and they were a new character)
season 3 WAS comfy but essentially became TOO comfy by the end. There was literally a giant spider monster running around town and yet the show seemed content to make a gag out of it. The super forced Trump/Russia Collusion subplot also was cringe.
Episodes 1-5 were fine. But the end of the season really flew too close to the sun
>"It was me 11... this whole time... it was always me"
but what about the mind flayer? >"it works for me. When it said "you let us in, now you have to let us stay" that was actually me talking through it to you"
But this all started with the Demogorg in Season 1 >"Haha Wrong Again! This started 3 years before season 1! You see there were actually several psychic kids and they were all telekinetic and I was the first one and you were my favorite so I killed all the rest except for you"
That girl from season 2 also had a number though and her power wasn't telekinesis. Was she the only one that had a different power? >"Lol don't talk about her. Just forget about her"
Why don't I remember any of this? >"You uh... had amnesia? Yeah let's go with that"
But I remember things from before when your talking about. Like that other girl. I used to play with he- >"I said stop talking about her. We're ignoring her now"
The point is I remember things from before when you're talking about >"Ah you see you uh... well you only have amnesia for the specific events that are necessary for what I'm talking about right now"
>Mind Flayercel seething
it's not about being a fan of one villain or another. It's about an obvious retcon that they didn't plan for sticking out like a sore thumb
I’m annoyed that they retconned all of the “special” children to be Eleven clones. Regardless of what you thought of her execution, 008 demonstrated that the powers were more like X men (varied, unique) than like Jedi (everybody uses le force push). They completely abandoned that
Hate that israelitey looking kid
Hate that gay looking kid
Suprised by how much I enjoy the black kid this season
The redhead is the best actress out of the "kids"
Hopper is great
even if Season 4, at its best, was on par with season 1 (it isn't) it would still suffer immensely from being the worst edited season in the show by far.
Seriously, was anything at all left on the cutting room floor? Some of these episods are literal hours long and you can't convince me they can't be chopped down to like 65 minutes, if not more. Why do we need so many scenes of characters monologuing for minutes on end? Why do we need so many scenes of character C telling character A that they should get with character B? Why do we need an entire third of the season dedicated to having El get her powers back when we could have had them not be gone in the first place? Why do we need an entire third of the season dedicated to this rediculous Russia arc that wouldn't even need to exist at all if the writers had a fricking spine and could have just kept Hopper dead?
If you can look past all of that, then sure, you do you.
>Why do we need an entire third of the season dedicated to having El get her powers back when we could have had them not be gone in the first place?
imagine being mad that an arc is resolved.
You clearly never watched LOST back in the day. If you did, you would appreciate season 4 for showing that the series has a plan and a direction instead of leaving us with mystery box bullshit with no resolution. Thats why seasons 2 and 3 were so lame, we get no lore at all, just another nameless villain and a gate elle has to close. Just like season 1.
>You clearly never watched LOST back in the day. If you did, you would appreciate season 4 for showing that the series has a plan
I've probably watched LOST all the way through like 5 or 6 times and I've seen certain episodes many more times than that.
The Nina arc doesn't exist so El can get her powers back. It exists so the writers can draft up a bullshit retcon backstory for the new antag that was totally pulling the strings all along haha. It's the exact opposite of "having a plan all along". Since you referenced LOST, this would be like me defending Nikki and Paolo as being planned all along, or Walt growing too fast for the show to account for to the point where they have to ditch him being planned all along. >Season 4 is great
it has its moments. It's not "bad". But my point was that it has terrible editing and ad aresult feels more than twice as long as it should, which is kind of a rookie mistake when it comes to stuff like this. >you're just a gay
I'll admit I regret not fricking more women before I got engaged, but I'm certainly not a gay.
Yeah the Eleven stuff was torturously slow and boring. It doesn't help that MBB has somehow morphed into the worst actor on the show. Her heart really wasn't in this season
MBB has the easiest job in the show. All she has to do is act moronic and scream.
By contrast Will's actor might be the most talented of all the younger kids and that's a shame because they have had absolutely no idea what to do with him since season 2.
Keep in mind that he basically wasn't even in Season 1, he was just a plot device.
Meanwhile in Season 3 he was just someone who had a spider sense and did nothing else. Seriously, they must have shown that same shot of him touching the back of his neck like 20 times.
Then Season 4 he's just gay and that's the totality of his character.
Now with season 5 it's back to the spider sense.
Season 1 is excellent. Some of the best tv netflix has put out. Season 2 and 3 are more generic. Part 1 of season 4 was really good but I feel like Part 2 had worse writing. Overall a pretty good show. The characters are all pretty good
1 is leaps and bounds above anything else. How you rank the other three depends on how much you are personally bothered by their flaws: >Season 2
An uninspired repeat of Season 1 with an extremely boring subplot that I don't think anybody liked. >Season 3
literal capeshit tier scripting and unnecessary anti-Trump messaging for no reason. >Season 4
The writers are scrambling to make up new backstories that will allow them to bring the show to a close in the final season even if they contradict preexisting lore. Also, I hope you like pointless monologuing that extends the length of every episode unnecessarily.
Tinfoil hat dudes often become surprisingly good people when shit actually hits the fan and their crackpot theories are validated
It’s sort of a corollary to the “I was born in the wrong century” types, like if they actually got to travel to the century they fantasize about. Some people just weren’t cut out for the real world, but when everyone is forced into an upside down world, they shine
S1<S3<S2<S4<<<<<<<<my ass
1>2>4>3
1>2
This. Didn't watch anything past 2 never will. The show should've ended season 1.
1>4>3>2
>Season 1
9/10
Legitimate 80s Nostalgia Kino Incarnate.
Don't ever let contrarians tell you it isn't good. It's almost perfect. The ending is a bit cliché but then again so is the whole show so whatever.
>Season 2
7/10
Noticeable drop in quality. It's pretty clear they never planned for a second Season with the same cast. It's also a bit annoying that so much of the season is still following the same story beats as Season 1. Still though, the Halloween theme is top tier and the mind flayer is the goat antagonist for the series.
>Season 3
6/10
The first several episodes are better than Season 2 and when the show is at its best, it rivals Season 1. Unfortunately the last two episodes divebomb the show so far off a cliff until it literally becomes a bad marvel movie.
>Season 4
7/10
People are really overeating this Season imo. It never gets as bad as the worst of season 3 but it's still way too self-aware. Also the whole season is a highly apparent retcon forced together just so they can wrap things up in season 5. Episodes are also all way longer than they need to be.
Good opinions. I'd probably drop a half point off of S2 and S3.
You obviously must be a big fan of the show cause there’s no way season 1 or any season is 9/10
Pretty much agreed. I’d say the subsequent seasons never get above 6.5 on average, but I rewatched season 1 and yes it is almost perfect. The only real drawback is that Will is somehow the best child actor in the cast and doesn’t really have a role
>Will is the best of the main 4
>Gets the least to do
He definitely nails what he gets, its a damn shame all of his dialogue is fricking terrible and he gets nothing to do.
One is pretty good.
Didn't watch the rest, felt like the story was done and that the first couple episodes of season 2 didn't add anything interesting.
Glad I dropped it when I did, because making the main villain a bipedal monster with a near human head was dumb as shit. Should've always been that big storm thingy or just the very nature of another dimension so incredibly hostile to life in our own.
I'm hoping the mind flayer turns on Vecna in season 5, but yeah, agreed
Am I the only person who interpreted Vecna finding the Mind Flayer as an alliance/dark pact a La Warlocks? Vecna doesn’t look like he actually enjoys having all those hentacles up his butt or appear totally in control
they kept it vague enough that they could go that route if they wanted to
Are you both fricking moronic? They literally show that Vecna made the mindflayer
The outstretched hand looks more like communing with than creating. Vecna is somewhat of an unreliable narrator to begin with
>They literally show that Vecna made the mindflayer
false.
MF was already there as a hivemind that had the capability to control the entire realm. Henry just gave it a purpose.
they retconned it so it's just a revenge plot now and the big bad is just using the upside down to extract his revenge, rather than the upside down itself being the threat.
Basically it's Nightmare on Elm Street only instead of Fredsy being trapped inside a burning house he was trapped inside another dimension.
so it's not even an other worlder, it's some dude who got stuck in the upsidedown?
just when i thought it was as bad as it could be, it gets worse
1 > didn't bother watching the rest
S1 > S4 > S3 > S2
s1 was really good, s2 was similar to s1 but more dull, season 3 and 4 are completely different, they're more amalgamations of 80s movies made comfortable for 2022, they are about a vibe of fun and le spook and le cry (for women and 2020 le hero covid meme we are survivors just like u!). its easy to look past the cringe cuz its still a fun hypnotical vibe. that being said i will judge season 1 and 2 then 3 and 4,
1>>2
2 was too dirivative of 1 but more dull
4>3
the first half of 3 was better than all of season 4 but overall season 4 had better upside down adventures lore and villians, in season 3 evil billy being possessed made it lame cuz we were suppose to be scared of a husk or be scared of the random thing we know nothing about who is possessing him, basically 4 villian and lore and upaidedown better, season 3 was slightly better banter fun character moments but 4 edges out 3 because it was consistently good, and the fact that they shoved the shitty actors and characters in their own personal hell/pergatory in russia cali nevada, its like we got 4 upside downs season 3 was a rediculous Russian lab under a mall. basically the scooby doo thing should have gone slightly further i think but the question is which character was scooby
this guy is spot on
Yeah s3 started out better than 4 and then peeled off hard.
Season 4 is more consistant but damn if it doesn't feel like it was made for the Burlington bar GoT normies.
>vibe
yes that is what they're going for
Season 4 should have killed off everybody except Eddie and Argale.
Season 5 should be about them facing the upside down together and winning
i agree, the biggest problem with season 4 is that they should have killed all the characters that were about to die, imagine a season 5 that's just mbb, her beta orbiter cuck crew and the annoying black girl, imagine how funny ppl would rage
>Season 4 should have killed off everybody except Eddie and Argale
KINO
Why are people still talking about this? Did israeliteflix release it on a weekly schedule this time? Usually people talk about Stranger Memes for like three days and everyone moves on with their lives
it's the most relevant show in the United States rn.
You don't have to like it, but asking "durrr why are people talking about it" is just being tone deaf
But as I clearly stated in the post, this does not usually happen. Especially on Cinemaphile. Why is this season more "relevant" than previous seasons?
it was successfully marketed and people didn't hate the ending this time
for some reason this show is a "guilty pleasure" show because its made for teenage girls.
a few reasons
1. they soft-retconned the lore to be easier to digest and understand. Understanding seasons 2 and 3 is now less necessary.
2. The splitting the season up into 2 "volumes" helped create artificial hype and keep discussion relevant for longer. For weeks one of the most popular things for zoomers to do has been to make Vecna Tiktoks.
3. The show successfully ticks all the boxes for creating a hypnotic addiction for NPCs (see pic related). They tried this with season 3 but didn't get the formula quite right. With Srason 4 they upped the """horror""" dosage just enough to make it work for most people (think It Chapter 1)
Basically it's the call of duty of TV where it has effectively found a way to cheat and provide just as much of a soiboi dopamine addiction to keep people hooked without doing anything truely daring (for reference, despite all the teasing, only 1 main character died this season, and they were a new character)
Ngers gonna ng
>winners gonna win
1 > 3a > 2 = 4 > 3b
1 >2 > didn't watch > didn't watch > not going to watch
Why do you guys hate the 3rd season so much? It was comfy.
season 3 WAS comfy but essentially became TOO comfy by the end. There was literally a giant spider monster running around town and yet the show seemed content to make a gag out of it. The super forced Trump/Russia Collusion subplot also was cringe.
Episodes 1-5 were fine. But the end of the season really flew too close to the sun
wow they really didn't even try to be subtle with the sign
>1>4>3>2
That ugly shitskin really drags down S2
>"It was me 11... this whole time... it was always me"
but what about the mind flayer?
>"it works for me. When it said "you let us in, now you have to let us stay" that was actually me talking through it to you"
But this all started with the Demogorg in Season 1
>"Haha Wrong Again! This started 3 years before season 1! You see there were actually several psychic kids and they were all telekinetic and I was the first one and you were my favorite so I killed all the rest except for you"
That girl from season 2 also had a number though and her power wasn't telekinesis. Was she the only one that had a different power?
>"Lol don't talk about her. Just forget about her"
Why don't I remember any of this?
>"You uh... had amnesia? Yeah let's go with that"
But I remember things from before when your talking about. Like that other girl. I used to play with he-
>"I said stop talking about her. We're ignoring her now"
The point is I remember things from before when you're talking about
>"Ah you see you uh... well you only have amnesia for the specific events that are necessary for what I'm talking about right now"
See how dumb this is?
Mind Flayercel seething
>Mind Flayercel seething
it's not about being a fan of one villain or another. It's about an obvious retcon that they didn't plan for sticking out like a sore thumb
I’m annoyed that they retconned all of the “special” children to be Eleven clones. Regardless of what you thought of her execution, 008 demonstrated that the powers were more like X men (varied, unique) than like Jedi (everybody uses le force push). They completely abandoned that
it's the biggest tell that they didn't have this planned at all
S1 is the best
S4 could be the best but the season finale stinks
S3 and S2 sucks
Hate that israelitey looking kid
Hate that gay looking kid
Suprised by how much I enjoy the black kid this season
The redhead is the best actress out of the "kids"
Hopper is great
>It was me all along, El. It's always been me. The author of all your pain.
4>1>3>2
people only pretend to hate 4 to be contrarian. It's the peak.
it's too onions to be the peak
2 and 3 were just watered down repeats of 1
even if Season 4, at its best, was on par with season 1 (it isn't) it would still suffer immensely from being the worst edited season in the show by far.
Seriously, was anything at all left on the cutting room floor? Some of these episods are literal hours long and you can't convince me they can't be chopped down to like 65 minutes, if not more. Why do we need so many scenes of characters monologuing for minutes on end? Why do we need so many scenes of character C telling character A that they should get with character B? Why do we need an entire third of the season dedicated to having El get her powers back when we could have had them not be gone in the first place? Why do we need an entire third of the season dedicated to this rediculous Russia arc that wouldn't even need to exist at all if the writers had a fricking spine and could have just kept Hopper dead?
If you can look past all of that, then sure, you do you.
>Why do we need an entire third of the season dedicated to having El get her powers back when we could have had them not be gone in the first place?
imagine being mad that an arc is resolved.
You clearly never watched LOST back in the day. If you did, you would appreciate season 4 for showing that the series has a plan and a direction instead of leaving us with mystery box bullshit with no resolution. Thats why seasons 2 and 3 were so lame, we get no lore at all, just another nameless villain and a gate elle has to close. Just like season 1.
4 is great, youre just a gay.
>You clearly never watched LOST back in the day. If you did, you would appreciate season 4 for showing that the series has a plan
I've probably watched LOST all the way through like 5 or 6 times and I've seen certain episodes many more times than that.
The Nina arc doesn't exist so El can get her powers back. It exists so the writers can draft up a bullshit retcon backstory for the new antag that was totally pulling the strings all along haha. It's the exact opposite of "having a plan all along". Since you referenced LOST, this would be like me defending Nikki and Paolo as being planned all along, or Walt growing too fast for the show to account for to the point where they have to ditch him being planned all along.
>Season 4 is great
it has its moments. It's not "bad". But my point was that it has terrible editing and ad aresult feels more than twice as long as it should, which is kind of a rookie mistake when it comes to stuff like this.
>you're just a gay
I'll admit I regret not fricking more women before I got engaged, but I'm certainly not a gay.
Yeah the Eleven stuff was torturously slow and boring. It doesn't help that MBB has somehow morphed into the worst actor on the show. Her heart really wasn't in this season
MBB has the easiest job in the show. All she has to do is act moronic and scream.
By contrast Will's actor might be the most talented of all the younger kids and that's a shame because they have had absolutely no idea what to do with him since season 2.
Keep in mind that he basically wasn't even in Season 1, he was just a plot device.
Meanwhile in Season 3 he was just someone who had a spider sense and did nothing else. Seriously, they must have shown that same shot of him touching the back of his neck like 20 times.
Then Season 4 he's just gay and that's the totality of his character.
Now with season 5 it's back to the spider sense.
1423
from best to worst
1- Season 2
2- Season 3
3- Season 4
4- Season 1
1>3/4>2
Also Steve and Dustin are bros.
Season 1 is excellent. Some of the best tv netflix has put out. Season 2 and 3 are more generic. Part 1 of season 4 was really good but I feel like Part 2 had worse writing. Overall a pretty good show. The characters are all pretty good
1 > 3 > 4 > 2
90%
70%
60%
50%
1>4>2=3
Anyone else thought season 1 was the worst? Not a lot happened and nothing was explained
The first season was probably the most typical.
No. Go away moron
1 >>> 2/3/4
1 is leaps and bounds above anything else. How you rank the other three depends on how much you are personally bothered by their flaws:
>Season 2
An uninspired repeat of Season 1 with an extremely boring subplot that I don't think anybody liked.
>Season 3
literal capeshit tier scripting and unnecessary anti-Trump messaging for no reason.
>Season 4
The writers are scrambling to make up new backstories that will allow them to bring the show to a close in the final season even if they contradict preexisting lore. Also, I hope you like pointless monologuing that extends the length of every episode unnecessarily.
1 > 3 > 2 > 4
1 - 9/10
4 - 8/10
3 - 7.5/10
2 - 6.5/10
7.5/10 season 1
7/10 season 4
6/10 season 2 and 3
>turned him from schizo anti-communist who was somewhat on the right track to a wacky comedy haha man
for what purpose?
Because schizos are funny so this is the logical next step.
Tinfoil hat dudes often become surprisingly good people when shit actually hits the fan and their crackpot theories are validated
It’s sort of a corollary to the “I was born in the wrong century” types, like if they actually got to travel to the century they fantasize about. Some people just weren’t cut out for the real world, but when everyone is forced into an upside down world, they shine
idk man Murray was actually kinda based in this season imo
S3 > S4 > S1 = S2 first seasons suck, don't @ me